FBI STAT'S SHOW THE SOUTH LEADS NATION IN MURDER RATE
tom...@aol.com
By Region
South 6.6
West 5.8
Mid-West 4.9
Northeast 4.4
U.S. Average 5.6
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
(while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
them out on this.
Neolibertarian
tom...@aol.com wrote:
Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
--
NeoLibertarian
"Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
and therefore deprive them of their arms."
---Aristotle
tom...@aol.com
> In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> > Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
>
> > By Region
>
> > South 6.6
> > West 5.8
> > Mid-West 4.9
> > Northeast 4.4
> > U.S. Average 5.6
> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
>
> > Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
> > (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
> > them out on this.
>
> Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
While Louisiana's 9.9 rating certainly weighted the figures, New
Orlean's wouldn't have been a factor in the 8.2 rating of Alabama or
the 7.3 rating for Mississippi. Shoot, if it wasn't for the 5.0
rating of comparatively liberal states like Florida, the South's
stat's would be a lot worse than a 6.6 average.
That's the odd thing about statistics, they so often fly in the face
of rhetoric, whether on issues of violent crime or dependence on
federal spending.
Neolibertarian
tom...@aol.com wrote:
> On Apr 3, 7:25 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > tom...@aol.com wrote:
> > > Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
> >
> > > By Region
> >
> > > South 6.6
> > > West 5.8
> > > Mid-West 4.9
> > > Northeast 4.4
> > > U.S. Average 5.6
> > >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
> >
> > > Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
> > > (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
> > > them out on this.
> >
> > Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
>
> While Louisiana's 9.9 rating certainly weighted the figures, New
> Orlean's wouldn't have been a factor in the 8.2 rating of Alabama or
> the 7.3 rating for Mississippi. Shoot, if it wasn't for the 5.0
> rating of comparatively liberal states like Florida, the South's
> stat's would be a lot worse than a 6.6 average.
>
> That's the odd thing about statistics, they so often fly in the face
> of rhetoric, whether on issues of violent crime or dependence on
> federal spending.
Caution, Young Skywalker.
The statistics don't assign cause. You are the only one doing that.
Patriot Games
news:1175649911....@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
HONESTY ALERT! LIARS like YOU should NOT read what follows:
You failed to note that "South" includes DC, and all of the Mid-Atlantic
States.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_03.html
You failed to note that ALL NON-URBAN areas have the lowest crime rates:
Violent Crime per 100K
Metropolitan Statistical Area: 509.7
Cities outside metropolitan areas: 373.5
Nonmetropolitan Counties: 206.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_02.html
This is nobody trusts Socialist Democrats. They LIE every day and every
way...
Patriot Games
news:cognac756-BA1B4...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <1175649911....@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> tom...@aol.com wrote:
>> Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
>> By Region
>> South 6.6
>> West 5.8
>> Mid-West 4.9
>> Northeast 4.4
>> U.S. Average 5.6
>> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
>> Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
>> (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
>> them out on this.
> Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
Actually, is DC that tilts the rates for the "South."
Patriot Games
news:1175654867....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 3, 7:25 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>> tom...@aol.com wrote:
>> > Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
>> > By Region
>> > South 6.6
>> > West 5.8
>> > Mid-West 4.9
>> > Northeast 4.4
>> > U.S. Average 5.6
>> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
>> > Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
>> > (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
>> > them out on this.
>> Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
> While Louisiana's 9.9 rating certainly weighted the figures, New
> Orlean's wouldn't have been a factor in the 8.2 rating of Alabama or
> the 7.3 rating for Mississippi. Shoot, if it wasn't for the 5.0
> rating of comparatively liberal states like Florida, the South's
> stat's would be a lot worse than a 6.6 average.
You failed to mention DC is included in "South."
> That's the odd thing about statistics, they so often fly in the face
> of rhetoric, whether on issues of violent crime or dependence on
> federal spending.
That's the odd thing about LIARS. They ALWAYS lie.....
A Lie of Ommission is STILL a lie...
tom...@aol.com
> <tom...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175649911....@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
> > By Region
> > South 6.6
> > West 5.8
> > Mid-West 4.9
> > Northeast 4.4
> > U.S. Average 5.6
> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
> > Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
> > (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
> > them out on this.
>
> HONESTY ALERT! LIARS like YOU should NOT read what follows:
PG, are you ever going to link a source for your statements, or would
that prove too embarassing?
>
> You failed to note that "South" includes DC, and all of the Mid-Atlantic
> States.http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_03.html
>
.....
> You failed to note that ALL NON-URBAN areas have the lowest crime rates:
Alabama rates an 8.2 and Mississippi rates a 7.3. It's there in black
and white for you to read on the FBI statistical table I provided.
Give Up...Your lies and spin are getting crushed by the facts.
> Violent Crime per 100K
> Metropolitan Statistical Area: 509.7
> Cities outside metropolitan areas: 373.5
> Nonmetropolitan Counties: 206.8http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_02.html
>
.....
> This is nobody trusts Socialist
Yeah, those socialist Southerners, living off of the federal
government at a higher rate than any ofther region (sourced stat's
will gladly be provided upon request). sure are hard to believe.
Especially when they lecture the rest of the country on law and order.
Neolibertarian
tom...@aol.com wrote:
> On Apr 3, 10:12 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <1175654867.784356.79...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Actually, I am doing nothing of the sort. I am simply noting the fact
> that statistics for the "South" show that it out-ranks all other
> regions for murder rate.
>
> I assign no cause at all. My reason for mentioning this fact is in
> response to the regular bombardment from right wing media sources of
> suggestions that more "liberal" regions are more crime-ridden,
I haven't seen these suggestions. Where--who?
Now, as to whether "liberal" regions are more crime-ridden, and this is
self-demonstrating:
Just look at the tax rates.
tom...@aol.com
> In article <1175704171.069791.280...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
...
> I haven't seen these suggestions. Where--who?
Primarily AM Radio, though also in print which both find their way
into Usenet as "fact". The first use was to deminish the sacrifice
of our troops by suggesting people were more likely to die in
"California" than Iraq or that Detroit was more dangerous than
Baghdad. Of course, both of these completely B.S. facts were based on
totally distorted use of facts and both also carefully avoided the use
of far more dangerous places in "conservative" regions of the country,
because they were trying to perpetuate two myths at the same time.
Racists also love to provide facts that "black" are more violent,
while carefully avoiding stat's that, again, point to their own
favored terrain.
Regardless, the specific example that prompted my post was another
post in this same distribution that went under the header:
"Report Shows Most Dangerous American States = Most Illegal-Alien-
Bloated American States "
Which chose to focus on Los Angeles, while linking an article that was
actually based on Red-States Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona. This, of
course, produced the obligatory responses blaming liberal America and
implying that California is to blame for its horrible crime rate (not
realizing how much safer California is than are so many "conservative"
states.)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/56a76c3a22de5184?dmode=source&hl=en
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102714/The-Most-Dangerous-American-States
Ironically, I totally agree with the argument that illegal imigration
is a huge problem and adds enormously to the crime rate. My only
point would be that, for California to absorb such a disproportionate
amount of potential criminals and still remain far safer than most
"conservative" states, is hardly an indictment of "liberalism".
It's a typical example of how "conservatives" have undermined the very
principles they pretend to espouse, as they sacrifice reality for
political expedience.
It's a truly sad trend, as I truly liked conservatives, back when
there actually were some.
>
> Now, as to whether "liberal" regions are more crime-ridden, and this is
> self-demonstrating:
>
> Just look at the tax rates.
>
> --
> NeoLibertarian
>
> "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
> and therefore deprive them of their arms."
> ---Aristotle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
strabo
That is a misleading application of 'safer'. Murder is not the
only factor in determining relative security.
It appears that illegal alien crime, aside from the initial
crime of entering the US illegally, includes the categories
of assault, robbery and drunken driving. Alien drunken driving
for example, kills hundreds of Americans each year.
Then there is the disease factor.
Anywhere illegal aliens gather, there are increases in driving deaths
and injuries, disease, prostitution, assault, robbery and rape.
Want to be safe? Avoid living near blacks and illegal aliens.
> It's a typical example of how "conservatives" have undermined the very
> principles they pretend to espouse, as they sacrifice reality for
> political expedience.
>
> It's a truly sad trend, as I truly liked conservatives, back when
> there actually were some.
>
>> Now, as to whether "liberal" regions are more crime-ridden, and this is
>> self-demonstrating:
>>
>> Just look at the tax rates.
>>
>> --
>> NeoLibertarian
>>
>> "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
>> and therefore deprive them of their arms."
>> ---Aristotle- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
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Patriot Games
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> On Apr 4, 7:50 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <tom...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1175654867....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Apr 3, 7:25 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> tom...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> > Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
>> >> > By Region
>> >> > South 6.6
>> >> > West 5.8
>> >> > Mid-West 4.9
>> >> > Northeast 4.4
>> >> > U.S. Average 5.6
>> >> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
>> >> > Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate
>> >> > statistics
>> >> > (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
>> >> > them out on this.
>> >> Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
>> > While Louisiana's 9.9 rating certainly weighted the figures, New
>> > Orlean's wouldn't have been a factor in the 8.2 rating of Alabama or
>> > the 7.3 rating for Mississippi. Shoot, if it wasn't for the 5.0
>> > rating of comparatively liberal states like Florida, the South's
>> > stat's would be a lot worse than a 6.6 average.
>> You failed to mention DC is included in "South."
> Consider the fact the linked table lists a regional stat' narrowed to
> "Middle Atlantic", which would be assumed to absorb D.C, has a rate
> of
> 5.1, I think it would suggest its influence overall would be very
> limited, when brought into an entire region
Uh-oh, caught LYING.......
Your Table Reference above is "Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter"
The District of Columbia rate is: -0.9....
But you forgot to subtract Delaware which is 32.1, and Maryland which is 6.0
>> > That's the odd thing about statistics, they so often fly in the face
>> > of rhetoric, whether on issues of violent crime or dependence on
>> > federal spending.
>> That's the odd thing about LIARS. They ALWAYS lie.....
> You mean the linked table I provided which broke out all of the
> details as offered by the FBI?
No, I mean you.
Nobody considers Delaware the South.
Nobody considers Maryland the South.
Nobody considers DC the South.
Granted, your LIE was actually enabled by the FBI but they weren't trying to
ridicule the South. Instead they were trying to conceal the out of control
crime rates in urban areas in the North.
Patriot Games
news:1175707884.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 7:50 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> rate of 8.2? Or Mississippi, which has a rate of 7.3?
Another liar unmasked....
8.2... 7.3.... Ohhhhh my....
You DID fail to mention Delaware at 32.1... Rather MORE than 8.2 or 7.3,
eh?
>> A Lie of Ommission is STILL a lie...
> There is no "lie" involved in the fact that the South (INCLUDING THE
> RURAL SOUTH) has a higher murder rate than any other region in the
> country.
Not true.
ALL NON-URBAN areas have the lowest crime rates:
Violent Crime per 100K
Metropolitan Statistical Area: 509.7
Cities outside metropolitan areas: 373.5
Nonmetropolitan Counties: 206.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_02.html
> Liars don't link the stat's they are citing, as I have.
Patriot Games
news:1175699486....@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 7:48 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Neolibertarian" <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:cognac756-BA1B4...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>> > In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > tom...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
>> >> By Region
>> >> South 6.6
>> >> West 5.8
>> >> Mid-West 4.9
>> >> Northeast 4.4
>> >> U.S. Average 5.6
>> >>http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
>> >> Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
>> >> (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
>> >> them out on this.
>> > Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
>> Actually, is DC that tilts the rates for the "South."
> Atlantic", which registers a rate of 5.1.
> Next excuse?
Delaware: 32.1
You've been busted...
Patriot Games
news:1175708942.5...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 4, 7:48 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> news:cognac756-BA1B4...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>> > In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > tom...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
>> >> By Region
>> >> South 6.6
>> >> West 5.8
>> >> Mid-West 4.9
>> >> Northeast 4.4
>> >> U.S. Average 5.6
>> >>http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
>> >> Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
>> >> (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
>> >> them out on this.
>> > Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
>> Actually, is DC that tilts the rates for the "South."
> D.C.) come in at 8.3 and 7.3 respectively. How exactly is it that DC
> "tilts" them in the direction of a 6.6 average?
My mention of DC tilted YOU. It was bait and you took it. It (I) gave you
two opportunities both of which you ignored in your quest to LIE about the
South.
First, you FAILED to note Delaware at a whooping 32.1, then you ASSUME (for
purposes of your LIE) that Alabama and Mississippi are rural when the FBI's
own stats prove URBAN crime (not rural) has increased. See below.
> In fact, since nationwide urban
> areas have an on-average higher murder rate than rural areas, I would
> say this speaks pretty badly for the predominantly rural South, when
> compared to the far more urbanized northeast.
ALABAMA
Crime by State, 2005
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Metropolitan Statistical Area: 311
Cities outside metropolitan areas: 38
Nonmetropolitan counties: 24
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html
Feel free to study other states....
Yes, the South IS predominantly rural. Which is IRRELEVANT.
No, URBAN crime, in EVERY REGION, has increased. It has NOTHING to do with
Region and EVERYTHING to do with URBAN.
Nigger on nigger urban crime, and illegal alien criminals, ARE over 95% of
the crime and crime increase in America.
Try not to be a LIAR next time, and do try to FINISH your homework before
posting.
Patriot Games
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> On Apr 4, 7:47 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <tom...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1175649911....@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> > Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
>> > By Region
>> > South 6.6
>> > West 5.8
>> > Mid-West 4.9
>> > Northeast 4.4
>> > U.S. Average 5.6
>> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
>> > Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
>> > (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
>> > them out on this.
>> HONESTY ALERT! LIARS like YOU should NOT read what follows:
> PG, are you ever going to link a source for your statements, or would
> that prove too embarassing?
>> You failed to note that "South" includes DC, and all of the Mid-Atlantic
>> States.http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_03.html
> Alabama rates an 8.2 and Mississippi rates a 7.3. It's there in black
> and white for you to read on the FBI statistical table I provided.
> Give Up...Your lies and spin are getting crushed by the facts.
I should not have had to be bothered with addressing this. YOU should have
FINISHED your homework.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html
Try NOT to LIE next time.
Hugh Gibbons
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Because it IS part of the south. It's high murder rate accounts for
2.7% of all the murders in the South. Subtract its murders and you
still have a murder rate of 6.5 per 100,000. So it barely budges
the numbers for the south as a whole, because the rest of the
Southerners are pretty quick to shoot, too.
Hugh Gibbons
tom...@aol.com wrote:
> There is no "lie" involved in the fact that the South (INCLUDING THE
> RURAL SOUTH) has a higher murder rate than any other region in the
> country.
>
Furthermore, NO STATE in the Northeast has a rate as high as the AVERAGE
of the South.
Only ONE STATE, Missouri, which is the SOUTHERNMOST of the
states in the Midwest, has a murder rate as high as the AVERAGE of the
South. (Missouri must be misclassified!)
In the West, the high murder rates are in Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada
and California, which are SOUTHwestern states.
There is no arguing with the FACT that the murder rate in the USA is
significantly higher in the south, and this is true from coast to coast.
Hugh Gibbons
tom...@aol.com wrote:
> On Apr 4, 7:50 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> > <tom...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1175654867....@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 3, 7:25 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> > >> > Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
> > >> > By Region
> > >> > South 6.6
> > >> > West 5.8
> > >> > Mid-West 4.9
> > >> > Northeast 4.4
> > >> > U.S. Average 5.6
> > >> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
> > >> > Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
> > >> > (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
> > >> > them out on this.
> > >> Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
> > > While Louisiana's 9.9 rating certainly weighted the figures, New
> > > Orlean's wouldn't have been a factor in the 8.2 rating of Alabama or
> > > the 7.3 rating for Mississippi. Shoot, if it wasn't for the 5.0
> > > rating of comparatively liberal states like Florida, the South's
> > > stat's would be a lot worse than a 6.6 average.
> >
> ....
>
> > You failed to mention DC is included in "South."
>
> This is where your red herring of desperation falls apart:
>
> Consider the fact the linked table lists a regional stat' narrowed to
> "Middle Atlantic", which would be assumed to absorb D.C, has a rate
> of
> 5.1, I think it would suggest its influence overall would be very
> limited, when brought into an entire region
You don't have to assume. If you do the numbers, you find that the
average for all the southern states, excluding DC, is 6.5, just
slighlty lower than the 6.6 you get if you include DC. Which you
should because it's a southern city.
> > > That's the odd thing about statistics, they so often fly in the face
> > > of rhetoric, whether on issues of violent crime or dependence on
> > > federal spending.
> >
> .
>
> > That's the odd thing about LIARS. They ALWAYS lie.....
>
> You mean the linked table I provided which broke out all of the
> details as offered by the FBI? I guess next time I should use the
> FoxNews standard and just pull "facts" out of thin air?
>
>
> >
> > A Lie of Ommission is STILL a lie...- Hide quoted text -
Patriot Games
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In the real world DC isn't part of the South, neither is Maryland or
Delaware.
Subtract DC and MD and DE and see what you get....
And note also that the FBI included what the real-world considers to be the
Midwest in with the South...
The FBI tweaked its presentation of the statistics to HIDE the fact that its
actually Northern URBAN areas where most crime is committed.
Patriot Games
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> understanding, shall we?
> Here's the info the table you cite (from the link I provided) states
> for Alabama on 2005 murder and non-negligent homicide stat's:
> Metro Statistical Area 311
> Cities Outside Meto area 39
> Non metro counties 24
> Now, to those that don't understand statistics, this may lead you to
> conclude a huge difference between rural and metro Alabama, but let's
> go further.
> Here's the "metropolitan" breakdown of Alabama (the cite is for 2000
> stat's but the ratios should be relatively the same for overall
> population. Also note just how small some of cities are that are
> lumped into the category of "metropolitan"):
> Metropolitan Area Population
> Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman CSA 1,170,012
> Mobile-Daphne-Fairhope CSA 567,625
> Montgomery MSA 397,961
> Huntsville MSA 368,661
> Tuscaloosa MSA 196,885
> Decatur MSA 149,629
> Florence-Muscle Shoals MSA 142,950
> Dothan MSA 136,594
> Auburn-Opelika MSA 123,254
> Anniston-Oxford MSA 112,240
> Gadsden MSA 104,000
> Total "Metropolitan" population of Alabama: 3,469,811
> Total population of Alabama: 4,447,100
> source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama
> Percent of Alabama's population represented by "metropolitan"
> population: 78%
> Percent of Alabama's murder rate represented by "metropolitan"
> population: 83%
You're claiming that the FBI uses Wikipedia's metropolitian breakdown of
Alabama??
> Yep, that's right, you are basing you bold claim that all murder...
Who said "all murder?" YOU DID. Not me.
> Class Dismissed
Yes, you've been busted.
tom...@aol.com
>
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Patriot Games
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> On Apr 6, 7:28 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
>> news:hugh_gibbons-A4DE...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> > In article <yWOQh.3653$jZ3.2246@trnddc06>,
>> The FBI tweaked its presentation of the statistics to HIDE the fact that
>> its
> Here's the raking of cities from safest to most dangerous, according
> to FBI statistics (Notice How citieis in Northern and "Blue" states
> dominate the top "safest" half of the list, while cities in Southern
> and "Red" states dominate the bottom "most dangerours" half)
What I notice is that cities at the TOP are TINY, and UNSAFE cities at the
bottom are BIG URBAN CITIES.
What I notice are these cities YOU claim are Northern and Blue are
considered SOUTH by the FBI: 8, 10, 13, 18, 19, 20, 33, 41, 48, 49, 61, 64,
69, 81, 83, 97...
Are you having trouble keeping your LIES straight?
> 1. Brick, N.J.
> 2. Amherst, N.Y.
> 3. Mission Viejo, Calif.
> 4. Newton, Mass.
> 5. Troy, Mich.
> 6. Colonie, N.Y.
> 7. Irvine, Calif.
> 8. Cary, N.C.
> 9. Greece, N.Y.
> 10. Coral Springs, Fla.
> 11. Thousand Oaks, Calif.
> 12. Orem, Utah
> 13. Round Rock, Texas
> 14. Dover, N.J.
> 15. Lake Forest, Calif.
> 16. Sterling Heights, Mich.
> 17. Simi Valley, Calif.
> 18. Roswell, Ga.
> 19. Lee's Summit, Mo.
> 20. Broken Arrow, Okla.
> 21. Chino Hills, Calif.
> 22. Gilbert, Ariz.
> 23. Edison, N.J.
> 24. Cranston, R.I.
> 25. Port St. Lucie, Fla.
> 26. Sandy, Utah
> 27. Nashua, N.H.
> 28. Danbury, Conn.
> 29. Huntington Beach, Calif.
> 30. Orange, Calif.
> 31. Hamilton, N.J.
> 32. Parma, Ohio
> 33. Overland Park, Kan.
> 34. Santa Clarita, Calif.
> 35. Stamford, Conn.
> 36. Cheektowaga, N.Y.
> 37. Livonia, Mich.
> 38. Sunnyvale, Calif.
> 39. Murrieta, Calif.
> 40. Canton, Mich.
> 41. Plano, Texas
> 42. Warwick, R.I.
> 43. Torrance, Calif.
> 44. Clifton, N.J.
> 44. Newport Beach, Calif.
> 46. Woodbridge, N.J.
> 47. Fargo, N.D.
> 48. Norman, Okla.
> 49. Olathe, Kan.
> 50. Boca Raton, Fla.
> 51. Livermore, Calif.
> 52. Centennial, Colo.
> 53. Fremont, Calif.
> 54. Clinton, Mich.
> 55. Vacaville, Calif.
> 56. Tracy, Calif.
> 57. Bellevue, Wash.
> 58. Carlsbad, Calif.
> 59. Pembroke Pines, Fla.
> 60. Farmington Hills, Mich.
> 61. Richardson, Texas
> 62. Rancho Cucamon., Calif.
> 63. Boulder, Colo.
> 64. McKinney, Texas
> 65. Rochester, Minn.
> 66. Beaverton, Ore.
> 67. Santa Clara, Calif.
> 68. Daly City, Calif.
> 69. Lewisville, Texas
> 70. Napa, Calif.
> 71. Burbank, Calif.
> 72. Arvada, Colo.
> 73. Alexandria, Va.
> 74. Virginia Beach
> 75. Ann Arbor, Mich.
> 76. Quincy, Mass.
> 77. Glendale, Calif.
> 78. Ventura, Calif.
> 79. Provo, Utah
> 80. Fullerton, Calif.
