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don Gabacho
Aug 4, 2012, 11:23:34 AM8/4/12
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GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
NBCNews.com
House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell
Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
General Eric Holder during a ...
<http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-to-file-lawsuit-against-holder?lite>
NBCNews.com
House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell
Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
General Eric Holder during a ...
<http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-to-file-lawsuit-against-holder?lite>
deadrat
Aug 4, 2012, 12:14:43 PM8/4/12
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Sancho Panza
Aug 4, 2012, 12:24:42 PM8/4/12
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deadrat
Aug 4, 2012, 12:57:02 PM8/4/12
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needed to resolve this suit is longer than the time Obama can possibly
remain in office. And when he leaves office, it will become moot.
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Dick Adams
Aug 4, 2012, 10:23:52 PM8/4/12
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Mitt's Shadow <Mit...@is.invalid> wrote:
> and the congress. I'll huff and I'll puff...
What part of Watergate did you miss? I suggest you read the 8-0
Supreme Court decision United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).
In summary, Warren Burger and the Supremes informed Tricky Dick
that the "Divine Right of Kings" is a Fairy Tale.
> don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
>> NBCNews.com
> The courts won't get involved in a dispute between the executive
>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
>> NBCNews.com
> and the congress. I'll huff and I'll puff...
What part of Watergate did you miss? I suggest you read the 8-0
Supreme Court decision United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).
In summary, Warren Burger and the Supremes informed Tricky Dick
that the "Divine Right of Kings" is a Fairy Tale.
deadrat
Aug 4, 2012, 10:43:48 PM8/4/12
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On 8/4/12 9:04 PM, Mitt's Shadow wrote:
involved in disputes that are technically about legal issues but that
are really political dog fights.
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 11:23:34 -0400, don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
>> NBCNews.com
>
> wrote:
>
>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
>> NBCNews.com
>
> The courts won't get involved in a dispute between the executive and the
> congress. I'll huff and I'll puff...
This isn't true, as US v Nixon shows. The courts don't like to get
> congress. I'll huff and I'll puff...
involved in disputes that are technically about legal issues but that
are really political dog fights.
cda...@jprude.net
Aug 4, 2012, 11:30:38 PM8/4/12
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On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:23:52 +0000 (UTC), rda...@panix.com (Dick
Adams) wrote:
> .....
federal courts' willingness or nor to become involved in a dispute
between a POTUS and congress.
While it is true that that litigation occurred against a
background of such a dispute, of congress investigating whether to
impeach the president and apparently of being on the verge of doing
exactly that, the case itself arose in a criminal law context:
It was not congress and instead a special prosecutor following
widespread public anger at Nixon having summarily fired a prior duly
appointed independent prosecutor who obtained a criminal grand jury
subpoena for the tapes as part of an independent grand jury
investigation and it was the president's refusal to comply with that
subpoena that resulted in the Supremes' unanimous ruling.
Adams) wrote:
> .....
>> The courts won't get involved in a dispute between the executive
>> and the congress. I'll huff and I'll puff...
>
>What part of Watergate did you miss? I suggest you read the 8-0
>Supreme Court decision United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).
>
>In summary, Warren Burger and the Supremes informed Tricky Dick
>that the "Divine Right of Kings" is a Fairy Tale.
U.S. v. Nixon is not a good illustrative example of the
>> and the congress. I'll huff and I'll puff...
>
>What part of Watergate did you miss? I suggest you read the 8-0
>Supreme Court decision United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974).
>
>In summary, Warren Burger and the Supremes informed Tricky Dick
>that the "Divine Right of Kings" is a Fairy Tale.
federal courts' willingness or nor to become involved in a dispute
between a POTUS and congress.
While it is true that that litigation occurred against a
background of such a dispute, of congress investigating whether to
impeach the president and apparently of being on the verge of doing
exactly that, the case itself arose in a criminal law context:
It was not congress and instead a special prosecutor following
widespread public anger at Nixon having summarily fired a prior duly
appointed independent prosecutor who obtained a criminal grand jury
subpoena for the tapes as part of an independent grand jury
investigation and it was the president's refusal to comply with that
subpoena that resulted in the Supremes' unanimous ruling.
deadrat
Aug 5, 2012, 12:15:40 AM8/5/12
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Committee v Nixon. In deciding for the executive, the court was not shy
about instructing the Select Committee on its duties and indeed its role
in Congressional business.
don Gabacho
Aug 5, 2012, 12:59:49 AM8/5/12
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television news to report in earnest along with, I believe, the speech
of Obama's handpicked key-note speaker, San Antonio's Mexican Mayor.
Nonetheless the charges are not only valid but also imperative.
US news jumped on the break-in resulting in Watergate. It is a sign of
how the US meida has long been co-opted to not only not jump on the
murders resulting from Fast & Furious, but also a condemnation of the
media to not even assign investigative reporters to instead propagate
the DOJ's excuse: that Fast & Furious must be a mere "botch-job." And
why? Because Holder says so.
Imagine the news having simply accepted Agnew's excuses?
Despite the best efforts of, essentially, those most engaged in
co-opting the media in their shameless down-play of the issue*,
the issue is no mere "political dog-fight."
And the judiciary knows it.
Obama and Holder have challenged Congress's Constitutionally empowerment
for oversight including subpoena power.
If it turns out the judiciary is disinterested, it will be far more
indicative of its long having been co-opted also and not for any
traditional reluctance.
*They do so to protect Holder and Obama per se, but to protect the MxGov
and Calderon.
Meanwhile, there are reports and commentaries though from the
hinterland; and they are mounting and damning.
For example:
Fast & Furious: Where the buck stops
By Tribune-Review [Pittsburg]
Published: Friday, August 3, 2012, 8:56 p.m.
Updated: Friday, August 3, 2012
Republican congressional investigators continue to document the whole
sorry Fast and Furious affair. And while there�s plenty of blame to go
around for underlings, it�s Attorney General Eric Holder who bears
ultimate responsibility � and who should lose his job.
The first of three reports, obtained by the Los Angeles Times before its
release, concludes that five senior Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms
and Explosives officials � including its special agent in charge in
Phoenix and top man in Washington � share responsibility, citing their
�missteps, poor judgments and inherently reckless strategy.�
ATF allowed about 2,500 illegal gun sales in Arizona but failed to track
those guns to Mexican drug cartels as intended. Two were found at the
scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry�s killing.
Two others were recovered after a Mexican state attorney general�s
brother was killed � and that first report says those five ATF officials
tried to hide that fact from Mexico�s government.
The other reports will deal with Justice�s �devastating failure of
supervision and leadership� and �unprecedented obstruction� of the
congressional probe at the department�s �highest levels� � which lately
earned Mr. Holder a contempt-of-Congress citation for withholding
subpoenaed documents.
However culpable others within Justice may be, the buck stops with
Holder, confirming that he�s manifestly unfit to remain the nation�s top
law enforcement officer.
deadrat
Aug 5, 2012, 1:24:48 AM8/5/12
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contempt citation to the USA for DC, who laughed in his face. He's got
a civil suit ginned up to try to force Holder's hand, but the run time
on that exceeds the maximum time Obama could spend in office. He just
looks weak and foolish. All he's got left is inherent contempt. Let's
see if he's stupid enough to try to arrest the AG.
>
> Nonetheless the charges are not only valid but also imperative.
If by "valid" and "imperative," you mean "bullshit."
> Nonetheless the charges are not only valid but also imperative.
>
> US news jumped on the break-in resulting in Watergate. It is a sign of
> how the US meida has long been co-opted to not only not jump on the
> murders resulting from Fast & Furious, but also a condemnation of the
> media to not even assign investigative reporters to instead propagate
> the DOJ's excuse: that Fast & Furious must be a mere "botch-job." And
> why? Because Holder says so.
Yeah, they'd rather report on Romney's dog being hauled to Canada on top
> US news jumped on the break-in resulting in Watergate. It is a sign of
> how the US meida has long been co-opted to not only not jump on the
> murders resulting from Fast & Furious, but also a condemnation of the
> media to not even assign investigative reporters to instead propagate
> the DOJ's excuse: that Fast & Furious must be a mere "botch-job." And
> why? Because Holder says so.
of a car. Kinda sucks for you, eh?
>
> Imagine the news having simply accepted Agnew's excuses?
>
> Despite the best efforts of, essentially, those most engaged in
> co-opting the media in their shameless down-play of the issue*,
> the issue is no mere "political dog-fight."
>
> And the judiciary knows it.
The judiciary is gonna kick this can down the road. My bet? The first
> Imagine the news having simply accepted Agnew's excuses?
>
> Despite the best efforts of, essentially, those most engaged in
> co-opting the media in their shameless down-play of the issue*,
> the issue is no mere "political dog-fight."
>
> And the judiciary knows it.
court to hear the civil suit dismisses it because Issa hasn't pursued a
compromise on disclosure.
>
> Obama and Holder have challenged Congress's Constitutionally empowerment
> for oversight including subpoena power.
They have, but they've asserted their own power to hold things
> Obama and Holder have challenged Congress's Constitutionally empowerment
> for oversight including subpoena power.
confidential under executive privilege. Obama hasn't made Nixon's
mistake: his claim is specific to certain documents prepared for
consultations between him and his top officers.
>
> If it turns out the judiciary is disinterested, it will be far more
> indicative of its long having been co-opted also and not for any
> traditional reluctance.
>
> *They do so to protect Holder and Obama per se, but to protect the MxGov
> and Calderon.
>
>
> Meanwhile, there are reports and commentaries though from the
> hinterland; and they are mounting and damning.
>
> For example:
>
> Fast & Furious: Where the buck stops
>
> By Tribune-Review [Pittsburg]
>
> Published: Friday, August 3, 2012, 8:56 p.m.
> Updated: Friday, August 3, 2012
>
<snipped: copyright violation/>
> If it turns out the judiciary is disinterested, it will be far more
> indicative of its long having been co-opted also and not for any
> traditional reluctance.
>
> *They do so to protect Holder and Obama per se, but to protect the MxGov
> and Calderon.
>
>
> Meanwhile, there are reports and commentaries though from the
> hinterland; and they are mounting and damning.
>
> For example:
>
> Fast & Furious: Where the buck stops
>
> By Tribune-Review [Pittsburg]
>
> Published: Friday, August 3, 2012, 8:56 p.m.
> Updated: Friday, August 3, 2012
>
If all you've got is an editorial from a Pittsburgh newspaper calling
for Holder's resignation, then you've got nothing.
Sancho Panza
Aug 5, 2012, 9:27:31 PM8/5/12
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pushed very hard in court to prevent the release of obsolete but
historical materials:
"On June 24 and 25, 1975, Nixon gave secret testimony to a grand jury.
According to news reports at the time, Nixon answered questions about
the 18-1/2 minute tape gap, altering White House tape transcripts turned
over to the House Judiciary Committee, using the Internal Revenue
Service to harass political enemies, and a $100,000 contribution from
billionaire Howard Hughes. Aided by the Public Citizen Litigation Group,
the historian Stanley Kutler, who has written several books about Nixon
and Watergate, sued for release of the transcripts of the testimony.[64]
President Obama's justice department opposed the transcripts release on
privacy grounds. On July 29, 2011, the U.S. District Judge Royce
Lamberth granted Kutler's request, saying that historical interests
trumped privacy interests. He noted that Nixon and other key figures
likely to be mentioned were deceased and most of the surviving figures
had testified under oath, written about or were interviewed about
Watergate. The transcripts were not immediately released pending the
government's decision on whether to appeal.[64] They were released in
their entirety on November 10, 2011, although the names of people still
alive were redacted.[65]"--wikipedia.
plainolamerican
Aug 6, 2012, 5:29:17 PM8/6/12
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House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
Holder
throw that house boy out asap by any means necessary
Bret Cahill
Aug 6, 2012, 7:17:09 PM8/6/12
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> >>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
> >>> NBCNews.com
> >>> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
> >>> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman
> >>> Darrell
> >>> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
> >>> General Eric Holder during a ...
> >>> <http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-t...>
> >>> NBCNews.com
> >>> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
> >>> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman
> >>> Darrell
> >>> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
> >>> General Eric Holder during a ...
>
> >> <yawn/>
>
> > Yup. Happens everyday. At least with some administrations.
>
> It's happened. The reason for my lack of excitement is that the time
> needed to resolve this suit is longer than the time Obama can possibly
> remain in office. And when he leaves office, it will become moot.
Congress never has standing in these cases anyway so it will be
> >> <yawn/>
>
> > Yup. Happens everyday. At least with some administrations.
>
> It's happened. The reason for my lack of excitement is that the time
> needed to resolve this suit is longer than the time Obama can possibly
> remain in office. And when he leaves office, it will become moot.
summarily tossed unless a Repug judge thinks it has some political
effect which it probably doesn't.
Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
them to file?
Bret Cahill
deadrat
Aug 6, 2012, 7:42:01 PM8/6/12
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On 8/6/12 6:17 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
>>>>> NBCNews.com
>>>>> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
>>>>> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman
>>>>> Darrell
>>>>> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
>>>>> General Eric Holder during a ...
>>>>> <http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-t...>
>>
>>>> <yawn/>
>>
>>> Yup. Happens everyday. At least with some administrations.
>>
>> It's happened. The reason for my lack of excitement is that the time
>> needed to resolve this suit is longer than the time Obama can possibly
>> remain in office. And when he leaves office, it will become moot.
>
> Congress never has standing in these cases anyway so it will be
> summarily tossed unless a Repug judge thinks it has some political
> effect which it probably doesn't.
Of course Congress has standing in these cases. It's their subpoena
>>>>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
>>>>> NBCNews.com
>>>>> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
>>>>> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman
>>>>> Darrell
>>>>> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
>>>>> General Eric Holder during a ...
>>>>> <http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-t...>
>>
>>>> <yawn/>
>>
>>> Yup. Happens everyday. At least with some administrations.
>>
>> It's happened. The reason for my lack of excitement is that the time
>> needed to resolve this suit is longer than the time Obama can possibly
>> remain in office. And when he leaves office, it will become moot.
>
> Congress never has standing in these cases anyway so it will be
> summarily tossed unless a Repug judge thinks it has some political
> effect which it probably doesn't.
that they're tried to get enforced. There's no "particularized harm"
standard as in suits for damages.
> Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
> them to file?
subpoena enforced. What are you talking about?
> Bret Cahill
Neolibertarian
Aug 6, 2012, 9:47:17 PM8/6/12
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In article
<5a0a7599-e6f9-4b99...@8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
Hunh?
However, I certainly agree it will have minimal political impact.
The political impact the GOP is aiming for is found in demonstrating the
Obama White House has been the exact opposite of "the most open and
transparent administration in history."
�No more secrecy. That is a commitment that I make to you as president.�
---Barack Obama (2008)
Fact is, nobody really cares. Not the Democrats. Not the Independents.
Not even the GOP. Obama knew that even as he uttered those silly words.
It's not like Obama can get reelected anyway.
>
> Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
> them to file?
It's that standing thingy, of course.
What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
policies?
Paula Jones?
The damages must have taken place before the official took office.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."
<5a0a7599-e6f9-4b99...@8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
Bret Cahill <Bret_E...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
> > >>> NBCNews.com
> > >>> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
> > >>> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman
> > >>> Darrell
> > >>> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
> > >>> General Eric Holder during a ...
