Citizen Checks Strain Trust in Police
AnAmericanCitizen
These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order against her and
still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you will.....AAC
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Citizenship checks strain trust in police
Georgia law puts illegal immigrants at risk as victims of crime and racial profiling,
Latino activists say.
By Jenny Jarvie
Times Staff Writer
July 29, 2007
ATLANTA — Emelina Ramirez called police to tell them her roommates were attacking
her, punching and kicking her in the stomach. When the police arrived, they
handcuffed her, took her to jail and ran her fingerprints through a federal database.
She is now in an Alabama cell awaiting deportation.
In the last month, Ramirez's story has spread beyond the Latino community in
Carrollton, the small rural town west of Atlanta where she lived, and across Georgia,
which has just enacted one of the nation's toughest laws against illegal immigration.
It is a story that, for many undocumented immigrants, has one moral: Do not trust the
police.
"People are living in fear," said Jerry Gonzalez, executive director of the Georgia
Assn. of Latino Elected Officials, which is providing Latino residents information on
the new law. That is difficult, he said, because of the vast differences in how local
enforcement officials are interpreting the law.
The Georgia Security and Immigration Compliance Act, which took effect July 1,
requires law enforcement officers to investigate the citizenship status of anyone
charged with a felony or driving under the influence. It also directs the state
Public Safety Department to select and train Georgia state patrol officers to enforce
federal immigration law while carrying out regular duties.
Across the state, however, Latino activists say that local officials are increasingly
running background checks on Latinos who commit misdemeanors, such as minor traffic
violations, or even those who go to the police to report thefts or fraud.
At the same time, criminals are targeting undocumented immigrants, aware that they
tend to have large amounts of cash and are wary of reporting crimes.
"It's the Wild West out here," said Rich Pellegrino, director of the Cobb Cherokee
Immigrant Alliance, which has been working with Cobb County's crime prevention police
unit to persuade undocumented immigrants to report crimes and serve as witnesses
after a string of home invasions had targeted Latinos living in trailer parks.
This month, Pellegrino said, patrol officers checked the immigration status of a
woman driving with a suspended tag, or license plate. She is now awaiting
deportation.
"We spent months building up trust," he said, "and now we've got to start all over
again."
For state Sen. Chip Rogers, a Republican who sponsored the security and immigration
compliance act, there is no problem with local law enforcement's interpretation of
state immigration laws.
The Ramirez case, Rogers said, did not apply to the law he sponsored, because she had
not been charged with a felony or DUI.
But if Ramirez were here illegally, he said, it was the "duty and responsibility" of
the local police to report her to federal officials.
"All my law does," he said, "is require local officials to enforce federal
immigration law."
Yet some legal experts highlight the complexity of such federal immigration laws and
question whether local police officers and sheriffs' deputies can enforce them
without racial profiling and discrimination.
"The fear is that if you put it in the discretion of local law enforcement, you will
have situations where they go outside of the law," said Cristina Rodriguez, associate
professor of law at New York University.
Whether local law enforcement officers act constitutionally, experts say, illegal
immigrants' trust in law enforcement diminishes when officers enforce federal
immigration statutes, which also reduces their ability to fight local crime.
"If you have victims of crime no longer getting help from state officials, perhaps
lawmakers need to change the law or officers need to exercise more discretion," said
Victor Romero, a law professor at Pennsylvania State University. "They need to
understand what is their focus: Do they want to be mini federal immigration officers,
or do they want to make sure their communities are safe?"
Cases such as Ramirez's, Latino activists say, have a detrimental effect on police
departments' crime prevention initiatives and efforts to build relationships within
Latino communities.
Ramirez, 30, was three months' pregnant in June when, she says, her roommates
attacked her. The Carrollton police officer who arrested her did not speak Spanish.
He charged her with simple battery and took her to jail.
When jail officials ran her fingerprints through their database, they discovered that
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement wanted her because she had missed a
deportation hearing in Texas.
"The bottom line is: She was in the U.S. illegally," said Lt. James Perry, the
investigating officer in the case. "She was involved in an incident where the system
caught up with her. That was that."