> 81. Lawrence, Kan.
> 82. Scottsdale, Ariz.
> 83. Carrollton, Texas
> 84. Hillsboro, Ore.
> 85. Somerville, Mass.
> 86. Kenosha, Wis.
> 87. Davie, Fla.
> 88. Chino, Calif.
> 89. Sunrise, Fla.
> 90. Cape Coral, Fla.
> 91. Henderson, Nev.
> 92. Billings, Mont.
> 93. Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> 94. Plantation, Fla.
> 95. Costa Mesa, Calif.
> 96. San Mateo, Calif.
> 97. Garland, Texas
> 98. Madison, Wis.
> 99. Corona, Calif.
> 100. Clovis, Calif.
> 101. Yonkers, N.Y.
> 102. Alhambra, Calif.
> 103. Buena Park, Calif.
> 104. Odessa, Texas
> 105. Chandler, Ariz.
> 106. Norwalk, Conn.
> 107. Upper Darby, Pa.
> 108. Peoria, Ariz.
> 109. Westminster, Calif.
> 110. Roseville, Calif.
> 111. Lakewood, Calif.
> 112. San Jose, Calif.
> 113. Honolulu, Hawaii
> 114. El Paso
> 115. Santa Barbara, Calif.
> 116. Temecula, Calif.
> 117. Cambridge, Mass.
> 118. Pasadena, Texas
> 119. Brownsville, Texas
> 120. Boise
> 121. Garden Grove, Calif.
> 122. Mesquite, Texas
> 123. Westminster, Colo.
> 124. Manchester, N.H.
> 125. Whittier, Calif.
> 126. Westland, Mich.
> 127. McAllen, Texas
> 128. Lincoln, Neb.
> 129. Pasadena, Calif.
> 130. Columbia, Mo.
> 131. Midland, Texas
> 132. Chesapeake, Va.
> 133. Santa Rosa, Calif.
> 134. Spokane Valley, Wash.
> 135. Anaheim, Calif.
> 136. Athens-Clarke, Ga.
> 137. Green Bay, Wis.
> 138. Irving, Texas
> 139. Fort Collins, Colo.
> 140. Escondido, Calif.
> 141. Miramar, Fla.
> 142. Concord, Calif.
> 143. West Covina, Calif.
> 144. Hampton, Va.
> 145. New York City
> 146. Denton, Texas
> 147. Palm Bay, Fla.
> 148. Sioux City, Iowa
> 149. Sioux Falls, S.D.
> 150. Thornton, Colo.
> 151. Salem, Ore.
> 152. Hialeah, Fla.
> 153. Baldwin Park, Calif.
> 154. Erie, Pa.
> 155. San Angelo, Texas
> 156. Oxnard, Calif.
> 157. Oceanside, Calif.
> 158. Austin, Texas
> 159. Evansville, Ind.
> 160. Lakeland, Fla.
> 161. Laredo, Texas
> 162. Raleigh, N.C.
> 163. El Monte, Calif.
> 164. Waterbury, Conn.
> 165. Vista, Calif.
> 166. Murfreesboro, Tenn.
> 167. Fontana, Calif.
> 168. Grand Prairie, Texas
> 169. Fort Wayne, Ind.
> 170. Santa Ana, Calif.
> 171. Santa Monica, Calif.
> 172. Lexington, Ky.
> 173. Colorado Springs
> 174. Suffolk, Va.
> 175. Hollywood, Fla.
> 176. Eugene, Ore.
> 177. Norwalk, Calif.
> 178. Santa Maria, Calif.
> 179. Downey, Calif.
> 180. Abilene, Texas
> 181. Chula Vista, Calif.
> 182. Ogden, Utah
> 183. Melbourne, Fla.
> 184. Clarksville, Tenn.
> 185. Sparks, Nev.
> 186. San Diego, Calif.
> 187. Carson, Calif.
> 188. Vancouver, Wash.
> 189. Greeley, Colo.
> 190. Springfield, Mo.
> 191. Mesa, Ariz.
> 192. Moreno Valley, Calif.
> 193. Tyler, Texas
> 194. Dearborn, Mich.
> 195. Des Moines
> 196. Lowell, Mass.
> 197. San Antonio
> 198. Corpus Christi, Texas
> 199. El Cajon, Calif.
> 200. Salinas, Calif.
> 201. Fairfield, Calif.
> 202. Lakewood, Colo.
> 203. Redding, Calif.
> 204. Ontario, Calif.
> 205. South Gate, Calif.
> 206. Topeka, Kan.
> 207. Arlington, Texas
> 208. Lawton, Okla.
> 209. Riverside, Calif.
> 210. Antioch, Calif.
> 211. Long Beach, Calif.
> 212. Anchorage
> 213. West Valley, Utah
> 214. Hawthorne, Calif.
> 215. Yuma, Ariz.
> 216. Louisville
> 217. Omaha
> 218. Clearwater, Fla.
> 219. Independence, Mo.
> 220. Spokane, Wash.
> 221. Reno
> 222. Grand Rapids, Mich.
> 223. Pueblo, Colo.
> 224. Hayward, Calif.
> 225. Tuscaloosa, Ala.
> 226. Berkeley, Calif.
> 227. Las Cruces, N.M.
> 228. Mobile, Ala.
> 229. Worcester, Mass.
> 230. Palmdale, Calif.
> 231. Modesto, Calif.
> 232. Wichita Falls, Texas
> 233. Lubbock, Texas
> 234. San Leandro, Calif.
> 235. Amarillo, Texas
> 236. Bakersfield, Calif.
> 237. Columbus, Ga.
> 238. Gainesville, Fla.
> 239. Gresham, Ore.
> 240. Charleston, S.C.
> 241. Tempe, Ariz.
> 242. Lynn, Mass.
> 243. Lafayette, La.
> 244. Newport News, Va.
> 245. High Point, N.C.
> 246. Fort Worth
> 247. Salt Lake City, Utah
> 248. Jacksonville, Fla.
> 249. Portland, Ore.
> 250. Los Angeles
> 251. Victorville, Calif.
> 252. Bellflower, Calif.
> 253. Glendale, Ariz.
> 254. New Bedford, Mass.
> 255. Pomona, Calif.
> 256. Racine, Wis.
> 257. Aurora, Colo.
> 258. Elizabeth, N.J.
> 259. Rialto, Calif.
> 260. Savannah, Ga.
> 261. Paterson, N.J.
> 262. Seattle
> 263. Albany, Ga.
> 264. Southfield, Mich.
> 265. Lancaster, Calif.
> 266. Waco, Texas
> 267. Fresno, Calif.
> 268. Killeen, Texas
> 269. Greensboro, N.C.
> 270. San Francisco
> 271. Fort Lauderdale
> 272. Durham, N.C.
> 273. Fort Smith, Ark.
> 274. Tallahassee, Fla.
> 275. South Bend, Ind.
> 276. Lansing, Mich.
> 277. Federal Way, Wash.
> 278. Huntsville, Ala.
> 279. Albuquerque
> 280. Visalia, Calif.
> 281. Winston-Salem, N.C
> 282. Providence
> 283. Everett, Wash.
> 284. Davenport, Iowa
> 285. Hammond, Ind.
> 286. Roanoke, Va.
> 287. Norfolk, Va.
> 288. Fayetteville, N.C.
> 289. Kent, Wash.
> 290. Akron, Ohio
> 291. St. Paul
> 292. Wilmington, N.C.
> 293. Portsmouth, Va.
> 294. Oklahoma City
> 295. Columbia, S.C.
> 296. Canton, Ohio
> 297. Knoxville, Tenn.
> 298. Montgomery, Ala.
> 299. Allentown, Pa.
> 300. North Las Vegas, Nev.
> 301. Beaumont, Texas
> 302. Las Vegas, Nev.
> 303. Denver
> 304. Yakima, Wash.
> 305. Syracuse, N.Y.
> 306. Longview, Texas
> 307. Pittsburgh
> 308. Tucson
> 309. Bridgeport, Conn.
> 310. Inglewood, Calif.
> 311. Pompano Beach, Fla.
> 312. Albany, N.Y.
> 313. Phoenix
> 314. Boston
> 315. Chattanooga, Tenn.
> 316. Tampa
> 317. Jersey City
> 318. Milwaukee
> 319. Miami Beach
> 320. Indianapolis, Ind.
> 321. Shreveport, La.
> 322. Sacramento
> 323. St. Petersburg, Fla.
> 324. Tacoma, Wash.
> 325. Houston
> 326. Columbus, Ohio
> 327. Miami
> 328. Baton Rouge
> 329. Charlotte
> 330. Jackson, Miss.
> 331. Toledo, Ohio
> 332. Macon, Ga.
> 333. Nashville
> 334. Rochester, N.Y.
> 335. Tulsa
> 336. Stockton, Calif.
> 337. Hartford, Conn.
> 338. Dallas
> 339. Miami Gardens, Fla.
> 340. Buffalo
> 341. Springfield, Mass.
> 342. Kansas City, Kan.
> 343. Philadelphia
> 344. West Palm Beach, Fla.
> 345. Minneapolis
> 346. Dayton, Ohio
> 347. Orlando
> 348. San Bernardino, Calif.
> 349. Little Rock
> 350. Newark, N.J.
> 351. Reading, Pa.
> 352. North Charleston, S.C.
> 353. Washington
> 354. Cincinnati
> 355. Atlanta
> 356. Kansas City, Mo.
> 357. Richmond, Va.
> 358. Trenton, N.J.
> 359. Memphis
> 360. Baltimore
> 361. Richmond, Calif.
> 362. Gary, Ind.
> 363. Youngstown, Ohio
> 364. Oakland
> 365. Cleveland
> 366. Birmingham, Ala.
> 367. Camden, N.J.
> 368. Compton, Calif.
> 369. Flint, Mich.
> 370. Detroit
> 371. St. Louis
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-30-city-crime-list_x.htm
Feel free to match your cities with ACTUAL FBI DATA......
Patriot Games
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If you have to LIE to make a point you don't have a point.
>> > Class Dismissed
>> Yes, you've been busted.
> (As PG retreats, once again, into fantasy, while forgetting that
> readers chan simply scroll upwards and read what is being referenced)
> It's O.K. PG, we understand!
Yes, you've been busted.
guybann...@aol.com
By Heather Mac Donald
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
*************************************************************************
PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:
"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.City-Journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
www.PredatoryAliens.com
www.ImmigrationsHumanCost.org
www.DayLaborers.org
www.Alipac.us
www.ImmigrationWatchdog.com
www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.EscapingJustice.com
www.MothersAgainstIllegalAliens.org
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.ImmigrationCounters.com
---------------------------------------------
"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")
-- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across
the USA (Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be"
a member)
---------------------------------------------
"How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico"
By John Dillin
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html
Excerpt:
"General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
highlighting one paragraph that said: 'The rise in illegal border-
crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
Government ..."
"Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he
took office.
"America 'was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very
large scale,' Mr. Brownell said. 'When I say large scale, I mean
hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without
restraint.'"
--------------------------------------------------
Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.DeputyDavidMarch.com
www.KrisEggle.org
"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are
engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social
Security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without
licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the
majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and
hide their illegal status. In addition, violent crime and drug
distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens.
Over 25% of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In
some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34%
of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."
-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the
House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note:
99% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds
of
men."
-- Samuel Adams
""All great truths begin as heresies."
