What Pig-losi said today
Dionysus
Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick hissself (Jimmuh
Cartah in burnt cork) hear what Pig-losi today told a professional group
having a conference in D.C.?
She said, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
That's scary way beyond her "...little dog, too" impersonation.
****************
"... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
the private sector just really hasn�t lived in the real world�--Senator
Orrin Hatch
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it
can bribe the public with the public's money." --Alexis de Tocqueville
"To force people to get health insurance, you've got to have a very harsh
penalty," --The Lyin' Prick in February, 2008
"A Nation Of Sheep Will Beget A Government Of Wolves." --Edward R. Murrow
No surrender!
Dionysus
Michael Coburn
> So, did all you bro-zos and ho-zos still in thrall of Nancy "Let 'em
> cake " Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick
> hissself (Jimmuh Cartah in burnt cork) hear what Pig-losi today told a
> professional group having a conference in D.C.?
>
> She said, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
>
SAD BUT TRUE. Until the House passes a side car (reconciliation agreed
to by the Senate Democrats) and the underlying Senate version. The
Republicans will continue to lie about what is in the legislation. They
will also continue to lie about what is in the legislation after it is
passed. But we are hopeful that the Congressional Research Service will
render their plain English version of the bill so it can be cited for the
people who want the truth.
--
"Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
Harold Burton
Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The Republicans will continue to lie about what is in the [Obamacare]
> legislation...
Which makes them different from DemocRATs, how?
snicker.
Econotron
news:UZSdnUps6YPZQQvW...@giganews.com...
> So, did all you bro-zos and ho-zos still in thrall of Nancy "Let 'em cake
> " Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick hissself
> (Jimmuh Cartah in burnt cork) hear what Pig-losi today told a professional
> group having a conference in D.C.?
>
> She said, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
>
> That's scary way beyond her "...little dog, too" impersonation.
> ****************
> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
>
> "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that
> it can bribe the public with the public's money." --Alexis de Tocqueville
>
> "To force people to get health insurance, you've got to have a very harsh
> penalty," --The Lyin' Prick in February, 2008
>
> "A Nation Of Sheep Will Beget A Government Of Wolves." --Edward R. Murrow
>
> No surrender!
>
> Dionysus
>
>
So, it is much preferable to do the latter, since if, upon the revelation of
the bill's contents, it turns out that we want the measure, it can be
brought to the vote again, this time with the overwhelming support of
American people :-)
e.
Nickname unavailable
Liz Cheney meet John Adams:A Founding Father, America’s first vice
president and its second president:Adams did precisely what you say
should disqualify lawyers from representing his country:He defended
the enemy
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aubGXwBDpM2o
Liz Cheney Would Call John Adams a Terrorists’ Pal: Ann Woolner
Commentary by Ann Woolner
March 10 (Bloomberg) -- Liz Cheney, meet John Adams. Perhaps you have
heard of him.
A Founding Father of our nation, he became America’s first vice
president and its second president.
But before all that, back when he was practicing law in Boston, Adams
did precisely what you say should disqualify lawyers from representing
his country.
He defended the enemy. Charged with murder for the Boston massacre of
1770, let’s call his clients the Redcoat Nine.
Adams advocated for them so well that he persuaded a jury to acquit
seven of the nine, including the captain charged with ordering the
deadly shooting of rioting revolutionaries.
And he was proud of it. Adams would later call the episode “one of the
most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested actions of my whole
life, and one of the best pieces of service I ever rendered my
country.”
If he had done the modern-day version of that and then taken a job at
the Justice Department, Liz Cheney would complain. She would say that
shows the president and attorney general aren’t serious about
defeating the enemy.
That’s what she says about Attorney General Eric Holder because he
hired lawyers who represented Guantanamo Bay detainees in cases
against the U.S. government.
Ominous Music
An ad produced by a group she cofounded called Keep America Safe
labeled the lawyers the “Al Qaeda 7.” Ominous music plays while a
video shows Holder promising during the presidential campaign that an
Obama administration would hire people who “share our values.”
She implies these lawyers, plus two more Holder initially named, aided
and abetted the enemy and might now be dangerously influencing the
nation’s approach to terrorism.
“Personnel is policy here,” she toldBill O’Reilly on Fox News last
week.
If former vice president Dick Cheney’s daughter actually believes what
she is saying, she needs more than a history lesson. She needs a
civics lesson, too.
These lawyers, like Adams, are aiding and abetting the American legal
system. It works best when opposing sides have lawyers dedicated to
capably advocating for their clients, however unpopular.
The lawyer who defends a child rapist doesn’t support raping children.
The attorney who represents a multiple murderer doesn’t approve of
killing. What they approve of, no doubt, is making the system work.
Determining Guilt
Besides, the whole point of the system, whether civilian or military,
is to determine whether the accused committed the offense. Cheney
skips over that step in claiming that these lawyers’ clients were
terrorists.
A lawyer herself, Cheney should know this.
But that knowledge doesn’t show up in her rhetoric as a conservative
pundit, so Republicans are lining up to try to educate her.
Attorneys who have represented Guantanamo detainees are “good,
honorable lawyers” and uphold “the finest traditions of our country”
by taking on unpopular clients, said Kenneth Starr on MSNBC. The law
school dean at Pepperdine University previously was President Bill
Clinton’s nemesis.
“It is part of the responsibility of lawyers” to represent such
people, Theodore Olsontold Politico. As solicitor general during
George W. Bush’s administration, Olson defended the president’s
policies.
Republican Statement
And 19 lawyers, including Starr and other prominent Republicans,
signed a statement this week bearing precisely that message and more.
“Such attacks also undermine the justice system” by “delegitimizing”
the notion that the accused should have lawyers, the statement says.
Its signers include Larry D. Thompson, second in command at John
Ashcroft’s Justice Department and now general counsel to PepsiCo Inc.
Whether before a military commission or civilian court, you need a
good defense lawyer to offer the strongest arguments based on
thoroughly researched facts, says the letter.
In these cases, defenders of the detainees fared better before the
Supreme Court than the defenders of Bush-Cheney policies. The court
ruled repeatedly that the administration had violated constitutional,
international and statutory law in its handling of suspected
terrorists.
Fit for Service
So, what makes the detainees’ lawyers anything less than promoters of
the rule of law? How does that make them unfit for service at the
Justice Department? Could it be that their very success is what most
bothers the former vice president’s daughter?
She would apparently prefer the Bush-Cheney lawyers who essentially
excused torture and advised that during a time of war the president
didn’t have to follow the law.
Two of those lawyers, John Yoo and Jay Bybee, at best used poor
judgment, according to an internal report released last month. At
worst they engaged in recklessness or professional misconduct,
according to ethics investigators who were overruled in the report.
Or perhaps Ms. Cheney longs for the days when you had to prove
yourself an ideologically pure conservative to get even career posts
at the Justice Department.
Nonetheless, Holder has himself to blame for not heading off the
Cheney attack. If he had disclosed the names of the lawyers back in
November when Republican Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa first asked
for them, if he had spelled out precisely how any conflicts of
interest are handled, he might have denied Cheney an opening.
An administration that claims transparency can’t go around hiding
information, even when it suspects its critics will abuse whatever
they are told.
But then, neither should a lawyer claim that the nation is somehow
weakened when it is held to the rule of law.
The first vice president knew that. The daughter of the last vice
president should, too.
(Ann Woolner is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are
her own.)
Click on “Send Comment” in sidebar display to send a letter to the
editor.
To contact the writer of this column: Ann Woolner in Atlanta at
awoo...@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: March 9, 2010 21:00 EST
Khemyst
Oops they didn't expect us to hold them to their campaign promises, did
they????
"Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in message
news:UZSdnUps6YPZQQvW...@giganews.com...
> So, did all you bro-zos and ho-zos still in thrall of Nancy "Let 'em cake
> " Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick hissself
> (Jimmuh Cartah in burnt cork) hear what Pig-losi today told a professional
> group having a conference in D.C.?
>
> She said, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
>
> That's scary way beyond her "...little dog, too" impersonation.
