Iranistan, girl publicly stoned to death in the street (very graphic and disgusting)
Doug
I have met muslimes who oppose this practice. His statement was along the
lines
of "stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran." He had no
explanation
for the fact of why only women are stoned to death. He did state that he
thought
the hadiths were bullshit as well, but I doubt that statement would've
played well
publicly, in his native Iranistan (at least under the present regime). He
also had
zero comment as to whether or not the "crime" of adultery should be punished
at all.
Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a punishment
for adultery in Judaism?
F*ck Off Uncle Dave
I'd promote it for people like you. Actually, I'd sponsor tickets for
that.
FOUD
Michael Laudahn eOpposition
soc.culture.canada, soc.culture.israel
From: "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:15:01 -0700
Local: Wed, Aug 25 2010 7:15 pm
Subject: Iranistan, girl publicly stoned to death in the street (very
graphic and disgusting)
http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2108
I have met muslimes who oppose this practice. His statement was along the
lines
of "stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran." He had no
explanation
for the fact of why only women are stoned to death. He did state that he
thought
the hadiths were bullshit as well, but I doubt that statement would've
played well
publicly, in his native Iranistan (at least under the present regime). He
also had
zero comment as to whether or not the "crime" of adultery should be punished
at all.
Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a punishment
for adultery in Judaism?
********************
Do you have a contact to them (truthtube.tv)? Their contact page is not in
working order.
Their work would be good and their site could be become one of reference if
they finally solved their technical issues. The way it is, it simply cannot
be recomended with a good conscience.
--
Unter blinden ist der einäugige könig. >.)
Don't discuss with mohammedan intruders THEIR subjects (mohammedanism & co).
Insist on OUR subjects. So ask them: 'What do you do here in OUR country?
Why aren't you in YOUR country working?' Repeat asking. Don't permit them
any changes of subject nor discussions.
Doug
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FOUD
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FOAD Mahmoud.
FACE
<andx...@gmail.invalid>, wrote
>He did state that he
>thought the hadiths were bullshit as well
Can anyone cite a scholarly notation that the three holy texts of islam
are NOT the koran, the hadiths and the sunna?
Doug
news:q66b76pt33ani2r6r...@4ax.com...
FACE, I'm just repeating what he, an Iranian muslim, stated to me.
He didn't really give any explanation above and beyond the "bullshit"
remark.
Strangely, his wife remained completely silent during this discussion.
Gillard = Rudd in a frock
wrote:
>http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2108
Animals!
abelard
wrote:
>http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2108
>
>I have met muslimes who oppose this practice. His statement was along the
>lines
>of "stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran." He had no
>explanation
>for the fact of why only women are stoned to death.
a male and female were reported stoned in the last week or so...
the female died...the male was finished by shooting...
maybe taliban if you want to trace it
>He did state that he
>thought
>the hadiths were bullshit as well, but I doubt that statement would've
>played well
>publicly, in his native Iranistan (at least under the present regime). He
>also had
>zero comment as to whether or not the "crime" of adultery should be punished
>at all.
>
>Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a punishment
>for adultery in Judaism?
>
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FACE
<andx...@gmail.invalid>, wrote
>"FACE" <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote in message
>news:q66b76pt33ani2r6r...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:15:01 -0700, in alt.politics.immigration, "Doug"
>> <andx...@gmail.invalid>, wrote
>>
>>>He did state that he
>>>thought the hadiths were bullshit as well
>>
>> Can anyone cite a scholarly notation that the three holy texts of islam
>> are NOT the koran, the hadiths and the sunna?
>>
>
>FACE, I'm just repeating what he, an Iranian muslim, stated to me.
>
Oh, I know that. Take no offense. You reported what you were told.
>He didn't really give any explanation above and beyond the "bullshit"
>remark.
>
>Strangely, his wife remained completely silent during this discussion.
>
what a surprise. :-)
FACE
w_su...@yahoo.co.uk
The non prophesying prophet Mohammed was just a mardy arsed jew. He
started a bastardised offshoot jewish sect now called islam simply
because he was refused a loan.
Faceless Man
"Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:i53j9f$8pj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
It's not even promoted in the Koran but that is the reality of Sharia Law. I
hope the fascist law is defeated.
Faceless Man
"F*ck Off Uncle Dave" <david...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:e8136d72-176c-4bfd...@q1g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
Spoken like a true Islamofascist.
> FOUD
Doug
news:cPCdnWzPqM0iuevR...@westnet.com.au...
Isn't the death penalty the prescribed penalty for adultery in the holey
koran?
Doug
news:e8136d72-176c-4bfd...@q1g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
FOUD
******************************
Thomas Santa's outrage isn't w/the fact that a girl was beaten
to death in the streets of Iranistan, but w/the fact that I reported
it.
Doug
news:e3ab76t0gfm8ue2im...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:15:01 -0700, "Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2108
>>
>>I have met muslimes who oppose this practice. His statement was along the
>>lines
>>of "stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran." He had no
>>explanation
>>for the fact of why only women are stoned to death.
>
> a male and female were reported stoned in the last week or so...
> the female died...the male was finished by shooting...
>
> maybe taliban if you want to trace it
>
I'll bet this is the exception rather than the rule -- especially
considering the fact muslim men can apply for and get state sanctioned,
temporary
marriages for whoring, but women can't.
Doug
news:f1632e43-4f83-4b84...@f42g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
By allah you're dumb.
Españuelo
Muhammad was killed by a woman,
women should have to kill all Muhammads.
FACE
<andx...@gmail.invalid>, wrote
>"Faceless Man" <aussie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
It appears that Big Mo hisself started the rocks rolling..............
http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/gems/adultery.htm
"The Quran is the ultimate source of the Shariah because Allah has
guaranteed its integrity. The Quran prescribes flogging. It does not even
mention the word 'stoning' or 'death by stoning' (Rajm). Verse 24-2 says:
"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of
them".
So how has this pre-Islamic punishment crept into Islam? Muslim jurists
think that the Quranic punishment in Verse 24(2), applies only to
fornication and that in the case of adultery, the Sunnah of the Prophet
prescribes stoning to death."
(BTW, seems I read a different outcome to the stoning story that abelard
recounts -- not quite so equal.)
FACE
Abdul Zhitzak
nono....the IDF prefer the Yanks to give them something with more
bang....
Doug
It almost sounds as if someone is proposing a minor reformation
of Islamic punishment! Has the author been threatened with death
or charged w/any crimes of blasphemy or heresy yet?
> So how has this pre-Islamic punishment crept into Islam? Muslim jurists
> think that the Quranic punishment in Verse 24(2), applies only to
> fornication and that in the case of adultery, the Sunnah of the Prophet
> prescribes stoning to death."
>
>
> (BTW, seems I read a different outcome to the stoning story that abelard
> recounts -- not quite so equal.)
>
Equally intolerantly insane? I suppose that's better than unequally
intolerantly insane.
I can only imagine the trial these people endured to be found guilty, if
there was any trial at all.
>
> FACE
Doug
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You should try banging your head against a concrete wall
for a few minutes every day. You'll be a better person for it!
abelard
wrote:
please provide evidence that it would make a real difference
The Peeler
wrote:
It didn't work for you, Lard, you jew bastard.
The Peeler
Oh, look: a retard trying to be "witty"!!! LOL
Keep entertaining us with your retardation, poor The Retard! It's your one
big "talent"!
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard!
Saracene
I expect you've checked on Wikipedia, Bumhole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#Stoning_in_Judaism
Stoning as punishment was prescribed for 18 crimes in Judaism, but
since 30 CE, the Sanhedrin effectively abolished capital punishment.
Typical disinformation there, as we may discover from honest
historians:-
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis2.htm
Since the time of the late Roman Empire, Jewish communities had
considerable legal powers over their members. Not only powers which
arise through voluntary mobilization of social pressure (for example
refusal to have any dealing whatsoever with an excommunicated Jew or
even to bury his body), but a power of naked coercion: to flog, to
imprison, to expel - all this could be inflicted quite legally on an
individual Jew by the rabbinical courts for all kinds of offenses. In
many countries - Spain and Poland are notable examples - even capital
punishment could be and was inflicted, sometimes using particularly
cruel methods such as flogging to death. All this was not only
permitted but positively encouraged by the state authorities in both
Christian and Muslim countries, who besides their general interest in
preserving 'law and order' had in some cases a more direct financial
interest as well. For example, in Spanish archives dating from the
13th and 14th centuries there are records of many detailed orders
issued by those most devout Catholic Kings of Castile and Aragon,
instructing their no less devout officials to co-operate with the
rabbis in enforcing observance of the Sabbath by the Jews. Why?
