AWOL Bush, Peter Jennings and Michael Moore
Gandalf Grey
George Bush went AWOL, so ABC News attacks Michael Moore. What?
By Frederick Sweet
ABC-TV's Peter Jennings didn't know that Bush had been AWOL from the Texas
Air National Guard, in his shameless display of ignorance before millions of
American viewers during the Democratic debate.
I witnessed ABC-TV's moderator Peter Jennings bullying a debater, the
retired Gen. Wesley Clark on prime time TV about one of his supporters,
Academy Award filmmaker Michael Moore. Jennings characterized Moore as a
"controversial filmmaker" and then called him "reckless" for shouting
"deserter Bush" during a rally for Clark in New Hampshire.
Jennings Doesn't Know?
During the Democratic debate last Thursday debate moderator Jennings
demanded that Clark tell him how he can accept the endorsement of the
"controversial filmmaker." Keeping his cool, Clark simply said, "Mr. Moore
is entitled to his opinion. I may not have expressed it the same way. But I
certainly accept his endorsement for me as the Democratic presidential
candidate."
The next day, Michael Moore posted his response at MichaelMoore.Com: "I
would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a 'deserter.'
What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief,
a drunk driver, a WMD liar and a functional illiterate. And he poops his
pants. In fact, he shot a man in Tucson 'just to watch him die.'"
Moore continued: "Why wasn't it obvious to them, I was pointing out how Bush
had deserted our constitution and Bill of Rights as he tries to limit
freedom of speech and privacy rights for law-abiding citizens?"
MoveOn.org promptly wrote: ". Jennings' own charge [of 'recklessness'] is
contrary to the reports of major newspapers. Whether or not the legal
designation of 'deserter' applies to Bush, he failed to appear for duty for
months -- possibly a year -- while a member of the [Texas] Air National
Guard during the Vietnam War, according to the Boston Globe, New York Times,
and the Washington Post, [and The New Republic]. To what was Jennings
referring when he claimed, 'there are no facts to support the charge that
Bush was absent from his military service'?"
How can Jennings allow himself to be so ignorant about something so well
established? How can a TV journalist with his immense research resources not
know what the rest of us have known? George W. Bush was AWOL for over seven
months while on duty at the National Guard between 1972 and 1973.
The Record
Last year, President Bush got himself dropped onto an aircraft carrier
dressed in full Air Force pilot's flight gear. Then he sneaked into Iraq to
serve a plastic turkey to GIs in Baghdad on Thanksgiving Day. But he will
never discuss his military record. There are good reasons for this and Peter
Jennings, calling himself a journalist, should have known what they are long
before lashing into Clark for Moore's comments.
During his presidential campaign in 2000, George W. Bush promised to restore
honor and integrity to the White House, to strengthen the military, and to
speak the plain truth on the campaign trail. Obviously, if Bush had received
a dishonorable discharge from the military, then he would never have been
made the Republican candidate for President.
But what we do know is that during the early months of the 2000 presidential
race, The Boston Globe and the Washington Post had published investigative
reports on George W. Bush's military deportment during the Vietnam War. That
year, additional Bush military records had been obtained through the Freedom
of Information Act by U.S. Air Force pilot Robert A. Rogers (ret. 1st Lt.
Mission Pilot) and published by him as, "Bush's Military Record Reveals
Grounding and Absence for Two Full Years." Rogers had served in the Air
National Guard for eleven years, from 1954 through 1965. Indisputably, Bush
had been AWOL while assigned to Guard duty during the Vietnam War.
On November 3, 1970, while Bush's father was being re-elected to Congress
from Houston, Brig. General Rose promoted George W. to 1st Lieutenant.
That's the same man who spirited Bush into the Texas Air National Guard at
the request of the Bush family's influential businessman friend.
Bush claimed, he wanted to become a fighter pilot like his dad, who had
flown combat missions in the Pacific during World War II as the youngest
American airman. "I wanted to fly, and that was the adventure I was
seeking," he told the New York Times in July 2000. Denying that he was
trying to avoid combat in Vietnam, presidential candidate Bush said, "One
could argue that [I] was trying to avoid being the infantryman but my
attitude was I'm taking the first opportunity to become a pilot and jumped
on that and did my time," he said.
By July of 1970, Lt. Bush had earned his wings by racking up about 300 hours
of training flight time in the F-102. This had qualified him to fly the
F-102 without an instructor, but it was far short of the 500 hours required
to volunteer for active duty combat operations in Vietnam. He'd never have
to worry about fighting overseas.
First Lt. Bush had been credited with 46 days of flight duty from June 1970
to May 1971, the expected Guard weekend duty and "extra" runway standby
alert time for that year. However, that would be the last time Bush had
fully met his qualified jet fighter pilot obligation to serve four complete
years as a fully trained and qualified fighter pilot.
After May 1971, Bush abandoned his sworn obligation to the Texas Air
National Guard and America. By May of 1972, he had only 22 flight-duty days
to his credit, 14 days short of the minimum 36 he owed the Guard for that
year. Then it got worse.
Bush flew for the last time in an F-102 fighter-interceptor in April of
1972. He never flew again, in spite of the fact that he still had two full
years remaining of his six-year pilot service commitment. On May 15, 1972,
Bush simply "cleared this base" wrote Lt. Col. William D. Harris Jr., one of
Bush's two Squadron supervising officers in his official report. Bush had
flown the coop.
