Re: How far will the GOP go to win? How dirty will they GO?
Lucile Wilson
>> No way, the record shows he served in the Guard at that time.
>
>really, that's not what the record says. Couple of gaps there. And why did
>Bush quit flying?
They knew he was a drunk and they didn't want him crashing a plane. Too bad he
didn't with himself in it.
Republicans are like the blind leading the blind!
Lucile Wilson
>This time around, many of us are NOT going to be "tolerant" of traitors in
>our midst.
>
>
You are full of crapola. This time around, there may be even more traitors as
you call them that will be against this war. One never knows.
Lucile Wilson
>How was he a traitor? Once again it sure is interesting. Kerry was a
>decorated war hero despite what you contemptible and dispicable
>right-wingers say. Bush on the other hand avoided combat. So who do
>you so called 'patriotic' right-wingers bash? You bash Kerry instead
>of Bush. What a bunch of hypocrites.
>
>>
>> >
>> > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
>>
>> Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become violent if we
>> lose.
>
>violent? What are you talking about? Do you remember the 2000
>election and Delay bringing in those out of state repubs to violently
>shutdown that recount?
>Right-wingers = violence
Republicans are at a disadvantage...they have no common sense. They have no
morals.
Lucile Wilson
>think thats the only qualification for Presidetn necessary, even though he
>was outraged that Vietnam was an issue when Clinton was running in 1992.
>Another Kerry Flip Flop.
Not...its the Refucklicans that are doing that. It goes on on Fux News daily.
George
"Lucile Wilson " <msl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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But Republicans and conservative know that Kerry *is* a traitor and have
proven it here.
> Republicans are like the blind leading the blind!
But Republican and conservatives are SHOWING the world the light of the
truth.
KERRY LIED AND US POWS DIED!
George
> >
> >This time around, many of us are NOT going to be "tolerant" of traitors
in
> >our midst.
> >
> >
>
> You are full of crapola.
You *eat* crapola, Lucy.
>This time around, there may be even more traitors as
> you call them that will be against this war. One never knows.
Not according to the polls, traitor.
> Republicans are like the blind leading the blind!
But Republicans and conservatives *ARE* going to beat Kerry in November.
Thumper
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>gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
>news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>
>> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
>> very divisive vietnam war...
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> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's been
>unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
>listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP for
>making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>
>> ....even though you would think, if when it was
>> Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
>> possible to get out of the war.
>
> No, he didn't. He volunteered for the NG. Are you saying NG people are
>draft dodgers or just cowards?
>
>> Another chickenhawk? So what have
>> they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
>> deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
>
> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone the
>severity of his wounds?
Because it's irrelevant and he has already seen what the GOP did to
triple amputee Max Cleland. If Republicans could go after Cleland and
say that he doesn't deserve his awards then what is the point?
Thumper
Mark Mathu
news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com...
> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> possible to get out of the war.
No way, the record shows he served in the Guard at that time.
George
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
> no character flaws).
>
> Then there is the recent scandal that looks as if republicans may have
> illegally taped into democratic files.
> http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
>
> Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try and do is
> try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
Nah!
Us Kerry-haters are simply going to expose his leftwing, traitor-fuck,
Senate and anti-war activist record.
David Galehouse
"George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
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Nah, you'll probably just go another 8-year witch hunt on the American tax
payers dime, like you did last time. You people are sickening.
George
"David Galehouse" <David.A....@lexis-nexis.com> wrote in message
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You mean we'll open an "alt.impeach.kerry" newsgroup, the way you assholes
did for Bush in December, 2000, don't you? And we'll begin an incessent
drumbeat of "hate-kerry" speech here, the way you dicks did against Bush?
And we'll start up -- hmm, let's call it -- the
"non-democraticunderground.com" and "non-democrats.com" and "PissOn.org" to
begin a coordinated effort to DESTROY Traitor Johnny Kerry the way YOU
cocksuckers tried to do against Bush? We can create videos that morph
Traitor Johnny into Hitler -- or maybe even Pol Pot. And we can alert our
supporters that Kerry Fascists are trying to "attack us" -- the way you
fucker did when WE complained about the Hitler-to-Bush "ads" your whores ran
on their web site.
We'll start demanding, on January 20, 2005, that Republican House members
begin IMMEDIATE impeachment hearings against President Kerry -- the way YOU
fuckwads did against President Bush. Oh, and Traitor Johnny *won't* be
"our" President in exactly the same way the Bush isn't "yours." In fact,
he'll CONTINUE to be the subject of derision and ridicule -- for he "french
looks," his Botox face, and his ugly bitch of a wife -- the way YOU do
towards Bush and his wife.
Say. Does Traitor Johnny have daughters we can attack, the way YOU
rat-bastards attacked Bush's kids? After all, we can keep the "destroy the
children of enemy politicians" thing going for maybe the next 50 years if we
do it correctly.
However, if Bush is reelected you can cheer up. Well kind of. Okay, truth
be told, *we* will cheer up, not you. Because, we will take exactly the
same tact that I mentioned above anyway -- because YOU dicksuckers won't
stop YOUR attacks of Bush if he is reelected. In fact, you'll almost
certainly go ballistic and become violent.
Then, we'll borrow a page from Phil Gramms book and "hunt yhou Democrats
down with dogs."
So, better to stop you with the same invective you've been giving us for the
last 4 years than allow your think you can get away with a violent, armed,
revolution.
>You people are sickening.
Personally, I won't cry if you get "sick unto death" of us, pig. Have your
next of kin post the address for flowers.....
Now be a good boy and piss off.
Jefferson Brady
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>
>"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
>> very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
>> Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
>> possible to get out of the war. Another chickenhawk? So what have
>> they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
>> deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
>> Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its not
>> about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
>> no character flaws).
>>
>> Then there is the recent scandal that looks as if republicans may have
>> illegally taped into democratic files.
>> http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
>>
>> Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try and do is
>> try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
>
>Nah!
>
>Us Kerry-haters are simply going to expose his leftwing, traitor-fuck,
>Senate and anti-war activist record.
>
Being anti-war is being a traitor? You are one ridiculous little fuck.
>>
>> Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
>
>Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become violent if we
>lose.
>
The Democrats became violent? Guess you're not familiar with the
busloads of thugs the repugs bussed into Florida to disrupt the vote
counting.
pkgojak
> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com...
> > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> > very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> > possible to get out of the war. Another chickenhawk? So what have
> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> > Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its not
> > about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
> > no character flaws).
> >
> > Then there is the recent scandal that looks as if republicans may have
> > illegally taped into democratic files.
> > http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
> >
> > Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try and do is
> > try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
>
> Nah!
>
> Us Kerry-haters are simply going to expose his leftwing, traitor-fuck,
> Senate and anti-war activist record.
Why not start here, now George? Put your cites here------------>
Chickenshit.
>
> >
> > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
>
> Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become violent if
we
> lose.
Good thing. Cuz , you're gonna lose.
>
>
Bradley K. Sherman
George <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:
>
>Or as David Horowitz put it:
>
>"If I have one regret from my radical years, it is that this country was too
>tolerant toward the treason of its enemies within. If patriotic Americans
Well, it might have been nice if flip-flop Horowitz had been
put away as we wouldn't have to listen to his hypocritical
rants today. But he was right when he criticized the murder
of two million Vietnamese and he is wrong today as he tries
to stifle dissent towards an illegal war. Of course he is
very well paid for his current position whereas he was
virtually unpaid in the 60's, so his preference for being
a pimp for Bush is easy to understand.
--bks
David Galehouse
My, my, George, you are a thorough idiot, aren't you. There's a world of
difference between what you anti-American pukes did during the 90's and the
cries for Bush's impeachment that started in 2000. Of course, you're a
conservative which means you're incapable of rational thought that leads to
anything beyond concepts black & white. Of course you think these activities
are equivalent, thus proving once again what an idiot you are!
Here are a couple of major differences, although I'm sure they'll be lost on
your simple brain:
1) The attacks on Clinton were an orchestrated witch hunt bankrolled by
Scaife and was designed to find something -- anything -- on Clinton in order
to discredit him. In the end, all they had was an embarrassing personal
matter that he was entrapped into lying about. Big fucking deal to all of
us, who are not voyeuristic, moralistic, hypocritical, sanctimonious
asswipes like yourself.
2) Bush was elected under very unusual circumstances and whether you think
it was fair or not, everyone should be able understand that the election was
by far the most controversial election in American history and it's only
natural that there would be a large degree of contentiousness under these
circumstances. Now, add to this fact, that we have the Plame deal, we have
the distortion of facts leading up to a war, we had 9/11 and a great deal of
perception out there that the president and his administration were, at the
very least negligent on the threats of terrorism leading up to 9/11. Throw
in all of the whistle blowers who have been critical of what's been going on
in the white house, Throw in the odd circumstances concerning Cheney's
Energy Commission and any number of other issues with the WH concerning
potential ethics violations and it's no wonder there are so many cries for
the impeachment of Bush.
You guys set the tone all throughout the 90's and the situation is much
different now (there are substantive questions of legality and ethics
involving Bush & Co.) and you expect the left to be quiet? What name have
you given the fantasy land you live in? GeorgeLand?
You guys WILL start a new witch hunt on Kerry, but you're going to be
surprised because your president has done (and continues to do) so much that
will discredit the Neocon movement in this country that the public will be
fed up with your dirty games and bullshit and will tell you all to go
straight to hell. You morons are finished.
Now, you be a good boy and piss off. You're nothing.
David Galehouse
"Filthy Rich Scumbag John F*ing Kerry" <Want a Ride in my Fleet of SUV's
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>
> "Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com...
> > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> > very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> > possible to get out of the war. Another chickenhawk? So what have
> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> > Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its not
> > about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
> > no character flaws).
> >
>
> Kerry is the one injecting vietnam everyday in the campaign. He wants us
to
> think thats the only qualification for Presidetn necessary, even though he
> was outraged that Vietnam was an issue when Clinton was running in 1992.
> Another Kerry Flip Flop.
>
>
Dumbass. He's only bringing it up to defend himself against the chicken-shit
charges being made by the chicken-shit right.
By the way, your handle seems to be espousing the views held my communists
with regards to the wealthy. How long have you been a communist?
Larry Richmond
"Andy Weaks" <awb...@labyrinth.net> wrote in message
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> Bush quit flying?
>
I think it was because the Texas National Guard didn't have much to worry
about when it came to Mexico and North Vietnam becoming allies. Who knows?
They may have considered it, but I doubt it was a big deal.
OrionCA
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
>OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
>very divisive vietnam war
It's Kerry who brings up Vietnam in every speech. It's Kerry who has
talked incessantly about his "band of brothers"; the ones he bugged
out on after 3 minor wounds. Pointing out the truth about how Kerry
REALLY feels about his "band of brothers" is fair game.
If you don't like it you shouldn't have nominated someone who had
bragged on video about all the atrocities he committed in Vietnam.
--
From 1984 to present Kerry has maintained that he
"Never implied he threw away his own medals" during
a war protest in 1971.
"I gave back, I can't remember, 6, 7, 8, 9 medals,"
Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C.
news program on WRC-TV's called Viewpoints on
November 6, 1971.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Investigation/kerry_vietnam_medals_040425.html
Mr. N
"Mark Mathu" <ma...@mathu.com> wrote in message
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> No way, the record shows he served in the Guard at that time.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/04/27/bush_guard/index.html
Bush's flight from the Guard
Why was he abruptly grounded from flying? Why did he leave the Texas Guard
two years early? A key report answering those questions is still missing
from George W. Bush's records.
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By James C. Moore
April 27, 2004 | The story keeps changing. And regardless of what the
White House says about George W. Bush and his time in the Texas Air National
Guard, journalists tend to accept the explanation. I can't. The president of
the United States is lying to hide his behavior while he was a young pilot
during the Vietnam War, and he has almost taken away reporters' ability to
get the whole story. Unfortunately, the national media have other
distractions, and they apparently don't think the Guard story is important
enough to warrant additional effort. I think they are wrong.
The president's behavior while under oath to serve in the military is an
important matter. By George W. Bush's own admission, there were at least
eight months in 1972 when he was not performing assigned Guard duty. What if
today's Guard members behaved as irresponsibly as Bush did during his hitch?
Where would our war on terrorism be if they all acted as capriciously as he
did and they took off to go do something else while they were still under
oath to serve? That's what the records prove George W. Bush did. Aren't
there young Americans in Iraq, who have been called to active duty in a war
zone, who would rather be in Alabama?
The president and his staff are doing a very good job of convincing the
public he has released all of his National Guard records and that they prove
he was responsible during his time in Alabama and Texas. But the critical
documents have still not been seen. The mandatory written report about
Bush's grounding is mysteriously not in the released file, nor is any other
disciplinary evidence. A document showing a "roll-up," or the accumulation
of his total retirement points, is also absent, and so are his actual pay
stubs. If the president truly wanted to end the conjecture about his time in
the Guard, he would allow an examination of his pay stubs and any IRS W-2
forms from his Guard years. These can be pieced together to determine when
he was paid and whether he earned enough to have met his sworn obligations.
The narrative trail of the president's time in the Guard isn't easy to
follow, and I have been pursuing it since Bush ran for governor of Texas in
1994. When he began planning his race for the presidency, a few journalists
filed Freedom of Information requests for Bush's retained records at the
Texas National Guard Headquarters at Camp Mabry in Austin. The file they
received contained 160 pages. Dan Bartlett, now the White House
communications director, who was working for the campaign at that time, said
that represented the entirety of the record. However, when the Bush
administration provided White House reporters with the "complete" file in
the dead-news zone of a Friday night in early February, there were about 400
pages. Two hundred forty pages, unavailable to us during the presidential
campaign, had suddenly been discovered. Nonetheless, the most important
documents were still missing. Reporters just didn't know what was absent.
In April of 1972, the young lieutenant made a unilateral decision that he
was no longer going to fly. Although he had taken an oath to serve for six
years in his privileged position in the Texas Air Guard, George W. Bush left
for Alabama two years before his hitch was up. Taxpayers had spent close to
a million dollars training him to fly a fighter jet, but he was intent on
working in a U.S. senate campaign. Bush's Guard file shows that he did not
request a transfer until a few months later, and it was turned down. Bush,
who was due to report to his Houston air base for a physical on or before
his July 6 birthday, failed to return from Alabama. He was subsequently
grounded on orders from Maj. Gen. Francis Greenlief. And this is where the
mystery begins.
Taking away a pilot's wings was not a minor decision. During the course of
investigating this matter over the past decade, I was told by numerous Guard
sources that pilots simply did not skip their physicals for any reason. Bush
may have thought this was a good strategy for getting out of his obligation
to the Guard. However, there had to be an investigation into his grounding.
Normally, a formal board of inquiry would have been convened to examine the
pilot's failure to keep his physical status current. At a minimum, a
commanding officer would have been expected to write a narrative report on
why one of his pilots had been taken off the flight duty roster. Either that
report, or the findings of the board of inquiry, would then be sent to the
Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver and to the Texas Guard headquarters
in Austin. A pilot simply did not walk away from all of that training with
two years remaining on his tour of duty without a formal explanation as to
what happened and why. This narrative report is the document the public has
never seen and the Bush White House is unlikely to ever release.
Disciplinary action taken against Bush ought to be a part of his personnel
record. No such files have ever been disclosed.
When the Bush campaign began pressuring Sen. John Kerry to release his
complete military file, Bartlett spoke as though Bush were occupying the
moral high ground on the issue. "The president made a pledge before the
American people, and he made his complete file available to the media and
the public," Bartlett told the Boston Globe. "They were able to review all
of his medical records." Bartlett, who acted as liaison between Gov. Bush's
administration and the Texas Guard, has insisted all of the president's
service points documents, performance sheets, and any existing records have
been made public. This is, of course, patently not true. There is nothing
that offers a report of disciplinary action against the young pilot, nor has
anyone seen pay stubs or a total retirement-points sheet.
And there are simple explanations as to why those documents disappeared. If
the materials were ever provided to reporters, it would be an uncomplicated
exercise to determine whether Bush served enough time to have met his legal
obligation. We would also learn if his grounding was a product of
inappropriate behavior for an officer, and if, in fact, the rumors of
excessive use of alcohol and drugs played a role in his loss of flight
status.
Unlike lawyers, journalists pay little attention to concepts like chain of
custody for evidence. In the case of the president's Guard records, whoever
possessed them and had the motive and opportunity to clean them up is a
critical question. When Bush left the Guard about a half year early to
attend Harvard Business School, his hard-copy record was retained in a
military personnel records jacket at the Austin offices of the Texas Guard.
Eventually, those documents were committed to microfiche. A copy of the
microfiche was then sent to the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver and
the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. Those records are
considered private, and they cannot be released to anyone without the
signature of the serviceman or woman. The White House has never indicated
that Bush has signed the authorization form. And this is what prompts
unending suspicion.
The documents given to Washington reporters were printed from one of those
two microfiches. According to two separate sources within the Guard who saw
the printout and spoke with me, the microfiche was shipped to the office of
Maj. Gen. Danny James, commander of the Air National Guard Bureau in
Arlington, Va. James' staff printed out all of the documents on the film and
then, according to those same sources, James vetted the material. Subsequent
to being scrutinized by James (who commanded the Texas Guard and was
promoted to Washington by Bush,) the records were then sent to the White
House for further scrutiny prior to release to the news media.
This is a considerably different process from what was practiced by Sen.
John McCain during the 2000 presidential campaign. McCain, who spent several
years in solitary confinement during the Vietnam War, was the target of a
whispering campaign during the South Carolina primary. Political reporters,
who suspected the story originated with Bush political strategist Karl Rove,
were being told by third parties that McCain had mental problems that made
him a presidential risk. McCain signed a release form, and his entire
record, a stack of papers more than a foot tall, was made available to
reporters without being vetted by the campaign. The allegations about his
mental health died shortly after McCain authorized full disclosure.
The Bush administration is playing semantic games with the public regarding
the president's Guard files. While Bartlett insists they have been released,
there is no proof that Bush has even signed a release-authorization form.
The limited release of those 400 pages may have been over his signature.
However, the White House is clearly deciding what papers to share and what
to keep private. No one has ever seen proof that the president did sign the
necessary release forms, and officials at the Denver and St. Louis records
centers are no longer commenting. If the president did write his name on the
necessary forms, why not share that with the public? It would be a positive
indication that he was in favor of the flow of information about his Guard
years, and it could be expected to have a positive political effect.
Even if Bush had cleared the public viewing of his entire file, he ought not
to have shipped it to James for printing and examination. According to Lt.
Col. Bill Burkett, who was a strategic planning officer for the Texas
National Guard during Bush's gubernatorial administration, James ordered a
cleanup of the Bush Guard files in 1997. Burkett said he was waiting outside
James' office when he heard a speakerphone conversation between the
commander of the Texas Guard and Joe Allbaugh, Bush's chief of staff in
Texas. Recounting the conversation, Burkett said he heard Allbaugh tell
James to "clean up the governor's files and remove any embarrassments in
case he wants to run for reelection or something higher."
"Karen [Hughes] and Danny [Bartlett] are going to be coming out to take a
look at this file," Allbaugh said. "They're going to write a book."
In a telephone conversation with me late last year, James denied the
conversation ever occurred. Burkett, nonetheless, said James repeated the
orders the next morning around the coffee machine while Burkett, James and
two other officers were having a conversation. I leaked Burkett's story to
the national media shortly after filmmaker Michael Moore described the
president as a "deserter" and set off a furor. White House reporters
suddenly began asking questions and the Bush administration was compelled to
respond. Allbaugh went on NBC News with correspondent Norah O'Donnell and
called Burkett "some goober from West Texas."
But Burkett's story fits with what we know.
About 10 days after he overheard the conversation, Burkett said he was led
to the museum on Camp Mabry by an old friend, Chief Warrant Officer George
Conn. According to Burkett, he and Conn came upon Gen. John Scribner, who
was standing next to a 10-gallon gun-metal-gray wastebasket. Scribner had
the military personnel records jacket of George W. Bush open in front of him
and was sorting through papers it contained.
"What are you doing?" Conn is said to have asked.
"Just going through this," Burkett recalled Scribner answering. "It looks
like they are going to have to reconstruct this out of Denver."
In Burkett's recollection of this meeting, Conn took Scribner aside to talk
and Burkett went through papers that had been placed in the trash. He said
he saw critical documents, such as retirement and cumulative-points records,
being discarded. He was unable to determine if the report on Bush's
grounding was in the trash.
Scribner, who is now retired, refused to take questions from me. However,
when the story broke nationally, he denied the incident.
"I have no memory of anything like that taking place," he said.
Burkett, though, had already taken up his claims about the Bush file
cleansing in official channels, and there was earlier evidence to
corroborate his claims. He had written a letter to Texas State Sen. Gonzalo
Barrientos, and, in testimony before legislators, spoke of numerous
irregularities in the Texas National Guard. But no one wanted to hear it.
The hometown boy, George W. Bush, was running for president, and everyone
was getting on the bus.
A few years later, Dave Moniz of USA Today spoke with Burkett about
allegations that the lieutenant colonel had witnessed a senior official at
the Guard removing documents from Bush's military personnel records jacket.
Burkett again said the papers bearing Bush's name were being dropped into a
wastebasket. Conn, in interviews with Moniz, confirmed Burkett's description
of events for the paper. For whatever reason, Moniz's editors chose not to
run the story.
The key to proving Burkett's allegations was Conn. I contacted him in Europe
via e-mail. He was nonresponsive to my inquiries. Conn did, however, offer a
character reference on Burkett to Ralph Blumenthal of the New York Times,
which described Burkett as truthful and honorable. Conn wasn't the only one
who felt that way. Harvey Gough, another Texas Guard officer, recalled being
told about the Bush file incident by Burkett right after it happened, and
several others within the Guard attested to Burkett's integrity. Conn, in
fact, had stuck by Burkett throughout his Texas senate testimony on Guard
malfeasance, in his letter to the state senator, and while serving as a
source for USA Today's eventual report. In seven years, Burkett's story has
never changed. The only thing new is Conn's failure to support his friend.
Why?
Conn is a civilian employee of the U.S. Army in Germany. The White House can
pull any number of levers to influence his comments. Conn, undoubtedly, had
reason to worry about his employment if he stuck by Burkett. Burkett,
however, understands what he is confronting. He still considers Conn a
friend. "But I can't expect him to give up his life for me over this,"
Burkett told me.
In an interview with the Boston Globe, Conn said Burkett's memory was
inaccurate and no such encounter had ever happened. Reporter Michael
Rezendes failed to explore why Conn may have decided not to back up Burkett.
In a half hour conversation with me, Rezendes ended up using one terse quote
in his piece where I described the standoff as a classic "he said, she
said." He did not tell his readers all of the people I interviewed about
Burkett's claims. Rezendes' piece was ultimately posted on the Bush/Cheney
campaign Web site because it did such an effective job of discrediting
Burkett.
A writer's job includes connecting the pieces. I told Rezendes that a
combination of facts made Burkett's story believable. Reporters had
discovered there were documents missing from the Bush file in Austin.
Combine that fact with Karl Rove's history of deceptive political tactics,
Burkett's impeccable reputation as an officer and a man, and his story is
worth telling, even after Conn withdrew his affirmation of events. The
information speaks for itself, and rather loudly. Burkett is in poor health,
living on the edge of the desert in West Texas, and trying to enjoy his
retirement after 28 years of service in the National Guard. His wife was an
organizer in the state for Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Burkett is uncomfortable on camera, and, as a result of a virus contracted
while on duty in Panama, is subject to physical collapse. This is hardly the
profile of a man who would choose to make up a story and take on the White
House.
Burkett's story about the manipulation of Bush's "retained record" has never
changed nor has he ever wavered in its retelling. And the "retained record"
of Bush's time in the Texas National Guard is what reporters were using to
write their first stories on the presidential candidate. If it had been
cleaned up, as Burkett alleged, the only place to find the complete file
would be on the microfiche. This is undoubtedly why the president has not
simply ordered the entire file printed out and released without restriction
to news media outlets. The paper records, which may explain the grounding
and prove the president did not serve sufficient time to meet his legal
obligation to the Guard, have likely been removed from the Austin files. But
the microfiche has the whole truth, and that's why its dissemination is
being controlled.
The irony in all of this is that I am largely responsible for reducing
access to those records. During the 1994 Texas gubernatorial race between
Ann Richards and George W. Bush, I was a panelist on the only televised
debate between the two candidates. The question I chose to ask Bush first
was about the National Guard. I had lost friends in Vietnam, and many of
them had tried to get into the Guard. We were all told that there was a
waiting list of up to five years. The Guard was the best method for getting
out of combat in Vietnam. You needed connections. George W. Bush had them.
"Mr. Bush," I said. "How did you get into the Guard so easily? One hundred
thousand guys our age were on the waiting list, and you say you walked in
and signed up to become a pilot. Did your congressman father exercise any
influence on your behalf?"
"Not that I know of, Jim," the future president told me. "I certainly didn't
ask for any. And I'm sure my father didn't either. They just had an opening
for a pilot and I was there at the right time."
Maybe. But it's more likely he was there at the right time with the right
name. Col. Buck Staudt, who ran the air wing in which Bush served, had
filled his "champagne unit" with the politically connected and wealthy. The
sons of U.S. Sens. Lloyd Bentsen and John Tower of Texas were in that unit,
along with the son of Texas Gov. John Connally and the two sons of Sidney
Adger, George H.W. Bush's closest friend in Houston. I should have let that
speak for itself.
"As soon as you asked that question," one Guard officer told me, "they went
about the business of building their alternative story. They contacted all
of Bush's commanders and friends from that time to make sure they would all
stand by Bush."
And, undoubtedly, Rove and company went to work on cleaning up the files.
The stonewalling on this is still succeeding. Reporters calling the National
Guard offices in Arlington and the Pentagon are being told the staff is no
longer authorized to speak about the president and his time in the Guard.
One national reporter, who is still trying to get to the bottom of the
controversy, told me the White House said they were not going to talk about
the Guard matter any further.
And, sadly, the questions have stopped.
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Harry Grogan
> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its not
> about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
> no character flaws).
>
> illegally taped into democratic files.
> http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
>
> Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try and do is
> try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
>
Hey shit-fer-brains it's Kerry that's trying to run on something
that happened 30 years ago.If you can't fade the heat maybe you
fucking snivveling little utopians should stay out of the
kitchen.Perhaps Teddy "gimme another drink" Kennedy should've run on
what happened 30 years ago.
abelincoln
Its GasherbrumAgain
Exuse me but did he serve in vietnam? And how likely was it that
someone who was in the guard would actually found themselves in a
combat situation? You don't think alot of people got into the guard
because they thought they had less of a chance in engaging in combat
as opposed to joining the marines or army for example? Please compare
that with Kerry.
GW Chimpzilla
> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> possible to get out of the war. Another chickenhawk? So what have
> they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its not
> about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
> no character flaws).
>
> Then there is the recent scandal that looks as if republicans may have
> illegally taped into democratic files.
> http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
>
> Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try and do is
> try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
>
> Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
They put their stoopit party above their nation.
Its GasherbrumAgain
And George if you doubt and all what david is saying about the 90's
right-wing witchhunt against Clinton, then read David Brock's Blinded
by the right.
Nightwing
All Presidents, bring up their military past. I don't remember you GOPers
complaining when Papa Bush
brought up his Pacific exploits in WWII. Its true other liberals attacked
Bush on his very murky tour in the National Guard. But Kerry has been
avoiding such mudslinging. Its only when Cheney pushed the issue of Kerry
not earning his medals (which was bullshit anyway) that Kerry fought back.
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> > "Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com...
> > > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> > > very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> > > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> > > possible to get out of the war. Another chickenhawk? So what have
> > > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> > > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> > > Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its not
> > > about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
> > > no character flaws).
> > >
> > > Then there is the recent scandal that looks as if republicans may have
> > > illegally taped into democratic files.