Carrollton police do not target illegal immigrants, Perry said. In the last year, the
department has worked with undocumented immigrants who were witnesses or victims of a
July 2006 home invasion that resulted in murder at a trailer park. Since then, the
Police Department has set up a Spanish-language tip line.
Still, the police report from the Ramirez case raises questions about whether
officers do, in fact, target Latinos.
After Ramirez was arrested and her 8-year-old daughter went to the station to give
her account of the incident, Perry said, he went back to the house to interview the
roommates about the allegations.
Before asking questions, however, Perry asked the inhabitants for identification and
observed "both body language and verbal language that led me to believe they might be
illegal." According to the police report, "we then told everyone they would have to
go to the jail to be fingerprinted."
For Gyla Gonzalez, executive director of Latinos United of Carroll County, who has
worked with local police to build trust with Latinos, the shock and disappointment
that spread through the community after Ramirez's arrest unraveled much of her work.
"I tell people here they can trust the Police Department," Gonzalez said. "I thought
I was building a bridge with cement and real strong foundations. But now I feel as if
it's just a rickety bridge dangling in the air."
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johnny@.
>
> These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order against her and
> still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you will.....AAC
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> http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-deport29jul29,1,3476072.story?coll=la-news-a_section
>
> Citizenship checks strain trust in police
>
> Georgia law puts illegal immigrants at risk as victims of crime and racial profiling,
> Latino activists say.
>
> By Jenny Jarvie
> Times Staff Writer
>
> July 29, 2007
>
> ATLANTA — Emelina Ramirez called police to tell them her roommates were attacking
> her, punching and kicking her in the stomach. When the police arrived, they
> handcuffed her, took her to jail and ran her fingerprints through a federal database.
> She is now in an Alabama cell awaiting deportation.
>
> In the last month, Ramirez's story has spread beyond the Latino community in
> Carrollton, the small rural town west of Atlanta where she lived, and across Georgia,
> which has just enacted one of the nation's toughest laws against illegal immigration.
> It is a story that, for many undocumented immigrants, has one moral: Do not trust the
> police.
>
> "People are living in fear," said Jerry Gonzalez, executive director of the Georgia
> Assn. of Latino Elected Officials,
If I entered Mexico illegally and couldn't speak Spanish, I would live
in fear too.
These defenders of illegal immigrants, say the police use racial
profiling, while their defense of illegal immigrants, is based solely on
race. Their solution to the problem is to do nothing.
Their solution to illegal immigration is the same as David Eduardo's,
which is, you can't tell an illegal immigrant by looking, so just give up.
--
Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
For a Secure America
http://www.teamtancredo.org/
http://tancredo.house.gov/
Me
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>These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order against her and
>still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you will.....AAC
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>Georgia law puts illegal immigrants at risk as victims of crime and racial profiling
>
I sure as hell hope so!
>
>ATLANTA — Emelina Ramirez called police to tell them her roommates were attacking
>her, punching and kicking her in the stomach. When the police arrived, they
>handcuffed her, took her to jail and ran her fingerprints through a federal database.
>She is now in an Alabama cell awaiting deportation.
>
LOL!!! She's exactly where she belongs. Fuk the invading mexicunt
bitch.
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> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:49:22 -0700, AnAmericanCitizen
>
>
> >These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order against her and
> >still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you will.....AAC
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> >Georgia law puts illegal immigrants at risk as victims of crime and racial profiling
>
> I sure as hell hope so!
>
>
>
> >her, punching and kicking her in the stomach. When the police arrived, they
> >handcuffed her, took her to jail and ran her fingerprints through a federal database.
> >She is now in an Alabama cell awaiting deportation.
>
> LOL!!! She's exactly where she belongs. Fuk the invading mexicunt
> bitch.
There is no need for these people to live in fear... just don't enter
or stay in our country ILLEGALLY. It is THAT simple.
- Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)
Roger
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>
> These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order
> against her and
> still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you
> will.....AAC
What kind of sick fuck calls a beating VICTIM a criminal?