Bush's Military Records
During the 2000 South Carolina Republican primary campaigns, fellow Senators
spread rumors about Senator John McCain's mental health stemming from his
imprisonment in Vietnam as a POW. McCain immediately put an end to those
rumors by releasing his entire military record, officially confirming no
indications of adverse physical or mental conditions.
Long ago, Bush could easily have put to rest accusations that he had been
AWOL and a deserter by simply releasing his complete military service
record. This record cannot be released by the Air Force without Bush's
signed consent.
National Guard records available to the public show that on September 5,
1972 Bush had been ordered to start serving three months in an active but
non-flying administrative Guard unit, the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance
Group in Montgomery, Alabama. He had been assigned to four certain duty days
in October and November. Bush's new orders had been cut over three months
after his transfer request to an inactive Alabama Guard unit was denied.
"I was there on temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one period
of time. I made up some missed weekends. I can't remember what I did, but I
wasn't flying because they didn't have the same airplanes. I fulfilled my
obligations," he told the Dallas Morning News while campaigning in Alabama
on June 23, 2000.
But there is no official notation in Bush's service record that he ever
showed up for duty, despite his written orders. General William Turnipseed
and Lt. Col. Kenneth Lott, who commanded the base at the time, told the
Boston Globe, they were certain that Bush never appeared. "To my knowledge,
he never showed up," Turnipseed told the Boston Globe in May 2000.
It's time to revisit Bush's military record.
Moore says, ". they [TV news personalities] have created the brouhaha over
Bush's military record, often without telling their audience what the exact
charges are. It seems all they want to do is to get Clark or me -- or you --
to shut up. 'We have never investigated this and so we want you to apologize
for bringing it up!'"
Moore continues, "Well, I'm glad they have gone nuts over it. Because here
we have a Commander-in-Chief --who just took off while in uniform to go work
for some Republican friend of his dad's -- now sending our kids over to Iraq
to die while billions [of dollars] are promised to Halliburton and the oil
companies. Twenty percent of them are National Guard and Reserves (and that
number is expected to double during the year). They have been kept in Iraq
much longer than promised, and they have not been given the proper
protection. They are sitting ducks."
Clark and Kerry, two combat veterans are running for the presidency of the
United States. Now is a good time for an open, public, and repeated review
of Bush's disgraceful military record. The American people have the right to
know what kind of cowardly Commander-in-Chief occupies the White House. And
if the likes of Peter Jennings, Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw lack the moral
fiber and journalistic integrity to tell our fellow citizens the truth about
those in power then, friends, it is up to the rest of us to do their jobs
for them!
Breaking news story (02/01/04):
The New York Times website posted "Democratic Party Chief Attacks Bush on
Military Record" --. Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National
Committee, is quoted at an interview on the ABC News program "This Week,,"
saying, "I look forward to that debate when John Kerry, a war hero with a
chest full of medals, is standing next to George Bush, a man who was AWOL in
the Alabama National Guard. George Bush never served in our military in our
country. He didn't show up when he should have shown up. And there's John
Kerry on the stage with a chest full of medals that he earned by saving the
lives of American soldiers. So, as John Kerry says, 'Bring it on!'"
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The Pretzel
Great article GG.
I hope it never gets put to rest.
Shrub is a cheerleader, a MisLeader, ...not a leader...
Gandalf Grey
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>
citizen
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2e08455ec
> George Bush went AWOL, so ABC News attacks Michael Moore. What?
> By Frederick Sweet
>
> ABC-TV's Peter Jennings didn't know that Bush had been AWOL from the Texas
> Air National Guard, in his shameless display of ignorance before millions
of
> American viewers during the Democratic debate.
>
> I witnessed ABC-TV's moderator Peter Jennings bullying a debater, the
> retired Gen. Wesley Clark on prime time TV about one of his supporters,
> Academy Award filmmaker Michael Moore. Jennings characterized Moore as a
> "controversial filmmaker" and then called him "reckless" for shouting
> "deserter Bush" during a rally for Clark in New Hampshire.
>
> Jennings Doesn't Know?
Hogwash sniped-
There is no way Peter Jennings would he risk his credibility on a bunch of
BS.
He's way out of your league- Dean Hanson
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police, and he fears
neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his
victim." Jeff Cooper
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Bïllary
one has to keep up with what the loons are being told they should think...
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GW Chimpzilla
> Gandalf Grey is a fucking loon. The only reason I read his crap is because
> one has to keep up with what the loons are being told they should think...
That's enough from you. To the killfile with you!
Bíllary
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The Pretzel
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> OW You hurt my wittle feelings.
The Pretzel
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> 2e08455ec
> > George Bush went AWOL, so ABC News attacks Michael Moore. What?
> > By Frederick Sweet
> >
> > ABC-TV's Peter Jennings didn't know that Bush had been AWOL from the
Texas
> > Air National Guard, in his shameless display of ignorance before
millions
> of
> > American viewers during the Democratic debate.
> >
> > I witnessed ABC-TV's moderator Peter Jennings bullying a debater, the
> > retired Gen. Wesley Clark on prime time TV about one of his supporters,
> > Academy Award filmmaker Michael Moore. Jennings characterized Moore as a
> > "controversial filmmaker" and then called him "reckless" for shouting
> > "deserter Bush" during a rally for Clark in New Hampshire.