> > >>> <http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-t..
> > >>> .>
> >
> > >> <yawn/>
> >
> > > Yup. Happens everyday. At least with some administrations.
> >
> > It's happened. �The reason for my lack of excitement is that the time
> > needed to resolve this suit is longer than the time Obama can possibly
> > remain in office. �And when he leaves office, it will become moot.
>
> Congress never has standing in these cases anyway so it will be
> summarily tossed unless a Repug judge thinks it has some political
> effect which it probably doesn't.
Congress never has standing?
> > >>> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
> > >>> NBCNews.com
> > >>> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
> > >>> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman
> > >>> Darrell
> > >>> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
> > >>> General Eric Holder during a ...
> > >>> <http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-t..
> > >>> .>
> >
> > >> <yawn/>
> >
> > > Yup. Happens everyday. At least with some administrations.
> >
> > It's happened. �The reason for my lack of excitement is that the time
> > needed to resolve this suit is longer than the time Obama can possibly
> > remain in office. �And when he leaves office, it will become moot.
>
> Congress never has standing in these cases anyway so it will be
> summarily tossed unless a Repug judge thinks it has some political
> effect which it probably doesn't.
Hunh?
However, I certainly agree it will have minimal political impact.
The political impact the GOP is aiming for is found in demonstrating the
Obama White House has been the exact opposite of "the most open and
transparent administration in history."
�No more secrecy. That is a commitment that I make to you as president.�
---Barack Obama (2008)
Fact is, nobody really cares. Not the Democrats. Not the Independents.
Not even the GOP. Obama knew that even as he uttered those silly words.
It's not like Obama can get reelected anyway.
>
> Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
> them to file?
What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
policies?
Paula Jones?
The damages must have taken place before the official took office.
--
Neolibertarian
"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."
don Gabacho
Aug 6, 2012, 10:55:17 PM8/6/12
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On 8/6/2012 9:47 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> policies?
It happens often. The suer addresses the lawsuit as 'The Person's Actual
> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> policies?
Name' as (or in the capacity of) the 'Title of Office' of 'Whatever
Office of Government'.
deadrat
Aug 7, 2012, 12:34:31 AM8/7/12
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> ---Barack Obama (2008)
>
> Fact is, nobody really cares. Not the Democrats. Not the Independents.
> Not even the GOP. Obama knew that even as he uttered those silly words.
>
> It's not like Obama can get reelected anyway.
>
>>
>> Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
>> them to file?
>
> It's that standing thingy, of course.
>
> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> policies?
>
> Paula Jones?
>
> The damages must have taken place before the official took office.
Do you have any cites for this? You don't suppose that Monica Lewinsky
>
> Fact is, nobody really cares. Not the Democrats. Not the Independents.
> Not even the GOP. Obama knew that even as he uttered those silly words.
>
> It's not like Obama can get reelected anyway.
>
>>
>> Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
>> them to file?
>
> It's that standing thingy, of course.
>
> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> policies?
>
> Paula Jones?
>
> The damages must have taken place before the official took office.
could have sued Clinton for harassment had she not been a willing
participant?
Private citizens sue public officials all the time. In this case,
though, private individuals have no standing to enforce Congressional
subpoenas.
deadrat
Aug 7, 2012, 12:44:16 AM8/7/12
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Generally, you can't sue a state or the feds directly, and unless they
agree, you can't sue them for damages at all. What you can do is sue
them for injunctive relief if your rights have been violated or if he's
failed to perform a ministerial duty on your behalf. But it's your
rights that have to be violated. You can't sue Holder because he's
ignoring a Congressional subpoena. Congress has to do that.
Neolibertarian
Aug 7, 2012, 10:32:19 PM8/7/12
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In article <8vudnY-t-6lFB73N...@giganews.com>,
> > �No more secrecy. That is a commitment that I make to you as president.�
Petitioner promptly advised the Federal District Court that he would
file a motion to dismiss on Presidential immunity grounds, and requested
that all other pleadings and motions be deferred until the immunity
issue was resolved. After the court granted that request, petitioner
filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice and to toll any applicable
statutes of limitation during his Presidency.
[...]
Petitioner's principal submission--that in all but the most exceptional
cases, the Constitution affords the President temporary immunity from
civil damages litigation arising out of events that occurred before he
took office--cannot be sustained on the basis of precedent. The
principal rationale for affording Presidents immunity from damages
actions based on their official acts--i.e., to enable them to perform
their designated functions effectively without fear that a particular
decision may give rise to personal liability, see, e.g., Nixon v.
Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731, 749, 752, and n. 32--provides no support for
an immunity for unofficial conduct.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1853.ZS.html
> You don't suppose that Monica Lewinsky
> could have sued Clinton for harassment had she not been a willing
> participant?
Unofficial conduct? I imagine so.
- 7pm in most states and precincts.
If We the People don't do what's right and necessary at that time, we've
got no one left to blame.
> > ---Barack Obama (2008)
> >
> > Fact is, nobody really cares. Not the Democrats. Not the Independents.
> > Not even the GOP. Obama knew that even as he uttered those silly words.
> >
> > It's not like Obama can get reelected anyway.
> >
> >>
> >> Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
> >> them to file?
> >
> > It's that standing thingy, of course.
> >
> > What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> > official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> > policies?
> >
> > Paula Jones?
> >
> > The damages must have taken place before the official took office.
>
> Do you have any cites for this?
Clinton v Jones (1997)
> >
> > Fact is, nobody really cares. Not the Democrats. Not the Independents.
> > Not even the GOP. Obama knew that even as he uttered those silly words.
> >
> > It's not like Obama can get reelected anyway.
> >
> >>
> >> Why don't Repugs talk to their buddies at a GOP shill tank and get
> >> them to file?
> >
> > It's that standing thingy, of course.
> >
> > What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> > official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> > policies?
> >
> > Paula Jones?
> >
> > The damages must have taken place before the official took office.
>
> Do you have any cites for this?
Petitioner promptly advised the Federal District Court that he would
file a motion to dismiss on Presidential immunity grounds, and requested
that all other pleadings and motions be deferred until the immunity
issue was resolved. After the court granted that request, petitioner
filed a motion to dismiss without prejudice and to toll any applicable
statutes of limitation during his Presidency.
[...]
Petitioner's principal submission--that in all but the most exceptional
cases, the Constitution affords the President temporary immunity from
civil damages litigation arising out of events that occurred before he
took office--cannot be sustained on the basis of precedent. The
principal rationale for affording Presidents immunity from damages
actions based on their official acts--i.e., to enable them to perform
their designated functions effectively without fear that a particular
decision may give rise to personal liability, see, e.g., Nixon v.
Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731, 749, 752, and n. 32--provides no support for
an immunity for unofficial conduct.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1853.ZS.html
> You don't suppose that Monica Lewinsky
> could have sued Clinton for harassment had she not been a willing
> participant?
>
> Private citizens sue public officials all the time. In this case,
> though, private individuals have no standing to enforce Congressional
> subpoenas.
The best legal remedy becomes available Tuesday, November 6th, from 7am
> Private citizens sue public officials all the time. In this case,
> though, private individuals have no standing to enforce Congressional
> subpoenas.
- 7pm in most states and precincts.
If We the People don't do what's right and necessary at that time, we've
got no one left to blame.
Neolibertarian
Aug 7, 2012, 10:36:47 PM8/7/12
to
In article <jvq02l$i6u$1...@dont-email.me>,
You're only embarrassing yourself.
Stop while you're ahead.
Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
internet into perpetuity.
Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
kind of shame upon them?
Think man, think!
Stop while you're ahead.
Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
internet into perpetuity.
Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
kind of shame upon them?
Think man, think!
deadrat
Aug 7, 2012, 11:50:45 PM8/7/12
to
would have failed had the damages been contemporaneous with holding office.
>> You don't suppose that Monica Lewinsky
>> could have sued Clinton for harassment had she not been a willing
>> participant?
>
> Unofficial conduct? I imagine so.
>>
>> Private citizens sue public officials all the time. In this case,
>> though, private individuals have no standing to enforce Congressional
>> subpoenas.
>
> The best legal remedy becomes available Tuesday, November 6th, from 7am
> - 7pm in most states and precincts.
And it's existence is one reason why the civil suit against Holder is a
waste of time.
> If We the People don't do what's right and necessary at that time, we've
> got no one left to blame.
deadrat
Aug 7, 2012, 11:53:18 PM8/7/12
to
On 8/7/12 9:36 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
> In article <jvq02l$i6u$1...@dont-email.me>,
> don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2012 9:47 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
>>
>>> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
>>> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
>>> policies?
>>
>> It happens often. The suer addresses the lawsuit as 'The Person's Actual
>> Name' as (or in the capacity of) the 'Title of Office' of 'Whatever
>> Office of Government'.
>
> You're only embarrassing yourself.
Can't happen if there's no sense of shame.
> In article <jvq02l$i6u$1...@dont-email.me>,
> don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/6/2012 9:47 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
>>
>>> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
>>> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
>>> policies?
>>
>> It happens often. The suer addresses the lawsuit as 'The Person's Actual
>> Name' as (or in the capacity of) the 'Title of Office' of 'Whatever
>> Office of Government'.
>
> You're only embarrassing yourself.
>
> Stop while you're ahead.
Ahead?
> Stop while you're ahead.
>
> Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
> internet into perpetuity.
>
> Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
> posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
> kind of shame upon them?
Too late.
> Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
> internet into perpetuity.
>
> Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
> posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
> kind of shame upon them?
>
> Think man, think!
Ask only for the possible.
Neolibertarian
Aug 8, 2012, 9:31:54 PM8/8/12
to
In article <bMednVQGAMKLf7zN...@giganews.com>,
> >>> �No more secrecy. That is a commitment that I make to you as president.�
I linked to the rest of the decision.
>
> >> You don't suppose that Monica Lewinsky
> >> could have sued Clinton for harassment had she not been a willing
> >> participant?
> >
> > Unofficial conduct? I imagine so.
> >>
> >> Private citizens sue public officials all the time. In this case,
> >> though, private individuals have no standing to enforce Congressional
> >> subpoenas.
> >
> > The best legal remedy becomes available Tuesday, November 6th, from 7am
> > - 7pm in most states and precincts.
>
> This isn't a legal, as in judicial, remedy. It's a political remedy.
> And it's existence is one reason why the civil suit against Holder is a
> waste of time.
>
> > If We the People don't do what's right and necessary at that time, we've
> > got no one left to blame.
>
> Yeah? Where were you in November 2000 and November 2004?
Defending my Constitution from the Barbarians at the Gate, of course.
> >> You don't suppose that Monica Lewinsky
> >> could have sued Clinton for harassment had she not been a willing
> >> participant?
> >
> > Unofficial conduct? I imagine so.
> >>
> >> Private citizens sue public officials all the time. In this case,
> >> though, private individuals have no standing to enforce Congressional
> >> subpoenas.
> >
> > The best legal remedy becomes available Tuesday, November 6th, from 7am
> > - 7pm in most states and precincts.
>
> This isn't a legal, as in judicial, remedy. It's a political remedy.
> And it's existence is one reason why the civil suit against Holder is a
> waste of time.
>
> > If We the People don't do what's right and necessary at that time, we've
> > got no one left to blame.
>
> Yeah? Where were you in November 2000 and November 2004?
don Gabacho
Aug 8, 2012, 10:23:57 PM8/8/12
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Court opinions for zivotofsky v. secretary of state
Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 571 F. 3d 1227 - 2009 - Court of
Appeals, Dist. of � - Cited by 43
Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 511 F. Supp. 2d 97 - � - Dist. Court,
Dist. of � - Cited by 8
Zivotofsky ex rel. Ari Z. v. Secretary of State, 444 F. 3d � - Court of
Appeals, Dist. of � - Cited by 44
Search Results
Zivotofsky v. Clinton (10-699) | LII / Legal Information Institute
www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/10-699
See Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 571 F.3d 1227, 1228 (D.C. Cir.
2009). In accordance with the President of the United States's directive
on the status of ...
Zivotofsky v. Clinton | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College ...
www.oyez.org/cases/2010-2019/2011/2011_10_699
On his behalf, Zivotofsky's parents filed this suit against the
Secretary of State ... G. Roberts: We'll hear argument first this
morning in Case 10-699, Zivotofsky v.
ZIVOTOFSKY v. SECRETARY OF STATE, No. 07-5347., July 10 ...
caselaw.findlaw.com/us-dc-circuit/1091709.html
Jul 10, 2009 � ZIVOTOFSKY v. SECRETARY OF STATE. Ari Z. ZIVOTOFSKY,
M.B.Z. by his Parents And Guardians and Naomi Siegman Zivotofsky, M.B.Z.
by ...
Jewish Law - Legal Briefs ("Zivotofsky vs. The Secretary of State")
www.jlaw.com/Briefs/zivotofsky-v-secretary.html
Jewish Law Logo, Jewish Law - Examining Halacha, Jewish Issues and
Secular Law. Zivotofsky vs. The Secretary of State. UNITED STATES
DISTRICT COURT ...
[PDF]
10-699 Zivotofsky v. Clinton (03/26/2012)
www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-699.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Mar 26, 2012 � ZIVOTOFSKY ET UX. v. CLINTON, SECRETARY. OF STATE.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR ...
10-699 - Search - Supreme Court of the United States
www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/...
Menachem Binyamin Zivotofsky, By His Parents and Guardians, Ari Z. and
Naomi Siegman Zivotofsky, Petitioner. v. Hillary Rodham Clinton,
Secretary of State ...
[PDF]
Supreme Court of the United States
www.lewinlewin.com/.../Zivotofsky_v._Clinton_-_No._10-69...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
by his parents and guardians, ARI Z. and. NAOMI SIEGMAN ZIVOTOFSKY,.
Petitioner, v. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, Secretary of State,. Respondent.
Coming in November: Menachem Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State ...
myrightword.blogspot.com/.../coming-in-november-menache...Share
Jul 30, 2011 � The case of Menachem Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State
Clinton (No. 10-699) will be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court in November
2011 and ...
[PDF]
Brief of petitioner for zivotofsky v. Clinton, 10-699
www.americanbar.org/.../10-699_petitioneramcuaajlj.authchec...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
ARI Z. AND NAOMI SIEGMAN ZIVOTOFSKY,. Petitioner, v. HILLARY RODHAM
CLINTON. SECRETARY OF STATE,. Respondent. BRIEF OF AMICUS CURIAE ...
deadrat
Aug 9, 2012, 12:05:48 AM8/9/12
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plainolamerican
Aug 9, 2012, 1:04:50 PM8/9/12
to
On Aug 8, 9:23 pm, don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> On 8/7/2012 10:36 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <jvq02l$i6...@dont-email.me>,
> On 8/7/2012 10:36 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
> >> On 8/6/2012 9:47 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
>
> >>> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> >>> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> >>> policies?
>
> >> It happens often. The suer addresses the lawsuit as 'The Person's Actual
> >> Name' as (or in the capacity of) the 'Title of Office' of 'Whatever
> >> Office of Government'.
>
> > You're only embarrassing yourself.
>
> > Stop while you're ahead.
>
> > Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
> > internet into perpetuity.
>
> > Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
> > posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
> > kind of shame upon them?