> > > http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
> > >
> > > Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try and do is
> > > try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
> >
> > Nah!
> >
> > Us Kerry-haters are simply going to expose his leftwing, traitor-fuck,
> > Senate and anti-war activist record.
>
> Why not start here, now George? Put your cites here------------>
Okay. Since you asked, I'll start with this:
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against B-1 Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273:
Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against B-2 Stealth Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote
#273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Voted Against F-14 upgrade. (H. R. 5803, CQ Vote #319:
Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against F-15 upgrade. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273:
Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against F-16 upgrade. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273:
Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff And
Landing Jet Fighter upgrade. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R
48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against AH-64 Apache Helicopters. (H.R. 2126, CQ
Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against Patriot Missiles. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273:
Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against Aegis Air Defense Cruiser. (S. 3189, CQ
Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against Trident Missile System For U.S.
Submarines. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90,
Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against M-1 Abrams Tanks. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273:
Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against Bradley Fighting Vehicle. (S. 3189, CQ
Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Traitor Johnny Kerry Voted Against Tomahawk Cruise Missile. (S. 3189, CQ
Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
In 1984, Traitor Johnny Kerry said the Comandante Daniel Ortega was a
"missunderstood Democrat" -- proving that as so often as has been the case
since WWII, that Liberal Democrats == COMMUNIST LOVERS.
In the 1980's, Traitor Johnny Kerry supported the SOVIET UNION's nuclear
supremacy plan against the United States. At the same time Traitor Johnny
Kerry OPPOSED confronting the Soviet Union's attempt at blackmailing Europe
with their new IRBM deployment.
In 1991, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted -- twice -- to defense spending and
transfer the money to fund more welfare slugs.
In 1992, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted to cut defense by $6 Billion.
In 1993, Traitor Johnny Kerry VOTED AGAINST A MILITARY PAY RAISE!!
In 1993, Traitor Johnny Kerry INTRODUCED legislation cut the number of Navy
subs and their crews; reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force;
terminate the Navy's coastal mine-hunting ship program; force the retirement
of 60,000 members of the armed forces in one year; and reduce the number of
light infantry units in the Army down to one.
In 1995, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted to REDUCE the defense budget for 7 years
by $34 Billion per year.
In 1996 Traitor Johnny Kerry INTRODUCED a bill to cut defense by $6.5
Billion.
In 1996, when Clinton was going gung-ho in the Balkans with "Nation
Building" using US troops, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted to freeze Defense for
7 years and transfer $34 Billion to support some more welfare slugs.
If Traitor Johnny had his way, the Army would have no rifles, either; the
Air Force would have only paper planes to fly; the Navy, only rubber duckies
to sail; and the marines only their good looks to frighten terrorists with.
If Traitor Johnny had his way, this nation would be DEFENSELESS!
But that's what you "liberals" want -- a DEFENSELESS United States of
America. One that will before to bow before the rest of the world, in
subjugation. One that would have to "attone" for the "sins" YOU assholes
believe America has committed.
Had enough, pig?
>
>
> Chickenshit.
Traitor.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
> >
> > Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become violent if
> we
> > lose.
>
> Good thing. Cuz , you're gonna lose.
Dream on, pig.
OrionCA
>
>All Presidents, bring up their military past. I don't remember you GOPers
>complaining when Papa Bush
>brought up his Pacific exploits in WWII.
Actually, GHWB didn't talk much about his time in the service. Until
Sid Blumenthal wrote that hit piece accusing him of "cowardice" I
didn't even really know he had been a fighter pilot or had been shot
down in action over the Pacific; it wasn't all that high on the radar.
"Vicious Sid" is the ONLY reason it was an issue in the '92 election,
IIRC. George HW Bush won a Silver Star and Blumenthal accused him of
"using family connections" to get that medal. (His wartime heroics
made Bill Clinton's smarmy, "many of my generation loath the military"
sound all that much worse so Sid tried to neutralize it> He got a job
in the Clinton White House as a reward.).
Thanks for reminding me how sleazy Democrats can be.
>Its true other liberals attacked
>Bush on his very murky tour in the National Guard. But Kerry has been
>avoiding such mudslinging. Its only when Cheney pushed the issue of Kerry
>not earning his medals (which was bullshit anyway) that Kerry fought back.
That's a bald-faced lie: Cheney has never said a word about Kerry's
medals. Cheney has talked about Kerry's VOTING RECORD, and Kerry
responded with, "HOW DARE THEY QUESTION MY PATRIOTISM??? I WAS
WOUNDED IN VIETNAM!!!", etc. When ABC found file footage of him
bragging about throwing his medals, not his ribbons, away Kerry Pushed
the Button and attacked Bush's National Guard service to divert
attention.
George
> > news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com...
> > > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> > > very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> > > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> > > possible to get out of the war. Another chickenhawk? So what have
> > > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> > > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> > > Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its not
> > > about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if Bush has
> > > no character flaws).
> > >
> > > Then there is the recent scandal that looks as if republicans may have
> > > illegally taped into democratic files.
> > > http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
> > >
> > > Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try and do is
> > > try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
> >
> > Nah!
> >
> > Us Kerry-haters are simply going to expose his leftwing, traitor-fuck,
> > Senate and anti-war activist record.
>
Yep.
>How typical.
It's typical that the truth hurts you, yes? You can't stand to have the
truth told, so you call those who oppose you "knuckle draggers."
Ann Coulter was right when she wrote: "A central component of liberal hate
speech is to make paranoid accusations based upon their own neurotic
impulses...." ["Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right," p. 19]
> How was he a traitor?
He voted the Soviet line every time. His votes are *RECORDED* and are
online if you look for them. I've already posted a list of THOSE votes in
another post.
He did the bidding of Hanoi in covering up the existance of living POWS left
behind. In fact, he ordered the DESTRUCTION of evidence of live sightings.
Liberal Sydney Schanberg exposed all that in a February article in that
LEFTIST rag, The Village Voice (need the URL?). Over 500 men were left to
die in chains because TRAITOR JOHNNY KERRY covered up their continued living
existance. Traitor Johnny *is* Hanoi's favorite American son, after all.
Further, he REPEATEDLY voted to eviscerate defense and the military. Again,
I've already posted a list of THOSE votes.
Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the Vietnam
Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a vote
on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is "misprison
of treason."
So besides *consistently* voting to aid and comfort our enemies, Traitor
Johnny PARTICPATED in open sedition. That's besides participating in an
organization that marched under the NVA and VC flags (pictures of this are
online). And that is not even mentioning his 1973 "private diplomacy" trip
to Paris for receive personal instruction from the NV "negotiators" at the
peace talks.
If you work on the enemies behalf (and North Vietnam *was* the enemy), you
are "adhering to his cause," giving him "aid and comfort." And that *IS*
the definition of treason in the Constitution and US Code.
>Once again it sure is interesting. Kerry was a
> decorated war hero despite what you contemptible and dispicable
> right-wingers say.
Hey, stupid. The issue isn't his MILITARY service. It's his ANTI-WAR
activism and ANTI-US VOTES as an elected official that is at issue.
Why do you toads think you can use his military service to shield *THREE*
*DECADES* of fucking over the Military, of sucking up to every Communist
dictator on the planet, and his acts of sedition? It isn't going to work
because Kerry has a VOTING RECORD that has been pro-Communist and
anti-military across the board. And the FBI records of his Kansas City
deeds are now public knowledge.
Do you know that in the 90's, when a resolution was offered to condemn Fidel
Castro for his treatment of his people, KERRY voted against it? Sheesh!
>Bush on the other hand avoided combat.
Yet, under George W. Bush, *TERRORISM* had dropped 45% since 2001. In fact,
it's the lowest it's been since 1969. That's what is important, given that
the Islamofucks are trying to murder ALL of us -- even you.
[Source: Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism, Department of
State, April 29, 2004]
And flying the "Widow Maker" (the F-102) for *2* years of active duty in the
Air National Guard was hardly being a "chickenhawk," moron.
>So who do
> you so called 'patriotic' right-wingers bash? You bash Kerry instead
> of Bush. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Because TRAITOR JOHNNY deserves to be bashed.
His *3* DECADES of anti-US actions DESERVE to be EXPOSED.
The American people deserve to know the depths of Traitor Johnny's actions
AGAINST his own country as an elected official as well as an anti-war
"protester" (who got his instructions from Hanoi and whose cause he served
as a US Senator).
Traitor Johnny deserves to be kicked out of politics entirely because he is
personally UNWORTHY to hold elected office.
And for destroying evidence of living POWS left behind, and for leading the
cover up, Traitor Johnny OUGHT to go to prison.
The only hypocrisy involved here is you stupids trying to pretend that Kerry
should go to the White House instead of the BIG HOUSE for a term of hard
labor.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
> >
> > Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become violent if
we
> > lose.
>
> violent?
Yep. Your hatred of Bush WILL lead to violence when Bush is reelected.
You're frustration over losing is going to pop your corks. You children
*are* going to throw violent tantrums and you're gonna take to the streets
in violent protest. That *is* a given.
>What are you talking about? Do you remember the 2000
> election and Delay bringing in those out of state repubs to violently
> shutdown that recount?
It never happened, liar.
In fact, the "protest" (if that's what you can call a bunch of middle aged
men in cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers milling about) was over DEMOCRATS
carting away the ballots to be counted behind CLOSED DOORS in violation of
law. Yep. YOU DEMOCRAPS tried to STEAL THE ELECTION and the Republicans
protested it. Non-violently, in point of fact. But certainly loudly enough
to keep the vote-counting in PUBLIC where by law it is supposed to be done.
> Right-wingers = violence
Left-wing = TREASON and SEDITION. And rank LYING!
But you won't succeed -- your side is the one who believes in "gun control,"
after all. And when you do try your Putsch, it'll fail and the rest of us
will then be rid of you, forever.
Its GasherbrumAgain
No shit for brains. Its the bush campaign that has really made the
vietnam issue an issue. Now Kerry has no choice but to respond to the
onslaught of right-wing propaganda.
Its GasherbrumAgain
Oh yes. Your insightfull comment "Kerry-haters are simply going to
expose his leftwing, traitor-fuck, Senate and anti-war activist
record" is just so provactive and cuts sharper than a razor edge.
Give you a break you dumb fuck!!
> You can't stand to have the
> truth told, so you call those who oppose you "knuckle draggers."
Oh yes its so true that Kerry was a traitor. Ya right. Prove to me
he was a traitor you moron.
>
> Ann Coulter was right when she wrote: "A central component of liberal hate
> speech is to make paranoid accusations based upon their own neurotic
> impulses...." ["Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right," p. 19]
Ann coulter is a complete moron who specifically says far out
right-wing statements because she knows that morons like you will fall
for it. She is rich because idiots like you fall for her crap.
And who the hell is she to accuse liberals of hate speech? She is the
same person that something to the affect that John Walker should be
executed because then liberals will know that they can be exectuted
anytime. Another example of right-wing reverse propaganda to hide
their own hatefullness.
>
> > How was he a traitor?
>
> He voted the Soviet line every time. His votes are *RECORDED* and are
> online if you look for them. I've already posted a list of THOSE votes in
> another post.
Give me a fucking break. How did he vote the Soviet line every time?
What would be the Soviet line anyway you moron?
>
> He did the bidding of Hanoi in covering up the existance of living POWS left
> behind. In fact, he ordered the DESTRUCTION of evidence of live sightings.
Show me proof?
> Liberal Sydney Schanberg exposed
List for me the issues Sydney Schanberg believes in that are liberal?
> all that in a February article in that
> LEFTIST rag, The Village Voice (need the URL?). Over 500 men were left to
> die in chains because TRAITOR JOHNNY KERRY covered up their continued living
> existance. Traitor Johnny *is* Hanoi's favorite American son, after all.
A traitor is someone that at least has to be convicted of giving vital
government secrets to a country which at the very least is hostile to
the US. In most cases at war with. If true this defintely would be
very damaging to Kerry's character but it does not fit the classic
defintion of a traitor. Also you say "over 500 men" were left. That
has not been proven. You should have said "over 500 men have been
thought to have been left". Know one knows if or how many were left.
But I do agree than any coverup, if true, on Kerry's part is
revealing. Although with such an allegation, Anyone deserves to
rebut, explain or disprove such an allegation
>
> Further, he REPEATEDLY voted to eviscerate defense and the military. Again,
> I've already posted a list of THOSE votes.
What a second. What would be proof that he eviscerate defense and the
military?
You mean a vote against any defense and military project means he is a
traitor?
So is Dick Cheney a traitor since he voted against many military
weapon systems?
So if a politician does not give in to every weapons system, no matter
how unreliable and expensive and how much it inflates the deficit,
then he is a traitor? Your such a dumbass
>
> Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the Vietnam
> Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
> whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a vote
> on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is "misprison
> of treason."
>
> So besides *consistently* voting to aid and comfort our enemies,
Your engaging in typical right-wing rhetoirc. What votes aided and
gave comfort to our enemies? By the way, if someone was against
Clinton using the military in Bosnia,Kosovo,Somalia and hati, are they
a traitor too?
> Traitor
> Johnny PARTICPATED in open sedition.
Exuse me but were we at war at the time of the alleged coverup? Have
you been listening to michael weiner?
> That's besides participating in an
> organization that marched under the NVA and VC flags (pictures of this are
> online).
What organization marched under the NVA and VC flags? When was this
and did he know it at the time? Please provide solid evidence from a
reliable source.
> And that is not even mentioning his 1973 "private diplomacy" trip
> to Paris for receive personal instruction from the NV "negotiators" at the
> peace talks.
What kind of right-wing websites have you been reading? What kind of
far right
publications have you been reading. Please provide your source.
>
> If you work on the enemies behalf (and North Vietnam *was* the enemy), you
> are "adhering to his cause," giving him "aid and comfort." And that *IS*
> the definition of treason in the Constitution and US Code.
What do you define as "working on the enemies behalf". Is simply
protesting the war working on enemies behalf?
>
> >Once again it sure is interesting. Kerry was a
> > decorated war hero despite what you contemptible and dispicable
> > right-wingers say.
>
> Hey, stupid. The issue isn't his MILITARY service. It's his ANTI-WAR
> activism and ANTI-US VOTES as an elected official that is at issue.
Hey stupid. It is his partically his military service because the
right-wing now is trying to discredit his medals. As for this
anti-war activism. Why is anti-war activism is and of itself a
negative? Was anti-war activism during Clinton's Kosovo/Bosnia,
Somailia or Hati campaign OK? Anti-US votes? What would be anti-US
votes? What would you define as a anti-US vote? Any vote that
goes against your right-wing agenda?
>
> Why do you toads think you can use his military service to shield *THREE*
> *DECADES* of fucking over the Military,
Fucking over the military? What exactly would be fucking over the
military? Give me an example.
>of sucking up to every Communist
> dictator on the planet,
Ok now your once again talking like an idiot foaming at the mouth
right-winger.
Give me some examples of him sucking up to every communist dictator?
>and his acts of sedition?
You have no proof of that. Please provide evidence from some reliable
source.
Anyone can get any discredited information from any kind of luny
website out there.
> It isn't going to work
> because Kerry has a VOTING RECORD that has been pro-Communist and
> anti-military across the board.
Gaad. You are a right-wing nut. You show me the voting record that
proves he was pro-communist.
>And the FBI records of his Kansas City
> deeds are now public knowledge.
>
> Do you know that in the 90's, when a resolution was offered to condemn Fidel
> Castro for his treatment of his people, KERRY voted against it? Sheesh!
>
> >Bush on the other hand avoided combat.
>
> Yet, under George W. Bush, *TERRORISM* had dropped 45% since 2001. In fact,
> it's the lowest it's been since 1969. That's what is important, given that
> the Islamofucks are trying to murder ALL of us -- even you.
Like that is a response that disproves my statement "Bush on the other
hand avoided combat". Lowest since 1969? HMMMM? That leads me to
wonder what study
you are citing. But please, its after 911. It does not matter who
would be president after 911, actual terrorism inside the US would
drop due to unprecident new measures that would be in place even if
Bush was not president despite what right-winger like you have said.
But on the flip side, the war on Iraq has now recrutied thousands of
new recuits
that want to fight the US. Hosni Mubarek says that anti-american
sentiment is at an all time high.
>
> [Source: Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism, Department of
> State, April 29, 2004]
>
> And flying the "Widow Maker" (the F-102) for *2* years of active duty in the
> Air National Guard was hardly being a "chickenhawk," moron.
Yes it does. Many went into the national guard because they believed
it was likely they would avoid combat. That coupled with his probablr
belief that the Vietnam war was right would make hime a classic
chickenhawk.
By the way his so called service in the national guard still has not
been totally cleared up.
>
> >So who do
> > you so called 'patriotic' right-wingers bash? You bash Kerry instead
> > of Bush. What a bunch of hypocrites.
>
> Because TRAITOR JOHNNY deserves to be bashed.
Your dispicable and contemptous but typical right-winger. People of
your ilk
love wallowing in your hatred. You love sinking into the depths of
new lows even if it means bringing back the very divisive vietnam war.
>
> His *3* DECADES of anti-US actions DESERVE to be EXPOSED.
Of course everyone knows that anti-US in your mind equates to anti
right-wing beliefs.
>
> The American people deserve to know the depths of Traitor Johnny's actions
> AGAINST his own country as an elected official as well as an anti-war
> "protester" (who got his instructions from Hanoi and whose cause he served
> as a US Senator).
Hey idiot. Let me tell you something. If you, and your fellow
right-wing repubs, are dumb enough to make this an issue that PLEASE
PLEASE PRESS ON HARD because it will sink Bush's poll #'s lower and
lower. You see most people in the US will see it for what it is. A
vicious partisian attack related to a very divisive event more than
30+ years that the VAST VAST majority of people would rather forget.
But hey if you guys are dumb enough, then PLEASE PRESS FORWARD HARD.
In fact could you please convince Bush to call Kerry a traitor to his
country. Please convince Bush to use the most extreme rhetoric
possible.
>
> Traitor Johnny deserves to be kicked out of politics entirely because he is
> personally UNWORTHY to hold elected office.
Again. Write to Carl Rowe and try and convince Rowe to convince Bush
to call Kerry a Traitor. Try and convince Rowe to use the most
extreme rhetoric from Bush and in the ads as well.
>
> And for destroying evidence of living POWS left behind, and for leading the
> cover up, Traitor Johnny OUGHT to go to prison.
That has not been proved but its interesting that actions related to
an event more than 30+ years seems far more important to you than the
Bush administration
misleading (and some would say even lying) the country to invade Iraq.
Gee sure looks like you priotites are in line.
>
> The only hypocrisy involved here is you stupids trying to pretend that Kerry
> should go to the White House instead of the BIG HOUSE for a term of hard
> labor.
Well that technically would not be hypocrisy but thanks for the phoney
try. But
PLEASE PLEASE TRY AND CONVINCE BUSH TO USE THE SAME RHETORIC THAT YOU
USE. PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
> > >
> > > Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become violent if
> we
> > > lose.
> >
> > violent?
>
> Yep. Your hatred of Bush WILL lead to violence when Bush is reelected.
> You're frustration over losing is going to pop your corks. You children
> *are* going to throw violent tantrums and you're gonna take to the streets
> in violent protest. That *is* a given.
>
> >What are you talking about? Do you remember the 2000
> > election and Delay bringing in those out of state repubs to violently
> > shutdown that recount?
>
> It never happened, liar.
It did happen. Is your memory that poor?
>
> In fact, the "protest" (if that's what you can call a bunch of middle aged
> men in cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers milling about)
what does cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers prove?
> was over DEMOCRATS
DEMOCRATS? your the liar
> carting away the ballots to be counted behind CLOSED DOORS in violation of
> law. Yep. YOU DEMOCRAPS tried to STEAL THE ELECTION and the Republicans
> protested it.
Its more likely the other way around. By the way I am not a
registered democrat. I am a independent.
> Non-violently, in point of fact.
No it was not. I remember what I saw.
> But certainly loudly enough
> to keep the vote-counting in PUBLIC where by law it is supposed to be done.
>
> > Right-wingers = violence
>
> Left-wing = TREASON and SEDITION.
You would not know the defintion of TREASON and SEDITION IF YOUR LIFE
dependent on it. Oh and by the way what do you have to say about Joe
Wilson's spy wife being outed by two senior bush administration
officials?
>And rank LYING!
LYING = lying about sex and not real issue like for example matters of
war
>
> But you won't succeed -- your side is the one who believes in "gun control,"
> after all. And when you do try your Putsch, it'll fail and the rest of us
> will then be rid of you, forever.
"rid of you", Forever. Gee what to explain what you mean there? Gee I
think I see a some shades of your fuhrer hitler? Please explain. I
want to here this.
Deep within that twisted sick right-wing mind of yours, what do you
secretly dream will become of us libs? Please don't hold back I want
to see just what kind of violence you would like to be done to us?
All this from a guy who claims its the libs who are violent. George
is so stupid that he claims on one hand that are libs are violent then
the next thing you know he is making a statement that seems like he is
advocating mass slaugher of libs. You would think someone would be at
least smart enough to see the contradiction fairly quickly but not
stupid George.
By the way. All of this is to be expected. How many times have we
heard right-wingers on the net or on talk radio threaten to kill
certain liberals or
all liberals and these very same right-wing hypocrites accuse liberals
of hate.
unfucking believable.
your a right-wing fucking moron george.
Methos
"Harry Grogan" <maynardgk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1bdd8f88.04050...@posting.google.com...
: gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in message
Well played ,Harry! Well played indeed!
Methos
"Jim Alder" <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44...: news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
:
: > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
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: Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's
been
: unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
: listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP
for
: making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
:
: > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
: > possible to get out of the war.
: No, he didn't. He volunteered for the NG. Are you saying NG people are
: draft dodgers or just cowards?
: > Another chickenhawk? So what have
: > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
: > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
:
: severity of his wounds?
:
Ahh the deafening silence........it's golden LOL
: --
: Metaphors bewitch you
Harry Grogan
O.K,I guess the beating up of Bush on his service record for the
last year and a half was just poking fun?RRIIIGGGHHHT!!
Harry Grogan
> All Presidents, bring up their military past. I don't remember you GOPers
> complaining when Papa Bush
> brought up his Pacific exploits in WWII. Its true other liberals attacked
> Bush on his very murky tour in the National Guard. But Kerry has been
> avoiding such mudslinging. Its only when Cheney pushed the issue of Kerry
> not earning his medals (which was bullshit anyway) that Kerry fought back.
O.K.lesseee!!I've done a Google check and can't find one instance of
Bubba bringing up his past service record.UH-OOHHH!!He did'nt have
one?
Harry Grogan
>
> > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
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> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's been
> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP for
> making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>
> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> > possible to get out of the war.
>
> draft dodgers or just cowards?
>
> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
>
> severity of his wounds?
Because his major "wound" is the one received in his buttocks while
RUNNING from the V.C!!
Jingo
Grogan) wrote:
>Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44>...
>> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
>> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>>
>>Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone the
>> severity of his wounds?
>
> Because his major "wound" is the one received in his buttocks while
>RUNNING from the V.C!!
You neo-clowns really should start using lies that aren't so easy to
disprove:
Kerry is Highly Praised in Military Records
Nedra Pickler, The Associated Press, April 21, 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4005521,00.html
WASHINGTON (AP) - Records of John Kerry's Vietnam War service released
Wednesday show a highly praised naval officer who volunteered for a
dangerous assignment and at one point was ``unofficially credited with
20 enemy killed in action.''
With conservative critics questioning his service, the Democratic
presidential candidate posted more than 120 pages of military records
on his campaign Web site. Several describe him as a gutsy commander
and detail some of the actions that won him three Purple Hearts, a
Bronze Star and a Silver Star.
Kerry's most harrowing experience came during the nearly five months
when he commanded a swiftboat along Vietnam's Mekong Delta. The future
Massachusetts senator was commended for gallantry, heroism and valor
during the tour, which was cut short when Kerry was wounded three
times and sent back to the United States.
``He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgment in
planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta,'' wrote Lt.
Cmdr. George Elliott, Kerry's commanding officer. ``Involved in
several enemy initiated fire fights, including an ambush during the
Christmas truce, he effectively suppressed enemy fire and is
unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action.''
Talk radio conservatives and some veterans have questioned whether
Kerry was wounded severely enough to leave combat, but Democratic
National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said he is eager to
compare Kerry's record to President Bush's. McAuliffe accused Bush of
using family connections to avoid service overseas and failing to show
up for duty while in the National Guard.
``Simply put, Kerry has a proud record of sacrifice and service
whereas Bush has a record of cashed-in connections and evasion,''
McAuliffe said in a statement Wednesday.
Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson said,
``Like so many of Terry McAuliffe's comments, this one is not worthy
of the dignity of a response.''
Kerry's records show that throughout his four years of active duty,
superiors gave him glowing evaluations, citing his maturity,
intelligence and immaculate appearance. He was recommended for early
promotion, and when he left the Navy in 1970 to run for Congress, his
commanding officer said it was the Navy's loss.
The lowest marks Kerry earned were the equivalent of average - in
military bearing, reliability and initiative. But narrative comments
from his commanding officers said he was diplomatic, charismatic,
decisive and well-liked by his men.
The records cited Kerry's education at Swiss boarding school, his
speaking and debating awards and his role as class orator at Yale
University's commencement. He lettered in varsity soccer and lacrosse,
fenced, had a private pilot's license and had experience sailing and
ocean racing.
Kerry traveled throughout Europe in his youth and spoke fluent French
and some German. His supervising officer later commended him for
taking it upon himself to learn Vietnamese.
Kerry cited his sailing experience before the Navy when he volunteered
to command a swiftboat, a 50-foot-long craft that could operate at
high speeds in the rough waters of Vietnam's rivers and tributaries.
Some critics have questioned whether Kerry's injuries were severe
enough to warrant reassignment to the United States. His records
briefly describe shrapnel wounds to his arm and thigh for the first
two Purple Hearts, but they don't detail the severity of the wounds.
According to a naval instruction document provided by Kerry's
campaign, anyone serving in Vietnam who was wounded three times,
regardless of the nature of the wound or treatment required, ``will
not be ordered to service in Vietnam and contiguous waters.''
On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's and two other boats came under heavy fire
from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush
and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an
enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10
feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, chased and killed
the man.
Kerry and his men chased or killed all enemy soldiers in the area,
captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come
under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry
again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and
they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, with the boats again
under fire, Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong
and wounded another with no casualties to his own men.
He won the Silver Star ``for gallantry and intrepidity in action''
that day. Two weeks later, another fire fight led to a Bronze Star for
heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his
reassignment out of Vietnam.
Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969,
when two mines detonated almost simultaneously - one beneath another
boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and
his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate
who had been thrown overboard by the blast and was under sniper fire
from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other
damaged craft and tow it to safety.
In April 1969, Kerry was sent stateside to the Military Sea
Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, in Brooklyn, N.Y. On Nov.
21, 1969, Kerry requested that he be released from his commitment to
serve actively until August 1970 so he could run for Congress.
He was promoted to full lieutenant on Jan. 1, 1970, and soon after was
discharged from active duty and became a reservist.
On the Net:
Kerry's military records:
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military-records.html
"What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident
and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with this.'"
--Current U.S. Administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, commenting on the Bush
Administration, speaking at The McCormick Tribune Foundation Conference on Terrorism,
Feb. 26, 2001.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bremer.bush.
ap/index.html
George
Yawn.
Get used to it, toad.
We've got a LONG way to go before the election is over and the Democratic
Party drifts out of focus into history.
>
>
> > You can't stand to have the
> > truth told, so you call those who oppose you "knuckle draggers."
>
> Oh yes its so true that Kerry was a traitor. Ya right. Prove to me
> he was a traitor you moron.
Try reading for comprehension, moron.
Of course, Kerry could be caught with bin Laden living in his basement and
it STILL wouldn't convince you. Your mind's made up and you don't want to
be confused by the facts.
