Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Defend the Individual and So the West
simple.lan...@gmail.com
Thinkers of the Enlightenment, a set of new intellectual attitudes
that remade Western culture in the 17th and 18th centuries, set out to
understand the world and themselves through reason rather than
religion. Their ideas led to massive advances in science, economics
and commerce, the arts and human liberty, which underpin our present
prosperity and social freedoms. Since the September 11, 2001, attacks,
Islam has often been seen as the chief threat to the Enlightenment's
legacy. But is there also something internal to Western intellectual
history that leaves us vulnerable to the enemies of reason?
The West has cultivated an ethos of individualism, reason and
tolerance, and an elaborate system in which every actor, from the
individual to the nation-state, seeks to resolve conflict through
words. The entire system is built on the idea of self-interest. This
ethos rejects fanaticism. The alpha male, in our societies, is
pacified and groomed to study hard, find a good job, and plan
prudently for retirement. "While we in America are drugging our alpha
boys with Ritalin," writes Lee Harris, author of The Suicide Of
Reason, "the Muslims are doing everything in their power to encourage
their alpha boys to be tough, aggressive and ruthless."
By dulling its people's instincts to stand up in defence of their own
society and its values, the West is committing itself to slow suicide.
Sometimes the response to attacks on Western societies is one of
rapprochement, of softening our insistence on respect for the
individual and the primacy of reason in public life. At others it is
the reverse--a suspension of the civil liberties and normal legal
processes that exemplify Western cultural achievements. But the way to
rescue Western civilisation from its present path of what looks like
decline can never be to challenge its tradition of reason and
individualism.
I was not born in the West. I was raised with the code of Islam, and
from birth I was indoctrinated into a tribal mind-set. Yet I have
changed: I have adopted the values of the Enlightenment, and as a
result I have to live with the rejection of my native clan as well as
the Islamic tribe. Why have I done so? Because in a tribal society,
life is cruel and terrible. And I am not alone. Muslims have been
migrating to the West in droves for decades now. They are in search of
a better life. Yet their tribal and cultural constraints have
travelled with them. The multiculturalism and moral relativism that
reign in the West have accommodated this.
Many Western leaders are terribly confused about the Islamic world.
They are woefully uninformed and often unwilling to confront the
tribal nature of Islam. The problem, however, is not too much reason,
but too little. The enemies of reason within the West are religion and
the Romantic movement. Both the Romantic movement and organised
religion have contributed a great deal to the arts and to the
spirituality of the Western mind, but they share a hostility to
modernity.
It is not reason that accommodates and encourages the persistent
segregation and tribalism of immigrant Muslim populations in the West.
It is Romanticism and its descendants. Multiculturalism and moral
relativism promote an idealisation of tribal life, and have shown
themselves to be impervious to empirical criticism. I see today's
Western leaders squandering a great and vital opportunity to compete
with the agents of radical Islam for the minds of Muslims, especially
those within their borders. But to do so, they must allow reason to
prevail over sentiment.
To argue that children born and bred in superstitious cultures that
value fanaticism are doomed to be governed by the law of the jungle is
to ignore the lessons of the West's own past. There have been periods
when the West was less than noble, when it engaged in crusades,
inquisitions, witch-burnings, and genocides. Many of those now-
Westerners who were born abroad into the law of the jungle, with its
alpha males and submissive females, have since become acquainted with
the culture of reason and have adopted it. They are even willing to
die for it, perhaps with the same fanaticism as the jihadists willing
to die for their tribe. While this conflict between Islam and the West
is undeniably a deadly struggle between cultures, it is individuals
who will determine the outcome.
ßDoüg±Ç
her friend Theodore Van Gogh was -- until the muslim pigs
killed him and left the knife stuck in him w/a letter that named
her as the next target.
<simple.lan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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David Moss
@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
> I believe Ayaan Hirsi is living under a death fatwah, just like
> her friend Theodore Van Gogh was -- until the muslim pigs
> killed him and left the knife stuck in him w/a letter that named
> her as the next target.
You probably believed her when she claimed to be fleeing Somalia to escape
an arranged marriage too. Trouble is, she had been living in Kenya for many
years, not in Somalia, and her name was Ayaan Hirsi Magan, not the Ayaan
Hirsi Ali that appeared on her application form.
