Republicans defeat Democrats attempt to lower gas prices.
Harry Hope
From The Associated Press, 7/24/08:
http://www.newsday.com/business/nationworld/ats-ap-congress-energyjul24,0,7104838.story
GOP kills effort to release oil from US stockpile; Dems hoped move
would lower pump prices
By ANDREW TAYLOR | Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) _
House Republicans on Thursday scuttled a bill that Democrats hoped
would help lower gasoline prices by forcing the Energy Department to
release 70 million barrels of oil — about a three-day supply — from
the national stockpile.
Democrats promised that the action would have produced immediate
relief at the pump, as was the case with similar releases in 1991,
2000 and 2005.
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Republicans are trying their damndest to keep gas prices high.
Harry
Long Ranger
"Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> From The Associated Press, 7/24/08:
> http://www.newsday.com/business/nationworld/ats-ap-congress-energyjul24,0,7104838.story
>
> GOP kills effort to release oil from US stockpile; Dems hoped move
> would lower pump prices
>
> By ANDREW TAYLOR | Associated Press Writer
>
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) _
>
> House Republicans on Thursday scuttled a bill that Democrats hoped
> would help lower gasoline prices by forcing the Energy Department to
> the national stockpile.
>
> Democrats promised that the action would have produced immediate
> relief at the pump, as was the case with similar releases in 1991,
> 2000 and 2005.
Yeah, leave it to the Dems to use a federal asset to prop up their
horse-shit ideology. The Strategic Reserve is in place to counter an
aggression that might leave the U.S. vulnerable to attack if our oil supply
is interrupted. It's not a slush fund to be used like the Dems have used our
Social Security money.
Vid...@tcq.net
> "Harry Hope" <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>
> news:clii8491scbm0k4di...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > From The Associated Press, 7/24/08:
>
> > GOP kills effort to release oil from US stockpile; Dems hoped move
> > would lower pump prices
>
> > By ANDREW TAYLOR | Associated Press Writer
>
> > WASHINGTON (AP) _
>
> > House Republicans on Thursday scuttled a bill that Democrats hoped
> > would help lower gasoline prices by forcing the Energy Department to
> > release 70 million barrels of oil - about a three-day supply - from
> > the national stockpile.
>
> > Democrats promised that the action would have produced immediate
> > relief at the pump, as was the case with similar releases in 1991,
> > 2000 and 2005.
>
> Yeah, leave it to the Dems to use a federal asset to prop up their
> horse-shit ideology. The Strategic Reserve is in place to counter an
> aggression that might leave the U.S. vulnerable to attack if our oil supply
> is interrupted. It's not a slush fund to be used like the Dems have used our
> Social Security money.
what, are you a crank, or someone who just woke up after a 30 year
dream? the federal reserve has been propping up a failed ideology now
with taxpayer money going into its second year now, and dems raiding
social security, you must be kidding. stupidity reigns supreme i see.
between reagan, bush 1&2, we have seen the debt tripled twice.
what is the definition of a crank? someone who gives out advise that
makes no sense at all.
what is the definition of a crank? one who embraces or acts upon
advise that makes no sense at all.
Long Ranger
<retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> " One way to ease price is to increase supply. One immediate way we
> can signal to people we're serious about increasing supply is to stop
> making purchases or deposits to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve for a
> short period of time.
>
> "I've directed the Department of Energy to defer filling the reserve
> this summer. Our Strategic Reserve is sufficiently large enough to
> guard against any major supply disruption over the next few months. So
> by deferring deposits until the fall, we'll leave a little more oil on
> the market. Every little bit helps. "
>
>
> Who said this? It was April 25, 2006
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/04/20060425.html
>
> LOL.
Yes, LOL is right when you change the subject and context of a discussion in
response to a statement from someone. That is known as a dodge, (or a segue,
if you want to be polite about it). LOL! LOL! LOL! Oh, how funny!
Long Ranger
<retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:25:11 -0700, "Long Ranger" <lorpkins@earthlink
> when W did it. And you're too embarrassed to acknowledge it. Coward.
