Re: Spanish Language Here to Stay (Hey David, more proof of your lies)
Sandy Myers
influx of illegals from Mexico and a million or more coming in each year
and the high birth rates in general of hispanics, that if this
continues we will become a Spanish speaking country. English will
take a back seat to Spanish.
It is only logical that if the majority of the population in this
country becomes hispanic, then how could English possibly remain the
dominant language in this country? Especially since hispancs are so
adamant about retaining their culture and language within this country.
Its all BS by David and it always has been. He knows what the future
holds in this country and he is relishing it. He and the hispanics in
this country try to play it down with their assimilaltion lies.
We are already seeing Spanish textbooks in our schools, everything
being printed in Spanish for them, hordes of Spanish tv shows and radio
programming, stores marketing their products towards Spanish speakers,
job discrimination favoring Spanish speakers. Spanish speakers choosing
Spanish over English out in public and parents speaking strictly to
their kids in Spanish and even our traitorous politicians learning
Spanish to accomade the unassimilating hordes. Yeah I'm real gullible.
Sure thing, we will be able to retain our heritage, culture and language
in this country as the dominant one in the future and I have a lot for
sale in the Everglades. Want to buy?
pomp...@hotmail.com
suggest you do go off to the Everglades or some looney survivalist
compound somewhere in Idaho and hide under a bed there. English is the
defacto lingua franca of business the world over. I doubt it will go
away.
charles bash
speak and keep Spanish alive, here, as long they can.
I posted the tipoff with my post <<< No Speakee English = A Lying
Immigrant Ruse? >>>
It came about when I tried to converse with a "housekeeping" employee in
the apartment building where I live. When she said <<< I no speakee
English >>> and I said <<< But you are Learning English, No? >>>
When she answered "No", I said <<< Well Go Back! We don't Need you here
and don't Want you here!.>>>
She worked till Friday of that week, and that was the last time I saw
her working here.
Also, this from the woman mayor of Miami about 15 years or so, ago ::
<<< Spanish is the language of Miami = anyone who doesn't want to speak
Spanish = should Move!!>>>
Does that sound like the "Census data" that declares that 2nd and 3rd
generation Spanish speakers will blossom into English speakers?
You don't expect it in Miami !!
There is something Very Unsatisfactory for America about people
"speaking the language that they are most comfortable with" at home.
I can discuss 2 true life examples,, but that will wait till next time.
In a hurry just now.
C. Bash
<<< Free Institutions Are Next To Impossible In A Country Made Up Of
Different Nationalities. Among A People Without Fellow Feelings,
Especially If They Read AND SPEAK DIFFERENT LANGUAGES,, The United
Public Opinion Necessary To The Working Of A Representative Government
= Cannot Exist! >>> ==o== john stuart mill.
pomp...@hotmail.com
makes business sense. I knew two gringos who started off as sales reps
in Monterrey for a fixture house. Neither gringo spoke but a
smattering of Spanish. Gringo A notched up twice the sales record than
Gringo B. The difference? Gringo A did not mind making mistakes and
did his best to try to speak Spanish. Gringo B was slower but soon
caught up but the first months the sales quotas were starkly different.
Same thing happens in the USA. Forget about the illegals. The
chicanos alone are a large, affluent, market. It makes sense to tap
into them.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1123166174.4...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
What should go away from the US are Spanish speakers
and their language.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1123174633.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Nobody "demands" that a business cater to Spanish speakers. It just
> makes business sense.
Not really. Anything that advances the Spanish language in this
country is short-sighted and ultmiately disasterous.
> I knew two gringos who started off as sales reps
> in Monterrey for a fixture house.
Nobody gives a shit.
pomp...@hotmail.com
country is short-sighted and ultmiately disasterous. "
Proof?
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1123176086....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> "Not really. Anything that advances the Spanish language in this
> country is short-sighted and ultmiately disasterous. "
>
> Proof?
Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, ...
David Eduardo
"Sandy Myers" <sk...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> GQ, I have said it all along, that since we already have a massive
> influx of illegals from Mexico and a million or more coming in each year
> and the high birth rates in general of hispanics, that if this
> continues we will become a Spanish speaking country. English will
> take a back seat to Spanish.
You are counting only supposed entries, and not the exits. Net gain is about
300,000 a year.