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> http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-deport29jul29,1,3476072.story?coll=la-news-a_section
>
> Citizenship checks strain trust in police
>
> Georgia law puts illegal immigrants at risk as victims of crime and racial
> profiling,
> Latino activists say.
>
> By Jenny Jarvie
> Times Staff Writer
>
> July 29, 2007
>
> ATLANTA - Emelina Ramirez called police to tell them her roommates were
Roger
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America's new motto:
We want to be like Mexico.
We want to have injust and horrid human rights, just like Mexico.
And if Mexico isn't the worst shit on the planet, we want to be like that
country.
Because we are America! We aim to be the crappiest, shittiest, most hate
filled country on the planet!
And justice for all.
Testor Grey
wrote:
I suspect that many of the bleeding heart liberals have no idea how an
American accused of a crime in Mexico is treated.
Roger
news:svtqa353ltru3354u...@4ax.com...
What does that matter?
If Mexico executes every American accused of a crime, would that mean we
should do the same?
If a Mexican jumps off a cliff, must Americans jump off a cliff?
Roger
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> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:49:27 -0700, "Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:uq5qa31e1uaoikob9...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order
>>> against her and
>>> still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you
>>> will.....AAC
>>
>>What kind of sick fuck calls a beating VICTIM a criminal?
>
>
> slapped around by her lesbian lover, "a victim."
Anyone beaten against their will is a victim.
It's the definition of victim, chucklehead.
And give up your hopes for psychichood. You suck at it. You think you can
read my mind but you failed. Utterly.
Whites Right
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uq5qa31e1uaoikob9...@4ax.com...
These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order against her and
still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you will.....AAC
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Citizenship checks strain trust in police
Georgia law puts illegal immigrants at risk as victims of crime and racial profiling,
Latino activists say.
By Jenny Jarvie
Times Staff Writer
July 29, 2007
ATLANTA - Emelina Ramirez called police to tell them her roommates were attacking
Fuck them illegals.Anytime the law has a dealing with someone they should run a NCIC on them. If you are not a criminal this is not a problem and should be welcome by all law abiding citizens. Of coarse the mexicans will disagree as they are all criminals or criminal supporters.
br...@pobox.com
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>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order
>> against her and
>> still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you
>> will.....AAC
>
>What kind of sick fuck calls a beating VICTIM a criminal?
Those who are interested in the truth rather than a pile of delusions.
This lady was just another of the CRIMINALS that have entered this
country illegally. The fact that she was also the victim of a crime is
a separate issue to her own status as a criminal.
Patriot Games
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No, we'd have to nuke Mexico City...
> If a Mexican jumps off a cliff, must Americans jump off a cliff?
Good semi-point. Since Mexico has a sealed-tight southern border shouldn't
we?
Grendel
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> > On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:49:27 -0700, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> >>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>news:uq5qa31e1uaoikob9...@4ax.com...
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> >>> These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order
> >>> against her and
> >>> still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you
> >>> will.....AAC
>
> >>What kind of sick fuck calls a beating VICTIM a criminal?
>
> > You seem to have no problem calling a criminal who happened to get
> > slapped around by her lesbian lover, "a victim."
>
> Anyone beaten against their will is a victim.
>
> It's the definition of victim, chucklehead.
Yes, and a criminal that gets the shit knocked out of them continues
to be a criminal. The fact that they are a victim of one crime does
not change the fact that they are guilty of another crime? The same
way that if you got the shick kicked out of you, you would still be an
idiot.
Think about it. If she hadn't been in this country illegally, then
she wouldn't have been in thar room getting beat up.
Is it her fault she got beat up? I don't know. I don't know if she
started it or not. No one should ever have to get beat up. In that
sense she is a victim, either of an attack or her own stupidity.
Is it her fault she is a criminal? Yes, as she chose to break the
law. And THAT is why she's being deported (rightfully so).
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.
"Have all the opinions you want. They're free. Just don't confuse
them with reality."-Solomon Short.
Mike
> "People are living in fear," said Jerry Gonzalez, executive director of the Georgia
Good.