>
> >
> > Ann Coulter was right when she wrote: "A central component of liberal
hate
> > speech is to make paranoid accusations based upon their own neurotic
> > impulses...." ["Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right," p. 19]
>
> Ann coulter is a complete moron who specifically says far out
> right-wing statements because she knows that morons like you will fall
> for it. She is rich because idiots like you fall for her crap.
Where as you, being a good little liberal Democrat, remain in denial.
>
> And who the hell is she to accuse liberals of hate speech?
She's the one who put together a book with over 800 citations listing the
ways you liberal toads lie and slander anybody to the right of Leon Trotsky.
Did you ever read it?
>She is the
> same person that something to the affect that John Walker should be
> executed because then liberals will know that they can be exectuted
> anytime.
Really?
Wow, I hadn't read that.
Good for her. But I don't know if I share that exact sentiment. I just
want to see liberals made impotent. I just want future generations to look
back at this era as the one were the scourge of socialism and liberalism
became obsolete.
There is NOTHING wrong with that.
>Another example of right-wing reverse propaganda to hide
> their own hatefullness.
Typical crap coming from a leftist moron who can't stand being confronted
with his own perfidity.
>
> >
> > > How was he a traitor?
> >
> > He voted the Soviet line every time. His votes are *RECORDED* and are
> > online if you look for them. I've already posted a list of THOSE votes
in
> > another post.
>
> Give me a fucking break. How did he vote the Soviet line every time?
> What would be the Soviet line anyway you moron?
Nuclear freeze, no upgrade of nuclear forces in Europe after the Soviets
introduced new weapons, opposed research on a national missile defense. All
well documented. See "Useful Idiots, How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold
War and Still Blame America First," Mona Charen, Regnery Publishing;
(February 2003), ISBN: 0895261391
Here's an example of Kerry's toeing the Soviet line. The Soviet Union was
strongly opposed to a national missile defense. They had a system, we
didn't and that gave them an advantage that they did not want us to
overcome. From "Useful Idiots:"
"Senator John F. Kerry attempted to strangle SDI in the cradle in 1985,
sponsoring a bill that would have frozen spending for the pro gram at $1.4
billion. Kerry's amendment would further have forbidden experiments of any
kind that would tend to undermine the "single most important arms-control
treaty of our time." He was referring to the ABM treaty-a treaty that the
Soviets had violated, and that liberals would continue to worship even after
the Soviet Union had ceased to exist. The amendment was defeated 78 to 21."
[p. 64]
And there there are his repeated votes and bills to reduce the military and
votes against almost every weapon system in our arsenal today. See
citations elsewhere in this response for specifics.
You mean you DIDN'T KNOW THIS?
Are you that STUPID?
>
> >
> > He did the bidding of Hanoi in covering up the existance of living POWS
left
> > behind. In fact, he ordered the DESTRUCTION of evidence of live
sightings.
>
> Show me proof?
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
>
> > Liberal Sydney Schanberg exposed
>
> List for me the issues Sydney Schanberg believes in that are liberal?
Besides writing for the Village Voice, you mean?
Here's one: He supported Pol Pot in the 70's.
Feel free to study Schanberg's bio and report back to us. Good luck trying
to "prove" he is a conservative.
>
> > all that in a February article in that
> > LEFTIST rag, The Village Voice (need the URL?). Over 500 men were left
to
> > die in chains because TRAITOR JOHNNY KERRY covered up their continued
living
> > existance. Traitor Johnny *is* Hanoi's favorite American son, after
all.
>
> A traitor is someone that at least has to be convicted of giving vital
> government secrets to a country which at the very least is hostile to
> the US.
Wrong, moron.
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war
against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
Article 3, Section 3, Paragraph 1, US Constitution.
Do you not understand the term "GIVING AID AND COMFORT," moron?
> In most cases at war with.
Not true.
>If true this defintely would be
> very damaging to Kerry's character but it does not fit the classic
> defintion of a traitor.
Kerry HAS no character: Flip-flop, Flip-flop.
> Also you say "over 500 men" were left. That
> has not been proven.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
>You should have said "over 500 men have been
> thought to have been left". Know one knows if or how many were left.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
> But I do agree than any coverup, if true, on Kerry's part is
> revealing. Although with such an allegation, Anyone deserves to
> rebut, explain or disprove such an allegation
Feel free to ask him at his next campaign rally in your neighborhood.
I predict he's say: "That's none of our business."
>
> >
> > Further, he REPEATEDLY voted to eviscerate defense and the military.
Again,
> > I've already posted a list of THOSE votes.
>
> What a second. What would be proof that he eviscerate defense and the
> military?
His votes in the Senate. See the list that follows.
> You mean a vote against any defense and military project means he is a
> traitor?
Kerry is not a traitor, necessarily, for his anti-military, anti-defense
votes. Though the clear pattern of his votes is proof that he wants the
United States disarmed. If Kerry had his way, the military would be unfit
and unable to defend this country.
Kerry is a traitor for lying before the Senate in 1971, for slandering EVERY
Vietnam veteran, for being a national director of VVAW, for participating in
sedition: To wit, a vote on whether to assassinate 6 US Senators in Kansas
City, in 1971.
> So is Dick Cheney a traitor since he voted against many military
> weapon systems?
Nope.
> So if a politician does not give in to every weapons system, no matter
> how unreliable and expensive and how much it inflates the deficit,
> then he is a traitor?
Nope.
>Your such a dumbass
And you have the brains of week old dog turds. SO?
>
> >
> > Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
Vietnam
> > Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
> > whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a
vote
> > on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is
"misprison
> > of treason."
> >
> > So besides *consistently* voting to aid and comfort our enemies,
>
> Your engaging in typical right-wing rhetoirc. What votes aided and
> gave comfort to our enemies?
Try reading for comprehension, stupid.
"Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
Vietnam
Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a vote
on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is "misprison
of treason.""
>By the way, if someone was against
> Clinton using the military in Bosnia,Kosovo,Somalia and hati, are they
> a traitor too?
>
> > Traitor
> > Johnny PARTICPATED in open sedition.
>
> Exuse me but were we at war at the time of the alleged coverup? Have
> you been listening to michael weiner?
Who is Weiner?
"Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
Vietnam
Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a vote
on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is "misprison
of treason.""
Do you have trouble understanding that if you CONSPIRE to ASSASSINATE United
States Senators that you are committing sedition (the overthrow of the
United States Government by force) and Treason (making "war upon the United
States")?
Is this too fucking DEEP for a mental lightweight like you to understand?
>
>
> > That's besides participating in an
> > organization that marched under the NVA and VC flags (pictures of this
are
> > online).
>
> What organization marched under the NVA and VC flags?
The Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- he was a national director.
>When was this
> and did he know it at the time? Please provide solid evidence from a
> reliable source.
Photos archived at:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/vc_flg_cap.jpg
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/vc_flag_protesta.jpg
Kerry's sedition:
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/03/12&ID=Ar00100
http://www.starbanner.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040424/ZNYT02/404240311/1009/BUSINESS
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110004881
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37706
University of Florida Oral History Archive, October 20, 1992
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37646
Kerry's meeting with NVA negotiators in Paris:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/25/kerry_spoke_of_meeting_negotiators_on_vietnam/
Kerry's betrayal of the POWs:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
>
>
> > And that is not even mentioning his 1973 "private diplomacy" trip
> > to Paris for receive personal instruction from the NV "negotiators" at
the
> > peace talks.
>
> What kind of right-wing websites have you been reading? What kind of
> far right
> publications have you been reading. Please provide your source.
See above.
>
> >
> > If you work on the enemies behalf (and North Vietnam *was* the enemy),
you
> > are "adhering to his cause," giving him "aid and comfort." And that
*IS*
> > the definition of treason in the Constitution and US Code.
>
> What do you define as "working on the enemies behalf". Is simply
> protesting the war working on enemies behalf?
Yes. Here's why:
"If I have one regret from my radical years, it is that this country was too
tolerant toward the treason of its enemies within. If patriotic Americans
had been more vigilant in the defense of their country, if they had called
things by their right names, if they had confronted us with the seriousness
of our attacks, they might have caught the attention of those of us who were
well-meaning but utterly misguided. And they might have stopped us in our
tracks. I appeal to those of you who are attacking your country, full of
self-righteousness, who, like me, may live to regret what you have done."
David Horowitz, 9/28/2001, Los Angeles Times,
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-000077642sep28.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dcomment%2Dopinions
This war, you leftist slugs are NOT getting a "pass." You are going to be
confronted with your treason.
>
> >
> > >Once again it sure is interesting. Kerry was a
> > > decorated war hero despite what you contemptible and dispicable
> > > right-wingers say.
> >
> > Hey, stupid. The issue isn't his MILITARY service. It's his ANTI-WAR
> > activism and ANTI-US VOTES as an elected official that is at issue.
>
> Hey stupid. It is his partically his military service because the
> right-wing now is trying to discredit his medals.
I'm not. Did you have trouble understanding the phrase: "The issue isn't
his MILITARY service...." It means that the issue IS NOT his military
service. Sheeesh!
>As for this
> anti-war activism. Why is anti-war activism is and of itself a
> negative?
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war
against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
Read what former Senator and former POW Jerimiah Denton said about Kerry's
anti-war activities as it related to his captivity.
"Knowing that I served in the U.S. Senate with John Kerry and that, like
him, I am a veteran of the Vietnam War, many people have asked me what I
think of him, particularly now that he's the apparent presidential nominee
of the Democratic Party.
When Kerry joined me in the Senate, I already knew about his record of
defamatory remarks and behavior criticizing U.S. policy in Vietnam and the
conduct of our military personnel there. I had learned in North Vietnamese
prisons how much harm such statements caused.
To me, his remarks and behavior amounted to giving aid and comfort to our
Vietnamese and Soviet enemies. So I was not surprised when his subsequent
overall voting pattern in the Senate was consistently detrimental to our
national security."
Former Senator and Former POW Jerimiah Denton, Mobile Register, March 10,
2004, archived at:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12521
Is that clear enough for you, stupid?
>Was anti-war activism during Clinton's Kosovo/Bosnia,
> Somailia or Hati campaign OK?
There wasn't any, because it was a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT'S war -- Clinton's war.
The anti-war traitors ONLY come out to play when a REPUBLCIAN goes to war.
>Anti-US votes? What would be anti-US
> votes? What would you define as a anti-US vote? Any vote that
> goes against your right-wing agenda?
Any vote in Congress that diminishes the national security of the United
States of America is a anti-US vote.
Specifically:
Voted Against B-1 Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D
42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against B-2 Stealth Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R
37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against F-14. (H. R. 5803, CQ Vote #319: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D
43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against F-15. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11,
10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against F-16. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11,
10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff And Landing Jet Fighters. (H.R.
2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted
Nay)
Voted Against AH-64 Apache Helicopters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted
59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against Patriot Missiles. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R
37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against Aegis Air Defense Cruiser. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed
79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against Trident Missile System For U.S. Submarines. (S. 3189, CQ Vote
#273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against M-1 Abrams Tanks. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R
37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against Bradley Fighting Vehicle. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed
79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Voted Against Tomahawk Cruise Missile. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16:
R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
All these weapons systems are in the US inventory and have been highly
successful in battle.
In 1984, Kerry said the Comandante Daniel Ortega was a "missunderstood
Democrat" -- proving that as so often as has been the case since WWII, that
Liberal Democrats == COMMUNIST LOVERS.
In the 1980's, Kerry supported the SOVIET UNION's nuclear supremacy plan
against the United States. At the same time Traitor Johnny Kerry OPPOSED
confronting the Soviet Union's attempt at blackmailing Europe with their new
IRBM deployment.
In 1991, Kerry voted -- twice -- to defense spending and transfer the money
to fund more welfare slugs.
In 1992, Kerry voted to cut defense by $6 Billion.
In 1993, Kerry VOTED AGAINST A MILITARY PAY RAISE!!
In 1993, Kerry INTRODUCED legislation cut the number of Navy subs and their
crews; reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force; terminate the Navy's
coastal mine-hunting ship program; force the retirement of 60,000 members of
the armed forces in one year; and reduce the number of light infantry units
in the Army down to one.
In 1995, Kerry voted to REDUCE the defense budget for 7 years by $34 Billion
per year.
In 1996 Kerry INTRODUCED a bill to cut defense by $6.5 Billion.
In 1996, when Clinton was going gung-ho in the Balkans with "Nation
Building" using US troops, Kerry voted to freeze Defense for 7 years and
transfer $34 Billion to support some more welfare slugs.
Is this enough?
He votes "ANTI-DEFENSE," and voting to weaken the national defense is an
ANTI-AMERICAN vote.
>
> >
> > Why do you toads think you can use his military service to shield
*THREE*
> > *DECADES* of fucking over the Military,
>
> Fucking over the military? What exactly would be fucking over the
> military? Give me an example.
See above list.
If Kerry had his way, the Army would have no rifles, either; the Air Force
would have only paper planes to fly; the Navy, only rubber duckies to sail;
and the marines only their good looks to frighten terrorists with.
If Kerry had his way, this nation would be DEFENSELESS!
>
> >of sucking up to every Communist
> > dictator on the planet,
>
> Ok now your once again talking like an idiot foaming at the mouth
> right-winger.
> Give me some examples of him sucking up to every communist dictator?
Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro. See above.
>
> >and his acts of sedition?
>
> You have no proof of that. Please provide evidence from some reliable
> source.
> Anyone can get any discredited information from any kind of luny
> website out there.
See above.
>
> > It isn't going to work
> > because Kerry has a VOTING RECORD that has been pro-Communist and
> > anti-military across the board.
>
> Gaad. You are a right-wing nut. You show me the voting record that
> proves he was pro-communist.
I just did. He voted the Soviet's way. He's consistently voted AGAINST the
military and the national defense.
>
>
> >And the FBI records of his Kansas City
> > deeds are now public knowledge.
> >
> > Do you know that in the 90's, when a resolution was offered to condemn
Fidel
> > Castro for his treatment of his people, KERRY voted against it? Sheesh!
> >
> > >Bush on the other hand avoided combat.
> >
> > Yet, under George W. Bush, *TERRORISM* had dropped 45% since 2001. In
fact,
> > it's the lowest it's been since 1969. That's what is important, given
that
> > the Islamofucks are trying to murder ALL of us -- even you.
>
> Like that is a response that disproves my statement "Bush on the other
> hand avoided combat". Lowest since 1969? HMMMM? That leads me to
> wonder what study
> you are citing.
Cited as "Patterns of Global Terrorism-2003," Office of the Coordinator for
Counterterrorism, US Department of State, April 29, 2004,
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/31569.htm
>But please, its after 911. It does not matter who
> would be president after 911, actual terrorism inside the US would
> drop due to unprecident new measures that would be in place even if
> Bush was not president despite what right-winger like you have said.
If ALGORE were President, bin Laden would be moving into the White House --
in the fomer Lincoln Bedroom (which would be renamed ("Allah's Heaven on
Earth" in his honor) -- as a permanent guest.\
And you'd be praying facing Mecca 5 times a day -- or you'd be dead.
>
> But on the flip side, the war on Iraq has now recrutied thousands of
> new recuits
> that want to fight the US. Hosni Mubarek says that anti-american
> sentiment is at an all time high.
So?
Fuck 'em.
Do you REALLY think that the people who danced in the streets when the World
Trade Center collapsed were EVER our pals? Do you really think that the
same people who shouted "Allak Akbar" on 9/11/01 somehow were NOT our
enemies already?
You *are* a stupid clown and a moron.
>
> >
> > [Source: Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism, Department of
> > State, April 29, 2004]
> >
> > And flying the "Widow Maker" (the F-102) for *2* years of active duty in
the
> > Air National Guard was hardly being a "chickenhawk," moron.
>
> Yes it does.
No it isn't, ignorant moron. Not according to Col William Campenni (Ret),
in a letter to the editor he wrote:
"There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the
draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members.
Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½
years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of
mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt.
Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going
through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival
training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine
months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was
even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure
weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which
you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding
service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.
The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at
any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots
were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our
Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush's
tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s
was risking one's life....
...While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar
games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who
knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North
Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in
showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the
first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and
Iraq.
It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of
Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they
were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen -
then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to
serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that
Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators
and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.
In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are
starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster
strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to
slander the Guard: Knock it off.
COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired), U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard, Herndon,
Va." [archived at http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040210-082910-8424r.htm]
>Many went into the national guard because they believed
> it was likely they would avoid combat. That coupled with his probablr
> belief that the Vietnam war was right would make hime a classic
> chickenhawk.
Liar.
See above.
FLYING HIGH PERFORMANCE JETS IS A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY. Especially the F-102.
>
> By the way his so called service in the national guard still has not
> been totally cleared up.
Only in mind that have shit for brains. Does that include you?
>
> >
> > >So who do
> > > you so called 'patriotic' right-wingers bash? You bash Kerry instead
> > > of Bush. What a bunch of hypocrites.
> >
> > Because TRAITOR JOHNNY deserves to be bashed.
>
> Your dispicable and contemptous but typical right-winger.
Fuck you, too.
>People of
> your ilk
> love wallowing in your hatred. You love sinking into the depths of
> new lows even if it means bringing back the very divisive vietnam war.
Fuck you, too.
>
> >
> > His *3* DECADES of anti-US actions DESERVE to be EXPOSED.
>
> Of course everyone knows that anti-US in your mind equates to anti
> right-wing beliefs.
You're a lying pig. Happy?
>
> >
> > The American people deserve to know the depths of Traitor Johnny's
actions
> > AGAINST his own country as an elected official as well as an anti-war
> > "protester" (who got his instructions from Hanoi and whose cause he
served
> > as a US Senator).
>
> Hey idiot. Let me tell you something. If you, and your fellow
> right-wing repubs, are dumb enough to make this an issue that PLEASE
> PLEASE PRESS ON HARD because it will sink Bush's poll #'s lower and
> lower. You see most people in the US will see it for what it is. A
> vicious partisian attack related to a very divisive event more than
> 30+ years that the VAST VAST majority of people would rather forget.
> But hey if you guys are dumb enough, then PLEASE PRESS FORWARD HARD.
> In fact could you please convince Bush to call Kerry a traitor to his
> country. Please convince Bush to use the most extreme rhetoric
> possible.
Yawn.
KERRY LIED AND US POWS DIED!
>
>
> >
> > Traitor Johnny deserves to be kicked out of politics entirely because he
is
> > personally UNWORTHY to hold elected office.
>
> Again. Write to Carl Rowe and try and convince Rowe to convince Bush
> to call Kerry a Traitor. Try and convince Rowe to use the most
> extreme rhetoric from Bush and in the ads as well.
Why should I ask anybody to do what *I* doing myself?
>
> >
> > And for destroying evidence of living POWS left behind, and for leading
the
> > cover up, Traitor Johnny OUGHT to go to prison.
>
> That has not been proved
Proof?
You go through life with your eyes wide shut.
>but its interesting that actions related to
> an event more than 30+ years seems far more important to you than the
> Bush administration
> misleading (and some would say even lying) the country to invade Iraq.
His past actions are indication of his future behavior.
In other words, once a traitor, ALWAYS a traitor. Would you like to see him
as President if your son or daughter were a POW, given the way he ratted out
the Vietnam POWS? Would you like to see him ABANDON another generation of
US military personal held in captivity?
Maybe YOU would, but I don't!
> Gee sure looks like you priotites are in line.
Not true.
My priorities are to insure that the American People know what a fucking
leftist traitor Traitor Johnny is -- so they DO NOT ELECT HIM. My priority
is to MAKE PUBLIC the past behaviors of Traitor Johnny. The truth will
make you free...even liberal toads like you.
Were you confused about this?
Did you think I have some other agenda???
The BEST candidate the Democrats had was Joe Lieberman. And so, you stupes
gave the nomination to Traitor Johnny.
>
> >
> > The only hypocrisy involved here is you stupids trying to pretend that
Kerry
> > should go to the White House instead of the BIG HOUSE for a term of hard
> > labor.
>
> Well that technically would not be hypocrisy but thanks for the phoney
> try. But
> PLEASE PLEASE TRY AND CONVINCE BUSH TO USE THE SAME RHETORIC THAT YOU
> USE. PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
Why?
He can speak for himself.
I speak for myself.
And judging from the howls of pain from you stupid fuckers, I'm succeeding
at making my point.
In fact, my local VFW and American Legion hall have read the same Schanberg
article (that I pointed out to them) and, boy, are they MAD at Kerry.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
> > > >
> > > > Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become
violent if
> > we
> > > > lose.
> > >
> > > violent?
> >
> > Yep. Your hatred of Bush WILL lead to violence when Bush is reelected.
> > You're frustration over losing is going to pop your corks. You children
> > *are* going to throw violent tantrums and you're gonna take to the
streets
> > in violent protest. That *is* a given.
> >
> > >What are you talking about? Do you remember the 2000
> > > election and Delay bringing in those out of state repubs to violently
> > > shutdown that recount?
> >
> > It never happened, liar.
>
> It did happen. Is your memory that poor?
Nope.
From an eyewitness account by Paul Gigot, editor of the editorial page of
the Wall Street Journal:
"With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the Miami-Dade
manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it sounded
from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be bad
enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties
to behave, well, like Democrats...
...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting "Three
Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago 1968,
but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is filling
out the complaint card at a Marriott."
[Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
>
> >
> > In fact, the "protest" (if that's what you can call a bunch of middle
aged
> > men in cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers milling about)
>
> what does cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers prove?
Read the entire story I've cited. Use the URL, clown, and read it.
>
> > was over DEMOCRATS
>
> DEMOCRATS? your the liar
No. YOU ARE the liar.
"With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the Miami-Dade
manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it sounded
from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be bad
enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties
to behave, well, like Democrats...
...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting "Three
Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago 1968,
but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is filling
out the complaint card at a Marriott."
[Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
>
> > carting away the ballots to be counted behind CLOSED DOORS in violation
of
> > law. Yep. YOU DEMOCRAPS tried to STEAL THE ELECTION and the Republicans
> > protested it.
>
> Its more likely the other way around.
Read the story for yourself.
>By the way I am not a
> registered democrat. I am a independent.
You're a liar.
>
>
>
> > Non-violently, in point of fact.
>
> No it was not. I remember what I saw.
Prove it.
Gigot who *WAS* there wrote:
"With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the Miami-Dade
manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it sounded
from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be bad
enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties
to behave, well, like Democrats...
...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting "Three
Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago 1968,
but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is filling
out the complaint card at a Marriott."
[Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
>
>
> > But certainly loudly enough
> > to keep the vote-counting in PUBLIC where by law it is supposed to be
done.
> >
> > > Right-wingers = violence
> >
> > Left-wing = TREASON and SEDITION.
>
> You would not know the defintion of TREASON and SEDITION IF YOUR LIFE
> dependent on it.
"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject
to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put
down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to
levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by
force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United
States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United
States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under
this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."
[18 USC 2384, "Seditious conspiracy"]
"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or
adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United
States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall
be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not
less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the
United States."
[18 USC 2381, "Treason"]
Note the part that says TRAITORS cannot hold any office under the United
States.
Were you confused by any of this?
>Oh and by the way what do you have to say about Joe
> Wilson's spy wife being outed by two senior bush administration
> officials?
Straw man arguments are the rufuge of morons who are losers. I do NOT
respond to straw men arguments.
>
> >And rank LYING!
That's YOU, toad. And further, YOU are in DENIAL!
>
> LYING = lying about sex and not real issue like for example matters of
> war
The only liar in this discussion is YOU.
>
> >
> > But you won't succeed -- your side is the one who believes in "gun
control,"
> > after all. And when you do try your Putsch, it'll fail and the rest of
us
> > will then be rid of you, forever.
>
> "rid of you", Forever. Gee what to explain what you mean there? Gee I
> think I see a some shades of your fuhrer hitler? Please explain. I
> want to here this.
Becuase when you leftists begin your Putsch post Bush's relection, I predict
that the little clutch of leftwing, Bush-hating howling monkeys posting here
will soon either be cooling down to room temperature or on the way to Marion
Federal Prison, charged with sedition and treason. Frankly, either would be
okay with a lot of us. Why? Because YOU WON'T be on the streets rioting.
YOU WON'T be dumping your lies and hate speech on the Internet. And YOU
WON'T be able to overthrow the government. And YOU WON'T be in power to set
policy. Not for decades.
> Deep within that twisted sick right-wing mind of yours, what do you
> secretly dream will become of us libs? Please don't hold back I want
> to see just what kind of violence you would like to be done to us?
I expect you people to try to overthrow the government, specifically to
somehow overturn the 2004 election if Bush is elected. I expect your
demonstrations to turn violent, even worse than Seattle's anti-globalization
riot. I expect many of you people to act out as domestic terrorists,
complete with bombs and guns, ala Ayres, Dohrn, Rudd, Flanagan, et. al., and
the SLA.
I expect the FBI to respond with force equivalent to the force YOU people
use, and I do (sorry to say) expect your side to use deadly force.
I expect a lot of you to go to jail or worse, given that it would be
sedition and treason during wartime.
We *will* be rid of you because your leadership and many of your "soldiers"
will be in prison. And your opinions *won't* matter.
>
> All this from a guy who claims its the libs who are violent.
Yep. You are. Seattle. Remember the riot?
>George
> is so stupid that he claims on one hand that are libs are violent then
> the next thing you know he is making a statement that seems like he is
> advocating mass slaugher of libs.
I've said no such thing.
I've just pointed out a few inconvenient facts to you turd-brains. I've
correctly identified you leftist scum for the people you are: Violent,
immature, "rule it or ruin it," punks and revolutionaries.
You *don't* have to revolt when Bush is reelected. But you will....it's
your nature.
>You would think someone would be at
> least smart enough to see the contradiction fairly quickly but not
> stupid George.
Now, what contradiction is that?
Let's see:
The vast majority of demonstrations that have become violent over the last 3
decades were organized by liberals.
With the exception of McVeigh at OK City, the last acts of domestic
terrorism were perpatrated by the Left, not the Right: The Unibomber, the
work of Ayers and Dohrn, the FALN, the bombing at the University of
Wisconsin, the destruction of buildings by arson at numerous universities.
Then there were the Seatle riots against "globalization." Did you forget
about them? Were they organized by CONSERVATIVES? Not hardly, stupe.
You people *ARE* violent when you don't get your way. And you are NOT going
to get your way in November.
>
> By the way. All of this is to be expected. How many times have we
> heard right-wingers on the net or on talk radio threaten to kill
> certain liberals or
> all liberals and these very same right-wing hypocrites accuse liberals
> of hate.
The truth does hurt, eh, leftist?
> unfucking believable.
Yawn.
I made my prediction. I hope it doesn't come to pass, but I bet it will if
Bush is reelected. Leftists ARE a violent group.
>
> your a right-wing fucking moron george.
And you're an shit-for-brained leftist. So?
Have ANOTHER nice conservative day, out of touch with the American people
and OUT OF POWER, FOREVER!
Mitchell Holman
> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>
>> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
>> very divisive vietnam war...
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> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's
> been
> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP
> for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
Perhaps Alder wasn't around in 1992 and 1996 when
the GOP made prior military service issue #1, comparing
Bush and Doles' "heroism" against Clinton. But now that
the Dems have a combat veteran on the ticket, military
service is no longer "relevent", it is "stale news".
Conservatives can be such frauds, you know?
Mitchell Holman
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier --
we have high confidence that they have weapons
of mass destruction. That is what this war was
about and it is about."
White House Press Briefing
April 10, 2003
Alan McIntire
> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> very divisive vietnam war
As I recall, it was Kennedy who got us deeply involved by agreeing to
the Ngu assassination, Johnson who expanded the war- A. McIntire
> Kerry ... at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> possible to get out of the war.