>
> It is only logical that if the majority of the population in this
> country becomes hispanic, then how could English possibly remain the
> dominant language in this country? Especially since hispancs are so
> adamant about retaining their culture and language within this country.
At the present rate, assuming no assimilation, it will take over 100 years
for half the population to be Hispanic. And second generation and beyond is
strongly bilingual and English capable. The fact a person holds on to the
langauge of the parents (often to communicate with them) does not mean a
person is not also fully capable in English.
>
> Its all BS by David and it always has been. He knows what the future
> holds in this country and he is relishing it. He and the hispanics in
> this country try to play it down with their assimilaltion lies.
I don't care what language Hispanics speak. Fully a third of the stations I
work with are all or mostly English, but aimed at second generation
Hispanics or first generation who came here before age 10... who prefer
English or a mix of both.
pomp...@hotmail.com
levels? All because of Spanish? Instantaneously?
Irremediably/deterministically? How?
Norm
LA County, So Cal hospitals.. yet another (10 in the last year) has
announced it will close its ER room do to the cost... translated
"illegal's are using's as their primary care physician and not paying
the bill"
LA County will be taking in less taxes next year because its middle
class tax base has left... how will the county pay for all these
social programs that teh brown horde uses a plus pay police, fire and
schools? Answer THEY WONT!
David Eduardo
"Norm" <nor...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:obr4f1hnod52p9h5r...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:35:02 GMT, "H. Reader"
> <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1123176086....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>> "Not really. Anything that advances the Spanish language in this
>>> country is short-sighted and ultmiately disasterous. "
>>>
>>> Proof?
>>
>> Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, ...
>>
>
> LA County, So Cal hospitals.. yet another (10 in the last year) has
> announced it will close its ER room do to the cost... translated
> "illegal's are using's as their primary care physician and not paying
> the bill"
The Downey Regional Health Center, which is losing $12 million a year on ER
operations, is not a county or public hospital.
Norm
No it is a private but under state law ALL hospitals that have a ER
have to proved services without asking for proof of payment. Other
words they aren't allowed turn ANYONE away... even if the person only
has a simple cold.
This is why 10 hospitals... all in areas that have high concentration
of illegal immigrants have closed their ER rooms in the past year.
More are set to close their ER rooms in the near future.
David Eduardo
"Graphic Queen" <xxx...@xxx.xxx.com> wrote in message
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> what a hospital is called, meaning you can not refute what was posted.
> But then we knew that illegal loving David.
The difference is that a private hospital does not run on public funding,
unless they are able to obtain subsidies for the service provided.
Sandy Myers
haven't you heard? That means they should know how to speak English
and therefore eliminates the need for bi-lingual, Spanish speaking
employees, right?
Sandy Myers
Sandy Myers
would say what David and some others say in here regarding assimilaltion
by hispanics to our language after a couple of generations.
Fact: there are approimately 10-20 million illegal hispanics residing
in this country now. Hispanics have high birthrates. There are
anywhere from 1-3 million more coming in here each year. The white
population is on the decline and many say hispanics will be the majority
by 2050. Now does anyone with half a brain believe that an " ethnic
majority" of people living in this country, whose native language is
Spanish is going to adopt ours as their primary language and that this
will continue to be an English dominant country?
How dumb do these pro-illegals think we are anyway?
David Eduardo
> GQ, only and idiot with an agenda and thinks that everyone is a fool,
> would say what David and some others say in here regarding assimilaltion
> by hispanics to our language after a couple of generations.
>
> Fact: there are approimately 10-20 million illegal hispanics residing
> in this country now. Hispanics have high birthrates. There are
> anywhere from 1-3 million more coming in here each year. The white
> population is on the decline and many say hispanics will be the majority
> by 2050.
... in California. Not in the USA.
> Now does anyone with half a brain believe that an " ethnic
> majority" of people living in this country, whose native language is
> Spanish is going to adopt ours as their primary language and that this
> will continue to be an English dominant country?
Half the Hispanics in the US were born here, and their de facto native
language is English.
> How dumb do these pro-illegals think we are anyway?
>\
Extremely.
David Eduardo
> haven't you heard?
"Chicano" is by definition a born-here person of Mexican heritage. Most
Chicanos speak English as the primary language, irrespective of whether they
also speak Spanish.
