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Steve from Colorado

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:24:57 AM11/23/09
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Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control

Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control
In Response to Ft. Hood Terror Attack

WASHINGTON, Nov. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Before the Senate
Judiciary Committee November 18th, 2009, Attorney General Eric
Holder revealed a stunningly broad and aggressive anti-gun agenda.

"The President of the United States asked that politicians not use
the Ft. Hood attack to engage in 'political theater.' It appears
those committed to attacking gun owners and the Second Amendment
simply can't help themselves and are engaged in blaming guns and
gun owners on the heels of this terrorist attack. Sadly it looks
like 'politics as usual,'" said LEAA's spokesperson, Ted Deeds.

After explaining and defending his decision to give enemy
combatants constitutional protections and the right to public trial
in civilian courts, Attorney General Holder revealed his support
for a national gun owner registration scheme and authorizing the
government to ban firearm possession for any person by merely
adding that person's name to the terror watch list.

Drawing reasonable conclusions from what Holder publicly said, we
now know:

• Holder wants a national, permanent gun registration system
administered by law enforcement. A registration of honest citizens
that have cleared the federal background check for gun purchases
with those records permanently retained by and shared among law
enforcement.
• Holder wants new federal authority to prohibit any person on the
federal watch list (reported to be 400,000 names) from buying guns
and supports confiscating guns from those on the list who possess
them.

Transcribing General Holder: "The position of the Administration is
that there should be a basis for law enforcement to share
information about gun purchases." "... [It's not] inconsistent to
allow law enforcement agencies to share that kind of information,
for that information to be retained and then to be shared by law
enforcement." "It seems incongruous to me that we would bar certain
people from flying on airplanes because they are on the terrorist
watch list and yet we would still allow them to posses weapons."
{Emphasis added}

LEAA's Executive Director Jim Fotis said, "Those behind the badge
don't believe more restrictions on honest gun owners is a
reasonable, practical or constitutional response to acts of
terrorism. As a retired officer, I know that America's men and
women in blue want to fight terrorism, to stop terrorists; not
waste time keeping records on innocent gun owners!"

www.leaa.org

SOURCE Law Enforcement Alliance of America

Steve from Colorado

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:27:38 AM11/23/09
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www.leaa.org


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edi...@netpath.net

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:38:03 AM11/23/09
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How come we can't VERIFY any of this on either the Gun Owners of
America or the National Rifle Association Web sites, aren't getting
email about it from the Gun Owners of America state affiliates, etc. -
*if* it's true?
And anyone knows just how unfeasible federal gun registration would be
- just like Rosa Parks proved. Anyone *really* think Washington's
going to start a Third Iraq in the vast, contiguous region all the
Northeast's food and heating fuel come from because noncompliance with
such a law would be very high?
RIFLES GUARANTEE FREEDOM. Today at a gun show in Raleigh, North
Carolina, I saw that the price of the "basic" AK had collapsed back to
$399. There's now no excuse for your not having a good semiauto
tactical rifle - and a case of ammo for it.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/04/where-is-your-townhall/ is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."

http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!

ronea...@att.net

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Nov 23, 2009, 3:13:04 AM11/23/09
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Take a look at this PDF:

http://judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/11-18-09%20Holder%20Testimony.pdf

It is the testimony given by Holder on November 18, 2009 before the
Senate Judiciary Committee, the one your post claims outlined Holder's
"...stunningly broad and aggressive anti-gun agenda." The document is
titled: "“OVERSIGHT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE".

Reading it and searching through it, there is no reference to firearm
registration, gun control, watch lists, etc. I think you have been
swallowing too much of the baloney from questionable sources without
even checking into it.

Before you Copy and Paste, Read and Verify.

RO


*FisherKing*

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Nov 23, 2009, 6:21:09 AM11/23/09
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ronea...@att.net wrote in news:40f3770b-cc46-4628-b8b2-58e4c38e9828
@m33g2000pri.googlegroups.com:

What!!! You're asking a rightwinger to actually READ something? You have
to be kidding? Especially when it doesn't agree with their already set
opinions.


