Re: Some Europeans demand reparations from Muslims
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source: http://europenews.dk/en/node/13861
Muslims have been raiding Europe, especially the southern regions but
sometimes even north of the Alps, continuously since the seventh
century. In fact, the only period during more than 1300 years they
haven't done this was during the time of European colonialism. That's
what they are whining about now. This is compensation for lost jizya.
Moreover, there are now more North Africans in France than there ever
were Frenchmen in North Africa. If non-Europeans can resist
colonization and expel intruders, why can't Europeans do the same
thing?
I'm not even going to mention the Spanish and the Portuguese, who were
under colonial rule much longer than were the Algerians. As Ibn Warraq
says in his book Defending the West:
"Where the French presence lasted fewer than four years before they
were ignominiously expelled by the British and Turks, the Ottomans had
been the masters of Egypt since 1517, a total of 280 years. Even if we
count the later British and French protectorates, Egypt was under
Western control for sixty-seven years, Syria for twenty-one years, and
Iraq for only fifteen – and, of course, Saudi Arabia was never under
Western control.
Contrast this with southern Spain, which was under the Muslim yoke for
781 years, Greece for 381 years, and the splendid new Christian
capital that eclipsed Rome – Byzantium – which is still in Muslim
hands. But no Spanish or Greek politics of victimhood apparently
exist."
From their strongholds in the Iberian Peninsula and elsewhere, Muslims
raided the Mediterranean for centuries. Here is Timothy Gregory in A
History of Byzantium:
"In 826/8 Crete was taken by Arab adventurers from Spain, and in 827/9
Spanish Arabs were able to establish footholds in Sicily. The Arab
presence on these two islands was to have serious repercussions for
Byzantium. Crete became a base for Arab 'pirates' who made the Aegean
and its shorelines unsafe for the Byzantines and presumably also
disrupted trade in the area.
The Arab bases on Sicily were the beginning of a long contest between
Byzantines and Arabs for control of southern Italy and Sicily that was
also to involve the papacy and, eventually, other powers from Western
Europe. The Arabs also used these Sicilian bases to raid Italy and the
Balkans."
The reason why the Vatican became a "city within the city" in Rome
with fortifications was due to repeated attacks by Muslims (Saracens).
Here are a couple of quotes from the book Rome: Art & Architecture,
edited by Marco Bussagli:
"Leo IV's major building project is generally considered to be the
fortification of the Vatican area. After the devastation wrought by
the Saracens in St. Peter's, profoundly shocking to the Christian
world, it was decided to fortify the area around St. Peter's tomb. Leo
III had already made this decision, but little had been done because
of the theft of the materials set aside for the job. Leo IV, who had
already undertaken the repair of the Aurelian walls, gates, and
towers, organized the work in such a way that within four years he saw
it complete.
On June 27, 852 the ceremony of consecration of the walls was
performed, in the presence of the pope and clergy, who, barefoot and
with heads smeared with ashes, processed round the entire circuit of
the fortifications, sprinkling them with holy water and at every gate
calling on divine protection against the enemy that threatened the
inhabitants. The enclosed area was to take on the status of a city in
its own right, which was both separate and distinct from the Urbe of
Rome, despite its proximity to it."
"Despite defeat in 849 and 916 in the coastal cities of Naples, Gaeta,
and Amalfi, the Saracens continued to lay waste to the countryside and
sack the outskirts of Rome, causing the already precarious living
conditions of the urban population to deteriorate still further. In
the face of this continuing external threat, not only was the Vatican
area fortified, but the churches of San Sebastiano on the Appian Way
Sant'Agnese on Via Nomentana, and San Lorenzo on Via Tiburtina were
strengthened."
Muslims complain because they want the good, old days of jizya
payments back. Here is what the Iranian ex-Muslim Ali Sina says in his
recent book Understanding Muhammad: "Megalomania, bullishness, the
sense of entitlement and all other narcissistic traits of Muhammad are
present in each and every Muslim, to the extent that they emulate
their prophet.