> >
> > Jennings Doesn't Know?
>
>
> Hogwash sniped-
>
> There is no way Peter Jennings would he risk his credibility on a bunch of
> BS.
He doesn't know. He risked his credibility. Peter Jennings is on the ropes!
There's only one thing the under-dog Jennings can do as an investigative
reporter....
............Investigate.
CAN - HE - DO - IT?
Will he? WILL HE THROW IT ALL AWAY AND ABANDON THE TRUTH?????
WATCH ABC NEWS' "WORLD NEWS TONIGHT" AND FIND OUT!!!!!!!
ABC NEWS.
MORE PEOPLE WATCH ABC NEWS THEN ANY OTHE NEWS SOURCE......
______________________
ŠABC NEWS.
fair_and_balanced_hyco-limbaugh_fart_detector
<bil...@vastrightwingconspiracy.fr> wrote:
>Gandalf Grey is a fucking loon. The only reason I read his crap is because
>one has to keep up with what the loons are being told they should think...
Gandalf tells you what to think?
Bíllary
if you say it often enough and loud enough you can make it true. That used
to work in the days before the internet and talk radio. Doesn't work
anymore.
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Tom W
Look at those news accounts of him on that carrier and in Baghdad and
who will dare tell me that the GI's care?
In my military career, I knew a lot of guys who had an AWOL on their
records and went on to superlative careers as senior enlisted men and
some later in their careers as splendid officers.
Some of you jackasses just want something to cry about!
fair_and_balanced_hyco-limbaugh_fart_detector
>I don't know, either, whether Bush was AWOL, but if it's true, so what?
>Look at those news accounts of him on that carrier and in Baghdad and
>who will dare tell me that the GI's care?
>In my military career, I knew a lot of guys who had an AWOL on their
>records and went on to superlative careers as senior enlisted men and
>some later in their careers as splendid officers.
>Some of you jackasses just want something to cry about!
>
fine...AWOL Bush should amend his "autobiography" where "he wrote"
that his national guard experience taught him "the value of showing up
to do a job." He needs to change that to "So what if I went AWOL?
Who cares?"
The Pretzel
> When it comes to proof You have zip, zero, nada, none. You liberal figure
> if you say it often enough and loud enough you can make it true. That
used
> to work in the days before the internet and talk radio. Doesn't work
> anymore.
Shrub could lay this to rest with releasing his FULL military record. Sign
it off. We all wouldn't have to rely on what little the FIA can reveal.
Agreed?
The Pretzel
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> On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:03:02 -0800, Tom W <ags...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't know, either, whether Bush was AWOL, but if it's true, so what?
> >Look at those news accounts of him on that carrier and in Baghdad and
> >who will dare tell me that the GI's care?
> >In my military career, I knew a lot of guys who had an AWOL on their
> >records and went on to superlative careers as senior enlisted men and
> >some later in their careers as splendid officers.
> >Some of you jackasses just want something to cry about!
> >
>
> fine...AWOL Bush should amend his "autobiography" where "he wrote"
> that his national guard experience taught him "the value of showing up
> to do a job." He needs to change that to "So what if I went AWOL?
> Who cares?"
Hughes did!"
Romdinstler Jones
> There is no way Peter Jennings would he risk his credibility on a bunch of
> BS.
Can it, citizen. You best let this dog lie or at least not bother it
too much now that it's about to start walking. You guys can't win on
this one, plain and simple. Bush was AWOL and everyone who has looked
into the matter knows it.
-Romdinstler
fair_and_balanced_hyco-limbaugh_fart_detector
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>
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>> When it comes to proof You have zip, zero, nada, none. You liberal figure
>> if you say it often enough and loud enough you can make it true. That
>used
>> to work in the days before the internet and talk radio. Doesn't work
>> anymore.
>Hello?
>
>Shrub could lay this to rest with releasing his FULL military record. Sign
>it off. We all wouldn't have to rely on what little the FIA can reveal.
>
>Agreed?
>
Even better......Rush could invite one or more of AWOL Bush's Alabama
Air National Guard buddies to appear on air with him and discuss their
memories of serving with AWOL Bush.
Daniel
<Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector> wrote in message
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:52:04 GMT, "The Pretzel"
> <rold...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bíllary" <bil...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in message
> >news:KBCTb.531$0_3...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >> When it comes to proof You have zip, zero, nada, none. You liberal
figure
> >> if you say it often enough and loud enough you can make it true. That
> >used
> >> to work in the days before the internet and talk radio. Doesn't work
> >> anymore.
> >Hello?
> >
> >Shrub could lay this to rest with releasing his FULL military record.
Sign
> >it off. We all wouldn't have to rely on what little the FIA can reveal.
> >
> >Agreed?
> >
>
>
> Even better......Rush could invite one or more of AWOL Bush's Alabama
> Air National Guard buddies to appear on air with him and discuss their
> memories of serving with AWOL Bush.
why? President Bush's Honorable Discharge speaks for itself.
Pop Kulcher
> OW You hurt my wittle feelings.
>
Just when you thought you'd heard every conceivable pet name for one's penis...