> ****************
> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> the private sector just really hasn�t lived in the real world�--Senator
Nickname unavailable
> Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick hissself (Jimmuh
> Cartah in burnt cork) hear what Pig-losi today told a professional group
> having a conference in D.C.?
>
> She said, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
>
> That's scary way beyond her "...little dog, too" impersonation.
> ****************
> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> Orrin Hatch
>
> "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it
> can bribe the public with the public's money." --Alexis de Tocqueville
>
> "To force people to get health insurance, you've got to have a very harsh
> penalty," --The Lyin' Prick in February, 2008
>
> "A Nation Of Sheep Will Beget A Government Of Wolves." --Edward R. Murrow
>
tsk tsk, denis has such a hard time finding any conservatives in
history, that actually said something, or did something that was not
considered being a crank. so he keeps using liberals as a cover, for
pretending that his slanted stuff has any real truth to it.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Edward_R._Murrow
Edward R. "Ed" Murrow (April 25 1908 - April 27 1965) was a Left-wing
American journalist and television figure. He first came to prominence
with a series of radio news broadcasts during World War II, which were
followed by millions of listeners in the United States and Canada.
Secular and liberal media historians consider him among journalism's
greatest figures being considered one of the first journalists who
would editorialize the news instead of just reporting the news. Murrow
produced a series of TV news reports that lead up to the censure of a
pro-America Senator named Joseph McCarthy.
murrow was warning us about conservatism:)
> No surrender!
>
> Dionysus
Dionysus
"Nickname unavailable" <Vid...@tcq.net> wrote in message
news:60521292-d0e4-4b25...@z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 9, 5:39 pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
> So, did all you bro-zos and ho-zos still in thrall of Nancy "Let 'em cake
> "
> Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick hissself
> (Jimmuh
> Cartah in burnt cork) hear what Pig-losi today told a professional group
> having a conference in D.C.?
>
> She said, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
>
> That's scary way beyond her "...little dog, too" impersonation.
> ****************
> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> Orrin Hatch
>
> "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that
> it
> can bribe the public with the public's money." --Alexis de Tocqueville
>
> "To force people to get health insurance, you've got to have a very harsh
> penalty," --The Lyin' Prick in February, 2008
>
> "A Nation Of Sheep Will Beget A Government Of Wolves." --Edward R. Murrow
>
tsk tsk, denis has such a hard time finding any conservatives in
history, that actually said something, or did something that was not
considered being a crank. so he keeps using liberals as a cover, for
pretending that his slanted stuff has any real truth to it.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Edward_R._Murrow
Edward R. "Ed" Murrow (April 25 1908 - April 27 1965) was a Left-wing
American journalist and television figure. He first came to prominence
with a series of radio news broadcasts during World War II, which were
followed by millions of listeners in the United States and Canada.
Secular and liberal media historians consider him among journalism's
greatest figures being considered one of the first journalists who
would editorialize the news instead of just reporting the news. Murrow
produced a series of TV news reports that lead up to the censure of a
pro-America Senator named Joseph McCarthy.
murrow was warning us about conservatism:)
************
Well, it's obvious whatever woman whelped you was cheated by a donor whose
sperm lacked the critical-thinking gene. Murrow's personal political
proclivities are of no consequence. He was warning of the evils of
totalitarianism...a form of government Nancy "Let 'em cake "
Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick hissself (Jimmuh
Cartah in burnt cork) are determined to foist on us all.
"Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn�t first take from
somebody else. You don�t multiply wealth by dividing it."-Author Unknown
"Government doesn't spread wealth, it destroys wealth' and it spreads
misery."-Mark Levin
No surrender!
Dionysus
snakehawk
> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> the private sector just really hasn’t lived in the real world”--Senator
> Orrin Hatch
>
Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
profit government agency either hasn't looked around at the rest of
the world or lives on Wall Street.
Occam's Razor
> On Mar 9, 6:39 pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
>> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
>> Orrin Hatch
>>
>
> Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
> companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
> profit government agency either hasn't looked around at the rest of
> the world or lives on Wall Street.
Japan has stagnant economy
Greece is Bankrupt
Portugal is going Bankrupt
Spain is in deep economic trouble
Iceland just declared major problems
Ireland is close to economic death
UK has been stagnant for 20-30 years
UAE is defunct
In Short... the list above the USA s a who's who of failing governments.
Numb-nutts needs to look at Greece..... they are ahead of the USA and
they are *BANKRUPT* and being on the brink of collapse is a good thing
for government health care? These Socialists think there is no end to
other peoples money for the Socialists to spend.
There are a few more that are worse off than California, thanks to their
Government and their government health care. Didn't Iceland just make
the news this week as also being on the brink of collapse? I know
Portugal is right behind Greece and Japan on the list of soon to fail
governments. Japan and the UK has economies that have been in the
toilet for over 20 years. The United States is looking pretty good and
is pretty high on the list of Governments that have good health care and
are still solvent.
It looks as if there are only a few Nations that are high on the list
and NOT on the precipice of failure.
> >
> >
> > 1 France
> > 2 Italy
> > 3 San Marino
> > 4 Andorra
> > 5 Malta
> > 6 Singapore
> > 7 Spain
> > 8 Oman
> > 9 Austria
> > 10 Japan
> > 11 Norway
> > 12 Portugal
> > 13 Monaco
> > 14 Greece
> > 15 Iceland
> > 16 Luxembourg
> > 17 Netherlands
> > 18 United Kingdom
> > 19 Ireland
> > 20 Switzerland
> > 21 Belgium
> > 22 Colombia
> > 23 Sweden
> > 24 Cyprus
> > 25 Germany
> > 26 Saudi Arabia
> > 27 United Arab Emirates
> > 28 Israel
> > 29 Morocco
> > 30 Canada
> > 31 Finland
> > 32 Australia
> > 33 Chile
> > 34 Denmark
> > 35 Dominica
> > 36 Costa Rica
> > 37 United States of America
> > 38 Slovenia
> > 39 Cuba
> > 40 Brunei
> > 41 New Zealand
> > 42 Bahrain
> > 43 Croatia
> > 44 Qatar
> > 45 Kuwait
> > 46 Barbados
> > 47 Thailand
> > 48 Czech Republic
> > 49 Malaysia
> > 50 Poland
> > 51 Dominican Republic
> > 52 Tunisia
> > 53 Jamaica
> > 54 Venezuela
> > 55 Albania
> > 56 Seychelles
> > 57 Paraguay
> > 58 South Korea
> > 59 Senegal
> > 60 Philippines
> > 61 Mexico
> > 62 Slovakia
> > 63 Egypt
> > 64 Kazakhstan
> > 65 Uruguay
> > 66 Hungary
> > 67 Trinidad and Tobago
> > 68 Saint Lucia
> > 69 Belize
> > 70 Turkey
> > 71 Nicaragua
> > 72 Belarus
> > 73 Lithuania
> > 74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
> > 75 Argentina
> > 76 Sri Lanka
> > 77 Estonia
> > 78 Guatemala
> > 79 Ukraine
> > 80 Solomon Islands
> > 81 Algeria
> > 82 Palau
> > 83 Jordan
> > 84 Mauritius
> > 85 Grenada
> > 86 Antigua and Barbuda
> > 87 Libya
> > 88 Bangladesh
> > 89 Macedonia
> > 90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
> > 91 Lebanon
> > 92 Indonesia
> > 93 Iran
> > 94 Bahamas
> > 95 Panama
> > 96 Fiji
> > 97 Benin
> > 98 Nauru
> > 99 Romania
> > 100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
> > 101 Moldova
> > 102 Bulgaria
> > 103 Iraq
> > 104 Armenia
> > 105 Latvia
> > 106 Yugoslavia
> > 107 Cook Islands
> > 108 Syria
> > 109 Azerbaijan
> > 110 Suriname
> > 111 Ecuador
> > 112 India
> > 113 Cape Verde
> > 114 Georgia
> > 115 El Salvador
> > 116 Tonga
> > 117 Uzbekistan
> > 118 Comoros
> > 119 Samoa
> > 120 Yemen
> > 121 Niue
> > 122 Pakistan
> > 123 Micronesia
> > 124 Bhutan
> > 125 Brazil
> > 126 Bolivia
> > 127 Vanuatu
> > 128 Guyana
> > 129 Peru
> > 130 Russia
> > 131 Honduras
> > 132 Burkina Faso
> > 133 Sao Tome and Principe
> > 134 Sudan
> > 135 Ghana
> > 136 Tuvalu
> > 137 Ivory Coast
> > 138 Haiti
> > 139 Gabon
> > 140 Kenya
> > 141 Marshall Islands
> > 142 Kiribati
> > 143 Burundi
> > 144 China
> > 145 Mongolia
> > 146 Gambia
> > 147 Maldives
> > 148 Papua New Guinea
> > 149 Uganda
> > 150 Nepal
> > 151 Kyrgystan
> > 152 Togo
> > 153 Turkmenistan
> > 154 Tajikistan
> > 155 Zimbabwe
> > 156 Tanzania
> > 157 Djibouti
> > 158 Eritrea
> > 159 Madagascar
> > 160 Vietnam
> > 161 Guinea
> > 162 Mauritania
> > 163 Mali
> > 164 Cameroon
> > 165 Laos
> > 166 Congo
> > 167 North Korea
> > 168 Namibia
> > 169 Botswana
> > 170 Niger
> > 171 Equatorial Guinea
> > 172 Rwanda
> > 173 Afghanistan
> > 174 Cambodia
> > 175 South Africa
> > 176 Guinea-Bissau
> > 177 Swaziland
> > 178 Chad
> > 179 Somalia
> > 180 Ethiopia
> > 181 Angola
> > 182 Zambia
> > 183 Lesotho
> > 184 Mozambique
> > 185 Malawi
> > 186 Liberia
> > 187 Nigeria
> > 188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
> > 189 Central African Republic
> > 190 Myanmar
> >
> >
Occam's Razor
>
>> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
>> Orrin Hatch
>>
>
> Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
> companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
> profit government agency either hasn't looked around at the rest of
> the world or lives on Wall Street.