-- Former Democrat Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, official of
Defend Colorado Now, a movement opposed to illegal immigration
and public services for illegal aliens
On April 1, 2007 Ern...@quetimp.rta wrote, in response to my prank
"April Fool's" post reporting on Google's hilarious "TiSP" free-
broadband-via-plumbing hoax:
"TiSP is for everyone. Read the website yourself. This service is
for
everyone who owns a TOILET. You may not own one, but that is your
problem,
since you live out in the woods.
TiSP = Toilet Internet Service Provider. "
Hugh Gibbons
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
> In the real world DC isn't part of the South, neither is Maryland or
> Delaware.
>
> Subtract DC and MD and DE and see what you get....
>
> And note also that the FBI included what the real-world considers to be the
> Midwest in with the South...
>
> The FBI tweaked its presentation of the statistics to HIDE the fact that its
> actually Northern URBAN areas where most crime is committed.
You're totally delusional. The District of Columbia is and always was
part of the South. They carved it out of Virginia and Maryland, two
southern states.
But because of its special status as a Federal district, I went to the
trouble of calculating for you the difference that DC makes in the
"South" regional statistic. 6.5% without DC as compared to 6.6% with,
and still higher than any other region.
So you say the South shouldn't include Maryland and Delaware. I expect
Marylanders, at least, would be very surprised at this assertion.
If you did, along with the District, now you're at 6.3%.
Any way you carve up the map, it's still true that most of the murders
happen in the south.
Hugh Gibbons
tom...@aol.com wrote:
> ......
>
> > What I notice is that cities at the TOP are TINY, and UNSAFE cities at the
> > bottom are BIG URBAN CITIES.
>
> So, by this logic #7 Irvine, CA (pop: 202,050) would be more dangerous
> than #369 Flint, MI (pop: 118,551) and #145 New York City, NY (pop:
> 8,143,198) would unquestionably come in as less safe than little ol'
> #366 Birmingham, AL (pop: 231,483). But then, that's just not the
> what the stat's show, is it PG?
>
> >
> > What I notice are these cities YOU claim are Northern and Blue are
> > considered SOUTH by the FBI: 8, 10, 13, 18, 19, 20, 33, 41, 48, 49, 61, 64,
> > 69, 81, 83, 97...
> >
>
> What I claimed was that the top (safest) half was dominated by
> Northern and Blue state-based cities, while the bottom (most
> dangerous) half was dominated by Southern and Red-state-based
> citiies. The fact you had to dip all the way down to #8 just to find
> a Red-state example in the plus column speaks for itself (quite
> humorously, I might add).
>
The northeastern states have obviously learned how to do what Southern
states still can't do: make a big city safe.
gen...@gmail.com
> > >> In article <1175704171.069791.280...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> > >>> On Apr 3, 10:12 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> In article <1175654867.784356.79...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > >>>> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> > >>>>> On Apr 3, 7:25 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > >>>>>> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
> > >>>>>>> By Region
> > >>>>>>> South 6.6
> > >>>>>>> West 5.8
> > >>>>>>> Mid-West 4.9
> > >>>>>>> Northeast 4.4
> > >>>>>>> U.S. Average 5.6
> > >>>>>>>http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
> > >>>>>>> Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
> > >>>>>>> (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
> > >>>>>>> them out on this.
> > >>>>>> Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
> > >>>>> While Louisiana's 9.9 rating certainly weighted the figures, New
> > >>>>> Orlean's wouldn't have been a factor in the 8.2 rating of Alabama or
> > >>>>> the 7.3 rating for Mississippi. Shoot, if it wasn't for the 5.0
> > >>>>> rating of comparatively liberal states like Florida, the South's
> > >>>>> stat's would be a lot worse than a 6.6 average.
> > >>>>> of rhetoric, whether on issues of violent crime or dependence on
> > >>>>> federal spending.
> > >>>> The statistics don't assign cause. You are the only one doing that.
> > >>> Actually, I am doing nothing of the sort. I am simply noting the fact
> > >>> that statistics for the "South" show that it out-ranks all other
> > >>> regions for murder rate.
> > >>> I assign no cause at all. My reason for mentioning this fact is in
> > >>> response to the regular bombardment from right wing media sources of
> > >>> suggestions that more "liberal" regions are more crime-ridden,
>
> > > ...
>
> > >> I haven't seen these suggestions. Where--who?
>
> > > Primarily AM Radio, though also in print which both find their way
> > > into Usenet as "fact". The first use was to deminish the sacrifice
> > > of our troops by suggesting people were more likely to die in
> > > "California" than Iraq or that Detroit was more dangerous than
> > > Baghdad. Of course, both of these completely B.S. facts were based on
> > > totally distorted use of facts and both also carefully avoided the use
> > > of far more dangerous places in "conservative" regions of the country,
> > > because they were trying to perpetuate two myths at the same time.
>
> > > Racists also love to provide facts that "black" are more violent,
> > > while carefully avoiding stat's that, again, point to their own
> > > favored terrain.
>
> > > Regardless, the specific example that prompted my post was another
> > > post in this same distribution that went under the header:
> > > "Report Shows Most Dangerous American States = Most Illegal-Alien-
> > > Bloated American States "
> > > Which chose to focus on Los Angeles, while linking an article that was
> > > actually based on Red-States Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona. This, of
> > > course, produced the obligatory responses blaming liberal America and
> > > implying that California is to blame for its horrible crime rate (not
> > > realizing how much safer California is than are so many "conservative"
> > > states.)
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/56a76c3a2...
> > >http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102714/The-Most-Dangerou...
>
> > > Ironically, I totally agree with the argument that illegal imigration
> > > is a huge problem and adds enormously to the crime rate. My only
> > > point would be that, for California to absorb such a disproportionate
> > > amount of potential criminals and still remain far safer than most
> > > "conservative" states, is hardly an indictment of "liberalism".
>
> ...
>
> > That is a misleading application of 'safer'. Murder is not the
> > only factor in determining relative security.
>
> This is the heart of the matter for sure.
>
> So long as that is clarified in the statements being made. I
> distinguished my own statement around murder and non-neglegent
> homicide stat's, and others will chose stat's that include things like
> theft or assault. Obviously different outcomes will result from
> different packaging of these stat's.
>
>
>
> > It appears that illegal alien crime, aside from the initial
> > crime of entering the US illegally, includes the categories
> > of assault, robbery and drunken driving. Alien drunken driving
> > for example, kills hundreds of Americans each year.
>
> > Then there is the disease factor.
>
> > Anywhere illegal aliens gather, there are increases in driving deaths
> > and injuries, disease, prostitution, assault, robbery and rape.
>
> > Want to be safe? Avoid living near blacks and illegal aliens.
>
> Where the statistics corraborate that, I have no issue with stating
> it. My point is merely that, when statements are made to
> intentionally slant the issue into a Blue vs Red state issue, the
> argument is opened to equally damning statististics slanted the other
> way.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > It's a typical example of how "conservatives" have undermined the very
> > > principles they pretend to espouse, as they sacrifice reality for
> > > political expedience.
>
> > > It's a truly sad trend, as I truly liked conservatives, back when
> > > there actually were some.
>
> > >> Now, as to whether "liberal" regions are more crime-ridden, and this is
> > >> self-demonstrating:
>
> > >> Just look at the tax rates.
>
> > >> --
> > >> NeoLibertarian
>
> > >> "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people,
> > >> and therefore deprive them of their arms."
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I'm not sure whether that's true proportional to population, though it
probably is in raw numbers.
What I am sure of is that Texas leads the nation in is producing
disasterously bad Presidents (LBJ, Bush Sr, Bush Jr), none of whom has
ever won the nation's popular vote more than once.
Governor Swill
<hugh_g...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
>But because of its special status as a Federal district, I went to the
>trouble of calculating for you the difference that DC makes in the
>"South" regional statistic. 6.5% without DC as compared to 6.6% with,
>and still higher than any other region.
>
>So you say the South shouldn't include Maryland and Delaware. I expect
>Marylanders, at least, would be very surprised at this assertion.
Why? Neither state seceded and Virginia has always been the
northernmost of the southern states. Maryland and Delaware are
considered middle or northern atlantic states.
I don't recall any grouping which makes Maryland so Delaware southern
states.
Swill
Phlip
> I don't recall any grouping which makes Maryland so Delaware southern
> states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_line
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
tom...@aol.com
> On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:00:43 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
>
> >But because of its special status as a Federal district, I went to the
> >trouble of calculating for you the difference that DC makes in the
> >"South" regional statistic. 6.5% without DC as compared to 6.6% with,
> >and still higher than any other region.
>
> >So you say the South shouldn't include Maryland and Delaware. I expect
> >Marylanders, at least, would be very surprised at this assertion.
>
> Why? Neither state seceded and Virginia has always been the
> northernmost of the southern states. Maryland and Delaware are
> considered middle or northern atlantic states.
>
> I don't recall any grouping which makes Maryland so Delaware southern
> states.
The Old South:
"The Southern Colonies were Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina,
Delaware, South Carolina, and Georgia"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_South#Geographic_usage
Maryland and Delaware were also slave states prior to the Civil War.
The reason they did not seceed from the Union when the confederacy was
formed was largely due to the proactive efforts of Lincoln, who, not
wanting to see the nationa's capitol surrounded by the Confederacy,
had a large number of key Confederate sympathizers arrested, including
many in the state legislature who could have voted for secession.
Many from Maryland and Delaware joined the Confederacy despite their
state having retained allegience to the U.S. Ironically, because they
did not seceed, the "Emancipation Proclamation" did not apply to
Maryland and Delaware, resulting in their being able to continue
slavery beyond the time it was declared illegal for states that had
joined the Confederacy.
>
> Swill
Governor Swill
>Governor Swill wrote:
>
>> I don't recall any grouping which makes Maryland so Delaware southern
>> states.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_line
Thank you. So, that leaves Delaware as a northern state.
Swill
Hugh Gibbons
Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Read more carefully.
tom...@aol.com
> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:05:36 GMT, "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Governor Swill wrote:
>
> >> I don't recall any grouping which makes Maryland so Delaware southern
> >> states.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_line
>
> Thank you. So, that leaves Delaware as a northern state.
>
Only if you ignore my response to your post, which covered the fact
that both Maryland and Delaware were part of the "Old South", which
was used to describe those states formed out of the "Southern"
Colonies.
Both were also slave-holding states going into the Civil War. While I
don't believe Lincoln's arrest of Confederate sympathizers in the
legislature had as much impact in Delaware's decision not to seceed as
it did in the case of Maryland, Delaware's decision not to abandon the
Constitution was likely rooted in their sentiment as having been the
first state to ratify it in 1787. Though it staid in the Union
Delaware voted against the 13th amendment. Delaware would also follow
the rest of the South's traditions regarding Jim Crow laws and
segregation right up until integration was mandated at the federal
level in the 50s. It consistently voted withe the rest of the South
in national elections until 1992 (though that year, the southern vote
was split).
> Swill
tom...@aol.com
wrote:
> In article <9i7j135840duege7ahfct6ts2i8d9u3...@4ax.com>,
> Governor Swill <governor.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:05:36 GMT, "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >Governor Swill wrote:
>
> > >> I don't recall any grouping which makes Maryland so Delaware southern
> > >> states.
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_line
>
> > Thank you. So, that leaves Delaware as a northern state.