(crap cut)
You don't give a crap about service 30 years ago, else you'd have
supported Bush I , WWII navy, over Clinton, draft dodger, and Dole,
WWII infantryman, over Clinton, draft dodger. You're bringing up
Kerry's Vietnam War service in hopes that the mere fact of serving in
the military would deceive some stupid voters into picking him, in
spite of his long Senate record of being weak on defense. -A. McIntire
iev
George Grapman
Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> Perhaps Alder wasn't around in 1992 and 1996 when
> the GOP made prior military service issue #1, comparing
> Bush and Doles' "heroism" against Clinton. But now that
> the Dems have a combat veteran on the ticket, military
> service is no longer "relevent", it is "stale news".
Anal cyst Limbaugh spent 8 years whining about Clinton and the draft but he
recently said that it was time to put Vietnam behind us.
--
To reply via e-mail please delete one c from paccbell
Its GasherbrumAgain
Of course at least the b-1 bomber at the time kept on crashing. So
are you one of those hypocritical right-wingers that talk about pork
barrel spending for projects that don't work and believes that defense
pork is OK.
You fucking stupid right-winger. Name me the source. I am curious
what did you think of reagan supporing the right-wing fascist death
squads in El Savador? They were header by the notorious Roberto
D'ubosson who was an admirer of Adolf hitler and an anti-semite. He
was on the CIA payroll and trained at the school of Americas.
>
> In the 1980's, Traitor Johnny Kerry supported the SOVIET UNION's nuclear
> supremacy plan against the United States.
What do you mean he supported the USSR's nuclear supremacy plan? Give
a reliable source you right-wing nut.
> At the same time Traitor Johnny
> Kerry OPPOSED confronting the Soviet Union's attempt at blackmailing Europe
> with their new IRBM deployment.
What do you mean exactly by opposing the Soviet Union's attempt at
blackmailing Europe with their new IRBM deploymnet
>
> In 1991, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted -- twice -- to defense spending and
> transfer the money to fund more welfare slugs.
after the cold war and with economy not doing very well in the early
1990's, it made perfect sense to cut the military budget to some
degree. Its funny to people of your ilk bitch and complain about
welfare slugs but not complain about pork in the defense budget. How
about corporate welfare? Which cost more corporate welfare or the
kind of welfare you talk about?
>
> In 1992, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted to cut defense by $6 Billion.
>
> In 1993, Traitor Johnny Kerry VOTED AGAINST A MILITARY PAY RAISE!!
>
> In 1993, Traitor Johnny Kerry INTRODUCED legislation cut the number of Navy
> subs and their crews; reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force;
> terminate the Navy's coastal mine-hunting ship program; force the retirement
> of 60,000 members of the armed forces in one year; and reduce the number of
> light infantry units in the Army down to one.
>
> In 1995, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted to REDUCE the defense budget for 7 years
> by $34 Billion per year.
>
> In 1996 Traitor Johnny Kerry INTRODUCED a bill to cut defense by $6.5
> Billion.
>
> In 1996, when Clinton was going gung-ho in the Balkans with "Nation
> Building" using US troops, Traitor Johnny Kerry voted to freeze Defense for
> 7 years and transfer $34 Billion to support some more welfare slugs.
>
> If Traitor Johnny had his way, the Army would have no rifles, either; the
> Air Force would have only paper planes to fly; the Navy, only rubber duckies
> to sail; and the marines only their good looks to frighten terrorists with.
>
> If Traitor Johnny had his way, this nation would be DEFENSELESS!
>
> But that's what you "liberals" want -- a DEFENSELESS United States of
> America. One that will before to bow before the rest of the world, in
> subjugation. One that would have to "attone" for the "sins" YOU assholes
> believe America has committed.
>
> Had enough, pig?
Let me explain something moron. I don't know exactly what military
weapon systems he cut but how does it compare to other politicians.
For example Dick Cheney who is on record as cutint many programs in
the early 1990's. In fact lets compare Cheney and Kerry.
Kerry supported at least $6 billion in defense authorizations for the
Tomahawk.
Kerry backed at least $8.5 billion in defense authorizations for
Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
Kerry has supported at least $13 billion in defense authorizations on
versions of the Blackhawk.
As for Dick Cheney…
Cheney's defense budget was so pared-down that it didn't include any
funds for more Tomahawk missiles in 1991, despite stocks rapidly
diminished by the military action in the Persian Gulf.
- Washington Post, 2/5/91; Aerospace Daily, 1/23/91; AP, 6/20/90
"Major weapons killed include the Army's M-2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle,
the Navy's Trident submarine and F-14 aircraft, and the Air Force's
F-16 airplane. Cheney decided the military already has enough of these
weapons."
- Boston Globe, 2/5/91
"The Pentagon's internal budget deliberations recommended termination
of the Black Hawk program under Secretary Cheney."
-Aerospace Daily, 5/15/90
The Washington Post also did a nice job of debunking Cheney's attack
on Kerry on intelligence funding. Give it a read if you're interested
in hearing how much bigger the proposed Republican cut was, and how
Cheney distorted Kerry's actual record.
Cheney, Bush and their cronies are going to extravagant lengths to
paint Kerry as soft on defense. It's pure spin. Put side by side, he's
consistently stronger than Cheney.
But here's the bigger picture. Not only does Kerry come out better on
specific defense-related votes, he beats Bush on national security
because he wouldn't undercut our troops.
He wouldn't send them into unnecessary wars without help from allies,
or repeatedly cut combat pay, or slash veteran's health care, or
withhold needed equipment.
Bush is trying to distract us from the fact that he himself hasn't
supported the troops. Kerry has, does, and will.
Also republicans John McCain and Chuck Nagel have both said that Kerry
is not weak on defense.
>
> >
> >
> > Chickenshit.
>
> Traitor.
You would not know the term if your life dependent on it you
right-wing SOB!!
George Grapman
Alan McIntire wrote:
>
> As I recall, it was Kennedy who got us deeply involved by agreeing to
> the Ngu assassination, Johnson who expanded the war- A. McIntire
The assassination victim was Diem but you are correct. Don't forget that Nixon accomplished nothing by prolonging the war
for another 4 years and it was Nixon and Kissinger who agreed in 1972 that even though the war could no be won they would
appear to be weak if they signed a treaty before the election.
Jingo
wrote:
>gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in message news:<2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com>...
>> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
>> very divisive vietnam war
>
>As I recall, it was Kennedy who got us deeply involved by agreeing to
>the Ngu assassination, Johnson who expanded the war- A. McIntire
Then when JFK decide to pull us out he was shot in Dallas.
In 68 when Robert Kennedy ran on am anti-war platform he was shot in
Los Angeles.
So much for blesed be the peacemakers.
Jingo
Its GasherbrumAgain
behind all these attacks related to Kerry and vietnam.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/02/10/kerry_smear/index_np.html
Its GasherbrumAgain
>
> > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
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> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's been
> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP for
> making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
Thats bullshit. Name me specific quotes and times? Specifically name
one quote,
other than very very recently, where he attacked Bush's service or
lack of service?
>
> > ....even though you would think, if when it was
> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> > possible to get out of the war.
>
> No, he didn't. He volunteered for the NG. Are you saying NG people are
> draft dodgers or just cowards?
No but many joined the NG because they believed they would be able to
avoid combat. By the way do you think Bush has resolved his whole NG
controversey?
Many believe it still doe snot answer key questions.
>
> > Another chickenhawk? So what have
> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
>
> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone the
> severity of his wounds?
What are you talking about. He did release his records. Its bush
that still has some answering to do.
Eris
Grogan) wrote:
Which means he was in a war zone, were you?
Which means he was in combat, were you?
Which means he close to the V.C., were you?
Which means he was overwhelmed by the V.C., were you?
Why are you chickenhawks after men brave enough to fight?
Having your head dunked in the toilet too many times in high school?
What causes one to become a dittohead?
Alcoholic parents?
Divorce?
Sexual abuse as a child?
Victim of horrendous Child abuse?
I am curious.
CH
Eris <vith...@comcast.net> typed:
Just another victim of the liberal losers.....that's all...Probably has
liberal democratic parents like Rachel Corrie had before she killed herself
in the name of liberalism.
--
Cliff
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to
get its pants on."
Winston Churchill
Its GasherbrumAgain
I don't give a damn about both parties to tell you the truth. The
democratic party is the less of two bad choices.
>
> >
> >
> > > You can't stand to have the
> > > truth told, so you call those who oppose you "knuckle draggers."
> >
> > Oh yes its so true that Kerry was a traitor. Ya right. Prove to me
> > he was a traitor you moron.
>
> Try reading for comprehension, moron.
More irony. I will not waste explaining it through that thick skull
of yours.
>
> Of course, Kerry could be caught with bin Laden living in his basement and
> it STILL wouldn't convince you. Your mind's made up and you don't want to
> be confused by the facts.
Its the other way around. Hating liberals is a way for you
right-wingers to
> > >
> > > Ann Coulter was right when she wrote: "A central component of liberal
> hate
> > > speech is to make paranoid accusations based upon their own neurotic
> > > impulses...." ["Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right," p. 19]
> >
> > Ann coulter is a complete moron who specifically says far out
> > right-wing statements because she knows that morons like you will fall
> > for it. She is rich because idiots like you fall for her crap.
>
> Where as you, being a good little liberal Democrat, remain in denial.
What a comeback. Like I have said all ready. I am a registered
independent. You are a right-wing moron who the right-wing icons like
Coulter count on to get make herself rich.
>
> >
> > And who the hell is she to accuse liberals of hate speech?
>
> She's the one who put together a book with over 800 citations listing the
> ways you liberal toads lie and slander anybody to the right of Leon Trotsky.
> Did you ever read it?
Your moron. Her quotes have been totally debunked a 100 different
ways. She also a hypocrite. She talks about god and morality but
dates people like Penthouse publisher's son. You are a complete moron
in taking her stuff seriously.
>
> >She is the
> > same person that something to the affect that John Walker should be
> > executed because then liberals will know that they can be exectuted
> > anytime.
>
> Really?
>
> Wow, I hadn't read that.
Boy you are ignorant.
>
> Good for her. But I don't know if I share that exact sentiment. I just
> want to see liberals made impotent. I just want future generations to look
> back at this era as the one were the scourge of socialism and liberalism
> became obsolete.
Oh here we go again. Please define socialism for me and then prove
from that defintion that liberals are socialist and conservatives like
Bush are not.
>
> There is NOTHING wrong with that.
>
> >Another example of right-wing reverse propaganda to hide
> > their own hatefullness.
>
> Typical crap coming from a leftist moron who can't stand being confronted
> with his own perfidity.
Moron calling someone else a moron. More irony.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > How was he a traitor?
> > >
> > > He voted the Soviet line every time. His votes are *RECORDED* and are
> > > online if you look for them. I've already posted a list of THOSE votes
> in
> > > another post.
> >
> > Give me a fucking break. How did he vote the Soviet line every time?
> > What would be the Soviet line anyway you moron?
>
> Nuclear freeze, no upgrade of nuclear forces in Europe after the Soviets
> introduced new weapons, opposed research on a national missile defense. All
> well documented.
Show me the exact bills voted for and once again how is this the
soviet line? Are you implying that he voted for against that with the
mindsight of helping the soviets. You are full of shit.
> See "Useful Idiots, How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold
> War and Still Blame America First," Mona Charen, Regnery Publishing;
> (February 2003), ISBN: 0895261391
Ya Mona charen. A die hard right-winger.
>
>
> Here's an example of Kerry's toeing the Soviet line. The Soviet Union was
> strongly opposed to a national missile defense. They had a system, we
> didn't and that gave them an advantage that they did not want us to
> overcome. From "Useful Idiots:"
>
> "Senator John F. Kerry attempted to strangle SDI in the cradle in 1985,
> sponsoring a bill that would have frozen spending for the pro gram at $1.4
> billion. Kerry's amendment would further have forbidden experiments of any
> kind that would tend to undermine the "single most important arms-control
> treaty of our time." He was referring to the ABM treaty-a treaty that the
> Soviets had violated, and that liberals would continue to worship even after
> the Soviet Union had ceased to exist. The amendment was defeated 78 to 21."
> [p. 64]
SDI was a wastefull project. It was pure pork. Beyond that there is
a very stragetic reason why implementing something like SDI would be
very dangerous. Many believe, if implemented, that it would encourage
the soviets to launch a preemptive first strike.
>
> And there there are his repeated votes and bills to reduce the military and
> votes against almost every weapon system in our arsenal today. See
> citations elsewhere in this response for specifics.
Thats a lie. I documented weapons systems that he voted for and
cheney did not.
You decide not to talk about Cheney's thus showing what a hypocrite
you are.
>
> You mean you DIDN'T KNOW THIS?
You mean you did not know of his many systems he voted for and cheney
did not?
>
> Are you that STUPID?
Are you that stupid that you are taken byt right-wing propaganda and
you don't take into context of how other CONSERVATIVES have voted on
these systems?
>
> >
> > >
> > > He did the bidding of Hanoi in covering up the existance of living POWS
> left
> > > behind. In fact, he ordered the DESTRUCTION of evidence of live
> sightings.
> >
> > Show me proof?
>
> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
I all ready read that. Maybe its true but Kerry deserves to comment
on it
> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
>
> >
> > > Liberal Sydney Schanberg exposed
> >
> > List for me the issues Sydney Schanberg believes in that are liberal?
>
> Besides writing for the Village Voice, you mean?
That does not mean your a liberal. Christopher Hitchens wrote for the
Nation but has some very conservative beliefs.
>
> Here's one: He supported Pol Pot in the 70's.
LIAR!!!! What are you talking about you ignorant SOB!!. He was
absolutely opposed to Pol Pot. Where the hell did you get that?
>
> Feel free to study Schanberg's bio and report back to us. Good luck trying
> to "prove" he is a conservative.
Your such an idiot. Your the one that called him a liberal so the
burden of proof is on your shoulders not me. When did I say he was a
conservative? If someone is not a liberal you mean that must mean
they are a conservative? More illogic from intellectually inferior
George.
I know plenty about Schangerg. The movie the killing fields was based
on his and Dith Pran's expereiences in Cambodia
>
>
> >
> > > all that in a February article in that
> > > LEFTIST rag, The Village Voice (need the URL?). Over 500 men were left
> to
> > > die in chains because TRAITOR JOHNNY KERRY covered up their continued
> living
> > > existance. Traitor Johnny *is* Hanoi's favorite American son, after
> all.
> >
> > A traitor is someone that at least has to be convicted of giving vital
> > government secrets to a country which at the very least is hostile to
> > the US.
>
> Wrong, moron.
>
> "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war
> against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
> Article 3, Section 3, Paragraph 1, US Constitution.
And how the hell do you think it is determined when someone is
'consisting only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their
enemies, giving them aid and comfort"? You think someone just can be
accused of it you moron. No it has to be proved legally. By the way
since we did not declare war in Vietnam I wonder how that changes
things.
>
> Do you not understand the term "GIVING AID AND COMFORT," moron?
You are a complete idiot. Please explain exactly how he gave aid and
comfort. What was specifically the aid that he gave?
>
>
> > In most cases at war with.
>
> Not true.
>
>
> >If true this defintely would be
> > very damaging to Kerry's character but it does not fit the classic
> > defintion of a traitor.
>
> Kerry HAS no character: Flip-flop, Flip-flop.
First of all people have been defining a flip-flop incorrectly. If
someone believes in Postion A and then goes to the opposite belief to
position b that is not a flip-flop. That is just a flip. Is it
necessarily a bad thing to flip
on an issue? You mean you want your politicians to be inflexible and
not change positions at all? If this is the defintion of a flip-flop
then almost every politican would be guilty including Bush and if you
doubt that look at these tow links.
http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/bush-flip-flops.html
http://www.jamesglaser.org/2004/p20040406.html
A true flip flop is when a politician believes in postions a then
switches to the opposite position of a and then back to a again.
>
>
> > Also you say "over 500 men" were left. That
> > has not been proven.
>
> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
liar. None of those prove there over 50 men left. Hell where do you
they even mention a specific #.
>
>
> >You should have said "over 500 men have been
> > thought to have been left". Know one knows if or how many were left.
>
> http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
wrong again for reason all ready cited.
>
> > But I do agree than any coverup, if true, on Kerry's part is
> > revealing. Although with such an allegation, Anyone deserves to
> > rebut, explain or disprove such an allegation
>
> Feel free to ask him at his next campaign rally in your neighborhood.
>
> I predict he's say: "That's none of our business."
Feel free to ask Bush about his misleading the nation on iraq
about his flips on issues
about his natonal guard record
etc
etc
etc.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Further, he REPEATEDLY voted to eviscerate defense and the military.
> Again,
> > > I've already posted a list of THOSE votes.
> >
> > What a second. What would be proof that he eviscerate defense and the
> > military?
>
> His votes in the Senate. See the list that follows.
You did not understand the question moron. I am asking what would be
the criteria in determing if someone eviscerate defense and the
military? It just can't be simple votes against some military weapon
systems since conservatives
like Cheney and McCain have voted againt those also.
>
> > You mean a vote against any defense and military project means he is a
> > traitor?
>
> Kerry is not a traitor, necessarily, for his anti-military, anti-defense
> votes.
Your back-peddaling.
> Though the clear pattern of his votes is proof that he wants the
> United States disarmed. If Kerry had his way, the military would be unfit
> and unable to defend this country.
that is a lie. I show clearly some weapon systems that he has voted
for and compared that to the hawk Cheney.
>
> Kerry is a traitor for lying before the Senate in 1971,
That is not what traitor means you dumbfuck? Show me exactly where
the lie is?
>for slandering EVERY
> Vietnam veteran,
Show me the entire quote where he slanders *EVERY* vietnam veteran.
>for being a national director of VVAW,
You fool. As if the VVAW is proof of being a traitor. Yu have no
clue what the word traitor means. You are a typical right-wing nut.
> for participating in
> sedition: To wit, a vote on whether to assassinate 6 US Senators in Kansas
> City, in 1971.
What are you talking
>
> > So is Dick Cheney a traitor since he voted against many military
> > weapon systems?
>
> Nope.
>
> > So if a politician does not give in to every weapons system, no matter
> > how unreliable and expensive and how much it inflates the deficit,
> > then he is a traitor?
>
> Nope.
>
> >Your such a dumbass
>
> And you have the brains of week old dog turds. SO?
Once again an idiot like you insuling the intelligence of someone
else. What a moron you are.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
> Vietnam
> > > Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
> > > whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a
> vote
> > > on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is
> "misprison
> > > of treason."
> > >
> > > So besides *consistently* voting to aid and comfort our enemies,
> >
> > Your engaging in typical right-wing rhetoirc. What votes aided and
> > gave comfort to our enemies?
>
> Try reading for comprehension, stupid.
Your the one that clearly had the reading comprehension problem and
clearly did not understand my post on the Koppel show.
>
> "Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
> Vietnam
> Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
> whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a vote
> on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is "misprison
> of treason.""
Give me a break. Assuming this took place, Did he vote for yes on it?
Then you would have a point.
By the way. At least one of those photos showing Kerry with Jane
Fonda was a complete fraud so who credible your sources are.
>
>
> >By the way, if someone was against
> > Clinton using the military in Bosnia,Kosovo,Somalia and hati, are they
> > a traitor too?
> >
> > > Traitor
> > > Johnny PARTICPATED in open sedition.
> >
> > Exuse me but were we at war at the time of the alleged coverup? Have
> > you been listening to michael weiner?
>
> Who is Weiner?
He is a nationally syndicated talk show host from the bay area.
Michael Weiner is his real name. He used a phony last name on his
syndicated show. I will not give out the name he used on his show
because I don't want to help his ratings out.
>
> "Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
> Vietnam
> Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
> whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a vote
> on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is "misprison
> of treason.""
>
> Do you have trouble understanding that if you CONSPIRE to ASSASSINATE United
> States Senators that you are committing sedition (the overthrow of the
> United States Government by force) and Treason (making "war upon the United
> States")?
>
> Is this too fucking DEEP for a mental lightweight like you to understand?
Is it too fucking deep to understand that saying he voted whether or
not to assinate 6 republicans US senators is not sedition and treason.
Assuming that really took place . Where did you get this info?
>
> >
> >
> > > That's besides participating in an
> > > organization that marched under the NVA and VC flags (pictures of this
> are
> > > online).
> >
> > What organization marched under the NVA and VC flags?
>
> The Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- he was a national director.
>
> >When was this
> > and did he know it at the time? Please provide solid evidence from a
> > reliable source.
>
> Photos archived at:
> http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/vc_flg_cap.jpg
> http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/vc_flag_protesta.jpg
>
> Kerry's sedition:
>
> http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/03/12&ID=Ar00100
> http://www.starbanner.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040424/ZNYT02/404240311/1009/BUSINESS
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110004881
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37706
> University of Florida Oral History Archive, October 20, 1992
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37646
Ah yes worlnetdailey. These are all far-right rags. They have got no
crediblility and only appeal to far-right loons like yourself.
the vietnam war was an immoral and unjustified war. The government
can't always be trusted to make the right descions. Being a
conservative I thought you understood that? The goverment has always
has to answer to the people.
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-000077642sep28.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dcomment%2Dopinions
>
> This war, you leftist slugs are NOT getting a "pass."
Wrong moron. The funny thing is that you clearly think that this war
is a conservative war but actually it is not. Read Pat Buchanan's
"were a republic not an empire" to see why.
>You are going to be
> confronted with your treason.
Its not treason but as much as you think I will be confronted with
'treason" as god is my witness YOU WILL BE CONFRONTED WITH YOUR
FASCISM. YOU WILL PAY!!
>
> >
> > >
> > > >Once again it sure is interesting. Kerry was a
> > > > decorated war hero despite what you contemptible and dispicable
> > > > right-wingers say.
> > >
> > > Hey, stupid. The issue isn't his MILITARY service. It's his ANTI-WAR
> > > activism and ANTI-US VOTES as an elected official that is at issue.
> >
> > Hey stupid. It is his partically his military service because the
> > right-wing now is trying to discredit his medals.
>
> I'm not. Did you have trouble understanding the phrase: "The issue isn't
> his MILITARY service...." It means that the issue IS NOT his military
> service. Sheeesh!
>
> >As for this
> > anti-war activism. Why is anti-war activism is and of itself a
> > negative?
>
> "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war
> against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
and of course anti-war activity in and of itself is none of that. It
could be.
>
> Read what former Senator and former POW Jerimiah Denton said about Kerry's
> anti-war activities as it related to his captivity.
Read what John McCain thinks of Kerry.
>
> "Knowing that I served in the U.S. Senate with John Kerry and that, like
> him, I am a veteran of the Vietnam War, many people have asked me what I
> think of him, particularly now that he's the apparent presidential nominee
> of the Democratic Party.
>
> When Kerry joined me in the Senate, I already knew about his record of
> defamatory remarks and behavior criticizing U.S. policy in Vietnam and the
> conduct of our military personnel there. I had learned in North Vietnamese
> prisons how much harm such statements caused.
>
> To me, his remarks and behavior amounted to giving aid and comfort to our
> Vietnamese and Soviet enemies. So I was not surprised when his subsequent
> overall voting pattern in the Senate was consistently detrimental to our
> national security."
>
> Former Senator and Former POW Jerimiah Denton, Mobile Register, March 10,
> 2004, archived at:
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12521
>
> Is that clear enough for you, stupid?
>
> >Was anti-war activism during Clinton's Kosovo/Bosnia,
> > Somailia or Hati campaign OK?
>
> There wasn't any, because it was a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT'S war -- Clinton's war.
> The anti-war traitors ONLY come out to play when a REPUBLCIAN goes to war.
there was anti-war activism. Granted not like in vietan but the same
right-wing hypocrites like yourself that bitch about kerry's anti-war
sentiment now show how hypocritical they are when they don't call
anti-war sentiment during Clinton's tenure traitors. Yoyr hypocrisy
is disgusting.
>
> >Anti-US votes? What would be anti-US
> > votes? What would you define as a anti-US vote? Any vote that
> > goes against your right-wing agenda?
>
> Any vote in Congress that diminishes the national security of the United
> States of America is a anti-US vote.
So that would mean any vote against any weapon system? So if you would
have your way you vote for any weapon system no matter if it works or
not and no matter how much expensive it is and no matter how much it
puts us into a deficit?
You all ready posted all that. And how many of the above did
conservative politicians vote against also? So I guess according to
you Cheney is anti-aemrican?
There you go again.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Why do you toads think you can use his military service to shield
> *THREE*
> > > *DECADES* of fucking over the Military,
> >
> > Fucking over the military? What exactly would be fucking over the
> > military? Give me an example.
>
> See above list.
>
> If Kerry had his way, the Army would have no rifles, either; the Air Force
> would have only paper planes to fly; the Navy, only rubber duckies to sail;
> and the marines only their good looks to frighten terrorists with.
>
> If Kerry had his way, this nation would be DEFENSELESS!
Thats a typical lie. I cited weapon systems Kerry voted for. Repubs
Chuck Nagel and John McCain disagree with you also.
>
>
> >
> > >of sucking up to every Communist
> > > dictator on the planet,
> >
> > Ok now your once again talking like an idiot foaming at the mouth
> > right-winger.
> > Give me some examples of him sucking up to every communist dictator?
>
> Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro. See above.
Those are not every communist dictator on the planet and he did
nothing for the sake of sucking up to them you idiot.
>
> >
> > >and his acts of sedition?
> >
> > You have no proof of that. Please provide evidence from some reliable
> > source.
> > Anyone can get any discredited information from any kind of luny
> > website out there.
>
> See above.
That was no proof.
>
> >
> > > It isn't going to work
> > > because Kerry has a VOTING RECORD that has been pro-Communist and
> > > anti-military across the board.
> >
> > Gaad. You are a right-wing nut. You show me the voting record that
> > proves he was pro-communist.
>
> I just did. He voted the Soviet's way. He's consistently voted AGAINST the
> military and the national defense.
No he did not. He failed to show the systems he did vote for and the
ones cheney voted against and yet do you say the same thing to cheney?
>
> >
> >
> > >And the FBI records of his Kansas City
> > > deeds are now public knowledge.
> > >
> > > Do you know that in the 90's, when a resolution was offered to condemn
> Fidel
> > > Castro for his treatment of his people, KERRY voted against it? Sheesh!
> > >
> > > >Bush on the other hand avoided combat.
> > >
> > > Yet, under George W. Bush, *TERRORISM* had dropped 45% since 2001. In
> fact,
> > > it's the lowest it's been since 1969. That's what is important, given
> that
> > > the Islamofucks are trying to murder ALL of us -- even you.
> >
> > Like that is a response that disproves my statement "Bush on the other
> > hand avoided combat". Lowest since 1969? HMMMM? That leads me to
> > wonder what study
> > you are citing.
>
> Cited as "Patterns of Global Terrorism-2003," Office of the Coordinator for
> Counterterrorism, US Department of State, April 29, 2004,
> http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/31569.htm
The reason I ask is that in 1969 there was not terrorism against the
US of the type that the US has experienced from islamic types the last
25 years. So I was interested in how the study defined terrorism
which that link does not address
>
>
> >But please, its after 911. It does not matter who
> > would be president after 911, actual terrorism inside the US would
> > drop due to unprecident new measures that would be in place even if
> > Bush was not president despite what right-winger like you have said.
>
> If ALGORE were President, bin Laden would be moving into the White House --
> in the fomer Lincoln Bedroom (which would be renamed ("Allah's Heaven on
> Earth" in his honor) -- as a permanent guest.\
>
> And you'd be praying facing Mecca 5 times a day -- or you'd be dead.
Ya ya. All of this type of rhetoric can be expected from a right-wing
nut like you. Look even rational conservative commentators like Pat
Buchanan don't deny that.
By the way when Clinton did respons in someway in 1998 what did
right-wing hypocrites like you say? You said wag the dog. Of course
did Reagan respond
to the 1983 marine barracks bombing in lebanon. No. In fact what did
the Reagan administration do? They conspired with Iran which was the
country that backed the Hizzbollah terrorist organization that bombed
the marines in 1983.