Because whenever a Jew was fined by a rabbinical court for violating
the Sabbath, the rabbis had to hand nine tenths of the fine over to
the king - a very profitable and effective arrangement. Similarly, one
can quote from the responsa written shortly before 1832 by the famous
Rabbi Moshe Sofer of Pressburg (now Bratislava), in what was then the
autonomous Hungarian Kingdom in the Austrian Empire, and addressed to
Vienna in Austria proper, where the Jews had already been granted some
considerable individual rights. 2 He laments the fact that since the
Jewish congregation in Vienna lost its powers to punish offenders, the
Jews there have become lax in matters of religious observance, and
adds: 'Here in Pressburg, when I am told that a Jewish shopkeeper
dared to open his shop during the Lesser Holidays, I immediately send
a policeman to imprison him.'
More recently:-
http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_fundamentalism.html
Jewish fundamentalists have displayed severe enmity against Jews who
adopt a different sexual life style. Many Israeli rabbis and the
Israeli religious political patties in the 1990s reacted sharply
against the increased visibility and power of the homosexual and
lesbian communities in Israel. According to the Halacha (Jewish
religious law), homosexuality is punishable by death by stoning, and,
although the punishment is not clear, lesbian relations are forbidden.
The Israeli secular press emphasized in the 1990s some of the more
outrageous rabbinical proposals for dealing with homosexuals; these
included a "compulsory healing treatment" and/or a period of
"education in a closed institution." Many rabbis, when interviewed,
indicated that they favored imposition of the death penalty for Jewish
homosexual men. (The rabbis tended to leave lesbians alone.) In their
televised election advertisements, Israeli religious political parties
usually have emphasized that homosexual Jews constitute one of the
greatest dangers facing Israel. The religious parties have been
successful in their attempts to eliminate in public school courses any
mention of Hebrew homosexual love poems, some of which contain
beautiful Hebrew lyrics. This censorship is evidence of fundamentalist
influence.Sexual Offenses
SEXUAL INTERCOURSE between a married Jewish woman and any man other
than her husband is a capital offense for both parties, and one of the
three most heinous sins. The status of Gentile women is very
different. The Halakhah presumes all Gentiles to be utterly
promiscuous and the verse 'whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and
whose issue [of semen] is like the issue of horses'40 is applied to
them. Whether a Gentile woman is married or not makes no difference,
since as far as Jews are concerned the very concept of matrimony does
not apply to Gentiles ('There is no matrimony for a heathen').
Therefore, the concept of adultery also does not apply to intercourse
between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman; rather, the Talmud41 equates
such intercourse to the sin of bestiality. (For the same reason,
Gentiles are generally presumed not to have certain paternity.)
According to the Talmudic Encyclopedia: 42 'He who has carnal
knowledge of the wife of a Gentile is not liable to the death penalty,
for it is written: "thy fellow's wife"43 rather than the alien's wife;
and even the precept that a man "shall cleave unto his wife"44 which
is addressed to the Gentiles does not apply to a Jew, just there is no
matrimony for a heathen; and although a married Gentile woman is
forbidden to the Gentiles, in any case a Jew is exempted.'
This does not imply that sexual intercourse between a Jewish man
and a Gentile woman is permitted - quite the contrary. But the main
punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed,
even if she was raped by the Jew: 'If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile
woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or
unmarried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day
- because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killed, as is
the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble'45
The Jew, however, must be flogged, and if he is a Kohen (member of the
priestly tribe) he must receive double the number of lashes, because
he has committed a double offense: a Kohen must not have intercourse
with a prostitute, and all Gentile women are presumed to be
prostitutes.46
Mel Rowing
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:32:40 -0700, "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Abdul Zhitzak" <michaelnewp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
> all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
> the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
> good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
> only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mel Rowing
> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis2.htm
[ ... ]
> http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/jewish_fundamentalism.html
[ ... ]
And Israel Shahak ? the chemist?
"Dr. Shahak is full of startling revelations, if that is the word,
about Jewish history and the Jewish religion. None of those I was able
to check had any foundation.
Some are just funny. He says (pp. 23-4) that "Jewish children are
actually taught" to utter a ritual curse when passing a non-Jewish
cemetery. He also tells us (p. 34) that "both before and after a meal,
a pious Jew ritually washes his hands....On one of these two occasions
he is worshiping God... but on the other he is worshiping Satan..."
I did take the trouble to question my orthodox rabbi nephew to find
what might be behind such tall tales. He had no clue. If orthodox Jews
were actually taught such hateful things, surely someone would have
heard. Whom is Dr. Shahak kidding ?
Orthodox Jews, according to Shahak, frequently kill those whose views
they do not like. "For example, in the late 1830's a 'Holy
Rabbi' (Tzadik) in a small Jewish town in the Ukraine ordered the
murder of a heretic by throwing him into the boiling water of the town
baths..." Shahak gives neither the name of the town nor the year of
this alleged killing. We are asked to take this tale on his say-so
alone (p. 17).
In another story he gives enough detail to find a reference to the
incident in the Encyclopaedia Judaica. It seems that a liberal rabbi
and his family were poisoned in Lemberg (now Lvov) in 1848. According
to the EJ, some orthodox fanatics were suspected of the crime. Where
the EJ reports an unsolved case, which may indeed have been due to
food poisoning, Shahak knows precisely who the murderers were: "the
leaders of the Jewish community." How does he know this ? He won't
say. This is the very stuff of the paranoid approach to
historiography. (P. 17)
One of Shahak's charges has been taken very seriously. Some thirty
years ago Shahak reported to the press that he had personally
witnessed the following incident: an orthodox Jew saw an injured non-
Jew on the Sabbath. To save the man's life, it was necessary to call
an ambulance. The Jew had the phone handy but would not allow a
violation of the sabbath, i.e. use of the phone, because the injured
was a non-Jew. In Shahak's version, with which he begins this book,
the Jew here followed the ruling the of orthodox rabbinate. The story
was taken up by Ha-Arets in Israel, then by the Jewish Chronicle in
London and other publications, all joining in a clamor against the
barbaric orthodox. (Dr. Shahak does not seem to notice that this
clamor, which he duly notes, is in itself a refutation of his charge
that current Jewish life is dominated by orthodox inhumanity).
Dr. Shahak, whose nose is longer than Pinocchio's in any case, does
not tell us the whole story of the incident. In the Summer 1966 issue
of Tradition, an orthodox Jewish journal, we have the much more
credible account by Rabbi Immanuel Jakobovits (later the Chief Rabbi
of the British Commonwealth). First of all, according to Rabbi
Jakobovits, and contrary to Shahak's allegation, the rabbinate had
ruled clearly that not only can the Sabbath be violated under such
circumstances, but such violation would be a religious duty, to save a
non-Jewish life no less than a Jewish life. Moreover, we also learn
that Dr. Shahak, when challenged to produce his "orthodox Jew," was
forced to admit that this Jew did not exist."
Saracene
Naturally Shahak has been vilified. You quote one of his enemies. Note
that he has some distinguished supporters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak
What is your interest Mel? You a philosemite or something? Vulgarian
that you are that would not surprise me. I have seen no suggestion
anywhere that Shahak is wrong or lying in those passages I quoted.
F*ck Off Uncle Dave
> "F*ck Off Uncle Dave" <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote in messagenews:e8136d72-176c-4bfd...@q1g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
What a silly bunt.
FOUD
Ariadne
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/van_hyning.html
Presumably Jew-haters like you also find the worse
-than-bestial behaviour of these Arabs acceptable.
Whose skull would you smash with concrete blocks
and what would it make you?
plainolamerican
> http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2108
>
> I have met muslimes who oppose this practice. His statement was along the
> lines
> of "stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran." He had no
> explanation
> for the fact of why only women are stoned to death. He did state that he
> thought
> the hadiths were bullshit as well, but I doubt that statement would've
> played well
> publicly, in his native Iranistan (at least under the present regime). He
> also had
> zero comment as to whether or not the "crime" of adultery should be punished
> at all.
>
> Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a punishment
> for adultery in Judaism?
"stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran."
---
While stoning is permitted by Islamic Sharia Law in the Sunni and
Shi'a sects, the Qur'an does not mention the practice as a punishment
for any crime.
Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a
punishment
for adultery in Judaism?
----
Rabbinic law based on the authority of the torah, expressed or
inferred, affixes death by stoning to eighteen crimes[7].
1.Bestiality committed by man (Lev. xx. 15; Sanh. vii. 4, 54b; Sifra,
Ḳedoshim, x. 1; Mek., Mishpaṭim, 17).
2.Bestiality committed by woman (Lev. xx. 16: Sanh. vii. 4, 54b;
Sifra, Ḳedoshim, x. 3; Mek., Mishpaṭim, 17).