>
> > Swill
>
> Read more carefully.
What's silly about this "Delaware is a northen state" argument, is the
fact that Delaware has a murder rate of only 4.4 per 100,000, meaning
it is two full points UNDER the murder rate of the "the South". So
how exactly is it negatively impacting their stat's?
Even the argument that D.C. and Baltimore sway the stat's of the south
is ridiculous when you consider the fact that Birmingham is considered
more dangerous than Baltimore and Memphis, Richmond and Atlanta all
come in as more dangerous than Washington D.C.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-30-city-crime-list_x.htm
Why is it Southerners have such trouble accepting the fact they live
in the most violent region in the country? Could it be they have
simply been spoon-fed lies about the rest of America in an effort to
make them feel better about their situation? Perhaps from the same
sources that pretend the "conservative" South is not the region that
is most dependent on federal spending for it's economic survival?
tom...@aol.com
<guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> "The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave"
As the Republi-shills move into "delete-and-paste" mode in full
retreat from the facts, I thought I would toss them
one last bone out of generosity regarding thier contention that
certain areas should not have been considered
part of the "South". As the qualification for being "Southern" has
obviously become more about being a good Republican
than being "Southern" (Judging by their desire to toss out states that
were part of the "Old South" in favor of ones that
weren't even part of the United States until 1845), I'll remove all of
the states that aren't part of the "Real" South.
After getting rid of Maryland, D.C. and Delaware, doing away with
Louisiana goes without question. Florida's near-derailing
of Bush's 2000 election as well as their recent humiliation of
Katherine Harris takes them off the list. Kentucky can't be on the
list for the same "border state" reasons as Maryland. We'll forgive
Tennessee because they turned on their native son to get
Bush elected in 2000 and we'll forgive Texas for LBJ's CRA of '64 for
providing the Bushes. Arkansas "Clinton" period seems
to have been put in the past with removal of Bill Clinton's law
license and the election of Huckabee. Soooo here's what's left.
The REAL South (and corresponding murder rate)
*note that the "South" defined by the FBI had a murder rate of 6.6
Georgia: 6.2
N. Carolina: 6.7
S. Carolina: 7.4
Virginia: 6.1
Alabama: 8.2
Mississippi: 7.3
Tennessee: 7.2
Arkansas: 6.7
Texas: 6.2
Now I'll just sit here and wait for a Republi-shill to explain to me
how the
above states will average out to a rate lower than that of the next
highest region
* The West, which comes in at 5.8
>
> By Heather Mac Donaldhttp://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
>
> *************************************************************************
> PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:
>
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>
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> See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:www.ImmigrationCounters.com
> ---------------------------------------------
> "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
> ("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")
>
> -- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
> organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across
> the USA (Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be"
> a member)
> ---------------------------------------------
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> By John Dillinhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html
> On April 1, 2007 Erne...@quetimp.rta wrote, in response to my prank
Patriot Games
news:1175887138.2...@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>than #369 Flint, MI (pop: 118,551) and #145 New York City, NY (pop:
>8,143,198) would unquestionably come in as less safe than little ol'
>#366 Birmingham, AL (pop: 231,483). But then, that's just not the
>what the stat's show, is it PG?
What logic? What stats?
Your USA Today Ranking says #7 is safer than #369.
The FBI says URBAN crime is rising and non-urban crime isn't:
California - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 186,982
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,240
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,956
Michigan - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 51,662
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,443
Nonmetropolitan counties 2,434
According to the above URBAN crime is rampant in both while non-urban crime
is only a fraction of total violent crime. Where are the actual crime stats
for Irvine, CA, and Flint, MI????
Of course its stupid to compare NYC to Birmingham.
Alabama - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 14,466
Cities outside metropolitan areas 2,208
Nonmetropolitan counties 937
New York - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 82,052
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,518
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,773
According to the above the Northern state of NY is more violent than AL, and
obviously URBAN crime is rampant in both while non-urban crime is only a
fraction of total violent crime.
This suggests the NORTH is MORE VIOLENT than the South.
>> What I notice are these cities YOU claim are Northern and Blue are
>> considered SOUTH by the FBI: 8, 10, 13, 18, 19, 20, 33, 41, 48, 49, 61,
>> 64,
>> 69, 81, 83, 97...
>What I claimed was that the top (safest) half was dominated by
>Northern and Blue state-based cities, while the bottom (most
>dangerous) half was dominated by Southern and Red-state-based
>citiies.
But your claim is NOT supported by fact. Northern NY is more violent than
Southern AL. And OBVIOULSY Red vs. Blue is entirely IRRELEVANT because its
CLEAR that URBAN crime blows away non-urban crime EVERYWHERE.
>The fact you had to dip all the way down to #8 just to find
>a Red-state example in the plus column speaks for itself (quite
>humorously, I might add).
Let's see:
1. Brick, N.J.
New Jersey - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 30,919
Cities outside metropolitan areas (not reported)
Nonmetropolitan counties (not reported)
2. Amherst, N.Y.
New York - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 82,052
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,518
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,773
3. Mission Viejo, Calif.
California - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 186,982
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,240
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,956
4. Newton, Mass.
Massachusetts - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 28,676
Cities outside metropolitan areas 87
Nonmetropolitan counties 0
5. Troy, Mich.
Michigan - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 51,662
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,443
Nonmetropolitan counties 2,434
6. Colonie, N.Y.
New York - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 82,052
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,518
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,773
7. Irvine, Calif.
California - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 186,982
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,240
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,956
8. Cary, N.C.
North Carolina - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 30,298
Cities outside metropolitan areas 5,237
Nonmetropolitan counties 4,270
9. Greece, N.Y.
New York - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 82,052
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,518
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,773
10. Coral Springs, Fla.
Florida - Violent Crime
Metropolitan Statistical Area 119,621
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,993
Nonmetropolitan counties 4,264
From the above:
- CA is far more violent than even NY,
- Southern NC is LESS violent than EVERY Blue State,
- Southern NC is LESS violent than ALL Northern States,
- Southern (Red) FL is LESS violent than Western (Blue) CA,
- URBAN Crime is rampant,
- Non-urban crime is minor,
- Red vs. Blue is irrelevant,
- North vs South is almost irrelevant.
In your RUSH to LIE about crime and the South you apparently missed most of
the RELEVANT data the FBI posted. (I'm not surprised that when confronted
your instant reaction was to quote NOT from actual FBI statistics but from a
newspaper article that is OBVIOUSLY FLAWED - Note that #1, Brick, NJ, DID
NOT REPORT non-urban crime.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html
You missed Urban vs. Non-urban Crime:
Violent Crime
METROPOLITAN COUNTIES
100,000 and over +2.7
25,000 to 99,999 +1.6
Under 25,000 -0.2
NONMETROPOLITAN COUNTIES
25,000 and over +2.4
10,000 to 24,999 +1.9
Under 10,000 -1.8
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_14.html
Clearly, when Red vs. Blue is IGNORED, and when North vs. South is IGNORED,
RURAL areas are the ONLY areas showing a DECREASE in crime.
You also missed Table 12, Crime Trends by Population Group:
Violent Crime
TOTAL CITIES +2.6
GROUP I (all cities 250,000 and over) +3.2
GROUP II (100,000 to 249,999) +3.7
GROUP III (50,000 to 99,999) +1.4
GROUP IV (25,000 to 49,999) +2.5
GROUP V (10,000 to 24,999) +0.3
GROUP VI (under 10,000) +1.2
METROPOLITAN COUNTIES +2.3
NONMETROPOLITAN COUNTIES +1.5
SUBURBAN AREA +1.9
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_12.html
This CLEARLY shows there IS NO Red-Blue significance, there IS NO
North-South significance (given the FBI's unusual regionalization); and
CLEARLY SHOWS that URBAN crime is out of control and RURAL crime IS NOT.
>> Are you having trouble keeping your LIES straight?
I repeat. Next time FINISH YOUR HOMEWORK.
Next time TRY NOT TO LIE.
Patriot Games
> The northeastern states have obviously learned how to do what Southern
> states still can't do: make a big city safe.
The FBI says you're wrong.
Patriot Games
You're wrong. The Census Bureau considers that part of the South. The OMB
considers the South to be: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi,
North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee.
> But because of its special status as a Federal district, I went to the
> trouble of calculating for you the difference that DC makes in the
> "South" regional statistic. 6.5% without DC as compared to 6.6% with,
> and still higher than any other region.
> So you say the South shouldn't include Maryland and Delaware. I expect
> Marylanders, at least, would be very surprised at this assertion.
> If you did, along with the District, now you're at 6.3%.
> Any way you carve up the map, it's still true that most of the murders
> happen in the south.
Go to the FBI site, do more homework, because YOU ARE WRONG.
Patriot Games
news:1175888308.4...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> "metropolitan" Alabama, by all means present it.
I already did.
>> >> > Yep, that's right, you are basing you bold claim that all murder...
>> >> Who said "all murder?" YOU DID. Not me.
>> Who said "all murder?" YOU DID. Not me.
> The source of this discussion (Note Header) is murder rate. Just how
> far do you want to splice down the verbiage of our discussion to try
> to find something you can claim victory on? Your first retort of this
> discussion (again, note header) was that "ALL NON-URBAN areas have the
> lowest crime rates"
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/8c03bd4a3d227b1a?dmode=source&hl=en
> I have resoundingly proven this statement (yours) to be false.
> You invited the embarassing statistical analysis by using stat's of
> "Metroplitan" areas to try to make your ludicrous statement about
> "Urban" areas. So, which is it?
See my other most-recent post. Urban crime is UP everywhere. Non-urban
crime is NOT - everywhere. There is no significant difference between Red
and Blue. There is no significant difference between North and South (given
the smoothing the FBI chose).
The only thing you have done is to resoundingly FAIL to finish your homwork.
> Urban, or metropolitan? Is
> Birmingham Alabama (ranked 366th on the list) more "Urban" than New
> York City (ranked #145)? Is Flint Michigan (#369) more Urban than
> Irvine, CA (#7), which has almost twice it's population?
Where are your crime stats for these cities?
How can you compare a ranked list of cities WITHOUT knowing the stats?
tom...@aol.com
> "Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
>
> news:hugh_gibbons-25E2...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
> > The northeastern states have obviously learned how to do what Southern
> > states still can't do: make a big city safe.
>
...
> The FBI says you're wrong.
Oh really?
Rate of murder and non-negligent homicide
Birmingham, AL (pop 234,571) (incidences 104) (rate per 100,000 =
44.3)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
NYC, NY (pop 8,115,690) (incidences 539) (rate per 100,000 = 6.64)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ny.html
LA, CA (pop 3,871,077) (incidences 489) (rate per 100,000 = 12.63)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ca.html
Now how about that "Urban crime always exceeds rural crime" myth of
yours:
Tarrant City, AL (pop 6,833) (incidences 3) (rate per 100,000 = 43.9)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
Patriot Games
news:1176150121.0...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 9:56 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
>> news:hugh_gibbons-25E2...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> > The northeastern states have obviously learned how to do what Southern
>> > states still can't do: make a big city safe.
> Oh really?