Did you call the Reagan administration treasonous?
>
> >
> > But on the flip side, the war on Iraq has now recrutied thousands of
> > new recuits
> > that want to fight the US. Hosni Mubarek says that anti-american
> > sentiment is at an all time high.
>
> So?
>
> Fuck 'em.
>
> Do you REALLY think that the people who danced in the streets when the World
> Trade Center collapsed were EVER our pals? Do you really think that the
> same people who shouted "Allak Akbar" on 9/11/01 somehow were NOT our
> enemies already?
>
> You *are* a stupid clown and a moron.
You stupid fucking moron. There will always be the fanatics that will
hate us. I am not talking about them. I am talking about the
moderates who because of this war in iraq want to be the next
generation of terrorist. So? What an idiot you are and you call me a
moron?
So this guy is comparing it to fighting missions in vietnam? this guy
is supposed to be credible?
>
> ...While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar
> games with Hanoi Jane Fonda,
Ya and with that remark we know this guy is hardly objective. Does he
know at least one of those pics was a fraud?
>we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who
> knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North
> Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in
> showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the
> first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and
> Iraq.
>
> It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of
> Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they
> were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen -
> then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to
> serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that
> Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators
> and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.
>
> In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are
> starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before disaster
> strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to
> slander the Guard: Knock it off.
actually please provide a quote where Kerry slandered the guard.
>
> COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired), U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard, Herndon,
> Va." [archived at http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040210-082910-8424r.htm]
>
>
>
>
> >Many went into the national guard because they believed
> > it was likely they would avoid combat. That coupled with his probablr
> > belief that the Vietnam war was right would make hime a classic
> > chickenhawk.
>
> Liar.
>
> See above.
>
> FLYING HIGH PERFORMANCE JETS IS A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY. Especially the F-102.
I said avoid combat. Did you get that?
>
> >
> > By the way his so called service in the national guard still has not
> > been totally cleared up.
>
> Only in mind that have shit for brains. Does that include you?
don't know moron. You have to stop this pattern of sayin stupid
things and then accusing someone else of being stupid. I mean its
just too silly.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >So who do
> > > > you so called 'patriotic' right-wingers bash? You bash Kerry instead
> > > > of Bush. What a bunch of hypocrites.
> > >
> > > Because TRAITOR JOHNNY deserves to be bashed.
> >
> > Your dispicable and contemptous but typical right-winger.
>
> Fuck you, too.
>
> >People of
> > your ilk
> > love wallowing in your hatred. You love sinking into the depths of
> > new lows even if it means bringing back the very divisive vietnam war.
>
> Fuck you, too.
Well you did not deny it.
>
> >
> > >
> > > His *3* DECADES of anti-US actions DESERVE to be EXPOSED.
> >
> > Of course everyone knows that anti-US in your mind equates to anti
> > right-wing beliefs.
>
> You're a lying pig. Happy?
what a response.
>
> >
> > >
> > > The American people deserve to know the depths of Traitor Johnny's
> actions
> > > AGAINST his own country as an elected official as well as an anti-war
> > > "protester" (who got his instructions from Hanoi and whose cause he
> served
> > > as a US Senator).
> >
> > Hey idiot. Let me tell you something. If you, and your fellow
> > right-wing repubs, are dumb enough to make this an issue that PLEASE
> > PLEASE PRESS ON HARD because it will sink Bush's poll #'s lower and
> > lower. You see most people in the US will see it for what it is. A
> > vicious partisian attack related to a very divisive event more than
> > 30+ years that the VAST VAST majority of people would rather forget.
> > But hey if you guys are dumb enough, then PLEASE PRESS FORWARD HARD.
> > In fact could you please convince Bush to call Kerry a traitor to his
> > country. Please convince Bush to use the most extreme rhetoric
> > possible.
>
> Yawn.
>
> KERRY LIED AND US POWS DIED!
Not proven but Please get bush to use your rhetoric. Please.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Traitor Johnny deserves to be kicked out of politics entirely because he
> is
> > > personally UNWORTHY to hold elected office.
> >
> > Again. Write to Carl Rowe and try and convince Rowe to convince Bush
> > to call Kerry a Traitor. Try and convince Rowe to use the most
> > extreme rhetoric from Bush and in the ads as well.
>
> Why should I ask anybody to do what *I* doing myself?
Because not enough people out there can here this kind of rhetoric.
It will do wonders in killing any support for BUSH.
>
> >
> > >
> > > And for destroying evidence of living POWS left behind, and for leading
> the
> > > cover up, Traitor Johnny OUGHT to go to prison.
> >
> > That has not been proved
>
> Proof?
I am not aware of Kerry been convicted under anything related to this.
If so prove me wrong.
>
> You go through life with your eyes wide shut.
>
>
> >but its interesting that actions related to
> > an event more than 30+ years seems far more important to you than the
> > Bush administration
> > misleading (and some would say even lying) the country to invade Iraq.
>
> His past actions are indication of his future behavior.
>
> In other words, once a traitor, ALWAYS a traitor.
Of course despite your claim, Kerry is not a traitor. You clearl
don't know
the defintion of traitor.
> Would you like to see him
> as President if your son or daughter were a POW, given the way he ratted out
> the Vietnam POWS? Would you like to see him ABANDON another generation of
> US military personal held in captivity?
Go ask repubs Chuck Nagel and John McCain any of these questons.
After all John McCain was a POW and look what Bush did to him in the
2000 campaign?
>
> Maybe YOU would, but I don't!
>
> > Gee sure looks like you priotites are in line.
>
> Not true.
>
> My priorities are to insure that the American People know what a fucking
> leftist traitor Traitor Johnny is
Go ahead then. Try and make your views as public as possible by using
the exact same rhetoric that you are using now moron. What country
will Bush blindly lead us to war with next? How will he mislead us
again?
> -- so they DO NOT ELECT HIM. My priority
> is to MAKE PUBLIC the past behaviors of Traitor Johnny. The truth will
> make you free...even liberal toads like you.
Even if it means distorting and lying about his record?
>
> Were you confused about this?
nope but your premises on Kerry of course are incorrect and your
inference
you try and do are incorrect.
>
> Did you think I have some other agenda???
You are
>
> The BEST candidate the Democrats had was Joe Lieberman.
He was tied into accounting scandal and was for the unjustified war in
iraq.
> And so, you stupes
> gave the nomination to Traitor Johnny.
>
> >
> > >
> > > The only hypocrisy involved here is you stupids trying to pretend that
> Kerry
> > > should go to the White House instead of the BIG HOUSE for a term of hard
> > > labor.
> >
> > Well that technically would not be hypocrisy but thanks for the phoney
> > try. But
> > PLEASE PLEASE TRY AND CONVINCE BUSH TO USE THE SAME RHETORIC THAT YOU
> > USE. PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
>
> Why?
>
> He can speak for himself.
>
> I speak for myself.
come on if you are so confident in your message why don't you go for
it?
>
> And judging from the howls of pain from you stupid fuckers, I'm succeeding
> at making my point.
Lets get one thing very clear. You accuse me and others of being
stupid.
YOU ARE THE DUMB ONE. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT COULD NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND
A SIMPLE PARAGRAPH RELATED TO THE KOPPEL SHOW.
>
> In fact, my local VFW and American Legion hall have read the same Schanberg
> article (that I pointed out to them) and, boy, are they MAD at Kerry.
will they ask for clarification from Kerry?
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become
> violent if
> we
> > > > > lose.
> > > >
> > > > violent?
> > >
> > > Yep. Your hatred of Bush WILL lead to violence when Bush is reelected.
> > > You're frustration over losing is going to pop your corks. You children
> > > *are* going to throw violent tantrums and you're gonna take to the
> streets
> > > in violent protest. That *is* a given.
> > >
> > > >What are you talking about? Do you remember the 2000
> > > > election and Delay bringing in those out of state repubs to violently
> > > > shutdown that recount?
> > >
> > > It never happened, liar.
> >
> > It did happen. Is your memory that poor?
>
> Nope.
>
> From an eyewitness account by Paul Gigot, editor of the editorial page of
> the Wall Street Journal:
who is a conservative.
>
> "With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the Miami-Dade
> manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it sounded
> from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be bad
> enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties
> to behave, well, like Democrats...
>
> ...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting "Three
> Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago 1968,
> but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is filling
> out the complaint card at a Marriott."
listen buddy. I don't need to hear some conservatives take on what
happended. I saw it with my own eyes. I saw them pushing and shoving
people and waving their fist. They were not all 50-year old guys.
Come on give me a break. You mean 50 year olds can't get violent.
>
> [Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > In fact, the "protest" (if that's what you can call a bunch of middle
> aged
> > > men in cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers milling about)
> >
> > what does cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers prove?
>
> Read the entire story I've cited. Use the URL, clown, and read it.
What does reading that url have to do with my question. Answer my
question?
>
> >
> > > was over DEMOCRATS
> >
> > DEMOCRATS? your the liar
>
> No. YOU ARE the liar.
>
> "With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the Miami-Dade
> manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it sounded
> from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be bad
> enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties
> to behave, well, like Democrats...
>
> ...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting "Three
> Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago 1968,
> but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is filling
> out the complaint card at a Marriott."
>
> [Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
where was the proof?
>
>
> >
> > > carting away the ballots to be counted behind CLOSED DOORS in violation
> of
> > > law. Yep. YOU DEMOCRAPS tried to STEAL THE ELECTION and the Republicans
> > > protested it.
> >
> > Its more likely the other way around.
>
> Read the story for yourself.
>
> >By the way I am not a
> > registered democrat. I am a independent.
>
> You're a liar.
Yes I am and your in denial. I never voted for clinton.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > Non-violently, in point of fact.
> >
> > No it was not. I remember what I saw.
>
> Prove it.
>
> Gigot who *WAS* there wrote:
>
> "With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the Miami-Dade
> manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it sounded
> from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be bad
> enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès ties
> to behave, well, like Democrats...
>
> ...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting "Three
> Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago 1968,
> but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is filling
> out the complaint card at a Marriott."
>
> [Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
You all ready showed that and that does not prove anything.
And none of that Kerry has done you moron.
>
>
> >Oh and by the way what do you have to say about Joe
> > Wilson's spy wife being outed by two senior bush administration
> > officials?
>
> Straw man arguments are the rufuge of morons who are losers. I do NOT
> respond to straw men arguments.
No remember you are the one that engages in strawman arguementation
(once again the Koppel show). But it is related. They outed a spy
that was currently working in Iraq. Your response shows what a
hypocrite you are.
>
>
> >
> > >And rank LYING!
>
> That's YOU, toad. And further, YOU are in DENIAL!
FUCKOFF. You are a liar and a retard.
>
> >
> > LYING = lying about sex and not real issue like for example matters of
> > war
>
> The only liar in this discussion is YOU.
Its you and the rest of your ilk that spouts tiresome right-wing
cliches.
>
> >
> > >
> > > But you won't succeed -- your side is the one who believes in "gun
> control,"
> > > after all. And when you do try your Putsch, it'll fail and the rest of
> us
> > > will then be rid of you, forever.
> >
> > "rid of you", Forever. Gee what to explain what you mean there? Gee I
> > think I see a some shades of your fuhrer hitler? Please explain. I
> > want to here this.
>
> Becuase when you leftists begin your Putsch post Bush's relection, I predict
> that the little clutch of leftwing, Bush-hating howling monkeys posting here
> will soon either be cooling down to room temperature or on the way to Marion
> Federal Prison, charged with sedition and treason.
Oh so bush hating = sedition treason. Gee now we know your fascist
anti-constitutional mindset.
> Frankly, either would be
> okay with a lot of us. Why? Because YOU WON'T be on the streets rioting.
> YOU WON'T be dumping your lies and hate speech on the Internet.
hate speech? Give me a break. You hate the constitution don't you
george? You love fascism don't you george?
> And YOU
> WON'T be able to overthrow the government. And YOU WON'T be in power to set
> policy. Not for decades.
liar. You mention Gun control and then you say "rid of you forever".
It was clear what you meant.
>
> > Deep within that twisted sick right-wing mind of yours, what do you
> > secretly dream will become of us libs? Please don't hold back I want
> > to see just what kind of violence you would like to be done to us?
>
> I expect you people to try to overthrow the government, specifically to
> somehow overturn the 2004 election if Bush is elected. I expect your
> demonstrations to turn violent, even worse than Seattle's anti-globalization
> riot. I expect many of you people to act out as domestic terrorists,
> complete with bombs and guns, ala Ayres, Dohrn, Rudd, Flanagan, et. al., and
> the SLA.
You are a complete nut. If there is any side that will try and
overturn the election it will be yours.
>
> I expect the FBI to respond with force equivalent to the force YOU people
> use, and I do (sorry to say) expect your side to use deadly force.
>
> I expect a lot of you to go to jail or worse, given that it would be
> sedition and treason during wartime.
>
> We *will* be rid of you because your leadership and many of your "soldiers"
> will be in prison. And your opinions *won't* matter.
Ya right. Why did you bring up gun-control in this context? It was
clear you meant to shoot liberals.
>
> >
> > All this from a guy who claims its the libs who are violent.
>
> Yep. You are. Seattle. Remember the riot?
Yep remember Florida?
>
> >George
> > is so stupid that he claims on one hand that are libs are violent then
> > the next thing you know he is making a statement that seems like he is
> > advocating mass slaugher of libs.
>
> I've said no such thing.
Thats not the implication I got. "get rid of them forever". Then you
use the term
>
> I've just pointed out a few inconvenient facts to you turd-brains. I've
> correctly identified you leftist scum for the people you are: Violent,
> immature, "rule it or ruin it," punks and revolutionaries.
Just listen to your ranting endlessly about communists and traitoes
and you call us immature and violent? How many times have I heard
some right-winger calling for killing liberals especially in the
1990's.
>
> You *don't* have to revolt when Bush is reelected. But you will....it's
> your nature.
>
> >You would think someone would be at
> > least smart enough to see the contradiction fairly quickly but not
> > stupid George.
>
> Now, what contradiction is that?
contradiction in accusing the other side of violence but then wishing
violence
on a group?
>
> Let's see:
>
> The vast majority of demonstrations that have become violent over the last 3
> decades were organized by liberals.
Prove it>
>
> With the exception of McVeigh at OK City, the last acts of domestic
> terrorism were perpatrated by the Left, not the Right: The Unibomber, the
> work of Ayers and Dohrn, the FALN, the bombing at the University of
> Wisconsin, the destruction of buildings by arson at numerous universities.
and of course none of those leftist terrorist where even close to
Mcveigh.
>
> Then there were the Seatle riots against "globalization." Did you forget
> about them? Were they organized by CONSERVATIVES? Not hardly, stupe.
That was not domestic terrorism?
>
> You people *ARE* violent when you don't get your way.
No its you peole that are violent. Threatening to kill liberals and
kill clinton.
>And you are NOT going
> to get your way in November.
Well we will see about that.
>
> >
> > By the way. All of this is to be expected. How many times have we
> > heard right-wingers on the net or on talk radio threaten to kill
> > certain liberals or
> > all liberals and these very same right-wing hypocrites accuse liberals
> > of hate.
>
> The truth does hurt, eh, leftist?
You would not know that truth if it smacked you in the face.
>
>
> > unfucking believable.
>
> Yawn.
>
> I made my prediction. I hope it doesn't come to pass, but I bet it will if
> Bush is reelected. Leftists ARE a violent group.
How many times a day do you dream of killing some liberal?
Michael Ejercito
> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>
>
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> | |_) | | | || | | |_ | | | |\/| | |_| | | | || |
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>
> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's been
> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP for
> making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
statements about the Winter Soldier tribunal.
Michael
Jim Alder
news:vfv990hf6v93bdpvq...@4ax.com:
> On 2 May 2004 06:24:24 -0700, maynardgk...@hotmail.com (Harry
> Grogan) wrote:
>
>>Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message
>>news:<Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44>...
>>> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
>>> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>>>
>>>Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone the
>>> severity of his wounds?
>>
>> Because his major "wound" is the one received in his buttocks while
>>RUNNING from the V.C!!
>
> You neo-clowns really should start using lies that aren't so easy to
> disprove:
We learned it from the neo-libbies.
A 1971 evaluation described Bush as "an exceptionally fine young officer"
with "sound judgment" who "is mature beyond his age and experience level."
Bush "is a natural leader but he is also a good follower of military
discipline," it said. A 1970 letter recommending him for a promotion from
second to first lieutenant called him "a dynamic outstanding young officer"
who "clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." Bush, it
said, "is a tenacious competitor and an aggressive pilot."
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Jim Alder
> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message
> news:<Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44>...
>> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
>> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>>
>> > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to
>> > the very divisive vietnam war...
>>
>> ____ ___ _____________ __ __ ___ ___ __
>> | _ \ / _ \_ _| ___| | | \/ |/ _ \ / _ \ | |
>> | |_) | | | || | | |_ | | | |\/| | |_| | | | || |
>> | _ <| |_| || | | _| | |___| | | | _ | |_| |\__/
>> |_| \_\\___/ |_| |_| |_____|_| |_|_| |_|\___/ 00
>>
>> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's
>> been
>> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
>> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the
>> GOP for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>
> Thats bullshit. Name me specific quotes and times? Specifically name
> one quote,
Why? You're obviously deaf AND illiterate if you haven't heard him
belabor the point of his four months in Viet Nam.
> other than very very recently, where he attacked Bush's service or
> lack of service?
>
>>
>> > ....even though you would think, if when it was
>> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
>> > possible to get out of the war.
>>
>> No, he didn't. He volunteered for the NG. Are you saying NG people
>> are draft dodgers or just cowards?
>
> No but many joined the NG because they believed they would be able to
> avoid combat. By the way do you think Bush has resolved his whole NG
> controversey?
Yep.
> Many believe it still doe snot answer key questions.
Many will continue to believe it no matter what is shown to them.
And what is "doe snot"? Some redneck deer hunter thing?
>> > Another chickenhawk? So what have
>> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did
>> > not deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
>>
>> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone the
>> severity of his wounds?
>
> What are you talking about. He did release his records.
No he didn't. Or maybe he did but then he didn't. I lost track. Actually
I think he SAID he would until someone took him up on the offer, then he
said he had already released all that he was going to.
> Its bush that still has some answering to do.
Like you'd listen.
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Jim Alder
news:Xns94DD6C413...@216.148.227.77:
> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44:
>
>> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
>> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>>
>>> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
>>> very divisive vietnam war...
>>
>> ____ ___ _____________ __ __ ___ ___ __
>> | _ \ / _ \_ _| ___| | | \/ |/ _ \ / _ \ | |
>> | |_) | | | || | | |_ | | | |\/| | |_| | | | || |
>> | _ <| |_| || | | _| | |___| | | | _ | |_| |\__/
>> |_| \_\\___/ |_| |_| |_____|_| |_|_| |_|\___/ 00
>>
>> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's
>> been
>> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
>> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP
>> for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>
> Perhaps Alder wasn't around in 1992 and 1996 when
> the GOP made prior military service issue #1, comparing
> Bush and Doles' "heroism" against Clinton.
I guess I wasn't. As I remember it, they made an issue of Clinton lying
to a family friend so he could dodge the draft by pretending to want to
join ROTC. I recall the issue of his loathing the military. Is THAT what
you refer to?
But now that
> the Dems have a combat veteran on the ticket, military
> service is no longer "relevent", it is "stale news".
>
> Conservatives can be such frauds, you know?
>
>
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
> "But make no mistake -- as I said earlier --
> we have high confidence that they have weapons
> of mass destruction. That is what this war was
> about and it is about."
> White House Press Briefing
> April 10, 2003
>
>
>
>
>
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Docky Wocky
Just as far as the Democrats would go, if they had the money.
Eris
wrote:
>Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in
>news:Xns94DD6C413...@216.148.227.77:
>
>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44:
>>
>>> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
>>> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
>>>
>>>> OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
>>>> very divisive vietnam war...
>>>
>>> ____ ___ _____________ __ __ ___ ___ __
>>> | _ \ / _ \_ _| ___| | | \/ |/ _ \ / _ \ | |
>>> | |_) | | | || | | |_ | | | |\/| | |_| | | | || |
>>> | _ <| |_| || | | _| | |___| | | | _ | |_| |\__/
>>> |_| \_\\___/ |_| |_| |_____|_| |_|_| |_|\___/ 00
>>>
>>> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's
>>> been
>>> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
>>> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP
>>> for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>>
>> Perhaps Alder wasn't around in 1992 and 1996 when
>> the GOP made prior military service issue #1, comparing
>> Bush and Doles' "heroism" against Clinton.
>
Clinton used his political smarts to avoid the draft. The Texas
Souffle sat on his ass and let his daddy do all of the work.
There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him for one day.
Teach a man to pray for fish and he will die of starvation.
Mitchell Holman
Yes, the conservative myth about Clinton
loathing the military was debunked about the
same time as the "Clinton burned the flag in
Red Square" kneeslapper, as I recall. And as
for never-spent-a-day-in-uniform Cheney daring
to question the combat honors earned by Kerry,
well, the less said the better, it seems.
Mitchell Holman
"I had other priorities than serving in the military"
Dick Cheney, regarding his multiple draft deferments. The
men who were drafted in his place could not be reached
regarding whether THEY had "other priorities" in THEIR lives.
Its GasherbrumAgain
Cite me the quotes, other than one he just made a couple of days ago,
that show Kerry speecifically beating up on his Bush record?
Jim Alder
news:NsednaN3wKE...@adelphia.com:
Yeah, not a whole lot of satisfaction from those questions, eh?
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Jim Alder
Oh, it's a 'myth' now? What a convenient little dream world you live in
Mitch. Play the semantic bullshit game for ten years or so and finally the
whole thing becomes a 'myth.'
> ...about the
> same time as the "Clinton burned the flag in
> Red Square" kneeslapper, as I recall.
I don't recall that one at all, but who knows what kind of things were
dredged up? You saying it was debunked means nothing.
> And as
> for never-spent-a-day-in-uniform Cheney daring
> to question the combat honors earned by Kerry,
> well, the less said the better, it seems.
The day you adopt THAT rule will be the day.
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Its GasherbrumAgain
> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
> news:2535b750.0405...@posting.google.com:
>
> > Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message
> > news:<Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44>...
> >> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
> >> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >> > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to
> >> > the very divisive vietnam war...
> >>
> >> ____ ___ _____________ __ __ ___ ___ __
> >> | _ \ / _ \_ _| ___| | | \/ |/ _ \ / _ \ | |
> >> | |_) | | | || | | |_ | | | |\/| | |_| | | | || |
> >> | _ <| |_| || | | _| | |___| | | | _ | |_| |\__/
> >> |_| \_\\___/ |_| |_| |_____|_| |_|_| |_|\___/ 00
> >>
> >> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's
> >> been
> >> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
> >> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the
> >> GOP for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
> >
> > Thats bullshit. Name me specific quotes and times? Specifically name
> > one quote,
>
> Why? You're obviously deaf AND illiterate if you haven't heard him
> belabor the point of his four months in Viet Nam.
Your a liar. You can't point to one quote, other than very recently,
where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard service. Sure some
in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron!!
>
> > other than very very recently, where he attacked Bush's service or
> > lack of service?
> >
> >>
> >> > ....even though you would think, if when it was
> >> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> >> > possible to get out of the war.
> >>
> >> No, he didn't. He volunteered for the NG. Are you saying NG people
> >> are draft dodgers or just cowards?
> >
> > No but many joined the NG because they believed they would be able to
> > avoid combat. By the way do you think Bush has resolved his whole NG
> > controversey?
>
> Yep.
many would be beg to differ with you.
>
> > Many believe it still doe snot answer key questions.
>
> Many will continue to believe it no matter what is shown to them.
And many will continue to believe Kerry is a traitor no matter what.
And many will believe that Saddam had somethign to do with 911. Are
you one of those morons?
>
> And what is "doe snot"? Some redneck deer hunter thing?
its called a typo you petty stupid SOB!!
>
> >> > Another chickenhawk? So what have
> >> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did
> >> > not deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> >>
> >> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone the
> >> severity of his wounds?
> >
> > What are you talking about. He did release his records.
>
> No he didn't. Or maybe he did but then he didn't. I lost track. Actually
> I think he SAID he would until someone took him up on the offer, then he
> said he had already released all that he was going to.
I am fairly certain he released his military records. All of them.
>
> > Its bush that still has some answering to do.
>
> Like you'd listen.
FUCKOFF!!
George
> >
> > In 1984, Traitor Johnny Kerry said the Comandante Daniel Ortega was a
> > "missunderstood Democrat" -- proving that as so often as has been the
case
> > since WWII, that Liberal Democrats == COMMUNIST LOVERS.
>
> You fucking stupid right-winger.
You fucking leftist cunt!
>Name me the source.
George Gedda, "Hill Vote a Rebuff to Reagan Policy," Associated Press, April
24, 1985.
[I made a transcription mistake about the year, so FUCKING SUE ME, asshole!]
>I am curious
> what did you think of reagan supporing the right-wing fascist death
> squads in El Savador?
I don't give a flying fuck what you are curious about, turd.
I don't play "follow the straw man" games that you "moral equivalency"
jagoffs like to toss in to distract us from the ugliness and treason that is
modern liberalism.
Eris
wrote:
>Eris <vith...@comcast.net> wrote in
>news:ncbb90hhrddbb8qkf...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 03 May 2004 02:20:54 -0000, Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in
>>>news:Xns94DD6C413...@216.148.227.77:
>>>
>>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>>>> news:Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44:
>
>>>>> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate
>>>>> scene,he's been
>>>>> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or
>>>>> wouldn't listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to
>>>>> blame the GOP for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps Alder wasn't around in 1992 and 1996 when
>>>> the GOP made prior military service issue #1, comparing
>>>> Bush and Doles' "heroism" against Clinton.
>>>
>> Clinton used his political smarts to avoid the draft. The Texas
>> Souffle sat on his ass and let his daddy do all of the work.
>
> Nice demonstration of Democratic family values. Lying to a family friend
>is "using your political smarts." Flying jets in the national guard is
>"sitting on your ass."
>
He was grounded for substance abuse
>> There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him for one day.
>> Teach a man to pray for fish and he will die of starvation.
>
> Useless non sequitur award.
We are still looking forward to your Darwin award.
mr_antone
wrote:
Come on georgie, tell everyone how you really feel.
May cause high blood pressure if you don't..
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Jim Alder
It's "you're" - as in "You're an idiot if you think I'm going to go
looking for quotes of something everyone here has heard a thousand times.
> You can't point to one quote, other than very recently,
> where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard service. Sure some
> in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron!!
Now you're a liar. But I'll make it much easier for you to prove you
aren't. Show me one quote in this thread where I said anything about Kerry
criticizing Bush's guard service.
>> > other than very very recently, where he attacked Bush's service or
>> > lack of service?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > ....even though you would think, if when it was
>> >> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did
>> >> > everything possible to get out of the war.
>> >>
>> >> No, he didn't. He volunteered for the NG. Are you saying NG
>> >> people are draft dodgers or just cowards?
>> >
>> > No but many joined the NG because they believed they would be able
>> > to avoid combat. By the way do you think Bush has resolved his
>> > whole NG controversey?
>>
>> Yep.
>
> many would be beg to differ with you.
Beg all you want. You hate Bush because he's making Democrats look bad.
>> > Many believe it still doe snot answer key questions.
>>
>> Many will continue to believe it no matter what is shown to them.
>
> And many will continue to believe Kerry is a traitor no matter what.
> And many will believe that Saddam had somethign to do with 911. Are
> you one of those morons?
I'm not a moron at all, dickbreath.
>> And what is "doe snot"? Some redneck deer hunter thing?
>
> its called a typo you petty stupid SOB!!
I just thought it was a funny typo, nitwit. And you forgot the
apostrophe in "it's," you hyperventilating, humorless psychophant.