3.Blasphemy (Lev. xxiv. 16; Sanh. vii. 4, 43a; Sifra, Emor, xix.).
4.Criminal conversation with a betrothed virgin (Deut. xxii. 23, 24;
Sanh. vii. 4, 66b; Sifre, Deut. 242).
5.Criminal conversation with one's own daughter-in-law (Lev. xx. 12;
Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 13).
6.Criminal conversation with one's own mother (Lev. xviii. 7, xx. 11;
Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 12).
7.Criminal conversation with one's own stepmother (Lev. xviii. 8, xx.
11; Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 12).
8.Cursing a parent (Lev. xx. 9; Sanh. vii. 4, 66a; Mek., Mishpaṭim,
17; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix. 7).
9.Enticing individuals to idolatry: "Mesit" (Deut. xiii. 7–12 [A. V. 6–
11]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Sifre, Deut. 90).
10.Idolatry (Deut. xvii. 2–7; Sanh. vii. 4, 60b; Sifre, Deut. 149).
11.Instigating communities to idolatry: "Maddiaḥ" (Deut. xiii. 2–6 [A.
V. 1–5]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Sifre, Deut. 86).
12.Necromancy (Lev. xx. 27; Sanh. vii. 4, 65a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, xi.,
end).
13.Offering one's own children to Molech (Lev. xx. 2; Sanh. vii. 4,
64a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, viii., parashah 10, beginning).
14.Pederasty (Lev. xx. 13; Sanh. vii. 4, 54a; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, ix.
14), and sexual activity between men (Lev. iii, 18:22)[9].
15.Rebelling against parents (Deut. xxi. 18–21; Sanh. vii. 4, 68b;
Sifre, Deut. 220).
16.Shabbath-breaking (Num. xv. 32–36; Sanh. vii. 4; Sifre, Num. 114).
17.Witchcraft (Ex. xxii. 17 [A. V. 18]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Mek.,
Mishpaṭim, 17).
Now, ask yourself, who in the USA fights against capital punishment.
Give up? It's the jews.
Ariadne
Shahak was mentally ill and has passed to his
reward.
Saracene
No I don't find it acceptable. It's a horrible practice that seems to
have been copied form the Jews.
abelard
>?edoshim, x. 1; Mek., Mishpa?im, 17).
>2.Bestiality committed by woman (Lev. xx. 16: Sanh. vii. 4, 54b;
>Sifra, ?edoshim, x. 3; Mek., Mishpa?im, 17).
>3.Blasphemy (Lev. xxiv. 16; Sanh. vii. 4, 43a; Sifra, Emor, xix.).
>4.Criminal conversation with a betrothed virgin (Deut. xxii. 23, 24;
>Sanh. vii. 4, 66b; Sifre, Deut. 242).
>5.Criminal conversation with one's own daughter-in-law (Lev. xx. 12;
>Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, ?edoshim, ix. 13).
>6.Criminal conversation with one's own mother (Lev. xviii. 7, xx. 11;
>Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, ?edoshim, ix. 12).
>7.Criminal conversation with one's own stepmother (Lev. xviii. 8, xx.
>11; Sanh. vii. 4, 53a; Sifra, ?edoshim, ix. 12).
>8.Cursing a parent (Lev. xx. 9; Sanh. vii. 4, 66a; Mek., Mishpa?im,
>17; Sifra, ?edoshim, ix. 7).
>9.Enticing individuals to idolatry: "Mesit" (Deut. xiii. 7–12 [A. V. 6–
>11]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Sifre, Deut. 90).
>10.Idolatry (Deut. xvii. 2–7; Sanh. vii. 4, 60b; Sifre, Deut. 149).
>11.Instigating communities to idolatry: "Maddia?" (Deut. xiii. 2–6 [A.
>V. 1–5]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Sifre, Deut. 86).
>12.Necromancy (Lev. xx. 27; Sanh. vii. 4, 65a; Sifra, ?edoshim, xi.,
>end).
>13.Offering one's own children to Molech (Lev. xx. 2; Sanh. vii. 4,
>64a; Sifra, ?edoshim, viii., parashah 10, beginning).
>14.Pederasty (Lev. xx. 13; Sanh. vii. 4, 54a; Sifra, ?edoshim, ix.
>14), and sexual activity between men (Lev. iii, 18:22)[9].
>15.Rebelling against parents (Deut. xxi. 18–21; Sanh. vii. 4, 68b;
>Sifre, Deut. 220).
>16.Shabbath-breaking (Num. xv. 32–36; Sanh. vii. 4; Sifre, Num. 114).
>17.Witchcraft (Ex. xxii. 17 [A. V. 18]; Sanh. vii. 4, 67a; Mek.,
>Mishpa?im, 17).
>
>Now, ask yourself, who in the USA fights against capital punishment.
>Give up? It's the jews.
so does the vatican....
idiots like saracene apart....
do you have any dates for any of the above last being
carried out....
(apart from muslims of course)
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Ariadne
Show us the video, ibn sharmoute.
F*ck Off Uncle Dave
wrote:
And nobody - and I want to make this absolutely clear - stones anybody
until I blow this whistle. Even if they do say "Jehovah". Parrot
sketch anyone?
F*UD
Saracene
Sorry, don't understand this. Apart from what?
Saracene
I mean, you ignorant sow, that it was in the Jewish Scriptures.
Muslims must have got it from that. Do you know the story in the
gospel about the women taken in adultery?
abelard
let me spell it out for you...i have a very low interest
in tripe cut and pasted from loony web sites by idiots like you
eg, mel is generally honest and informed...he is effectively claiming
your cut and paste is fraudulent...
with his reputation compared to yours, i'm highly inclined to believe
his claims against any you may make
you lower your rep still further with your immature ravings....
therefore it would take considerable evidence to take you at all
seriously
>> do you have any dates for any of the above last being
>> carried out....
>> (apart from muslims of course)
>>
>> --
--
Doug
news:067ba4ac-6f05-4546...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
What a silly bunt.
FOUD
*******************************
The truth hurts don't it T.S.? What's your muslime
name?
Doug
news:f32da84f-4ec3-43c1...@t2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
***************************************
Gee, why did Saracene ignore Abelard's last question?
Maybe because the answer would involve dates over a thousand
years old?
Doug
> 2.Bestiality committed by woman (Lev. xx. 16: Sanh. vii. 4, 54b;
> 3.Blasphemy (Lev. xxiv. 16; Sanh. vii. 4, 43a; Sifra, Emor, xix.).
And nobody - and I want to make this absolutely clear - stones anybody
until I blow this whistle. Even if they do say "Jehovah". Parrot
sketch anyone?
F*UD
**************************8
Except your muslime brethren, who still seem to have a proclivity
for stoning adulterers to death throughout the Mid-East and N. Africa.
Doug
news:0f91b31e-4ec4-40ad...@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
I'm surprised Saracene wasn't quoting islamofascist or ne0-nazi
sites for his revelations about Judaism. After all, Palesimian TV
as well as Egyptian TV have aired programs in which the Protocols
of the Elders of Zion as presented as fact, not fiction.
abelard
wrote:
>"Saracene" <john...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> idiots like saracene apart....
>
>Sorry, don't understand this. Apart from what?
it's idiomatic...
the furniture in this room, the radio and broomstick apart...
most posters, idiots apart
Saracene
> "Saracene" <john....@gmail.com> wrote in message
Because, Bumhole, I had just gone to bed,
> Maybe because the answer would involve dates over a thousand
> years old?
I didn't say it wasn't over a thousand years old. That Is not the
point I was making.
Also Shahak is a perfectly respectable historian. I just googled for
passages from his books. I did not notice the sites they came from and
it is irrelevant anyway.
Abdul Zhitzak
> "Abdul Zhitzak" <michaelnewp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
c'mon doug, concentrate on the discussion ....
Saracene
Mel is an extremely unpleasant person with repulsive views on law and
order and welfare claimants.
> your cut and paste is fraudulent...
I am referring you to a reputable work of history.
> with his reputation compared to yours, i'm highly inclined to believe
> his claims against any you may make
That just means you refuse to pay any attention.
>
> you lower your rep still further with your immature ravings....
>
> therefore it would take considerable evidence to take you at all
> seriously
I don't know what you are refusing to believe.
Faceless Man
"F*ck Off Uncle Dave" <david...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:067ba4ac-6f05-4546...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
What a silly nazi.
Faceless Man
"Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Mohamed Imanutjob is taken.