>
> > Think man, think!
>
> Think about Z to A?
>
> Court opinions for zivotofsky v. secretary of state
>
> Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 571 F. 3d 1227 - 2009 - Court of
> Appeals, Dist. of … - Cited by 43
>
> >> On 8/6/2012 9:47 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
>
> >>> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> >>> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> >>> policies?
>
> >> It happens often. The suer addresses the lawsuit as 'The Person's Actual
> >> Name' as (or in the capacity of) the 'Title of Office' of 'Whatever
> >> Office of Government'.
>
> > You're only embarrassing yourself.
>
> > Stop while you're ahead.
>
> > Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
> > internet into perpetuity.
>
> > Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
> > posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
> > kind of shame upon them?
>
> > Think man, think!
>
> Think about Z to A?
>
> Court opinions for zivotofsky v. secretary of state
>
> Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 571 F. 3d 1227 - 2009 - Court of
>
> Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 511 F. Supp. 2d 97 - … - Dist. Court,
> Dist. of … - Cited by 8
>
> Zivotofsky ex rel. Ari Z. v. Secretary of State, 444 F. 3d … - Court of
> Appeals, Dist. of … - Cited by 44
>
> Search Results
>
> Zivotofsky v. Clinton (10-699) | LII / Legal Information Institute
>
> www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/10-699
>
> See Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 571 F.3d 1227, 1228 (D.C. Cir.
> 2009). In accordance with the President of the United States's directive
> on the status of ...
>
> Zivotofsky v. Clinton | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College ...
>
> www.oyez.org/cases/2010-2019/2011/2011_10_699
>
> On his behalf, Zivotofsky's parents filed this suit against the
> Secretary of State ... G. Roberts: We'll hear argument first this
> morning in Case 10-699, Zivotofsky v.
>
> ZIVOTOFSKY v. SECRETARY OF STATE, No. 07-5347., July 10 ...
>
> caselaw.findlaw.com/us-dc-circuit/1091709.html
>
> Jul 10, 2009 – ZIVOTOFSKY v. SECRETARY OF STATE. Ari Z. ZIVOTOFSKY,
> Search Results
>
> Zivotofsky v. Clinton (10-699) | LII / Legal Information Institute
>
> www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/10-699
>
> See Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State, 571 F.3d 1227, 1228 (D.C. Cir.
> 2009). In accordance with the President of the United States's directive
> on the status of ...
>
> Zivotofsky v. Clinton | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College ...
>
> www.oyez.org/cases/2010-2019/2011/2011_10_699
>
> On his behalf, Zivotofsky's parents filed this suit against the
> Secretary of State ... G. Roberts: We'll hear argument first this
> morning in Case 10-699, Zivotofsky v.
>
> ZIVOTOFSKY v. SECRETARY OF STATE, No. 07-5347., July 10 ...
>
> caselaw.findlaw.com/us-dc-circuit/1091709.html
>
> M.B.Z. by his Parents And Guardians and Naomi Siegman Zivotofsky, M.B.Z.
> by ...
>
> Jewish Law - Legal Briefs ("Zivotofsky vs. The Secretary of State")
>
> www.jlaw.com/Briefs/zivotofsky-v-secretary.html
>
> Jewish Law Logo, Jewish Law - Examining Halacha, Jewish Issues and
> Secular Law. Zivotofsky vs. The Secretary of State. UNITED STATES
> DISTRICT COURT ...
>
> [PDF]
> 10-699 Zivotofsky v. Clinton (03/26/2012)
>
> www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-699.pdf
>
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
> Mar 26, 2012 – ZIVOTOFSKY ET UX. v. CLINTON, SECRETARY. OF STATE.
> by ...
>
> Jewish Law - Legal Briefs ("Zivotofsky vs. The Secretary of State")
>
> www.jlaw.com/Briefs/zivotofsky-v-secretary.html
>
> Jewish Law Logo, Jewish Law - Examining Halacha, Jewish Issues and
> Secular Law. Zivotofsky vs. The Secretary of State. UNITED STATES
> DISTRICT COURT ...
>
> [PDF]
> 10-699 Zivotofsky v. Clinton (03/26/2012)
>
> www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-699.pdf
>
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
> CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR ...
>
> 10-699 - Search - Supreme Court of the United States
>
> www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/...
>
> Menachem Binyamin Zivotofsky, By His Parents and Guardians, Ari Z. and
> Naomi Siegman Zivotofsky, Petitioner. v. Hillary Rodham Clinton,
> Secretary of State ...
>
> [PDF]
> Supreme Court of the United States
>
> www.lewinlewin.com/.../Zivotofsky_v._Clinton_-_No._10-69...
>
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
> by his parents and guardians, ARI Z. and. NAOMI SIEGMAN ZIVOTOFSKY,.
> Petitioner, v. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, Secretary of State,. Respondent.
>
> Coming in November: Menachem Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State ...
>
> myrightword.blogspot.com/.../coming-in-november-menache...Share
>
> Jul 30, 2011 – The case of Menachem Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State
>
> 10-699 - Search - Supreme Court of the United States
>
> www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/...
>
> Menachem Binyamin Zivotofsky, By His Parents and Guardians, Ari Z. and
> Naomi Siegman Zivotofsky, Petitioner. v. Hillary Rodham Clinton,
> Secretary of State ...
>
> [PDF]
> Supreme Court of the United States
>
> www.lewinlewin.com/.../Zivotofsky_v._Clinton_-_No._10-69...
>
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
> by his parents and guardians, ARI Z. and. NAOMI SIEGMAN ZIVOTOFSKY,.
> Petitioner, v. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, Secretary of State,. Respondent.
>
> Coming in November: Menachem Zivotofsky v. Secretary of State ...
>
> myrightword.blogspot.com/.../coming-in-november-menache...Share
>
> Clinton (No. 10-699) will be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court in November
> 2011 and ...
>
> [PDF]
> Brief of petitioner for zivotofsky v. Clinton, 10-699
>
> www.americanbar.org/.../10-699_petitioneramcuaajlj.authchec...
>
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
> ARI Z. AND NAOMI SIEGMAN ZIVOTOFSKY,. Petitioner, v. HILLARY RODHAM
> CLINTON. SECRETARY OF STATE,. Respondent. BRIEF OF AMICUS CURIAE ...
Menachim Zivotofsky’s suit to have “Jerusalem, Israel” listed as his
> 2011 and ...
>
> [PDF]
> Brief of petitioner for zivotofsky v. Clinton, 10-699
>
> www.americanbar.org/.../10-699_petitioneramcuaajlj.authchec...
>
> File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
> ARI Z. AND NAOMI SIEGMAN ZIVOTOFSKY,. Petitioner, v. HILLARY RODHAM
> CLINTON. SECRETARY OF STATE,. Respondent. BRIEF OF AMICUS CURIAE ...
place of birth
---
dumbass jew thinks Jerusalem is in Israel.
he's obviously something other than an American.
Neolibertarian
Aug 9, 2012, 9:56:04 PM8/9/12
to
In article <UpWdnZwdyNKAqr7N...@giganews.com>,
Maybe I ought to explain something.
Or not.
I know; instead, let's listen in on this construction site conversation:
"What's goin' on boys?"
"Oh hey, Boss."
"Hey, yourself. What are you two doin' over here?"
"Well, me and Mac, we been disguss'n Charley. You're jes' gonna have ta
DO somethin' about him."
"Yeah? How's that?"
"Well, you know how he fucked up that job last week."
"Yeah, I suppose I know about it--he worked two days fixin' it."
"Yeah--well, Boss, I hate to say it, 'cause Charley's a nice enough guy
and all, and tries to be real helpful, but we gots to admit it sooner or
later--he's jes' a total fuck up."
"Hmmm."
"That Bakersfield Job two months ago--well that didn't turn out so good,
did it? Mostly 'cause he didn't get the ceiling joists in right.
'Member? Then there was last week when that wall collapsed. That was him
again--he didn't sink the anchors c'rectly. Then, today, jes' 'fore you
showed up Boss, we came by and saw him measuring the studs 2" short and
we had to tell him to do it all over again."
"Where's Charley now?"
"Well Boss, that's him down there at the far end remeasurin' the studs.
He's been at it all morning--hell, he's standing in a puddle of his own
sweat--he's been a-workin' at it so hard, and now he's gotta redo it.
It's jes' a shame he spends so much time workin' an' then works even
harder having to redo shit ALL the fuckin' time."
"So waddaya boys sugges' I do about him?"
"Well Boss, I think yore jes' gonna have to bite the bullet and git rid
of him."
"You mean I oughta FIRE him?"
"Like I said--he's a nice enough guy! Eager for any job on the site.
It's jes' we're always finding shit he's fucked up and he's always
havin' to fix this and fix that since he didn't git it right the first
time. Mac and me both agree--you're jes' gonna have to fire him."
"Well, I shore see what you mean, boys, but the simple fact of the
matter is: I CAN'T fire him."
"Hunh? How's that? Why CAN'T ya fire him? You KNOW he's a fuckup from
the time he gets here in the morning, all bright-eyed and bushy
tailed--'till he goes home at night--always slumped over,
exhausted--barely able to hold onto his empty lunchbox..."
"Boys--I CAN'T fire him, 'cause he's the one doin' all the work around
here. Now git off your asses, skedaddle over there and help him reset
those damned studs--else I'm gonna haveta fire both of YOU!"
=======================================
You know what the point is, right? It's the ancient American proverb:
"The guy making all the mistakes is the guy doing all the work."
How many doorbells did you ring?
deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah? Where were you in November 2000 and November 2004?
> >
> > Defending my Constitution from the Barbarians at the Gate, of course.
> >
> Heckuva job, Brownie, heckuva job.
Heh. Funny.
> >>
> >> Yeah? Where were you in November 2000 and November 2004?
> >
> > Defending my Constitution from the Barbarians at the Gate, of course.
> >
> Heckuva job, Brownie, heckuva job.
Maybe I ought to explain something.
Or not.
I know; instead, let's listen in on this construction site conversation:
"What's goin' on boys?"
"Oh hey, Boss."
"Hey, yourself. What are you two doin' over here?"
"Well, me and Mac, we been disguss'n Charley. You're jes' gonna have ta
DO somethin' about him."
"Yeah? How's that?"
"Well, you know how he fucked up that job last week."
"Yeah, I suppose I know about it--he worked two days fixin' it."
"Yeah--well, Boss, I hate to say it, 'cause Charley's a nice enough guy
and all, and tries to be real helpful, but we gots to admit it sooner or
later--he's jes' a total fuck up."
"Hmmm."
"That Bakersfield Job two months ago--well that didn't turn out so good,
did it? Mostly 'cause he didn't get the ceiling joists in right.
'Member? Then there was last week when that wall collapsed. That was him
again--he didn't sink the anchors c'rectly. Then, today, jes' 'fore you
showed up Boss, we came by and saw him measuring the studs 2" short and
we had to tell him to do it all over again."
"Where's Charley now?"
"Well Boss, that's him down there at the far end remeasurin' the studs.
He's been at it all morning--hell, he's standing in a puddle of his own
sweat--he's been a-workin' at it so hard, and now he's gotta redo it.
It's jes' a shame he spends so much time workin' an' then works even
harder having to redo shit ALL the fuckin' time."
"So waddaya boys sugges' I do about him?"
"Well Boss, I think yore jes' gonna have to bite the bullet and git rid
of him."
"You mean I oughta FIRE him?"
"Like I said--he's a nice enough guy! Eager for any job on the site.
It's jes' we're always finding shit he's fucked up and he's always
havin' to fix this and fix that since he didn't git it right the first
time. Mac and me both agree--you're jes' gonna have to fire him."
"Well, I shore see what you mean, boys, but the simple fact of the
matter is: I CAN'T fire him."
"Hunh? How's that? Why CAN'T ya fire him? You KNOW he's a fuckup from
the time he gets here in the morning, all bright-eyed and bushy
tailed--'till he goes home at night--always slumped over,
exhausted--barely able to hold onto his empty lunchbox..."
"Boys--I CAN'T fire him, 'cause he's the one doin' all the work around
here. Now git off your asses, skedaddle over there and help him reset
those damned studs--else I'm gonna haveta fire both of YOU!"
=======================================
You know what the point is, right? It's the ancient American proverb:
"The guy making all the mistakes is the guy doing all the work."
How many doorbells did you ring?
Neolibertarian
Aug 9, 2012, 9:59:52 PM8/9/12
to
In article <jvv6vr$dvt$1...@dont-email.me>,
Do you have a point in pasting this into the thread without any
foundation?
Damages derived from officially sanction policy? Is that it?
don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> On 8/7/2012 10:36 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
> > In article <jvq02l$i6u$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/6/2012 9:47 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
> >>
> >>> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> >>> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> >>> policies?
> >>
> >> It happens often. The suer addresses the lawsuit as 'The Person's Actual
> >> Name' as (or in the capacity of) the 'Title of Office' of 'Whatever
> >> Office of Government'.
> >
> > You're only embarrassing yourself.
> >
> > Stop while you're ahead.
> >
> > Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
> > internet into perpetuity.
> >
> > Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
> > posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
> > kind of shame upon them?
> >
> > Think man, think!
>
> Think about Z to A?
>
> Court opinions for zivotofsky v. secretary of state
A little hard to follow, to say the least.
> On 8/7/2012 10:36 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
> > In article <jvq02l$i6u$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > don Gabacho <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/6/2012 9:47 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
> >>
> >>> What makes you think a private citizen can sue a currently serving
> >>> official in an administration for grievances caused by sanctioned
> >>> policies?
> >>
> >> It happens often. The suer addresses the lawsuit as 'The Person's Actual
> >> Name' as (or in the capacity of) the 'Title of Office' of 'Whatever
> >> Office of Government'.
> >
> > You're only embarrassing yourself.
> >
> > Stop while you're ahead.
> >
> > Remember, these posts are archived at Google and other places around the
> > internet into perpetuity.
> >
> > Do you want to risk having, say, your grandchildren stumble across these
> > posts in the years to come? You want to so thoughtlessly inflict that
> > kind of shame upon them?
> >
> > Think man, think!
>
> Think about Z to A?
>
> Court opinions for zivotofsky v. secretary of state
Do you have a point in pasting this into the thread without any
foundation?
Damages derived from officially sanction policy? Is that it?
Neolibertarian
Aug 9, 2012, 10:28:02 PM8/9/12
to
In article
<b1f98863-b1ec-4cd1...@r19g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Menachim Zivotofskyąs suit to have łJerusalem, Israel˛ listed as his
Israel. They're "other than American."
Speaking of "other than American," Barack Obama certainly thinks
Jerusalem is in Israel.
Yes, his thoughts, of course, all have expiration dates.
"Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.
The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that
allows them to prosper ‹ but any agreement with the Palestinian people
must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure,
recognized and defensible borders. Jerusalem will remain the capital of
Israel, and it must remain undivided."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91150432
"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain
undivided."
The Obama supporters who pass themselves off as New York Times reporters
and Washington Post journalists were afraid they'd witnessed a gaffe at
the AIPAC speech. They couldn't let it stand. They chased down the
election team and asked for clarification.
"Did Senator Obama mean what he said about Jerusalem remaining
undivided?" they asked. They were giving Obama and his handlers an easy
way to clarify and distance themselves from the ridiculous statement.