And yes, I made that word up. See; "sycophant" and "psycho."
>> >> > Another chickenhawk? So what have
>> >> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did
>> >> > not deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
>> >>
>> >> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone
>> >> the severity of his wounds?
>> >
>> > What are you talking about. He did release his records.
>>
>> No he didn't. Or maybe he did but then he didn't. I lost track.
>> Actually
>> I think he SAID he would until someone took him up on the offer, then
>> he said he had already released all that he was going to.
>
> I am fairly certain he released his military records. All of them.
And you're utterly wrong. You're used to that, though, right?
>> > Its bush that still has some answering to do.
>>
>> Like you'd listen.
>
> FUCKOFF!!
Bite me, Kerry boy.
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Jim Alder
news:d12d905tjv2vt2gtq...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:01:43 -0000, Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com>
> wrote:
>> Nice demonstration of Democratic family values. Lying to a family
>> friend is "using your political smarts." Flying jets in the
>> national guard is "sitting on your ass."
>>
> He was grounded for substance abuse
Lies and more lies. They've become the staple of the leftwing Bush
basher.
Notice I don't even ask for proof? That's because I know better. And
I've decided I'd rather apologize for calling someone a liar when they trot
out the proof. In your case I know it will never happen so I'll never have
to apologize.
>>> There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him for one
>>> day. Teach a man to pray for fish and he will die of starvation.
>>
>> Useless non sequitur award.
>
> We are still looking forward to your Darwin award.
Those are almost always awarded posthumously. Another caring liberal
hoping the opposition will die? Figures.
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Jingo
wrote:
>On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:01:43 -0000, Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Eris <vith...@comcast.net> wrote in
>>news:ncbb90hhrddbb8qkf...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 03 May 2004 02:20:54 -0000, Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in
>>>>news:Xns94DD6C413...@216.148.227.77:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44:
>>
>>>>>> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate
>>>>>> scene,he's been
>>>>>> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or
>>>>>> wouldn't listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to
>>>>>> blame the GOP for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps Alder wasn't around in 1992 and 1996 when
>>>>> the GOP made prior military service issue #1, comparing
>>>>> Bush and Doles' "heroism" against Clinton.
>>>>
>>> Clinton used his political smarts to avoid the draft. The Texas
>>> Souffle sat on his ass and let his daddy do all of the work.
>>
>> Nice demonstration of Democratic family values. Lying to a family friend
>>is "using your political smarts." Flying jets in the national guard is
>>"sitting on your ass."
>>
>He was grounded for substance abuse
Actually DubYa was grounded for refusing to take an annual physical
which included, for the first time, a drug test.
If he had taken the physical he would have failed miserably and then
would have been grounded for substance abuse.
>>> There is an old saying give a man a fish and you feed him for one day.
>>> Teach a man to pray for fish and he will die of starvation.
>>
>> Useless non sequitur award.
In the Bushs' case the saying is:
"George was born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple."
--Molly Ivins
Mitchell Holman
news:fpnd90hbn2oa2snpu...@4ax.com:
I thought that was Ann Richards' line.
Mitchell Holman
> Eris <vith...@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:ncbb90hhrddbb8qkf...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 03 May 2004 02:20:54 -0000, Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in
>>>news:Xns94DD6C413...@216.148.227.77:
>>>
>>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>>>> news:Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44:
>
>>>>> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate
>>>>> scene,he's been
>>>>> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or
>>>>> wouldn't listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to
>>>>> blame the GOP for making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps Alder wasn't around in 1992 and 1996 when
>>>> the GOP made prior military service issue #1, comparing
>>>> Bush and Doles' "heroism" against Clinton.
>>>
>> Clinton used his political smarts to avoid the draft. The Texas
>> Souffle sat on his ass and let his daddy do all of the work.
>
> Nice demonstration of Democratic family values. Lying to a family
> friend
> is "using your political smarts." Flying jets in the national guard is
> "sitting on your ass."
It is when you duck out of Vietnam duty by hiding
in a "Champaign Unit" like the Texas ANG, with no chance
of overseas duty. And even then, he specifically ASKED
not to be shipped overseas. Fighting in the war he
supported was for "the little people", I guess.
Mitchell Holman
"I have been very candid about my past"
George Bush, 11/3/00/. Ironically, this is the
same George Bush who covered up his drunk
driving arrest for years, and who still refuses
to tell us whether he ever used drugs or not.
Mitchell Holman
Have it your way. Post your proof that Clinton
ever said that HE "loathed the military".
That is your claim. Prove it up or run away
like most Bushies do, your choice.
>
>> ...about the
>> same time as the "Clinton burned the flag in
>> Red Square" kneeslapper, as I recall.
>
> I don't recall that one at all, but who knows what kind of things were
> dredged up? You saying it was debunked means nothing.
A popular right wing urban legend, without merit.
www.courteousminer.com/mt/archives/000159.html
Eris
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
> Have it your way. Post your proof that Clinton
>ever said that HE "loathed the military".
>
> That is your claim. Prove it up or run away
>like most Bushies do, your choice.
I was in the military from 1967 to 1969. I and the vast majority of my
fellow draftee's loathed the military in ways Clinton and Bush never
dreamed of.
I savv very few people who said Gee, the military is a great place.
Except for the guys who couldn't believe that they had 2 pair boots,
shoes, four sets of clothings, their own beds to themselves, and THREE
meals a day.
Jim Alder
news:fpnd90hbn2oa2snpu...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:59:10 -0400, Eris <vith...@comcast.net>
Another liberal psychic. You guys ought to get organized now and predict
the election results for 2004. You could get a head start on your whining..
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Jim Alder
> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94DE7A59C6E2F...@216.168.3.44:
>
>> Eris <vith...@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:ncbb90hhrddbb8qkf...@4ax.com:
>>> Clinton used his political smarts to avoid the draft. The Texas
>>> Souffle sat on his ass and let his daddy do all of the work.
>>
>> Nice demonstration of Democratic family values. Lying to a family
>> friend is "using your political smarts." Flying jets in the
>> national guard is "sitting on your ass."
>
> It is when you duck out of Vietnam duty by hiding
> in a "Champaign Unit" like the Texas ANG
As opposed to Oxford University? Or as opposed to an ROTC program that
one never bothered to get into?
> ....with no chance of overseas duty. And even then,
> he specifically ASKED not to be shipped overseas.
LOL! Aw, Mitch, I've had you killfiled so long, I forgot about priceless
crap like this. He had no chance of overseas duty, but they specifically
ASKED him if he wanted to volunteer for overseas duty!
According to an Air Guard personnel officer, since Bush "was applying
for a specific position with the 147th Fighter Group, it would have been
inappropriate for him to have volunteered for an overseas assignment and he
probably was so advised by the military personnel clerk assisting him in
completing the form."
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Jim Alder
You know what he said, when he said it and what he meant. You're still a
fulltime timewaster, aren't you?
> That is your claim. Prove it up or run away
> like most Bushies do, your choice.
Oh, blow it out your ass, Mitch. The only people who run from you are
small children and people with sensitive olfactory glands.
>>> ...about the
>>> same time as the "Clinton burned the flag in
>>> Red Square" kneeslapper, as I recall.
>>
>> I don't recall that one at all, but who knows what kind of things
>> were dredged up? You saying it was debunked means nothing.
>
> A popular right wing urban legend, without merit.
>
> www.courteousminer.com/mt/archives/000159.html
Not very popular as far as I can see. So where DID he burn the American
flag? Ozford?
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Mitchell Holman
Jim posts and runs away, film at 11:00.
Mitchell Holman
> Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94DED7F9F...@204.127.199.17:
>
>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns94DE7A59C6E2F...@216.168.3.44:
>>
>>> Eris <vith...@comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:ncbb90hhrddbb8qkf...@4ax.com:
>
>>>> Clinton used his political smarts to avoid the draft. The Texas
>>>> Souffle sat on his ass and let his daddy do all of the work.
>>>
>>> Nice demonstration of Democratic family values. Lying to a family
>>> friend is "using your political smarts." Flying jets in the
>>> national guard is "sitting on your ass."
>>
>> It is when you duck out of Vietnam duty by hiding
>> in a "Champaign Unit" like the Texas ANG
>
> As opposed to Oxford University? Or as opposed to an ROTC program
> that
> one never bothered to get into?
Like devotees of the "C-Average" president
would know anything about Rhodes Scholarships....
>
>> ....with no chance of overseas duty. And even then,
>> he specifically ASKED not to be shipped overseas.
>
> LOL! Aw, Mitch, I've had you killfiled so long, I forgot about
> priceless
> crap like this. He had no chance of overseas duty, but they specifically
> ASKED him if he wanted to volunteer for overseas duty!
Your hero's cowardice precedes you.
"Mr. Bush's application for the Guard included a
box to be checked specifying whether he did or did
not volunteer for overseas duty. His includes a
check mark in the box not wanting to volunteer for
such an assignment."
freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070876/posts
"On his Guard application, the future president checked
a box saying he did "not" want to be considered for
overseas deployment."
www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/06/05_moore.html
"Although Bush said he wanted to follow in his dad's
footsteps as a wartime combat pilot, his application
shows he checked the "does not wish to serve overseas"
box."
www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-03.htm
"One of the questions on his application asked if
he wanted to go overseas, and he checked the box,
"do not volunteer."
www.geocities.com/goldeneagle19532003/Bush.html
Its GasherbrumAgain
translation: You can't provide a quote from kerry where he tarnishes
Bush's
NG
>
> > You can't point to one quote, other than very recently,
> > where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard service. Sure some
> > in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron!!
>
> Now you're a liar.
No your are. Provide the quote, other than the one Kerry was forced
to say as a result of bush's surrogate karen hughes making it an
issue. You can't
>But I'll make it much easier for you to prove you
> aren't. Show me one quote in this thread where I said anything about Kerry
> criticizing Bush's guard service.
I never said you did. If you read my original post I am talking about
which candidate (or surrogates of the candiate) first took shots at
the other canidates war record. I mean it was very clear. It should
not take anyone with the most rudimentary intelligence to understand
what I meant. Not to bright are you? Kerry may have brought up his
war record but that does not mean he was critical of Bush's war
record. Why did you "Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential
candidate scene,he's been unable to take a breath without telling
everyone who would or wouldn't listen that he served in the Vietnam
war" when Kerry was not taking a shot at bush's record? I asked you to
provide me quotes of Kerry ripping Bush's war record because Bush's
surrogates where doing this to
Kerry. This should be very simple logic. Too complicated for you?
>
> >> > other than very very recently, where he attacked Bush's service or
> >> > lack of service?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > ....even though you would think, if when it was
> >> >> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did
> >> >> > everything possible to get out of the war.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, he didn't. He volunteered for the NG. Are you saying NG
> >> >> people are draft dodgers or just cowards?
> >> >
> >> > No but many joined the NG because they believed they would be able
> >> > to avoid combat. By the way do you think Bush has resolved his
> >> > whole NG controversey?
> >>
> >> Yep.
> >
> > many would be beg to differ with you.
>
> Beg all you want. You hate Bush because he's making Democrats look bad.
I don't hate bush at all. Bush making democrats look bad. LOL!! Give
me a break. He is making you repubs look so bad in so many ways.
>
> >> > Many believe it still doe snot answer key questions.
> >>
> >> Many will continue to believe it no matter what is shown to them.
> >
> > And many will continue to believe Kerry is a traitor no matter what.
> > And many will believe that Saddam had somethign to do with 911. Are
> > you one of those morons?
>
> I'm not a moron at all, dickbreath.
dickbreath? Gee you are a real intellectual. NOT!! But you do
believe that Saddam had something to do with 911 don't you?
>
> >> And what is "doe snot"? Some redneck deer hunter thing?
> >
> > its called a typo you petty stupid SOB!!
>
> I just thought it was a funny typo, nitwit. And you forgot the
> apostrophe in "it's," you hyperventilating, humorless psychophant.
>
> And yes, I made that word up. See; "sycophant" and "psycho."
>
> >> >> > Another chickenhawk? So what have
> >> >> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did
> >> >> > not deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone
> >> >> the severity of his wounds?
> >> >
> >> > What are you talking about. He did release his records.
> >>
> >> No he didn't. Or maybe he did but then he didn't. I lost track.
> >> Actually
> >> I think he SAID he would until someone took him up on the offer, then
> >> he said he had already released all that he was going to.
> >
> > I am fairly certain he released his military records. All of them.
>
> And you're utterly wrong. You're used to that, though, right?
>
> >> > Its bush that still has some answering to do.
> >>
> >> Like you'd listen.
> >
> > FUCKOFF!!
>
> Bite me, Kerry boy.
I actually don't like Kerry much at all. The only reason I am voting
for him is the alternative is worse.
OrionCA
wrote:
And you of course loathed it so much that you told your sergeant one
day to piss off, hopped the fence, and ran away to Canada. You
believed you were all a bunch of baby killers who went around raping
women and killing anyone who tried to stop you. THAT'S what Bubba
meant by "loathing" the military, you dirty little baby killer.
--
From 1984 to present Kerry has maintained that he
"Never implied he threw away his own medals" during
a war protest in 1971.
"I gave back, I can't remember, 6, 7, 8, 9 medals,"
Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C.
news program on WRC-TV's called Viewpoints on
November 6, 1971.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Investigation/kerry_vietnam_medals_040425.html
Jim Alder
> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message
> news:<Xns94DE96DBD7AE8...@216.168.3.44>...
>> gashe...@my-deja.com (Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote in
>> news:2535b750.04050...@posting.google.com:
>>
THEN WHY ARE YOU CALLING A LIAR, YOU FUCKING MORON?!
"You can't provide a quote from kerry where he tarnishes Bush's NG"
"You can't point to one quote, other than very recently, where Kerry
said anything negative about his Guard service."
> If you read my original post I am talking about
You want high brow intellectual exchanges?
> But you do believe that Saddam had something to do with 911 don't you?
>
>>
>> >> And what is "doe snot"? Some redneck deer hunter thing?
>> >
>> > its called a typo you petty stupid SOB!!
>>
>> I just thought it was a funny typo, nitwit. And you forgot the
>> apostrophe in "it's," you hyperventilating, humorless psychophant.
>>
>> And yes, I made that word up. See; "sycophant" and "psycho."
>>
>> >> >> > Another chickenhawk? So what have
>> >> >> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really
>> >> >> > did not deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone
>> >> >> the severity of his wounds?
>> >> >
>> >> > What are you talking about. He did release his records.
>> >>
>> >> No he didn't. Or maybe he did but then he didn't. I lost track.
>> >> Actually
>> >> I think he SAID he would until someone took him up on the offer,
>> >> then he said he had already released all that he was going to.
>> >
>> > I am fairly certain he released his military records. All of them.
>>
>> And you're utterly wrong. You're used to that, though, right?
>>
>> >> > Its bush that still has some answering to do.
>> >>
>> >> Like you'd listen.
>> >
>> > FUCKOFF!!
>>
>> Bite me, Kerry boy.
>
> I actually don't like Kerry much at all. The only reason I am voting
> for him is the alternative is worse.
>
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Roger R.
"OrionCA" <ori...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:hr9f90d9a0l8m5k4o...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 22:40:15 -0400, Eris <vith...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 04 May 2004 02:24:02 GMT, Mitchell Holman
> ><ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Have it your way. Post your proof that Clinton
> >>ever said that HE "loathed the military".
> >>
> >> That is your claim. Prove it up or run away
> >>like most Bushies do, your choice.
> >
> >
> >I was in the military from 1967 to 1969. I and the vast majority of my
> >fellow draftee's loathed the military in ways Clinton and Bush never
> >dreamed of.
> >
> >I savv very few people who said Gee, the military is a great place.
> >Except for the guys who couldn't believe that they had 2 pair boots,
> >shoes, four sets of clothings, their own beds to themselves, and THREE
> >meals a day.
I was a Lt stationed in Hanau, Germany during that period, and people would
write comments of various types on the wall of the junior officers' club.
The junior officers club was in the basement of the O Club, and it was where
rock music was allowed. The lifers couldn't stand it. Which was alright with
us. It kept them out. Sort of a noise version of OFF for lifers. Lifer
repellant.
An interesting comment written on that wall was "Where is Lee Harvey Oswald
now that we REALLY need him!" This was during the LBJ era, of course.
I don't think the comment bothered the lieutenants much. It was when a
civilian reported it to the military newspaper and they came in a
photographed the wall that people because upset. The newspaper was the
scandal rag, not the stars and stripes - I forget what it was called now.
>
> And you of course loathed it so much that you told your sergeant one
> day to piss off, hopped the fence, and ran away to Canada. You
> believed you were all a bunch of baby killers who went around raping
> women and killing anyone who tried to stop you. THAT'S what Bubba
> meant by "loathing" the military, you dirty little baby killer.
Gee. You do an interesting job of mind-reading. Of course, it is your own
mind, not Clinton's.
As one lifer I knew pointed out to me, it was a really shitty little war,
but if you wanted to get promoted it was the only one we had. We all knew it
was the wrong war with the wrong people, but it was sort of difficult to get
the politicians and the idiots in Saigon to understand that. Anyone who
compared the five O'Clock Follies in Saigon with the real news reports and
reports from the guys who were really out there knew it was shit. You had to
be an idiot not to loathe that war. And we were the military responsible for
fighting it.
But you weren't there, were you? You've leet the rightwig chicken hawks
brainwash you.
It is idiots like you who also dragged us into Bush's War to impose Chalabi
on Iraq and make Peace in the middle east. Bush knew that we would have
peace and democracy because the great con man, Chalabi, told him so.
Read
"How Ahmed Chalabi conned the Neocons" in Salon 05 04 2004
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/05/04/chalabi/index.html
Sit through the advertisement and get a day pass. It is worth the time.
It seems that the only people who are going to come out of our invasion of
Iraq as winners are the Iranians. They get what they have wanted using
American money and American lives. Bin Laden has won, also, the day we
invaded Iraq. His recruiting and fundraising has gone through the roof
because of Bush's stupidity and the way Chalabi conned the Neocons.
Feith is being fired from the Pentagon as a requirement Negroponte set to
accept the Ambassadorship. Wolfowitz will probably have to leave the Pentgon
before the election.
Jim Alder
> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94DEF1A146841...@216.168.3.44:
>
>> Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns94DED7F9F...@204.127.199.17:
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>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>>> news:Xns94DE7A59C6E2F...@216.168.3.44:
>>>
>>>> Eris <vith...@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> news:ncbb90hhrddbb8qkf...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>>> Clinton used his political smarts to avoid the draft. The Texas
>>>>> Souffle sat on his ass and let his daddy do all of the work.
>>>>
>>>> Nice demonstration of Democratic family values. Lying to a family
>>>> friend is "using your political smarts." Flying jets in the
>>>> national guard is "sitting on your ass."
>>>
>>> It is when you duck out of Vietnam duty by hiding
>>> in a "Champaign Unit" like the Texas ANG
>>
>> As opposed to Oxford University? Or as opposed to an ROTC program
>> that one never bothered to get into?
>
> Like devotees of the "C-Average" president
> would know anything about Rhodes Scholarships....
More of Mitch's specialty; the non sequitur. Or do you think ROTC is
short for "Rhodes Scholarship"?
>>> ....with no chance of overseas duty. And even then,
>>> he specifically ASKED not to be shipped overseas.
>>
>> LOL! Aw, Mitch, I've had you killfiled so long, I forgot about
>> priceless crap like this. He had no chance of overseas duty, but
>> they specifically ASKED him if he wanted to volunteer for
>> overseas duty!
>
> Your hero's cowardice precedes you.
Aw, Mitch, you lying sack of shit, stop making this so easy. You snipped
the obvious explanation and started echoing liberal bullshit.
According to an Air Guard personnel officer, since Bush "was applying
for a specific position with the 147th Fighter Group, it would have been
inappropriate for him to have volunteered for an overseas assignment and he
probably was so advised by the military personnel clerk assisting him in
completing the form."
Let me translate that into tiny words you can understand. He was just
applying for the Guard and for training as a pilot. He wouldn't get that
training overseas. So he was probably advised to not volunteer at that
time.
> "Mr. Bush's application for the Guard included a
> box to be checked specifying whether he did or did
> not volunteer for overseas duty. His includes a
> check mark in the box not wanting to volunteer for
> such an assignment."
> freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070876/posts
>
>
> "On his Guard application, the future president checked
> a box saying he did "not" want to be considered for
> overseas deployment."
> www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/06/05_moore.html
>
>
> "Although Bush said he wanted to follow in his dad's
> footsteps as a wartime combat pilot, his application
> shows he checked the "does not wish to serve overseas"
> box."
> www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-03.htm
>
>
> "One of the questions on his application asked if
> he wanted to go overseas, and he checked the box,
> "do not volunteer."
> www.geocities.com/goldeneagle19532003/Bush.html
>
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Jim Alder
And you can be such a punk. Ya know?
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Its GasherbrumAgain
> "Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:2535b750.04050...@posting.google.com...
> > "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> news:<c711s9$ire$0...@pita.alt.net>...
>
> > >
> > > In 1984, Traitor Johnny Kerry said the Comandante Daniel Ortega was a
> > > "missunderstood Democrat" -- proving that as so often as has been the
> case
> > > since WWII, that Liberal Democrats == COMMUNIST LOVERS.
> >
> > You fucking stupid right-winger.
>
> You fucking leftist cunt!
>
> >Name me the source.
>
> George Gedda, "Hill Vote a Rebuff to Reagan Policy," Associated Press, April
> 24, 1985.
>
> [I made a transcription mistake about the year, so FUCKING SUE ME, asshole!]
I did a search on google with the keywords: George Gedda Hill Vote a
Rebuff to Reagan Policy and the only thing I got was this link:
http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2001nn/0107nn/010718nn.htm where it says
nothing about Kerry and Ortega
Besides that quote does not mean he was communist lover you stupid
fucking idiot. A communist lover means that love communism. Saying
he was "missunderstood Democrat" probably means he was ignorant of
ortega's motives but how does that quote show that Kerry is in favor
and believes in ->
"Theory of political and economic development proposed by Karl Marx
and developed and implemented by V. I. Lenin. In Marxist theory,
"communism" denotes the final stage of human historical development in
which the people rule both politically (compare: democracy) and
economically (contrast: capitalism). Since the government, according
to Marxist theory, is essentially an instrument of class oppression,
and the society which emerges in this final stage is classless, as
this final state is approaches government will gradually wither away
(compare: anarchism). See: proletarian, bourgeois."
Where does that quote imply that kerry wants state sponsored atheism
which communism advocate? In fact lets see the entire context of the
quote. Lets see the whole thing.
>
>
> >I am curious
> > what did you think of reagan supporing the right-wing fascist death
> > squads in El Savador?
>
> I don't give a flying fuck what you are curious about, turd.
You don't want to answer because it will show you to be the spinless
right-wing SOB that you are.
>
> I don't play "follow the straw man" games that you "moral equivalency"
> jagoffs like to toss in to distract us from the ugliness and treason that is
> modern liberalism.
You are one ignornat mother fucker. You don't know what a strawman is
and you don't know what treason is. What dispicable right-wing piece
of vermin you are.
Jim Alder
news:109fcm0...@corp.supernews.com:
>> And you of course loathed it so much that you told your sergeant one
>> day to piss off, hopped the fence, and ran away to Canada. You
>> believed you were all a bunch of baby killers who went around raping
>> women and killing anyone who tried to stop you. THAT'S what Bubba
>> meant by "loathing" the military, you dirty little baby killer.
>
> Gee. You do an interesting job of mind-reading. Of course, it is your own
> mind, not Clinton's.
It's called believing what you have to believe. Clinton was all they
had, so they had to believe only good about him.
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George
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> "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
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> > "Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:2535b750.04050...@posting.google.com...
> > > "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> > news:<c716n8$t1t$0...@pita.alt.net>...
> > > > "Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:2535b750.04050...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> > news:<c7022u$rtl$0...@pita.alt.net>...
> > > > > > "Its GasherbrumAgain" <gashe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > > > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30
years to
> > the
> > > > > > > very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when
it
> > was
> > > > > > > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did
> > everything
> > > > > > > possible to get out of the war. Another chickenhawk? So what
> > have
> > > > > > > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really
did
> > not
> > > > > > > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> > > > > > > Ya they try and justify there dirty campaigning by saying its
not
> > > > > > > about his vietnam war service but about his character (As if
Bush
> > has
> > > > > > > no character flaws).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then there is the recent scandal that looks as if republicans
may
> > have
> > > > > > > illegally taped into democratic files.
> > > > > > > http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Memogate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whats next? I suppose the next thing they are going to try
and do
> > is
> > > > > > > try and get Kerry on some sex scandal of course.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nah!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Us Kerry-haters are simply going to expose his leftwing,
> > traitor-fuck,
> > > > > > Senate and anti-war activist record.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh boy a true knuckle dragging right-winger. Traitor?
> > > >
> > > > Yep.
> > > >
> > > > >How typical.
> > > >
> > > > It's typical that the truth hurts you, yes?
> > >
> > > Oh yes. Your insightfull comment "Kerry-haters are simply going to
> > > expose his leftwing, traitor-fuck, Senate and anti-war activist
> > > record" is just so provactive and cuts sharper than a razor edge.
> > > Give you a break you dumb fuck!!
> >
> > Yawn.
> >
> > Get used to it, toad.
> >
> > We've got a LONG way to go before the election is over and the
Democratic
> > Party drifts out of focus into history.
>
>
> I don't give a damn about both parties to tell you the truth. The
> democratic party is the less of two bad choices.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > You can't stand to have the
> > > > truth told, so you call those who oppose you "knuckle draggers."
> > >
> > > Oh yes its so true that Kerry was a traitor. Ya right. Prove to me
> > > he was a traitor you moron.
> >
> > Try reading for comprehension, moron.
>
> More irony. I will not waste explaining it through that thick skull
> of yours.
>
> >
> > Of course, Kerry could be caught with bin Laden living in his basement
and
> > it STILL wouldn't convince you. Your mind's made up and you don't want
to
> > be confused by the facts.
>
> Its the other way around. Hating liberals is a way for you
> right-wingers to
>
>
> > > >
> > > > Ann Coulter was right when she wrote: "A central component of
liberal
> > hate
> > > > speech is to make paranoid accusations based upon their own neurotic
> > > > impulses...." ["Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right," p.
19]
> > >
> > > Ann coulter is a complete moron who specifically says far out
> > > right-wing statements because she knows that morons like you will fall
> > > for it. She is rich because idiots like you fall for her crap.
> >
> > Where as you, being a good little liberal Democrat, remain in denial.
>
> What a comeback. Like I have said all ready. I am a registered
> independent. You are a right-wing moron who the right-wing icons like
> Coulter count on to get make herself rich.
>
> >
> > >
> > > And who the hell is she to accuse liberals of hate speech?
> >
> > She's the one who put together a book with over 800 citations listing
the
> > ways you liberal toads lie and slander anybody to the right of Leon
Trotsky.
> > Did you ever read it?
>
> Your moron. Her quotes have been totally debunked a 100 different
> ways. She also a hypocrite. She talks about god and morality but
> dates people like Penthouse publisher's son. You are a complete moron
> in taking her stuff seriously.
>
> >
> > >She is the
> > > same person that something to the affect that John Walker should be
> > > executed because then liberals will know that they can be exectuted
> > > anytime.
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > Wow, I hadn't read that.
>
> Boy you are ignorant.
>
> >
> > Good for her. But I don't know if I share that exact sentiment. I just
> > want to see liberals made impotent. I just want future generations to
look
> > back at this era as the one were the scourge of socialism and liberalism
> > became obsolete.
>
> Oh here we go again. Please define socialism for me and then prove
> from that defintion that liberals are socialist and conservatives like
> Bush are not.
>
>
>
> >
> > There is NOTHING wrong with that.
