Senate's Slimy 60
Dionysus
American values. It'll be fun watching the recriminations, retaliations, and
regret in November 2010.
No Surrender!
Dionysus
Witziges R�tsel
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> So, the Senate's Slimy 60 showed us all last night how little they
> prize American values. It'll be fun watching the recriminations,
> retaliations, and regret in November 2010.
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Dionysus
"Witziges R�tsel" <z...@roer.invalid.com> wrote in message
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That's not the right question.
No Surrender!
Dionysus
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Beam Me Up Scotty
You don't tell me what to buy!
hal
No one is going to tell you what to buy. Presently proposed bills do
not in any way force people with private insurance to change anything.
If you've been told otherwise you've been lied to.
1-20-2013
> In article <U6mdnRuWjI1N2JTW...@giganews.com>,
> "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote:
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>> So, the Senate's Slimy 60 showed us all last night how little they prize
>> American values. It'll be fun watching the recriminations, retaliations, and
>> regret in November 2010.
>
Imagine the sleazy back room, corruption and palm greasing that Harry
Reid and gang was involved in the past few days leading up to last
nights vote????
We all know about the $300 million dollar "Louisiana Purchase" that
*somehow* convinced Louisiana senator Mary Landrieu (wink, wink, nudge,
nudge, say no more ;^D ) to vote for allowing the debate to proceed.
It's staggering to imagine the other graft and payouts that we haven't
heard about yet.
BTW - is $300 million the going rate these days to buy a senators vote?
I suspect a really sleazy senator like Roland Burris (D - Illinois)
would hold out for a lot more than a mere $300 million to buy his vote.
It'll be funny after the midterms in 2010 and especially after the 2012
elections to hear liberals whining about "stolen elections" after these
corrupt senators that voted to allow the health care initiative to go
forward are voted out of office with a resounding thud!!!
1-20-2013
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:31:34 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
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>> Witziges R�tsel wrote:
>>> "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in message
>>> news:U6mdnRuWjI1N2JTW...@giganews.com...
>>>> So, the Senate's Slimy 60 showed us all last night how little they
>>>> prize American values. It'll be fun watching the recriminations,
>>>> retaliations, and regret in November 2010.
>>>>
>>> What do you like about the way health insurance now works?
>> You don't tell me what to buy!
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> No one is going to tell you what to buy.
Of *course* not ;^D <sarcasm off>
After a few years of ObamaCare, as insurance companies folk due to not
being able to compete with Uncle Sam....everyone will be told what to
buy...and their taxes will go through the roof to be able to buy
substandard "health care"....or whatever it will be referred to at that
point.
> Presently proposed bills do
> not in any way force people with private insurance to change anything.
> If you've been told otherwise you've been lied to.
ROTFLMMFAO!!!!! Hold on to your wallets folks. EVERYONE's taxes are
going to skyrocket due to Obama's health care debacle.
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Dionysus
"1-20-2013" <0120...@obamas-lastday.com> wrote in message
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Yep. Gonna be fun to watch it all; hope each of The Slimy 60 go down.
No Surrender!
Dionysus
Beam Me Up Scotty
> 1-20-2013 <0120...@obamas-lastday.com> wrote:
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>> After a few years of ObamaCare, as insurance companies folk due to not
>> being able to compete with Uncle Sam....everyone will be told what to
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> have to keep their clients satisfied. I don't care if you will be able to
> continue to spend more money for less care than I do; I do care if you skip on
> your bills and make me pay for you.
>
And government care will put your nonprofit out of the client business.
Through attrition they will steal your fellow plan participants and
they will be ushered to the government plan, until it is no longer
practice and your plan raises the price or changes the coverage, at
which point everyone in your plan will be shifted to Obama-care.
To bad you lose....
Beam Me Up Scotty
> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
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You never paid a dime for me and I have had a great life without
insurance, thank you.