Faceless Man
"Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:i55trb$7ml$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Faceless Man" <aussie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cPCdnWzPqM0iuevR...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i53j9f$8pj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2108
>>>
>>> I have met muslimes who oppose this practice. His statement was along
>>> the lines
>>> of "stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran." He had no
>>> explanation
>>> for the fact of why only women are stoned to death. He did state that he
>>> thought
>>> the hadiths were bullshit as well, but I doubt that statement would've
>>> played well
>>> publicly, in his native Iranistan (at least under the present regime).
>>> He also had
>>> zero comment as to whether or not the "crime" of adultery should be
>>> punished
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a
>>> punishment
>>> for adultery in Judaism?
>>>
>> It's not even promoted in the Koran but that is the reality of Sharia
>> Law. I hope the fascist law is defeated.
>>
>
> Isn't the death penalty the prescribed penalty for adultery in the holey
> koran?
>
Where? I'd like to see it.
Mel Rowing
> >http://www.wernercohn.com/Shahak.html
>
> Naturally Shahak has been vilified. You quote one of his enemies. Note
> that he has some distinguished supporters.
I just wonder why you come down so heavily in his support?
Perchance he says the very things you want to hear?
It seems to me that Shahak sees antisemitism and zionism as two
faces of the same coin yet seeks to use the very philosophies of
antisemitism to attack zionism. It's as though the elimination of
zionism would lead in turn to the elimination of antisemitism though
apparently not the other way round.
It further seems odd to me that if in fact fundamental Judeaism was
either as widespread or as extreme as he claims then those of us who
are uninvolved in the above dichotomy would be more aware of that
fact.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak
>
> What is your interest Mel? You a philosemite or something? Vulgarian
> that you are that would not surprise me.
And what is your interest?
Such a remark is typical of the obsessive or extremist. If you're not
for us then you are agin us!
So far as I am aware, I have no Semitic blood of any description in my
veins.
> I have seen no suggestion
> anywhere that Shahak is wrong or lying in those passages I quoted.
I'm sorry but when one uses historic incodents to illustrate an
academic work the such incidents must be referenced and verifiable
otherwise they are but nothing. It's not an issue of being wrong or
lying but of credibility. If the excesses of Zionism are as severe as
he claims then there should be scores of easily verifiable historical
illustrations without resort to the obscure.
In dismissing Cohn's criticism of Shahak you seem to dismiss the
influence of Rabbi in traditional Jewish society. Therefore when a
Rabbi says that not only can "the Sabbath be violated under such
circumstances [to save the life of a gentile] but such violation would
be a religious duty" , it means something. He can hardly preach the
very opposite in the synagogue without a tremendous loss of
credibility. Jews are critics and sceptics also.
Saracene
To recap. Bumhole asked about stoning to death in Judaism. I looked up
on Wikipedia and read that the Sanhedrin abolished capital punishment
c 30 AD which would have been the date when Jesus rescued the woman
taken in adultery. I recalled that Jewish communities in the middle
ages used to inflict capital punishment so I looked up the reference.
I am aware there is a constant effort to make Jews now and in history
to sound nicer than they are and have been.
abelard
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>To recap. Bumhole asked about stoning to death in Judaism. I looked up
>on Wikipedia and read that the Sanhedrin abolished capital punishment
>c 30 AD which would have been the date when Jesus rescued the woman
>taken in adultery. I recalled that Jewish communities in the middle
>ages used to inflict capital punishment so I looked up the reference.
>I am aware there is a constant effort to make Jews now and in history
>to sound nicer than they are and have been.
where is your evidence for that?
does it include dopes like you introducing poorly documented
claims of alleged jewish crimes or foolishnesses from 100s or
even 1000s of years ago?
wikipedia indeed!
what is your real purpose...?
this thread was generated in the context of *present day* behaviour
among an ignorant and backward group of medieval 'muslims' in the
middle east...
just how did jews get into your blathering?
why didn't you raise these 'issues' while the cat in the bin was under
discussion...or the bird killing spree in cumbria?
quite apart from your regular immature and intemperate...and
worse, irrelevant...farmyard language
why do you expect to be taken seriously or to merit any respect
abelard
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 26 Aug, 23:10, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> let me spell it out for you...i have a very low interest
>> in tripe cut and pasted from loony web sites by idiots like you
>>
>> eg, mel is generally honest and informed...he is effectively claiming
>
>Mel is an extremely unpleasant person with repulsive views on law and
>order and welfare claimants.
how are 'views' 'repulsive'?
>> your cut and paste is fraudulent...
>
>I am referring you to a reputable work of history.
so you claim...
>> with his reputation compared to yours, i'm highly inclined to believe
>> his claims against any you may make
>
>That just means you refuse to pay any attention.
i can't check on everything that passes my desk...
your reputation is an indicator that you don't deserve much attention.
why should i revise that view?
why should i put much store by the ravings of a gutter snipe like
yourself?
>> you lower your rep still further with your immature ravings....
>>
>> therefore it would take considerable evidence to take you at all
>> seriously
>
>I don't know what you are refusing to believe.
perhaps you should also learn to read...
Ariadne
http://is.gd/eGAk2
"In the late Israel Shahak, the political heirs of Heinrich Himmler
discovered their very own A-1 Jew. They elevated him to that status
over three decades, while he served on the faculty of the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem.
Israel Shahak was a professor of organic chemistry. In his spare time
he was a disseminator of antisemitic lies. Almost every falsehood
invoked by the Nazis to justify the Holocaust was eventually ratified
by this tenured academic at one of Israel’s most prestigious
institutions."
Well worth reading.
The Peeler
A jew will only tell the truth unintentionally, jew cunt.
Well worth knowing.
Ariadne
> Also Shahak is a perfectly respectable historian. I just googled for
> passages from his books. I did not notice the sites they came from and
> it is irrelevant anyway.
The Legacy of Israel Shahak
By Paul Bogdanor
“And then they come, 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his
decent Jew. Of course the others are vermin, but this one is an A-1
Jew.”
- Henrich Himmler
“My book is dedicated to Israel Shahak, who is in fact a Jewish
person.”
- David Duke
In the late Israel Shahak, the political heirs of Heinrich Himmler
discovered their very own A-1 Jew. They elevated him to that status
over three decades, while he served on the faculty of the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem.
Israel Shahak was a professor of organic chemistry. In his spare time
he was a disseminator of antisemitic lies. Almost every falsehood
invoked by the Nazis to justify the Holocaust was eventually ratified
by this tenured academic at one of Israel’s most prestigious
institutions.
Read it!
http://is.gd/eGAk2
Saracene
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:01:20 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>
> >To recap. Bumhole asked about stoning to death in Judaism. I looked up
> >on Wikipedia and read that the Sanhedrin abolished capital punishment
> >c 30 AD which would have been the date when Jesus rescued the woman
> >taken in adultery. I recalled that Jewish communities in the middle
> >ages used to inflict capital punishment so I looked up the reference.
> >I am aware there is a constant effort to make Jews now and in history
> >to sound nicer than they are and have been.
>
> where is your evidence for that?
I thought I had just brought some up. Take it as my thesis.
>
> does it include dopes like you introducing poorly documented
> claims of alleged jewish crimes or foolishnesses from 100s or
> even 1000s of years ago?
> wikipedia indeed!
I was actually finding fault with the article.
>
> what is your real purpose...?
I am hot for the truth.
>
> this thread was generated in the context of *present day* behaviour
> among an ignorant and backward group of medieval 'muslims' in the
> middle east...
> just how did jews get into your blathering?
The thread as far as I am aware was started by Bumhole who asked if
anyone knows anything about stoning to death in Judaism.
>
> why didn't you raise these 'issues' while the cat in the bin was under
> discussion...or the bird killing spree in cumbria?
>
I thought I was answering the question.
> quite apart from your regular immature and intemperate...and
> worse, irrelevant...farmyard language
> why do you expect to be taken seriously or to merit any respect
>
'Cos I am a genius.
FACE
Ariadne <ariad...@gmail.com>, wrote
Yes, well of course, but surely you must realize that the above accolades
make this Shahak a "perfectly respectable historian" to a certain class of
people.
FACE
Saracene
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:38:59 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>
> >On 26 Aug, 23:10, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
> >> let me spell it out for you...i have a very low interest
> >> in tripe cut and pasted from loony web sites by idiots like you
>
> >> eg, mel is generally honest and informed...he is effectively claiming
>
> >Mel is an extremely unpleasant person with repulsive views on law and
> >order and welfare claimants.
>
> how are 'views' 'repulsive'?
Fascistic, homicidal, philistine and repressive.
>
> >> your cut and paste is fraudulent...
>
> >I am referring you to a reputable work of history.
>
> so you claim...
Yes I do.