The Pretzel
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I'd like it to play "fetch" myself!
George
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I looked into the matter and his military records and found that Bush was
not AWOL. I found an honerable discharge but no charge for being absent
without leave.
It is going to blow up in Kerry's face, as well as Clark's and the DNC's if
they try to persue it.
free
Clinton was impeached but not convicted does that mean he didn't lie.
>
>
>
fair_and_balanced_hyco-limbaugh_fart_detector
why? OJ Simpson's acquittal speaks for itself
why doesn't the LAPD devote massive resources to find "the real
killer?"
Bîllary
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Roger
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Romdinstler Jones
I don't think they will actively pursuit this issue on their own as
far as initiating discussions about it but when the subject happens to
come up, they'll continue to bring up Bush's lack of service and his
credibility problems in this area.
-Romdinstler
johnny
So then why not call for Bush to release the full record of his
"service"? What is there to hide?
Kaptain Ketchup
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Because President Bush's Honorable Discharge speaks for itself.
King Pineapple
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>
> I don't think they will actively pursuit this issue on their own as
> far as initiating discussions about it but
They already have.
>when the subject happens to come up,
LOL. It's ONLY "happened to come up" when a leftist news anchor brought it
up.
>they'll continue to bring up Bush's lack of service
"Lack of service" never results in an honorable discharge. Bush has one.
> and his credibility problems in this area.
LOL. WHAT "credibility problems"? You clowns are accusing him of this. The
burden of proof is on you to prove your accustations, not the other way
around. So far, you haven't done it.
"Bush may be a moron of sorts, but he is not stupid"
-DNC Gasbag Eric Alterman
King Pineapple
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> You guys can't win on this one, plain and simple.
How so? The Clintongore smear machine tried using this against Bush 4 years
ago. If THEY couldn't find any dirt, none exists.
> Bush was AWOL
Why did he get an honorable discharge, then? And why would a "deserter"
enjoy such wide support among the military?
>and everyone who has looked into the matter knows it.
Name "everyone". And remember, the Boston Globe's Walter Robinson doesn't
count. His "story" was debunked by his mother paper, the NY Times, in
November 2000.
"We were caught napping"-Clinton "Energy Secretary" Bill Richardson, on
$1.80 per gallon heating oil
King Pineapple
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> Great article GG.
LOL. Which one did Hanson post? And what makes you clowns think that an
issue that Clintongore had no luck with 4 years ago will fly now?
Hey Rick, try this one. I'll just post the highlights. There's no URL, as
you have to pay for the article. If you wanna read the rest, go to the
Dallas Morning News website yourself. Do an archive search on "Bush's stint
in Guard scrutinized", and then pay your dough to read the entire article.
It's quite long.
Dallas Morning News
July 4, 1999
Pete Slover, George Kuempel
"With the Vietnam War raging, 21-year-old George W. Bush wanted to join the
Texas Air National Guard in 1968. He offered no aviation experience but
cited his work as a ranch hand, oil field "roustabout" and sporting goods
salesman.
He passed the written test required for pilot trainees. Among the results:
He showed below-average potential as a would-be flier but scored high as a
future leader.
Although Mr. Bush's unit in Texas had a waiting list for many spots, he was
accepted because he was one of a handful of applicants willing and qualified
to spend more than a year in active training, and extra shifts after
training, flying single-seat F-102 fighter jets. "
Want more?
"Records provided to The News by Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air
National Guard, show that the unit Mr. Bush signed up for was not filled. In
mid-1968, the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, based in Houston, had 156
openings among its authorized staff of 925 military personnel.
Of those, 26 openings were for officer slots, such as that filled by Mr.
Bush, and 130 were for enlisted men and women. Also, several former Air
Force pilots who served in the unit said that they were recruited from
elsewhere to fly for the Texas Guard.
Officers who supervised Mr. Bush and approved his admission to the Guard
said they were never contacted by anyone on Mr. Bush's behalf.
"He didn't have any strings pulled, because there weren't any strings to
pull," said Leroy Thompson of Brownwood, who commanded the squadron that
kept the waiting list for the guard at Ellington Air Force Base. "Our
practices were under incredible scrutiny then. It was a very ticklish time."
And yet more:
"Also getting into the Bush unit in 1968 was Lloyd Bentsen III, a recent
graduate of Stanford University business school whose father was a former
congressman later elected Democratic U.S. senator from Texas."
And this:
"Records from his military file show that in January 1968, after inquiring
about Guard admission, Mr. Bush went to an Air Force recruiting office near
Yale, where he took and passed the test required by the Air Force for pilot
trainees. His score on the pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test,
was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers.
Ralph J. Ianuzzi, a newly minted Air Force captain, supervised
administration of the test and signed Mr. Bush's score sheet, an event of
which he had no recollection.
The pilot portion of the exam included tasks such as identifying the angle
of a plane in flight after being shown the view from the cockpit and
figuring out which way a gear in a machine would turn in response to another
gear's being turned.
"That score for pilot seems low. I made that, and I'm dyslexic," Mr.
Ianuzzi, a retired FBI agent who never earned his wings but said it was
significant that Mr. Bush did. "He passed the most important test. He flew
the plane."
On the "officer quality section," designed to measure intangible traits such
as leadership, Mr. Bush scored better than 95 percent of those taking the
test.