Earlier this year Ms Ali attempted to secure French citizenship as her
Dutch citizenship was no longer serving its purpose. I wonder what story
she will try to sucker the French with?
--
David Moss
Personal opinion only
The Australian Politics Resource
http://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com
kangarooistan
wrote:
some women will do anything if you pay them enough
real women would never sell their soul or their bodies or their honour
she is clearly working for the cia , like all the other women paid to
lie about islam that travel the world, first class travel and hotels
and prime time on evening news, on world tours like pop stars if they
sing the cia favourite songs for racist western fans propaganda she
can live like a queen until they no longer need her services and then
dump her for the next propaganda pop idol
until the usa colapses and the music stops and western taxpayers get
te bill
House sold for $1 in sign of US property crisis
In a sign of how desperate the property crisis has become in parts
of the US, a foreclosed house in Detroit has sold for just one dollar
– around 50 pence
.
Eventually a woman put in an offer but only finalised the deal after
the bank agreed to pay all her costs, the sales commission and back
taxes, together totalling $10,000.
By Catherine Elsworth in Los Angeles
Last Updated: 9:45PM BST 14 Aug 2008
But even at that bargain price, the two-storey, lawn-fringed house on
the city's impoverished east side took 19 days to sell.
Although the price may be an extreme in one of America's poorest
cities, it illustrates how some banks are struggling to offload
foreclosed properties amid America's housing market crash.
The house, a few blocks from Detroit City Airport, was "the nicest on
the block" when it sold for $65,000 in November 2006, according to
neighbours.
I now stands boarded up and reduced to a shell, its interiors having
been stripped of every fixture and fitting, after it was foreclosed
last summer.
The house was put on the market in January for $1,100 but attracted no
interest other than the occasional squatter.
The bank that owned it faced thousands of dollars in back taxes and
unpaid bills so decided to slash the price.
Eventually a woman put in an offer but only finalised the deal after
the bank agreed to pay all her costs, the sales commission and back
taxes, together totalling $10,000.
While some abandoned homes in Detroit have sold for a few hundred
dollars, Kent Colpaert, the estate agent in charge of the sale, told
the Detroit News he had never seen a house listed for one dollar
before.
He added that the buyer had agreed to pay the full list price and
planned to pay cash.
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ßDoüg±Ç
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> "ßDoüg±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote in news:DfMok.19149$89.5032
> @nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> I believe Ayaan Hirsi is living under a death fatwah, just like
>> her friend Theodore Van Gogh was -- until the muslim pigs
>> killed him and left the knife stuck in him w/a letter that named
>> her as the next target.
>
> You probably believed her when she claimed to be fleeing Somalia to escape
> an arranged marriage too. Trouble is, she had been living in Kenya for
> many
> years, not in Somalia, and her name was Ayaan Hirsi Magan, not the Ayaan
> Hirsi Ali that appeared on her application form.
>
> Earlier this year Ms Ali attempted to secure French citizenship as her
> Dutch citizenship was no longer serving its purpose. I wonder what story
> she will try to sucker the French with?
>
Now we're combining our fallacies of argumentation eh, Davey?
An unfounded, unproven ad-hominem attack coupled w/a red-herring argument.
I guess Theodore Van Gogh merely got what he deserved by your
reasoning eh?
Polly the Parrot
<bejah....@gmail.com> wrote:
> she is clearly working for the cia ,
More fantasy from your drug addled brain, kanga.
David Moss
> "David Moss" <q032...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AFBE355B5CFDq0...@61.9.191.5...
>> "ßDoüg±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote in news:DfMok.19149$89.5032
>> @nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>> I believe Ayaan Hirsi is living under a death fatwah, just like
>>> her friend Theodore Van Gogh was -- until the muslim pigs
>>> killed him and left the knife stuck in him w/a letter that named
>>> her as the next target.
>>
>> You probably believed her when she claimed to be fleeing Somalia to
>> escape an arranged marriage too. Trouble is, she had been living in
>> Kenya for many
>> years, not in Somalia, and her name was Ayaan Hirsi Magan, not the
>> Ayaan Hirsi Ali that appeared on her application form.
>>
>> Earlier this year Ms Ali attempted to secure French citizenship as
>> her Dutch citizenship was no longer serving its purpose. I wonder
>> what story she will try to sucker the French with?