>
> >> with his reputation compared to yours, i'm highly inclined to believe
> >> his claims against any you may make
>
> >That just means you refuse to pay any attention.
>
> i can't check on everything that passes my desk...
> your reputation is an indicator that you don't deserve much attention.
Well don''t. Don't then risk making a fool of yourself by commenting
on what you haven't read.
>
> why should i revise that view?
Stew in your ignorance for all I care.
> why should i put much store by the ravings of a gutter snipe like
> yourself?
>
> >> you lower your rep still further with your immature ravings....
>
> >> therefore it would take considerable evidence to take you at all
> >> seriously
>
> >I don't know what you are refusing to believe.
>
> perhaps you should also learn to read...
>
That Jewish communities in the middle ages inflicted capital
punishment? That traditional Jewish law prescribes stoning to death
for 18 offences? That some fundamentalist rabbis would like to execute
homosexuals?
Ariadne
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:51:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.politics.immigration,
Yes. To Saracene who thinks it appropriate
to use his Jew-hatred to distract attention from
worse-than-bestial Muslim Arab murder.
Saracene
My views are not those of David Duke, anymore than his are the same as
Gore Vidal, Edward Said or Christopher Hitchens, all friends of
Shahak:-
Christopher Hitchens
Israel Shahak,
1933-2001
(23 July 2001)
From The Nation, July 23/30, 2001
Posted on the Marxism List by Jim Farmelant.
In early June I sat on a panel, in front of a large and mainly Arab
audience, with Thomas Friedman of the New York Times. Our hosts, the
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, had asked for a
discussion of contrasting images of the Israel-Palestine conflict. The
general tempo of the meeting was encouragingly non-tribal; there were
many criticisms of Arab regimes and societies, and one of our co-
panelists, Raghida Dergham, had recently been indicted in her absence
by a Lebanese military prosecutor for the offense of sharing a panel
discussion with an Israeli. However, it’s safe to say that most of
those attending were aching for a chance to question Friedman in
person. He was accused directly at one point of writing in a lofty and
condescending manner about the Palestinian people. To this he replied
hotly and eloquently, saying that he had always believed that “the
Jewish people will never be at home in Palestine until the Palestinian
people are at home there.”
That was well said, and I hadn’t at the time read his then-most-recent
column, so I didn’t think to reply. But in that article he wrote that
Chairman Arafat, by his endless double-dealing, had emptied the well
of international sympathy for his cause. This is a very Times-ish
rhetoric, of course. You have to think about it for a second. It
suggests that rights, for Palestinians, are not something innate or
inalienable. They are, instead, a reward for good behavior, or for
getting a good press. It’s hard to get more patronizing than that.
During the first intifada, in the late 1980s, the Palestinians denied
themselves the recourse to arms, mounted a civil resistance, produced
voices like Hanan Ashrawi and greatly stirred world opinion. For this
they were offered some non-contiguous enclaves within an Israeli-
controlled and Israeli-settled condominium. Better than nothing, you
might say. But it’s the very deal the Israeli settlers reject in their
own case, and they do not even live in Israel “proper”. (They just
have the support of the armed forces of Israel “proper”.) So now
things are not so nice and many Palestinians have turned violent and
even – whatever next? – religious and fanatical. Naughty, naughty. No
self-determination for you. And this from those who achieved statehood
not by making nice but as a consequence of some very ruthless behavior
indeed.
I am writing these lines in memoriam for my dear friend and comrade
Dr. Israel Shahak, who died on July 2. His home on Bartenura Street in
Jerusalem was a library of information about the human rights of the
oppressed. The families of prisoners, the staff of closed and censored
publications, the victims of eviction and confiscation – none were
ever turned away. I have met influential “civil society” Palestinians
alive today who were protected as students when Israel was a professor
of chemistry at the Hebrew University; from him they learned never to
generalize about Jews. And they respected him not just for his
consistent stand against discrimination but also because – he never
condescended to them. He detested nationalism and religion and made no
secret of his contempt for the grasping Arafat entourage. But, as he
once put it to me, “I will now only meet with Palestinian spokesmen
when we are out of the country. I have some severe criticisms to
present to them. But I cannot do this while they are living under
occupation and I can ‘visit’ them as a privileged citizen.” This
apparently small point of ethical etiquette contains almost the whole
dimension of what is missing from our present discourse: the element
of elementary dignity and genuine mutual recognition.
Shahak’s childhood was spent in Nazified Poland, the Warsaw Ghetto and
Bergen-Belsen concentration camp; at the end of the war he was the
only male left in his family. He reached Palestine before statehood,
in 1945. In 1956 he heard David Ben-Gurion make a demagogic speech
about the Anglo-French-Israeli attack on Egypt, referring to this
dirty war as a campaign for “the kingdom of David and Solomon”. That
instilled in him the germinal feelings of opposition. By the end of
his life, he had produced a scholarly body of work that showed the
indissoluble connection between messianic delusions and racial and
political ones. He had also, during his chairmanship of the Israeli
League for Human and Civil Rights, set a personal example that would
be very difficult to emulate.
He had no heroes and no dogmas and no party allegiances. If he
admitted to any intellectual model, it would have been Spinoza. For
Shahak, the liberation of the Jewish people was an aspect of the
Enlightenment, and involved their own self-emancipation from ghetto
life and from clerical control, no less than from ancient “Gentile”
prejudice. It therefore naturally ensued that Jews should never
traffic in superstitions or racial myths; they stood to lose the most
from the toleration of such rubbish. And it went almost without saying
that there could be no defensible Jewish excuse for denying the human
rights of others. He was a brilliant and devoted student of the
archeology of Jerusalem and Palestine: I would give anything for a
videotape of the conducted tours of the city that he gave me, and of
the confrontation in which he vanquished one of the propagandist
guides on the heights of Masada. For him, the built and the written
record made it plain that Palestine had never been the exclusive
possession of any one people, let alone any one “faith”.
Only the other day, I read some sanguinary proclamation from the
rabbinical commander of the Shas party, Ovadia Yosef, himself much
sought after by both Ehud Barak and Ariel Sharon. It was a vulgar
demand for the holy extermination of non-Jews; the vilest effusions of
Hamas and Islamic Jihad would have been hard-pressed to match it. The
man wants a dictatorial theocracy for Jews and helotry or expulsion
for the Palestinians, and he sees (as Shahak did in reverse) the
connection. This is not a detail; Yosef’s government receives an
enormous US subsidy, and his intended victims live (and die, every
day) under a Pax Americana. Men like Shahak, who force us to face
these reponsibilities, are naturally rare. He was never interviewed by
the New York Times, and its obituary pages have let pass the death of
a great and serious man.
© 2001 The Nation Company, L.P.
Saracene
How much do you think we should all hate Muslims? As much as the most
rabid fanatics in Israel do presumably. I am just for a little truth
and balance.
I would like to see an end to such barbaric practices. I am sure yours
is not the best way to go about it.
But you do need reminding how Bumhole began this thread. He asked:-
"Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a
punishment or adultery in Judaism?"
I would have thought my replies were pertinent enough.
FACE
Saracene <john...@gmail.com>, wrote
your views are warmed over shit.
Saracene
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:40:00 -0700 (PDT), in alt.politics.immigration,
Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.
Ariadne
What a sick mind that question shows.
Others look at the brutality you try to hide.
Doug
I believe that flogging is the proper punishment for adultery, but,
according to
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548032
"The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) further said: "[Under Islamic
laws in an Islamic state] It is not lawful to shed the blood of a Muslim
except for one of three sins: a married person committing fornication, and
in just retribution for premeditated murder, and [for sin of treason
involving] a person renouncing Islam, and thus leaving the community [to
join the enemy camp in order to wage war against the faithful]."
(Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa'i)"
Furthermore, from the same web page:
'Given the above, it is to be noted that the punishment specified for an
unmarried person guilty of fornication in the Shari`ah is 100. In the very
beginning of Surat An-Nur, it is stated that: (The woman and the man guilty
of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let
not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if
ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers
witness their punishment) (An-Nur 24: 2).
As for the punishment specified in the Shari`ah for the married adulterer or
adulteress, it is stoning to death. In the Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of Islamic
Jurisprudence, we read the following:
Ibn Qudamah wrote: "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact stoning to
death is a specified punishment for married adulterer and adulteress. The
punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of the
Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) stands as an authentic source
supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other
Muslim scholars..."'
Doug
**********************************
How do you know that ca. 30 AD is when Yeshua saved the
adultereress? Where you there?
Doug
news:ecf3ce76-0197-4c1f...@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On 26 Aug, 22:37, Saracene <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What is your interest Mel? You a philosemite or something? Vulgarian
> that you are that would not surprise me.
And what is your interest?