Japan has stagnant economy
--
snakehawk
Dogs...@blackhole.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 7:55 AM,snakehawkwrote:
>
> > On Mar 9, 6:39 pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
> >> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> >> Orrin Hatch
>
> > Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
> > companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
> > profit government agency either hasn't looked around at the rest of
> > the world or lives on Wall Street.
>
> Japan has stagnant economy
> Greece is Bankrupt
> Portugal is going Bankrupt
> Spain is in deep economic trouble
> Iceland just declared major problems
> Ireland is close to economic death
> UK has been stagnant for 20-30 years
> UAE is defunct
>
Just think about that: with all their economic problems, those
struggling countries are still able to provide affordable quality
healthcare to all their citizens. By contrast, even in its headiest
days, the United States shuts out over 40 million American citizens
from even basic healthcare and leaves them to beg for charity if they
want decent care for their children. That's a world class disgrace.
Khemyst
LOL
That's like buying a car and hearing the salesman tell you:
"You have to buy the car to find out how much it costs and what's under the
hood"
Un-Bucking-Felievable!
"Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in message
news:UZSdnUps6YPZQQvW...@giganews.com...
> So, did all you bro-zos and ho-zos still in thrall of Nancy "Let 'em cake
> " Pig-losi, Harry "No negro dialect" Reid, and Da Lyin' Prick hissself
> (Jimmuh Cartah in burnt cork) hear what Pig-losi today told a professional
> group having a conference in D.C.?
>
> She said, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
>
> That's scary way beyond her "...little dog, too" impersonation.
> ****************
> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> the private sector just really hasn�t lived in the real world�--Senator
Khemyst
no contest. Private sector wins every time.
-Would you rather stand in line at a bank, supermarket or the DMV?
No contest.
"snakehawk" <snak...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
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Nickname unavailable
you refuted nothing. because you have nothing.
Ayn Rand was a high functioning, manipulative and cunning
sociopath:her writings are expressions of Borderline Personality
Disorder and therefore appeal to a certain borderline type:Galt's
Gulch and face the facts:Mental illness is real:the Sociopath Next
Door
http://blogs.myspace.com/psychorand
Wednesday, December 03, 2008
I get email.
Category: Blogging
I live in a neighborhood that has a small homeless population. One
such person within that homeless group is known to the rest of us by
her first name only. I can hear her now, outside my apartment. I'm
told she lives in a kind of dilapidated garage of some sort, where she
sleeps in a pile of blankets and debris. She often walks my street,
collecting bottles and cans for the cash deposits. Whilst on her
journeys, she often stops abruptly, plants both feet firmly to the
ground and launches a kind of "external dialogue" with the world. She
doesn't scream, but rather projects her voice with a powerful force.
Her chanting can literally be heard for blocks as she speaks directly
to phantoms that only she can see. Sometimes she appears to be
"lecturing" passersby with a hostile, throaty tone. It all comes out
in a weird staccato rhythm, like a drill sergeant. Mostly, she's
harmless and her monologues, indecipherable. This is the kind of
obvious mental illness we can all recognize. But there are other forms
of psychosis. And books such as "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha
Stout illuminate that fact clearly. Still, as I write this, the sound
of our homeless inculcator strikes me as familiar. I am reminded of my
first Ayn Rand girlfriend ARGF1, who's moods would alternate between
states of overblown confidence and abject misery from time to time.
When she was on one of her transient "highs", she would ad lib her own
monologues, paraphrasing Ayn Rand's vituperative critiques on modern
society with a bratty, flippant demeanor. ARGF1 was crazy too. She was
a borderline.
I'm surprised that my little corner of Myspace gets the modest
attention that it does. However, to my critics and others who would
send me email defending Ayn Rand: let me be clear.
The main topic of this page is Borderline Personality Disorder and the
reasons why the belief system of Ayn Rand appeals to certain
individuals who exhibit traits of that psychological malady. The main
topic of this page is not – I repeat NOT about the merits of Ayn
Rand's "philosophy". Take a psychological perspective on what she said
and how she acted in life. The available research on BPD is extensive,
so I suggest that Rand's defenders who don't understand the disease
should first read "Stop Walking on Eggshells" by Paul Mason and Randy
Kreger. For a different take on the psychology of Objectivism, read
Ellen Plasil's autobiography "Therapist", in which she chronicles how
she was sexually molested by her Objectivist father when she was 11
years old and other horrific events that took place in the Randian
subculture of her time. It is my opinion that Plasil's book is
essential to understanding the cult-like phenomenon of Ayn Rand.
In so far as Rand's "philosophy" is referenced here, it serves mainly
to reinforce the established and substantiated opinion that Ayn Rand
probably did suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder. Her black &
white / all or nothing / love & hate beliefs (including her narrow
views on art and music) reveal her as a borderline pretty quickly to
any person who has experienced a close relationship with a BPD
partner. Apart from Rand's own tawdry personal story, it's also
distinctly evident to me that her writings are expressions of BPD and
therefore appeal to a certain borderline type, as my experiences and
those of others have demonstrated. (I've been contacted by supportive
readers who shared their stories of relationships with Randian
borderlines.) It's very clear to me that Ayn Rand was a high
functioning, manipulative and cunning sociopath (see: gaslighting, as
the term relates to borderline pathology). She was also severely
narcissistic and imperious. She was afflicted with multiple
personality disorders (co-morbidity) and psychologically abused people
within her social group, perhaps most cruelly her own husband.
Evidence of her unbalanced psychology appears early in her life, as
Michael Prescott has observed. This is not a case of a person "losing
it" in her old age, although her psychological problems were magnified
during that later time period.
I suggest that my critics crawl out of the fantasy world of "Galt's
Gulch" and face the facts: Mental illness is real. Borderline
Personality Disorder is real. Now take a fresh new look at your
precious guru.
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Wednesday, July 16, 2008
THERAPIST: A book that is testimony to Rand’s destructive legacy.
I purchased a used copy of Therapist from Amazon. It deserves to be
reprinted and perhaps someday a new edition will be published.