> Rate of murder and non-negligent homicide
> Birmingham, AL (pop 234,571) (incidences 104) (rate per 100,000 =
> 44.3)
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
> NYC, NY (pop 8,115,690) (incidences 539) (rate per 100,000 = 6.64)
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ny.html
> LA, CA (pop 3,871,077) (incidences 489) (rate per 100,000 = 12.63)
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ca.html
> Now how about that "Urban crime always exceeds rural crime" myth of
> yours:
> Tarrant City, AL (pop 6,833) (incidences 3) (rate per 100,000 = 43.9)
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
You're cherry-picking cities.
I already posted Metro-v. Non-Metro stats.
I already posted Suburb v. non-suburb stats.
Its just a FACT that Rural crime rates are less than Suburban crime rates
and Suburban crime rates are less than Urban crime rates.
Patriot Games
news:1176138703.5...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> reference.
>> The FBI says URBAN crime is rising and non-urban crime isn't:
>> California - Violent Crime
>> Metropolitan Statistical Area 186,982
>> Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,240
>> Nonmetropolitan counties 1,956
> repeated attempts to use "METROPOLITAN" statistics to make statements
> about URBAN populations? As nearly 90% of the population lives in
> "Metropolitan" areas (which include townships of barely 100,000
> people), how does this serve your "URBAN Crime" argument?
See below. You seem to lack the ability to read to the end of a message.
Should I include "This Is The End Of The Message" so you know when to stop
reading?
Perhaps you're not reading to the end of the message because its too painful
to see your cherished fantasies and lies dashed?
Violent Crime
TOTAL CITIES +2.6
GROUP I (all cities 250,000 and over) +3.2
GROUP II (100,000 to 249,999) +3.7
GROUP III (50,000 to 99,999) +1.4
GROUP IV (25,000 to 49,999) +2.5
GROUP V (10,000 to 24,999) +0.3
GROUP VI (under 10,000) +1.2
METROPOLITAN COUNTIES +2.3
NONMETROPOLITAN COUNTIES +1.5
SUBURBAN AREA +1.9
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_12.html
> I'm still waiting for you to explain how Birmingham Alabama, which is
> a tiny fraction of the size and urbanization of New York City and Los
> Angeles, comes in a far more dangerous than them.
Which perception is more important to you, Per Capita Ratios or Total
Crimes?
Both URBAN crime areas vastly outrun their suburban and rural state rates,
north and south..
>> crime.http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html
>>
>> You missed Urban vs. Non-urban Crime:
>>
>> Violent Crime
>> METROPOLITAN COUNTIES
>> 100,000 and over +2.7
>> 25,000 to 99,999 +1.6
>> Under 25,000 -0.2
>>
>> NONMETROPOLITAN COUNTIES
>> 25,000 and over +2.4
>> 10,000 to 24,999 +1.9
>> Under 10,000 -1.8http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_14.html
>>
>> Clearly, when Red vs. Blue is IGNORED, and when North vs. South is
>> IGNORED,
>> RURAL areas are the ONLY areas showing a DECREASE in crime.
>>
>> You also missed Table 12, Crime Trends by Population Group:
>>
>> Violent Crime
>> TOTAL CITIES +2.6
>> GROUP I (all cities 250,000 and over) +3.2
>> GROUP II (100,000 to 249,999) +3.7
>> GROUP III (50,000 to 99,999) +1.4
>> GROUP IV (25,000 to 49,999) +2.5
>> GROUP V (10,000 to 24,999) +0.3
>> GROUP VI (under 10,000) +1.2
>> METROPOLITAN COUNTIES +2.3
>> NONMETROPOLITAN COUNTIES +1.5
>> SUBURBAN AREA +1.9http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_12.html
>>
>> This CLEARLY shows there IS NO Red-Blue significance, there IS NO
>> North-South significance (given the FBI's unusual regionalization); and
>> CLEARLY SHOWS that URBAN crime is out of control and RURAL crime IS NOT.
>>
>> >> Are you having trouble keeping your LIES straight?
>>
>> I repeat. Next time FINISH YOUR HOMEWORK.
>>
>> Next time TRY NOT TO LIE.- Hide quoted text -
Patriot Games
news:1176148634.3...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 10:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
>> news:hugh_gibbons-A73F...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> > In article <xOsRh.19$%l5.14@trnddc05>,
>> >> "Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:hugh_gibbons-A4DE...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> >> > In article <yWOQh.3653$jZ3.2246@trnddc06>,
> all:
> Rate of murder and non-negligent homicide
> Birmingham, AL (pop 234,571) (incidences 104) (rate per 100,000 =
> 44.3)
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ny.html
> LA, CA (pop 3,871,077) (incidences 489) (rate per 100,000 = 12.63)
> http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ca.html
You FAILED to support YOUR pathetic claim.
This is the South: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi,
North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee.
Re-arrange Table 4 to see where the REAL crime is.
Patriot Games
news:1176139022.1...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> > I have resoundingly proven this statement (yours) to be false.
>> > You invited the embarassing statistical analysis by using stat's of
>> > "Metroplitan" areas to try to make your ludicrous statement about
>> > "Urban" areas. So, which is it?
>> See my other most-recent post. Urban crime is UP everywhere. Non-urban
>> crime is NOT - everywhere. There is no significant difference between
>> Red
>> and Blue. There is no significant difference between North and South
>> (given
>> the smoothing the FBI chose).
>> The only thing you have done is to resoundingly FAIL to finish your
>> homwork.
>> > Urban, or metropolitan? Is
>> > Birmingham Alabama (ranked 366th on the list) more "Urban" than New
>> > York City (ranked #145)? Is Flint Michigan (#369) more Urban than
>> > Irvine, CA (#7), which has almost twice it's population?
>> Where are your crime stats for these cities?
>> How can you compare a ranked list of cities WITHOUT knowing the stats?
tom...@aol.com
>
> > I'm still waiting for you to explain how Birmingham Alabama, which is
> > a tiny fraction of the size and urbanization of New York City and Los
> > Angeles, comes in a far more dangerous than them.
>
> Which perception is more important to you, Per Capita Ratios or Total
> Crimes?
>
> Both URBAN crime areas vastly outrun their suburban and rural state rates,
> north and south..
New York City comes in significantly lower than the STATE AVERAGE for
Alabama and Mississippi. Just because the rural areas of those states
are slightly lower than Birmingham does not make them safer than New
York City.
You are using national stat's to try to salvage your long-lost
argument.
O.K. You've answered my question. You are retarded.
tom...@aol.com
....
> This is the South: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi,
> North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee.
Oh yeah, that's right. All REAL Southerners use the OMB to define
their status as Southerners (Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas must have
missed the memo). I should have known.
By the way. Even this pool of states would still lead the nation in
murder rate.
>
> Re-arrange Table 4 to see where the REAL crime is.- Hide quoted text -
Governor Swill
<Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>Alabama - Violent Crime
>Metropolitan Statistical Area 14,466
>Cities outside metropolitan areas 2,208
>Nonmetropolitan counties 937
>
>New York - Violent Crime
>Metropolitan Statistical Area 82,052
>Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,518
>Nonmetropolitan counties 1,773
>
>According to the above the Northern state of NY is more violent than AL, and
>obviously URBAN crime is rampant in both while non-urban crime is only a
>fraction of total violent crime.
>
>This suggests the NORTH is MORE VIOLENT than the South.
IF those are per capita figures.
Swill
Governor Swill
<hugh_g...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_line
>>
>> Thank you. So, that leaves Delaware as a northern state.
>>
>> Swill
>
>Read more carefully.
This map leaves both MD and DE typically out of the definition of a
southern state along with West Virginia (which was carved from
Virginia during the Civil War), Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma though
all these areas were originally 'south' of the Mason Dixon or legally
denoted as slave states or areas. Note that Texas and Florida are
both shown as not always considered to be southern states though both
were slave states and members of the CSA. Kentucky also is not
generally considered a southern state since it did not as a whole,
secede from the union yet it too is below the M-D line.
Depending on definition then, MD and DE may be considered southern at
least in the context of early American history. In practical usage,
they are not. They did not secede from the union for example, and
neither state is identified in the public mind as being southern.
One of those situations in which circumstances prevent any hard and
fast rule from being followed. By modern definition MD and DE are
most definitely not southern states.
Swill
Hugh Gibbons
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> <tom...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1176150121.0...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 9, 9:56 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
> >> news:hugh_gibbons-25E2...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> >> > The northeastern states have obviously learned how to do what Southern
> >> > states still can't do: make a big city safe.
> >> The FBI says you're wrong.
> > Oh really?
> > Rate of murder and non-negligent homicide
> > Birmingham, AL (pop 234,571) (incidences 104) (rate per 100,000 =
> > 44.3)
> > http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
> > NYC, NY (pop 8,115,690) (incidences 539) (rate per 100,000 = 6.64)
> > http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ny.html
> > LA, CA (pop 3,871,077) (incidences 489) (rate per 100,000 = 12.63)
> > http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ca.html
> > Now how about that "Urban crime always exceeds rural crime" myth of
> > yours:
> > Tarrant City, AL (pop 6,833) (incidences 3) (rate per 100,000 = 43.9)
> > http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
>
> You're cherry-picking cities.
An assertion of "always" can be refuted by a single exception. When you
said rural crime rates are always lower, you were wrong.
>
> Its just a FACT that Rural crime rates are less than Suburban crime rates
> and Suburban crime rates are less than Urban crime rates.
It's true ON AVERAGE only.
Hugh Gibbons
Governor Swill
<Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> How can you compare a ranked list of cities WITHOUT knowing the stats?
>> RUN PG RUN!!!!!!
>
>How can you compare a ranked list of cities WITHOUT knowing the stats?
You read a list somewhere and then forget where you read it.
Swill
Governor Swill
<hugh_g...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
>> >This suggests the NORTH is MORE VIOLENT than the South.
>>
>> IF those are per capita figures.
>
>They're not.
Exactly.
Swill
Governor Swill
<Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>You FAILED to support YOUR pathetic claim.
>
>This is the South: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi,
>North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee.
>
>Re-arrange Table 4 to see where the REAL crime is.
You include Kentucky as a southern state but not Arkansas, Missouri,
Virginia or Louisiana?
Swill
tom...@aol.com
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:08:55 GMT, "Patriot Games"
>
> >>> How can you compare a ranked list of cities WITHOUT knowing the stats?
> >> RUN PG RUN!!!!!!
>
> >How can you compare a ranked list of cities WITHOUT knowing the stats?
>
> You read a list somewhere and then forget where you read it.
Except, in my case, I reference, sourced and linked an article
containing the (published in U.S.A. today), which detailed both the
criteria they used to establish their ranking from "safest" to "most
dangerous using stat's drawn from the very FBI Data I referenced,
sourced and linked throughout this discussion. The fact PG is unable
to comprehend either a simple table, ratios, or the legitimacy of an
argument based on statistical fact merely demonstrates he is both a
simpleton and deluded.
>
> Swill
z
> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Apr 4, 4:35 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <1175704171.069791.280...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Apr 3, 10:12 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> In article <1175654867.784356.79...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 3, 7:25 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <1175649911.503525.20...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>> tom...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> Murder and Non-Negligent Manslaughter (rate per 100,000 in 2005)
> >>>>>>> By Region
> >>>>>>> South 6.6
> >>>>>>> West 5.8
> >>>>>>> Mid-West 4.9
> >>>>>>> Northeast 4.4
> >>>>>>> U.S. Average 5.6
> >>>>>>>http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
> >>>>>>> Since Republi-Shill seem to like to toss around murder rate statistics
> >>>>>>> (while conveniently leaving out the above), I figured I would help
> >>>>>>> them out on this.