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be a conservative."

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is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill

No Way losers

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Nov 23, 2009, 9:09:02 AM11/23/09
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ronea...@att.net wrote:
> On Nov 22, 11:27 pm, Steve from Colorado <gass...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control
>>
>> Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control
>> In Response to Ft. Hood Terror Attack
>>
>> WASHINGTON, Nov. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Before the Senate
>> Judiciary Committee November 18th, 2009, Attorney General Eric
>> Holder revealed a stunningly broad and aggressive anti-gun agenda.
>>
>> "The President of the United States asked that politicians not use
>> the Ft. Hood attack to engage in 'political theater.' It appears
>> those committed to attacking gun owners and the Second Amendment
>> simply can't help themselves and are engaged in blaming guns and
>> gun owners on the heels of this terrorist attack. Sadly it looks
>> like 'politics as usual,'" said LEAA's spokesperson, Ted Deeds.
>>
>> After explaining and defending his decision to give enemy
>> combatants constitutional protections and the right to public trial
>> in civilian courts, Attorney General Holder revealed his support
>> for a national gun owner registration scheme and authorizing the
>> government to ban firearm possession for any person by merely
>> adding that person's name to the terror watch list.
>>
>> Drawing reasonable conclusions from what Holder publicly said, we
>> now know:
>>
>> � Holder wants a national, permanent gun registration system

>> administered by law enforcement. A registration of honest citizens
>> that have cleared the federal background check for gun purchases
>> with those records permanently retained by and shared among law
>> enforcement.
>> � Holder wants new federal authority to prohibit any person on the
> titled: "�OVERSIGHT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE".

>
> Reading it and searching through it, there is no reference to firearm
> registration, gun control, watch lists, etc. I think you have been
> swallowing too much of the baloney from questionable sources without
> even checking into it.
>
> Before you Copy and Paste, Read and Verify.
>
> RO
>
>
So you believe the shit that spews from this half niggers mouth ? He is
a liar . He is a criminal. He needs to be booted from office.

Point : When asked by congress about stimulus money being funneled
through AIG to his buds in big banks to give raises to the under
achieving assholes , he said I will not answer that question .

Real honest guy. I see why you trust his ass.

charles bash

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Nov 23, 2009, 9:01:11 AM11/23/09
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We citizens have a perfectly logical defense, and that is to write
Letters to our Reps and Senators on Capitol Hill.

Silence Gives Consent! An old teaching in the parochial schools. If your
Washington people don't hear from ennyone, then they will logically
think that they can Get Away With It !! Whatever it may be. In this case
"gun control".

There's No Use Lamenting on what they are doing. without making some
effort to correct, or better yet, prevent a situation from fully
developing == through your Letter & Comments!

Such as the gun control issue before us.
C. Bash

<<< One If By Land And Two If By Sea <<< ==o== midnight ride of paul
revere 18 april,, 1775 ,,



No Way losers

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Nov 23, 2009, 9:27:11 AM11/23/09
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Wealthy patriots should be donating arms to all good Americans . We are
going to need them when the war comes.

ronea...@att.net

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Nov 23, 2009, 12:22:16 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 8:09 am, No Way losers <nolos...@att.net> wrote:

> roneal1...@att.net wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 11:27 pm, Steve from Colorado <gass...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >> Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control
>
> >> Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control
> >> In Response to Ft. Hood Terror Attack
>
> >> WASHINGTON, Nov. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Before the Senate
> >> Judiciary Committee November 18th, 2009, Attorney General Eric
> >> Holder revealed a stunningly broad and aggressive anti-gun agenda.
>
> >> "The President of the United States asked that politicians not use
> >> the Ft. Hood attack to engage in 'political theater.' It appears
> >> those committed to attacking gun owners and the Second Amendment
> >> simply can't help themselves and are engaged in blaming guns and
> >> gun owners on the heels of this terrorist attack. Sadly it looks
> >> like 'politics as usual,'" said LEAA's spokesperson, Ted Deeds.
>
> >> After explaining and defending his decision to give enemy
> >> combatants constitutional protections and the right to public trial
> >> in civilian courts, Attorney General Holder revealed his support
> >> for a national gun owner registration scheme and authorizing the
> >> government to ban firearm possession for any person by merely
> >> adding that person's name to the terror watch list.
>
> >> Drawing reasonable conclusions from what Holder publicly said, we
> >> now know:
>
> >> • Holder wants a national, permanent gun registration system