>>
>
> Now we're combining our fallacies of argumentation eh, Davey?
>
> An unfounded, unproven ad-hominem attack coupled w/a red-herring
> argument.
Yet all available on the public record for those who choose to look.
Try typing "Ali France citizen" into Google and see what crops up.
> I guess Theodore Van Gogh merely got what he deserved by your
> reasoning eh?
Don't project your own redneck way of thinking on to me Dougie.
The Van Gough murder is a complex issue. As a liberal I believe people
should be allowed to say whatever they want, but this also implies they
must be willing to face the consequences of doing so.
Van Gough used controversy as an advertising tool. He was deliberately
provocative and tended to roar down anyone who questioned his actions
with a stram of invective. In other words he went out of his way to annoy
people.
So on one level he got not only what he deserved, but what he
consistently demanded.
When cautioned against this behaviour by Ms Ali he responded "no-one
kills the village idiot". In other words, he believed his eccentric and
outrageous behavior would inherently shield him from the predictible
consequences. He was wrong.
Killing people is nearly always wrong though.
It should only be done if there is no reasonable chance of achieving an
essential objective in another way.
I can nearly always think of another way, but not everyone is as smart as
me, or as willing to put in the effort to avoid the lethal option.
Consequently loudmouthed arseholes get killed and countries get invaded.
Unfortunately thats the way the world works.
mosher...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> "ßDoüg±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote innews:P5mpk.7967$cn7....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>
>
> > "David Moss" <q0320...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
Gee times have changed. When did it become OK for people to be killed
for saying things others dislike?
Do Homosexuals deserve to die for having anal sex?
Do women deserve to be raped if they aren't wearing a burka?
You relativized your self into a corner David.
Svenne
wrote:
>Do Homosexuals deserve to die for having anal sex?
If homosexuals are not discreet about what they are and what they do
it will be very provocative for Muslims. A reaction is to be expected
and you cannot blame Muslims if they react violently towards people
deliberatly affronting their values. Some consideration must be shown.
If homosexuals insist on performing their acts in a multicultural
society where Muslims may be deeply offended, they should be very
discreet about it.
>Do women deserve to be raped if they aren't wearing a burka?
No woman deserves to be raped, but Muslims expect a certain level of
modesty and decency in women. If western women flaunt themeselves
around half naked and asking for it, it can be expected that Muslim
men will take this as an open invitatation from a slut with no morals.
You cannot blame them if they act on this. We live in a Multicultural
society and we must be sensitive to the values of others. Being
provocative has consequences and if those consequences happen we only
have ourselves to blame.
It's our choice. If we want things to happen differently, we must
behave differently.
Svenne
arselifter hater
> If homosexuals are not discreet about what they are and what they do
> it will be very provocative for Muslims.
>
Apparently the Bible forbids two or three good looking guys hugging, like the
USA swim team after a victory!
Polly the Parrot
> It's our choice. If we want things to happen differently, we must
> behave differently.
Bull shit.
It is the Muslim's choice.
Integrate and accept the values of the country in which you live.
After all, they readily accept the welfare payments!
If they are not happy, they should move on.
Grow up Svenne.
SaPeIsMa
"Polly the Parrot" <flatula...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:20080816103...@linux-k6os.site...
Why do you even waste time responding to such a moron
People like him go away when you ignore them
By responding to him you validate him, and encourage him to continue
Polly the Parrot
> > More fantasy from your drug addled brain, kanga.
>
> Why do you even waste time responding to such a moron
> People like him go away when you ignore them
> By responding to him you validate him, and encourage him to continue
You are right, of course, but I like baiting the racist moron.
Herman
go home and grab a gun; sit in the dark and wish I had the guts to roam the
streets and murder every one of them who looked even close.
That's what Jesus would do.
David Moss
news:ec2640f3-c574-4460...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
>> Killing people is nearly always wrong though.
>> It should only be done if there is no reasonable chance of achieving
>> an essential objective in another way.
>>
>> I can nearly always think of another way, but not everyone is as
>> smart as me, or as willing to put in the effort to avoid the lethal
>> option.
>>
>> Consequently loudmouthed arseholes get killed and countries get
>> invaded.
>>
>> Unfortunately thats the way the world works.