It's an engaging read, but disturbingly so. I actually had knots in my
stomach while getting through it. In Therapist, author Ellen Plasil
recounts in detail her experience as a patient with the Objectivist
psychiatrist, Dr. Lonnie Leonard. Over the course of several years,
Dr. Leonard psychologically manipulated, controlled and sexually
abused the author and other women in his care. Years later, legal
action was taken against Dr. Leonard, and some justice was procured
for the victims.
Many of the doctor's patients were students of Objectivism, and it's
unsettling how immured they were, as a group. The doctor's sex
theories were highly informed by those of Ayn Rand, especially in
regards to his interpretation of the so-called "ideal man" that Rand
championed. Plasil says that she, along with other "students of
Objectivism" were all blinded by the mechanism of Objectivist culture,
where leaders of the movement possessed unchallenged authority, much
like a cult. It was this culture that enabled the abuse.
"Whatever their source, there seemed to be rules of right and wrong
for everything in Objectivism. There was more than just a right kind
of politics and a right kind of moral code. There was also a right
kind of music, a right kind of art, a right kind of interior design, a
right kind of dancing. There were wrong books which we could not buy,
and right ones which we should. Wrong books were written by "immoral"
people whom we didn't want to support through our purchase; right
books never were. There were plays we should not see, records we
should not listen to, and movies we should not pay to watch. There
were right ways to behave at parties, and right people to invite to
them. And there were, of course, right psychotherapists. And on
everything, absolutely everything, one was constantly being judged,
just as one was expected to be judging everything around him. And if
one was not judging everything that was around him, one was judged on
that, too. It was a perfect breeding ground for insecurity, fear, and
paranoia."
"The numbers of these blindly devoted went beyond coincidence. There
was more to this than just a chance meeting of several dozen sheep all
willing to follow their hero, their ideal man anywhere. Maybe the
"hook" was in the lesson that if Objectivism was the right way, then
being a student of objectivism made us more right than others. And for
those of us who were not certain of our value to begin with, such
superiority helped us ignore our self-evaluations and feed our
egos.... Or maybe it was in Ayn Rand's incorporation of "hero-worship"
into her representation of romantic love; show an Objectivist a hero
and the hero has but to take command."
Therapist reveals the dark side of Objectivism like no other document
can.
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Wednesday, July 11, 2007
Why I created this page.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder;
how I wish I had never heard of these two things!
And how I wish that I'd never heard of a person named Ayn Rand.
Actually, I'm reasonably confident that I never would have heard of
that name until recently, if it were not for one person: I will call
her Ayn Rand Girlfriend Number One, hereafter referred to as ARGF1.
I met ARGF1 about 1 year after graduating from college. I was in my
first (and last) corporate job at the time, making decent money and
trying to figure out what to do with myself. ARGF1 was slightly
younger and had a troubled life. Her father was a recovered alcoholic
and her parents were long divorced. I guess when she was about 15, she
dropped out of high school and ran away to the state where her father
lived. She slummed around, used drugs and ran with a group of punk
rock kids. But when she needed money or food, her father's place was
not far. Indicatively, she had very poor relations with both of her
parents, especially her mother, whom she often spoke of in disparaging
tones. Somewhere along the line, ARGF1 suffered from some kind of
abuse. Parts of that dimension within her history were known to me,
and others I surmised were either missing or suspect, because ARGF1
was a chronic prevaricator. Lies of omission were especially
problematic with her. However, it was certain that something terrible
did happen to ARGF1. I witnessed her trauma as she would break down in
tears, unpredictably on several occasions. Other times she raged and
her face morphed into the most ugly countenance I have ever seen,
before or since. I realized that those incidents occurred because of
triggers (unknown to me) that would cause her to act out. Those
moments were frightening and unsettling. I didn't know it then, but
ARGF1 had Borderline Personality Disorder. Clearly though, I did
perceive that she had Narcissistic Personality Disorder and was
unmistakably antisocial. My friends couldn't believe I was dating her.
Nobody liked her, including my parents.
What was I thinking? Well, I have my own problems too! I'm working on
those issues now. But, let's just say that in the past, I've taken on
the role of the "rescuer" in certain relationships. Also, I honestly
saw the good in ARGF1, even if others did not. Perhaps most
significantly, at that time I was very young. During college, I never
took a proper psychology class. I regret that now.
I mentioned before that ARGF1 was a high school drop out (she later
earned her G.E.D. after she ran away). In this regard, she was low
functioning and characteristically she also had trouble keeping jobs.
The false identity that she fostered, both as a brash punk and an
intrepid runaway appeared outwardly to indicate that she was
independent. The opposite in fact, was true; she was needy, insecure,
petty, histrionic and childish sometimes to the point of caricature.
Somehow, she cultivated an image of herself that equated independence
with intelligence. Her bookshelf was packed with second hand copies of
things I knew she could not possibly have read, including books on
complex subjects such as physics and mathematics. In actuality, when
she enrolled at the local state university, she had to drop out of
basic algebra because she was failing. She was intelligent on a
certain level, however she was not book smart. Revealingly, she only
really finished one specific group of books on that shelf. Indeed, she
read and reread these particular books thoroughly and memorized her
favorite passages from them, underlining the important sections for
good measure. These were the books of Ayn Rand; The Fountainhead,
Atlas Shrugged, We the Living, The Romantic Manifesto and lastly, a
title so sensationally vulgar that it virtually insures book sales to
the publisher – The Virtue of Selfishness.
I don't remember at what stage of the relationship I was introduced to
them, but Ayn Rand's books were obviously important to ARGF1, so I
reluctantly agreed to consider some of them. I wasn't a huge fan of
fiction at the time, so I first chose to read The Virtue of
Selfishness, since it was supposedly a summary of Rand's "philosophy"
and it contained long passages from her fiction anyway. Now let me
declare from the outset that I was immediately suspicious of this
work, since ARGF1's behavior was already troubling, and if these books
were informing her actions at the time, there must have been something
weird about her exaggerated enthusiasm for them. Besides, as a recent
graduate from an elite university with its subsequent required course
work in English literature, I found it strange that I had never heard
of this supposedly important author. My suspicions correctly reflected
the general academic position on Ayn Rand: She was a prodigious hack
who would never have been able to stand up to any kind of rigorous
academic peer review process. This work was nothing more than pop
philosophy and more importantly, it was dogma. To any reasonable
sentient human being, the first few pages of The Virtue of Selfishness
reveal the author as what she was: a hateful, pedantic, patronizing
and arrogant pedagogue.
But people with Borderline Personality Disorder are not reasonable
human beings. They are narcissists. When I tried to explain my
objections to Ayn Rand's "philosophy", my concerns went right through
one ear of ARGF1 and exited out the other side of her skull. It simply
did not register. To ARGF1, Ayn Rand was good, all good and nothing
but good. This hostile dichotomy of things that are either all good or
all bad is in fact, a hallmark of Borderline Personality Disorder.
Moreover, I think the ideas contained in The Virtue of Selfishness
were interpreted by ARGF1 to justify her destructive behaviors. At
times, Rand reads like a teenager who just discovered Friedrich
Nietzsche. It's crass, unsophisticated and simplistic. But that's why
it's so appealing to borderlines: It has often been written that
borderlines stop their emotional development at an early age. While
they may appear to be adults, emotionally, they are frightened
children. Rand dresses her arguments in a kind of pseudo-intellectual
aura, but really she appeals to ugly, base emotions. One of her
favorite words repeated continuously in Atlas Shrugged is contempt.
And contempt is what Ayn Rand exuded in virtually everything she
wrote.
With welcome relief, I ended that relationship within a year. I heard
through a mutual friend that ARGF1 had shacked up with another punk
and consummated an even more turbulent relationship with him. They met
at a punk club. It's my understanding that she cased after him when
she caught a glimpse of the Ayn Rand quote he had scribbled on the
back of his studded leather jacket. Sometimes borderlines are just
like cartoon characters. It would be funny if it weren't so
horrendous.