> That means they should know how to speak English
> and therefore eliminates the need for bi-lingual, Spanish speaking
> employees, right?
Many people, no matter how well they learn another language, will be more
receptive in the birth tongue. Knowing this, marketers will take advantage
of the opportunity to increase sales by offering services in that language.
David Eduardo
> Sure David, how long is that nose now, Pinochio?
Unfortunately for you, there are many language usage studies that support my
statements, many of which I have cited. There are none that support your
position.
David Eduardo
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:48:01 GMT, "David Eduardo"
You are oblivious to reality. In a report on KTTV last night, it was stated
that the cause was lack of insurance, not "being illegal." They stated that
uninsured individuals were, in the most part, Americans who were unemployed,
worked for companies with no insurance, or self employed and unable to
afford insurance. A portion of that might be illegals, but to say that
illegals are the cause is untrue.
David Eduardo
Your turn to present proof. Which I did. Which you can not, except via
anecdotal experience based on your mobile home experiences.
Norm
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
Nope Wrong once again David.. in California ALL hospitals that operate
a ER have to admit anyone for any reason that show up whether it is a
private or public hospital. The reason was back in the 50 and 60's
people had been turned away from private hospitals and died because
they didn't receive treatment. This was a law so save lives so that ER
patients could be taken to the nearest ER room.
It has been abused by the brown horde because they use it as their
primary care physician. And Downey is heavily and I mean 60+%
Hispanic... you can't even get that right.
http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~21474~2994640,00.html
Go read... but read between the lines uninsured = illegals and their
family. The hospital is located in a area that has a huge number of
illegals living. Unless you are saaying that huge numbers of "poor"
white are driving for miles to go to this hospital.
pomp...@hotmail.com
going to ask you to define the culture you so zealously are defending.
Ah, the majesty of the law...
pomp...@hotmail.com
we have. Anecdotal evidence, so sue me. There are bound to be some
stats somewhere, what do I care. Anyways, thank you for giving me a
platform to do the thousand times bit of Dr. Goebbels (waaay above your
head, Miados, dont strain your brain):
"It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands
stolen in 1847, keep the best looking gringas, the nicest condos, the
fastest cars, and give the rest back to the Indians." -- His Excellency
Don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.
There, I think its like 678 reps more to go. Thanks again! Maybe I
could engrave it in kind of Tibetan prayer wheels (waaay above you
also, Miados, its OK), plant them close to the lawn chairs of the
minimen and let the winds turn them. Would it be good karma? I mean,
even the gods must have a sense of humor, look around at the crowd that
hangs here! How does the mantra go? Omni padme yadda yadda?
pomp...@hotmail.com
Oh God, let her not be on the sample taken! Please! Such outlier
would invalidate the sample!
David Eduardo
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:48:01 GMT, "David Eduardo"
> <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>>
>>The difference is that a private hospital does not run on public funding,
>>unless they are able to obtain subsidies for the service provided.
>
> Nope Wrong once again David.. in California ALL hospitals that operate
> a ER have to admit anyone for any reason that show up whether it is a
> private or public hospital. The reason was back in the 50 and 60's
> people had been turned away from private hospitals and died because
> they didn't receive treatment. This was a law so save lives so that ER
> patients could be taken to the nearest ER room.
I am aware of the admission regulations. That does not change the fact that
the Downey Regional is a private institution and has no automatic recourse
for the funding of its losses as public facilities have.
>
> It has been abused by the brown horde because they use it as their
> primary care physician. And Downey is heavily and I mean 60+%
> Hispanic... you can't even get that right.
Downey is middle class Hispanic, mostly owner occupied homes, with a median
value in excess of $250,000 dollars. It would be about the least likely
place for illegals to live, as it is realtively expensive. In fact, it is
mostly very nice neighborhoods, especially the ones between Firestone and
the 5 S. of Paramount.
> Go read... but read between the lines uninsured = illegals and their
> family. The hospital is located in a area that has a huge number of
> illegals living. Unless you are saaying that huge numbers of "poor"
> white are driving for miles to go to this hospital.
Uninsured does not mean poor. It means, in many cases, self employed, folks
in thier 50's and early 60's who were early retired and have not reached
Medicaid and Medicare age, and folks who work for many smaller businesses
that have no insurance. The Downy area is much more likely to have that sort
of uninsured than illegals.