"Of course not. Next question." came the response from the campaign
spokesman.
"Aha! We THOUGHT so."
<b1f98863-b1ec-4cd1...@r19g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Menachim Zivotofskyąs suit to have łJerusalem, Israel˛ listed as his
> place of birth
> ---
> dumbass jew thinks Jerusalem is in Israel.
> he's obviously something other than an American.
I know lots of Russian Jews, for instance who "think" Jerusalem is in
> ---
> dumbass jew thinks Jerusalem is in Israel.
> he's obviously something other than an American.
Israel. They're "other than American."
Speaking of "other than American," Barack Obama certainly thinks
Jerusalem is in Israel.
Yes, his thoughts, of course, all have expiration dates.
"Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.
The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that
allows them to prosper ‹ but any agreement with the Palestinian people
must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure,
recognized and defensible borders. Jerusalem will remain the capital of
Israel, and it must remain undivided."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91150432
"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain
undivided."
The Obama supporters who pass themselves off as New York Times reporters
and Washington Post journalists were afraid they'd witnessed a gaffe at
the AIPAC speech. They couldn't let it stand. They chased down the
election team and asked for clarification.
"Did Senator Obama mean what he said about Jerusalem remaining
undivided?" they asked. They were giving Obama and his handlers an easy
way to clarify and distance themselves from the ridiculous statement.
"Of course not. Next question." came the response from the campaign
spokesman.
"Aha! We THOUGHT so."
deadrat
Aug 10, 2012, 12:06:29 AM8/10/12
to
On 8/9/12 8:56 PM, Neolibertarian wrote:
> In article <UpWdnZwdyNKAqr7N...@giganews.com>,
> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah? Where were you in November 2000 and November 2004?
>>>
>>> Defending my Constitution from the Barbarians at the Gate, of course.
>>>
>> Heckuva job, Brownie, heckuva job.
>
> Heh. Funny.
>
> Maybe I ought to explain something.
This can't turn out well.
> In article <UpWdnZwdyNKAqr7N...@giganews.com>,
> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah? Where were you in November 2000 and November 2004?
>>>
>>> Defending my Constitution from the Barbarians at the Gate, of course.
>>>
>> Heckuva job, Brownie, heckuva job.
>
> Heh. Funny.
>
> Maybe I ought to explain something.
Well, thanks for sharing anyway.
It's the ancient American proverb:
>
> "The guy making all the mistakes is the guy doing all the work."
>
> How many doorbells did you ring?
deadrat
Aug 10, 2012, 12:22:36 AM8/10/12
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private citizen suing a currently serving official. And he's found an
interesting case, although it has no bearing on the F&F civil against
Holder.
Baby Zivotofsky as born in Jerusalem to US citizen parents, and he met
the requirements for citizenship at birth. Congress had passed a law
directing the state department to issue passports for such people
stating the place of birth as "Jerusalem, Israel." The State Department
refused to comply, and Baby Z sued Clinton, the Secretary of State,
asking that the court direct her to issue the passport as requested.
So here's a case where a private citizen has sued a public official for
a current grievance. Two things to note: 1) Baby Z isn't suing for
damages. That's not allowed, and 2) Baby Z is suing to have the
Secretary perform a ministerial duty, i.e., one in which she has no
discretion. That's required.
The State Department has claimed that the law is unconstitutional as it
interferes with the executive's conduct of foreign policy. I don't
understand the reluctance. The only relevant foreign policy issue
concerning Jerusalem is about recognizing that city as Israel's
capital. Which the passport doesn't and couldn't do. After all, part
of Jerusalem has been Israeli since 1949.
Neolibertarian
Aug 10, 2012, 9:35:24 AM8/10/12
to
In article <c62dnUlIUIVYFbnN...@giganews.com>,
deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> >
> > You know what the point is, right?
>
> You're Charley? No. Bush 43 is Charley? No, wait....
>
> Well, thanks for sharing anyway.
>
> It's the ancient American proverb:
> >
> > "The guy making all the mistakes is the guy doing all the work."
> >
> > How many doorbells did you ring?
>
> Why would you think I had to ring doorbells?
I didn't.
> >
> > You know what the point is, right?
>
> You're Charley? No. Bush 43 is Charley? No, wait....
>
> Well, thanks for sharing anyway.
>
> It's the ancient American proverb:
> >
> > "The guy making all the mistakes is the guy doing all the work."
> >
> > How many doorbells did you ring?
>
> Why would you think I had to ring doorbells?
plainolamerican
Aug 10, 2012, 3:17:54 PM8/10/12
to
On Aug 9, 9:28 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <b1f98863-b1ec-4cd1-b98b-c8e0fb9ad...@r19g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
>
> plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Menachim Zivotofsky¹s suit to have ³Jerusalem, Israel² listed as his
---
So you gotta ask the question ... When did israel's security become a
US responsibility?
Does one of the stars on 'old glory' represent israel?
Who allowed this to happen?
well, we know who allowed this happen and why ... we just weren't told
as children, learning about civics and history, that we might be
required to fund and fight for the jews in israel. US intervention in
the middle east is a waste. They are myth believing animals who teach
their children to kill each other.
Those in our government who are giving the jews our tax dollars to
prop up a religious state, using our soldiers to fight their war with
the muzzies, and allowing the zionist xians in power to relinquish
control of our nation's foreign and domestic policy is a tragedy.
They should fund their own charities and support their own religious
obligations to the jews.
The USA is a secular nation. It's way past time to replace the current
crop with secular representatives who will put the interests of the
USA first.
> In article
> <b1f98863-b1ec-4cd1-b98b-c8e0fb9ad...@r19g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
>
> plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Menachim Zivotofsky¹s suit to have ³Jerusalem, Israel² listed as his
So you gotta ask the question ... When did israel's security become a
US responsibility?
Does one of the stars on 'old glory' represent israel?
Who allowed this to happen?
well, we know who allowed this happen and why ... we just weren't told
as children, learning about civics and history, that we might be
required to fund and fight for the jews in israel. US intervention in
the middle east is a waste. They are myth believing animals who teach
their children to kill each other.
Those in our government who are giving the jews our tax dollars to
prop up a religious state, using our soldiers to fight their war with
the muzzies, and allowing the zionist xians in power to relinquish
control of our nation's foreign and domestic policy is a tragedy.
They should fund their own charities and support their own religious
obligations to the jews.
The USA is a secular nation. It's way past time to replace the current
crop with secular representatives who will put the interests of the
USA first.
Hisler
Aug 10, 2012, 5:34:57 PM8/10/12
to
On 8/4/2012 9:23 AM, don Gabacho wrote:
> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
> NBCNews.com
> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell
> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
> General Eric Holder during a ...
> <http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/03/13105010-gop-prepares-to-file-lawsuit-against-holder?lite>
> GOP prepares to file lawsuit against Holder
> NBCNews.com
> House Republicans will file a civil suit against Attorney General Eric
> Holder during the August recess, House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell
> Issa (R-CA) has told NBC News. Larry Downing / REUTERS. U.S. Attorney
> General Eric Holder during a ...
>
If the House Republicans were real men they'd march over to DOJ and
physically remove Holder from his office, rough him up, and run him out
of the District of Criminals and tell him never to come back.
BeamMeUpScotty
Aug 10, 2012, 5:47:13 PM8/10/12
to
the DOJ and actually leaves when his time in office is done.
These Obama people are Professional freeloaders, they live off the
taxpayers as a way of life, like street people live off of suckers that
fall for their scams.
My boss once told me "If you're NOT making mistakes, you're NOT doing
anything."
If true then Obama and his team must be busier than a one armed man on a
parade float waiving to the crowd.
They have made so so so soooooo many mistakes....
--
*Rumination*
#21 - You can't make chicken salad with chicken shit.
deadrat
Aug 10, 2012, 6:15:27 PM8/10/12
to
self-destruct, they let the auto industry go bankrupt, the invaded the
wrong country and couldn't find a way to get out, they fell all over
themselves looking for Bin Laden who's still laughing at them and us,
.... No wait.
I might have got some of that wrong.
BeamMeUpScotty
Aug 10, 2012, 6:27:00 PM8/10/12
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>
> I might have got some of that wrong.
And from there, IT GOT WORSE... if you can imagine that.
> I might have got some of that wrong.
--
*Rumination*
*HOW TO ALLOW AMERICA TO SURVIVE*
And give America back to Americans
Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
competition would help us get out of this depression.
End the "war on drugs" make them legal (increase competition) and sold
at any drug store and push for prostitution to be legal too, that will
take the BIG money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
hurt the human trafficking business income also. Why have illegal
prostitutes when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?
Create Bi-color money, Red money for inside the USA and Original Green
money outside the USA..... NOTHING BUT A COLOR/INK difference, and
suddenly sending red money home to Mexico would be useless as the RED
money would be useless in Mexico since the Banks and etc wouldn't accept
it abroad. All electronic money leaving the USA would be debited the
Sales tax when the money is sent/spent.
The Drug dealers would have Red money that they need to exchange for
green money, makes it hard to do in large amounts and hard to spend and
more expensive to deal with….. that *makes Drug smuggling less*
*profitable* as would dropping the income tax and installing a
NATIONAL “NEW ITEM” SALES TAX *NOT* IMPLEMENTING A VAT TAX WHICH WILL
HELP THE DRUG DEALERS and illegals by making their tax free money
leaving the country even more valuable. If they had to buy/exchange the
RED money for GREEN money then you would charge the sales tax at that
point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7FshBjkS6U&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogpile.com%2Finfo.dogpl.prefer%2Fsearch%2Fweb%3Fq%3Dportugal-legalizes-drugs--crime-usage-falls
Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment...
Maybe enact something similar to the http://fairtax.org (Federal sales
tax) *BUT NOT A VAT or VALUE ADDED TAX* with the same mendment that
removes income tax and the IRS, preferably a Federal *NEW ITEM* sales tax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7AgwtSzxt8
This will reduce the number of tax crimes that people are in jails for
and it will give the people back their privacy. It will also promote
*GREEN* living where people will save more and waste less and buy second
hand and wear things out rather than discard and buy new. Then add to
the amendment that *if congress raises any tax by* 1% *they are forced*
*to cut* every single expenditure of the *government by* 3%.
Begin to draw down troops as needed from around the world. Put half of
our military bases along the southern Border to minimize the amount of
border that the Border patrol needs to watch, the military and Federal
trespassing laws will push the illegals to spaces between the military
bases.
This tax/border policy will financially assault the drug dealers and
hookers and other underground economy's by forcing them to have to pay
tax when they *spend their money* , which will further reduce the
benefit of dealing in other illegal stuff. There needs to be one type
of dollar for use inside America and one type(color) of dollars for use
outside the USA. That will make it harder for smugglers to get money out
of the country and if they do spend it here then they will pay the sales
tax and that money is used to enforce the laws to catch smugglers and
terrorists. We are "right now" taking money from peoples pay checks
before they get them and at the same time we don't tax drug dealers
terrorists or hookers or illegals or others at all, we are penalizing
the working Americans and giving a TAX loop hole bonus to illegal
activity. Sales tax will also encourage saving money rather than
encouraging the leveraging of every dime you can borrow like income tax
does.
This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals less welfare and charge them
tax and they won't be so eager to come here and we won't need to chase
them......
End Social Security/Medicare, grandfather it out of existence.
Pass an amendment to the constitution that makes all
*laws_and_treaties* have a seven year sunset clause, and it requires
that each law/treaty be voted by a separate roll call vote every seven
years to continue to be maintained in our laws.
There should also be some constitutional amendments to stifle congress'
borrowing and spending making it more difficult for that process. And a
constitutional amendment to limit the Interstate Commerce Clause. The
politicians use that clause to justify all sorts of socialist crap. The
founding fathers never meant for it to be so broadly applied. Limit it
with an amendment, so government can't justify every crazy idea by
saying its legal under the interstate commerce clause.
Pass another amendment creating term limits on congress so the House
has 6 terms and the Senate has 2 terms, for a total of 12 years in
either side of congress. WE NEED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM PASSING FRIVOLOUS
LAWS TAXES AND BORROWING AND ENDLESSLY PRINTING MONEY.
To quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we need to
take away congress' ability to "social engineer" businesses or private
people by removing the governments use of tax code to manipulate people.
Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they meet the
income of the government. The best way, is to
*use_both_cutting_and_taxing* , the Congress should implement a rule to
force an across the board spending freeze/cap (That only allows cutting
spending) and then across the board cuts on the government spending, to
do that we have to include a law in our TAX amendment to the
constitution that can't be easily circumvented, to force them to cut
spending 3% for every 1% Congress raise taxes. So any federal sales tax
increase would result in automatic spending cuts using a baseline of 10%
taxes.
And we need to give up our roll as the police man of the world, let
them fight their own fights. We also need fewer crimes for people to be
committing, we need fewer police and prisons to support.... the above
drug and tax plan, will reduce police and prison needs by at least that
10% that this plan suggested cutting each year.
NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to private people by 10%
each year until it is 10% of today's cost. Any way you look at it, we're
in DEEP for a long time.
deadrat
Aug 10, 2012, 7:03:01 PM8/10/12
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the auto industry is still up and running, we're getting out of Iraq,
and Bin Laden isn't making any more of his famous tapes.
So you'll have to imagine an alternate universe.
Neolibertarian
Aug 11, 2012, 9:58:28 AM8/11/12
to
In article
<14bc3f1a-df6b-4e1d...@u7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
> Does one of the stars on 'old glory' represent israel?
> Who allowed this to happen?
The Soviet Union made it absolutely necessary to make "Israel's security...a US responsibility."
> well, we know who allowed this happen and why ... we just weren't told
> as children, learning about civics and history, that we might be
> required to fund and fight for the jews in israel.
We funded and fought a war for the French in 1917. We funded and fought
a war for them (and against them) again in 1941. We funded and fought a
war for the Chinese and Filipinos that same year.
You can say about WWII: Well, we were attacked on our own soil by the
Japanese. But the fact of the matter is, Oahu wasn't the United States
in 1941. The US fleet had only recently moved there, in an inarguably
provocative ploy by the Roosevelt administration.
And being attacked at Oahu had nothing whatsoever to do with the
Germans, did it? The Germans would declare war on the US, not in
solidarity with the Tokyo, but because they were already under attack by
the US--FDR had been waging a secret (and illegal) war against them in
the Atlantic all year.
In 1942, why would we only send a single Marine division to Guadalcanal
to fight the Japanese, while sending what amounted to a double ARMY to
fight the French in North Africa? After all, the French never declared
war against the United States, did they?
Your answer depends upon your point of view, obviously.
Under nearly constant self-criticism, the US waged a war of containment
against the USSR and the PRC from 1946-1989.
The usual criticism took the form of your question: "When did [nation
X]'s security become a US responsibility?"
Nearly 100,000 Americans would die in the Cold War. About 4 times that
number were maimed and wounded, many became broken men, haunted by their
fate for the rest of their lives.
At our hand, millions, heartbreaking millions of foreign nationals,
combatants and non-combatants alike, would also die in the Cold War.
To what purpose?
Again, your answer depends upon your point of view.
You're an adult, remember. You're not allowed to answer "none."