> >>>>>> Who'd a-thunk the Big Easy could tilt the stats /that/ far?!!
> >>>>> While Louisiana's 9.9 rating certainly weighted the figures, New
> >>>>> Orlean's wouldn't have been a factor in the 8.2 rating of Alabama or
> >>>>> the 7.3 rating for Mississippi. Shoot, if it wasn't for the 5.0
> >>>>> rating of comparatively liberal states like Florida, the South's
> >>>>> stat's would be a lot worse than a 6.6 average.
> >>>>> of rhetoric, whether on issues of violent crime or dependence on
> >>>>> federal spending.
> >>>> The statistics don't assign cause. You are the only one doing that.
> >>> Actually, I am doing nothing of the sort. I am simply noting the fact
> >>> that statistics for the "South" show that it out-ranks all other
> >>> regions for murder rate.
> >>> I assign no cause at all. My reason for mentioning this fact is in
> >>> response to the regular bombardment from right wing media sources of
> >>> suggestions that more "liberal" regions are more crime-ridden,
>
> > ...
>
> >> I haven't seen these suggestions. Where--who?
>
> > Primarily AM Radio, though also in print which both find their way
> > into Usenet as "fact". The first use was to deminish the sacrifice
> > of our troops by suggesting people were more likely to die in
> > "California" than Iraq or that Detroit was more dangerous than
> > Baghdad. Of course, both of these completely B.S. facts were based on
> > totally distorted use of facts and both also carefully avoided the use
> > of far more dangerous places in "conservative" regions of the country,
> > because they were trying to perpetuate two myths at the same time.
>
> > Racists also love to provide facts that "black" are more violent,
> > while carefully avoiding stat's that, again, point to their own
> > favored terrain.
>
> > Regardless, the specific example that prompted my post was another
> > post in this same distribution that went under the header:
> > "Report Shows Most Dangerous American States = Most Illegal-Alien-
> > Bloated American States "
> > Which chose to focus on Los Angeles, while linking an article that was
> > actually based on Red-States Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona. This, of
> > course, produced the obligatory responses blaming liberal America and
> > implying that California is to blame for its horrible crime rate (not
> > realizing how much safer California is than are so many "conservative"
> > states.)
> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/56a76c3a2...
> >http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102714/The-Most-Dangerou...
>
> > Ironically, I totally agree with the argument that illegal imigration
> > is a huge problem and adds enormously to the crime rate. My only
> > point would be that, for California to absorb such a disproportionate
> > amount of potential criminals and still remain far safer than most
> > "conservative" states, is hardly an indictment of "liberalism".
>
> That is a misleading application of 'safer'. Murder is not the
> only factor in determining relative security.
>
> It appears that illegal alien crime, aside from the initial
> crime of entering the US illegally, includes the categories
> of assault, robbery and drunken driving. Alien drunken driving
> for example, kills hundreds of Americans each year.
>
> Then there is the disease factor.
>
> Anywhere illegal aliens gather, there are increases in driving deaths
> and injuries, disease, prostitution, assault, robbery and rape.
You shouldn't parrot O'Reilly. It makes you stupid.
"My first argument is that the exclusionists are wrong when they say
the current wave of immigration is tearing our social fabric. The
facts show that the recent rise in immigration hasn't been accompanied
by social breakdown, but by social repair. As immigration has surged,
violent crime has fallen by 57 percent. Teen pregnancies and abortion
rates have declined by a third. Teenagers are having fewer sexual
partners and losing their virginity later. Teen suicide rates have
dropped. The divorce rate for young people is on the way down.
Over the past decade we've seen the beginnings of a moral revival, and
some of the most important work has been done by Catholic and
evangelical immigrant churches, by faith-based organizations like the
Rev. Luis Cortés's Nueva Esperanza, by Hispanic mothers and fathers
monitoring their kids. The anti-immigration crowd says this country is
under assault. But if that's so, we're under assault by people who
love their children.
My second argument is that the immigrants themselves are like a
booster shot of traditional morality injected into the body politic.
Immigrants work hard. They build community groups. They have
traditional ideas about family structure, and they work heroically to
make them a reality.
This is evident in everything from divorce rates (which are low, given
immigrants' socioeconomic status) to their fertility rates (which are
high) and even the way they shop.
Hispanics and Hispanic immigrants have less money than average
Americans, but they spend what they have on their families, usually in
wholesome ways. According to Simmons Research, Hispanics are 57
percent more likely than average Americans to have purchased
children's furniture in the past year. Mexican-Americans spend 93
percent more on children's music.
According to the government's Consumer Expenditure Survey, Hispanics
spend more on gifts, on average, than other Americans. They're more
likely to support their parents financially. They're more likely to
have big family dinners at home.
This isn't alien behavior. It's admirable behavior, the antidote to
the excessive individualism that social conservatives decry.
...
Social conservatives, let me ask you to consider one final thing.
Women who have recently arrived from Mexico have bigger, healthier
babies than more affluent non-Hispanic white natives. That's because
strong family and social networks support these pregnant women,
reminding them what to eat and do. But the longer they stay, and the
more assimilated they become, the more bad habits they acquire and the
more problems their subsequent babies have. "
Immigrants to Be Proud Of
David Brooks
March 30, 2006
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F10613F93E540C738FDDAA0894DE404482
"Consider what sociologists call the ''Latino paradox'': Hispanic
Americans do better on a range of various social indicators --
including propensity to violence -- than one would expect given their
socioeconomic disadvantages. My colleagues and I have completed a
study in which we examined violent acts by almost 3,000 males and
females, ranging in age from 8 to 25, from 1995 to 2003. The study
selected whites, blacks and Hispanics (primarily Mexican-Americans)
from 180 Chicago neighborhoods ranging from highly segregated to very
integrated. We also analyzed data from police records, the Census and
a separate survey of more than 8,000 Chicago residents who were asked
about the characteristics of their neighborhoods.
Surprisingly, we found a significantly lower rate of violence among
Mexican-Americans than among blacks and whites. A major reason is that
more than a quarter of all those of Mexican descent were born abroad
and more than half lived in neighborhoods where the majority of
residents were also Mexican. Indeed, the first-generation immigrants
(those born outside the United States) in our study were 45 percent
less likely to commit violence than were third-generation Americans,
adjusting for family and neighborhood background. Second-generation
immigrants were 22 percent less likely to commit violence than the
third generation.
This ''protective'' pattern among immigrants holds true for non-
Hispanic whites and blacks as well. Our study further showed that
living in a neighborhood of concentrated immigration is directly
associated with lower violence (again, after taking into account a
host of factors, including poverty and an individual's immigrant
status).
Now consider that immigration to the United States rose sharply in the
1990's, especially from Mexico and especially to immigrant enclaves in
large cities. Overall, the foreign-born population increased by more
than 50 percent in 10 years, to 31 million people in 2000. A report by
the Pew Hispanic Center found that immigration grew most significantly
in the middle of the 90's and hit its peak at the end of the decade,
when the national homicide rate plunged to levels not seen since the
1960's. Immigrant flows have receded since 2001, while the national
homicide rate leveled off and seems now to be creeping up.
...
Yet our study found that immigrants appear in general to be less
violent than people born in America, particularly when they live in
neighborhoods with high numbers of other immigrants. We are thus
witnessing a different pattern from early 20th-century America, when
growth in immigration from Europe was linked with increasing crime and
formed a building block for what became known as ''social
disorganization'' theory.
In today's world, then, it is no longer tenable to assume that
immigration automatically leads to chaos and crime. New York is a
magnet for immigration, yet it has for a decade ranked as one of
America's safest cities. Border cities like El Paso and San Diego have
made similar gains against crime. Perhaps the lesson is that if we
want to continue to crack down on crime, closing the nation's doors is
not the answer. "
Open Doors Don't Invite Criminals
Robert J. Sampson
March 11, 2006
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F20F1FFB38550C728DDDAA0894DE404482
http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/soc/faculty/sampson/articles/2006_NYT_OpenDoors.pdf
In fact, it's more likely that the violence that infects the US like a
terminal virus and captures immigrants, legal or illegal, only after a
couple of generations, is the result of that darn Scotch-Irish
culture.
"Garbarino really startled his audience when he went on to suggest
that it was immigrant Scots who gave the United States its peculiar
culture of violence. He claimed that most of the USA's mayhem stems
from south of the Mason-Dixon line where: "There is a higher incidence
of an insult or show of disrespect leading to a murder where young men
cannot bear the humiliation. There are historical reasons for this."
And the main reason Garbarino cited was the waves of immigration in
the 18th and 19th centuries of Scots (and Ulster Scots) into that
area. The English and Welsh preferred to settle in the states of the
north and mid-west which, as a consequence, are more peaceable."
http://www.newstatesman.com/200004030029
Patriot Games
news:1176157573.1...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 2:15 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <tom...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1176150121.0...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Apr 9, 9:56 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> "Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:hugh_gibbons-25E2...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> >> > The northeastern states have obviously learned how to do what
>> >> > Southern
>> >> > states still can't do: make a big city safe.
>> >> The FBI says you're wrong.
>> > Oh really?
>> > Rate of murder and non-negligent homicide
>> > Birmingham, AL (pop 234,571) (incidences 104) (rate per 100,000 =
>> > 44.3)
>> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
>> > NYC, NY (pop 8,115,690) (incidences 539) (rate per 100,000 = 6.64)
>> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ny.html
>> > LA, CA (pop 3,871,077) (incidences 489) (rate per 100,000 = 12.63)
>> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ca.html
>> > Now how about that "Urban crime always exceeds rural crime" myth of
>> > yours:
>> > Tarrant City, AL (pop 6,833) (incidences 3) (rate per 100,000 = 43.9)
>> >http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_al.html
>> You're cherry-picking cities.
> to entire state averages.
No, I showed the entire State.
> I gave you an example of why your "ALL NON-URBAN areas have the lowest
> crime rates" claim was absurd. Would you like more examples?
Yes, find ONE Rural area with a crime rate higher than the Metro area on the
same state.
>> I already posted Metro-v. Non-Metro stats.
> You DID NOT post stat's on murder rate, only raw numbers unrelated to
> proportion and stat's on percent increase for that year. If city A
> has an increase in crime half that of city B but started out with 3
> times the crime rate, it doesn't change the fact that city A has a
> higher crime rate (which is why you carefully avoided the stat's that
> mattered).
In case you didn't there's no such thing as per capita CRIMES. Crimes are
actual events involving actual victims. I posted Metro-v.Non-Metro CRIMES
because CRIMES are what happens to VICTIMS (immediately before they become
statistics).
In posting Metro-v. Non-Metro CRIMES I PROVED that URBAN crime is rampant
and RURAL crime is not.
>> I already posted Suburb v. non-suburb stats.
> You DID NOT post stat's on murder rate, only raw numbers unrelated to
> proportion and stat's on percent increase for that year. If city A
> has an increase in crime half that of city B but started out with 3
> times the crime rate, it doesn't change the fact that city A has a
> higher crime rate (which is why you carefully avoided the stat's that
> mattered).
See above.
>> Its just a FACT that Rural crime rates are less than Suburban crime rates
>> and Suburban crime rates are less than Urban crime rates.
> What this does NOT mean is "ALL NON-URBAN areas have the lowest crime
> rates" as you claimed in your initial retort
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/8c03bd4a3d227b1a?dmode=source&hl=en
>
Feel free to find a State in the FBI's data where Rural crime equals or
exceeds Metro crime....