>
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:awtIe.1724$fJ1....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Sandy Myers" <sk...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:8559-42F...@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net...
>> GQ, I have said it all along, that since we already have a massive
>> influx of illegals from Mexico and a million or more coming in each year
>> and the high birth rates in general of hispanics, that if this
>> continues we will become a Spanish speaking country. English will
>> take a back seat to Spanish.
>
> You are counting only supposed entries, and not the exits. Net gain is about 300,000 a year.
>>
>> It is only logical that if the majority of the population in this
>> country becomes hispanic, then how could English possibly remain the
>> dominant language in this country? Especially since hispancs are so
>> adamant about retaining their culture and language within this country.
>
> At the present rate, assuming no assimilation, it will take over 100 years for half the population to be
> Hispanic. And second generation and beyond is strongly bilingual and English capable. The fact a person holds on
> to the langauge of the parents (often to communicate with them) does not mean a person is not also fully capable
> in English.
>>
>> Its all BS by David and it always has been. He knows what the future
>> holds in this country and he is relishing it. He and the hispanics in
>> this country try to play it down with their assimilaltion lies.
>
> I don't care what language Hispanics speak. Fully a third of the stations I work with are all or mostly English,
> but aimed at second generation Hispanics or first generation who came here before age 10... who prefer English or
> a mix of both.
And most of your beloved Spanish-speakers shouldn't be
in this country at all.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:niuIe.1741$fJ1....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
Fascinating. What's your point? Or are you just tossing around
factoids to confuse, as usual?
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:l2wIe.2014$C11....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
More irrelevant factoids. Nice going, Davo.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:KtxIe.9981$_%4.4...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Bullshit.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:0YAIe.2171$C11...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
That kind of uninsured? You mean Mexicans who might or might not
be illegal, but who've invaded this country within the past 20 or so years.
They all belong in Mexico.
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
So what? They still have to treat anyone in the ER and eat the costs
of nonpayment.
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
Without the influx of illegals, the burden of treating the uninsured
would not have reached the level of having to close.
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>
>"Norm" <nor...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1qi5f1tjhiag6t7qv...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:48:01 GMT, "David Eduardo"
>> <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The difference is that a private hospital does not run on public funding,
>>>unless they are able to obtain subsidies for the service provided.
>>
>> Nope Wrong once again David.. in California ALL hospitals that operate
>> a ER have to admit anyone for any reason that show up whether it is a
>> private or public hospital. The reason was back in the 50 and 60's
>> people had been turned away from private hospitals and died because
>> they didn't receive treatment. This was a law so save lives so that ER
>> patients could be taken to the nearest ER room.
>
>I am aware of the admission regulations. That does not change the fact that
>the Downey Regional is a private institution and has no automatic recourse
>for the funding of its losses as public facilities have.
What's your point?
>>
>> It has been abused by the brown horde because they use it as their
>> primary care physician. And Downey is heavily and I mean 60+%
>> Hispanic... you can't even get that right.
>
>Downey is middle class Hispanic, mostly owner occupied homes, with a median
>value in excess of $250,000 dollars. It would be about the least likely
>place for illegals to live, as it is realtively expensive. In fact, it is
>mostly very nice neighborhoods, especially the ones between Firestone and
>the 5 S. of Paramount.
Chicken coops in southern California are worth $250,000.
>
>> Go read... but read between the lines uninsured = illegals and their
>> family. The hospital is located in a area that has a huge number of
>> illegals living. Unless you are saaying that huge numbers of "poor"
>> white are driving for miles to go to this hospital.
>
>Uninsured does not mean poor. It means, in many cases, self employed, folks
>in thier 50's and early 60's who were early retired and have not reached
>Medicaid and Medicare age, and folks who work for many smaller businesses
>that have no insurance. The Downy area is much more likely to have that sort
>of uninsured than illegals.
If they can't pay for their treatment, at least via insurance, who
cares if they are "poor".
>>
>
Oliver Costich
And part of the problem is the ilegal immigration of low skilled and
educated followed by excessive breeding.
David Eduardo
"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mgs6f15kibkvggcua...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:48:01 GMT, "David Eduardo"
>>
>>unless they are able to obtain subsidies for the service provided.