Roger
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Bob Escher
"Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes Roger maybe we should
You may be happy in your job, you may be happy voicing your
opinions her, you may be happy doing all of your normal day to day things.
But there is many reasons why you should worry. For one unless
your close to retirement and you have a high paying job your wages
will slowly drop, your taxes will increase and when your not smart
enough to learn, read, write Spanish (If you don't know) just remember
the words that are being spoken today
AND YES WE SHOULD BE JUST AS HARD ON CRIMINALS
and on stupid things that people do. We are so lenient a society
what with Political correctness that we are NOT a nation of laws
but a nation of cry babies and a nation of no one wanting to be
responsible for their own actions. This needs to change and change soon
Bob E
Bob Escher
Just because she is also a victim doesn't negate that she is a criminal.
and just because she is a criminal doesn't negate the fact that she is a
victim
(and more then likely she did have responsibility on both.
So yes deport her ass, they did right. Now should they also charge her
attacker
(or maybe they both should be charged with domestic violence
Bob E
Roger
news:fcSdnbRI1MRlZjPb...@megapath.net...
I live in San Diego.
I've lived with Mexican Americans and undocumented aliens ALL MY LIFE.
What you describe is a FANTASY.
Your little fantasy. A fantasy of people who have NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE
TALKING ABOUT.
They don't know these people.
>
> AND YES WE SHOULD BE JUST AS HARD ON CRIMINALS
> and on stupid things that people do. We are so lenient a society
> what with Political correctness that we are NOT a nation of laws
> but a nation of cry babies and a nation of no one wanting to be
> responsible for their own actions. This needs to change and change soon
That's rich. Really good.
This SCAPEGOAT issue is crybabies on heroin.
The economic problems of this country are the problems OF THIS COUNTRY, not
that of the ones coming here to share in this economy.
You have the leaders YOU voted for.
>
> Bob E
>
>
>
Roger
I guess you feel it's okay for police to pull over suspects and rape and
murder them.
That happened a few miles from here.
She was a criminal before she was a victim.
Okay? Okay.
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
Do you lie just to keep in practice, maggot? He said no such thing.
The lengths that trash like you will go to when you lose an argument
boggles the mind.
cedro...@pillinor.net
wrote:
>"Bob Escher" <bes...@rsegroup.com> wrote in message
And you think it okay for a gang 17 illegal bean bandits to rape and
sodomize four young female children in Yuma and then cut their
throats? Somebody get a rope.
Grendel
> "Bob Escher" <besc...@rsegroup.com> wrote in message
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> > "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Grendel" <wstho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
No one in this thread has said that. The fact that you take it to
that extreme displays the stupidity of your arguement.
> That happened a few miles from here.
>
> She was a criminal before she was a victim.
The police should be tried and convicted. But, if you kill someone's
baby, and the baby's father then beats the shit out of you, it does
not negate the fact that you are a murderer.
> Okay? Okay.- Hide quoted text -
So, using your logic, had Cho Seung-Hui been captured by the police
after his rampage rather than taking his own life, and he got beat up
in the process, in your opinion he would no longer be guilty.
What kind of sick fuck thinks that becoming a VICTIM automatically
absolves one of one's crimes?
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.
"Never underestimate the stupidity of that sick fuck 'Roger'."-Solomon
Short (paraphrased)
AnAmericanCitizen
>So yes deport her ass, they did right. Now should they also charge her
>attacker
>(or maybe they both should be charged with domestic violence)
I agree, but keep in mind, the one that is pregnant will be breaking her neck to get
back into this country before giving birth and won't care how many laws she breaks in
doing so. Of course, if she goes before another Clinton-appointed bleeding heart
judge she could be given the keys to the city....AAC
Think before you vote in the next election and make an impact
on who is in control of giving our country away.
johnny@.
A few years ago, a lawyer for a pregnant illegal alien from Mexico,
tried to stop her deportation, by saying the child was conceived in the
United States, and that made the unborn child an American citizen.
Fortunately the court disagreed and she was deported.
Governor Swill
>And you think it okay for a gang 17 illegal bean bandits to rape and
>sodomize four young female children in Yuma and then cut their
>throats? Somebody get a rope.