> LOL. LOL
>
> Damn straight - LOL you boys are pathetic in your ignorance of your
> own leaders actions.
>
The "pathetic" award goes to you for not understanding what you read, and
for thinking that if one side does something wrong, it is somehow
emeliorated if the other side does something similar. George Bush has
suggested "deferring" the filling of the reserve. Democrats have suggested
"using" some of the reserve. That is different, no? I am aware of the
actions of G.W., and I would endorse him being jailed, or even hung, even
though I am a conservative. The problem is, I think you have to hang someone
for the right reasons. That is why I bother to argue with most of the silly
notions promulgated by Democrats and their media lap dogs when it comes to
talking about George. One problem I see is that in the critical areas where
Bush has failed, and, in my opinion violated the law, he has actually served
the interests of the American Left Wing. Therefore, they leave the facts of
what he has done wrong lying still, and the conservatives choke on that,
while they manufacture bogus issues that will inflame their kooky,
parasitic leftist base.
Long Ranger
<retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:02:20 -0700, "Long Ranger" <lorpkins@earthlink
> .net> wrote:
>
>>>>>>is interrupted. It's not a slush fund to be used like the Dems have
>>>>>>used
>>>>>>our
>>>>>>Social Security money.
>>>>>>
>
>
> attention.
>
Oh, and wasn't it the Johnson administration that saw to it that the SS
funds were taken out of "security" and put into the "general fund"? Did you
forget that, or just not know it?
Long Ranger
<retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:25:11 -0700, "Long Ranger" <lorpkins@earthlink
>
> When W made not filling the strategic petroleum reserve part of his
> 2006 4 point plan to lower gas prices ) LOL - that was as successful
> as his Katrina rescue) you were all for it. Now that the reserve is
> 97% full you see a problem with lowering it to levels he was willing
> to not fill at?
>
> LOL. The SPR is the topic. And the GOP has been all over the map on
> it.
>
> Open Strategic Petroleum Reserve to battle high oil prices
> Giuliani repeated his criticism of the Clinton administration's
> refusal to free up part of the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve to
> counterbalance the soaring cost of oil. In Plattsburgh, close to the
> Canadian border, Giuliani said he had visited the frigid city because
> it had experienced "the biggest impact in the state" from a sharp
> spike in oil prices. He said the increases in oil prices provides "an
> illustration of what I can do if elected to the Senate. I am willing
> to take on the president."
> Source: Thomas Lueck, New York Times Feb 17, 2000
> http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Energy_+_Oil.htm
>
>
> March 17, 2000
> The national petroleum reserve is held for times of national
> emergency, but as gas prices continue to rise, several Republican
> lawmakers have called for a release of oil from the strategic reserve
> -- or exploration of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, known as
> ANWAR, that is thought to be potentially rich in untapped oil.
> http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/03/17/oil.reserve/index.html
>
> You have to have a lousey memory and no principles to be a good GOP
> soldier, because any day you'll be asked to believe exactly the
> opposite thing.
>
Try to stay on topic. I quit the GOP on account of Schwarzenegger and bush.
I said I was a conservative, not a Republican.
Bill Bonde { ''Mr Gore, tear down this wall'')
retro...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> When W made not filling the strategic petroleum reserve part of his
> 2006 4 point plan to lower gas prices ) LOL - that was as successful
> as his Katrina rescue) you were all for it. Now that the reserve is
> 97% full you see a problem with lowering it to levels he was willing
> to not fill at?
>
> LOL. The SPR is the topic. And the GOP has been all over the map on
> it.
>
Not that I know of. Republicans have generally stated that the SPR
isn't for these sorts of events but is instead for actual
emergencies. The current situation isn't an emergency. If isolated
Republicans have called for releases, I think they were wrong.
Bill Bonde { ''Mr Gore, tear down this wall'')
retro...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:02:20 -0700, "Long Ranger" <lorpkins@earthlink
> .net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>is interrupted. It's not a slush fund to be used like the Dems have used
> >>>>>our
> >>>>>Social Security money.