>>
> So what? They still have to treat anyone in the ER and eat the costs
> of nonpayment.
The difference being that the losses have to be covered by the owners or
other departments. Public facilities dig into the taxpayers´ pockets.
David Eduardo
>
> If they can't pay for their treatment, at least via insurance, who
> cares if they are "poor".
In a desire to play "pin it on the illegal" this thread is totally
oblivious of the fact that tens of millions of Americans are not insured,
even in Minnesota and places with relatively few immigrants. Small business
can not generally afford insurance, the self employed are often uninsured,
and most early retirees are not, either. The stats are all over the web,
from reliable government sources and independent ones as well.
We have in this instance a health care problem, not an immigration problem.
David Eduardo
>
> And part of the problem is the ilegal immigration of low skilled and
> educated followed by excessive breeding.
>>
Are you speaking of Hispanics today, the Irish in the 1840's or the Italians
after 1880?
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:dTLIe.18$Z8...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Obviously he's referring to hispanics today. What's the point
of your ridiculous question?
David Eduardo
"H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:naOIe.711$iE.688@trnddc06...
The Irish and Italians did not seem to hurt the nation, now did they? Yet
they were the cause of much ranting at the time. Real parallel with today's
immigrant bashing.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:vPLIe.14$Z87...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
So does the closing of a hospital.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:sSLIe.17$Z87...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1ls6f1dgsuaf0r450...@4ax.com...
>>
>> If they can't pay for their treatment, at least via insurance, who
>> cares if they are "poor".
>
> In a desire to play "pin it on the illegal" this thread is totally oblivious of the fact that tens of millions
> of Americans are not insured, even in Minnesota and places with relatively few immigrants.
Minnesota has a large number of immigrants.
> Small business can not generally afford insurance, the self employed are often uninsured, and most early retirees
> are not, either. The stats are all over the web, from reliable government sources and independent ones as well.
>
> We have in this instance a health care problem, not an immigration problem.
Bullshit. Downey, California is packed with Mexicans, legal and illegal.
They're responsible for the closing of the hospital. But spin on, Davo,
as usual.
David Eduardo
No hospital is being closed. Small detail.
David Eduardo
> understand what ILLEGAL means? The Irish and Italians came LEGALLY you
> stupid SOB.
There was no distinction in the 1800's. Legal vs. illegal did not exist...
Tiny Human Ferret
It goes "Enter patria caecorum, luscum omia regnat".
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
Sandy Myers
kicked out of and that you got kicked out of today. Them people
really piss me off anyway.
Sandy Myers
Sandy Myers
having everything for them in their language of "preference", even if
it means displacement of native English speakers in our own American
companies and in our own country. I hope they all hang for treason
along with the hispandering politicians in this country.
Sandy Myers
and my ears are hearing. I don't care what statistics Mr. Reconquista
David spouts.
The more this country caters to hispanics in their language, the less
chance there will be for any future generations to assimilate to our
language. As I said, compound that with their enormous population
growth and you get the real picture. You know David soils his
underwear and drools on his shirt everytime he thinks about it and that
why he lies. He wants it to happen!!!
Sandy Myers
your agenda. I have been for some time. Tick, tick, tick..
Sandy Myers
incident. I have watched this happen for years and it has just
accelerated in the past few years by leaps and bounds. Its like a
cancer in its final stages of growth.
Sandy Myers
Forget that minor little detail, did you?
edi...@netpath.net
> I have said it all along, that since we >already have a massive
>influx of illegals from Mexico and a million >or more coming in each year
>and the high birth rates in general of >hispanics, that if this
>continues we will become a Spanish >speaking country. English will
>take a back seat to Spanish.
No - it will become AMERICAN QUEBEC. There will be a subculture -
very largely limited to illegals and their offspring, and very largely
geographically ghettoized to barrio areas - in which Spanish will be
the dominant, if not sole, language. But - as in Canada - everywhere
else English will remain the sole language.
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H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:0OOIe.33$91...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:naOIe.711$iE.688@trnddc06...
>>
>> "David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:dTLIe.18$Z8...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>> "Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:n4t6f1d4ijl6okkto...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> And part of the problem is the ilegal immigration of low skilled and
>>>> educated followed by excessive breeding.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you speaking of Hispanics today, the Irish in the 1840's or the Italians after 1880?