> US intervention in
> the middle east is a waste. They are myth believing animals who teach
> their children to kill each other.
And yet, I can assure you, you'd very much miss Israel if she disappeared.
You might even be the first to demand "Why didn't the US prevent" what undoubtedly happens next.
> They should fund their own charities and support their own religious
> obligations to the jews.
"They" do, of course.
If you don't recognize their arguments, you're bound to lose the debate.
<14bc3f1a-df6b-4e1d...@u7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-
> negotiable.
> The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and
> that
> allows them to prosper ‹ but any agreement with the Palestinian people
> must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure,
> recognized and defensible borders. Jerusalem will remain the capital
> of
> Israel, and it must remain undivided."
> ---
> So you gotta ask the question ... When did israel's security become a
> US responsibility?
1956, of course. when Gamal Nasser came to power Egypt.
>
> "Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-
> negotiable.
> The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and
> that
> allows them to prosper ‹ but any agreement with the Palestinian people
> must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure,
> recognized and defensible borders. Jerusalem will remain the capital
> of
> Israel, and it must remain undivided."
> ---
> So you gotta ask the question ... When did israel's security become a
> US responsibility?
> Does one of the stars on 'old glory' represent israel?
> Who allowed this to happen?
> well, we know who allowed this happen and why ... we just weren't told
> as children, learning about civics and history, that we might be
> required to fund and fight for the jews in israel.
a war for them (and against them) again in 1941. We funded and fought a
war for the Chinese and Filipinos that same year.
You can say about WWII: Well, we were attacked on our own soil by the
Japanese. But the fact of the matter is, Oahu wasn't the United States
in 1941. The US fleet had only recently moved there, in an inarguably
provocative ploy by the Roosevelt administration.
And being attacked at Oahu had nothing whatsoever to do with the
Germans, did it? The Germans would declare war on the US, not in
solidarity with the Tokyo, but because they were already under attack by
the US--FDR had been waging a secret (and illegal) war against them in
the Atlantic all year.
In 1942, why would we only send a single Marine division to Guadalcanal
to fight the Japanese, while sending what amounted to a double ARMY to
fight the French in North Africa? After all, the French never declared
war against the United States, did they?
Your answer depends upon your point of view, obviously.
Under nearly constant self-criticism, the US waged a war of containment
against the USSR and the PRC from 1946-1989.
The usual criticism took the form of your question: "When did [nation
X]'s security become a US responsibility?"
Nearly 100,000 Americans would die in the Cold War. About 4 times that
number were maimed and wounded, many became broken men, haunted by their
fate for the rest of their lives.
At our hand, millions, heartbreaking millions of foreign nationals,
combatants and non-combatants alike, would also die in the Cold War.
To what purpose?
Again, your answer depends upon your point of view.
You're an adult, remember. You're not allowed to answer "none."
> US intervention in
> the middle east is a waste. They are myth believing animals who teach
> their children to kill each other.
You might even be the first to demand "Why didn't the US prevent" what undoubtedly happens next.
>
> Those in our government who are giving the jews our tax dollars to
> prop up a religious state, using our soldiers to fight their war with
> the muzzies, and allowing the zionist xians in power to relinquish
> control of our nation's foreign and domestic policy is a tragedy.
It's not calculus or trigonometry. What's so hard about doing the math?
> Those in our government who are giving the jews our tax dollars to
> prop up a religious state, using our soldiers to fight their war with
> the muzzies, and allowing the zionist xians in power to relinquish
> control of our nation's foreign and domestic policy is a tragedy.
> They should fund their own charities and support their own religious
> obligations to the jews.
>
> The USA is a secular nation. It's way past time to replace the current
> crop with secular representatives who will put the interests of the
> USA first.
They would argue that's exactly what they're doing.
> The USA is a secular nation. It's way past time to replace the current
> crop with secular representatives who will put the interests of the
> USA first.
If you don't recognize their arguments, you're bound to lose the debate.
Harold Burton
Aug 11, 2012, 10:24:16 AM8/11/12
to
In article <k05oe4$4aj$1...@dont-email.me>,
> You can say about WWII: Well, we were attacked on our own soil . . .
Stolen soil we were illegally occupying.
> by the Japanese.
snicker
Stolen soil we were illegally occupying.
> by the Japanese.
snicker
BeamMeUpScotty
Aug 11, 2012, 11:33:35 AM8/11/12
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Plantation Federal Bank Pawleys Island SC 32503 First Federal Bank
April 27, 2012 May 30, 2012
Inter Savings Bank, fsb D/B/A InterBank, fsb Maple Grove MN 31495
Great Southern Bank April 27, 2012 May 15, 2012
HarVest Bank of Maryland Gaithersburg MD 57766 Sonabank April 27,
2012 May 15, 2012
Bank of the Eastern Shore Cambridge MD 26759 No Acquirer April 27,
2012 May 24, 2012
Fort Lee Federal Savings Bank, FSB Fort Lee NJ 35527 Alma Bank
April 20, 2012 April 24, 2012
Fidelity Bank Dearborn MI 33883 The Huntington National Bank March
30, 2012 July 26, 2012
Premier Bank Wilmette IL 35419 International Bank of Chicago March
23, 2012 July 26, 2012
Covenant Bank & Trust Rock Spring GA 58068 Stearns Bank, N.A. March
23, 2012 May 24, 2012
New City Bank Chicago IL 57597 No Acquirer March 9, 2012 July 26, 2012
Global Commerce Bank Doraville GA 34046 Metro City Bank March 2,
2012 May 24, 2012
Home Savings of America Little Falls MN 29178 No Acquirer February
24, 2012 July 26, 2012
Central Bank of Georgia Ellaville GA 5687 Ameris Bank February 24,
2012 June 18, 2012
SCB Bank Shelbyville IN 29761 First Merchants Bank, National
Association February 10, 2012 July 26, 2012
Charter National Bank and Trust Hoffman Estates IL 23187 Barrington
Bank & Trust Company, National Association February 10, 2012 July 26, 2012
BankEast Knoxville TN 19869 U.S.Bank National Association January
27, 2012 May 24, 2012
Patriot Bank Minnesota Forest Lake MN 34823 First Resource Bank
January 27, 2012 July 26, 2012
Tennessee Commerce Bank Franklin TN 35296 Republic Bank & Trust
Company January 27, 2012 May 24, 2012
First Guaranty Bank and Trust Company of Jacksonville Jacksonville
FL 16579 CenterState Bank of Florida, N.A. January 27, 2012 May 24, 2012
American Eagle Savings Bank Boothwyn PA 31581 Capital Bank, N.A.
January 20, 2012 July 26, 2012
The First State Bank Stockbridge GA 19252 Hamilton State Bank
January 20, 2012 May 24, 2012
Central Florida State Bank Belleview FL 57186 CenterState Bank of
Florida, N.A. January 20, 2012 May 24, 2012
Western National Bank Phoenix AZ 57917 Washington Federal December
16, 2011 March 8, 2012
Premier Community Bank of the Emerald Coast Crestview FL 58343
Summit Bank December 16, 2011 March 8, 2012
Central Progressive Bank Lacombe LA 19657 First NBC Bank November
18, 2011 March 8, 2012
Polk County Bank Johnston IA 14194 Grinnell State Bank November 18,
2011 July 26, 2012
Community Bank of Rockmart Rockmart GA 57860 Century Bank of
Georgia November 10, 2011 March 8, 2012
SunFirst Bank Saint George UT 57087 Cache Valley Bank November 4,
2011 March 8, 2012
Mid City Bank, Inc. Omaha NE 19397 Premier Bank November 4, 2011
July 26, 2012
All American Bank Des Plaines IL 57759 International Bank of
Chicago October 28, 2011 July 26, 2012
Community Banks of Colorado Greenwood Village CO 21132 Bank Midwest,
N.A. October 21, 2011 March 8, 2012
Community Capital Bank Jonesboro GA 57036 State Bank and Trust
Company October 21, 2011 March 8, 2012
Decatur First Bank Decatur GA 34392 Fidelity Bank October 21,
2011 March 8, 2012
Old Harbor Bank Clearwater FL 57537 1st United Bank October 21,
2011 March 8, 2012
Country Bank Aledo IL 35395 Blackhawk Bank & Trust October 14,
2011 July 26, 2012
First State Bank Cranford NJ 58046 Northfield Bank October 14,
2011 July 26, 2012
Blue Ridge Savings Bank, Inc. Asheville NC 32347 Bank of North
Carolina October 14, 2011 March 8, 2012
Piedmont Community Bank Gray GA 57256 State Bank and Trust Company
October 14, 2011 March 8, 2012
Sun Security Bank Ellington MO 20115 Great Southern Bank October 7,
2011 March 8, 2012
The RiverBank Wyoming MN 10216 Central Bank October 7, 2011 July
26, 2012
First International Bank Plano TX 33513 American First National
Bank September 30, 2011 March 8, 2012
Citizens Bank of Northern California Nevada City CA 33983 Tri
Counties Bank September 23, 2011 March 8, 2012
Bank of the Commonwealth Norfolk VA 20408 Southern Bank and Trust
Company September 23, 2011 July 26, 2012
First National Bank of Florida Milton FL 25155 CharterBank
September 9, 2011 March 8, 2012
CreekSide Bank Woodstock GA 58226 Georgia Commerce Bank September
2, 2011 March 8, 2012
Patriot Bank of Georgia Cumming GA 58273 Georgia Commerce Bank
September 2, 2011 March 8, 2012
First Choice Bank Geneva IL 57212 Inland Bank & Trust August 19,
2011 July 26, 2012
First Southern National Bank Statesboro GA 57239 Heritage Bank of
the South August 19, 2011 March 8, 2012
Lydian Private Bank Palm Beach FL 35356 Sabadell United Bank, N.A.
August 19, 2011 May 10, 2012
Public Savings Bank Huntingdon Valley PA 34130 Capital Bank, N.A.
August 18, 2011 July 26, 2012
The First National Bank of Olathe Olathe KS 4744 Enterprise Bank &
Trust August 12, 2011 May 10, 2012
Bank of Whitman Colfax WA 22528 Columbia State Bank August 5,
2011 May 10, 2012
Bank of Shorewood Shorewood IL 22637 Heartland Bank and Trust
Company August 5, 2011 August 10, 2012
Integra Bank National Association Evansville IN 4392 Old National
Bank July 29, 2011 August 10, 2012
BankMeridian, N.A. Columbia SC 58222 SCBT National Association July
29, 2011 August 9, 2012
Virginia Business Bank Richmond VA 58283 Xenith Bank July 29,
2011 August 9, 2012
Bank of Choice Greeley CO 2994 Bank Midwest, N.A. July 22, 2011
August 9, 2012
LandMark Bank of Florida Sarasota FL 35244 American Momentum Bank
July 22, 2011 August 9, 2012
Southshore Community Bank Apollo Beach FL 58056 American Momentum
Bank July 22, 2011 August 10, 2012
Summit Bank Prescott AZ 57442 The Foothills Bank July 15, 2011 May
10, 2012
First Peoples Bank Port St. Lucie FL 34870 Premier American Bank,
N.A. July 15, 2011 August 9, 2012
High Trust Bank Stockbridge GA 19554 Ameris Bank July 15, 2011
August 9, 2012
One Georgia Bank Atlanta GA 58238 Ameris Bank July 15, 2011 August
9, 2012
Signature Bank Windsor CO 57835 Points West Community Bank July 8,
2011 June 11, 2012
Colorado Capital Bank Castle Rock CO 34522 First-Citizens Bank &
Trust Company July 8, 2011 May 10, 2012
First Chicago Bank & Trust Chicago IL 27935 Northbrook Bank & Trust
Company July 8, 2011 July 26, 2012
Mountain Heritage Bank Clayton GA 57593 First American Bank and
Trust Company June 24, 2011 May 10, 2012
First Commercial Bank of Tampa Bay Tampa FL 27583 Stonegate Bank
June 17, 2011 May 10, 2012
McIntosh State Bank Jackson GA 19237 Hamilton State Bank June 17,
2011 May 10, 2012
Atlantic Bank and Trust Charleston SC 58420 First Citizens Bank and
Trust Company, Inc. June 3, 2011 May 10, 2012
First Heritage Bank Snohomish WA 23626 Columbia State Bank May 27,
2011 June 5, 2012
Summit Bank Burlington WA 513 Columbia State Bank May 20, 2011
March 8, 2012
First Georgia Banking Company Franklin GA 57647 CertusBank, National
Association May 20, 2011 May 7, 2012
Atlantic Southern Bank Macon GA 57213 CertusBank, National
Association May 20, 2011 June 4, 2012
Coastal Bank Cocoa Beach FL 34898 Florida Community Bank, a division
of Premier American Bank, N.A. May 6, 2011 May 7, 2012
Community Central Bank Mount Clemens MI 34234 Talmer Bank & Trust
April 29, 2011 July 26, 2012
The Park Avenue Bank Valdosta GA 19797 Bank of the Ozarks April 29,
2011 May 7, 2012
First Choice Community Bank Dallas GA 58539 Bank of the Ozarks
April 29, 2011 May 7, 2012
Cortez Community Bank Brooksville FL 57625 Florida Community Bank, a
division of Premier American Bank, N.A. April 29, 2011 May 7, 2012
First National Bank of Central Florida Winter Park FL 26297 Florida
Community Bank, a division of Premier American Bank, N.A. April 29,
2011 May 7, 2012
Heritage Banking Group Carthage MS 14273 Trustmark National Bank
April 15, 2011 May 17, 2012
Rosemount National Bank Rosemount MN 24099 Central Bank April 15,
2011 July 26, 2012
Superior Bank Birmingham AL 17750 Superior Bank, National