It's impossible to compare Mr. Bush's score on the test to scores of other
pilot candidates, because Air Force historians say no records survive of
average scores for those accepted to pilot training. "
More?
"A former non-commissioned officer who worked on planes and supervised other
ground crews at Ellington said Mr. Bush was not a silver-spoon snob or
elitist, unlike some former Air Force fliers.
"I remember him coming down, kicking the tires, washing the windows,
whatever," said Joe H. Briggs, now of Houston. "I'm probably one of the few
people around who'll admit I voted for Clinton. But I'll pull for this guy
for president."
And finally:
"Some attention has also focused on Mr. Bush's departure from the service.
Under his original oath, he was obligated to serve in the Guard until May
1974. Instead, he was allowed to leave in October 1973 to attend Harvard
Business School.
Former Guard officials and members of Mr. Bush's unit said that release,
seven months early, was not unusual for the Guard. Mr. Bush's unit was
changing airplanes at the time, from the single-seat F-102 to the dual-seat
F-101. They said it made little sense to retrain him for just a few months'
service, and letting him go freed spots for the Guard to recruit F-101
pilots from the Air Force and elsewhere."
"Pineapple has become my happy thought
about this group. He's a perfect example
of the basic lie that is the right wing.
Pineapple is a right wing hack who never
voted liberal in his life yet he floats
through the group bloviating about how
he's a "liberal."
Ricki Hanson
Gandalf Grey
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> > Great article GG.
>
> LOL. Which one
What does it matter? You'd have to be able to read to get anything out of
it, Craig. Your failed career as a spelling flamer is proof enough that
you've got severe problems in that area.
Still waiting for your Jerry Falwell edition of "See and Say"?
Run on back to the RNC cooler and wait for the next Bush Junta Terrorism
Alert, Craig. We all know you're useless as long as Bush's poll numbers
reflect the reality of his growing unpopularity.
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> > Great article GG.
>
> LOL. Which one did Hanson post? And what makes you clowns think that an
> issue that Clintongore had no luck with 4 years ago will fly now?
>
> Hey Rick, try this one. I'll just post the highlights. There's no URL, as
> you have to pay for the article. If you wanna read the rest, go to the
> Dallas Morning News website yourself. Do an archive search on "Bush's
stint
> in Guard scrutinized", and then pay your dough to read the entire article.
> It's quite long.
>
> Dallas Morning News
> July 4, 1999
> Pete Slover, George Kuempel
>
> "With the Vietnam War raging, 21-year-old George W. Bush wanted to join
the
> Texas Air National Guard in 1968. He offered no aviation experience but
> cited his work as a ranch hand, oil field "roustabout" and sporting goods
> salesman.
>
> He passed the written test required for pilot trainees. Among the results:
> He showed below-average potential as a would-be flier but scored high as a
> future leader.
How does one test for being a great leader? That is such schlock. Shrub
proved my point.
> Although Mr. Bush's unit in Texas had a waiting list for many spots, he
was
> accepted because he was one of a handful of applicants willing and
qualified
> to spend more than a year in active training, and extra shifts after
> training, flying single-seat F-102 fighter jets. "
> Want more?
*GASP!* Please stop. My nose can only take so much stench from bullshit
provided by you Repugs.
> "Records provided to The News by Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air
> National Guard, show that the unit Mr. Bush signed up for was not filled.
In
> mid-1968, the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, based in Houston, had 156
> openings among its authorized staff of 925 military personnel.
Oh,JeeeZus..
This whole thing is a scam... Does he sell used cars in his day job?
> Of those, 26 openings were for officer slots, such as that filled by Mr.
> Bush, and 130 were for enlisted men and women. Also, several former Air
> Force pilots who served in the unit said that they were recruited from
> elsewhere to fly for the Texas Guard.
>
> Officers who supervised Mr. Bush and approved his admission to the Guard
> said they were never contacted by anyone on Mr. Bush's behalf.
Yeah, sure...
> "He didn't have any strings pulled, because there weren't any strings to
> pull," said Leroy Thompson of Brownwood, who commanded the squadron that
> kept the waiting list for the guard at Ellington Air Force Base. "Our
> practices were under incredible scrutiny then. It was a very ticklish
time."
>
> And yet more:
>
> "Also getting into the Bush unit in 1968 was Lloyd Bentsen III, a recent
> graduate of Stanford University business school whose father was a former
> congressman later elected Democratic U.S. senator from Texas."
It's questionable how he got in as well then.
*HURL!* Christ it STINKS!
>
> "A former non-commissioned officer who worked on planes and supervised
other
> ground crews at Ellington said Mr. Bush was not a silver-spoon snob or
> elitist, unlike some former Air Force fliers.
>
> "I remember him coming down, kicking the tires, washing the windows,
> whatever," said Joe H. Briggs, now of Houston. "I'm probably one of the
few
> people around who'll admit I voted for Clinton. But I'll pull for this guy
> for president."
Wow, Does he do commercials too?
>
> And finally:
>
> "Some attention has also focused on Mr. Bush's departure from the service.
> Under his original oath, he was obligated to serve in the Guard until May
> 1974. Instead, he was allowed to leave in October 1973 to attend Harvard
> Business School.