>>
>> Obviously he's referring to hispanics today. What's the point
>> of your ridiculous question?
>
> The Irish and Italians did not seem to hurt the nation, now did they?
That's a matter of perspective, genius. To many Americans who lived
during the era of massive Irish and Italian immigration, the Irish and
Italians effected, if not diminished, the quality of their lives and
changed the character and future of the nation in ways not necessarily
viewed favorably by those Americans.
> Yet they were the cause of much ranting at the time. Real parallel with today's immigrant bashing.
Are you claiming that today's massive immigration isn't having widely
negative effects on this nation? Come to think of it, you probably are.
But then your sentiments are with the Mexican invasion ... of course.
You have scant knowledge of US history and no historical perspective.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:dSOIe.34$91...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
Actually, many hospitals are being closed, thanks to Mexicans.
David Eduardo
The only hospital in the LA area under any threat of closing is M. l. King,
which is an a nearly 100% Black area and has had management and budget
issues for over a year.
All other cases in this area at least have to do with ER services only. And
that is the case of the Downey center.
Even the original headline about the medical center was a lie. The Downey
center is neither closing nor bankrupt. They are just considering closing
the ER... more as a protest to government authorities who require service be
given to anyone, despite the millions they lose.
There are real hospital closings in places like Detroit, Flint, Toledo,
Youngstown, Huntington, Wheeling, etc. None are due to immigration. They are
due to the rising ranks of the uninsured in the US.
pomp...@hotmail.com
lawn...maybe I will plot more lebensraum takeover plots while doing so,
right? Oh shucks then I have to get a new back tire for my Lexus. OK,
while they change it, I will have time to plot out a new "Trail of
Tears" for your trailer park brethen. LOL!
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:m64Je.3059$fJ1....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
So you actually deny that hospitals have closed and other are closing
because of the millions of foreign parasites who use the emergency rooms
and don't pay their bills? You're full of shit. Here's an example of just
how full of shit you are, from nshp.org, the website of the National
Society of Hispanic Professionals.
Bankrupt hospital serving Hispanic immigrants closing
Submitted by Editor on August 16, 2004 - 16:00. Health
Los Angeles, AP - A financially troubled hospital that served as a principal care destination for Hispanic
immigrants must now close its doors and it has many concerned the closure will overwhelm resources in the city's
remaining emergency rooms.
A federal bankruptcy judge Friday ordered the Elastar Community Hospital in East Los Angeles to shut down. The
80-year-old hospital has racked up more than $10 million in debt and it couldn't afford to pay its roughly 400
workers.
The hospital filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last fall, but it didn't work. It has since been placed
under Chapter 7 protection, which allows for a court-appointed trustee to begin liquidating its assets.
Elastar is the third hospital with an emergency room to close in the county this year.
"We cannot stand any more closures in an emergency system capacity in Los Angeles - this system is on the brink of
absolute chaos," said Jim Lott, the executive vice president of the Hospital Assn. of Southern California.
David Eduardo
Since this story cam first out of my own company's newsroom, I know a bit
about it. The hospital failed not due to illegals, but to the uninsured and
legal. It was also severely mismanaged, and the bankruptcy judge and
administrator have found enormous irregularities. I invite you to Google
this all you want... it was exposed by the Channel 34 LA news department.
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>
>"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:1ls6f1dgsuaf0r450...@4ax.com...
>>
>> If they can't pay for their treatment, at least via insurance, who
>> cares if they are "poor".
>
>In a desire to play "pin it on the illegal" this thread is totally
>oblivious of the fact that tens of millions of Americans are not insured,
>even in Minnesota and places with relatively few immigrants. Small business
>can not generally afford insurance, the self employed are often uninsured,
>and most early retirees are not, either. The stats are all over the web,
>from reliable government sources and independent ones as well.
And you're oblivious to the fact that the added burden of illegals, on
top of the US uninsured, is bankrupting border area services.
>
>We have in this instance a health care problem, not an immigration problem.
You have a health care problem that is pushed into insolvency by the
additional burden from illegals.
>
Oliver Costich
ccording to http://www.city-data.com/city/Downey-California.html, it's
57.9% Hispanic, with a median home value that's quite low for southern
California.