> What it DOES mean is that RURAL Mississippi and Alabama are slightly
> safer than metropolitan Mississippi and Alabama.
Slightly? Rural AL is 14 (fourteen) times safer than Metro AL. Are you
stupid? Rural MS is 4 (four) times safer than Metro MS. That's not a
slight difference that's a HUGE difference.
> It does NOT mean
> than rural Mississippi and Alabama are safer than Suburban, or even
> Urban New York.
Of course it does you fool! READ THE DATA!
Here, I'll do your homework for you, AGAIN:
MISSISSIPPI
Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Nonmetropolitan counties 900
ALABAMA
Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Nonmetropolitan counties 957
NEW YORK
Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Nonmetropolitan counties 1,793
NEW YORK
Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,529
As you can see Suburban NY is very nearly as dangerous as Rural AL and MS
COMBINED!!
As you can see Rural NY is very nearly as dangerous as Rural AL and MS
COMBINED!!
PROOF POSITIVE.
Try to finish your homework next time.
Try not to lie.
Patriot Games
news:hugh_gibbons-D357...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
Of course I wasn't. Since WHEN does ONE Rural town EQUAL ALL RURAL TOWNS in
a State?
>> Its just a FACT that Rural crime rates are less than Suburban crime rates
>> and Suburban crime rates are less than Urban crime rates.
> It's true ON AVERAGE only.
Are you completely fucking stupid?
What the fuck do you think we're talking about here?
Maybe its time for you to butt out of this Thread since its becoming clear
that you aren't up to the task....
Patriot Games
news:1176258298.4...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Find ONE Rural area with a crime rate higher than the Metro area on the same
state.
Waiting....
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/msg/8c03bd4a3...
>> Feel free to find a State in the FBI's data where Rural crime equals or
>> exceeds Metro crime....
Feel free to find a State in the FBI's data where Rural crime equals or
exceeds Metro crime....
Waiting.....
>> > What it DOES mean is that RURAL Mississippi and Alabama are slightly
>> > safer than metropolitan Mississippi and Alabama.
>> Slightly? Rural AL is 14 (fourteen) times safer than Metro AL. Are you
>> stupid? Rural MS is 4 (four) times safer than Metro MS. That's not a
>> slight difference that's a HUGE difference.
>> > It does NOT mean
>> > than rural Mississippi and Alabama are safer than Suburban, or even
>> > Urban New York.
>> Of course it does you fool! READ THE DATA!
>> Here, I'll do your homework for you, AGAIN:
>> MISSISSIPPI
>> Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
>> Nonmetropolitan counties 900
> Which, on a proportional basis PROVES my point. You are just too
> stupid to realize this yet.
There is NO SUCH THING as a "proportional" crime. There is NO SUCH THING as
a "proportional" victim.
There HAS NEVER BEEN a woman tell a cop she was proportionally raped.
The only thing you've proven is that you will twist any statistic, ignore
any fact, and tell any lie to further you agenda.
>> ALABAMA
>> Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
>> Nonmetropolitan counties 957
> Which, on a proportional basis PROVES my point. You are just too
> sutpid to realize this yet.
See above.
>> NEW YORK
>> Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
>> Nonmetropolitan counties 1,793
> Which, on a proportional basis PROVES just how much safer rural New
> York is than rural Alabama and Mississippi. You are simply too stupid
> to realize this yet.
See above.
>> NEW YORK
>> Violent Crime + Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
>> Cities outside metropolitan areas 1,529
> Which, on a proportional basis PROVES just how much safer rural New
> York is than rural Alabama and Mississippi. You are simply too stupid
> to realize this yet.
See above.
>> As you can see Suburban NY is very nearly as dangerous as Rural AL and MS
>> COMBINED!!
> Hee Hee. This is almost too funny to believe. You don't actually own
> a legal drivers license do you?
You think crime is funny?
>> As you can see Rural NY is very nearly as dangerous as Rural AL and MS
>> COMBINED!!
>> PROOF POSITIVE.
> PG, let's take a trip back to the 4th grade, shall we? If Box A has
> 50 Oranges and 10 Apples and Box B has 20 Oranges and 8 Apples, does
> this mean that you will find more Apples per Orange in box A?
Why would I want or look for an 'apple per orange' since THERE IS NO SUCH
THING. I would want an Apple. Or I would want an Orange. Or I would want
the box that had more (or less) of one (or the other).
> Think really long and hard on this one PG...and get back to me in
> about a week.
Feel free to find a State in the FBI's data where Rural crime equals or
exceeds Metro crime....
Waiting.....
Patriot Games
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Of course it does fool. Less crime = safer. Even RETARDS know that.
> You are using national stat's to try to salvage your long-lost
> argument.
National stats support the state stats. Its just a fact.
Patriot Games
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There's NO SUCH THING as a per capita crime. A CRIME is an ACTUAL event.
Above are ACTUAL crimes.
More crime = less safe.
Less crime = more safe.
What you accomplish by focusing on PER CAPITA crime is the ILLUSION of
Safety in Numbers. Of course there are more people living in NYC than in
Birmingham, and the Per Capita crime level suggests that there is safety in
numbers, like crowded sheep in a corral. But the REALITY is that 67,586
VICTIMS DID NOT get to appreciate Safety in Numbers BECAUSE ITS AN ILLUSION.
You also failed to notice one of the more interesting statistics. In NY
State RURAL crime EXCEEDS Suburban crime.
Patriot Games
I'm providing the Standard Federal Regionalization in another post....
Patriot Games
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> On Apr 9, 4:06 pm, Governor Swill <governor.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:14:30 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
>> <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
>> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason-Dixon_line
>> >> Thank you. So, that leaves Delaware as a northern state.
> How modern would that definition have to be?
Apparently you FAILED to learn that there is a Standard Federal
Regionalization, required by Federal law......
I'll post that shortly.
Patriot Games
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>> North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee.
> Oh yeah, that's right. All REAL Southerners use the OMB to define
> their status as Southerners (Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas must have
> missed the memo). I should have known.
Its Federal Law, dumbass. Why didn't you know that?
> By the way. Even this pool of states would still lead the nation in
> murder rate.
Wrong, as you shall see. (It ranks #3.)
>> Re-arrange Table 4 to see where the REAL crime is.
I've done your homework, AGAIN, for you below:
Standard Federal Regions
The ten standard Federal Regions were established by OMB (Office of
Management and Budget) Circular A-105, "Standard Federal Regions," in April,
1974, and required for all executive agencies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States#Standard_Federal_Regions
Region I: Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,
Vermont
Region II: New Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands
Region III: Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia
Region IV: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina,
South Carolina, Tennessee
Region V: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Wisconsin
Region VI: Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma
Region VII: Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska
Region VIII: Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Wyoming
Region IX: Arizona, California, Hawaii, Nevada (American Samoa, Guam,
Northern Mariana Islands, Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands)
Region X: Alaska, Idaho, Oregon, Washington
Table 4: Crime in the United States by Region, Geographic Division, and
State, 2004-2005.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Number - Rate per 100,000 - 2005
Region I:
Connecticut 102 2.9
Maine 19 1.4
Massachusetts 175 2.7
New Hampshire 18 1.4
Rhode Island 34 3.2
Vermont 8 1.3
Totals: 356 2.2
Region II:
New Jersey 417 4.8
New York 874 4.5
Puerto Rico 766 19.6
Totals: 2,057 9.6 (-PR: 4.7)
Region III:
Delaware 37 4.4
District of Columbia 195 35.4
Maryland 552 9.9
Pennsylvania 756 6.1
Virginia 461 6.1
West Virginia 80 4.4
Totals: 2,081 11.1
Region IV:
Alabama 374 8.2
Florida 883 5.0
Georgia 564 6.2
Kentucky 190 4.6
Mississippi 214 7.3
North Carolina 585 6.7
South Carolina 315 7.4
Tennessee 432 7.2
Totals: 3,557 6.6
Region V:
Illinois 766 6.0
Indiana 356 5.7
Michigan 616 6.1
Minnesota 115 2.2
Ohio 585 5.1
Wisconsin 194 3.5
Totals: 2,632 4.8
Region VI:
Arkansas 186 6.7
Louisiana 450 9.9
New Mexico 143 7.4
Texas 1,407 6.2
Oklahoma 187 5.3
Totals: 2,373 7.1
Region VII:
Iowa 38 1.3
Kansas 102 3.7
Missouri 402 6.9
Nebraska 44 2.5
Totals: 586 3.6
Region VIII:
Colorado 173 3.7
Montana 18 1.9
North Dakota 7 1.1
South Dakota 18 2.3
Utah 56 2.3
Wyoming 14 2.7
Totals: 286 2.3
Region IX:
Arizona 445 7.5
California 2,503 6.9
Hawaii 24 1.9
Nevada 206 8.5
Totals: 3,178 6.2
Region X:
Alaska 32 4.8
Idaho 35 2.4
Oregon 80 2.2
Washington 205 3.3
Totals: 352 3.2
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Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Number - Rate per 100,000 - 2005
Highest to Lowest
Region III: 2,081 11.1
Region VI: 2,373 7.1
Region IV: 3,557 6.6
Region IX: 3,178 6.2
Region V: 2,632 4.8
Region II: 2,057 9.6 (-PR: 4.7)
Region VII: 586 3.6
Region X: 352 3.2
Region VIII: 286 2.3
Region I: 356 2.2
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Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Number - Rate per 100,000 - 2005
Regionalized: Highest to Lowest by Per Capita Crime
Mid-Atlantic (III) 2,081 11.1
South Central (VI) 2,373 7.1
South (IV) 3,557 6.6
Southwest (IX) 3,178 6.2
Midwest (VII) 586 3.6
North Central (V + VIII) 2,918 3.6
Northeast (I + II) 2,413 3.45
Northwest (X) 352 3.2
Now that the FBI's statistics have been PROPERLY RANKED we can easily see
the true picture of crime in America.
Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Number - Rate per 100,000 - 2005
Regionalized: Highest to Lowest by ACTUAL Crime
South (IV) 3,557 6.6
Southwest (IX) 3,178 6.2
North Central (V + VIII) 2,918 3.6
Northeast (I + II) 2,413 3.45
South Central (VI) 2,373 7.1
Mid-Atlantic (III) 2,081 11.1
Midwest (VII) 586 3.6
Northwest (X) 352 3.2
What do South, Southwest and South Central have in common? Illegal aliens.
What do North Central, Northeast and Mid-Atlantic have in common? URBAN
crime.
What do the Midwest and Northwest have in common? Fewest illegal aliens,
fewest large URBAN areas.
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Patriot Games
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> "Urban" crime argument and have ran like a coward to "metropolitan"
> stat's which encompass 80 to 90% of the population of a given state,
> doesn't mean I need to play "chase the Red Herring" with you.
Then you can lose gracefully. YOU claimed crime was higher in the RURAL
South.
You were wrong.
Patriot Games
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Thanks for playing.
Next time do all of your homework.
Next time try not to lie.
I will be watching....
Patriot Games
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> On Apr 11, 7:55 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Governor Swill" <governor.sw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Its was educational proving you wrong but it was still distasteful because I
despise LIARS.
Try not to lie next time.
I will be watching...
Patriot Games
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Try to do all of your homework next time.
Try not to lie next time.
I will be watching....