From king to pauper, from president to janitor, Muslims consider
themselves to be superior to the rest of humanity. They are convinced
that one day Islam will dominate, mankind will submit to them, and
they will be the masters of the world...
Those who were hit the hardest were the Balkan populations. The
Balkans, with its close connections to Byzantium, was a reasonably
sophisticated region of Europe in medieval times, until the Ottomans
Turks devastated much of the area. One of the most appalling aspects
of this was the practice of devshirme, the collecting of boys among
the Christian minorities who were forcibly converted to Islam and
taught to hate their own kin...
The wars in the Balkans all the way into the 21st century are a direct
result of the legacy of Turkish Muslim brutality. So why does nobody
demand that the Turks apologize in public for their massacres? They
should pay reparations to their former subjects, starting with the
Armenians, who suffered a Jihad less than a century ago, and
continuing with the Serbs, the Bulgarians, the Greeks, the Croatians
and others who have suffered hundreds of years of abuse and
exploitation at their hands.
We can continue with all those European countries that have suffered
attacks and enslavement by North African Barbary pirates for more than
a thousand years. These nations should now demand public apologies and
substantial financial reparations from Arabs and Turks.
If these countries lack the funds to pay, we should hold the Islamic
world collectively responsible and demand compensation from the rich
members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference such as Saudi
Arabia. While we are at it, why not demand compensation to all victims
of Jihad, from the Jews who have been expelled from the Middle East to
the Indians, who have died in the tens of millions for a thousand
years or more?
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A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were
enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 – a far
greater number than had ever been estimated before. source:
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm
Islam's much-vaunted "golden age" was in reality the twilight of the
conquered pre-Islamic cultures, an echo of times passed. The brief
cultural blossoming during the first centuries of Islamic rule owed
its existence almost entirely to the pre-Islamic heritage in a region
that was still, for a while, majority non-Muslim… Jihad piracy and
slavery remained a serious threat to Europeans for more than a
thousand years. As historian Ibn Khaldun proudly proclaimed about the
early Middle Ages: "The Christian could no longer float a plank upon
the sea." The reason why the West for centuries didn't have easy
access to the Classical learning of the Byzantine Empire was because
endemic Muslim raids made the Mediterranean unsafe for regular travel.
It has to be the height of absurdity to block access to something and
then take credit for transmitting it, yet that is precisely what
Muslims do. source: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3017/print
"Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is
Islam." - Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan (member of the Senior Council of
Clerics, Saudi Arabia's highest religious body)
There is evidence that slavery still continues beneath the surface in
some majority-Muslim countries as well—notably Saudi Arabia, which
only abolished slavery in 1962, Yemen and Oman, both of which ended
legal slavery in 1970, and Niger, which didn’t abolish slavery until
2004. In Niger, the ban is widely ignored, and as many as one million
people remain in bondage. Slaves are bred, often raped, and generally
treated like animals… Slavery is still practiced openly today in two
Muslim countries, Sudan and Mauritania. In line with historical
practice, Muslim slavers in the Sudan primarily enslave non-Muslims,
and chiefly Christians. source:
http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=962
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The islamonazi apologists/symps/collaborators/apologists will have their
work cut out for them performing damage control on this. OF course, this
is EXACTLY why the muslime pig fucks want to outlaw all cricticism of
Pislam as hate speech -- just like the nazis, the muslimes don't want the
truth to be told.
repo
> <simple.language.ya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
We must be on the same wave length, was just going
to post the same link
http://europenews.dk/en/node/13861
Also, what finally convinced the Spanish to expel
the Muslims after 700 years; what gave them the
courage to stand up to Islam after so long?