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
>
>"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:mgs6f15kibkvggcua...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:48:01 GMT, "David Eduardo"
>>>
>>>The difference is that a private hospital does not run on public funding,
>>>unless they are able to obtain subsidies for the service provided.
>>>
>> So what? They still have to treat anyone in the ER and eat the costs
>> of nonpayment.
>
>The difference being that the losses have to be covered by the owners or
>other departments. Public facilities dig into the taxpayers´ pockets.
>
And both go out of business when pushed hard enough.
Oliver Costich
I guess that proves it, LA being the whole border region.
>
>All other cases in this area at least have to do with ER services only. And
>that is the case of the Downey center.
And that's not a severe problem?
>
>Even the original headline about the medical center was a lie. The Downey
>center is neither closing nor bankrupt. They are just considering closing
>the ER... more as a protest to government authorities who require service be
>given to anyone, despite the millions they lose.
Which is exactly the point.
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
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>"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:n4t6f1d4ijl6okkto...@4ax.com...
>>
>> And part of the problem is the ilegal immigration of low skilled and
>> educated followed by excessive breeding.
>>>
>
>Are you speaking of Hispanics today, the Irish in the 1840's or the Italians
>after 1880?
>
The Hispanics of today, when the rest of the country has discovered
birth control and population management. Repeating mistakes doesn't
provide justification.
Oliver Costich
<histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:dTLIe.18$Z8...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> "Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:n4t6f1d4ijl6okkto...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> And part of the problem is the ilegal immigration of low skilled and
>>> educated followed by excessive breeding.
>>>>
>>
>> Are you speaking of Hispanics today, the Irish in the 1840's or the Italians after 1880?
>
> Obviously he's referring to hispanics today. What's the point
>of your ridiculous question?
>
He has no other argument. Apparently for David, the past isn't over.
The lack of capacity to handle the population growth and expanded
social services of the present time, compared to earlier periods of
immigration, seems to elude him
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
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>"H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:naOIe.711$iE.688@trnddc06...
>>
>> "David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message
>> news:dTLIe.18$Z8...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>> "Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:n4t6f1d4ijl6okkto...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> And part of the problem is the ilegal immigration of low skilled and
>>>> educated followed by excessive breeding.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you speaking of Hispanics today, the Irish in the 1840's or the
>>> Italians after 1880?
>>
>> Obviously he's referring to hispanics today. What's the point
>> of your ridiculous question?
>
>The Irish and Italians did not seem to hurt the nation, now did they? Yet
>they were the cause of much ranting at the time. Real parallel with today's
>immigrant bashing.
>
Hardly parallel at all. The social cost spending required in those
earlier times was a pittance compared to what is provided now.
Oliver Costich
<amd...@pacbell.com> wrote:
And now it does. That's the point.
And I really don't care if it's legal or illegal. Immigration to
simply provde corporations with cheap labor and higher profits at the
expense of the taxpayer is ourrageous.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:pI8Je.3252$fJ1....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
Amazing. You'll spin anything, won't you. What exactly don't you understand
about these words: "A financially troubled hospital that served as a
principal care destination for Hispanic immigrants." My argument
isn't merely that illegals cost us, but that Mexicans in general
cost us. They're parasites. They're ruining schools, hospitals,
neighborhoods, anything they touch. And after reading
that article, you claim that gosh, it isn't illegals who are
ruining the hospitals. It's the legals. How would you
or anyone know if the "hispanics" creating the
destruction are legal or illegal, as the media these
days uses the term "immigrants" to describe both
legal and illegal. Frankly, I don't give a shit. They're
Mexicans, parasites, colonists, and you're their apologist
bullshitter.
Sandy Myers
the Manifest Destiny BS?
David Eduardo
Yet it is a relatively crime free area, and the neighborhoods are clean, and
the schools relatively good. It's Hispanics' version of the American Dream
in action.
David Eduardo
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:49:54 GMT, "David Eduardo"
>
>>
>>center is neither closing nor bankrupt. They are just considering closing
>>the ER... more as a protest to government authorities who require service
>>be
>>given to anyone, despite the millions they lose.
>
> Which is exactly the point.
>
However, the cause is not illegal immigrants. It is the high percentage of
California employers who offer no insurance and the lack of the self
employed to be able to afford insurance.