Association April 15, 2011 May 7, 2012
Nexity Bank Birmingham AL 19794 AloStar Bank of Commerce April 15,
2011 May 17, 2012
New Horizons Bank East Ellijay GA 57705 Citizens South Bank April
15, 2011 May 17, 2012
Bartow County Bank Cartersville GA 21495 Hamilton State Bank April
15, 2011 May 7, 2012
Nevada Commerce Bank Las Vegas NV 35418 City National Bank April 8,
2011 May 7, 2012
Western Springs National Bank and Trust Western Springs IL 10086
Heartland Bank and Trust Company April 8, 2011 July 26, 2012
The Bank of Commerce Wood Dale IL 34292 Advantage National Bank
Group March 25, 2011 July 26, 2012
Legacy Bank Milwaukee WI 34818 Seaway Bank and Trust Company March
11, 2011 August 8, 2012
First National Bank of Davis Davis OK 4077 The Pauls Valley National
Bank March 11, 2011 May 7, 2012
Valley Community Bank St. Charles IL 34187 First State Bank
February 25, 2011 July 26, 2012
San Luis Trust Bank, FSB San Luis Obispo CA 34783 First California
Bank February 18, 2011 March 8, 2012
Charter Oak Bank Napa CA 57855 Bank of Marin February 18, 2011
March 8, 2012
Citizens Bank of Effingham Springfield GA 34601 Heritage Bank of the
South February 18, 2011 March 8, 2012
Habersham Bank Clarkesville GA 151 SCBT National Association
February 18, 2011 March 8, 2012
Canyon National Bank Palm Springs CA 34692 Pacific Premier Bank
February 11, 2011 March 8, 2012
Badger State Bank Cassville WI 13272 Royal Bank February 11, 2011
July 26, 2012
Peoples State Bank Hamtramck MI 14939 First Michigan Bank February
11, 2011 July 26, 2012
Sunshine State Community Bank Port Orange FL 35478 Premier American
Bank, N.A. February 11, 2011 March 8, 2012
Community First Bank Chicago Chicago IL 57948 Northbrook Bank &
Trust Company February 4, 2011 July 26, 2012
North Georgia Bank Watkinsville GA 35242 BankSouth February 4,
2011 March 8, 2012
American Trust Bank Roswell GA 57432 Renasant Bank February 4,
2011 March 8, 2012
First Community Bank Taos NM 12261 U.S. Bank, N.A. January 28,
2011 March 8, 2012
FirsTier Bank Louisville CO 57646 No Acquirer January 28, 2011
March 8, 2012
Evergreen State Bank Stoughton WI 5328 McFarland State Bank January
28, 2011 July 26, 2012
The First State Bank Camargo OK 2303 Bank 7 January 28, 2011 March
8, 2012
United Western Bank Denver CO 31293 First-Citizens Bank & Trust
Company January 21, 2011 March 8, 2012
The Bank of Asheville Asheville NC 34516 First Bank January 21,
2011 March 9, 2012
CommunitySouth Bank & Trust Easley SC 57868 CertusBank, National
Association January 21, 2011 March 8, 2012
Enterprise Banking Company McDonough GA 19758 No Acquirer January
21, 2011 March 8, 2012
Oglethorpe Bank Brunswick GA 57440 Bank of the Ozarks January 14,
2011 March 8, 2012
Legacy Bank Scottsdale AZ 57820 Enterprise Bank & Trust January 7,
2011 March 8, 2012
First Commercial Bank of Florida Orlando FL 34965 First Southern
Bank January 7, 2011 March 8, 2012
Community National Bank Lino Lakes MN 23306 Farmers & Merchants
Savings Bank December 17, 2010 July 26, 2012
First Southern Bank Batesville AR 58052 Southern Bank December 17,
2010 May 22, 2012
United Americas Bank, N.A. Atlanta GA 35065 State Bank and Trust
Company December 17, 2010 May 22, 2012
Appalachian Community Bank, FSB McCaysville GA 58495 Peoples Bank of
East Tennessee December 17, 2010 May 22, 2012
Chestatee State Bank Dawsonville GA 34578 Bank of the Ozarks
December 17, 2010 May 22, 2012
The Bank of Miami,N.A. Coral Gables FL 19040 1st United Bank
December 17, 2010 May 22, 2012
Earthstar Bank Southampton PA 35561 Polonia Bank December 10,
2010 July 26, 2012
Paramount Bank Farmington Hills MI 34673 Level One Bank December
10, 2010 July 26, 2012
First Banking Center Burlington WI 5287 First Michigan Bank
November 19, 2010 July 26, 2012
Allegiance Bank of North America Bala Cynwyd PA 35078 VIST Bank
November 19, 2010 July 26, 2012
Gulf State Community Bank Carrabelle FL 20340 Centennial Bank
November 19, 2010 May 22, 2012
Copper Star Bank Scottsdale AZ 35463 Stearns Bank, N.A. November
12, 2010 May 22, 2012
Darby Bank & Trust Co. Vidalia GA 14580 Ameris Bank November 12,
2010 May 22, 2012
Tifton Banking Company Tifton GA 57831 Ameris Bank November 12,
2010 May 22, 2012
First Vietnamese American Bank
In Vietnamese Westminster CA 57885 Grandpoint Bank November 5,
2010 May 22, 2012
Pierce Commercial Bank Tacoma WA 34411 Heritage Bank November 5,
2010 May 22, 2012
Western Commercial Bank Woodland Hills CA 58087 First California
Bank November 5, 2010 May 22, 2012
K Bank Randallstown MD 31263 Manufacturers and Traders Trust Company
(M&T Bank) November 5, 2010 July 26, 2012
First Arizona Savings, A FSB Scottsdale AZ 32582 No Acquirer
October 22, 2010 May 22, 2012
Hillcrest Bank Overland Park KS 22173 Hillcrest Bank, N.A. October
22, 2010 May 22, 2012
First Suburban National Bank Maywood IL 16089 Seaway Bank and Trust
Company October 22, 2010 July 26, 2012
The First National Bank of Barnesville Barnesville GA 2119 United
Bank October 22, 2010 May 22, 2012
The Gordon Bank Gordon GA 33904 Morris Bank October 22, 2010 May
22, 2012
Progress Bank of Florida Tampa FL 32251 Bay Cities Bank October 22,
2010 May 22, 2012
First Bank of Jacksonville Jacksonville FL 27573 Ameris Bank
October 22, 2010 May 22, 2012
Premier Bank Jefferson City MO 34016 Providence Bank October 15,
2010 May 22, 2012
WestBridge Bank and Trust Company Chesterfield MO 58205 Midland
States Bank October 15, 2010 May 22, 2012
Security Savings Bank, F.S.B. Olathe KS 30898 Simmons First National
Bank October 15, 2010 May 22, 2012
Shoreline Bank Shoreline WA 35250 GBC International Bank October 1,
2010 May 22, 2012
Wakulla Bank Crawfordville FL 21777 Centennial Bank October 1,
2010 May 22, 2012
North County Bank Arlington WA 35053 Whidbey Island Bank September
24, 2010 May 22, 2012
Haven Trust Bank Florida Ponte Vedra Beach FL 58308 First Southern
Bank September 24, 2010 May 22, 2012
Maritime Savings Bank West Allis WI 28612 North Shore Bank, FSB
September 17, 2010 July 26, 2012
Bramble Savings Bank Milford OH 27808 Foundation Bank September 17,
2010 July 26, 2012
The Peoples Bank Winder GA 182 Community & Southern Bank September
17, 2010 May 22, 2012
First Commerce Community Bank Douglasville GA 57448 Community &
Southern Bank September 17, 2010 May 22, 2012
Bank of Ellijay Ellijay GA 58197 Community & Southern Bank
September 17, 2010 May 22, 2012
ISN Bank Cherry Hill NJ 57107 Customers Bank September 17, 2010
July 26, 2012
Horizon Bank Bradenton FL 35061 Bank of the Ozarks September 10,
2010 May 22, 2012
Sonoma Valley Bank Sonoma CA 27259 Westamerica Bank August 20,
2010 May 22, 2012
Los Padres Bank Solvang CA 32165 Pacific Western Bank August 20,
2010 May 22, 2012
Butte Community Bank Chico CA 33219 Rabobank, N.A. August 20,
2010 May 22, 2012
Pacific State Bank Stockton CA 27090 Rabobank, N.A. August 20,
2010 May 22, 2012
ShoreBank Chicago IL 15640 Urban Partnership Bank August 20, 2010
July 26, 2012
Imperial Savings and Loan Association Martinsville VA 31623 River
Community Bank, N.A. August 20, 2010 July 26, 2012
Independent National Bank Ocala FL 27344 CenterState Bank of
Florida, N.A. August 20, 2010 May 22, 2012
Community National Bank at Bartow Bartow FL 25266 CenterState Bank
of Florida, N.A. August 20, 2010 May 22, 2012
Palos Bank and Trust Company Palos Heights IL 17599 First Midwest
Bank August 13, 2010 July 26, 2012
Ravenswood Bank Chicago IL 34231 Northbrook Bank & Trust Company
August 6, 2010 July 26, 2012
LibertyBank Eugene OR 31964 Home Federal Bank July 30, 2010 May
22, 2012
The Cowlitz Bank Longview WA 22643 Heritage Bank July 30, 2010 May
22, 2012
Coastal Community Bank Panama City Beach FL 9619 Centennial Bank
July 30, 2010 May 22, 2012
Bayside Savings Bank Port Saint Joe FL 57669 Centennial Bank July
30, 2010 May 22, 2012
Northwest Bank & Trust Acworth GA 57658 State Bank and Trust
Company July 30, 2010 May 22, 2012
Home Valley Bank Cave Junction OR 23181 South Valley Bank & Trust
July 23, 2010 May 22, 2012
SouthwestUSA Bank Las Vegas NV 35434 Plaza Bank July 23, 2010 May
22, 2012
Community Security Bank New Prague MN 34486 Roundbank July 23,
2010 July 26, 2012
Thunder Bank Sylvan Grove KS 10506 The Bennington State Bank July
23, 2010 May 22, 2012
Williamsburg First National Bank Kingstree SC 17837 First Citizens
Bank and Trust Company, Inc. July 23, 2010 May 22, 2012
Crescent Bank and Trust Company Jasper GA 27559 Renasant Bank July
23, 2010 May 22, 2012
Sterling Bank Lantana FL 32536 IBERIABANK July 23, 2010 May 22, 2012
Mainstreet Savings Bank, FSB Hastings MI 28136 Commercial Bank July
16, 2010 July 26, 2012
Olde Cypress Community Bank Clewiston FL 28864 CenterState Bank of
Florida, N.A. July 16, 2010 May 22, 2012
Turnberry Bank Aventura FL 32280 NAFH National Bank July 16, 2010
May 22, 2012
Metro Bank of Dade County Miami FL 25172 NAFH National Bank July
16, 2010 May 22, 2012
First National Bank of the South Spartanburg SC 35383 NAFH National
Bank July 16, 2010 May 22, 2012
Woodlands Bank Bluffton SC 32571 Bank of the Ozarks July 16, 2010
May 22, 2012
Home National Bank Blackwell OK 11636 RCB Bank July 9, 2010 May
31, 2012
USA Bank Port Chester NY 58072 New Century Bank July 9, 2010 July
26, 2012
Ideal Federal Savings Bank Baltimore MD 32456 No Acquirer July 9,
2010 July 26, 2012
Bay National Bank Baltimore MD 35462 Bay Bank, FSB July 9, 2010
July 26, 2012
High Desert State Bank Albuquerque NM 35279 First American Bank
June 25, 2010 May 22, 2012
First National Bank Savannah GA 34152 The Savannah Bank, N.A. June
25, 2010 May 22, 2012
Peninsula Bank Englewood FL 26563 Premier American Bank, N.A. June
25, 2010 May 22, 2012
Nevada Security Bank Reno NV 57110 Umpqua Bank June 18, 2010 May
22, 2012
Washington First International Bank Seattle WA 32955 East West
Bank June 11, 2010 May 22, 2012
TierOne Bank Lincoln NE 29341 Great Western Bank June 4, 2010 May
22, 2012
Arcola Homestead Savings Bank Arcola IL 31813 No Acquirer June 4,
2010 May 22, 2012
First National Bank Rosedale MS 15814 The Jefferson Bank June 4,
2010 May 22, 2012
Sun West Bank Las Vegas NV 34785 City National Bank May 28, 2010
May 23, 2012
Granite Community Bank, NA Granite Bay CA 57315 Tri Counties Bank
May 28, 2010 May 23, 2012
Bank of Florida - Tampa Tampa FL 57814 EverBank May 28, 2010 May
23, 2012
Bank of Florida - Southwest Naples FL 35106 EverBank May 28, 2010
May 23, 2012
Bank of Florida - Southeast Fort Lauderdale FL 57360 EverBank May
28, 2010 May 23, 2012
Pinehurst Bank Saint Paul MN 57735 Coulee Bank May 21, 2010 May
23, 2012
Midwest Bank and Trust Company Elmwood Park IL 18117 FirstMerit
Bank, N.A. May 14, 2010 May 23, 2012
Southwest Community Bank Springfield MO 34255 Simmons First National
Bank May 14, 2010 May 23, 2012
New Liberty Bank Plymouth MI 35586 Bank of Ann Arbor May 14, 2010
May 23, 2012
Satilla Community Bank Saint Marys GA 35114 Ameris Bank May 14,
2010 May 23, 2012
1st Pacific Bank of California San Diego CA 35517 City National
Bank May 7, 2010 May 23, 2012
Towne Bank of Arizona Mesa AZ 57697 Commerce Bank of Arizona May 7,
2010 May 23, 2012
Access Bank Champlin MN 16476 PrinsBank May 7, 2010 May 23, 2012
The Bank of Bonifay Bonifay FL 14246 First Federal Bank of Florida
May 7, 2010 May 23, 2012
Frontier Bank Everett WA 22710 Union Bank, N.A. April 30, 2010 May
23, 2012
BC National Banks Butler MO 17792 Community First Bank April 30,
2010 May 23, 2012
Champion Bank Creve Coeur MO 58362 BankLiberty April 30, 2010 May
23, 2012
CF Bancorp Port Huron MI 30005 First Michigan Bank April 30, 2010
May 23, 2012
Westernbank Puerto Rico
En Español Mayaguez PR 31027 Banco Popular de Puerto Rico April 30,
2010 May 23, 2012
R-G Premier Bank of Puerto Rico
En Español Hato Rey PR 32185 Scotiabank de Puerto Rico April 30,
2010 May 23, 2012
Eurobank
En Español San Juan PR 27150 Oriental Bank and Trust April 30,
2010 May 23, 2012
Wheatland Bank Naperville IL 58429 Wheaton Bank & Trust April 23,
2010 May 23, 2012
Peotone Bank and Trust Company Peotone IL 10888 First Midwest Bank
April 23, 2010 May 23, 2012
Lincoln Park Savings Bank Chicago IL 30600 Northbrook Bank & Trust
Company April 23, 2010 May 23, 2012
New Century Bank Chicago IL 34821 MB Financial Bank, N.A. April 23,
2010 May 23, 2012
Citizens Bank and Trust Company of Chicago Chicago IL 34658 Republic
Bank of Chicago April 23, 2010 May 23, 2012
Broadway Bank Chicago IL 22853 MB Financial Bank, N.A. April 23,
2010 May 23, 2012
Amcore Bank, National Association Rockford IL 3735 Harris N.A.
April 23, 2010 May 23, 2012
City Bank Lynnwood WA 21521 Whidbey Island Bank April 16, 2010 May
23, 2012
Tamalpais Bank San Rafael CA 33493 Union Bank, N.A. April 16,
2010 May 23, 2012
Innovative Bank Oakland CA 23876 Center Bank April 16, 2010 May
23, 2012
Butler Bank Lowell MA 26619 People's United Bank April 16, 2010
May 23, 2012
Riverside National Bank of Florida Fort Pierce FL 24067 TD Bank,
N.A. April 16, 2010 May 23, 2012
AmericanFirst Bank Clermont FL 57724 TD Bank, N.A. April 16, 2010
May 23, 2012
First Federal Bank of North Florida Palatka FL 28886 TD Bank, N.A.