> >> administered by law enforcement. A registration of honest citizens
> >> that have cleared the federal background check for gun purchases
> >> with those records permanently retained by and shared among law
> >> enforcement.
> >> • Holder wants new federal authority to prohibit any person on the
> > titled: "“OVERSIGHT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE".

>
> > Reading it and searching through it, there is no reference to firearm
> > registration, gun control, watch lists, etc.  I think you have been
> > swallowing too much of the baloney from questionable sources without
> > even checking into it.
>
> > Before you Copy and Paste, Read and Verify.
>
> > RO
>
> So you believe the shit that spews from this half niggers mouth ? He is
> a liar . He is a criminal. He needs to be booted from office.
>
> Point : When asked by congress about stimulus money being funneled
> through AIG to his buds in big banks to give raises to the under
> achieving assholes  , he said  I will not answer that question .
>
> Real honest guy. I see why you trust his ass.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
.
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The point, which you failed to acknowledge is true, is that AG Eric
Holder did not say the things Steve from Colorado wrote in the first
post in this string. Trusting Holder is not the question. The issue
of trust is on Steve from Colorado, who made no effort to verify the
claims he made.

Why do you trust Steve? Why do you swallow lies?

RO


Bert Hyman

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Nov 23, 2009, 2:23:15 PM11/23/09
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In news:2ed82cf4-71da-4df1...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
Steve from Colorado <gas...@hushmail.com> wrote:

> Transcribing General Holder: "The position of the Administration is
> that there should be a basis for law enforcement to share
> information about gun purchases."

Transcription of him speaking where and when?

And transcribed by whom?

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com

Patriot Games

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Nov 23, 2009, 2:34:24 PM11/23/09
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:13:04 -0800 (PST), ronea...@att.net wrote:
>On Nov 22, 11:27�pm, Steve from Colorado <gass...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control
>Take a look at this PDF:
>http://judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/11-18-09%20Holder%20Testimony.pdf
>It is the testimony given by Holder on November 18, 2009 before the
>Senate Judiciary Committee

No, that is NOT the testimony, that is the PREPARED STATEMENT.

>Before you Copy and Paste, Read and Verify.

YOU have been CAUGHT LYING.

ronea...@att.net

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Nov 23, 2009, 4:59:55 PM11/23/09
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On Nov 23, 1:34 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
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The Holder testimony can be seen/heard at:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2009/11/holders_testimony.shtml

With the lead in comment:

"Attorney General Eric Holder went before the U.S. Senate Judiciary
Committee today (November 18, 2009) to explain why the
government will try the alleged mastermind of 9/11 in civilian court."

Once again....in Holder's statement and subsequent testimony on
November 18, 2009 there is no mention of the items in "Steve from
Colorado" post.

RO

Patriot Games

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:55:27 AM11/24/09
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:59:55 -0800 (PST), ronea...@att.net wrote:
>On Nov 23, 1:34�pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@America.Com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:13:04 -0800 (PST), roneal1...@att.net wrote:
>> >On Nov 22, 11:27�pm, Steve from Colorado <gass...@hushmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Attorney General Holder Reveals Aggressive Gun Control
>> >Take a look at this PDF:
>> >http://judiciary.senate.gov/pdf/11-18-09%20Holder%20Testimony.pdf
>> >It is the testimony given by Holder on November 18, 2009 before the
>> >Senate Judiciary Committee
>> No, that is NOT the testimony, that is the PREPARED STATEMENT.
>> >Before you Copy and Paste, Read and Verify.
>> YOU have been CAUGHT LYING.

Oops! Caught LYING, again.

That cite DOES NOT provide a transcript of his entire testimony.

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