H. Reader
"David Eduardo" <amd...@pacbell.com> wrote in message news:3_eJe.3357$fJ1....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
Your claim has some truth to it. Unions used to protect workers and
insist that employers provide benefits. A result of millions of your beloved
Mexicans storming into this country is the weakening of unions. Nice
going.
pomp...@hotmail.com
bark, girl, bark...
"It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands
stolen in 1847 and keep the best looking gringas, the nicest condos,
and the fastest cars." -- His Excellency don Antonio Lopez de Santa
Anna...
pomp...@hotmail.com
"It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands
taken in 1847 and keep the best looking gringas, the nicest condos, the
fastest cars, and give the rest back to the Indians." -- His Excellency
don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna.
Now, after the Reconquista, I guess we could make the nicest gringas
bedwarmers since they can't cook. I'd have a couple of the Dallas
Cowboys cheerleaders and a six pack of viagra. Lupita could handle the
cooking and make me some decent huevos rancheros. I guess the condo
would be OK in California until it all slides into the water anyway.
(Might install one of them mirrors above the ceiling, you know.) As
regards the ride, I'd have to make sure the top of the line Lexus has
them fuzzy dice and get a homie to paint the Virgin of Guadalupe and
Juan Diego on it. Don't know if you can turn a Lexus into a lowrider
but I'd try. Let the tribes have the rest, set up some nice casinos,
what the hell. All this talk about huevos rancheros just got me
hungry. I guess I am mosing down to the carniceria to see if they have
any carnitas.
Sandy Myers
immigrations laws does not make me a stupid, inbred redneck.
Sandy Myers
a "real reconquista movement" in this country, as though it doesn't
really exist. We Americans don't find the takeover or reconquista of
parts of our country a laughing matter or anything to make jokes about.
pomp...@hotmail.com
pomp...@hotmail.com
is ridiculous and therefore worthy of poking fun at! And guess what,
you can't do anything about what I feel like posting! Stick that on
the wash along with your white KKK sheets! At least accept that the
whole Reconquista concept would only draw a blank stare IN MEXICO. I
doubt that any of the mojados have any thought on the matter! Its all
a construct of some aging brown berets, chicanos in fact. Therefore,
it is a chimera that exists on the minds of some stoned chicanos and
some paranoid rednecks! Definitely worth poking fun at!
"It is the Manifest Destine of the Mexican People to recover the lands
stolen in 1847 and keep the best looking gringas, the nicest condos,
and the fastest cars." -- His Excellency don Antonio Lopez de Santa
Anna
(That makes it, I think 381 repetitions. 619 to go. I hope Dr.
Goebbels was right.)
pomp...@hotmail.com
Tiny Human Ferret
> Dang! You got me THF! Translate please!
Whassamatter, you speak Espa~ol but no Latin?
Spanish is just "vulgar" Latin, influenced by regional pronunciation and
then a lot of slang.
"Enter patria caecorum, luscum omia regnat".
I think I did a very bad conjugation on the concluding verb, and also
did a typographical error (my bad) but it was meant to say "
"{enter patria caecorum}" {"throughout the country of the blind"}
"{luscum omnia regnat}"
"{One-Eye, over all, shall rule}"
Usually it's misquoted as something like "in regione caecoram, luscum
rex imperator omnis" (which I think is actually like "in the land of
blind people, one-eye the king overlords everything"). Sorry, my latin
was never good and is very rusty since nobody speaks it anymore except
for old guys in the Vatican. It's supposed to mean "in the country of
the blind, the one-eyed man is king".
But this reminds me: If you have never read it, you are in for a treat.
Probably everyone will hate me because you will read this and come back
with even more of the "mordant" or "mordacious" wit. Try to find a copy
of "Dangerous Visions", the anthology edited by Harlan Ellison, and read
"Riders of the Purple Wage", by Philip Jose Farmer. You might find
yourself shocked by the prescience of his vision, especially as regards
his expectations of 21st-century trailer-trash on Welfare with InterNet.
You may also never stop laughing. It's also a test of your cultural
literacy in english-literature. Whatever drugs he was on when he wrote
it, I want a metric tonne.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
Sandy Myers
you call us rednecks? LOL A redneck would be several steps up from
what you are.
Sandy Myers
before our eyes. The eyes don't deceive.
Sandy Myers
illerate third world Mexicans that you love so much.