That was 17 years ago. I'd hoped to have forgotten Ayn Rand. But in
later years I would meet another person that would throw me for a
loop. Unlike ARGF1, she was extremely intelligent, talented and
beautiful. I was in love. In the beginning, it was wonderful. But Ayn
Rand and Borderline Personality Disorder would once again intrude upon
my world. Thus begins my tale of Ayn Rand Girlfriend Number Two.
To be continued…
Update: For personal reasons, I have decided to post only minimal
information regarding my former relationship with ARGF2. There is a
post regarding Ayn Rand tattoos that covers the topic with brevity.
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Thursday, June 14, 2007
Mental illness is REAL.
They call them "invisible borderlines".
These are people who are "high functioning" and outwardly, they appear
normal.
Inside however, there is emotional turmoil.
Control is what they need; control over their own feelings of inner
shame,
control over their significant others and family members.
Outwardly, they might exude self confidence, but during times when
"the
mask" is off, they often reveal an unusual and irrational fear of
abandonment.
It is this constant fear of abandonment, always churning in the
background
that makes the whole thing so tragic and pernicious.
What this all has to do with Ayn Rand becomes clear when you get
involved
with one of her borderline fans.
Ayn Rand's books are MADE FOR BORDERLINES.
Let me explain. And may I submit that I am not jumping to conclusions
here,
but I am now convinced that there is a quantifiable, tangible
CONNECTION
between Ayn Rand's ideas and the characteristics of borderline
personality disorder.
Twice in my life, I have been involved with BPD women that
"discovered" the
writings of Ayn Rand. The similarities of these two relationships, set
years apart
from one another are frighteningly striking. The cold, social
darwinism championed
by the hateful Ayn Rand appeals to the narcissistic side of the
borderline. Also, the
simplistic black and white solutions to EVERYTHING would seem
perfectly necessary in the BPD's mind. Ayn Rand's portrayal of human
beings as being either "all good" or "all bad" is 100% consistent with
their views of all others and themselves. And a lack of empathy
towards other people, so similar to what Rand preaches is a hallmark
of borderline personality disorder.
Not convinced yet? If your BPD girlfriend has ALL THOSE BOOKS on her
shelf, take a look at them closely, especially if the spines are worn
(evidence of repeated readings). Look for the parts that she
underlined. These passages are frightening glimpses into the mind of
borderline. Remember, Ayn Rand herself was a diagnosed NPD and current
research suggests that she had BPD also.
If you meet someone who claims that Ayn Rand has inspired them to new
heights of
philosophical awareness, be very, very concerned.
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Monday, June 11, 2007
Why did Ayn Rand use Dexedrine?
This is interesting.
Consider this description of Dexedrine from Wikipedia:
"Dextroamphetamine is a powerful psychostimulant which produces
increased wakefulness, energy and self-confidence in association with
decreased fatigue and appetite."
Self-confidence?
Why did Ayn Rand need a drug to boost her self-confidence? She
apparently held a negative view of her own body image. But her fans
claim that she was the most confident person who ever lived.
Question: Did Ayn Rand even like herself...?
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Sunday, June 10, 2007
This is how Borderlines talk...
An exaggerated form of hero worship is one of the many hallmarks of
BPD.
Consider these examples of quotes from Ayn Rand's most famous
disciple, Nathaniel Branden.
"I had come to Ayn out of the void - and I imagined that without her a
void was all that awaited me."
"I am in the first place I have ever felt at home in my entire life...
a place where only good can happen and no harm can possibly come."
Borderlines often speak about their lives as being "voids"... They
have a chronic feeling of emptiness. They attempt to fill that void by
virtue of idolizing their significant other (for certain amount of
time) until they "split" and devalue that person.
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Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
[Dr.] Stout says that as many as 4% of the population are
conscienceless sociopaths who have no empathy or affectionate feelings
for humans or animals. As Stout (The Myth of Sanity) explains, a
sociopath is defined as someone who displays at least three of seven
distinguishing characteristics, such as deceitfulness, impulsivity and
a lack of remorse. Such people often have a superficial charm, which
they exercise ruthlessly in order to get what they want. Stout argues
that the development of sociopathy is due half to genetics and half to
nongenetic influences that have not been clearly identified. The
author offers three examples of such people, including Skip, the
handsome, brilliant, superrich boy who enjoyed stabbing bullfrogs near
his family's summer home, and Doreen, who lied about her credentials
to get work at a psychiatric institute, manipulated her colleagues
and, most cruelly, a patient. Dramatic as these tales are, they are
composites, and while Stout is a good writer and her exploration of
sociopaths can be arresting, this book occasionally appeals to
readers' paranoia, as the book's title and its guidelines for dealing
with sociopaths indicate.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier
Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
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ayn rand novels are not historically accurate, nor are they the
product of a stable mind.
what is the definition of a crank? one who gives out advise that
makes no sense at all.
what is the definition of a crank? one who accepts, or embraces
advise that makes no sense at all.
definition of a cult:Confusing Doctrine Encouraging blind acceptance
and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible
doctrine, Chanting and Singing Eliminating non-cult ideas through
group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases
Nickname unavailable
if the nut case looked at the list of countries, and actually thought
for a minute. he would recognize that most of them are trapped in
milton friedmans monetarism.
Occam's Razor
> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Occam's Razor <If-It-Looks-And-Smells-Like-
> Dogs...@blackhole.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
>> On 3/10/2010 7:55 AM,snakehawkwrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 6:39 pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
>>>> Orrin Hatch
>>
>>> Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
>>> companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
>>> profit government agency either hasn't looked around at the rest of
>>> the world or lives on Wall Street.
>>
>> Japan has stagnant economy
>> Greece is Bankrupt
>> Portugal is going Bankrupt
>> Spain is in deep economic trouble
>> Iceland just declared major problems
>> Ireland is close to economic death
>> UK has been stagnant for 20-30 years
>> UAE is defunct
>>
>
> Just think about that: with all their economic problems, those
> struggling countries are still able to provide affordable quality
> healthcare to all their citizens. By contrast, even in its headiest
> days, the United States shuts out over 40 million American citizens
> from even basic healthcare and leaves them to beg for charity if they
> want decent care for their children. That's a world class disgrace.
You live in Oz....
--
Occam's Razor
> On Mar 10, 3:00 pm, snakehawk <snakeh...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Occam's Razor <If-It-Looks-And-Smells-Like-
>>
>>
>>
>> Dogs...@blackhole.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/10/2010 7:55 AM,snakehawkwrote:
>>
>>>> On Mar 9, 6:39 pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
>>>>> Orrin Hatch
>>
>>>> Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
>>>> companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
>>>> profit government agency either hasn't looked around at the rest of
>>>> the world or lives on Wall Street.
>>
>>> Japan has stagnant economy
>>> Greece is Bankrupt
>>> Portugal is going Bankrupt
>>> Spain is in deep economic trouble
>>> Iceland just declared major problems
>>> Ireland is close to economic death
>>> UK has been stagnant for 20-30 years
>>> UAE is defunct
>>
>> Just think about that: with all their economic problems, those
>> struggling countries are still able to provide affordable quality
>> healthcare to all their citizens. By contrast, even in its headiest
for how much longer? They are cutting back like the UK is cutting
expensive drugs.
>> days, the United States shuts out over 40 million American citizens
>> from even basic healthcare and leaves them to beg for charity if they
>> want decent care for their children. That's a world class disgrace.
Is begging for Government aid better than accepting charity?
> if the nut case looked at the list of countries, and actually thought
> for a minute. he would recognize that most of them are trapped in
> milton friedmans monetarism.
Yes they are, they will fail and there will be no health care for
any.... All their eggs are in one basket and that basket is now failing.
--
snakehawk
> You want to match the productivity of the public sector vs Private sector?
> no contest. Private sector wins every time.
>
What exactly do you think insurance companies "produce?" Insurance
companies are little more than unregulated banks that collect other
people's money and dedicate themselves to keeping as much of the money
for themselves as the law allows.