Such a remark is typical of the obsessive or extremist. If you're not
for us then you are agin us!
So far as I am aware, I have no Semitic blood of any description in my
veins.
*****************************
"Philosemite":
Philo-Semitism, Philosemitism, or Judeophilia is an interest in, respect
for, and appreciation of the Jewish people, their historical significance
and the positive impacts of Judaism in the history of the western world, in
particular, generally on the part of a gentile. Within the Jewish community
it also includes the significance of Jewish culture and the love of
everything Jewish. The concept is not new, and has been avowed by thinkers
such as Friedrich Nietzsche, who described himself as a
"anti-anti-Semite"[1], but it has perhaps recently become a growing
phenomenon. It is characterized (among other things) by an interest in
Jewish culture and history, as well as increasing university enrollment by
non-Jews in courses relating to Judaism (including Judaism, Hebrew and
Jewish languages)[citation needed]. A Philosemite or Judeophile is a gentile
who substantially subscribes to, or practices, any of the above.
Doug
***********************************
In the same way one despise nazis for the ideology THEY subscribe
to, so should muslimes be despised for the ideology THEY subscribe
to. IOW, you can't be a good muslime and be a good person.
Ariadne
On the Marxist-Islamist-Nazi continuum and
worthless. The lying Said is beloved of them
all and Hitchens underwent an enlightenment.
The Peeler
Of course you sick psychopathic swine are projecting, as ALWAYS!
> Well worth knowing.
Everyone knows what the matter is with you, poor miserable housebound
psychopathic sod! <BG>
--
Retarded, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident psychopath, The
Retard!
abelard
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 27 Aug, 11:46, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:38:59 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>>
>> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 26 Aug, 23:10, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> >> let me spell it out for you...i have a very low interest
>> >> in tripe cut and pasted from loony web sites by idiots like you
>>
>> >> eg, mel is generally honest and informed...he is effectively claiming
>>
>> >Mel is an extremely unpleasant person with repulsive views on law and
>> >order and welfare claimants.
>>
>> how are 'views' 'repulsive'?
>
>Fascistic, homicidal, philistine and repressive.
and which are his 'views' which meet those adjectives?
>> >> your cut and paste is fraudulent...
>>
>> >I am referring you to a reputable work of history.
>>
>> so you claim...
>
>Yes I do.
yes, you claim
>> >> with his reputation compared to yours, i'm highly inclined to believe
>> >> his claims against any you may make
>>
>> >That just means you refuse to pay any attention.
>>
>> i can't check on everything that passes my desk...
>> your reputation is an indicator that you don't deserve much attention.
>
>Well don''t. Don't then risk making a fool of yourself by commenting
>on what you haven't read.
you're slow...
others have commented...other in whom i'd put more trust
than in yourself...
>> why should i revise that view?
>
>Stew in your ignorance for all I care.
trying poor rhetoric won't increase your credibility
>> why should i put much store by the ravings of a gutter snipe like
>> yourself?
>>
>> >> you lower your rep still further with your immature ravings....
>>
>> >> therefore it would take considerable evidence to take you at all
>> >> seriously
>>
>> >I don't know what you are refusing to believe.
>>
>> perhaps you should also learn to read...
>>
>That Jewish communities in the middle ages inflicted capital
>punishment? That traditional Jewish law prescribes stoning to death
>for 18 offences? That some fundamentalist rabbis would like to execute
>homosexuals?
no, the lines to which you responded illogically
now you give a further indication of your inability to read well
Saracene
It is obvious that you Face and Bumhole all have an agenda of
fanatical Zionism. Sheer hatred that you want the rest of us to share.
So don't play the innocent with me.
Saracene
> "Saracene" <john....@gmail.com> wrote in message
That is traditionally about the time when Jesus was on his mission.
Personally I don;t care whether or not he even existed. What cunt gave
you five stars for that stupid comment, Bumhole?
Saracene
Just as my views, being a bit critical of Jewish chauvinism are
described to your approval as 'warmed up shit'. You chosen people
really do hate us decent folks with a passion.
abelard
you have the logical ability of a mildewed turnip....
1)all rights are earned...
2)telling facts is not 'patronising'
>During the first intifada, in the late 1980s, the Palestinians denied
>themselves the recourse to arms, mounted a civil resistance, produced
>voices like Hanan Ashrawi and greatly stirred world opinion. For this
>they were offered some non-contiguous enclaves within an Israeli-
>controlled and Israeli-settled condominium. Better than nothing, you
>might say. But it’s the very deal the Israeli settlers reject in their
>own case, and they do not even live in Israel “proper”. (They just
>have the support of the armed forces of Israel “proper”.) So now
>things are not so nice and many Palestinians have turned violent and
>even – whatever next? – religious and fanatical. Naughty, naughty. No
>self-determination for you. And this from those who achieved statehood
>not by making nice but as a consequence of some very ruthless behavior
>indeed.
you do much better reading history than your daft websites and
leftist/jihadi propaganda
>I am writing these lines in memoriam for my dear friend and comrade
>Dr. Israel Shahak, who died on July 2. His home on Bartenura Street in
>Jerusalem was a library of information about the human rights of the
>oppressed. The families of prisoners, the staff of closed and censored
>publications, the victims of eviction and confiscation – none were
>ever turned away. I have met influential “civil society” Palestinians
>alive today who were protected as students when Israel was a professor
>of chemistry at the Hebrew University; from him they learned never to
>generalize about Jews. And they respected him not just for his
>consistent stand against discrimination but also because – he never
>condescended to them. He detested nationalism and religion and made no
>secret of his contempt for the grasping Arafat entourage. But, as he
>once put it to me, “I will now only meet with Palestinian spokesmen
>when we are out of the country. I have some severe criticisms to
>present to them. But I cannot do this while they are living under
>occupation and I can ‘visit’ them as a privileged citizen.” This
>apparently small point of ethical etiquette contains almost the whole
>dimension of what is missing from our present discourse: the element
>of elementary dignity and genuine mutual recognition.
and exactly what is
" elementary dignity and genuine mutual recognition."
>Shahak’s childhood was spent in Nazified Poland, the Warsaw Ghetto and
>Bergen-Belsen concentration camp; at the end of the war he was the
>only male left in his family. He reached Palestine before statehood,
>in 1945. In 1956 he heard David Ben-Gurion make a demagogic speech
>about the Anglo-French-Israeli attack on Egypt, referring to this
>dirty war as a campaign for “the kingdom of David and Solomon”. That
>instilled in him the germinal feelings of opposition. By the end of
>his life, he had produced a scholarly body of work that showed the
>indissoluble connection between messianic delusions and racial and
>political ones. He had also, during his chairmanship of the Israeli
>League for Human and Civil Rights, set a personal example that would
>be very difficult to emulate.
"indissoluble connection between messianic delusions and racial and
political ones"
what is 'a messianic delusion'
and
what makes these *alleged* connections 'indissoluble?
>He had no heroes and no dogmas and no party allegiances.
do you really suck up that sort of dribble?
> If he
>admitted to any intellectual model, it would have been Spinoza. For
>Shahak, the liberation of the Jewish people was an aspect of the
>Enlightenment, and involved their own self-emancipation from ghetto
>life and from clerical control,
of course shahak suffered from no control....
this is disgusting blithering
it is not analysis in any sense...but of course it is from a marxist
propaganda source
'genius'...you wish
your are merely gullible
--
abelard
clearly he is less patient with you this day than myself...
but his comment is just as accurate
abelard
standard lefty response when cornered
abelard
wrote:
>In the same way one despise nazis for the ideology THEY subscribe
>to, so should muslimes be despised for the ideology THEY subscribe
>to. IOW, you can't be a good muslime and be a good person.
how are you defining 'a good muslim'?
abelard
what is your claim to being 'a decent person'?
where is your evidence of ariadne's 'jewish chauvenism'?
who are *ariadne's* 'chosen people'?
where is your evidence that these alleged people hate
'us decent folks with a passion'?
Saracene
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>
>
>
Saracene
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:32:00 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>
> >On 27 Aug, 18:08, Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 27 Aug, 17:01, Saracene <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > How much do you think we should all hate Muslims?
>
> >> What a sick mind that question shows.
>
> >> Others look at the brutality you try to hide.
>
> >It is obvious that you Face and Bumhole all have an agenda of
> >fanatical Zionism. Sheer hatred that you want the rest of us to share.
> >So don't play the innocent with me.