>
> Former Guard officials and members of Mr. Bush's unit said that release,
> seven months early, was not unusual for the Guard. Mr. Bush's unit was
> changing airplanes at the time, from the single-seat F-102 to the
dual-seat
> F-101. They said it made little sense to retrain him for just a few
months'
> service, and letting him go freed spots for the Guard to recruit F-101
> pilots from the Air Force and elsewhere."
>
On May 27, 1968, George Bush Jr. was 12 days away from losing his student
draft deferment, at a time when 350 Americans a week were dying in combat.
The National Guard, seen by many as the most respectable way to avoid
Vietnam, had a huge waiting list -- a year and a half in Texas, over 100,000
men nationwide. Yet Bush and his family friends pulled strings, and the
young man was admitted the same day he applied, regardless of any waiting
list.
Bush's unit commander, Col. "Buck" Staudt, was so excited about his VIP
recruit that he staged a special ceremony for the press so he could have his
picture taken administering the oath (even though the official oath had been
given by a captain earlier.)
Bush and his allies have tried to deny this with several changing stories,
but Bush himself admits lobbying commander Staudt, who approved him, and
court documents confirm that close family friend and oil magnate Sid Adger
called Texas Speaker of the House Ben Barnes, who called General James Rose,
the head of the Texas Air National Guard, to get Bush in. Rose, who is now
dead, told his friend and former legislator Jake Johnson that "I got that
Republican congressman's son from Houston into the Guard."
Staudt's unit, the 147th, was infamous as a nesting place for politically
connected and celebrity draft avoiders. Democratic Senator Lloyd Bentsen's
son was in the unit, as was Republican Senator John Tower's, both of Sid
Adger's sons and at least 7 members of the Dallas Cowboys.
______________________________________
....and the story keeps changing.
Weasel words; his story keeps changing.
When asked about his service, Bush has lied, changed his story repeatedly,
and weaseled in a manner eerily reminiscent of Bill Clinton. First of all,
he has flat-out lied. In his official autobiography, ''A Charge to Keep,''
Bush said he flew with his unit for ''several years'' after finishing flight
training in June 1970. His campaign biography states that he flew with the
unit until he won release from the service in September 1973, nine months
early, for graduate school. Both statements are lies. Bush only flew with
the 111th for one year and 10 months, until April 1972 when he was suspended
for failing to take his medical exam (and drug test), and never flew again.
Then there is his Clintonesque weaseling and word choice. Bush and his
campaign claimed that no Bush family or friends pulled strings. Under
pressure, this changed to "All I know is anybody named George Bush did not
ask him [Ben Barnes] for help." By that he meant, himself or his dad. Of
course, it later came out in court that a close Bush friend, Simon Adger,
had asked Barnes to get Bush Jr. into the Guard, and that Barnes did so, via
General Rose.
Now's it's not even clear that a George Bush didn't ask for help. When
pressed, the former president's spokeswoman (Jean Becker) said he is "almost
positive" that he and Mr. Adger never discussed the Guard matter. "He [Bush
Sr.] he is fairly certain - I mean he doesn't remember everything that
happened in the 1960s..." In any case, Bush Sr. and Adger were very close.
Ms. Becker acknowledged that "President Bush knew Sid Adger well. He loved
him." Adger may have needed only a hint.
Furthermore, George Bush Jr. admits that he knew Adger socially at the time,
and further admits that he lobbied Col. "Buck" Staudt, the commander of the
VIP unit Bush joined. Staudt claims that he, not General Rose (who he later
replaced), was the one who made the decision on admissions anyway. Bush Jr.
admits that he met Staudt in late 1967, during Christmas vacation of his
senior year, called him later, and -- in Bush's words -- "found out what it
took to apply."
When asked how Bush came to call Staudt, his spokeswoman Karen Hughes said
he "heard from friends while he was home over the Christmas break that ...
Colonel Staudt was the person to contact." She says that Bush doesn't recall
who those "friends" were. But we know that Sid Adger was also a friend of
Staudt's, served with him on the Houston Chamber of Commerce's Aviation
Committee, and in 1967 held a luncheon honoring Gen. Staudt and his unit for
winning an Air Force commendation. In fact, both of Adger's sons also joined
General Staudt's unit, in 1966 and 1968 respectively.
Bush and his staff also claim that he vaulted ahead of the Air Guard waiting
list because he was willing to fly an airplane, and there were openings.
There is nothing to support this claim, however. For one thing, the F-102
was being phased out at the time and F-102 pilots were being released from
service early, as indeed Bush himself was. And Tom Hail, a historian for the
Texas Air National Guard, says flatly that there was no pilot shortage in
the Guard squadron at that time. Bush's unit had 27 pilots at the time he
applied; while they were authorized for 29 pilots, there were two more
already in training and one awaiting a transfer.
Bush also weasels on whether he was avoiding combat or not. He has stated on
several occasions that he did not want to be an infantryman, and
acknowledges that he came to oppose the war itself. He claims that he joined
the guard to fly planes, and would have been happy to go to Vietnam, but
ignores the obvious choice of the Air Force or the Navy -- which his dad, a
genuine war hero, joined. Furthermore, when he signed up for the Guard, he
checked a box saying "Do not volunteer for overseas service." Later, he made
a perfunctory application to transfer to a program called "Palace Alert",
which dispatched F-102 pilots to Europe or the Far East -- and just
occasionally Vietnam -- for 3 or 6 month assignments. But Bush was not
nearly qualified, as he must have known, and was immediately turned down,
and the F-102 not used overseas after June, 1970 in any case.