You want to match the amount the private sector charges for simply
managing a money pool with the public sector? The Public sector wins
every time. And the public sector never goes over the hill with your
money.
snakehawk
Dogs...@blackhole.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 5:07 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 3:00 pm,snakehawk<snakeh...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Occam's Razor <If-It-Looks-And-Smells-Like-
>
> >> Dogs...@blackhole.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
> >>> On 3/10/2010 7:55 AM,snakehawkwrote:
>
> >>>> On Mar 9, 6:39 pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> >>>>> Orrin Hatch
>
> >>>> Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
> >>>> companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
> >>>> profit government agency either hasn't looked around at the rest of
> >>>> the world or lives on Wall Street.
>
> >>> Japan has stagnant economy
> >>> Greece is Bankrupt
> >>> Portugal is going Bankrupt
> >>> Spain is in deep economic trouble
> >>> Iceland just declared major problems
> >>> Ireland is close to economic death
> >>> UK has been stagnant for 20-30 years
> >>> UAE is defunct
>
> >> Just think about that: with all their economic problems, those
> >> struggling countries are still able to provide affordable quality
> >> healthcare to all their citizens. By contrast, even in its headiest
>
> for how much longer? They are cutting back like the UK is cutting
> expensive drugs.
>
> >> days, the United States shuts out over 40 million American citizens
> >> from even basic healthcare and leaves them to beg for charity if they
> >> want decent care for their children. That's a world class disgrace.
>
> Is begging for Government aid better than accepting charity?
>
Using available community services is not begging. Many of the people
left to beg for healthcare have already done their yeoman duty, served
in the military, paid into social security when they had a job, ass
isted their neighbors, and were good and productive citizens. They're
not begging when they claim the right to participate with other
citizens. Citizens should not be forced to beg for universal
healthcare services that benefit the nation as a whole, any more than
they should be required to beg to use the sidewalks if they don't pay
taxes. But in modern Republican American, the question is, "What are
you doing today?"
Nickname unavailable
Dogs...@blackhole.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 5:07 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 3:00 pm, snakehawk <snakeh...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 10, 10:09 am, Occam's Razor <If-It-Looks-And-Smells-Like-
>
> >> Dogs...@blackhole.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
> >>> On 3/10/2010 7:55 AM,snakehawkwrote:
>
> >>>> On Mar 9, 6:39 pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
actually the u.k. is not failing, and if they do not succumb to
conservative fear mongering, and re-elect labor, they may get out of
it. the rest are milton friedman nightmares.
Japan has stagnant economy
correct, they did not regulate their economy, and cut taxes, which
set up a massive real estate bubble that burst, leaving them in a
deflationary inferno. their answer, monetarism. they slashed interest
rates to nothing, and flooded their system(stock markets, and the
banks)with money. of course that does not work, and its what frediman
advised. they are totally ignoring demand, which is wage driven.
Greece is Bankrupt
Portugal is going Bankrupt
Spain is in deep economic trouble
all are hampered by the european monetary union, which bases
everything on scarcity of money. its monetarism again, and its
deflationary.
Iceland just declared major problems
milton friedman advised them, and then praised them for their de-
regulatory actions. and said the liberty iceland enjoys will make them
a very wealthy nation.
Ireland is close to economic death
yes, its part of the european monetary union, and was also advised by
milton firedman, and is on a austerity budget as we speak, and
unemployment is soaring there. so a pattern here?
UK has been stagnant for 20-30 years
yes, margaret thathcher, john majors, tony blair, and to a certain
extent gordon brown, all milton friedmanites, captured by the cult of
free trade.
UAE is defunct
its called milton friedmans beach house on the sand. so no surprises
there.
Harold Burton
<c96cf174-8ce8-4c36...@19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Nickname unavailable <Vid...@tcq.net> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 6:21�am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
> you refuted nothing. because you have nothing.
>
> Ayn Rand was a high functioning, manipulative and cunning
> sociopath:her writings...
...scare the shit out of...
> .... certain borderline type
Like you.
snicker.
Harold Burton
<4caf4f27-6b46-4696...@19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
snakehawk <snak...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 6:39�pm, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
> > "... anybody who thinks that the government can do healthcare better than
> > the private sector just really hasn�t lived in the real world�--Senator
> > Orrin Hatch
> >
>
> Anybody who thinks that profanely rich and voracious private insurance
> companies can manage universal healthcare insurance better than a non-
> profit government agency either has...
...learned from the experience with the Postal "service" and/or public
"schools"
snicker.
Harold Burton
<67cced4f-0147-4c58...@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
snakehawk <snak...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:28�pm, "Khemyst" <a...@onandon.com> wrote:
> > You want to match the productivity of the public sector vs Private sector?
> > no contest. Private sector wins every time.
> >
>
> What exactly do you think insurance companies "produce?"
What exactly do you think governments "produce?"
Snicker.
Occam's Razor
That and paying your taxes keeps you out of IRS prison.
> They're
> not begging when they claim the right to participate with other
> citizens.
So they have a right to food and should be able to eat at any restaurant
or my table and fridge, or pick my pocket on the street under universal
hunger care.....?
> Citizens should not be forced to beg for universal
> healthcare services that benefit the nation as a whole, any more than
Then quit trying to steal from my pocket for you to give to them....
It doesn't help the Nation for people to get a free ride.
People don't know what they can do, until they are forced to do it.
> they should be required to beg to use the sidewalks if they don't pay
> taxes.
That is true.... but since we all pay housing and sales tax and that
pays for sidewalks.... we tend to accept that most people are paying.
Should we close down the Toll roads and let everyone on them because it
will "benefit the whole nation" or should we let those that use the
toll roads pay for those roads?
Michael Coburn
They are not created to "produce" anything at all. They are created to
provide for a system of interchange and insurance. That's right!
Governments are actually insurance companies but for the fact that they
need not make a profit. Taxes are premiums.
Occam's Razor
That and paying your taxes keeps you out of IRS prison.
> They're
> not begging when they claim the right to participate with other
> citizens.
So they have a right to food and should be able to eat at any restaurant
or my table and fridge, or pick my pocket on the street under universal
hunger care.....?
> Citizens should not be forced to beg for universal
> healthcare services that benefit the nation as a whole, any more than
Then quit trying to steal from my pocket for you to give to them....
It doesn't help the Nation for people to get a free ride.
People don't know what they can do, until they are forced to do it.
> they should be required to beg to use the sidewalks if they don't pay
> taxes.
That is true.... but since we all pay housing and sales tax and that
pays for sidewalks.... we tend to accept that most people are paying.
Should we close down the Toll roads and let everyone on them because it
will "benefit the whole nation" or should we let those that use the
toll roads pay for those roads?
Would you Take down all the parking meters in your city streets and
allow anyone to park there, since it's for the good of the Nation to
also allow poor people access to parking spaces?
Had you noticed that the government aid offices are in the government
building and they usually have parking meters and paid parking lots
around the government centers....
--
Harold Burton
Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:54:57 -0500, Harold Burton wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <67cced4f-0147-4c58...@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > snakehawk <snak...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 10, 4:28 pm, "Khemyst" <a...@onandon.com> wrote:
> >> > You want to match the productivity of the public sector vs Private
> >> > sector? no contest. Private sector wins every time.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> What exactly do you think insurance companies "produce?"
> >
> >
> > What exactly do you think governments "produce?"
>
>
> They are not created to "produce" anything at all.
And they've succeeded.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:49:56 -0500, Harold Burton
> <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> They are not created to "produce" anything at all.
> >
> >
> >
> >And they've succeeded.
> succeeded in doing what they're supposed to do.
Didn't actually.
Snicker.
Tim Crowley
Dionysus
"Tim Crowley" <timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Your hatred of America just knows no bounds. You're disgusting.
Jello Biafra.....Really?
Dionysus
>
Harold Burton
<2aafbe50-c587-4edd...@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com> whined:
Because Pig-losi made the idiotic statement "We have to pass the bill so
you can find out what's in it."
> Your hatred of America just knows no bounds.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
snicker.
Tim Crowley
> "Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2aafbe50-c587-4edd...@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com...> Your hatred of America just knows no bounds. You're disgusting.