April 16, 2010 May 23, 2012
Lakeside Community Bank Sterling Heights MI 34878 No Acquirer April
16, 2010 May 23, 2012
Beach First National Bank Myrtle Beach SC 34242 Bank of North
Carolina April 9, 2010 May 23, 2012
Desert Hills Bank Phoenix AZ 57060 New York Community Bank March
26, 2010 May 23, 2012
Unity National Bank Cartersville GA 34678 Bank of the Ozarks March
26, 2010 May 23, 2012
Key West Bank Key West FL 34684 Centennial Bank March 26, 2010 May
23, 2012
McIntosh Commercial Bank Carrollton GA 57399 CharterBank March 26,
2010 May 23, 2012
State Bank of Aurora Aurora MN 8221 Northern State Bank March 19,
2010 May 23, 2012
First Lowndes Bank Fort Deposit AL 24957 First Citizens Bank March
19, 2010 May 23, 2012
Bank of Hiawassee Hiawassee GA 10054 Citizens South Bank March 19,
2010 May 23, 2012
Appalachian Community Bank Ellijay GA 33989 Community & Southern
Bank March 19, 2010 May 23, 2012
Advanta Bank Corp. Draper UT 33535 No Acquirer March 19, 2010 May
23, 2012
Century Security Bank Duluth GA 58104 Bank of Upson March 19,
2010 May 23, 2012
American National Bank Parma OH 18806 The National Bank and Trust
Company March 19, 2010 May 23, 2012
Statewide Bank Covington LA 29561 Home Bank March 12, 2010 May 23,
2012
Old Southern Bank Orlando FL 58182 Centennial Bank March 12, 2010
May 23, 2012
The Park Avenue Bank New York NY 27096 Valley National Bank March
12, 2010 May 23, 2012
LibertyPointe Bank New York NY 58071 Valley National Bank March 11,
2010 May 23, 2012
Centennial Bank Ogden UT 34430 No Acquirer March 5, 2010 May 23, 2012
Waterfield Bank Germantown MD 34976 No Acquirer March 5, 2010 May
23, 2012
Bank of Illinois Normal IL 9268 Heartland Bank and Trust Company
March 5, 2010 May 23, 2012
Sun American Bank Boca Raton FL 27126 First-Citizens Bank & Trust
Company March 5, 2010 May 23, 2012
Rainier Pacific Bank Tacoma WA 38129 Umpqua Bank February 26,
2010 May 23, 2012
Carson River Community Bank Carson City NV 58352 Heritage Bank of
Nevada February 26, 2010 May 23, 2012
La Jolla Bank, FSB La Jolla CA 32423 OneWest Bank, FSB February 19,
2010 May 23, 2012
George Washington Savings Bank Orland Park IL 29952 FirstMerit Bank,
N.A. February 19, 2010 May 23, 2012
The La Coste National Bank La Coste TX 3287 Community National
Bank February 19, 2010 May 23, 2012
Marco Community Bank Marco Island FL 57586 Mutual of Omaha Bank
February 19, 2010 May 23, 2012
1st American State Bank of Minnesota Hancock MN 15448 Community
Development Bank, FSB February 5, 2010 May 23, 2012
American Marine Bank Bainbridge Island WA 16730 Columbia State
Bank January 29, 2010 May 23, 2012
First Regional Bank Los Angeles CA 23011 First-Citizens Bank & Trust
Company January 29, 2010 May 23, 2012
Community Bank and Trust Cornelia GA 5702 SCBT National
Association January 29, 2010 May 23, 2012
Marshall Bank, N.A. Hallock MN 16133 United Valley Bank January 29,
2010 May 23, 2012
Florida Community Bank Immokalee FL 5672 Premier American Bank,
N.A. January 29, 2010 May 23, 2012
First National Bank of Georgia Carrollton GA 16480 Community &
Southern Bank January 29, 2010 May 23, 2012
Columbia River Bank The Dalles OR 22469 Columbia State Bank January
22, 2010 May 23, 2012
Evergreen Bank Seattle WA 20501 Umpqua Bank January 22, 2010 May
23, 2012
Charter Bank Santa Fe NM 32498 Charter Bank January 22, 2010 May
23, 2012
Bank of Leeton Leeton MO 8265 Sunflower Bank, N.A. January 22,
2010 May 23, 2012
Premier American Bank Miami FL 57147 Premier American Bank, N.A.
January 22, 2010 May 23, 2012
Barnes Banking Company Kaysville UT 1252 No Acquirer January 15,
2010 May 23, 2012
St. Stephen State Bank St. Stephen MN 17522 First State Bank of St.
Joseph January 15, 2010 May 23, 2012
Town Community Bank & Trust Antioch IL 34705 First American Bank
January 15, 2010 May 23, 2012
Horizon Bank Bellingham WA 22977 Washington Federal Savings and Loan
Association January 8, 2010 May 23, 2012
First Federal Bank of California, F.S.B. Santa Monica CA 28536
OneWest Bank, FSB December 18, 2009 May 25, 2012
Imperial Capital Bank La Jolla CA 26348 City National Bank December
18, 2009 May 25, 2012
Independent Bankers' Bank Springfield IL 26820 The Independent
BankersBank (TIB) December 18, 2009 May 25, 2012
New South Federal Savings Bank Irondale AL 32276 Beal Bank December
18, 2009 May 25, 2012
Citizens State Bank New Baltimore MI 1006 No Acquirer December 18,
2009 May 25, 2012
Peoples First Community Bank Panama City FL 32167 Hancock Bank
December 18, 2009 May 25, 2012
RockBridge Commercial Bank Atlanta GA 58315 No Acquirer December
18, 2009 May 25, 2012
SolutionsBank Overland Park KS 4731 Arvest Bank December 11, 2009
May 25, 2012
Valley Capital Bank, N.A. Mesa AZ 58399 Enterprise Bank & Trust
December 11, 2009 May 25, 2012
Republic Federal Bank, N.A. Miami FL 22846 1st United Bank December
11, 2009 May 25, 2012
Greater Atlantic Bank Reston VA 32583 Sonabank December 4, 2009
May 25, 2012
Benchmark Bank Aurora IL 10440 MB Financial Bank, N.A. December 4,
2009 May 25, 2012
AmTrust Bank Cleveland OH 29776 New York Community Bank December 4,
2009 May 25, 2012
The Tattnall Bank Reidsville GA 12080 Heritage Bank of the South
December 4, 2009 May 25, 2012
First Security National Bank Norcross GA 26290 State Bank and Trust
Company December 4, 2009 May 25, 2012
The Buckhead Community Bank Atlanta GA 34663 State Bank and Trust
Company December 4, 2009 May 25, 2012
Commerce Bank of Southwest Florida Fort Myers FL 58016 Central
Bank November 20, 2009 May 25, 2012
Pacific Coast National Bank San Clemente CA 57914 Sunwest Bank
November 13, 2009 May 25, 2012
Orion Bank Naples FL 22427 IBERIABANK November 13, 2009 May 25, 2012
Century Bank, F.S.B. Sarasota FL 32267 IBERIABANK November 13,
2009 May 25, 2012
United Commercial Bank San Francisco CA 32469 East West Bank
November 6, 2009 May 25, 2012
Gateway Bank of St. Louis St. Louis MO 19450 Central Bank of Kansas
City November 6, 2009 May 25, 2012
Prosperan Bank Oakdale MN 35074 Alerus Financial, N.A. November 6,
2009 May 25, 2012
Home Federal Savings Bank Detroit MI 30329 Liberty Bank and Trust
Company November 6, 2009 May 25, 2012
United Security Bank Sparta GA 22286 Ameris Bank November 6, 2009
May 25, 2012
North Houston Bank Houston TX 18776 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30,
2009 May 25, 2012
Madisonville State Bank Madisonville TX 33782 U.S. Bank N.A.
October 30, 2009 May 25, 2012
Citizens National Bank Teague TX 25222 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30,
2009 May 25, 2012
Park National Bank Chicago IL 11677 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30,
2009 May 25, 2012
Pacific National Bank San Francisco CA 30006 U.S. Bank N.A. October
30, 2009 May 25, 2012
California National Bank Los Angeles CA 34659 U.S. Bank N.A.
October 30, 2009 May 25, 2012
San Diego National Bank San Diego CA 23594 U.S. Bank N.A. October
30, 2009 May 25, 2012
Community Bank of Lemont Lemont IL 35291 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30,
2009 May 25, 2012
Bank USA, N.A. Phoenix AZ 32218 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30, 2009
May 25, 2012
First DuPage Bank Westmont IL 35038 First Midwest Bank October 23,
2009 May 25, 2012
Riverview Community Bank Otsego MN 57525 Central Bank October 23,
2009 May 25, 2012
Bank of Elmwood Racine WI 18321 Tri City National Bank October 23,
2009 May 25, 2012
Flagship National Bank Bradenton FL 35044 First Federal Bank of
Florida October 23, 2009 May 25, 2012
Hillcrest Bank Florida Naples FL 58336 Stonegate Bank October 23,
2009 May 25, 2012
American United Bank Lawrenceville GA 57794 Ameris Bank October 23,
2009 May 25, 2012
Partners Bank Naples FL 57959 Stonegate Bank October 23, 2009 May
25, 2012
San Joaquin Bank Bakersfield CA 23266 Citizens Business Bank
October 16, 2009 May 25, 2012
Southern Colorado National Bank Pueblo CO 57263 Legacy Bank October
2, 2009 May 25, 2012
Jennings State Bank Spring Grove MN 11416 Central Bank October 2,
2009 May 25, 2012
Warren Bank Warren MI 34824 The Huntington National Bank October 2,
2009 May 25, 2012
Georgian Bank Atlanta GA 57151 First Citizens Bank and Trust
Company, Inc. September 25, 2009 May 29, 2012
Irwin Union Bank, F.S.B. Louisville KY 57068 First Financial Bank,
N.A. September 18, 2009 May 29, 2012
Irwin Union Bank and Trust Company Columbus IN 10100 First Financial
Bank, N.A. September 18, 2009 May 29, 2012
Venture Bank Lacey WA 22868 First-Citizens Bank & Trust Company
September 11, 2009 May 29, 2012
Brickwell Community Bank Woodbury MN 57736 CorTrust Bank N.A.
September 11, 2009 May 29, 2012
Corus Bank, N.A. Chicago IL 13693 MB Financial Bank, N.A. September
11, 2009 May 29, 2012
First State Bank Flagstaff AZ 34875 Sunwest Bank September 4,
2009 May 29, 2012
Platinum Community Bank Rolling Meadows IL 35030 No Acquirer
September 4, 2009 May 29, 2012
Vantus Bank Sioux City IA 27732 Great Southern Bank September 4,
2009 May 29, 2012
InBank Oak Forest IL 20203 MB Financial Bank, N.A. September 4,
2009 May 29, 2012
First Bank of Kansas City Kansas City MO 25231 Great American Bank
September 4, 2009 May 29, 2012
Affinity Bank Ventura CA 27197 Pacific Western Bank August 28,
2009 May 29, 2012
Mainstreet Bank Forest Lake MN 1909 Central Bank August 28, 2009
May 29, 2012
Bradford Bank Baltimore MD 28312 Manufacturers and Traders Trust
Company (M&T Bank) August 28, 2009 May 29, 2012
Guaranty Bank Austin TX 32618 BBVA Compass August 21, 2009 May 29,
2012
CapitalSouth Bank Birmingham AL 22130 IBERIABANK August 21, 2009
May 29, 2012
First Coweta Bank Newnan GA 57702 United Bank August 21, 2009 May
29, 2012
ebank Atlanta GA 34682 Stearns Bank, N.A. August 21, 2009 May 29, 2012
Community Bank of Nevada Las Vegas NV 34043 No Acquirer August 14,
2009 May 29, 2012
Community Bank of Arizona Phoenix AZ 57645 MidFirst Bank August 14,
2009 May 29, 2012
Union Bank, National Association Gilbert AZ 34485 MidFirst Bank
August 14, 2009 May 29, 2012
Colonial Bank Montgomery AL 9609 Branch Banking & Trust Company,
(BB&T) August 14, 2009 May 29, 2012
Dwelling House Savings and Loan Association Pittsburgh PA 31559 PNC
Bank, N.A. August 14, 2009 May 29, 2012
Community First Bank Prineville OR 23268 Home Federal Bank August
7, 2009 May 29, 2012
Community National Bank of Sarasota County Venice FL 27183 Stearns
Bank, N.A. August 7, 2009 May 29, 2012
First State Bank Sarasota FL 27364 Stearns Bank, N.A. August 7,
2009 May 29, 2012
Mutual Bank Harvey IL 18659 United Central Bank July 31, 2009 May
29, 2012
First BankAmericano Elizabeth NJ 34270 Crown Bank July 31, 2009
May 29, 2012
Peoples Community Bank West Chester OH 32288 First Financial Bank,
N.A. July 31, 2009 May 29, 2012
Integrity Bank Jupiter FL 57604 Stonegate Bank July 31, 2009 May
29, 2012
First State Bank of Altus Altus OK 9873 Herring Bank July 31,
2009 May 29, 2012
Security Bank of Jones County Gray GA 8486 State Bank and Trust
Company July 24, 2009 May 29, 2012
Security Bank of Houston County Perry GA 27048 State Bank and Trust
Company July 24, 2009 May 29, 2012
Security Bank of Bibb County Macon GA 27367 State Bank and Trust
Company July 24, 2009 May 29, 2012
Security Bank of North Metro Woodstock GA 57105 State Bank and Trust
Company July 24, 2009 May 29, 2012
Security Bank of North Fulton Alpharetta GA 57430 State Bank and
Trust Company July 24, 2009 May 29, 2012
Security Bank of Gwinnett County Suwanee GA 57346 State Bank and
Trust Company July 24, 2009 May 29, 2012
Waterford Village Bank Williamsville NY 58065 Evans Bank, N.A. July
24, 2009 May 29, 2012
Temecula Valley Bank Temecula CA 34341 First-Citizens Bank & Trust
Company July 17, 2009 May 29, 2012
Vineyard Bank Rancho Cucamonga CA 23556 California Bank & Trust
July 17, 2009 May 29, 2012
BankFirst Sioux Falls SD 34103 Alerus Financial, N.A. July 17,
2009 May 29, 2012
First Piedmont Bank Winder GA 34594 First American Bank and Trust
Company July 17, 2009 May 29, 2012
Bank of Wyoming Thermopolis WY 22754 Central Bank & Trust July 10,
2009 May 29, 2012
Founders Bank Worth IL 18390 The PrivateBank and Trust Company July
2, 2009 May 29, 2012
Millennium State Bank of Texas Dallas TX 57667 State Bank of Texas
July 2, 2009 May 29, 2012
First National Bank of Danville Danville IL 3644 First Financial
Bank, N.A. July 2, 2009 May 29, 2012
Elizabeth State Bank Elizabeth IL 9262 Galena State Bank and Trust
Company July 2, 2009 May 29, 2012
Rock River Bank Oregon IL 15302 The Harvard State Bank July 2,
2009 May 29, 2012
First State Bank of Winchester Winchester IL 11710 The First
National Bank of Beardstown July 2, 2009 May 29, 2012
John Warner Bank Clinton IL 12093 State Bank of Lincoln July 2,
2009 May 29, 2012
Mirae Bank Los Angeles CA 57332 Wilshire State Bank June 26, 2009
May 31, 2012
MetroPacific Bank Irvine CA 57893 Sunwest Bank June 26, 2009 May
31, 2012
Horizon Bank Pine City MN 9744 Stearns Bank, N.A. June 26, 2009
May 31, 2012
Neighborhood Community Bank Newnan GA 35285 CharterBank June 26,
2009 May 31, 2012
Community Bank of West Georgia Villa Rica GA 57436 No Acquirer June
26, 2009 May 31, 2012
First National Bank of Anthony Anthony KS 4614 Bank of Kansas June
19, 2009 May 31, 2012
Cooperative Bank Wilmington NC 27837 First Bank June 19, 2009 May
31, 2012
Southern Community Bank Fayetteville GA 35251 United Community
Bank June 19, 2009 May 31, 2012
Bank of Lincolnwood Lincolnwood IL 17309 Republic Bank of Chicago
June 5, 2009 May 31, 2012
Citizens National Bank Macomb IL 5757 Morton Community Bank May 22,
2009 May 31, 2012
Strategic Capital Bank Champaign IL 35175 Midland States Bank May
22, 2009 May 31, 2012
BankUnited, FSB Coral Gables FL 32247 BankUnited May 21, 2009 May
31, 2012
Westsound Bank Bremerton WA 34843 Kitsap Bank May 8, 2009 May 31, 2012
America West Bank Layton UT 35461 Cache Valley Bank May 1, 2009
May 31, 2012
Citizens Community Bank Ridgewood NJ 57563 North Jersey Community
Bank May 1, 2009 May 31, 2012
Silverton Bank, NA Atlanta GA 26535 No Acquirer May 1, 2009 May
31, 2012
First Bank of Idaho Ketchum ID 34396 U.S. Bank, N.A. April 24,
2009 May 31, 2012
First Bank of Beverly Hills Calabasas CA 32069 No Acquirer April
24, 2009 May 31, 2012
Michigan Heritage Bank Farmington Hills MI 34369 Level One Bank
April 24, 2009 May 31, 2012
American Southern Bank Kennesaw GA 57943 Bank of North Georgia
April 24, 2009 May 31, 2012
Great Basin Bank of Nevada Elko NV 33824 Nevada State Bank April
17, 2009 May 31, 2012
American Sterling Bank Sugar Creek MO 8266 Metcalf Bank April 17,
2009 May 31, 2012
New Frontier Bank Greeley CO 34881 No Acquirer April 10, 2009 May
31, 2012
Cape Fear Bank Wilmington NC 34639 First Federal Savings and Loan
Association April 10, 2009 May 31, 2012
Omni National Bank Atlanta GA 22238 No Acquirer March 27, 2009 May
31, 2012
TeamBank, NA Paola KS 4754 Great Southern Bank March 20, 2009 May
31, 2012
Colorado National Bank Colorado Springs CO 18896 Herring Bank March
20, 2009 May 31, 2012
FirstCity Bank Stockbridge GA 18243 No Acquirer March 20, 2009 May
31, 2012
Freedom Bank of Georgia Commerce GA 57558 Northeast Georgia Bank
March 6, 2009 May 31, 2012
Security Savings Bank Henderson NV 34820 Bank of Nevada February
27, 2009 May 31, 2012
Heritage Community Bank Glenwood IL 20078 MB Financial Bank, N.A.