>>
>> --
>> David Moss
>> Personal opinion only
>> The Australian Politics Resourcehttp://politics.sunnybar.dynip.com
>
> Gee times have changed. When did it become OK for people to be killed
> for saying things others dislike?
Since there is always a way of preventing people from fomenting hatred
without killing them, I'd say it has not become OK. The Dutch government
agrees and jailed the criminal for life without the possibility of
parole.
> Do Homosexuals deserve to die for having anal sex?
Ask an AIDS patient who contracted the disease through voluntary unsafe
anal sex techniques.
> Do women deserve to be raped if they aren't wearing a burka?
Nope. But women can certainly increase their chances of being raped by
making unwise decisions on how to dress and where to go.
> You relativized your self into a corner David.
A corner is an excellent defensive position. I don't know about this
relativism though. Can you explain what you are on about?
mosher...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Firstly It really pisses me off that this group is filled with
discussions about islam. (aus.politics anyway)
On Relativism, you constantly try and equate the radical end of islam
with actions of other wakos.
Wouldn't it be better just to ignore these posts?
It has progressed to the point where you actually think that it is the
victims fault if they are attacked for saying or doing something that
a group does not like.
This is where relativism has led you.
We are all in the corner now eh?
Un-covered meat beware!!
David Moss
news:MPG.231052824...@news.individual.net:
This is true. Perhaps this explains why the (allegedly) Jewish dominated
Porn industry makes lots of movies with chick on chick but avoids guy on
guy.
David Moss
news:ced76a34-f0d3-4755...@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> On Aug 16, 8:43 pm, David Moss <q0320...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au>
> wrote:
>> mosherkus...@hotmail.com wrote
>> innews:ec2640f3-c574-4460-a7e7-dcd1430252b
> d...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
I'd prefer we had proper discussions about Islam than mere discussions
about islam. Can you see the difference?
>> On Relativism, you constantly try and equate the radical end of islam
> with actions of other wakos.
Actually I point out there are whackos in every ideology, but the whackos
on the far right of the Nationalist spectrum like to selectively quote
instances concerning the whackos on the far right of Islam.
> Wouldn't it be better just to ignore these posts?
I'm sure the far right Nationalist whackos would prefer I did, but its so
much fun stirring them up ;-)
> It has progressed to the point where you actually think that it is the
> victims fault if they are attacked for saying or doing something that
> a group does not like.
As someone who has spent time in dark places I assure you that sometimes
the victim does facilitate the crime. There is no helping some people,
they just have to find out the hard way.
> This is where relativism has led you.
Not relativism, realism.
>
> We are all in the corner now eh?
Sometimes the corner is the strongest place to be.
> Un-covered meat beware!!
Indeed. Thats the way the world works.
mosher...@hotmail.com
> As someone who has spent time in dark places I assure you that sometimes
> the victim does facilitate the crime. There is no helping some people,
> they just have to find out the hard way.
>
My point exactly. Some people want their places not to become dark
places.
David Moss
e8a455...@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
There are dark places in every civilisation. Sometimes they are real,
physical places. Sometimes they are places we create for ourselves within
our own minds.
Christian and Muslim clerics have been preaching sermons warning about the
physical and moral dangers involoved in departing from their respective
codes of conduct for millenia.
Not going out dressed like a slut is a pretty obvious risk minimisation
strategy for both physical and moral dangers.
Sunny
<snip>
> Not going out dressed like a slut is a pretty obvious risk minimisation
> strategy for both physical and moral dangers.
"risk minimisation" Overkill ?
http://webpages.charter.net/quantim/quantim/islamcult.jpg
mosher...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> mosherkus...@hotmail.com wrote in news:3d24f3c2-3328-48a6-9e6f-
> e8a4559a3...@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Take that one up with Germain Greer DM
David Moss
news:ec2854d0-b1f3-4add...@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com:
Greer and I have very little in common.
David Moss
server.bigpond.net.au:
Not really.
http://www.education.miami.edu/ep/Paris/assets/images/Nuns--many_copy.jpg
ßDoüg±Ç
> "Sunny" <womba...@gmail.com> wrote in news:m42qk.29199$IK1.10149@news-
> server.bigpond.net.au:
>
>>
>> "David Moss" <q032...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9AFE5AE97CB09q0...@61.9.191.5...
>> <snip>
>>> Not going out dressed like a slut is a pretty obvious risk minimisation
>>> strategy for both physical and moral dangers.