Michael Laudahn eOpposition
"repo" <Kcaj...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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We must be on the same wave length, was just going
to post the same link
http://europenews.dk/en/node/13861
Also, what finally convinced the Spanish to expel
the Muslims after 700 years; what gave them the
courage to stand up to Islam after so long?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
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repo
<nuke.islamis...@your.earliest.convenience> wrote:
> "repo" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:2efc44a4-ff99-40ea...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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> We must be on the same wave length, was just going
>
> Also, what finally convinced the Spanish to expel
> the Muslims after 700 years; what gave them the
> courage to stand up to Islam after so long?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista
Arabic: الإسترداد al-ʼIstirdād, "Withdrawal") was a period of 800
years in the Middle Ages during which the several Christian kingdoms
of the Iberian Peninsula expanded themselves at the expense of the
Muslim states of al-Andalus (Arabic الأندلس).
The Islamic conquest of the Christian Visigothic kingdom in the eighth
century (begun 710–12) extended over almost the entire peninsula
(except major parts of Galicia, the Asturias, and the Basque
Country).
By the thirteenth century all that remained was the Nasrid Kingdom of
Granada, to be conquered in 1492, bringing the entire peninsula under
Christian leadership.
The Reconquista began in the immediate aftermath of the Islamic
conquest and passed through major phases before its completion.
The formation of the Kingdom of Asturias under Pelagius and the Battle
of Covadonga in 722 being major formative events.
Charlemagne (768–814) reconquered the western Pyrenees and Septimania
and formed a Marca Hispanica to defend the border between Francia and
the Muslims.
After the advent of the Crusades, much of the ideology of Reconquista
was subsumed within the wider context of Crusading.
Even before the Crusades, however, soldiers from elsewhere in Europe
had been travelling to the Spains to participate in the Reconquista as
an act of Christian penitence.
Throughout this period the situation in Iberia was more nuanced and
complicated than any ideology would allow. Christian and Muslim rulers
commonly fought amongst themselves and interfaith alliances were not
unusual.
(The "interfaith" was probably because of the resistance from the
Iberians,
Islam was probably at under 50%? If they were more, the Iberia would
not have reconquered ? )
The fighting along the Christian-Muslim frontier was punctuated by
periods of prolonged peace and truces. The Muslims did not cease to
start offensives aimed at reconquering their lost territories.
Blurring the sides even further were mercenaries who simply fought for
whoever paid more.
The Reconquista came to an end on the 2 January 1492 with the conquest
of Granada. The last Muslim ruler of Granada, Muhammad XII, better
known as Boabdil, surrendered his kingdom to Ferdinand II
(The Iberians had the French, the crusaders, and others to help them
kick
the Muslims out; today, the communist Russians, Chinese, the west, all
pulling against one another, running to help Muslims against each
other;)
So who is the easiest target for Islamic expansion, the west with
political
correctness and tolerance or the communist totalitarian countries, who
will fall quicker and easier without much of a fight to Islam?
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It's simple's post. You and him come up w/some great info.
carlos
> "repo" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Also, what finally convinced the Spanish to expel
> the Muslims after 700 years; what gave them the
> courage to stand up to Islam after so long?
(Short version)
There was no sense of urgency because Spain had a tiny population and
there was no great competition for land and resources.
The Moors were literally invited into the country and the Christians
decided to live and let live, "conviviencia", living together. It
worked out OK at first but later, more virulent forms of Islam
entered, first with the Almoravids and later with the Almohads.
The Califate of Cordoba split up into fighting factions and they were
eventually re-conquered piece by piece. The reconquest was virtually
finalised by 1250. Granada remained isolated for another 250 years,
but there was no great pressure to overthrow it until it became an
issue, as Spain entered it golden age.
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(Short version)
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ANd now Spain is devolving back into the pislamic Dark Ages.
carlos
> "carlos" <besomic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I see resolve and backbone here, people don't stand for any pc shit.
The government might surrender but the people will not, I can
guarantee you that. They will remind the government who they work for,
in their own inimitable way.
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Good for the people of Spain! I'd expect nothing less from the sons
and daughters of Reconquista and the conquistadores.