And you think it's ok for a gang of 17 American kids to do the same?
Swill
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"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:uq5qa31e1uaoikob9...@4ax.com...
These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order against her and
still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you will.....AAC
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Citizenship checks strain trust in police
Georgia law puts illegal immigrants at risk as victims of crime and racial profiling,
Latino activists say.
By Jenny Jarvie
Times Staff Writer
July 29, 2007
ATLANTA - Emelina Ramirez called police to tell them her roommates were attacking
her, punching and kicking her in the stomach. When the police arrived, they
handcuffed her, took her to jail and ran her fingerprints through a federal database.
She is now in an Alabama cell awaiting deportation.
In the last month, Ramirez's story has spread beyond the Latino community in
Carrollton, the small rural town west of Atlanta where she lived, and across Georgia,
which has just enacted one of the nation's toughest laws against illegal immigration.
It is a story that, for many undocumented immigrants, has one moral: Do not trust the
police.
"People are living in fear," said Jerry Gonzalez, executive director of the Georgia
So what. If they are illegal too bad. Everytime I have ever been stopped by the cops they have run an NCIC on me. But then I am white so it does not matter. It only matters if you are a minority. They should run NCIC on every person they come in contact with. If you are not a criminal you will have no problem with this.
Governor Swill
wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:39:07 -0400, Governor Swill
><governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:42:26 GMT, cedro...@pillinor.net wrote:
>>
>>>And you think it okay for a gang 17 illegal bean bandits to rape and
>>>sodomize four young female children in Yuma and then cut their
>>>throats? Somebody get a rope.
>>
>>And you think it's ok for a gang of 17 American kids to do the same?
>>
>>Swill
>
>Of course not, but that does not mean we need to import other scum.
You do realize that Mexico is having the same problem on it's southern
border that we're having along ours?
proudamerican
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> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:49:06 -0400, Governor Swill
> <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:14:39 -0600, Graphic Queen <pa...@pagan.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:39:07 -0400, Governor Swill
>>><governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:42:26 GMT, cedro...@pillinor.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And you think it okay for a gang 17 illegal bean bandits to rape and
>>>>>sodomize four young female children in Yuma and then cut their
>>>>>throats? Somebody get a rope.
>>>>
>>>>And you think it's ok for a gang of 17 American kids to do the same?
>>>>
>>>>Swill
>>>
>>>Of course not, but that does not mean we need to import other scum.
>>
>>You do realize that Mexico is having the same problem on it's southern
>>border that we're having along ours?
>>
>>Swill
>
> very differently than we do.
Mexico gives a two year prison sentence and a fine for the first offense. A
10 year prison sentence for the second. We should adopt this policy without
the 2 year part.
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Mike
> "Bob Escher" <besc...@rsegroup.com> wrote in message
>
> I've lived with Mexican Americans and undocumented aliens ALL MY LIFE.
>
maybe you can go with them.
> What you describe is a FANTASY.
>
> Your little fantasy. A fantasy of people who have NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE
> TALKING ABOUT.
I get it. You know some illegals; therefore, you're an expert on the
issue and no one else has any idea what they are talking about, right?
> They don't know these people.
And the ones you know are representative of the whole?
> You have the leaders YOU voted for.
The leaderes have heard. They're listening better, now.
strabo
> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> These people just don't get it. This woman had a deportation order
>> against her and
>> still called the police.....a multiple lawbreaker, a scofflaw, if you
>> will.....AAC
>
>
The kind that has identified a criminal?
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Roger
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> On Jul 31, 5:38 am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Bob Escher" <besc...@rsegroup.com> wrote in message
>> I live in San Diego.
>>
>> I've lived with Mexican Americans and undocumented aliens ALL MY LIFE.
>>
> When the "undocumented aliens" get deported in the coming crackdown,
> maybe you can go with them.
Nice.
What makes you hate AMERICANS like me? Our VIEWS? our OPINIONS?
You think we should leave OUR COUNTRY because we think differently than YOU?
How ANTI-AMERICAN.
>
>> What you describe is a FANTASY.