>
> standard lefty response when cornered
>
> --
abelard
>Is Zionism an integral part of your anti-socialism?
your sentence makes no sense
what on earth do you mean by 'zionism'?
don't you know any history?
much of israel believes without good evidence that the state was
founded on and controlled by socialists for more than 3 decades..
i cannot have (even) an argument with an unarmed poster...
your are unarmed
abelard
who 'hates' you?
where is your evidence?
you may be bordering on paranoia
Saracene
sort of people who respect Shahak and what they write about him. Is
Israel important to you? Personally the Palestinian question is not
something I feel passionately about. Perhaps I am not the
compassionate sort. One wonders about you. Do you believe in God like
some of your bedmates?
abelard
so was obarmy a few months back...
so was stalin a few decades back...
so was velikovsky...
>. I was just showing the
>sort of people
then come up with someone with greater depth than the
hitchens bros...
perhaps laurel and hardy...
> who respect Shahak and what they write about him. Is
>Israel important to you?
civilisation is important to me...israel is civilised...most
of the satrapies around that area are the reverse of civilised...
they endanger civilisation...
that is most definitely against my interests
> Personally the Palestinian question is not
>something I feel passionately about. Perhaps I am not the
>compassionate sort.
what has 'passion' to do with 'compassion'?
> One wonders about you. Do you believe in God
define 'god'
> like
>some of your bedmates?
what 'bedmates'?
Saracene
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>
>
>
> >> >> What a sick mind that question shows.
>
> >> >> Others look at the brutality you try to hide.
>
> >> >It is obvious that you Face and Bumhole all have an agenda of
> >> >fanatical Zionism. Sheer hatred that you want the rest of us to share.
> >> >So don't play the innocent with me.
>
> >> standard lefty response when cornered
> >Is Zionism an integral part of your anti-socialism?
>
> your sentence makes no sense
>
> what on earth do you mean by 'zionism'?
Here I mean Jewish chauvinism based around the state of Israel and
what are supposed to be its interests. These days this seems to
involve a fanatical hatred of Islam which they want to get the rest of
the west to share, and which I believe to be against the interests of
the west as a whole.
My opinions though, are declared to be 'warmed up shit' and you
concur.
>
> don't you know any history?
> much of israel believes without good evidence that the state was
> founded on and controlled by socialists for more than 3 decades..
I do know all that.
>
Why then do you accuse me of a 'standard lefty response'? I don't see
what it has got to do with leftism unless you see any opposition to
Zionism so defined as some sort of socialism. I do suspect you might
be idiot enough to think that.
Saracene
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:51:56 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>
> >On 27 Aug, 22:06, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
> >> it is not analysis in any sense...but of course it is from a marxist
> >> propaganda source
>
> >Hitchens is very well thought of in the US.
>
> so was obarmy a few months back...
> so was stalin a few decades back...
> so was velikovsky...
>
> >. I was just showing the
> >sort of people
>
> then come up with someone with greater depth than the
> hitchens bros...
> perhaps laurel and hardy...
I just wanted to show he was admired by others than David Duke.
>
> > who respect Shahak and what they write about him. Is
> >Israel important to you?
>
> civilisation is important to me...israel is civilised...most
> of the satrapies around that area are the reverse of civilised...
> they endanger civilisation...
> that is most definitely against my interests
I believe you mentioned paranoia. I suspect your analysis is badly
mistaken.
>
> > Personally the Palestinian question is not
> >something I feel passionately about. Perhaps I am not the
> >compassionate sort.
>
> what has 'passion' to do with 'compassion'?
They just sound the same. I mean I am not the compassionate sort so I
don't get really worked about the injustices in distant parts of the
world. I'm not even anti-Israeli, though I do feel sympathy for those
they oppress.
>
> > One wonders about you. Do you believe in God
>
> define 'god'
>
> > like
> >some of your bedmates?
>
> what 'bedmates'?
Politics makes strange bedfellows they say. You are in bed with an
unsavoury gaggle of Islamophobes.
>
> --
Saracene
>
> > One wonders about you. Do you believe in God
>
> define 'god'
>
I will accept that for an answer.
abelard
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 27 Aug, 22:48, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>>
>>
>> >> >> > How much do you think we should all hate Muslims?
>>
>> >> >> What a sick mind that question shows.
>>
>> >> >> Others look at the brutality you try to hide.
>>
>> >> >It is obvious that you Face and Bumhole all have an agenda of
>> >> >fanatical Zionism. Sheer hatred that you want the rest of us to share.
>> >> >So don't play the innocent with me.
>>
>> >> standard lefty response when cornered
>> >Is Zionism an integral part of your anti-socialism?
>>
>> your sentence makes no sense
>>
>> what on earth do you mean by 'zionism'?
>
>Here I mean Jewish chauvinism based around the state of Israel and
>what are supposed to be its interests.
do you mean nationalism rather than chauvinism?
israel's interests revolve around survival...just like most nations...
> These days this seems to
>involve a fanatical hatred of Islam which they want to get the rest of
>the west to share, and which I believe to be against the interests of
>the west as a whole.
are you confusing 'hatred' with 'contrary interests'?
>My opinions though, are declared to be 'warmed up shit' and you
>concur.
guilty as charged
>> don't you know any history?
>> much of israel believes without good evidence that the state was
>> founded on and controlled by socialists for more than 3 decades..
>
>I do know all that.
>Why then do you accuse me of a 'standard lefty response'? I don't see
>what it has got to do with leftism unless you see any opposition to
>Zionism so defined as some sort of socialism. I do suspect you might
>be idiot enough to think that.
lefties mindlessly trot out any propaganda that is inimical to the
west and free societies...
any enemy of the free societies is a friend to socialism
lefties don't think for themselves...they follow the party dogma...
their interest is far more in an ally in their war against freedom...
naturally they see the dysfunctional m.e. states as allies...
let alone madsam's socialist irak and socialist syria....
the real root of socialist 'hatred' of israel is that israel is one
solid bulwark against the socialist religion...
what on earth do you imagine drove and drives the socialist
conniption fit over the removal of madsam?
you are trotting out the standard party line...perhaps you
favour the jihadi party rather than the socialist killer cult
abelard
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 27 Aug, 23:05, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:51:56 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>>
>> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 27 Aug, 22:06, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> >> it is not analysis in any sense...but of course it is from a marxist
>> >> propaganda source
>>
>> >Hitchens is very well thought of in the US.
>>
>> so was obarmy a few months back...
>> so was stalin a few decades back...
>> so was velikovsky...
>>
>> >. I was just showing the
>> >sort of people
>>
>> then come up with someone with greater depth than the
>> hitchens bros...
>> perhaps laurel and hardy...
>
>I just wanted to show he was admired by others than David Duke.
then find someone with more depth if such exist....
or let him stand alone...
or deal with his critics hereabouts
or choose a different approach
>> > who respect Shahak and what they write about him. Is
>> >Israel important to you?
>>
>> civilisation is important to me...israel is civilised...most
>> of the satrapies around that area are the reverse of civilised...
>> they endanger civilisation...
>> that is most definitely against my interests
>
>I believe you mentioned paranoia. I suspect your analysis is badly
>mistaken.
i don't think you grasp my position
>> > Personally the Palestinian question is not
>> >something I feel passionately about. Perhaps I am not the
>> >compassionate sort.
>>
>> what has 'passion' to do with 'compassion'?
>
>They just sound the same. I mean I am not the compassionate sort so I
>don't get really worked about the injustices in distant parts of the
>world. I'm not even anti-Israeli, though I do feel sympathy for those
>they oppress.
passionately of compassionately
>> > One wonders about you. Do you believe in God
>>
>> define 'god'
>>
>> > like
>> >some of your bedmates?
>>
>> what 'bedmates'?
>
>Politics makes strange bedfellows they say. You are in bed with an
>unsavoury gaggle of Islamophobes.
not my problem...i answer only for my own sins or positions
you could always list these alleged bedfellows or why you imagine
it is relevant
Saracene
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:07:19 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>
>
>
> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Is Zionism an integral part of your anti-socialism?
>
> >> your sentence makes no sense
>
> >> what on earth do you mean by 'zionism'?
>
> >Here I mean Jewish chauvinism based around the state of Israel and
> >what are supposed to be its interests.
>
> do you mean nationalism rather than chauvinism?
No I mean what I said. Jewish jingoism, supremacism, etc.
>
> israel's interests revolve around survival...just like most nations...
In their case is much more than that. It is backed up by passionately
held religious belief.
>
> > These days this seems to
> >involve a fanatical hatred of Islam which they want to get the rest of
> >the west to share, and which I believe to be against the interests of
> >the west as a whole.
>
> are you confusing 'hatred' with 'contrary interests'?
Hatred. Have you read the posts of Bumhole, Face and Ariadne?
>
> >My opinions though, are declared to be 'warmed up shit' and you
> >concur.
>
> guilty as charged
>
> >> don't you know any history?