> >>>>>
>
> By the way it's the GOP that's borrowed the lions share of SS. Do pay
> attention.
>
Actually, it is Democrats who refuse to allow the money to be
invested. That's been a fight that has gone on for years, spend it
all or invest at least part of it.
--
"Bender, where did you get that bird?"
"I found it lying in the street, like all the food I cook."
Bender, "Futurama"
Long Ranger
<retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:28:03 -0700, "Long Ranger" <lorpkins@earthlink
> showing the GOP has done the very same song and dance your were
> seeking to lambast the democrats for. You don't get to walk away
> saying , well I"M not a republican.
You must have missed the part where I said the same thing applies to both
sides, and that doesn't make your side "right". You are engaging in
"projection". I am motivated by fact, not by comparing one failed ideology
to another. I guess I'll have to take my "ass", as it was "handed to me",
and try for a conversation a little higher up the food chain. (Oh, I almost
forgot, LOL! LOL! LOL!, or something like that.)
Long Ranger
"Bill Bonde { ''Mr Gore, tear down this wall'')"
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Likely RINO. Like McCain, for instance. He's the best Democrat out there.,
short of Obama.........
>
Long Ranger
<retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> ">>>>>>Yeah, leave it to the Dems to use a federal asset to prop up
> their >>>>>>horse-shit ideology. The Strategic Reserve is in place to
> counter an >>>>>>aggression that might leave the U.S. vulnerable to
> attack if our oil >>>>>>supply >>>>>>is interrupted. It's not a slush
> fund to be used like the Dems have >>>>>>used >>>>>>our >>>>>>Social
> Security money.
>
O.K., you are a liberal. Smarter than anyone. I won't make any progress
here.......
tankfixer
retro...@comcast.net says...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:25:11 -0700, "Long Ranger" <lorpkins@earthlink
> when W did it. And you're too embarrassed to acknowledge it. Coward.
> LOL. LOL
Funny but the article you posted didn't say Bush "released" any oil from
the Stratigic Reserve.
--
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.
nobody
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:02:20 -0700, "Long Ranger" <lorpkins@earthlink
>LOL. The GOP used ANWR as theater to smear the dems, knowing full well
>it would have no impact on oil prices. This piece of theater was
>responded to with more theater. If you want oil the SPR delivers it
>faster than ANWR. They played the GOP's game back at them and forced
>the GOP to now put themselves in the obstructionist road. Turn about
>is fair play.
>
The problem is that if you take oil from the SPR, it has to be put
back. Since we're no longer filling it, it would put the security of
the country at risk. All of this for a 90 day reduction in prices
that will reverse when we have to refill it. No thank you.
Bill Bonde { ''Mr Gore, tear down this wall'')
retro...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:45:23 -0700, tankfixer
> <paul.c...@gmail.comm> wrote:
>
> >> You complain about the Dems suggesting tapping the SPR. I showed you
> >> when W did it. And you're too embarrassed to acknowledge it. Coward.
> >> LOL. LOL
> >
> >Funny but the article you posted didn't say Bush "released" any oil from
> >the Stratigic Reserve.
>
> And I pointed that out. But talk of pulling some out when it's now
> 97.5% full is different how from not putting oil in when it was far
> lower?
>
> You might also note I posted Guliani and several other GOP leaders
> calling specifically for Clinton to pull oil out of the SPR when
> prices were far far lower.
>
> But I'm sure you wouldn't want to talk about that. . .
>
Those calls were wrongheaded. And aren't they proved so by the fact
that prices are now so much higher? Where will they go from here?
Should the US government set up a tactical oil/gasoline/diesel
reserve that it can use to move prices? This would be different
from the SPR in that it would be available to push in one direction
or the other if prices got out of hand. It's also a good idea to
have fuel that is refined ready in case of some kind of disruption.
So is that something that both parties could agree on?