February 27, 2009 May 31, 2012
Silver Falls Bank Silverton OR 35399 Citizens Bank February 20,
2009 May 31, 2012
Pinnacle Bank of Oregon Beaverton OR 57342 Washington Trust Bank of
Spokane February 13, 2009 May 31, 2012
Corn Belt Bank & Trust Co. Pittsfield IL 16500 The Carlinville
National Bank February 13, 2009 May 31, 2012
Riverside Bank of the Gulf Coast Cape Coral FL 34563 TIB Bank
February 13, 2009 May 31, 2012
Sherman County Bank Loup City NE 5431 Heritage Bank February 13,
2009 May 31, 2012
County Bank Merced CA 22574 Westamerica Bank February 6, 2009 May
31, 2012
Alliance Bank Culver City CA 23124 California Bank & Trust February
6, 2009 May 31, 2012
FirstBank Financial Services McDonough GA 57017 Regions Bank
February 6, 2009 May 31, 2012
Ocala National Bank Ocala FL 26538 CenterState Bank of Florida,
N.A. January 30, 2009 May 31, 2012
Suburban FSB Crofton MD 30763 Bank of Essex January 30, 2009 May
31, 2012
MagnetBank Salt Lake City UT 58001 No Acquirer January 30, 2009
May 31, 2012
1st Centennial Bank Redlands CA 33025 First California Bank January
23, 2009 May 31, 2012
Bank of Clark County Vancouver WA 34959 Umpqua Bank January 16,
2009 May 31, 2012
National Bank of Commerce Berkeley IL 19733 Republic Bank of
Chicago January 16, 2009 May 31, 2012
Sanderson State Bank
En Español Sanderson TX 11568 The Pecos County State Bank December
12, 2008 May 31, 2012
Haven Trust Bank Duluth GA 35379 Branch Banking & Trust Company,
(BB&T) December 12, 2008 May 31, 2012
First Georgia Community Bank Jackson GA 34301 United Bank December
5, 2008 May 31, 2012
PFF Bank & Trust Pomona CA 28344 U.S. Bank, N.A. November 21,
2008 May 31, 2012
Downey Savings & Loan Newport Beach CA 30968 U.S. Bank, N.A.
November 21, 2008 May 31, 2012
Community Bank Loganville GA 16490 Bank of Essex November 21,
2008 May 31, 2012
Security Pacific Bank Los Angeles CA 23595 Pacific Western Bank
November 7, 2008 May 31, 2012
Franklin Bank, SSB Houston TX 26870 Prosperity Bank November 7,
2008 May 31, 2012
Freedom Bank Bradenton FL 57930 Fifth Third Bank October 31, 2008
May 31, 2012
Alpha Bank & Trust Alpharetta GA 58241 Stearns Bank, N.A. October
24, 2008 May 31, 2012
Meridian Bank Eldred IL 13789 National Bank October 10, 2008 May
31, 2012
Main Street Bank Northville MI 57654 Monroe Bank & Trust October
10, 2008 May 31, 2012
Washington Mutual Bank
(Including its subsidiary Washington Mutual Bank FSB) Henderson NV
32633 JP Morgan Chase Bank September 25, 2008 December 15, 2011
Ameribank Northfork WV 6782 The Citizens Savings Bank
Pioneer Community Bank, Inc. September 19, 2008 August 27, 2010
Silver State Bank
En Español Henderson NV 34194 Nevada State Bank September 5, 2008
August 27, 2010
Integrity Bank Alpharetta GA 35469 Regions Bank August 29, 2008
June 5, 2012
Columbian Bank & Trust Topeka KS 22728 Citizens Bank & Trust August
22, 2008 August 27, 2010
First Priority Bank Bradenton FL 57523 SunTrust Bank August 1,
2008 August 27, 2010
First Heritage Bank, NA Newport Beach CA 57961 Mutual of Omaha
Bank July 25, 2008 June 5, 2012
First National Bank of Nevada Reno NV 27011 Mutual of Omaha Bank
July 25, 2008 June 5, 2012
IndyMac Bank Pasadena CA 29730 OneWest Bank, FSB July 11, 2008
December 15, 2010
First Integrity Bank, NA Staples MN 12736 First International Bank
and Trust May 30, 2008 June 5, 2012
ANB Financial, NA Bentonville AR 33901 Pulaski Bank and Trust
Company May 9, 2008 June 5, 2012
Hume Bank Hume MO 1971 Security Bank March 7, 2008 June 5, 2012
Douglass National Bank Kansas City MO 24660 Liberty Bank and Trust
Company January 25, 2008 June 5, 2012
Miami Valley Bank Lakeview OH 16848 The Citizens Banking Company
October 4, 2007 June 5, 2012
NetBank Alpharetta GA 32575 ING DIRECT September 28, 2007 June 5, 2012
Metropolitan Savings Bank Pittsburgh PA 35353 Allegheny Valley Bank
of Pittsburgh February 2, 2007 August 27, 2010
Bank of Ephraim Ephraim UT 1249 Far West Bank June 25, 2004 April
9, 2008
Reliance Bank White Plains NY 26778 Union State Bank March 19,
2004 April 9, 2008
Guaranty National Bank of Tallahassee Tallahassee FL 26838 Hancock
Bank of Florida March 12, 2004 June 5, 2012
Dollar Savings Bank Newark NJ 31330 No Acquirer February 14, 2004
April 9, 2008
Pulaski Savings Bank Philadelphia PA 27203 Earthstar Bank November
14, 2003 July 22, 2005
First National Bank of Blanchardville Blanchardville WI 11639 The
Park Bank May 9, 2003 June 5, 2012
Southern Pacific Bank Torrance CA 27094 Beal Bank February 7,
2003 October 20, 2008
Farmers Bank of Cheneyville Cheneyville LA 16445 Sabine State Bank &
Trust December 17, 2002 October 20, 2004
Bank of Alamo Alamo TN 9961 No Acquirer November 8, 2002 March 18,
2005
AmTrade International Bank
En Español Atlanta GA 33784 No Acquirer September 30, 2002
September 11, 2006
Universal Federal Savings Bank Chicago IL 29355 Chicago Community
Bank June 27, 2002 April 9, 2008
Connecticut Bank of Commerce Stamford CT 19183 Hudson United Bank
June 26, 2002 February 14, 2012
New Century Bank Shelby Township MI 34979 No Acquirer March 28,
2002 March 18, 2005
Net 1st National Bank Boca Raton FL 26652 Bank Leumi USA March 1,
2002 April 9, 2008
NextBank, NA Phoenix AZ 22314 No Acquirer February 7, 2002 August
27, 2010
Oakwood Deposit Bank Co. Oakwood OH 8966 The State Bank & Trust
Company February 1, 2002 June 5, 2012
Bank of Sierra Blanca Sierra Blanca TX 22002 The Security State Bank
of Pecos January 18, 2002 November 6, 2003
Hamilton Bank, NA
En Español Miami FL 24382 Israel Discount Bank of New York January
11, 2002 June 5, 2012
Sinclair National Bank Gravette AR 34248 Delta Trust & Bank
September 7, 2001 February 10, 2004
Superior Bank, FSB Hinsdale IL 32646 Superior Federal, FSB July 27,
2001 June 5, 2012
Malta National Bank Malta OH 6629 North Valley Bank May 3, 2001
November 18, 2002
First Alliance Bank & Trust Co. Manchester NH 34264 Southern New
Hampshire Bank & Trust February 2, 2001 February 18, 2003
National State Bank of Metropolis Metropolis IL 3815 Banterra Bank
of Marion December 14, 2000 March 17, 2005
Bank of Honolulu Honolulu HI 21029 Bank of the Orient October 13,
2000 March 17, 2005
deadrat
Aug 11, 2012, 1:46:05 PM8/11/12
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Thanks for sharing. What's your point? That the Jasper Bank of Jasper,
Georgia failed and was taken over by the feds? Was there a run on
banks? Did people lose their savings? Has commerce been hobbled? That
the banks that failed did so because Obama was in office?
BeamMeUpScotty
Aug 11, 2012, 2:36:04 PM8/11/12
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>>> "Yeah, except the banking system is now healthy"
years. Printing and borrowing to bail them out isn't making them "healthy".
The success in bailing them out is the very problem making everything
else worse as in unemployment and low GDP and sinking or stagnant pay
and retirement and health care benefits.
It is pushing us into StagFlation and you are trying to pretend it's
better..... YOU have every right to be an idiot, just don't think you
have a right to force the rest of us to be idiots like you.
deadrat
Aug 11, 2012, 4:45:54 PM8/11/12
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isn't the measure. Can you make a case that the banking system is in
jeopardy? You know, along the lines of the fall (no pun intended) of
2008? 'Cause I could be convinced by evidence. Got any?
Printing and borrowing to bail them out isn't making them "healthy".
government loans and are showing profits.
> The success in bailing them out is the very problem making everything
> else worse as in unemployment and low GDP and sinking or stagnant pay
> and retirement and health care benefits.
crash of 2008, and the statistics show that. But we're talking about
the banking system.
BeamMeUpScotty
Aug 11, 2012, 4:52:57 PM8/11/12
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recovery and the recession was over according to technical indicators,
or are they lying today when you and they are saying it's still Bush's
recession....?
One of those times has to be a lie.
> and the statistics show that. But we're talking about
> the banking system.
>
>> It is pushing us into StagFlation and you are trying to pretend it's
>> better..... YOU have every right to be an idiot, just don't think you
>> have a right to force the rest of us to be idiots like you.
*Rumination*
#30 - Socialism will eventually run out of other people's money and
collapse.
deadrat
Aug 11, 2012, 5:01:26 PM8/11/12
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On 8/11/12 3:52 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
<nothing of interest/>
<nothing of interest/>
Neolibertarian
Aug 11, 2012, 6:44:20 PM8/11/12
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Harold Burton
Aug 11, 2012, 9:26:33 PM8/11/12
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Bill Graham
Aug 11, 2012, 10:42:12 PM8/11/12
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Harold Burton wrote:
> In article <k06n84$5gm$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Neolibertarian <cogn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <hal.i.burton-D48C...@news.newsguy.com>,
>> Harold Burton <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <k05oe4$4aj$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Neolibertarian <cogn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <14bc3f1a-df6b-4e1d...@u7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-
>>>>> negotiable.
>>>>> The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and
>>>>> that
>>>>> allows them to prosper ‹ but any agreement with the Palestinian
> In article <k06n84$5gm$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Neolibertarian <cogn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <hal.i.burton-D48C...@news.newsguy.com>,
>> Harold Burton <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <k05oe4$4aj$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Neolibertarian <cogn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <14bc3f1a-df6b-4e1d...@u7g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> plainolamerican <plainol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-
>>>>> negotiable.
>>>>> The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and
>>>>> that
>>>>> people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with
>>>>> secure, recognized and defensible borders. Jerusalem will remain
>>>>> the capital
>>>>> of
>>>>> Israel, and it must remain undivided."
>>>>> ---
>>>>> So you gotta ask the question ... When did israel's security
>>>>> become a US responsibility?
>>>>
>>>> 1956, of course. when Gamal Nasser came to power Egypt.
>>>>
>>>>> Does one of the stars on 'old glory' represent israel?
>>>>> Who allowed this to happen?
>>>>
>>>> The Soviet Union made it absolutely necessary to make "Israel's
>>>> security...a
>>>> US responsibility."
>>>>
>>>>> well, we know who allowed this happen and why ... we just weren't
>>>>> told as children, learning about civics and history, that we
>>>>> might be required to fund and fight for the jews in israel.
We support Israel because its the only democracy in the middle east, and
>>>>> secure, recognized and defensible borders. Jerusalem will remain
>>>>> the capital
>>>>> of
>>>>> Israel, and it must remain undivided."
>>>>> ---
>>>>> So you gotta ask the question ... When did israel's security
>>>>> become a US responsibility?
>>>>
>>>> 1956, of course. when Gamal Nasser came to power Egypt.
>>>>
>>>>> Does one of the stars on 'old glory' represent israel?
>>>>> Who allowed this to happen?
>>>>
>>>> The Soviet Union made it absolutely necessary to make "Israel's
>>>> security...a
>>>> US responsibility."
>>>>
>>>>> well, we know who allowed this happen and why ... we just weren't
>>>>> told as children, learning about civics and history, that we
>>>>> might be required to fund and fight for the jews in israel.
is/has been effective in controlling many of the other religious
dictatorships there who are antagonistic to us.
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