>
> ************
> Jello Biafra.....Really?
1000% more brain than you have ever shown to have.
Yeah, really.
hint: you spam hate.
Tim Crowley
you have no right to utter the word, you have NO idea what it means.
hint: america hates you.
Dionysus
On Mar 15, 7:14 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
you have no right to utter the word, you have NO idea what it means.
Jello Biafra...really?
Dionysus
Patriot Games
He's a twisted little fuck....
Ask him about Walt.
Patriot Games
Tell us about Walt...
Tim Crowley
> "Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7b20c18b-e75e-4821...@a10g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 15, 7:14 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> you have no right to utter the word, you have NO idea what it means.
>
> Jello Biafra...really?
Yeah. Really.
hint: health care will pass on Sunday. You lies failed.
Tim Crowley
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley
>
> >On Mar 15, 10:22 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
> >> "Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:2aafbe50-c587-4edd...@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com...> Your hatred of America just knows no bounds. You're disgusting.
>
> >> ************
> >> Jello Biafra.....Really?
> >1000% more brain than you have ever shown to have.
> >Yeah, really.
> >hint: you spam hate.
>
> Tell us about Walt...
What do you want to know, retard?
hint: read a book.
Harold Burton
<7b20c18b-e75e-4821...@a10g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hint: america hates you.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
Snicker.
Patriot Games
The whole story...
Start to finish...
Michael Coburn
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:23:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley
> <timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Mar 17, 2:49 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:26:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley
>>> <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Mar 15, 10:22 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>>> >> "Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >>news:2aafbe50-c587-4edd-a9e1-
c462c5...@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com...>
>>> >>Your hatred of America just knows no bounds. You're disgusting.
>>> >> ************
>>> >> Jello Biafra.....Really?
>>> >1000% more brain than you have ever shown to have. Yeah, really.
>>> >hint: you spam hate.
>>> Tell us about Walt...
>>What do you want to know, retard?
>
> The whole story...
>
> Start to finish...
There is not enough time to educate you before you croak of old age.
Tim Crowley
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:23:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley
>
yawn.
Patriot Games
Tell us about Walt Crowley...
C'mon....
Tim Crowley
hint: you're retard quotient is showing.
Patriot Games
Tim Crowley
He was something you will never be. A man.
hint: hide, bitch.
Patriot Games
C'mon.... Timmy!
HOW was he a man? WHAT did he DO that made him a man.
C'mon.... Timmy!
>hint: hide, bitch.
No need...
Tim Crowley
Yet you will. You must. Like 100% of racist garbage, you're a
coward.
hide, kkkunt.
Patriot Games
But I didn't. I'm still here. YOU are the trying to HIDE and change
the subject...
>You must.
Nope. I'm still here. YOU are the trying to HIDE and change the
subject...
>hide, kkkunt.
No need...
Tim Crowley
>
> But I didn't.
Why are you afraid to come out of hiding then?
Don't try to change the subject coward. We're talking about you and
your fear of exposure.
Why are you afraid? Why aren't you man enough to speak proud, like an
American.
Poor little no name, hiding in fear and shame while men change the
world around you.
hint: scream in impotent pain some more. It amuses me.
Patriot Games
<timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 25, 8:31 am, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>> But I didn't.
>Why are you afraid to come out of hiding then?
I'm still here. YOU are the trying to HIDE and change
the subject...
>Don't try to change the subject coward. We're talking about you and
>your fear of exposure.
I'm still here. YOU are the trying to HIDE and change
the subject...
>Why are you afraid? Why aren't you man enough to speak proud, like an
>American.
I'm still here. YOU are the trying to HIDE and change
the subject...
>Poor little no name, hiding in fear and shame while men change the
>world around you.
I'm still here. YOU are the trying to HIDE and change
the subject...
>hint: scream in impotent pain some more. It amuses me.
C'mon.... Timmy!
HOW was Walt Crowley a man? WHAT did he DO that made him a man.
C'mon.... Timmy!
Tim Crowley
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:58:48 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley
>
Buahahahahahahahahahahaha. Go crazy, kkkunt. So, you never answered
the question? Why are you a cowardly liar?
HINT: YER NUTS.
Patriot Games
Coward and SHAME Exposed:
Fri, 19 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <5jo7q5d305tqi06ab...@4ax.com>
>> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
>Read a fucking book. idjit.
Awwwww.....
C'mon, Timmy....
Be a sport....
Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
Sat, 20 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<750b8d72-57fa-4813...@j16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
why?
Sat, 20 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <lqfaq59ur4r4v8olm...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy....
Be a sport....
Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
Sat, 20 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<d5205d35-56c3-4eb9...@z18g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
Ok. No. He was willing to speak his mind and use his name.
Sun, 21 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <vkpcq5d0ghnb171l3...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy...
There's more... Much more....
Sun, 21 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<80599f52-2a81-43c0...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
No, actually that's all. Walt Crowley was a man of honor.
Mon, 22 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <4udfq5te0kt1bees1...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy...
There's more... Much more....
Mon, 22 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<9a9c2c66-e7f6-498b...@a31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Tue, 23 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <je8iq5db1in4e6k3e...@4ax.com>
You seem to be wanting to change the subject....
Why do you want to change the subject?
C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy...
There's more... Much more....
Tue, 23 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<67a805df-07f5-4d61...@k5g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Thu, 25 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <14rmq55tqkehkjk18...@4ax.com>
Who were his parents? Did he have any children?
Mere education bestows "honor" on someone?
What was his education?
What did you read that informed you HOW he was a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy... There's a LOT more...
Thu, 25 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<9cbd3ced-8299-4bdc...@a10g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Thu, 25 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <5fpnq51rd4m7qnj96...@4ax.com>
You DO realize what I've done to you don't you?
I've exposed that YOU have a BIG SECRET...
Awwww... Did I dash your hopes that it would REMAIN a secret?
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
Fri, 26 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<b351f3a5-f63c-4796...@l11g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Fri, 26 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <ph1qq59ths00jq98p...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
Sat, 27 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<23019ce0-0671-4d4f...@j5g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
One more question, Timmy...
How old were you when you found out Walt was your daddy and you were
his bastard son?
Khemyst
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@america.com> wrote in message
news:opssq55ariaii18kp...@4ax.com...
Patriot Games
wrote:
>time to kill this thread
The post you replied to did that.
But since you FAILED to ASK me POLITELY I will now entertain you with
a repost:
Cowardice and SHAME Exposed:
Tim Crowley
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:49:37 -0700, "Khemyst" <a...@onandon.com>
> wrote:
>
> >time to kill this thread
>
> The post you replied to did that.
>
> But since you FAILED to ASK me POLITELY I will now entertain you with
> a repost:
>
> Cowardice and SHAME Exposed:
>
> Fri, 19 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <5jo7q5d305tqi06ab...@4ax.com>>> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
> >Read a fucking book. idjit.
>
> Awwwww.....
> C'mon, Timmy....
> Be a sport....
> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
>
> Sat, 20 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <750b8d72-57fa-4813-b5dd-195ee16b0...@j16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> why?
>
> Sat, 20 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <lqfaq59ur4r4v8olm...@4ax.com>
> C'mon, Timmy....
> Be a sport....
> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
>
> Sat, 20 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <d5205d35-56c3-4eb9-94e5-d4463acc3...@z18g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
> Ok. No. He was willing to speak his mind and use his name.
>
> Sun, 21 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <vkpcq5d0ghnb171l3...@4ax.com>
> C'mon, Timmy...
> There's more... Much more....
>
> Sun, 21 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <80599f52-2a81-43c0-935f-00f930495...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
> No, actually that's all. Walt Crowley was a man of honor.
>
> Mon, 22 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <4udfq5te0kt1bees1...@4ax.com>
> C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
> C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
> C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
> C'mon, Timmy...
> There's more... Much more....
>
> Mon, 22 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <9a9c2c66-e7f6-498b-8021-22c233e64...@a31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> Tue, 23 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <je8iq5db1in4e6k3e...@4ax.com>
> You seem to be wanting to change the subject....