> >
> > >Another example of right-wing reverse propaganda to hide
> > > their own hatefullness.
> >
> > Typical crap coming from a leftist moron who can't stand being
confronted
> > with his own perfidity.
>
> Moron calling someone else a moron. More irony.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > How was he a traitor?
> > > >
> > > > He voted the Soviet line every time. His votes are *RECORDED* and
are
> > > > online if you look for them. I've already posted a list of THOSE
votes
> > in
> > > > another post.
> > >
> > > Give me a fucking break. How did he vote the Soviet line every time?
> > > What would be the Soviet line anyway you moron?
> >
> > Nuclear freeze, no upgrade of nuclear forces in Europe after the Soviets
> > introduced new weapons, opposed research on a national missile defense.
All
> > well documented.
>
> Show me the exact bills voted for and once again how is this the
> soviet line? Are you implying that he voted for against that with the
> mindsight of helping the soviets. You are full of shit.
>
>
> > See "Useful Idiots, How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold
> > War and Still Blame America First," Mona Charen, Regnery Publishing;
> > (February 2003), ISBN: 0895261391
>
> Ya Mona charen. A die hard right-winger.
>
> >
> >
> > Here's an example of Kerry's toeing the Soviet line. The Soviet Union
was
> > strongly opposed to a national missile defense. They had a system, we
> > didn't and that gave them an advantage that they did not want us to
> > overcome. From "Useful Idiots:"
> >
> > "Senator John F. Kerry attempted to strangle SDI in the cradle in 1985,
> > sponsoring a bill that would have frozen spending for the pro gram at
$1.4
> > billion. Kerry's amendment would further have forbidden experiments of
any
> > kind that would tend to undermine the "single most important
arms-control
> > treaty of our time." He was referring to the ABM treaty-a treaty that
the
> > Soviets had violated, and that liberals would continue to worship even
after
> > the Soviet Union had ceased to exist. The amendment was defeated 78 to
21."
> > [p. 64]
>
> SDI was a wastefull project. It was pure pork. Beyond that there is
> a very stragetic reason why implementing something like SDI would be
> very dangerous. Many believe, if implemented, that it would encourage
> the soviets to launch a preemptive first strike.
>
> >
> > And there there are his repeated votes and bills to reduce the military
and
> > votes against almost every weapon system in our arsenal today. See
> > citations elsewhere in this response for specifics.
>
> Thats a lie. I documented weapons systems that he voted for and
> cheney did not.
> You decide not to talk about Cheney's thus showing what a hypocrite
> you are.
>
> >
> > You mean you DIDN'T KNOW THIS?
>
> You mean you did not know of his many systems he voted for and cheney
> did not?
>
> >
> > Are you that STUPID?
>
> Are you that stupid that you are taken byt right-wing propaganda and
> you don't take into context of how other CONSERVATIVES have voted on
> these systems?
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > He did the bidding of Hanoi in covering up the existance of living
POWS
> > left
> > > > behind. In fact, he ordered the DESTRUCTION of evidence of live
> > sightings.
> > >
> > > Show me proof?
> >
> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
>
> I all ready read that. Maybe its true but Kerry deserves to comment
> on it
>
> > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
> >
> > >
> > > > Liberal Sydney Schanberg exposed
> > >
> > > List for me the issues Sydney Schanberg believes in that are liberal?
> >
> > Besides writing for the Village Voice, you mean?
>
> That does not mean your a liberal. Christopher Hitchens wrote for the
> Nation but has some very conservative beliefs.
>
> >
> > Here's one: He supported Pol Pot in the 70's.
>
> LIAR!!!! What are you talking about you ignorant SOB!!. He was
> absolutely opposed to Pol Pot. Where the hell did you get that?
>
> >
> > Feel free to study Schanberg's bio and report back to us. Good luck
trying
> > to "prove" he is a conservative.
>
> Your such an idiot. Your the one that called him a liberal so the
> burden of proof is on your shoulders not me. When did I say he was a
> conservative? If someone is not a liberal you mean that must mean
> they are a conservative? More illogic from intellectually inferior
> George.
>
> I know plenty about Schangerg. The movie the killing fields was based
> on his and Dith Pran's expereiences in Cambodia
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > all that in a February article in that
> > > > LEFTIST rag, The Village Voice (need the URL?). Over 500 men were
left
> > to
> > > > die in chains because TRAITOR JOHNNY KERRY covered up their
continued
> > living
> > > > existance. Traitor Johnny *is* Hanoi's favorite American son, after
> > all.
> > >
> > > A traitor is someone that at least has to be convicted of giving vital
> > > government secrets to a country which at the very least is hostile to
> > > the US.
> >
> > Wrong, moron.
> >
> > "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war
> > against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and
comfort."
> > Article 3, Section 3, Paragraph 1, US Constitution.
>
> And how the hell do you think it is determined when someone is
> 'consisting only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their
> enemies, giving them aid and comfort"? You think someone just can be
> accused of it you moron. No it has to be proved legally. By the way
> since we did not declare war in Vietnam I wonder how that changes
> things.
>
> >
> > Do you not understand the term "GIVING AID AND COMFORT," moron?
>
> You are a complete idiot. Please explain exactly how he gave aid and
> comfort. What was specifically the aid that he gave?
>
> >
> >
> > > In most cases at war with.
> >
> > Not true.
> >
> >
> > >If true this defintely would be
> > > very damaging to Kerry's character but it does not fit the classic
> > > defintion of a traitor.
> >
> > Kerry HAS no character: Flip-flop, Flip-flop.
>
> First of all people have been defining a flip-flop incorrectly. If
> someone believes in Postion A and then goes to the opposite belief to
> position b that is not a flip-flop. That is just a flip. Is it
> necessarily a bad thing to flip
> on an issue? You mean you want your politicians to be inflexible and
> not change positions at all? If this is the defintion of a flip-flop
> then almost every politican would be guilty including Bush and if you
> doubt that look at these tow links.
>
> http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/bush-flip-flops.html
> http://www.jamesglaser.org/2004/p20040406.html
>
>
> A true flip flop is when a politician believes in postions a then
> switches to the opposite position of a and then back to a again.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Also you say "over 500 men" were left. That
> > > has not been proven.
> >
> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
> > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
>
> liar. None of those prove there over 50 men left. Hell where do you
> they even mention a specific #.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > >You should have said "over 500 men have been
> > > thought to have been left". Know one knows if or how many were left.
> >
> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
> > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
>
> wrong again for reason all ready cited.
>
> >
> > > But I do agree than any coverup, if true, on Kerry's part is
> > > revealing. Although with such an allegation, Anyone deserves to
> > > rebut, explain or disprove such an allegation
> >
> > Feel free to ask him at his next campaign rally in your neighborhood.
> >
> > I predict he's say: "That's none of our business."
>
>
> Feel free to ask Bush about his misleading the nation on iraq
> about his flips on issues
> about his natonal guard record
> etc
> etc
> etc.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Further, he REPEATEDLY voted to eviscerate defense and the military.
> > Again,
> > > > I've already posted a list of THOSE votes.
> > >
> > > What a second. What would be proof that he eviscerate defense and the
> > > military?
> >
> > His votes in the Senate. See the list that follows.
>
> You did not understand the question moron. I am asking what would be
> the criteria in determing if someone eviscerate defense and the
> military? It just can't be simple votes against some military weapon
> systems since conservatives
> like Cheney and McCain have voted againt those also.
>
> >
> > > You mean a vote against any defense and military project means he is a
> > > traitor?
> >
> > Kerry is not a traitor, necessarily, for his anti-military, anti-defense
> > votes.
>
> Your back-peddaling.
>
>
> > Though the clear pattern of his votes is proof that he wants the
> > United States disarmed. If Kerry had his way, the military would be
unfit
> > and unable to defend this country.
>
>
> that is a lie. I show clearly some weapon systems that he has voted
> for and compared that to the hawk Cheney.
>
> >
> > Kerry is a traitor for lying before the Senate in 1971,
>
> That is not what traitor means you dumbfuck? Show me exactly where
> the lie is?
>
>
> >for slandering EVERY
> > Vietnam veteran,
>
> Show me the entire quote where he slanders *EVERY* vietnam veteran.
>
>
> >for being a national director of VVAW,
>
> You fool. As if the VVAW is proof of being a traitor. Yu have no
> clue what the word traitor means. You are a typical right-wing nut.
>
> > for participating in
> > sedition: To wit, a vote on whether to assassinate 6 US Senators in
Kansas
> > City, in 1971.
>
> What are you talking
>
> >
> > > So is Dick Cheney a traitor since he voted against many military
> > > weapon systems?
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > > So if a politician does not give in to every weapons system, no matter
> > > how unreliable and expensive and how much it inflates the deficit,
> > > then he is a traitor?
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > >Your such a dumbass
> >
> > And you have the brains of week old dog turds. SO?
>
> Once again an idiot like you insuling the intelligence of someone
> else. What a moron you are.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
> > Vietnam
> > > > Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas
on
> > > > whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking
a
> > vote
> > > > on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is
> > "misprison
> > > > of treason."
> > > >
> > > > So besides *consistently* voting to aid and comfort our enemies,
> > >
> > > Your engaging in typical right-wing rhetoirc. What votes aided and
> > > gave comfort to our enemies?
> >
> > Try reading for comprehension, stupid.
>
> Your the one that clearly had the reading comprehension problem and
> clearly did not understand my post on the Koppel show.
>
> >
> > "Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
> > Vietnam
> > Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
> > whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a
vote
> > on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is
"misprison
> > of treason.""
>
> Give me a break. Assuming this took place, Did he vote for yes on it?
> Then you would have a point.
>
> By the way. At least one of those photos showing Kerry with Jane
> Fonda was a complete fraud so who credible your sources are.
>
> >
> >
> > >By the way, if someone was against
> > > Clinton using the military in Bosnia,Kosovo,Somalia and hati, are they
> > > a traitor too?
> > >
> > > > Traitor
> > > > Johnny PARTICPATED in open sedition.
> > >
> > > Exuse me but were we at war at the time of the alleged coverup? Have
> > > you been listening to michael weiner?
> >
> > Who is Weiner?
>
> He is a nationally syndicated talk show host from the bay area.
> Michael Weiner is his real name. He used a phony last name on his
> syndicated show. I will not give out the name he used on his show
> because I don't want to help his ratings out.
>
>
> >
> > "Then there is his anti-war acitivities as a national director of the
> > Vietnam
> > Veterans Against the War, including a November 1971 vote in Kansas on
> > whether or not ot assassinate 6 Republican US Senators. Even taking a
vote
> > on such an idea is sedition and treason. And not reporting it is
"misprison
> > of treason.""
> >
> > Do you have trouble understanding that if you CONSPIRE to ASSASSINATE
United
> > States Senators that you are committing sedition (the overthrow of the
> > United States Government by force) and Treason (making "war upon the
United
> > States")?
> >
> > Is this too fucking DEEP for a mental lightweight like you to
understand?
>
> Is it too fucking deep to understand that saying he voted whether or
> not to assinate 6 republicans US senators is not sedition and treason.
> Assuming that really took place . Where did you get this info?
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > That's besides participating in an
> > > > organization that marched under the NVA and VC flags (pictures of
this
> > are
> > > > online).
> > >
> > > What organization marched under the NVA and VC flags?
> >
> > The Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- he was a national director.
> >
> > >When was this
> > > and did he know it at the time? Please provide solid evidence from a
> > > reliable source.
> >
> > Photos archived at:
> > http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/vc_flg_cap.jpg
> > http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/vc_flag_protesta.jpg
> >
> > Kerry's sedition:
> >
> >
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/03/12&ID=Ar00100
> >
http://www.starbanner.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040424/ZNYT02/404240311/1009/BUSINESS
> > http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110004881
> > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37706
> > University of Florida Oral History Archive, October 20, 1992
> > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37646
>
> Ah yes worlnetdailey. These are all far-right rags. They have got no
> crediblility and only appeal to far-right loons like yourself.
>
> >
> >
> > Kerry's meeting with NVA negotiators in Paris:
> >
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/25/kerry_spoke_of_meeting_negotiators_on_vietnam/
> >
> > Kerry's betrayal of the POWs:
> > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php
> > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/printbs20040211.shtml
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > And that is not even mentioning his 1973 "private diplomacy" trip
> > > > to Paris for receive personal instruction from the NV "negotiators"
at
> > the
> > > > peace talks.
> > >
> > > What kind of right-wing websites have you been reading? What kind of
> > > far right
> > > publications have you been reading. Please provide your source.
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If you work on the enemies behalf (and North Vietnam *was* the
enemy),
> > you
> > > > are "adhering to his cause," giving him "aid and comfort." And
that
> > *IS*
> > > > the definition of treason in the Constitution and US Code.
> > >
> > > What do you define as "working on the enemies behalf". Is simply
> > > protesting the war working on enemies behalf?
> >
> > Yes. Here's why:
> >
> > "If I have one regret from my radical years, it is that this country was
too
> > tolerant toward the treason of its enemies within. If patriotic
Americans
> > had been more vigilant in the defense of their country, if they had
called
> > things by their right names, if they had confronted us with the
seriousness
> > of our attacks, they might have caught the attention of those of us who
were
> > well-meaning but utterly misguided. And they might have stopped us in
our
> > tracks. I appeal to those of you who are attacking your country, full of
> > self-righteousness, who, like me, may live to regret what you have
done."
> >
> > David Horowitz, 9/28/2001, Los Angeles Times,
>
> the vietnam war was an immoral and unjustified war. The government
> can't always be trusted to make the right descions. Being a
> conservative I thought you understood that? The goverment has always
> has to answer to the people.
>
> >
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-000077642sep28.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dcomment%2Dopinions
> >
> > This war, you leftist slugs are NOT getting a "pass."
>
> Wrong moron. The funny thing is that you clearly think that this war
> is a conservative war but actually it is not. Read Pat Buchanan's
> "were a republic not an empire" to see why.
>
> >You are going to be
> > confronted with your treason.
>
> Its not treason but as much as you think I will be confronted with
> 'treason" as god is my witness YOU WILL BE CONFRONTED WITH YOUR
> FASCISM. YOU WILL PAY!!
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >Once again it sure is interesting. Kerry was a
> > > > > decorated war hero despite what you contemptible and dispicable
> > > > > right-wingers say.
> > > >
> > > > Hey, stupid. The issue isn't his MILITARY service. It's his
ANTI-WAR
> > > > activism and ANTI-US VOTES as an elected official that is at issue.
> > >
> > > Hey stupid. It is his partically his military service because the
> > > right-wing now is trying to discredit his medals.
> >
> > I'm not. Did you have trouble understanding the phrase: "The issue
isn't
> > his MILITARY service...." It means that the issue IS NOT his military
> > service. Sheeesh!
> >
> > >As for this
> > > anti-war activism. Why is anti-war activism is and of itself a
> > > negative?
> >
> > "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war
> > against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and
comfort."
>
> and of course anti-war activity in and of itself is none of that. It
> could be.
>
> >
> > Read what former Senator and former POW Jerimiah Denton said about
Kerry's
> > anti-war activities as it related to his captivity.
>
> Read what John McCain thinks of Kerry.
> >
> > "Knowing that I served in the U.S. Senate with John Kerry and that, like
> > him, I am a veteran of the Vietnam War, many people have asked me what I
> > think of him, particularly now that he's the apparent presidential
nominee
> > of the Democratic Party.
> >
> > When Kerry joined me in the Senate, I already knew about his record of
> > defamatory remarks and behavior criticizing U.S. policy in Vietnam and
the
> > conduct of our military personnel there. I had learned in North
Vietnamese
> > prisons how much harm such statements caused.
> >
> > To me, his remarks and behavior amounted to giving aid and comfort to
our
> > Vietnamese and Soviet enemies. So I was not surprised when his
subsequent
> > overall voting pattern in the Senate was consistently detrimental to our
> > national security."
> >
> > Former Senator and Former POW Jerimiah Denton, Mobile Register, March
10,
> > 2004, archived at:
> > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12521
> >
> > Is that clear enough for you, stupid?
> >
> > >Was anti-war activism during Clinton's Kosovo/Bosnia,
> > > Somailia or Hati campaign OK?
> >
> > There wasn't any, because it was a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT'S war -- Clinton's
war.
> > The anti-war traitors ONLY come out to play when a REPUBLCIAN goes to
war.
>
> there was anti-war activism. Granted not like in vietan but the same
> right-wing hypocrites like yourself that bitch about kerry's anti-war
> sentiment now show how hypocritical they are when they don't call
> anti-war sentiment during Clinton's tenure traitors. Yoyr hypocrisy
> is disgusting.
>
> >
> > >Anti-US votes? What would be anti-US
> > > votes? What would you define as a anti-US vote? Any vote that
> > > goes against your right-wing agenda?
> >
> > Any vote in Congress that diminishes the national security of the United
> > States of America is a anti-US vote.
>
> So that would mean any vote against any weapon system? So if you would
> have your way you vote for any weapon system no matter if it works or
> not and no matter how much expensive it is and no matter how much it
> puts us into a deficit?
>
> >
> > Specifically:
> >
> > Voted Against B-1 Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5;
D
> > 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against B-2 Stealth Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16:
R
> > 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against F-14. (H. R. 5803, CQ Vote #319: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D
> > 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against F-15. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D
42-11,
> > 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against F-16. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D
42-11,
> > 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff And Landing Jet Fighters.
(H.R.
> > 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry
Voted
> > Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against AH-64 Apache Helicopters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579:
Adopted
> > 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against Patriot Missiles. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R
> > 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against Aegis Air Defense Cruiser. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed
> > 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against Trident Missile System For U.S. Submarines. (S. 3189, CQ
Vote
> > #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against M-1 Abrams Tanks. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R
> > 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against Bradley Fighting Vehicle. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed
> > 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > Voted Against Tomahawk Cruise Missile. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed
79-16:
> > R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
> >
> > All these weapons systems are in the US inventory and have been highly
> > successful in battle.
> >
> > In 1984, Kerry said the Comandante Daniel Ortega was a "missunderstood
> > Democrat" -- proving that as so often as has been the case since WWII,
that
> > Liberal Democrats == COMMUNIST LOVERS.
> >
> > In the 1980's, Kerry supported the SOVIET UNION's nuclear supremacy plan
> > against the United States. At the same time Traitor Johnny Kerry OPPOSED
> > confronting the Soviet Union's attempt at blackmailing Europe with their
new
> > IRBM deployment.
> >
> > In 1991, Kerry voted -- twice -- to defense spending and transfer the
money
> > to fund more welfare slugs.
> >
> > In 1992, Kerry voted to cut defense by $6 Billion.
> >
> > In 1993, Kerry VOTED AGAINST A MILITARY PAY RAISE!!
> >
> > In 1993, Kerry INTRODUCED legislation cut the number of Navy subs and
their
> > crews; reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force; terminate the
Navy's
> > coastal mine-hunting ship program; force the retirement of 60,000
members of
> > the armed forces in one year; and reduce the number of light infantry
units
> > in the Army down to one.
> >
> > In 1995, Kerry voted to REDUCE the defense budget for 7 years by $34
Billion
> > per year.
> >
> > In 1996 Kerry INTRODUCED a bill to cut defense by $6.5 Billion.
> >
> > In 1996, when Clinton was going gung-ho in the Balkans with "Nation
> > Building" using US troops, Kerry voted to freeze Defense for 7 years and
> > transfer $34 Billion to support some more welfare slugs.
> >
> > Is this enough?
> >
> > He votes "ANTI-DEFENSE," and voting to weaken the national defense is
an
> > ANTI-AMERICAN vote.
>
> You all ready posted all that. And how many of the above did
> conservative politicians vote against also? So I guess according to
> you Cheney is anti-aemrican?
>
>
> There you go again.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Why do you toads think you can use his military service to shield
> > *THREE*
> > > > *DECADES* of fucking over the Military,
> > >
> > > Fucking over the military? What exactly would be fucking over the
> > > military? Give me an example.
> >
> > See above list.
> >
> > If Kerry had his way, the Army would have no rifles, either; the Air
Force
> > would have only paper planes to fly; the Navy, only rubber duckies to
sail;
> > and the marines only their good looks to frighten terrorists with.
> >
> > If Kerry had his way, this nation would be DEFENSELESS!
>
>
> Thats a typical lie. I cited weapon systems Kerry voted for. Repubs
> Chuck Nagel and John McCain disagree with you also.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >of sucking up to every Communist
> > > > dictator on the planet,
> > >
> > > Ok now your once again talking like an idiot foaming at the mouth
> > > right-winger.
> > > Give me some examples of him sucking up to every communist dictator?
> >
> > Daniel Ortega and Fidel Castro. See above.
>
> Those are not every communist dictator on the planet and he did
> nothing for the sake of sucking up to them you idiot.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >and his acts of sedition?
> > >
> > > You have no proof of that. Please provide evidence from some reliable
> > > source.
> > > Anyone can get any discredited information from any kind of luny
> > > website out there.
> >
> > See above.
>
> That was no proof.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > It isn't going to work
> > > > because Kerry has a VOTING RECORD that has been pro-Communist and
> > > > anti-military across the board.
> > >
> > > Gaad. You are a right-wing nut. You show me the voting record that
> > > proves he was pro-communist.
> >
> > I just did. He voted the Soviet's way. He's consistently voted AGAINST
the
> > military and the national defense.
>
> No he did not. He failed to show the systems he did vote for and the
> ones cheney voted against and yet do you say the same thing to cheney?
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >And the FBI records of his Kansas City
> > > > deeds are now public knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > Do you know that in the 90's, when a resolution was offered to
condemn
> > Fidel
> > > > Castro for his treatment of his people, KERRY voted against it?
Sheesh!
> > > >
> > > > >Bush on the other hand avoided combat.
> > > >
> > > > Yet, under George W. Bush, *TERRORISM* had dropped 45% since 2001.
In
> > fact,
> > > > it's the lowest it's been since 1969. That's what is important,
given
> > that
> > > > the Islamofucks are trying to murder ALL of us -- even you.
> > >
> > > Like that is a response that disproves my statement "Bush on the other
> > > hand avoided combat". Lowest since 1969? HMMMM? That leads me to
> > > wonder what study
> > > you are citing.
> >
> > Cited as "Patterns of Global Terrorism-2003," Office of the Coordinator
for
> > Counterterrorism, US Department of State, April 29, 2004,
> > http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/31569.htm
>
> The reason I ask is that in 1969 there was not terrorism against the
> US of the type that the US has experienced from islamic types the last
> 25 years. So I was interested in how the study defined terrorism
> which that link does not address
>
> >
> >
> > >But please, its after 911. It does not matter who
> > > would be president after 911, actual terrorism inside the US would
> > > drop due to unprecident new measures that would be in place even if
> > > Bush was not president despite what right-winger like you have said.
> >
> > If ALGORE were President, bin Laden would be moving into the White
House --
> > in the fomer Lincoln Bedroom (which would be renamed ("Allah's Heaven on
> > Earth" in his honor) -- as a permanent guest.\
> >
> > And you'd be praying facing Mecca 5 times a day -- or you'd be dead.
>
> Ya ya. All of this type of rhetoric can be expected from a right-wing
> nut like you. Look even rational conservative commentators like Pat
> Buchanan don't deny that.
>
> By the way when Clinton did respons in someway in 1998 what did
> right-wing hypocrites like you say? You said wag the dog. Of course
> did Reagan respond
> to the 1983 marine barracks bombing in lebanon. No. In fact what did
> the Reagan administration do? They conspired with Iran which was the
> country that backed the Hizzbollah terrorist organization that bombed
> the marines in 1983.
> Did you call the Reagan administration treasonous?
>
> >
> > >
> > > But on the flip side, the war on Iraq has now recrutied thousands of
> > > new recuits
> > > that want to fight the US. Hosni Mubarek says that anti-american
> > > sentiment is at an all time high.
> >
> > So?
> >
> > Fuck 'em.
> >
> > Do you REALLY think that the people who danced in the streets when the
World
> > Trade Center collapsed were EVER our pals? Do you really think that the
> > same people who shouted "Allak Akbar" on 9/11/01 somehow were NOT our
> > enemies already?
> >
> > You *are* a stupid clown and a moron.
>
> You stupid fucking moron. There will always be the fanatics that will
> hate us. I am not talking about them. I am talking about the
> moderates who because of this war in iraq want to be the next
> generation of terrorist. So? What an idiot you are and you call me a
> moron?
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > [Source: Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism, Department
of
> > > > State, April 29, 2004]
> > > >
> > > > And flying the "Widow Maker" (the F-102) for *2* years of active
duty in
> > the
> > > > Air National Guard was hardly being a "chickenhawk," moron.
> > >
> > > Yes it does.
> >
> > No it isn't, ignorant moron. Not according to Col William Campenni
(Ret),
> > in a letter to the editor he wrote:
> >
> > "There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid
the
> > draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew
members.
> > Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to
2½
> > years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of
> > mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as
Lt.
> > Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going
> > through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival
> > training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to
nine
> > months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he
was
> > even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure
> > weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to
which
> > you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam.
Avoiding
> > service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.
> >
> > The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation
at
> > any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such
pilots
> > were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our
> > Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt.
Bush's
> > tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing
F-102s
> > was risking one's life....
>
> So this guy is comparing it to fighting missions in vietnam? this guy
> is supposed to be credible?
>
> >
> > ...While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar
> > games with Hanoi Jane Fonda,
>
> Ya and with that remark we know this guy is hardly objective. Does he
> know at least one of those pics was a fraud?
>
>
> >we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who
> > knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North
> > Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in
> > showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the
> > first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan
and
> > Iraq.
> >
> > It didn't happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir
of
> > Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed
they
> > were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and
citizen -
> > then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him
to
> > serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would
that
> > Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague
senators
> > and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.
> >
> > In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are
> > starting to get out of hand and it's time to stop and reset before
disaster
> > strikes. We say, "Knock it off." So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want
to
> > slander the Guard: Knock it off.
>
> actually please provide a quote where Kerry slandered the guard.
>
> >
> > COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired), U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard,
Herndon,
> > Va." [archived at
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040210-082910-8424r.htm]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Many went into the national guard because they believed
> > > it was likely they would avoid combat. That coupled with his probablr
> > > belief that the Vietnam war was right would make hime a classic
> > > chickenhawk.
> >
> > Liar.
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > FLYING HIGH PERFORMANCE JETS IS A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY. Especially the
F-102.
>
> I said avoid combat. Did you get that?
>
> >
> > >
> > > By the way his so called service in the national guard still has not
> > > been totally cleared up.
> >
> > Only in mind that have shit for brains. Does that include you?
>
>
> don't know moron. You have to stop this pattern of sayin stupid
> things and then accusing someone else of being stupid. I mean its
> just too silly.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >So who do
> > > > > you so called 'patriotic' right-wingers bash? You bash Kerry
instead
> > > > > of Bush. What a bunch of hypocrites.
> > > >
> > > > Because TRAITOR JOHNNY deserves to be bashed.
> > >
> > > Your dispicable and contemptous but typical right-winger.
> >
> > Fuck you, too.
> >
> > >People of
> > > your ilk
> > > love wallowing in your hatred. You love sinking into the depths of
> > > new lows even if it means bringing back the very divisive vietnam war.
> >
> > Fuck you, too.
>
> Well you did not deny it.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > His *3* DECADES of anti-US actions DESERVE to be EXPOSED.
> > >
> > > Of course everyone knows that anti-US in your mind equates to anti
> > > right-wing beliefs.
> >
> > You're a lying pig. Happy?
>
> what a response.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The American people deserve to know the depths of Traitor Johnny's
> > actions
> > > > AGAINST his own country as an elected official as well as an
anti-war
> > > > "protester" (who got his instructions from Hanoi and whose cause he
> > served
> > > > as a US Senator).