Why do I have to pay for Africans health care? Your Logic is breaking
down.... you're concerned that I must pay, but you are happy if the
continent of Africa sends me their bill?
You are defeating your own argument by forcing me to pay for African
health care. Sorry but you are another Liberal/Socialist nut with no
rational basis for your opinions.
Democracy Highlander
Keep in mind that US barely rank #37 as quality of health care
available for the average citizen,
yet for this pathetic #37 place we pay per capita more that twice as
#1, France.
Another study found that Brits are way healthier than Americans
despite the fact that they smoke more, drink much more and pay per
capita for healthcare only 40% from what we pay.
In newborn mortality US score behind all the industrial world, yet we
pay more that twice as anybody else.
Medicare have an administrative overhead of under 2% while private
insurers work with administrative overheads between 35 to over 60%.
This is an inefficient as it can get.
Unless this huge insurance industry oligopoly have a true competitor
they will never ever try to do anything to improve the care for the
money, but just jack premiums and cut benefits.
No public plan in Europe have so much rationalization as the private
insurers in US. Cap limits, uncovered expenses, uncovered
"experimental" procedures (some of them labeled "experimental" despite
the fact they were discovered/invented in 1950s), deductible,
preconditions, copayments, maximum per member/family or lifetime
maximum etc... all these are nothing else but CARE RATIONALIZATION at
it worst, to pump up profits.
And the rationalization decision is taken by a faceless bureaucrat
from insurance company not in order to provide a chance to life to a
sicker man but to give more bonuses to the multi millionaire CEOs.
For almost a whole CENTURY, the private industry had the opportunity
to improve the care in US. They failed over and over and over again a
hundred times. Always they just increased premiums, cut benefits and
overpriced out low wage hard working Americans.
Millions and millions of Americans were forced in bankruptcy or lost
houses due to medical expenses. There in NOT A SINGLE BANKRUPTCY in
all the Western Europe due to medical care. Not a single one.
Dave Heil
> In article <4B09757...@Talk-n-dog.com>,
> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
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Nobody has asked for you to pay anything. The government of the United
States does not have the right to dictate that I have health insurance
or to fine me for not having it. Bank on it.
Dave Heil
>> being able to compete with Uncle Sam....everyone will be told what to
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> have to keep their clients satisfied. I don't care if you will be able to
> continue to spend more money for less care than I do; I do care if you skip on
> your bills and make me pay for you.
Quit worrying about me. Just worry about you.
Clave
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Maybe you could get the ACLU to help you out with that.
Jim
Econotron
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> Keep in mind that US barely rank #37 as quality of health care
> available for the average citizen,
> yet for this pathetic #37 place we pay per capita more that twice as
> #1, France.
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reflect the fact that not everybody in the US has the same access to health
care, but if you compare those who have, the US will be at the very top.
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> Another study found that Brits are way healthier than Americans
> despite the fact that they smoke more, drink much more and pay per
> capita for healthcare only 40% from what we pay.
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care. Perhaps, the healthiest nation would be the one, where sick are not
treated at all. And then, it is not surprising that healthier people (like
in Britain, if we believed you) spend less on a health care.
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> In newborn mortality US score behind all the industrial world, yet we
> pay more that twice as anybody else.
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> Medicare have an administrative overhead of under 2% while private
> insurers work with administrative overheads between 35 to over 60%.
> This is an inefficient as it can get.
> Unless this huge insurance industry oligopoly have a true competitor
> they will never ever try to do anything to improve the care for the
> money, but just jack premiums and cut benefits.
>
>
Medicare is 3% on average, and administrative overhead of the private
insurers is 12%!! 31% is the administrative costs overall, which includes
hospitals (and the latter is a main source of inefficiency). So your guess
is way, way off.
Now, let's take that "per" patient you are talking about. If you pay $10,000
in claims per year and spend $1000 on administration, your overhead is 10%.