> Why do you want to change the subject?
> C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
> C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
> C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
> C'mon, Timmy...
> There's more... Much more....
>
> Tue, 23 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <67a805df-07f5-4d61-a960-0973e3e90...@k5g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> Thu, 25 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <14rmq55tqkehkjk18harnfuijc6pvqe...@4ax.com>
> Who were his parents? Did he have any children?
> Mere education bestows "honor" on someone?
> What was his education?
> What did you read that informed you HOW he was a man of honor?
> C'mon, Timmy... There's a LOT more...
>
> Thu, 25 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <9cbd3ced-8299-4bdc-8132-4d3a69cec...@a10g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> Thu, 25 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <5fpnq51rd4m7qnj96jin76nv9casabo...@4ax.com>
> You DO realize what I've done to you don't you?
> I've exposed that YOU have a BIG SECRET...
> Awwww... Did I dash your hopes that it would REMAIN a secret?
> C'mon, Timmy....
> We're waiting...
> The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
> C'mon, Timmy....
> We're waiting...
>
> Fri, 26 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <b351f3a5-f63c-4796-8bde-7fc3d8f9d...@l11g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> Fri, 26 Mar 2010
> Message-ID: <ph1qq59ths00jq98pbg63mphcadbm3u...@4ax.com>
> C'mon, Timmy....
> We're waiting...
> The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
> C'mon, Timmy....
> We're waiting...
>
> Sat, 27 Mar 2010
> Message-ID:
> <23019ce0-0671-4d4f-b4a0-552f4559b...@j5g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>
> One more question, Timmy...
>
> How old were you when you found out Walt was your daddy and you were
> his bastard son?
>
>
>
> >> Message-ID: <5jo7q5d305tqi06ab84k0580tf6duno...@4ax.com>
> >>>> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
> >>>Read a fucking book. idjit.
> >> Awwwww.....
> >> C'mon, Timmy....
> >> Be a sport....
> >> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
>
> >> Sat, 20 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <750b8d72-57fa-4813-b5dd-195ee16b0...@j16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> >> why?
>
> >> Sat, 20 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID: <lqfaq59ur4r4v8olm0ve20heccmjro0...@4ax.com>
> >> C'mon, Timmy....
> >> Be a sport....
> >> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
>
> >> Sat, 20 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <d5205d35-56c3-4eb9-94e5-d4463acc3...@z18g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
> >> Ok. No. He was willing to speak his mind and use his name.
>
> >> Sun, 21 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID: <vkpcq5d0ghnb171l32e284prv0ug9gu...@4ax.com>
> >> C'mon, Timmy...
> >> There's more... Much more....
>
> >> Sun, 21 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <80599f52-2a81-43c0-935f-00f930495...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
> >> No, actually that's all. Walt Crowley was a man of honor.
>
> >> Mon, 22 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID: <4udfq5te0kt1bees1m85clatspl0vla...@4ax.com>
> >> C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
> >> C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
> >> C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
> >> C'mon, Timmy...
> >> There's more... Much more....
>
> >> Mon, 22 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <9a9c2c66-e7f6-498b-8021-22c233e64...@a31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
> >> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> >> Tue, 23 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID: <je8iq5db1in4e6k3e29b44pgtldns12...@4ax.com>
> >> You seem to be wanting to change the subject....
> >> Why do you want to change the subject?
> >> C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
> >> C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
> >> C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
> >> C'mon, Timmy...
> >> There's more... Much more....
>
> >> Tue, 23 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <67a805df-07f5-4d61-a960-0973e3e90...@k5g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
> >> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> >> Thu, 25 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID: <14rmq55tqkehkjk18harnfuijc6pvqe...@4ax.com>
> >> Who were his parents? Did he have any children?
> >> Mere education bestows "honor" on someone?
> >> What was his education?
> >> What did you read that informed you HOW he was a man of honor?
> >> C'mon, Timmy... There's a LOT more...
>
> >> Thu, 25 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <9cbd3ced-8299-4bdc-8132-4d3a69cec...@a10g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
> >> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> >> Thu, 25 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID: <5fpnq51rd4m7qnj96jin76nv9casabo...@4ax.com>
> >> You DO realize what I've done to you don't you?
> >> I've exposed that YOU have a BIG SECRET...
> >> Awwww... Did I dash your hopes that it would REMAIN a secret?
> >> C'mon, Timmy....
> >> We're waiting...
> >> The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
> >> C'mon, Timmy....
> >> We're waiting...
>
> >> Fri, 26 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <b351f3a5-f63c-4796-8bde-7fc3d8f9d...@l11g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
> >> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> >> Fri, 26 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID: <ph1qq59ths00jq98pbg63mphcadbm3u...@4ax.com>
> >> C'mon, Timmy....
> >> We're waiting...
> >> The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
> >> C'mon, Timmy....
> >> We're waiting...
>
> >> Sat, 27 Mar 2010
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <23019ce0-0671-4d4f-b4a0-552f4559b...@j5g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> >> <nothing intelligent...>
>
> >> Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
>
> >> One more question, Timmy...
>
> >> How old were you when you found out Walt was your daddy and you were
> >> his bastard son?
Buahahahahahahahahah,
go crazy some more, coward. It makes me laugh.
hint: you're an insane, frightened child. hide, kkkunt.
Tim Crowley
> time to kill this thread
It died a looooooong time ago. Now we are just being amused by a
racist, no name coward showing how insane she really is.
Patriot Games
Learn to live with your Cowardice, Timmy...
It will never go away...
>hint: you're an insane, frightened child. hide, kkkunt.
Cowardice and SHAME Exposed:
Fri, 19 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <5jo7q5d305tqi06ab...@4ax.com>
>> Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
>Read a fucking book. idjit.
Awwwww.....
C'mon, Timmy....
Be a sport....
Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
Sat, 20 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<750b8d72-57fa-4813...@j16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
why?
Sat, 20 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <lqfaq59ur4r4v8olm...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy....
Be a sport....
Tell us about Walt Crowley, Timmy.
Sat, 20 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<d5205d35-56c3-4eb9...@z18g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
Ok. No. He was willing to speak his mind and use his name.
Sun, 21 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <vkpcq5d0ghnb171l3...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy...
There's more... Much more....
Sun, 21 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<80599f52-2a81-43c0...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
No, actually that's all. Walt Crowley was a man of honor.
Mon, 22 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <4udfq5te0kt1bees1...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy...
There's more... Much more....
Mon, 22 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<9a9c2c66-e7f6-498b...@a31g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Tue, 23 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <je8iq5db1in4e6k3e...@4ax.com>
You seem to be wanting to change the subject....
Why do you want to change the subject?
C'mon, Timmy! WHY was he a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW did he become a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy! HOW do YOU know he was a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy...
There's more... Much more....
Tue, 23 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<67a805df-07f5-4d61...@k5g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Thu, 25 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <14rmq55tqkehkjk18...@4ax.com>
Who were his parents? Did he have any children?
Mere education bestows "honor" on someone?
What was his education?
What did you read that informed you HOW he was a man of honor?
C'mon, Timmy... There's a LOT more...
Thu, 25 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<9cbd3ced-8299-4bdc...@a10g2000pri.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Thu, 25 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <5fpnq51rd4m7qnj96...@4ax.com>
You DO realize what I've done to you don't you?
I've exposed that YOU have a BIG SECRET...
Awwww... Did I dash your hopes that it would REMAIN a secret?
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
Fri, 26 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
<b351f3a5-f63c-4796...@l11g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
<nothing intelligent...>
Fri, 26 Mar 2010
From: Patriot Games <Pat...@america.com>
Message-ID: <ph1qq59ths00jq98p...@4ax.com>
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
The ONLY person hiding is YOU...
C'mon, Timmy....
We're waiting...
Sat, 27 Mar 2010
From: Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com>
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Tim Crowley
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:51:44 -0700 (PDT), Tim Crowley
Buahahahaha, that's so funny coming from a no-name bitch.
hint: hide.
Patriot Games
Not hiding... I'm right here....