>>
>> Your little fantasy. A fantasy of people who have NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE
>> TALKING ABOUT.
>
> I get it. You know some illegals; therefore, you're an expert on the
> issue and no one else has any idea what they are talking about, right?
I know more than almost ALL anti-immigration people. Most of them know all
they know because they've heard it on TALK RADIO. The source of most
BULLSHIT and LIES, especially about this issue.
Bjorn
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>"Mike" <mgcu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Jul 31, 5:38 am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Bob Escher" <besc...@rsegroup.com> wrote in message
>>> I live in San Diego.
>>>
>>> I've lived with Mexican Americans and undocumented aliens ALL MY LIFE.
>>>
>> When the "undocumented aliens" get deported in the coming crackdown,
>> maybe you can go with them.
>
>Nice.
>
>What makes you hate AMERICANS like me? Our VIEWS? our OPINIONS?
>
>You think we should leave OUR COUNTRY because we think differently than YOU?
>
>How ANTI-AMERICAN.
Americans like you?
Your views are not political views, that's the problem. You are a
traitor to your people, you want them to be racially subsumed and
ethnically cleansed by another people. You are like a bad character in
the movies, in fact you are like that little deformed fellow in the
recent movie "300", betraying your people because you imagine you'll
get a better something from the invaders you help. That's you, the
foolish misanthrope.
The point is, it is not a political opinion you are giving, as it is
not a dialog internal to the people of this nation, there is no
legitimate polity for suicide. It is in fact anti-american in its
essence, you are lobbying for the death of the American People and
their Nation and thus you lose the tolerence you might expect to
recieve for an unpopular political opinion.
>
>
>>
>>> What you describe is a FANTASY.
>>>
>>> Your little fantasy. A fantasy of people who have NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE
>>> TALKING ABOUT.
>>
>> I get it. Y know some illegals; therefore, you're an expert on the
Harold Burton
"Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What makes you hate AMERICANS like me (sic)?
Same reason you hate AMERICANS like "him"?
Roger
news:t2m4b39jno2h61tc0...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:56:47 -0700, "Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Mike" <mgcu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1186077962....@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 31, 5:38 am, "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Bob Escher" <besc...@rsegroup.com> wrote in message
>>>> I live in San Diego.
>>>>
>>>> I've lived with Mexican Americans and undocumented aliens ALL MY LIFE.
>>>>
>>> When the "undocumented aliens" get deported in the coming crackdown,
>>> maybe you can go with them.
>>
>>Nice.
>>
>>What makes you hate AMERICANS like me? Our VIEWS? our OPINIONS?
>>
>>You think we should leave OUR COUNTRY because we think differently than
>>YOU?
>>
>>How ANTI-AMERICAN.
>
> Americans like you?
>
> Your views are not political views, that's the problem. You are a
> traitor to your people, you want them to be racially subsumed and
You are an ignorant shit that knows nothing about America.
Roger
news:ams6b3t3u0qq35d36...@4ax.com...
>>they know because they've heard it on TALK RADIO. The source of most
>>BULLSHIT and LIES, especially about this issue.
>
>
> into the US, regardless of what it's based on, is WRONG. However, your
> opinion, as a supporter of illegal immigration into the US, is
> absolutely, 100% correct. How tolerant of your Santa Anna.
Reading is more than knowing all the words.
Terry
> <johnny@.> wrote in message
>
> America's new motto:
>
> We want to be like Mexico.
>
> We want to have injust and horrid human rights, just like Mexico.
>
> And if Mexico isn't the worst shit on the planet, we want to be like that
> country.
>
What do you think makes Mexico such a bad place?
Roger
news:1186199591.6...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
What makes you think Mexico is such a bad place?
proudamerican
You must get out more. Try the internet first so you do not get scared .
Search for news on Mexico. Then after researching this . If you still feel
that Mexico is a good place despite all the drug smuggling , murders, gangs,
crime of all kinds, corruption, bad cops, no economy, starving people, no
jobs , no clean water, no sewer systems, no clean air, polluted rivers,
trash piled every where, hatful racist people, well you get the picture I
guess, then you can go there and visit to see for your self why it is a bad
place.