If you pay $100,000 in claims (but admin is still $1000, since it is still
one patient), then your overhead is 1%. Getting the drift? Which patient
consumes more in claims, Medicare or privately insured? Anyway, the real
efficiency of the private insurers is about 20% higher than the Medicare's
(and this does not consider the fact that private insurers have to do much
more screening work).
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> No public plan in Europe have so much rationalization as the private
> insurers in US. Cap limits, uncovered expenses, uncovered
> "experimental" procedures (some of them labeled "experimental" despite
> the fact they were discovered/invented in 1950s), deductible,
> preconditions, copayments, maximum per member/family or lifetime
> maximum etc... all these are nothing else but CARE RATIONALIZATION at
> it worst, to pump up profits.
> And the rationalization decision is taken by a faceless bureaucrat
> from insurance company not in order to provide a chance to life to a
> sicker man but to give more bonuses to the multi millionaire CEOs.
>
it is pure lie and propaganda.
>
> For almost a whole CENTURY, the private industry had the opportunity
> to improve the care in US. They failed over and over and over again a
> hundred times. Always they just increased premiums, cut benefits and
> overpriced out low wage hard working Americans.
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certain you did not, because then you would have noticed how the premiums
were rising over the years, but also the choices were disappearing,
especially in the states with the most regulations and mandates. And the
insurer after insurer were leaving those states. And anyhow, improving
health care is not insurers' responsibility. Everybody owes you something.
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> Millions and millions of Americans were forced in bankruptcy or lost
> houses due to medical expenses. There in NOT A SINGLE BANKRUPTCY in
> all the Western Europe due to medical care. Not a single one.
>
is coming. The bankruptcy of the social-democratic state.
e,
Beam Me Up Scotty
> "Democracy Highlander" <democracy....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Keep in mind that US barely rank #37 as quality of health care
>> available for the average citizen,
>> yet for this pathetic #37 place we pay per capita more that twice as
>> #1, France.
France is unique, all they need is Gynecologists.... because they are
all Pu**ies.
hal
liar.
>>
kim
<chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <XNKdnaz49qNKH5TW...@rcn.net>,
> 1-20-2013 <0120...@obamas-lastday.com> wrote:
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>> > In article <U6mdnRuWjI1N2JTW...@giganews.com>,
>> > "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So, the Senate's Slimy 60 showed us all last night how little they prize
>> >> American values. It'll be fun watching the recriminations, retaliations,
>> >> and
>> >> regret in November 2010.
>> >
>> > You failed.
>>
>> Imagine the sleazy back room, corruption and palm greasing that Harry
>> Reid and gang was involved in the past few days leading up to last
>> nights vote????
>
>Only about 20 of these senators are up for reelection in 2010. You failed as
>well.
LMAO
Michael Coburn
I agree that some of the 60 are pretty slimy. But the lead slime balls
at this point are LIEberman, Baucus, Lincoln, Landriu, and Nelson. And
there's always Harry Reid himself.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
AnAmericanCitizen
Like everybody else, you really have no idea what the final bill is going to look
like. I would be happy to make a wager with you that all the negatives that thinking
people expect will be there....AAC
Morton Davis
"Witziges R�tsel" <z...@roer.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> So, the Senate's Slimy 60 showed us all last night how little they
>> prize American values. It'll be fun watching the recriminations,
>> retaliations, and regret in November 2010.
>>
> What do you like about the way health insurance now works?
>
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of the market. 55% of employees are covered by their employer's self
insurance and many of those and their families are also served by employer
provided medical clinics where they pay lower copays than they would if
their employer had group insurance.
2: You have the FREEDOM OF CHOICE to buy insurance or not to buy insurance.
Those are the top 2.
Dionysus
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> "Witziges R�tsel" <z...@roer.invalid.com> wrote in message
Good on you.
No Surrender!
Dionysus
diomnysus
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Lamont Cranston
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> So, the Senate's Slimy 60 showed us all last night
...that their allegiance is to the people of this country instead of to
the big insurance companies.