>>
>> "risk minimisation" Overkill ?
>> http://webpages.charter.net/quantim/quantim/islamcult.jpg
>
> Not really.
> http://www.education.miami.edu/ep/Paris/assets/images/Nuns--many_copy.jpg
>
Um, fallacy of analogy. Nuns are not REQUIRED to wear habits anymore. I
worked at a Catholic college (fixing pipes!) and talked to a nun who had
been
in the business for 40 years. She stated that habits hadn't been a required
habiliment for decades.
The women in islamonazi theocracies are increasingly being required to
wear burkhas or hijabs -- even if they're NOT muslim.
David Moss
>>
>> Not really.
>> http://www.education.miami.edu/ep/Paris/assets/images/Nuns--many_copy.
>> jpg
>>
>
> Um, fallacy of analogy. Nuns are not REQUIRED to wear habits anymore.
> I worked at a Catholic college (fixing pipes!) and talked to a nun who
> had been
> in the business for 40 years. She stated that habits hadn't been a
> required habiliment for decades.
>
> The women in islamonazi theocracies are increasingly being required to
> wear burkhas or hijabs -- even if they're NOT muslim.
The feminists got excited at the prospect of women in Kabul ditching the
Burka after the US invasion. They thought the women there were being
forced into wearing it and that all it would take was toppling the
Taliban and there would be miniskirts and the scent of burning bras
throughout the capital.
Didn't happen. It seems that despite being "liberated" the women in Kabul
choose to keep wearing traditional all-covering clothing.
Ungrateful bitches!
±DoügßÇ
> "ßDoüg±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote in
> news:gfosk.25456$Ri.1...@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>> http://www.education.miami.edu/ep/Paris/assets/images/Nuns--many_copy.
>>> jpg
>>>
>>
>> Um, fallacy of analogy. Nuns are not REQUIRED to wear habits anymore.
>> I worked at a Catholic college (fixing pipes!) and talked to a nun who
>> had been
>> in the business for 40 years. She stated that habits hadn't been a
>> required habiliment for decades.
>>
>> The women in islamonazi theocracies are increasingly being required to
>> wear burkhas or hijabs -- even if they're NOT muslim.
>
> The feminists got excited at the prospect of women in Kabul ditching the
> Burka after the US invasion. They thought the women there were being
> forced into wearing it and that all it would take was toppling the
> Taliban and there would be miniskirts and the scent of burning bras
> throughout the capital.
>
What "feminists"?
> Didn't happen. It seems that despite being "liberated" the women in Kabul
> choose to keep wearing traditional all-covering clothing.
>
"Choose"? LOL. Yeah right.
> Ungrateful bitches!
>
I'm glad to see the respectful way in which you refer to women.
David Moss
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> "David Moss" <q032...@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B05C8D7C83DFq0...@61.9.191.5...
>> "ßDoüg±Ç" <noün...@now.com> wrote in
>> news:gfosk.25456$Ri.1...@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Not really.
>>>> http://www.education.miami.edu/ep/Paris/assets/images/Nuns--many_cop
>>>> y. jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> Um, fallacy of analogy. Nuns are not REQUIRED to wear habits
>>> anymore. I worked at a Catholic college (fixing pipes!) and talked
>>> to a nun who had been
>>> in the business for 40 years. She stated that habits hadn't been a
>>> required habiliment for decades.
>>>
>>> The women in islamonazi theocracies are increasingly being required
>>> to wear burkhas or hijabs -- even if they're NOT muslim.
>>
>> The feminists got excited at the prospect of women in Kabul ditching
>> the Burka after the US invasion. They thought the women there were
>> being forced into wearing it and that all it would take was toppling
>> the Taliban and there would be miniskirts and the scent of burning
>> bras throughout the capital.
>>
>
> What "feminists"?
Don't they have feminists where you are Dougie?
>
>> Didn't happen. It seems that despite being "liberated" the women in
>> Kabul choose to keep wearing traditional all-covering clothing.
>>
>
> "Choose"? LOL. Yeah right.
Yep. Unless you think the US led security forces in Kabul are forcing
them to wear Hijab.
>
>> Ungrateful bitches!
>>
>
> I'm glad to see the respectful way in which you refer to women.
I'm sorry to see you still don't understand the concept of irony.