> > >
> > > Hey idiot. Let me tell you something. If you, and your fellow
> > > right-wing repubs, are dumb enough to make this an issue that PLEASE
> > > PLEASE PRESS ON HARD because it will sink Bush's poll #'s lower and
> > > lower. You see most people in the US will see it for what it is. A
> > > vicious partisian attack related to a very divisive event more than
> > > 30+ years that the VAST VAST majority of people would rather forget.
> > > But hey if you guys are dumb enough, then PLEASE PRESS FORWARD HARD.
> > > In fact could you please convince Bush to call Kerry a traitor to his
> > > country. Please convince Bush to use the most extreme rhetoric
> > > possible.
> >
> > Yawn.
> >
> > KERRY LIED AND US POWS DIED!
>
> Not proven but Please get bush to use your rhetoric. Please.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Traitor Johnny deserves to be kicked out of politics entirely
because he
> > is
> > > > personally UNWORTHY to hold elected office.
> > >
> > > Again. Write to Carl Rowe and try and convince Rowe to convince Bush
> > > to call Kerry a Traitor. Try and convince Rowe to use the most
> > > extreme rhetoric from Bush and in the ads as well.
> >
> > Why should I ask anybody to do what *I* doing myself?
>
> Because not enough people out there can here this kind of rhetoric.
> It will do wonders in killing any support for BUSH.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And for destroying evidence of living POWS left behind, and for
leading
> > the
> > > > cover up, Traitor Johnny OUGHT to go to prison.
> > >
> > > That has not been proved
> >
> > Proof?
>
> I am not aware of Kerry been convicted under anything related to this.
> If so prove me wrong.
>
> >
> > You go through life with your eyes wide shut.
> >
> >
> > >but its interesting that actions related to
> > > an event more than 30+ years seems far more important to you than the
> > > Bush administration
> > > misleading (and some would say even lying) the country to invade Iraq.
> >
> > His past actions are indication of his future behavior.
> >
> > In other words, once a traitor, ALWAYS a traitor.
>
> Of course despite your claim, Kerry is not a traitor. You clearl
> don't know
> the defintion of traitor.
>
>
>
> > Would you like to see him
> > as President if your son or daughter were a POW, given the way he ratted
out
> > the Vietnam POWS? Would you like to see him ABANDON another generation
of
> > US military personal held in captivity?
>
> Go ask repubs Chuck Nagel and John McCain any of these questons.
> After all John McCain was a POW and look what Bush did to him in the
> 2000 campaign?
>
> >
> > Maybe YOU would, but I don't!
> >
> > > Gee sure looks like you priotites are in line.
> >
> > Not true.
> >
> > My priorities are to insure that the American People know what a fucking
> > leftist traitor Traitor Johnny is
>
> Go ahead then. Try and make your views as public as possible by using
> the exact same rhetoric that you are using now moron. What country
> will Bush blindly lead us to war with next? How will he mislead us
> again?
>
>
> > -- so they DO NOT ELECT HIM. My priority
> > is to MAKE PUBLIC the past behaviors of Traitor Johnny. The truth will
> > make you free...even liberal toads like you.
>
> Even if it means distorting and lying about his record?
>
> >
> > Were you confused about this?
>
> nope but your premises on Kerry of course are incorrect and your
> inference
> you try and do are incorrect.
>
> >
> > Did you think I have some other agenda???
>
> You are
>
> >
> > The BEST candidate the Democrats had was Joe Lieberman.
>
> He was tied into accounting scandal and was for the unjustified war in
> iraq.
>
>
> > And so, you stupes
> > gave the nomination to Traitor Johnny.
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The only hypocrisy involved here is you stupids trying to pretend
that
> > Kerry
> > > > should go to the White House instead of the BIG HOUSE for a term of
hard
> > > > labor.
> > >
> > > Well that technically would not be hypocrisy but thanks for the phoney
> > > try. But
> > > PLEASE PLEASE TRY AND CONVINCE BUSH TO USE THE SAME RHETORIC THAT YOU
> > > USE. PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > He can speak for himself.
> >
> > I speak for myself.
>
> come on if you are so confident in your message why don't you go for
> it?
>
> >
> > And judging from the howls of pain from you stupid fuckers, I'm
succeeding
> > at making my point.
>
> Lets get one thing very clear. You accuse me and others of being
> stupid.
>
> YOU ARE THE DUMB ONE. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT COULD NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND
> A SIMPLE PARAGRAPH RELATED TO THE KOPPEL SHOW.
>
>
> >
> > In fact, my local VFW and American Legion hall have read the same
Schanberg
> > article (that I pointed out to them) and, boy, are they MAD at Kerry.
>
> will they ask for clarification from Kerry?
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there nothing the GOP will do not to win?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, unlike you asshole Democrats, we aren't going to become
> > violent if
> > we
> > > > > > lose.
> > > > >
> > > > > violent?
> > > >
> > > > Yep. Your hatred of Bush WILL lead to violence when Bush is
reelected.
> > > > You're frustration over losing is going to pop your corks. You
children
> > > > *are* going to throw violent tantrums and you're gonna take to the
> > streets
> > > > in violent protest. That *is* a given.
> > > >
> > > > >What are you talking about? Do you remember the 2000
> > > > > election and Delay bringing in those out of state repubs to
violently
> > > > > shutdown that recount?
> > > >
> > > > It never happened, liar.
> > >
> > > It did happen. Is your memory that poor?
> >
> > Nope.
> >
> > From an eyewitness account by Paul Gigot, editor of the editorial page
of
> > the Wall Street Journal:
>
> who is a conservative.
>
> >
> > "With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the
Miami-Dade
> > manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it
sounded
> > from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be
bad
> > enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès
ties
> > to behave, well, like Democrats...
> >
> > ...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting
"Three
> > Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago
1968,
> > but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is
filling
> > out the complaint card at a Marriott."
>
> listen buddy. I don't need to hear some conservatives take on what
> happended. I saw it with my own eyes. I saw them pushing and shoving
> people and waving their fist. They were not all 50-year old guys.
> Come on give me a break. You mean 50 year olds can't get violent.
>
> >
> > [Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
> > http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In fact, the "protest" (if that's what you can call a bunch of
middle
> > aged
> > > > men in cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers milling about)
> > >
> > > what does cashmire sweaters and Gucci loafers prove?
> >
> > Read the entire story I've cited. Use the URL, clown, and read it.
>
> What does reading that url have to do with my question. Answer my
> question?
>
> >
> > >
> > > > was over DEMOCRATS
> > >
> > > DEMOCRATS? your the liar
> >
> > No. YOU ARE the liar.
> >
> > "With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the
Miami-Dade
> > manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it
sounded
> > from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be
bad
> > enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès
ties
> > to behave, well, like Democrats...
> >
> > ...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting
"Three
> > Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago
1968,
> > but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is
filling
> > out the complaint card at a Marriott."
> >
> > [Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
> > http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
>
> where was the proof?
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > carting away the ballots to be counted behind CLOSED DOORS in
violation
> > of
> > > > law. Yep. YOU DEMOCRAPS tried to STEAL THE ELECTION and the
Republicans
> > > > protested it.
> > >
> > > Its more likely the other way around.
> >
> > Read the story for yourself.
> >
> > >By the way I am not a
> > > registered democrat. I am a independent.
> >
> > You're a liar.
>
> Yes I am and your in denial. I never voted for clinton.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Non-violently, in point of fact.
> > >
> > > No it was not. I remember what I saw.
> >
> > Prove it.
> >
> > Gigot who *WAS* there wrote:
> >
> > "With both parties spinning, I thought I'd go south to see the
Miami-Dade
> > manual recount firsthand. Surely it couldn't be as arbitrary as it
sounded
> > from Washington? And it wasn't. It was worse. Little did I know it'd be
bad
> > enough to inspire 50-year-old white lawyers with cell phones and Hermès
ties
> > to behave, well, like Democrats...
> >
> > ...The Republicans marched on the counting room en masse, chanting
"Three
> > Blind Mice" and "Fraud, Fraud, Fraud." True, it wasn't exactly Chicago
1968,
> > but these are Republicans. Their normal idea of political protest is
filling
> > out the complaint card at a Marriott."
> >
> > [Paul Gigot, "Miami Heat,"
> > http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pgigot/?id=65000673]
>
> You all ready showed that and that does not prove anything.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > But certainly loudly enough
> > > > to keep the vote-counting in PUBLIC where by law it is supposed to
be
> > done.
> > > >
> > > > > Right-wingers = violence
> > > >
> > > > Left-wing = TREASON and SEDITION.
> > >
> > > You would not know the defintion of TREASON and SEDITION IF YOUR LIFE
> > > dependent on it.
> >
> > "If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place
subject
> > to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put
> > down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to
> > levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or
by
> > force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the
United
> > States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the
United
> > States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under
> > this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."
> > [18 USC 2384, "Seditious conspiracy"]
> >
> > "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them
or
> > adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the
United
> > States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or
shall
> > be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but
not
> > less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under
the
> > United States."
> > [18 USC 2381, "Treason"]
> >
> > Note the part that says TRAITORS cannot hold any office under the United
> > States.
> >
> > Were you confused by any of this?
>
> And none of that Kerry has done you moron.
>
> >
> >
> > >Oh and by the way what do you have to say about Joe
> > > Wilson's spy wife being outed by two senior bush administration
> > > officials?
> >
> > Straw man arguments are the rufuge of morons who are losers. I do NOT
> > respond to straw men arguments.
>
> No remember you are the one that engages in strawman arguementation
> (once again the Koppel show). But it is related. They outed a spy
> that was currently working in Iraq. Your response shows what a
> hypocrite you are.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >And rank LYING!
> >
> > That's YOU, toad. And further, YOU are in DENIAL!
>
> FUCKOFF. You are a liar and a retard.
>
> >
> > >
> > > LYING = lying about sex and not real issue like for example matters of
> > > war
> >
> > The only liar in this discussion is YOU.
>
> Its you and the rest of your ilk that spouts tiresome right-wing
> cliches.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > But you won't succeed -- your side is the one who believes in "gun
> > control,"
> > > > after all. And when you do try your Putsch, it'll fail and the rest
of
> > us
> > > > will then be rid of you, forever.
> > >
> > > "rid of you", Forever. Gee what to explain what you mean there? Gee I
> > > think I see a some shades of your fuhrer hitler? Please explain. I
> > > want to here this.
> >
> > Becuase when you leftists begin your Putsch post Bush's relection, I
predict
> > that the little clutch of leftwing, Bush-hating howling monkeys posting
here
> > will soon either be cooling down to room temperature or on the way to
Marion
> > Federal Prison, charged with sedition and treason.
>
> Oh so bush hating = sedition treason. Gee now we know your fascist
> anti-constitutional mindset.
>
>
> > Frankly, either would be
> > okay with a lot of us. Why? Because YOU WON'T be on the streets
rioting.
> > YOU WON'T be dumping your lies and hate speech on the Internet.
>
> hate speech? Give me a break. You hate the constitution don't you
> george? You love fascism don't you george?
>
> > And YOU
> > WON'T be able to overthrow the government. And YOU WON'T be in power to
set
> > policy. Not for decades.
>
> liar. You mention Gun control and then you say "rid of you forever".
> It was clear what you meant.
>
>
> >
> > > Deep within that twisted sick right-wing mind of yours, what do you
> > > secretly dream will become of us libs? Please don't hold back I want
> > > to see just what kind of violence you would like to be done to us?
> >
> > I expect you people to try to overthrow the government, specifically to
> > somehow overturn the 2004 election if Bush is elected. I expect your
> > demonstrations to turn violent, even worse than Seattle's
anti-globalization
> > riot. I expect many of you people to act out as domestic terrorists,
> > complete with bombs and guns, ala Ayres, Dohrn, Rudd, Flanagan, et. al.,
and
> > the SLA.
>
> You are a complete nut. If there is any side that will try and
> overturn the election it will be yours.
>
> >
> > I expect the FBI to respond with force equivalent to the force YOU
people
> > use, and I do (sorry to say) expect your side to use deadly force.
> >
> > I expect a lot of you to go to jail or worse, given that it would be
> > sedition and treason during wartime.
> >
> > We *will* be rid of you because your leadership and many of your
"soldiers"
> > will be in prison. And your opinions *won't* matter.
>
> Ya right. Why did you bring up gun-control in this context? It was
> clear you meant to shoot liberals.
>
> >
> > >
> > > All this from a guy who claims its the libs who are violent.
> >
> > Yep. You are. Seattle. Remember the riot?
>
> Yep remember Florida?
>
> >
> > >George
> > > is so stupid that he claims on one hand that are libs are violent then
> > > the next thing you know he is making a statement that seems like he is
> > > advocating mass slaugher of libs.
> >
> > I've said no such thing.
>
> Thats not the implication I got. "get rid of them forever". Then you
> use the term
>
> >
> > I've just pointed out a few inconvenient facts to you turd-brains. I've
> > correctly identified you leftist scum for the people you are: Violent,
> > immature, "rule it or ruin it," punks and revolutionaries.
>
> Just listen to your ranting endlessly about communists and traitoes
> and you call us immature and violent? How many times have I heard
> some right-winger calling for killing liberals especially in the
> 1990's.
>
> >
> > You *don't* have to revolt when Bush is reelected. But you will....it's
> > your nature.
> >
> > >You would think someone would be at
> > > least smart enough to see the contradiction fairly quickly but not
> > > stupid George.
> >
> > Now, what contradiction is that?
>
> contradiction in accusing the other side of violence but then wishing
> violence
> on a group?
>
> >
> > Let's see:
> >
> > The vast majority of demonstrations that have become violent over the
last 3
> > decades were organized by liberals.
>
> Prove it>
>
> >
> > With the exception of McVeigh at OK City, the last acts of domestic
> > terrorism were perpatrated by the Left, not the Right: The Unibomber,
the
> > work of Ayers and Dohrn, the FALN, the bombing at the University of
> > Wisconsin, the destruction of buildings by arson at numerous
universities.
>
> and of course none of those leftist terrorist where even close to
> Mcveigh.
>
> >
> > Then there were the Seatle riots against "globalization." Did you
forget
> > about them? Were they organized by CONSERVATIVES? Not hardly, stupe.
>
> That was not domestic terrorism?
>
> >
> > You people *ARE* violent when you don't get your way.
>
> No its you peole that are violent. Threatening to kill liberals and
> kill clinton.
>
>
> >And you are NOT going
> > to get your way in November.
>
>
> Well we will see about that.
> >
> > >
> > > By the way. All of this is to be expected. How many times have we
> > > heard right-wingers on the net or on talk radio threaten to kill
> > > certain liberals or
> > > all liberals and these very same right-wing hypocrites accuse liberals
> > > of hate.
> >
> > The truth does hurt, eh, leftist?
>
> You would not know that truth if it smacked you in the face.
>
> >
> >
> > > unfucking believable.
> >
> > Yawn.
> >
> > I made my prediction. I hope it doesn't come to pass, but I bet it will
if
> > Bush is reelected. Leftists ARE a violent group.
>
> How many times a day do you dream of killing some liberal?
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > your a right-wing fucking moron george.
> >
> > And you're an shit-for-brained leftist. So?
> >
> > Have ANOTHER nice conservative day, out of touch with the American
people
> > and OUT OF POWER, FOREVER!
Docky Wocky
"You are one ignornat mother fucker. You don't know what a strawman is
and you don't know what treason is. What dispicable right-wing piece
of vermin you are..."
________________________________
When Kerry runs out of money and the Repubs are still pouring on the trash
like there is no tomorrow, then you will see how far they can go.
Eris
I cannot count how many times I heard that phrase in one variation or
another from senior officers and senior noncommissioned officers.
Always followed by Stop criticizing the war. This was when I was in
South Viet Nam. Also I see it spelled Vietnam. Which is correct?
We had a supply captain riding in supply choppers so he could get his
hours in for his combat flying wings.
We had a Major who was in a helicopter that had taken a hit and he
thought it was going down (this guy had no real business being on the
chopper, but was going for his hours) anyway he commandeered the
radio, pissed, moaned, whined, dictated his last will and testimony to
me, and imparted his philosophy of life before his death. Chopper
arrived and landed safely.
Its GasherbrumAgain
exuse me idiot. Your the one that said "Now you're a liar"in response
to my question statement "You can't point to one quote, other than
very recently where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard
service. Sure some in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron" .
So while obviously you did not say anything directly about Kerry
being critical of BUSH's NG service, the fact that
you say this statement of mine is lie implies that you believe Kerry
did say something negative about BUSH's NG service. Do you see the
logic or is it again over that little wee brain of yours?
Sure not going to get that from you.
Its GasherbrumAgain
exuse me idiot. Your the one that said "Now you're a liar"in response
to my question statement "You can't point to one quote, other than
very recently where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard
service. Sure some in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron" .
So while obviously you did not say anything directly about Kerry
being critical of BUSH's NG service, the fact that
you say this statement of mine is lie implies that you believe Kerry
did say something negative about BUSH's NG service. Do you see the
logic or is it again over that little wee brain of yours?
>
Sure not going to get that from you.
>
>
Its GasherbrumAgain
exuse me idiot. Your the one that said "Now you're a liar" in response
to my question statement "You can't point to one quote, other than
very recently where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard
service. Sure some in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron" .
So while obviously you did not say anything directly about Kerry
being critical of BUSH's NG service, the fact that
you say this statement of mine is lie implies that you believe Kerry
did say something negative about BUSH's NG service. Do you see the
logic or is it again over that little wee brain of yours?
>
Sure not going to get that from you.
>
>
Jim Alder
>> THEN WHY ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR, YOU FUCKING MORON?!
>
> exuse me idiot. Your the one that said "Now you're a liar"in response
> to my question statement "You can't point to one quote, other than
> very recently where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard
> service.
Excuse me, dumbass. You called me a liar first. Remember my correcting
your 'Your [sic] a liar"? I see you didn't even learn from that and made
the same mistake in the paragraph above.
> Sure some in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron" .
> So while obviously you did not say anything directly about Kerry
> being critical of BUSH's NG service, the fact that
> you say this statement of mine is lie implies that you believe Kerry
> did say something negative about BUSH's NG service. Do you see the
> logic or is it again over that little wee brain of yours?
Listen to me, Cletus, you slackjawed yokel. You said this;
"OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
possible to get out of the war."
Despite the grammatical curlycues that I would defy you to diagram, you
are in fact claiming that the RIGHT has brought the Vietnam War into the
political arena. To this claim I replied with a belly laugh and the obvious
statement that it is Kerry who has been trumpeting his Nam experience since
he appeared on the horizon. Your reply was;
"Thats bullshit. Name me specific quotes and times? Specifically name
one quote, other than very very recently, where he attacked Bush's service
or lack of service?"
Which of course I had never said.
>> "You can't provide a quote from kerry where he tarnishes Bush's NG"
>>
>> "You can't point to one quote, other than very recently, where
>> Kerry said anything negative about his Guard service."
You didn't go back and find those statements of yours without finding
the one calling me a liar, so I guess we can conclude that you are
deliberately lying.
--
Metaphors bewitch you
Its GasherbrumAgain
YOU JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU YOU DUMBFUCK AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GALL
TO CALL ME A DUMBASS. I AM NOT DEBATING WHO CALLED WHO LIAR FIRST YOU
RETARD!!. I AM POINTING OUT BY TWO DIFFERENT RESPONSES FROM YOU THAT
EVEN THOUGH YOU DID NOT SAY DIRECTLY KERRY EVERY SAID REMARKS
DISPARANGING BUSH'S WAR RECORD, YOU MADE REMARKS THE CLEARLY SHOWED
THAT YOU DID BELIEVE HE HAS SAID THEM.
>
> > Sure some in the media have but thats not Kerry you moron" .
> > So while obviously you did not say anything directly about Kerry
> > being critical of BUSH's NG service, the fact that
> > you say this statement of mine is lie implies that you believe Kerry
> > did say something negative about BUSH's NG service. Do you see the
> > logic or is it again over that little wee brain of yours?
>
> Listen to me, Cletus, you slackjawed yokel. You said this;
>
> "OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> very divisive vietnam war even though you would think, if when it was
> Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> possible to get out of the war."
>
> Despite the grammatical curlycues that I would defy you to diagram, you
> are in fact claiming that the RIGHT has brought the Vietnam War into the
> political arena.
I am claiming that they are taking it to a new level.
> To this claim I replied with a belly laugh and the obvious
> statement that it is Kerry who has been trumpeting his Nam experience since
> he appeared on the horizon. Your reply was;
>
> "Thats bullshit. Name me specific quotes and times? Specifically name
> one quote, other than very very recently, where he attacked Bush's service
> or lack of service?"
>
> Which of course I had never said.
Here was your actual response.
" Why? You're obviously deaf AND illiterate if you haven't heard him
belabor the point of his four months in Viet Nam."
So in the above context you are taking issue with my statement that
Kerry has not made any disparanging remarks up ,until very recently,
(unlike Bush's surrogate) about Bush's war lack of wrr experience. So
while you may have not said it directly its clear that you believe its
not true. So all you have done is evade the question and accuse of me
(like you will probably do know in your usual dishonest way)
Also Every canidate draws upon their past as a past of their campaign
message but do you think that justifys going back 30 years ago and
trying to
make it seem those medals where not justified because thats exactly
what I was talking about in my original post? Your first response
totally missed the point.
>
> >> "You can't provide a quote from kerry where he tarnishes Bush's NG"
> >>
> >> "You can't point to one quote, other than very recently, where
> >> Kerry said anything negative about his Guard service."
>
> You didn't go back and find those statements of yours without finding
> the one calling me a liar, so I guess we can conclude that you are
> deliberately lying.
Once again I was not looking to find out who called who liar first
BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT THE ISSUE AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED. I was looking
for statements that show, even though you did not say it directly,
that you believe Kerry did make disparanging remarks about Bush's NG
service. You see when you say "Now you're a liar" in response to my
statement "You can't point to one quote, other than very recently,
where Kerry said anything negative about his Guard service." then
obviously you believe you can find a quote by Kerry that disparages
Bush's record that is not within say the last week or so. Do you see
what I am trying to get at? No of course you don't because you are
moron but is probably going to call me a moron also. Gee go figure.
Come on you have been evading the whole issue. Has Kerry or his
surrogates, until very recently, made disparanging remarks about
Bush's war experience like Bush' surrogates have been making for
sometime? Please don't evade the question by saying you never said
that because this was the heart of my original post the whole team
even though it might not have been clear. Lets see you find some
quotes.
Its GasherbrumAgain
> Time, liberal pig, for you to fuck off
George, in your own foaming at the mouth right-wing way, your a funny guy.
Jingo
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
I see George is still snipping what he is responding to.
Put him in your kill file.
You won't miss a thing.
Jingo
"This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and
we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military
effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time.
You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having
a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You of heard of need
to blow some steam off?"
-Rush "Pimple on My Butt" Limbaugh on the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405050003
Harry Grogan
> On 2 May 2004 06:24:24 -0700, maynardgk...@hotmail.com (Harry
> Grogan) wrote:
>
> >Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94DDE3B3FF27j...@216.168.3.44>...> >> news:2535b750.04043...@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >> > OK So we have the spectacle of the GOP going back over 30 years to the
> >> > very divisive vietnam war...
> >>
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> >>
> >> Since Kerry first appeared on the presidential candidate scene,he's been
> >> unable to take a breath without telling everyone who would or wouldn't
> >> listen that he served in the Vietnam war. Now you want to blame the GOP for
> >> making it an issue????? You HAVE to be joking?
> >>
> >> > Kerry who at least served in vietnam unlike Bush who did everything
> >> > possible to get out of the war.
> >>
> >> draft dodgers or just cowards?
> >>
> >> > they been doing? Trying to convince others that Kerry really did not
> >> > deserve those medals? How despicable and dirty.
> >>
> >> Then why is he hiding his records? Why won't he show everyone the
> >> severity of his wounds?
> >
> >
> >RUNNING from the V.C!!
>
> Which means he was in a war zone, were you?
> Which means he was in combat, were you?
> Which means he close to the V.C., were you?
> Which means he was overwhelmed by the V.C., were you?
>
> Why are you chickenhawks after men brave enough to fight?
> Having your head dunked in the toilet too many times in high school?
>
> What causes one to become a dittohead?
>
> Alcoholic parents?
> Divorce?
> Sexual abuse as a child?
> Victim of horrendous Child abuse?
>
> I am curious.
Yes,as a matter of fact I spent a year in combat with the 9th.
Infantry Division in the Mekong Delta.I was awarded a medal for saving
the lives of three men injured in an explosion.What's funny is my kids
don't even know I was decorated for heroism,but John Kerry can't open
his mouth without reminding the world that he's a "decorated war
veteran". It was'nt all that long ago he was calling all Vietnam vets
baby killers.Wonder when he'll be tried for his war crimes he claims
he took part in?
George
"Jingo" <Ji...@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
news:7uql90hng95atugq7...@4ax.com...
> On 6 May 2004 12:43:49 -0700, gashe...@my-deja.com (Its
> GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
>
> >"George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
news:<c78u9k$lrf$0...@pita.alt.net>...
> >> Time, liberal pig, for you to fuck off
> >
> >George, in your own foaming at the mouth right-wing way, your a funny
guy.
>
> I see George is still snipping what he is responding to.
>
> Put him in your kill file.
>
> You won't miss a thing.
Am I in YOUR killfile, Kennemeur?
I hope so.
I love snipping at you behind your back. That way other conservatives and
even Republicans can laugh at you and repeat what I write as they humiliate
you too.
Jingo
Grogan) wrote:
Are you still hitting the Tai stick pretty heavy or just when you
post?
Jingo
"This is a pure, media-generated story. I'm not saying it didn't happen or that
the pictures aren't there, but this is being given more life than the Waco invasion
got. It’s almost become an Oklahoma City-type thing."
-Rush "Time to Send the Maid to Denny's Again " Limbaugh in Full Panic Mode
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3449870/
Steve Canyon
wrote:
What's going on here Kennemur? Did you lose another teaching job?
Didn't they warn you about touching those little boys like that?
----
"Well, that's the funny thing about terrorists. If they get what they
want, they stop being terrorists."
--Zepp Jamieson explaining how he'd deal with terrorists if they were
trying to kill one of his family members
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q5sc50lf1id03ms1i9truk78v2dk6052f5%404ax.com
"The South couldn't taken any more of the Missouri Compromise,
sensing (correctly) that it would kill slavery in the end,
and Lincoln planned to uphold it."
--Zepp Jamieson showing that he didn't know that the Missouri compromise
had been both repealed and declared uncosntitutional long before Lincoln
was elected.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=9j2n5vsqfga7l2fsrt0polt2eg6lqs71hv%404ax.com
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"No person pays corporate taxes. The corporation pays those."
"the corporation is not made up of people. It is made up of paper."
--Milt Shook explaining why he wouldn't mind if the taxes were quadrupled
on the corporation he says he created
http://www.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=8c046319.0403172013.7bb7c449%40posting.google.com
"The law doesn't "allow" any gender discrimination."
--Milt Shook presumably explaining the "diversity" in his dating habits
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=prqdnVQM8LfCsdLdRVn-ig%40comcast.com
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"Attacking the movie? Not me."
"The only criticism I have of it is that it sounds like a slasher movie"
"But it sounds like the movie is just one pornographic exercise in pain
and suffering"
"....allowing in slo-mo blood spatters like Gibson does."
--Mike Ross protesting too much while venting his displeasure over the
fact that Mel Gibson's movie is a big hit
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"Those are 187 Salomons and I know how to use them."
"There's a good reason that pretty much _everyone_ has abandoned the
long straight skis nowadays"
--Arne Langsetno bragging about his skiing ability, then, showing that
he doesn't even know that skis have never been "straight" and that you
could never perform the carving turns that advanced skiers do on straight
skis.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=fF08c.53759%24aT1.41227%40newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net
George
"Steve Canyon" <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in message
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Why am I not surpirsed that Jimbo likes little boys?