And, as noted above, his story also changed on why he refused to take a
medical exam -- including a drug test - in 1972. (The refusal ended Bush's
flying career.) His staff first claimed that he didn't take the physical
because he was in Alabama and his personal physician was in Houston. But
flight physicals can be administered only by certified Air Force flight
surgeons, and there were surgeons assigned at the time to Maxwell Air Force
Base in Montgomery, where Bush was living. His staff now admits that that
explanation was "wrong", without saying where it came from or what the real
reason was. Draft & National Guard Sources
Thom
I can't hear you!
OK lets see it, along with his DD-214 and DD-256. Why is he hidng it?
THOM
>
>
chris.holt
> "Kaptain Ketchup" <John...@Liars.com> wrote:
>>Because President Bush's Honorable Discharge speaks for itself.
> I can't hear you!
>
> OK lets see it, along with his DD-214 and DD-256. Why is he hidng it?
It'll be released just as soon as we get to see Reagan's
presidential papers. Well, maybe a bit after that.
--
The Pretzel
I'll show you the son of a congressman with real tight connections.
>
>
fair_and_balanced_hyco-limbaugh_fart_detector
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it says the same as OJ's murder acquittal
Nate
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George
You show me pathetic statements of fiction like you've been doing, and I'll
show you a person who is a fucking fool.
King Pineapple
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(Unsourced BS deleted).
Afraid to name the "sources" for the stuff you posted? I would be too....
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Al Bundy
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> Afraid to name the "sources" for the stuff you posted? I would be too....
You must be because you never do.
Thom
<chris...@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
>Thom wrote:
>> "Kaptain Ketchup" <John...@Liars.com> wrote:
>
>>>Because President Bush's Honorable Discharge speaks for itself.
>
>> I can't hear you!
>>
>> OK lets see it, along with his DD-214 and DD-256. Why is he hidng it?
>
>It'll be released just as soon as we get to see Reagan's
>presidential papers. Well, maybe a bit after that.
Reagans' papers? How do you spell zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!?
THOM
>
>
>--
>
>
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Roger
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> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:08:35 +0000, "chris.holt"
> <chris...@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >Thom wrote:
> >> "Kaptain Ketchup" <John...@Liars.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>Because President Bush's Honorable Discharge speaks for itself.
> >
> >> I can't hear you!
> >>
> >> OK lets see it, along with his DD-214 and DD-256. Why is he hidng it?
> >
> >It'll be released just as soon as we get to see Reagan's
> >presidential papers. Well, maybe a bit after that.
>
> Reagans' papers? How do you spell zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!?
I think they'll be quite interesting. I'm sure there was a lot going on we
have no idea about.
When the cat's asleep, the mice will play. Or something like that.
>
> THOM
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> > There is no way Peter Jennings would he risk his credibility on a bunch
of
> > BS.
>
> Can it, citizen. You best let this dog lie or at least not bother it
> too much now that it's about to start walking. You guys can't win on
> this one, plain and simple. Bush was AWOL and everyone who has looked
> into the matter knows it.
>
Well the social democrats tried to spin allegations of AWOL in 94 when Bush
ran for Texas Governor and won, and they tried to push the same allegations
in 2000 Presidential election which Bush also won.
So you think that a Honorable Discharge means nothing?
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Adrian Bailey
> So you think that a Honorable Discharge means nothing?
Yup.
Adrian
LawsonE
>
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> >
> > > There is no way Peter Jennings would he risk his credibility on a
bunch
> of
> > > BS.
> >
> > Can it, citizen. You best let this dog lie or at least not bother it
> > too much now that it's about to start walking. You guys can't win on
> > this one, plain and simple. Bush was AWOL and everyone who has looked
> > into the matter knows it.
> >
> > -Romdinstler
>
>
> Well the social democrats tried to spin allegations of AWOL in 94 when
Bush
> ran for Texas Governor and won, and they tried to push the same
allegations
> in 2000 Presidential election which Bush also won.
>
> So you think that a Honorable Discharge means nothing?
>
Just about nothing. You have to really mess up, even without parental
support, to get "less than honorable."
If you HAVE parental support, I imagine you'd have to REALLY mess up.
Paul E. Lehmann
>
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>> "citizen" <stu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> > There is no way Peter Jennings would he risk his credibility on a bunch
> of
>> > BS.
>>
>> Can it, citizen. You best let this dog lie or at least not bother it
>> too much now that it's about to start walking. You guys can't win on
>> this one, plain and simple. Bush was AWOL and everyone who has looked
>> into the matter knows it.
>>
>> -Romdinstler
>
>
> Well the social democrats tried to spin allegations of AWOL in 94 when
> Bush ran for Texas Governor and won, and they tried to push the same
> allegations in 2000 Presidential election which Bush also won.
>
> So you think that a Honorable Discharge means nothing?
An "Honorable" Discharge from a pseudo military organization that is filled
to the brim with political hacks - ha ha ha ha.
Maybe we should investigate the Guard also in order to determine how one
obtains an "Honorable" discharge WITHOUT putting in the duty required.