Roger
news:46b47cdf$0$20193$8826...@free.teranews.com...
You claim it's a bad place, yet you've never been there.
Reading shit on the Internet and then making a judgement is what makes you
make stupid comments like you did.
Get out more. OUT. Not on the Internet!
Tom Sr.
> You are like a bad character in
> the movies, in fact you are like that little deformed fellow in the
> recent movie "300", betraying your people because you imagine you'll
> get a better something from the invaders you help.
Did you like the movie 300?
Do you also like the fact that all Spartan males, who were training to
warriors, had to take male adult lovers once they were adolescents?
So those 300 had been literally ass-fucked for years.
Is that why you cheered for them, because you could relate?
-Tom Sr.
proudamerican
Excuse me , but I have been there. I suppose if you go to the resorts or
Mexico city it may look good on the surface. But it ends at that.
proudamerican
you like the country life on the farm stuff it may also be good except for
the fact that you will be broke and starving all the time.
Roger
Governor Swill
wrote:
>On Aug 2, 6:47 pm, Bjorn <was-walmart-gree...@postamerica.net> wrote:
>> You are like a bad character in
>> the movies, in fact you are like that little deformed fellow in the
>> recent movie "300", betraying your people because you imagine you'll
>> get a better something from the invaders you help.
>
>Did you like the movie 300?
>
>Do you also like the fact that all Spartan males, who were training to
>warriors, had to take male adult lovers once they were adolescents?
>
>So those 300 had been literally ass-fucked for years.
Well, at least a hundred fifty of them.
>Is that why you cheered for them, because you could relate?
You know why queers always check out of their hotel rooms early?
Because they packed their shit the night before. ;-D
Bjorn
wrote:
>On Aug 2, 6:47 pm, Bjorn <was-walmart-gree...@postamerica.net> wrote:
Hell, my seven year old does far more sophisticated put-downs than
that. Something less lame and puerile, please.
Tom Sr.
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:06:29 -0700, "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Aug 2, 6:47 pm, Bjorn <was-walmart-gree...@postamerica.net> wrote:
> >> You are like a bad character in
> >> the movies, in fact you are like that little deformed fellow in the
> >> recent movie "300", betraying your people because you imagine you'll
> >> get a better something from the invaders you help.
> >Did you like the movie 300?
> >Do you also like the fact that all Spartan males, who were training to
> >warriors, had to take male adult lovers once they were adolescents?
> >So those 300 had been literally ass-fucked for years.
> >Is that why you cheered for them, because you could relate?
>
> that. Something less lame and puerile, please.
Just a Reality Check. I would say about 97% of the people posting to
this thread need one.
-Tom Sr.
AnAmericanCitizen
>>Do you also like the fact that all Spartan males, who were training to
>>warriors, had to take male adult lovers once they were adolescents?
>>
>>So those 300 had been literally ass-fucked for years.
>
>Well, at least a hundred fifty of them.
hahahahahah(snort)hahahahaha......AAC
Bjorn
wrote:
>On Aug 5, 3:04 am, Bjorn <was-walmart-gree...@postamerica.net> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:51:25 -0700, "Tom Sr." <tomsw...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Aug 5, 3:04 am, Bjorn <was-walmart-gree...@postamerica.net> wrote:
Start with the little kids who modify headers.
Not sure I follow, chowderhead. I said exactly what I meant, I didn't
diverge from reality with respect to anything that I'm aware of.
You're equating me with you and Roger?
Roger there is a self-loathing racist misanthrope configured as a
"liberal". As are many of you.
Liberals and the Democratic Coalitian are political home base for
homosexuals, you are Gay Central.
Yet of all things, you consider an acusation of homosexuality to be a
choice insult, one worth cackling over publically, even when it's
composed in a lame and grasping fashion.
That is 100% purified Bigotry, my little friend, the real deal. It's a
more authentic, unmistakable flavor of bigotry than any "racism" I've
heard from the right-wingers point your crooked fingers at.
There's a Reality Check.