> >> much of israel believes without good evidence that the state was
> >> founded on and controlled by socialists for more than 3 decades..
>
> >I do know all that.
> >Why then do you accuse me of a 'standard lefty response'? I don't see
> >what it has got to do with leftism unless you see any opposition to
> >Zionism so defined as some sort of socialism. I do suspect you might
> >be idiot enough to think that.
>
> lefties mindlessly trot out any propaganda that is inimical to the
> west and free societies...
Some have different ideas as to how the those interests might be
served.
> any enemy of the free societies is a friend to socialism
Maybe some free societies had better move somewhere else for the peace
of the world.
>
> lefties don't think for themselves...they follow the party dogma...
> their interest is far more in an ally in their war against freedom...
> naturally they see the dysfunctional m.e. states as allies...
> let alone madsam's socialist irak and socialist syria....
>
> the real root of socialist 'hatred' of israel is that israel is one
> solid bulwark against the socialist religion...
I thought it was supposed to be dislike of Jews. Anyway you have
answered my question. I see what you believe. Quite sad really.
>
> what on earth do you imagine drove and drives the socialist
> conniption fit over the removal of madsam?
Was that really such a good idea? Time will tell.
>
> you are trotting out the standard party line...perhaps you
> favour the jihadi party rather than the socialist killer cult
>
Your line is stupid provincial American bigotry if comes to that sort
of name calling. You probably consider me a communist because I don't
oppose gun control.
Saracene
> i don't think you grasp my position
I shall not be hard on you Abelard. You are not really very
intelligent though you seem to think you are.
>
>
> >Politics makes strange bedfellows they say. You are in bed with an
> >unsavoury gaggle of Islamophobes.
>
> not my problem...i answer only for my own sins or positions
I didn't say It was a problem. I just wondered how many of their
beliefs you shared.
>
> you could always list these alleged bedfellows or why you imagine
> it is relevant
>
> --
Face, Bumhole and Ariadne.
Faceless Man
"Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
news:i58tt7$5fm$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Faceless Man" <aussie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:EOSdnZiIxYg-9OrR...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i55trb$7ml$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Faceless Man" <aussie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cPCdnWzPqM0iuevR...@westnet.com.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:i53j9f$8pj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2108
>>>>>
>>>>> I have met muslimes who oppose this practice. His statement was along
>>>>> the lines
>>>>> of "stoning to death isn't promoted anywhere in the koran." He had no
>>>>> explanation
>>>>> for the fact of why only women are stoned to death. He did state that
>>>>> he thought
>>>>> the hadiths were bullshit as well, but I doubt that statement would've
>>>>> played well
>>>>> publicly, in his native Iranistan (at least under the present regime).
>>>>> He also had
>>>>> zero comment as to whether or not the "crime" of adultery should be
>>>>> punished
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know if stoning to death is promoted anywhere as a
>>>>> punishment
>>>>> for adultery in Judaism?
>>>>>
>>>> It's not even promoted in the Koran but that is the reality of Sharia
>>>> Law. I hope the fascist law is defeated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't the death penalty the prescribed penalty for adultery in the holey
>>> koran?
>>>
>> Where? I'd like to see it.
>>
>
> I believe that flogging is the proper punishment for adultery, but,
> according to
> http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548032
>
> "The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) further said: "[Under
> Islamic laws in an Islamic state] It is not lawful to shed the blood of a
> Muslim except for one of three sins: a married person committing
> fornication, and in just retribution for premeditated murder, and [for sin
> of treason involving] a person renouncing Islam, and thus leaving the
> community [to join the enemy camp in order to wage war against the
> faithful]." (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa'i)"
>
> Furthermore, from the same web page:
> 'Given the above, it is to be noted that the punishment specified for an
> unmarried person guilty of fornication in the Shari`ah is 100. In the very
> beginning of Surat An-Nur, it is stated that: (The woman and the man
> guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred
> stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed
> by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the
> Believers witness their punishment) (An-Nur 24: 2).
>
> As for the punishment specified in the Shari`ah for the married adulterer
> or adulteress, it is stoning to death. In the Kuwaiti Encyclopedia of
> Islamic Jurisprudence, we read the following:
>
> Ibn Qudamah wrote: "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact stoning to
> death is a specified punishment for married adulterer and adulteress. The
> punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of the
> Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) stands as an authentic source
> supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and
> other Muslim scholars..."'
>
>
> Read more:
> http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548032#ixzz0xpUbEOgd
>
>
>
>
> Read more:
> http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548032#ixzz0xpU3mBfP
>
>
Are any of those verses in the Koran? The hadith was written 200 years after
Muhammad died. Even the Christian gospels are more reliable than that!
abelard
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 27 Aug, 23:26, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>
>> i don't think you grasp my position
>
>I shall not be hard on you Abelard. You are not really very
>intelligent though you seem to think you are.
you are confused, illogical and disorganised....
as some fellow is reported to have said...it is not that i'm
clever...the problem is that your are so limited
>> >Politics makes strange bedfellows they say. You are in bed with an
>> >unsavoury gaggle of Islamophobes.
>>
>> not my problem...i answer only for my own sins or positions
>
>I didn't say It was a problem. I just wondered how many of their
>beliefs you shared.
i don't much deal in 'beliefs' and i don't read minds...i read posts,
i read books and i observe
>> you could always list these alleged bedfellows or why you imagine
>> it is relevant
>Face, Bumhole and Ariadne.
ah, others that are taking your daft assertions apart...
not a very challenging task...
of course you don't respond to their comments or arguments...
you merely mischaracterise them and run for the hills
you seem to have some false belief that you are an 'intellectual'...
you are merely confused...
regarding bishop berkeley johnson is supposed to have kicked
a heavy stone and said 'i refute bishop berkeley thus'
you are far too detached from the real world
The Peeler
wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:50:32 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
><john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 27 Aug, 23:26, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>
>>> i don't think you grasp my position
>>
>>I shall not be hard on you Abelard. You are not really very
>>intelligent though you seem to think you are.
>
>you are confused, illogical and disorganised....
You are an ignorant jew bastard, Lard.
>as some fellow is reported to have said...it is not that i'm
> clever...the problem is that your [sic] are so limited
Illiterate too, it seems.
abelard
go away squealer.....at least saracene has an iq several orders higher
than that of a retarded slug....
there's no way he requires your 'help'
go seek attention in your coprophilia appreciation society
The Peeler
wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:23:26 +0800, The Peeler
><peeli...@invalid.admin> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:19:31 +0200, abe lard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:50:32 -0700 (PDT), Saracene
>>><john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 27 Aug, 23:26, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i don't think you grasp my position
>>>>
>>>>I shall not be hard on you Abelard. You are not really very
>>>>intelligent though you seem to think you are.
>>>
>>>you are confused, illogical and disorganised....
>>
>>You are an ignorant jew bastard, Lard.
>>
>>>as some fellow is reported to have said...it is not that i'm
>>> clever...the problem is that your [sic] are so limited
>>
>>Illiterate too, it seems.
>
>go away squealer.....at least saracene has an iq several orders higher
> than that of a retarded slug....
Get your fat jew ass back to 'Israel', Lard. Nobody in the UK wants
or needs you jew bastards.
>there's no way he requires your 'help'
>
>go seek attention in your coprophilia appreciation society
Go play with your website colouring set, Lard. LOL
FACE
<abel...@abelard.org>, wrote
>On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:56:24 -0700, "Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>
>>In the same way one despise nazis for the ideology THEY subscribe
>>to, so should muslimes be despised for the ideology THEY subscribe
>>to. IOW, you can't be a good muslime and be a good person.
>
>
>how are you defining 'a good muslim'?
I can't speak for Doug, but I can speak for myself and in so doing, speak
to that question and it's validity as used.
Generally, we speak of someone being a "good" <insert religion> when they
follow the precepts of that religion as set forth in whatever their holy
text may be.
It is unnecessary for me to detail what islam exhorts its followers to do.
But what is important is that they actually do it. What is more important
is that in doing so they deal in the death of innocents. Other religions
do not do those things in the twenty-first century.
Like everyone else, I have the mormons and seventh day adventists come to
my door but relatively they are entirely benign. There is nothing at all
benign about a "good" muslim.
Trying to use inductive reasoning -- as so many do -- or judging islam by
the some eastern european variety of non-devout muslims, is foolish.
That is because so much of the 'real thing' exists in the real world right
now and one only has to pick up a paper to see what the executive actions
of 'true islam' are. But the foolish continue to blinker themselves to
reality.
In other words, I agree with Doug and for the reasons I give here and have
previously given.
Islam has not been "hijacked" by terrorists, it is what we see done in its
name. And it is done today, in 2010.
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