BTW - Bush was able to get into Harvard Graduate School with an
undergraduate "C" G.P.A. from Yale. How many others do you know who were
able to get into Harvard Grad School with a "C" average - in History as a
major no less. ha ha ha ha.
citizen
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You know this because you went AWOL and left the service with a Honorable
Dischrage?
>
> If you HAVE parental support, I imagine you'd have to REALLY mess up.
Whip your dead horse everyone laughed twice, the third time will be a real
belly slapper.
John
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>> "citizen" <stu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>> There is no way Peter Jennings would he risk his credibility on a
>>> bunch of BS.
>>
>> Can it, citizen. You best let this dog lie or at least not bother it
>> too much now that it's about to start walking. You guys can't win on
>> this one, plain and simple. Bush was AWOL and everyone who has looked
>> into the matter knows it.
>>
>> -Romdinstler
>
>
> Well the social democrats tried to spin allegations of AWOL in 94
> when Bush ran for Texas Governor and won, and they tried to push the
> same allegations in 2000 Presidential election which Bush also won.
>
> So you think that a Honorable Discharge means nothing?
>
>
for about a one year period and failed to notice he was AWOL.
citizen
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What ever you think "it" was "it" failed twice, so you calculate the odds
Bozo......
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Ah Adrian. The person who has no military experience speaks. Thanks.
Your ignorance is of great value.
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Adrian Bailey
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:25:41 -0000, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"citizen" <stu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:63ea3$4026b5ec$418eb82e$10...@allthenewsgroups.com...
> >> So you think that a Honorable Discharge means nothing?
> >
> >Yup.
> >
> >Adrian
>
> Ah Adrian. The person who has no military experience speaks. Thanks.
> Your ignorance is of great value.
Atack the messenger all you like, the truth is that no-one has come
forward who witnessed George W Bush serving out his time. Therefore
one can only conclude that his "honourable discharge" is worth less
than the paper it's printed on.
Adrian
GENOMEMAN
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And noone has come forward to declare that he was AWOL which is a required
SOP for declaring a soldier AWOL (has to be written/reported/documented).
Are there any records of any commander declaring Bush AWOL?
No. So all you libs shut the fuck up.
>
> Adrian
zepp
Maybe justice is just coming 32 years later, huh?
You sould a little bit shrill there, chuckles. Feeling a little bit
nervous, are we?
>
>>
>> Adrian
>
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No but Kerry rightly is:>))
White House Defends Bush Service Record; Kerry's Anti-War Past Recalled
By Jeff Gannon
Talon News
February 11, 2004
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/february/0211_bush_military_record.shtml
From story,
Kerry's anti-war activities following his service in Vietnam were injected
into the debate when Talon News asked McClellan about Bush's post-service
record.
"What is it that [President Bush] did after his honorable discharge from the
National Guard?" McClellan was asked by Talon News. "Did he make speeches
alongside Jane Fonda, denouncing America's racist war in Vietnam? Did he
testify before Congress that American troops committed war crimes in
Vietnam? And did he throw somebody else's medals at the White House to
protest a war America was still fighting?"
McClellan responded, "We've already commented on some of his views relating
back to that period the other day. And, obviously, this was a time period
also when he was going to get his MBA at Harvard. But the President was
certainly proud to serve in the National Guard."
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), who won two more primaries Tuesday, had no comment
on the controversy. He indicated that he would only talk about his own
record.
Read the whole story
at-http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/february/0211_bush_military_record.shtml
Adrian Bailey
Find one person who saw Bush doing his duty and everyone will shut up.
ONE.
> > Maybe justice is just coming 32 years later, huh?
> >
> > You sould a little bit shrill there, chuckles. Feeling a little bit
> > nervous, are we?
>
> No but Kerry rightly is:>))
>
> White House Defends Bush Service Record; Kerry's Anti-War Past Recalled
> By Jeff Gannon
> Talon News
> February 11, 2004
>
> http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/february/0211_bush_military_record.shtml
>
> From story,
>
> Kerry's anti-war activities following his service in Vietnam were injected
> into the debate when Talon News asked McClellan about Bush's post-service
> record.
>
> "What is it that [President Bush] did after his honorable discharge from the
> National Guard?" McClellan was asked by Talon News. "Did he make speeches
> alongside Jane Fonda, denouncing America's racist war in Vietnam? Did he
> testify before Congress that American troops committed war crimes in
> Vietnam? And did he throw somebody else's medals at the White House to
> protest a war America was still fighting?"
Anyone who served gallantly in Vietnam has earned the right to express
their opinions about that war and about war in general.
> McClellan responded, "We've already commented on some of his views relating
> back to that period the other day. And, obviously, this was a time period
> also when he was going to get his MBA at Harvard. But the President was
> certainly proud to serve in the National Guard."
LMAO. After shirking his responsibilities, of course he would keep his
head down. No-one who goes AWOL has the gall to criticize the
military.
Adrian
citizen
32 years is a long time, that's why there are records.
A letter from Lt. Colonel Albert C. Lloyd, Jr. was provided along with the
records that said, "This clearly shows that 1LT George W. Bush has
satisfactory years for both 72-73 and 73-74 which proves that he completed
his military obligation in a satisfactory manner."
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/february/0211_bush_military_record.shtml
From those who also were there....
Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm