A history lesson
Ed Valle
"Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ed Valley says:
> <<And there are other idiots that try to convince
> people that that lovely piece of real estate was
> taken from the indians and not from Mexico>>
>
> damn right.
>
Thanks for agreeing with me, Leusogafofomaaitulagi, but the word "idiots" is
plural, where is the other one?
>
> You Hispanicks stole the southwest from the Indians.
>
Mexicans were revolutionaries not gringo thieves.
>
> Then did nothing with the land. Half hearted attempts
> to settle the land.
>
You're right. Mexicans never renegaded on signed treaties nor used famine
and biological weapons against men, women and children to "settle" the land
just like your beloved Anglos did.
As a matter of fact, I don't know of any formal attempts to develop that
land as the Mexicans of the time were very busy fighting off a bunch of
criollos who thought their shit didn't stink and therefore had the right to
be ordained Emperors of Mexico, not to mention the backstabbers who came to
us as friends with a smile in their faces to settle in Tejas followed by the
always "impartial" neighbors to the North, nor the other white Europeans who
were so eager to follow on the footsteps of the filthy butchers from Spain.
>
> It wasn't until the Anglos came and turned the land into
> gold that you Hispanicks then started to sneak in and
> demand into the society created by the Anglos.
>
Blood is red, not gold. You should be honored to have such brave men and
women living and working peacefully with you in spite of your many sins
instead of killing you at every turn. I am sure you wouldn't hesitate to put
down the first soldier killed in action in the current war as just another
"hispanick", right? wouldn't surprise me one bit, after all, that is what
you call those useful fools with Spanish surnames at El Alamo.
>
> You see, Senyor Valley, you Hispanicks are not
> genetically capable of creating a successful country
> as Anglos are.
>
And yet you trade with the Americas at the tune of billions of dollars every
year. Imagine that, Mexicans are a people who fought their way out of 300
years of slavery by defeating a white European country in a bloody war,
lived thru military interventions, revolts and civil unrest for another
century and now control a territory so rich as to be in danger of
unwillingly becoming the 51th state.
Not a successful country, huh, Leusogafofomaaitulagi?
Ed.
--
"Para muestra un boton."
-- dicho popular
Sandy Myers
guiltless in past history of conquering another nation/peoples. The
fact remains that the southwestern U.S. NOW belongs to the U.S.
government, however it was attained. Too bad if you don't like it!
Now why don't you people do something constructive with the land that is
NOW called Mexico and leave us alone!
Ed Valle
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
Try again, Douglas, when you have grown some balls. Thanks.
Ed.
Squanto
Ed Valle <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
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Yeah.... get some balls... just like the millions of cockroaches scurrying
away from the country they proclaim to love yet do not have the backbone,
the guts, the wherewithal to fight for what is right in their racist corrupt
backwards pices of crap country.
Real brave vatos running away to suck the sap of a successful society.
Mere parasites with hands outextended for as many freebies as possible.
Yeah.... get some balls just like the invaders.
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Lets Roll
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> [SCU, SCS and API added to the cesspool]
>
> "Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030323145528...@mb-ma.aol.com...
> >
> > Ed Valley says:
> > <<And there are other idiots that try to convince
> > people that that lovely piece of real estate was
> > taken from the indians and not from Mexico>>
> >
> > damn right.
> >
>
> Thanks for agreeing with me, Leusogafofomaaitulagi, but the word "idiots"
is
> plural, where is the other one?
>
> >
> > You Hispanicks stole the southwest from the Indians.
> >
>
> Mexicans were revolutionaries not gringo thieves.
>
Yeah, and they still are. Those revolting little revolutionaries are
starting to get on some American nerves, too.
> >
> > Then did nothing with the land. Half hearted attempts
> > to settle the land.
> >
>
> You're right. Mexicans never renegaded on signed treaties nor used famine
> and biological weapons against men, women and children to "settle" the
land
> just like your beloved Anglos did.
>
Nah, they just founded an entire religion based on human sacrifice.
Throughout Mesoamerica, the theology involved the concept that the gods gave
things to human beings only if they were nourished by human beings. Among
the Maya, for instance, the priests would nourish the gods by drawing their
own blood by piercing their tongues, ears, extremities, or genitals. Other
sacrifices involved prayer, offerings of food, sports, and even dramas. The
Aztecs practiced all of these sacrifices, including blood-letting. But the
Aztec theologians also developed the notion that the gods are best nourished
by the living hearts of sacrificed captives; the braver the captive, the
more nourishing the sacrifice. This theology led to widespread wars of
conquest in search of sacrificial victims both captured in war and paid as
tribute by a conquered people.
We can successfully reconstruct Aztec human sacrifice with a high level
of accuracy. Some sacrifices were very minimal, involving the sacrifice of a
slave to a minor god, and some were very spectacular, involving hundreds or
thousands of captives. Aztec history claims that Ahuitzotl (1468-1502), who
preceded Mocteuzma II as king, sacrificed 20,000 people after a campaign in
Oaxaca ("O-a-sha-ka"). No matter what the size of the sacrifice, it was
always performed the same way. The victim was held down by four priests on
an altar at the top of a pyramid or raised temple while the officiant made
an incision below the rib cage and pulled out the living heart. The heart
was then burned and the corpse was pushed down the steep steps; a very brave
or noble victim was carried down the steps. The most brutal of human
sacrifices were those dedicated to the god Huehueteotl. Sacrificial victims
were drugged and then thrown into a fire at the top of the ceremonial
platform. Before they were killed by the fire, they were dragged out with
hooks and their living hearts were pulled out and thrown back into the fire.
The history of the Tenochca (Aztecs) is among the best preserved of the
Mesoamericans. They date the beginning of their history to 1168 and their
origins to an island in the middle of a lake north of the Valley of Mexico.
Their god, Huitzilopochtli, commanded them on a journey to the south and
they arrived in the Valley of Mexico in 1248. According to their history,
the Tenochca were originally peaceful, but their Chichimec ways, especially
their practice of human sacrifice, revolted other peoples who banded
together and crushed their tribe. In 1300, the Tenochcas became vassals of
the town of Culhuacan; some escaped to settle on an island in the middle of
the lake. The town they founded was Tenochtitlan, or "place of the
Tenochcas." Now known as Mexico City.
> As a matter of fact, I don't know of any formal attempts to develop that
> land as the Mexicans of the time were very busy fighting off a bunch of
> criollos who thought their shit didn't stink and therefore had the right
to
> be ordained Emperors of Mexico, not to mention the backstabbers who came
to
> us as friends with a smile in their faces to settle in Tejas followed by
the
> always "impartial" neighbors to the North, nor the other white Europeans
who
> were so eager to follow on the footsteps of the filthy butchers from
Spain.
>
The Texas Revolution is a war mexico lost. Care to fight it again? Of
course the modern day version of mexican warriors more resemble a pack of
coyotes too cowardly to even declare war then they do warriors.
> >
> > It wasn't until the Anglos came and turned the land into
> > gold that you Hispanicks then started to sneak in and
> > demand into the society created by the Anglos.
> >
>
> Blood is red, not gold. You should be honored to have such brave men and
> women living and working peacefully with you in spite of your many sins
> instead of killing you at every turn. I am sure you wouldn't hesitate to
put
> down the first soldier killed in action in the current war as just another
> "hispanick", right? wouldn't surprise me one bit, after all, that is what
> you call those useful fools with Spanish surnames at El Alamo.
>
If Saddam thinks bombs are bad news, just wait until he gets a taste of our
secret weapon: 12 million wetbacks staged on his southern border.
> >
> > You see, Senyor Valley, you Hispanicks are not
> > genetically capable of creating a successful country
> > as Anglos are.
> >
>
> And yet you trade with the Americas at the tune of billions of dollars
every
> year. Imagine that, Mexicans are a people who fought their way out of 300
> years of slavery by defeating a white European country in a bloody war,
> lived thru military interventions, revolts and civil unrest for another
> century and now control a territory so rich as to be in danger of
> unwillingly becoming the 51th state.
>
Who was enslaving who again, mojado?
Slavery was common among the Aztecs; it was not, however, racial or
permanent. One became a slave by being captured in war, by committing
certain crimes, such as theft, by voluntarily entering into slavery, or by
being sold by one's parents. If one was captured in war, slavery was a
pleasant option, for the purpose of Aztec warfare was primarily the capture
of live human sacrifices. If, however, one had a useful trade, the Tenochca
would forego the sacrifice and employ the captive in that trade.
> Not a successful country, huh, Leusogafofomaaitulagi?
>
> Ed.
>
So you are telling us 12 million illegal aliens from mexico are not here
just to work, and that work is readily available in mexico. We already knew
that. We are just wondering when we are going to start dropping bombs on
Mexico City for sending hostile forces into our country.
Ed Valle
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>
> "Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > news:20030323145528...@mb-ma.aol.com...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Mexicans were revolutionaries not gringo thieves.
> >
>
> Yeah, and they still are.
>
Gringos are still thieves? you don't say, Roll.
>
> Those revolting little revolutionaries are starting to
> get on some American nerves, too.
>
Talk about stealing one's identity. Please explain which Americans you're
referring to, thief.
>
> > >
> > > Then did nothing with the land. Half hearted attempts
> > > to settle the land.
> > >
> >
> > You're right. Mexicans never renegaded on signed treaties
> > nor used famine and biological weapons against men, women
> > and children to "settle" the land just like your beloved Anglos did.
> >
> Nah, they just founded an entire religion based on human sacrifice.
>
You make the same mistake than the one who sucks his mother's tits. Mexico
exists since 1810. Everything else was inherited when we beat the crap out
of those assholes from Spain. It is because of this ignorance that you're
attempt at diversion is dismissed with prejudice, unless you'd like to
explain why the morals of a civilization that existed more than 500 years
ago somehow exenorates you from those atrocities you are so proud of.
Go ahead, thief, address the issues instead of playing that
pseudo-intelectual crap on me.
(sheer stupidity deleted)
>
> > As a matter of fact, I don't know of any formal
> > attempts to develop that land as the Mexicans of
> > the time were very busy fighting off a bunch of
> > criollos who thought their shit didn't stink and
> > therefore had the right to be ordained Emperors
> > of Mexico, not to mention the backstabbers who
> > came to us as friends with a smile in their faces to
> > settle in Tejas followed by the always "impartial"
> > neighbors to the North, nor the other white
> > Europeans who were so eager to follow on the
> > footsteps of the filthy butchers from Spain.
> >
>
> The Texas Revolution is a war mexico lost. Care to
> fight it again? Of course the modern day version
> of mexican warriors more resemble a pack of
> coyotes too cowardly to even declare war then
> they do warriors.
>
You also have the same problems understanding what you read as that coward
who hides behind his mommy's dress to reply to me. You want another fight?
bring it on, thief. We'll see how cowardly that pack of coyotes really is.
>
> > >
> > > It wasn't until the Anglos came and turned the land into
> > > gold that you Hispanicks then started to sneak in and
> > > demand into the society created by the Anglos.
> > >
> >
> > Blood is red, not gold. You should be honored to have
> > such brave men and women living and working peacefully
> > with you in spite of your many sins instead of killing you
> > at every turn. I am sure you wouldn't hesitate to put down
> > the first soldier killed in action in the current war as just
> > another "hispanick", right? wouldn't surprise me one bit,
> > after all, that is what you call those useful fools with Spanish
> > surnames at El Alamo.
> >
>
> If Saddam thinks bombs are bad news, just wait until he gets
> a taste of our secret weapon: 12 million wetbacks staged on
> his southern border.
>
Now, that would be funny if not for such grotesque disrespect for what is
currently happenning over there.
> > >
> > > You see, Senyor Valley, you Hispanicks are not
> > > genetically capable of creating a successful country
> > > as Anglos are.
> > >
> >
> > And yet you trade with the Americas at the tune of billions
> > of dollars every year. Imagine that, Mexicans are a people
> > who fought their way out of 300 years of slavery by
> > defeating a white European country in a bloody war,
> > lived thru military interventions, revolts and civil unrest for
> > another century and now control a territory so rich as to be
> > in danger of unwillingly becoming the 51th state.
> >
>
> Who was enslaving who again, mojado?
>
Spain. Another white central European country. Please pay attention to what
you read, thief.
(more stupidity dutifully deleted)
>
> > Not a successful country, huh, Leusogafofomaaitulagi?
> >
> So you are telling us 12 million illegal aliens from mexico
> are not here just to work, and that work is readily available
> in mexico. We already knew that.
>
This is getting really tiresome, are all gringo patriots as stupid as you
are or is this a ploy to discourage debate you can't stomach?
>
> We are just wondering when we are going to start
> dropping bombs on Mexico City for sending hostile
> forces into our country.
>
You wouldn't recognize hostile forces even if they were rolling on heavy
armored vehicles across the Arizona desert.
But don't let your stupidity discourage you, bring it on, thief.
Ed.
Ed Valle
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>
> Ed Valle <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
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> > "D. Long" <dkl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:b5q8bi$cuo$1...@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > x-no-archive: yes
> > >
> >
> > Try again, Douglas, when you have grown some balls. Thanks.
> >
> > Ed.
> >
>
> Yeah.... get some balls... just like the millions of
> cockroaches scurrying away from the country they
> proclaim to love yet do not have the backbone,
> the guts, the wherewithal to fight for what is right
> in their racist corrupt backwards pices of crap country.
>
You're an idiot, Squanto. Please tell me, has Douglas appointed you to fight
his flame wars for him?
But let me address your stupidity as well. Mexicans showed what kind of
weapons they had when they went against an army supplied by the most
powerful arms dealer in the world. You call cowards to poor, ignorant
peasants from central Mexico who decided that fighting such an army with
their bare hands was not very smart.
You, on the other hand, have access to very sophisticated weaponry, so
please tell me, are you now engaging the regulars of the American army for
neglecting the border for the past 50 years or are you just another lowlife
scum bag without the backbone, the guts, the wherewithal to fight for what
is right in their racist corrupt backwards pices of crap country?
>
> Real brave vatos running away to suck the sap of a
> successful society.
>
> Mere parasites with hands outextended for as many
> freebies as possible.
>
> Yeah.... get some balls just like the invaders.
>
Jeeezzzz, responding to such stupidity is really getting out of my league,
but I always enjoy a challenge when brought on by simpletons like you and
that pussy boy you are so hellbent on defending.
Your turn, asshole.
Ed.
Squanto
Maybe.... maybe not. But, if the longed-for day of reckoning occurs, the
outraged citizenry will destroy you and yours.
Ed Valle
>
> Maybe.... maybe not. But, if the longed-for day of
> reckoning occurs, the outraged citizenry will destroy
> you and yours.
>
Bring it on, stupid asshole.
Ed.
Lets Roll
> "Lets Roll" <Lets...@Meet-Me-In-Hell.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:20030323145528...@mb-ma.aol.com...
> > > >
> > > > You Hispanicks stole the southwest from the Indians.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mexicans were revolutionaries not gringo thieves.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, and they still are.
> >
>
> Gringos are still thieves? you don't say, Roll.
>
Nice try at perversion, pervert, but no frijoles. meskins have the
stereotype of being thieves for a very good reason; they always have been
and always will be thieving mojados.
http://newstribune.com/stories/032503/loc_0325030916.asp
Nine Mexicans pleaded guilty in federal court Monday to being illegal
aliens.
...pleaded guilty to illegally entering the United States and having false
identification in hand. They also had counterfeit resident alien cards and
Social Security cards.
> >
> > Those revolting little revolutionaries are starting to
> > get on some American nerves, too.
> >
>
> Talk about stealing one's identity. Please explain which Americans you're
> referring to, thief.
>
hey mojado, meskins are not Americans, and they don't want to be.
A quote from your hermano;
"I am not an American. There is nothing about me that is American. I don't
want to be an American, and I have just as much right to be here as any of
you." Thus spoke one individual identified as a "Latino activist" during a
session of the "National Conversation on American Pluralism and Identity," a
$4 million project funded by the National Endowment for the Humanities.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Then did nothing with the land. Half hearted attempts
> > > > to settle the land.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You're right. Mexicans never renegaded on signed treaties
> > > nor used famine and biological weapons against men, women
> > > and children to "settle" the land just like your beloved Anglos did.
> > >
> > Nah, they just founded an entire religion based on human sacrifice.
> >
>
> You make the same mistake than the one who sucks his mother's tits. Mexico
> exists since 1810. Everything else was inherited when we beat the crap out
> of those assholes from Spain. It is because of this ignorance that you're
> attempt at diversion is dismissed with prejudice, unless you'd like to
> explain why the morals of a civilization that existed more than 500 years
> ago somehow exenorates you from those atrocities you are so proud of.
>
> Go ahead, thief, address the issues instead of playing that
> pseudo-intelectual crap on me.
>
> (sheer stupidity deleted)
>
The issue is there are 12 million wetbacks in this country, and there are
some Americans getting plenty pissed about it. And we really don't care any
more about meskin history than meskins do about American history. That is
your problem.
Sorry you don't like your cultural history, mojado, which was based on human
sacrifices and created your wonderful third world capital Mexico City on the
foundations of thousands of human hearts carved from living bodies.
Read and enjoy the tale of your cultural roots again, mojado, this one they
won't advertise during the multicultural sales job they do every year
otherwise known as latino heritage month.
> >
> > > As a matter of fact, I don't know of any formal
> > > attempts to develop that land as the Mexicans of
> > > the time were very busy fighting off a bunch of
> > > criollos who thought their shit didn't stink and
> > > therefore had the right to be ordained Emperors
> > > of Mexico, not to mention the backstabbers who
> > > came to us as friends with a smile in their faces to
> > > settle in Tejas followed by the always "impartial"
> > > neighbors to the North, nor the other white
> > > Europeans who were so eager to follow on the
> > > footsteps of the filthy butchers from Spain.
> > >
> >
> > The Texas Revolution is a war mexico lost. Care to
> > fight it again? Of course the modern day version
> > of mexican warriors more resemble a pack of
> > coyotes too cowardly to even declare war then
> > they do warriors.
> >
>
> You also have the same problems understanding what you read as that coward
> who hides behind his mommy's dress to reply to me. You want another fight?
> bring it on, thief. We'll see how cowardly that pack of coyotes really is.
>
It is starting, mojado. I just wish you greasy slime balls from mexico
would grow enough
conjones to shoot back so we could get this show on the road.
I'm sure you will find the reference most reliable, mojado.
http://www.splcenter.org/cgi-bin/goframe.pl?refname=/intelligenceproject/ip-
4q1.html
Sitting in a drab, one-story building in Douglas, Ariz., not too far from
Roger Barnett's ranch, the Mexican consul is leafing slowly through a
lengthy report. Marked "CONFIDENTIAL," Escobar's report carries a title
which leaves little to the imagination: "Incidents in Which Armed Private
Citizens Threatened and Apprehended Individuals Presumed to be Undocumented
Migrants."
One woman, the report says, was apparently fired on three times as she
crossed a nearby ranch. Nine migrants say they were stopped by a local who
fired half a dozen shots at them. A group of 13 claims a rancher's wife set
a German Shepherd on one of them while her husband held the rest at
gunpoint. Armed ranchers forced two cars off a public road and held the 16
migrants in them until the Border Patrol showed up. In incident after
incident - 28 in all, just in this small sector of the border over 17
months - angry white ranchers allegedly used weapons and threats, and
sometimes violence, to "arrest" illegal aliens.
"I am very worried about the situation," Escobar said slowly as he spoke of
the growing potential of an anti-immigration movement with an increasingly
racist and vigilante edge. "We are all afraid of more blood on the border."
> >
> > > >
> > > > It wasn't until the Anglos came and turned the land into
> > > > gold that you Hispanicks then started to sneak in and
> > > > demand into the society created by the Anglos.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Blood is red, not gold. You should be honored to have
> > > such brave men and women living and working peacefully
> > > with you in spite of your many sins instead of killing you
> > > at every turn. I am sure you wouldn't hesitate to put down
> > > the first soldier killed in action in the current war as just
> > > another "hispanick", right? wouldn't surprise me one bit,
> > > after all, that is what you call those useful fools with Spanish
> > > surnames at El Alamo.
> > >
> >
> > If Saddam thinks bombs are bad news, just wait until he gets
> > a taste of our secret weapon: 12 million wetbacks staged on
> > his southern border.
> >
>
> Now, that would be funny if not for such grotesque disrespect for what is
> currently happenning over there.
>
Eh, mojado, all the illegals in this country just want a job. What is
happening over there right now is only the beginning.
There is going to be a lot of building going on in Baghdad in the near
future.
Sounds like ol' boy over might need a few meskins to do those "jobs
Americans won't do." Maybe somebody should warn them about allowing
construction crews. Marines are one thing, but contractors with truck loads
of day laborers would blow out what ever the Marines left behind.
> > > >
> > > > You see, Senyor Valley, you Hispanicks are not
> > > > genetically capable of creating a successful country
> > > > as Anglos are.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And yet you trade with the Americas at the tune of billions
> > > of dollars every year. Imagine that, Mexicans are a people
> > > who fought their way out of 300 years of slavery by
> > > defeating a white European country in a bloody war,
> > > lived thru military interventions, revolts and civil unrest for
> > > another century and now control a territory so rich as to be
> > > in danger of unwillingly becoming the 51th state.
> > >
> >
> > Who was enslaving who again, mojado?
> >
>
> Spain. Another white central European country. Please pay attention to
what
> you read, thief.
>
> (more stupidity dutifully deleted)
>
It must be terribly painful to be so shamed by your cultural history that
you think it is stupid and even try to refuse that it exists. Your
ancestors enslaved people who were grateful to be enslaved because the
alternative was to have their living heart cut from their bodies. You might
wish Norte Americanos would forget your past, but we won't, and we won't let
you, no more than you will let us forget ours with the American Indians.
The difference is, we own up to ours, you sneaky little thieves try to keep
your skeletons in the closet, don't you, mojado? Read this excerpt from the
encyclopedia again, mojado. It doesn't mention anything about the Spanish
enslaving anyone; it discusses your ancestors enslaving people, mojado.
Slavery was common among the Aztecs; it was not, however, racial or
permanent. One became a slave by being captured in war, by committing
certain crimes, such as theft, by voluntarily entering into slavery, or by
being sold by one's parents. If one was captured in war, slavery was a
pleasant option, for the purpose of Aztec warfare was primarily the capture
of live human sacrifices. If, however, one had a useful trade, the Tenochca
would forego the sacrifice and employ the captive in that trade.
> >
> > > Not a successful country, huh, Leusogafofomaaitulagi?
> > >
> > So you are telling us 12 million illegal aliens from mexico
> > are not here just to work, and that work is readily available
> > in mexico. We already knew that.
> >
>
> This is getting really tiresome, are all gringo patriots as stupid as you
> are or is this a ploy to discourage debate you can't stomach?
>
Well, mojado, either mexico is successful and can provide her people with
sustenance, or she can't. There are 12 million mojados in this country as
testimony to the fact that mexico is a failed country, and they never had
what it takes to create a viable society beyond what they can leech off
their neighbors. It is either that, or what many of us Norte Americanos are
coming to believe, and that all the mojados are actually a hostile
invasionary and occupational force sent to destroy our country. The only
debate is in your own mind, mojado. You can't boast of a sucessful nation
in one breath and plead for illegal aliens who only want to work in the
next.
> >
> > We are just wondering when we are going to start
> > dropping bombs on Mexico City for sending hostile
> > forces into our country.
> >
>
> You wouldn't recognize hostile forces even if they were rolling on heavy
> armored vehicles across the Arizona desert.
>
Interesting you should mention that, mojado.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/7/134033.shtml
March 12, 2003
It's the war nobody wants to talk about: well-armed Mexican soldiers
storming across America's southern border, sometimes with guns blazing.
"We are in state of war," Edward Nelson, chairman of U.S. Border Control,
told Soldier of Fortune magazine. "And we are fighting enemies who have
brought the battle to our shores. If ever there was a time for the United
States to put troops on the border, it is now."
A blockbuster exposé in the magazine's March issue notes that over the past
five years, there have been 120 documented incidents of Mexican
military/police incursions, sometimes resulting in the arrest of Mexican
army personnel on U.S. soil by Border Patrol agents.
> But don't let your stupidity discourage you, bring it on, thief.
>
> Ed.
The stupid ones are the ones are the mojados who will be caught still
lurking in this country one day soon.
--
To the People of Texas and All Americans in the World--
Fellow Citizens and Compatriots
I am besieged with a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna. I
have sustained a continual Bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours and have
not lost a man. The enemy has demanded surrender at discretion, otherwise,
the garrison is to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken. I have
answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly
over the wall. I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in
the name of Liberty, of patriotism, of everything dear to the American
character, to come to our aid with all dispatch. The enemy is receiving
reinforcements daily and will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in
four or five days. If this call is neglected I am determined to sustain
myself as long as possible and die like a solder who never forgets what is
due his honor and that of his country.
VICTORY OR DEATH
William Barret Travis
Lt. Col. Comd't
Squanto
Omaha Nebraska. There's a boxing ring here. We could have a charity boxing
match. All legalities followed. Plenty of observers and refereeing and
guards etc. so that neither you nor I pull out a piece and blow each other
away.
All profits to the charity of the winner's choice. This is the same offer I
extended to the politician puke I consider to be a traitor; Lee Terry. He
never replied.
I imagine an event such as this would be advertised widely by the Web. The
patriots against the invasion against the panderer wanting America invaded.
There is the possibility this could be a huge event.
I am stuck in the Omaha Nebraska area for at least 9 more months.
Whaddya' think?
alaksawarrior
civilized people in this case mexico.
i feel sorry for the mexican having such a piece of shit lliving next door
to them
i suggest the mexicans cross the border peacefully and take their land back.
"Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> schreef in bericht
news:b5p0e3$2bdc3v$1...@ID-85667.news.dfncis.de...
A Common Guy
Lets Roll
"alaksawarrior" <kne...@berlin.de> wrote in message
news:b5rhk2$a8m$1...@reader08.wxs.nl...
> listen up you stupid american bastards. as usual you stole land from
> civilized people in this case mexico.
> i feel sorry for the mexican having such a piece of shit lliving next door
> to them
> i suggest the mexicans cross the border peacefully and take their land
back.
What an interesting mentality. You are trying to convince us that the
Texas Revolution and the mexican-American war meant absolutely nothing, and
all those men died for no reason at all. If those wars meant nothing, it
follows that WWI and WWII didn't mean anything either, and Hitler will rise
in Germany again, no matter the outcome of previous wars. It meant nothing
to fight the Taliban, because they are incrementally going to retake power
in Afghanistan, and the current conflict in Iraq is equally meaningless
because no matter what is accomplished a Saddam will eventually take power
again.
What part of "mexico lost the war" don't you dipwads understand? Are we
really going to have to fight another mexican-American war?
Lets Roll
"A Common Guy" <no_more_w...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5s0si$sa2$1...@news.ctimail.com...
> History teach us wars cannot give peace!
>
>
It got pretty darn peaceful in Hiroshima after the war was over.
Haven't had much of a problem with Japan since. mexicans are not that smart
and it looks like they need lesson two about warring for territory.
Ed Valle
>
> "Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
> news:b5qphs$2ca9ap$1...@ID-85667.news.dfncis.de...
> > "Lets Roll" <Lets...@Meet-Me-In-Hell.com> wrote in message
> > news:3e80...@news.starnetusa.net...
> > >
> > > "Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b5p0e3$2bdc3v$1...@ID-85667.news.dfncis.de...
> > > >
> > > > "Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:20030323145528...@mb-ma.aol.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > You Hispanicks stole the southwest from the Indians.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mexicans were revolutionaries not gringo thieves.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, and they still are.
> > >
> >
> > Gringos are still thieves? you don't say, Roll.
> >
>
> Nice try at perversion, pervert, but no frijoles. meskins have the
> stereotype of being thieves for a very good reason; they always
> have been and always will be thieving mojados.
>
Hello thief,
If you pay attention to what was being said you may realize that it could go
both ways, but I wont hold my breath, tho, I already know what a stupid
idiot you really are.
>
> http://newstribune.com/stories/032503/loc_0325030916.asp
> Nine Mexicans pleaded guilty in federal court Monday to being illegal
> aliens.
> ...pleaded guilty to illegally entering the United States and having false
> identification in hand. They also had counterfeit resident alien cards and
> Social Security cards.
>
See? what did I just say? There are millions of others who came here legally
and are under the protection of the federal government. Of course, that
didn't stop the murderous gringo patriots from killing the indians in the
shadows of the American flag, did it?
> > >
> > > Those revolting little revolutionaries are starting to
> > > get on some American nerves, too.
> > >
> >
> > Talk about stealing one's identity. Please explain which Americans
you're
> > referring to, thief.
> >
>
> hey mojado, meskins are not Americans, and they don't want to be.
> A quote from your hermano;
>
> "I am not an American. There is nothing about me that is American.
> I don't want to be an American, and I have just as much right to be
> here as any of you." Thus spoke one individual identified as a
> "Latino activist" during a session of the "National Conversation on
> American Pluralism and Identity," a $4 million project funded by
> the National Endowment for the Humanities.
>
He was probably referring to belonging to the gang of mass murderers you
belong to. Can't say that I blame the poor sucker, he is stuck with that
stench of being confused with a gringo.
BTW, don't scurry like a cockroach around the issue and explain yourself
away, thief.
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then did nothing with the land. Half hearted attempts
> > > > > to settle the land.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You're right. Mexicans never renegaded on signed
> > > > treaties nor used famine and biological weapons against
> > > > men, women and children to "settle" the land just like your
> > > > beloved Anglos did.
> > > >
> > > Nah, they just founded an entire religion based on human sacrifice.
> > >
> >
> > You make the same mistake than the one who sucks his mother's tits.
> > Mexico exists since 1810. Everything else was inherited when we beat
> > the crap out of those assholes from Spain. It is because of this
ignorance
> > that you're attempt at diversion is dismissed with prejudice, unless
you'd
> > like to explain why the morals of a civilization that existed more than
500
> > years ago somehow exenorates you from those atrocities you are so
> > proud of.
> >
> > Go ahead, thief, address the issues instead of playing that
> > pseudo-intelectual crap on me.
> >
> > (sheer stupidity deleted)
> >
>
> The issue is there are 12 million wetbacks in this country,
> and there are some Americans getting plenty pissed about it.
> And we really don't care any more about meskin history
> than meskins do about American history. That is your problem.
>
More scurrying like a cockroach, thief. Do you ever get to address the
issues at hand or do you do this expecting that people who "debate" you
would just throw up their arms (no pun intended) and walk away?
>
> Sorry you don't like your cultural history, mojado, which was
> based on human sacrifices and created your wonderful third
> world capital Mexico City on the foundations of thousands
> of human hearts carved from living bodies. Read and enjoy
> the tale of your cultural roots again, mojado, this one they
> won't advertise during the multicultural sales job they do
> every year otherwise known as latino heritage month.
>
That is called "pre-columbian" history for a reason. Not that you would
understand, but let me explain it to you one more time: Mexico as such
exists since 1810 only and not before. The exact date is 16 de Septiembre.
Now, compare that to your nation starting on July 4th, 1777 and you cannot
escape any of the things that I mentioned, you know, those issues you keep
gingerily tip-toeing around.
It ain't pretty, so I can't really blame you for scurrying like a cockroad
around them.
(ignorant drivel deleted, again)
>
> > You also have the same problems understanding what you
> > read as that coward who hides behind his mommy's dress
> > to reply to me. You want another fight? bring it on, thief.
> > We'll see how cowardly that pack of coyotes really is.
> >
> It is starting, mojado. I just wish you greasy slime balls from
> mexico would grow enough conjones to shoot back so we
> could get this show on the road.
>
> I'm sure you will find the reference most reliable, mojado.
>
http://www.splcenter.org/cgi-bin/goframe.pl?refname=/intelligenceproject/ip-
> 4q1.html
>
> One woman, the report says, was apparently fired on three
> times as she crossed a nearby ranch. Nine migrants say they
> were stopped by a local who fired half a dozen shots at them.
...
>
Ah, yes, the old gringo tradition of shooting at unarmed people. Right. I
thought you were talking a full-scale war, you know, with precision-guided
munitions raining on selected targets around Mexico City. Silly me.
>
> > >
> > > If Saddam thinks bombs are bad news, just wait until he gets
> > > a taste of our secret weapon: 12 million wetbacks staged on
> > > his southern border.
> > >
> >
> > Now, that would be funny if not for such grotesque disrespect for
> > what is currently happenning over there.
> >
>
> Eh, mojado, all the illegals in this country just want a job. What is
> happening over there right now is only the beginning.
>
Really? let's talk about it again in the middle of the "North Korean
Freedom" campaign then, unless you'd like to wait until the "Irani Freedom"
campaign is underway.
Do you think there will be "French Freedom", "German Freedom" and "Russian
Freedom" threaters as well?
>
> There is going to be a lot of building going on in Baghdad in the near
> future.
> Sounds like ol' boy over might need a few meskins to do those "jobs
> Americans won't do."
>
Right. Employers have had a lot of experience with whiny gringo workers and
they just want to get the job done, not pamper assholes. Sounds about right
to me.
>
> Maybe somebody should warn them about allowing construction
> crews. Marines are one thing, but contractors with truck loads
> of day laborers would blow out what ever the Marines left behind.
>
You're now bordering the silly zone, thief. Please get back on track,
whatever that is.
> > >
> > > Who was enslaving who again, mojado?
> > >
> >
> > Spain. Another white central European country. Please
> > pay attention to what you read, thief.
> >
> > (more stupidity dutifully deleted)
> >
> It must be terribly painful to be so shamed by your cultural
> history that you think it is stupid and even try to refuse that
> it exists.
>
Do you need the same explanation multiple times before you can understand
it? Please let me know and I'll make an exception just for you and explain
it again because I already know how stupid you really are.
(stupid, ignorant pseudo-intelectual nonsense dutifully deleted, again)
>
> > >
> > > > Not a successful country, huh, Leusogafofomaaitulagi?
> > > >
> > > So you are telling us 12 million illegal aliens from mexico
> > > are not here just to work, and that work is readily available
> > > in mexico. We already knew that.
> > >
> >
> > This is getting really tiresome, are all gringo patriots as stupid
> > as you are or is this a ploy to discourage debate you can't
> > stomach?
> >
> Well, mojado, either mexico is successful and can provide her
> people with sustenance, or she can't. There are 12 million
> mojados in this country as testimony to the fact that mexico is a
> failed country, and they never had what it takes to create a viable
> society beyond what they can leech off their neighbors. It is either
> that, or what many of us Norte Americanos are coming to believe,
> and that all the mojados are actually a hostile invasionary and
> occupational force sent to destroy our country.
>
Mexico provides for her citizens in spite of the constant gringo
interference. The 0 illegal aliens in this country are a testimony of the
freedom of movement Mexicans have. Compare that to the need of gringos to
notify their government when travelling abroad.
Make up your mind, they are either here to work or they are here to destroy
your culture, which one is it?
>
> The only debate is in your own mind, mojado. You can't boast
> of a sucessful nation in one breath and plead for illegal aliens
> who only want to work in the next.
>
So there is no need to engage you in "debate" then. I'll humor you from now
on. Hang on to your hat, sweet lady.
>
> > >
> > > We are just wondering when we are going to start
> > > dropping bombs on Mexico City for sending hostile
> > > forces into our country.
> > >
> >
> > You wouldn't recognize hostile forces even if they were rolling on heavy
> > armored vehicles across the Arizona desert.
> >
>
> Interesting you should mention that, mojado.
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/7/134033.shtml
> March 12, 2003
> It's the war nobody wants to talk about: well-armed Mexican soldiers
> storming across America's southern border, sometimes with guns blazing.
>
So Mexicans do have cojones and are already shooting at your always brave
gringos manning the BP. When are you cowards gonna start shooting back? we
should get Mexican War II on the road.
>
> "We are in state of war," Edward Nelson, chairman of U.S. Border Control,
> told Soldier of Fortune magazine. "And we are fighting enemies who have
> brought the battle to our shores. If ever there was a time for the United
> States to put troops on the border, it is now."
>
Mr. Nelson is a smart guy. Reread what he is saying: "We are in state of
war". Again, I ask you, when do you start bombing Mexico City?
>
> A blockbuster exposé in the magazine's March issue notes that
> over the past five years, there have been 120 documented
> incidents of Mexican military/police incursions, sometimes
> resulting in the arrest of Mexican army personnel on U.S. soil
> by Border Patrol agents.
>
Dang! you're good!
>
> > But don't let your stupidity discourage you, bring it on, thief.
>
> The stupid ones are the ones are the mojados who will be
> caught still lurking in this country one day soon.
>
Bring it on, stupid asshole.
> --
(Rantings of a backstabber dutifully deleted)
Your signature exceeds 5 lines, thief, do you have any considerations for
Usenet protocols or do you think that the free and brave gringo patriots are
exempt from following them?
Ed.
--
"Come closer, Klingon, let me die with my hands around your neck."
-- Romulian warrior to Lt. Worf
Ed Valle
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Your drivel is nothing more than background noise until you come out from
behind your mommy's dress and confront me like a man.
Right. That'll be the day.
Ed.
Ed Valle
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
What's the matter, pussy boy? still unable to stand by what you write?
What a surprise, ho-hum...
Ed.
Ed Valle
>
> Ed Valle <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
> news:b5r3k3$2cb13a$1...@ID-85667.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> >
>
> have a charity boxing match. All legalities followed. Plenty
> of observers and refereeing and guards etc. so that neither
> you nor I pull out a piece and blow each other away.
>
> All profits to the charity of the winner's choice. This is the
> same offer I extended to the politician puke I consider to
> be a traitor; Lee Terry. He never replied.
>
> I imagine an event such as this would be advertised widely
> by the Web. The patriots against the invasion against the
> panderer wanting America invaded. There is the possibility
> this could be a huge event.
>
> I am stuck in the Omaha Nebraska area for at least 9 more
> months.
>
> Whaddya' think?
>
Sounds like fun, Squanto. Do you think the guards will intervene if I pull
my cane and give you a good whacking?
My charity will be the Foundation for the betterment of the organ donor
program, so that no more kids are killed by the incompetence of your
doctors. What is yours?
Ed.
Sandy Myers
territories of Calif., Arizona, Texas, etc back in 1849 when the
Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed. Therefore Mexico sold this
land to us, it was not stolen! If we are such crappy neighbors then
why are millions of illegal Mexicans crossing our borders to live next
door to us?
Squanto
So.... you are physically unable to enter the ring mano y mano? Probably
good for you. I have had too much practice growing up constantly fighting
the vermin from the south. Luckily it was the "old days" when fists and feet
were the norm. Nowadays, the vermin tend to just shoot... not even having
the guts to swap blows.
Harry
"what's the difference between us? We can start at the penis, we can scream
I don't give a *bleep* and see who means it." -Eminem
Ed Valle
>
> Ed Valle <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
> news:b5shu0$2cr43i$1...@ID-85667.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > intervene if I pull my cane and give you a good whacking?
> >
>
> mano y mano? Probably good for you.
>
Don't let that stop you, Squanto. It is an old gringo tradition to attack
those who are weaker. In the context of this thread that translates into
posting an army north of the Bravo to lure the Mexicans into a fight they
knew they couldn't possibly win. Mexicans took the challenge irrespective of
the expected pummeling sure to come.
It was so bad that even some of your own troops switched sides and fought
alongside the Mexicans giving the gringo invaders a historical black eye
that still decorates their slimy face.
>
> I have had too much practice growing up constantly
> fighting the vermin from the south. Luckily it was the
> "old days" when fists and feet were the norm.
>
They probably recognized your arrogance and that chip on your shoulder that
prompts you to issue these empty death threats.
>
> Nowadays, the vermin tend to just shoot... not even
> having the guts to swap blows.
>
Those poor suckers have been living too long among gringos. They should live
among Mexicans to learn what bravery really is.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
What's the matter, pussy boy? too afraid to come out from under your rock
yet?
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Drop the line, Douglas and you'll know what an argument really is.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Awwwhhh, if it isn't pussy boy again...
Ed.
(I actually got a chuckle this time, congratulations)
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Pussy boy is shaking in his boots today... again.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Pussy boy, API's exponent of racism and blind hatred, strikes again.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Is it that time of the month, pussy boy?
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Surmissing all his inner strength, pussy boy goes against the wind mills in
his mind.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Pussy boy gets his cap in front of his face and says:
"This is a job for ... someone else"
Ed.
Lets Roll
A mojado who doesn't know the history of his own people, or worse, is so
shamed by the history of his people that he tries to deny its existence,
really isn't even worth insulting.
But since you don't much like your older historical roots, maybe you would
prefer some of your more recent cultural heritage:
Since 1994, more than 2,000 people have been killed or disappeared in
Mexico.1 The victims have included journalists, human rights advocates,
religious workers, and indigenous peasants. In 1997 the Mexican government's
own human rights commission received well over 8,000 allegations of human
rights violations.2
Independent Mexican human rights organizations report even higher totals and
note that between January and June of 1998, there were at least 124
politically-motivated murders in Mexico, 49 of them in the southern state of
Chiapas.
Lets Roll
"D. Long" <dkl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:b5t7p6$8eb$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
> "Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
news:b5t6pf$2clh2e$1...@ID-85667.news.dfncis.de...
> That isn't an argument either, Ed. Try again.
>
>
I presume you realize this mojado doesn't know the history of his country
and has no argument to debate with?
Lets Roll
> "Lets Roll" <Lets...@Meet-Me-In-Hell.com> wrote in message
> news:3e81...@news.starnetusa.net...
> > based on human sacrifices and created your wonderful third
> > world capital Mexico City on the foundations of thousands
> > of human hearts carved from living bodies. Read and enjoy
> > the tale of your cultural roots again, mojado, this one they
> > won't advertise during the multicultural sales job they do
> > every year otherwise known as latino heritage month.
> >
>
> That is called "pre-columbian" history for a reason. Not that you would
> understand, but let me explain it to you one more time: Mexico as such
> exists since 1810 only and not before. The exact date is 16 de Septiembre.
> Now, compare that to your nation starting on July 4th, 1777 and you cannot
> escape any of the things that I mentioned, you know, those issues you keep
> gingerily tip-toeing around.
>
> It ain't pretty, so I can't really blame you for scurrying like a cockroad
> around them.
>
> (ignorant drivel deleted, again)
>
Eh, mojado, you think an entire department at Washington State University
devoted to your cultural history is ignorant? So do I. This is stuff
American kids used to learn in grade school and it wasn't until meskins
began filling our schools that it moved to exclusively college level. It is
ignorant for Americans to not be teaching this basic stuff in grade school.
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CIVAMRCA/AZTECS.HTM
Slavery was common among the Aztecs; it was not, however, racial or
permanent. One became a slave by being captured in war, by committing
certain crimes, such as theft, by voluntarily entering into slavery, or by
being sold by one's parents. If one was captured in war, slavery was a
pleasant option, for the purpose of Aztec warfare was primarily the capture
of live human sacrifices. If, however, one had a useful trade, the Tenochca
would forego the sacrifice and employ the captive in that trade.
Aztec laws were simple and harsh. Almost every crime, from adultery to
stealing, was punished by death and other offenses usually involved severe
corporal punishment or mutilation (the penalty for slander, for instance,
was the loss of one's lips). This was not a totalitarian state, however;
there was a strong sense of community among the Aztecs and these laws, harsh
as they seem, were supported by the community rather than an autocratic
judiciary.
The blood stripe worn on the dress blue trousers of Marine Corps officers
and non-commissioned officers is in memory of the battle of Chapultepec,
during the Mexican-American war, when they took the Mexican stronghold. The
battle is further commemorated in the Marines' Hymn in the line "From the
Halls of Montezuma".
Squanto
Thus speaketh the mentality of those invading us and those supporting the
invasion.
If the flood of illegals continues America may have a majority, someday, of
vermin possessing the mentality indicated.
Ed Valle
>
> Ed Valle <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
> news:b5t8m0$2ci9kg$1...@ID-85667.news.dfncis.de...
>
> > "D. Long" <dkl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:b5t7r2$oti$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > x-no-archive: yes
> > >
> >
> > Is it that time of the month, pussy boy?
> >
> > Ed.
> >
>
> Thus speaketh the mentality of those invading us and
> those supporting the invasion.
>
> If the flood of illegals continues America may have a
> majority, someday, of vermin possessing the mentality
> indicated.
>
I was beginning to respect you, Squanto, for having the balls to go against
me in an open forum.
I am sorry I was mistaken in judging your character. Then again, you're a
gringo, so I shouldn't be surprised.
Regards,
Ed.
Ed Valle
>
> I presume you realize this mojado doesn't know the
> history of his country and has no argument to debate with?
>
Hi Lets Roll,
I am not surprised that you try to flame me by proxy because it is probably
all you can do now.
You know very little about Mexico and her people and make the same mistakes
as the idiots who say that lovely piece of real estate was taken from the
indians and not from Mexico. You're right, there is nothing to debate since
you vehemently deny historical facts.
Your other responses merit no reply.
Ed.
--
"It isn't their land and never was. It belonged to the Apaches,
Comanches, and other Indians. We Americans stole the land
from them, not the dumbass Mexicans."
-- Douglas Long, telling alaksawarrior how proud he is of being a thief
Squanto
Troll alert.
End of responses to the troll.
Bwa hah hah hah hah!!!!!!!!
Ed Valle
>
> >
> Bwa hah hah hah hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Troll alert.
>
> End of responses to the troll.
>
> Bwa hah hah hah hah!!!!!!!!
>
Another coward bites the dust.
And this are supposed to be the ones leading the next civil war? Oh, man,
I'm really shaking in my boots now.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Pussy boy hides his ugly face again, as appropriate to cowards of his
caliber.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Tell me something, pussy boy, were you born like this or are your defects
self-inflicted?
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Pussy boy replies from behind his mommy's skirt, again.
Ho-hum...
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
You liked that one, didn't you, pussy boy?
That's the one who finally got your point man, that Squanto idiot.
How funny...
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Pussy boy Douglas Long refuses to face debate in a public forum.
How quaint.
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Douglas Long, known as pussy boy in soc.culture.mexican, decides that
labeling his replies as "private" and "irrelevant" will get him out of the
hook.
Talk about delusional...
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
Are you comfortable, pussy boy? because I want you to pay attention to the
options I have to deal with your stupidity:
1. I can reply to you ignoring your plea for privacy.
2. I can reply to you using your cloak as well.
3. I can reply to your posts with no content so that your posts get archived
against your will.
4. I can ignore you.
5. I can continue to honor your request for privacy and irrelevacy and humor
you a bit longer.
Given that I am a fair person I will let you decide the next course of
action. But, please, stay on this topic and don't scurry like a cockroach
with another of your tired one-liners.
Go for it, pussy boy.
Ed.
Ed Valle
"Publius Ovidius Naso" <jamesk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5nh68vshbai9co2og...@4ax.com...
> On 26 Mar 2003 19:26:57 -0800, dele...@yahoo.com (Cheesy puffs)
> wrote:
>
> > I really wish Anglos would leave Texas and all the other
> > parts of the USA that rightly belong to Mexico, if not
> > for the strongarming and deception used to steal it. Yes,
> > steal it. Hypocrites will sometimes call it "taking" or
> > "winning", but I call it "stealing".
> >
> >Greasy Italians are not welcome either.
>
> And if we gave back all that allegedly stolen land, you fuckers
> would still try and sneak into the rest of the USA cause Mexico
> is a third world shithole and you fuckers are lacking the balls to
> make it right.
>
Hello Publius,
Are you talking to yourself in a public forum? Cheesy puffs has an excuse,
what is yours?
Please try to explain why your goverment supported the kleptomanos from the
PRI for all those years before Fox got elected and also try to answer the
following questions:
Aren't you the ones who supplied those fancy weapons to the Mexican army?
Would you remain neutral if another revolution breaks out in Mexico?
Thanks.
>
> If Mexico was so God damn great, millions of you wetback
> cocksucking leeches wouldn't be running to get here.
>
Don't you find it interesting that the US Federal Government suddenly found
two billion dollars to "seal" the border? Please explain why there was no
political will to do this during the past 50 years, thanks.
>
> In a way tho I say give back Texas, New Mexico and Arizona.
> Then give all Mexicans 48 hours to leave the USA.
>
I'll go for that. Hand'em over as soon as possible, including the rest of
it.
>
> Any found after that get summarily executed. Block for eternity
> any Mexican coming to America, for any reason. Kill all illegals
> instantly when found.
>
Care to explain why you mass murderes haven't done that yet?
>
> I bet a months pay in less than 10 years the
> places we gave back would be total shitholes full of wtbacks
> breeding like rats and crying to pick fruit on my farm.
>
You should go to Vegas. But don't worry, we'll seal the border for you and
change the Mexican Constitution to make it a capital offense to emigrate to
the land of the Mickey mice.
Very Respectfully,
Ed.
Polybius
> PRI for all those years before Fox got elected and also try to answer the
> following questions:
>
> Aren't you the ones who supplied those fancy weapons to the Mexican army?
>
> Would you remain neutral if another revolution breaks out in Mexico?
>
> Thanks.
>
You make a few good points. One thing that bothers me, and I think it bothers
many other Americans too, is the fact that Mexico is very rich country. Richer
than any European country with the possible exception of the European part of
Russia.
Mexico has natural resources that countries like Germany, France and England
could only dream of having. Natural resources like oil, natural gas, almost
every type of mineral deposit and a climate with a long growing season.
Then why is Mexico so damn backward and corrupt? Why are the Mexican people
unable to come up with a stable political economy that benefits most Mexicans?
These are serious questions. You can only blame so much of it on the catholic
church and the dark ages spanish political system. Mexico has been free of
Spain since the 1820's!
Your bad language does detract from your arguements...
Lets Roll
--
To the People of Texas and All Americans in the World--
Fellow Citizens and Compatriots
I am besieged with a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna. I
have sustained a continual Bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours and have
not lost a man. The enemy has demanded surrender at discretion, otherwise,
the garrison is to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken. I have
answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly
over the wall. I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in
the name of Liberty, of patriotism, of everything dear to the American
character, to come to our aid with all dispatch. The enemy is receiving
reinforcements daily and will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in
four or five days. If this call is neglected I am determined to sustain
myself as long as possible and die like a solder who never forgets what is
due his honor and that of his country.
VICTORY OR DEATH
William Barret Travis
Lt. Col. Comd't
"Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
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Hey, mojado, at least Douglas Long is knowledgeable and honest about his
country's history. And proud of it. The Comanche, Apaches and Sioux were
formidable and honorable warriors. Americans of the day acknowledged that
about them, causing them to rain down continued abuses on them. That's one
heap more than we can say about illiterate mojados who weren't even passable
warriors when we stomped the frijoles out of them. Mojados like yourself
are so shamed by flatulent notations of mojados in world history books you
won't even acknowledge you had a history prior to the history of the United
States of America. That is pretty sad, mojado, that a people who have a
such a long history on this continent have no historical memory prior to
United States colonization. Losing that Texas Revolution and the
mexican-American war must be really embarrassing to you.
David
wrote:
>Mexicans were revolutionaries not gringo thieves.
Too much wrong with you post, but lets just deal with the simple,
basic, underlying assumption in your sentence above. It shows a great
lack of either education or honesty.
Question One: What's the "native" language of Mexico? In case you
hadn't noticed, it's not "Mexican", it's "SPANISH". If you study just
a tad of history you'll know that Mexico is run by the descendents of
the first European folks to rape, pillage and destroy significant
parts of the Americas (the Vikings didn't have a big incursion).
That's why they still speak the language of Spain. In case you didn't
know, Spain is actually a country in Europe. In case you want to talk
about South America, you should also know that Portugal happens to be
a European country. It's right next to Spain (believe it or not. You
can even check a map). Then, study the history of the Conquistadors
and their descendents. The committed multiple atrocities upon the
people of the continents.
But lets move to more modern times. Check out Mexican territory in
North America, before the US took it. If you check the West Coast, up
through California you'll find remnants of El Camino Real, or "The
King's Highway/." It wasn't named after a Mexican King but, once
again, after the one way over in Spain. Why was the road built? To
support Missions up the Coast. The Catholic priests who "converted"
the "savages" for God and Spain, did so by killing the Indians through
slavery, smallbox and starvation.
So, when you want to talk about the Mexicans, please do it on the
basis that they were just as bad, and in many ways worse, than the
other European conquerers of the land.
Ed Valle
"Polybius" <Poly...@Mail2World.com> wrote in message
news:3E837AE0...@Mail2World.com...
>
> > Please try to explain why your goverment supported the
> > kleptomanos from the PRI for all those years before Fox
> > got elected and also try to answer the following questions:
> >
> > Aren't you the ones who supplied those fancy weapons
> > to the Mexican army?
> >
> > Would you remain neutral if another revolution breaks
> > out in Mexico?
> >
>
> You make a few good points. One thing that bothers me, and
> I think it bothers many other Americans too, is the fact that
> Mexico is very rich country... Richer than any European country
> with the possible exception of the European part of Russia.
>
> Mexico has natural resources that countries like Germany,
> France and England could only dream of having. Natural
> resources like oil, natural gas, almost every type of mineral
> deposit and a climate with a long growing season.
>
> Then why is Mexico so damn backward and corrupt?
> Why are the Mexican people unable to come up with
> a stable political economy that benefits most Mexicans?
>
> These are serious questions. You can only blame so
> much of it on the catholic church and the dark ages
> spanish political system. Mexico has been free of Spain
> since the 1820's!
>
Hi Polybius,
I think the answers to your questions are implicit in this paragraph that I
wrote at the beginning of this thread:
"Imagine that, Mexicans are a people who fought their way out of 300
years of slavery by defeating a white European country in a bloody war,
lived thru military interventions, revolts and civil unrest for another
century and now control a territory so rich as to be in danger of
unwillingly becoming the 51th state."
You are correct that Mexico has been free from Spain since the 1820's but
not from the lingering effects of 300 years of slavery and racism. If you
add another century of war, revolution and social instability then you are
around the 1920's which is when political power was finally consolidated at
gunpoint by a party that gave birth to the present PRI (Institutional
Revolutionary Party). As you know, this party ruled with an iron fist thru
murder, intimidation and electoral fraud.
The modern times created a more integrated world with a new social order and
political thinking and they were no longer able to pillage Mexico as openly
as before without being looked down by the rest of the world, so they
evolved into a more sophisticated facade by bringing some social services
and benefits to the common people, but their real objective was (and many
believe still is) to amass personal wealth at the expense of anything in
their way, including honor and decency.
Then Fox was elected president through what is believed to be the cleanest
elections in Mexican history. Fox won on a platform of popular discontent
that nearly brought another revolution to the country, specifically, during
the time Clinton loaned a few billion dollars to bail the PRI out of
bankruptcy. In this sense, Mexico has existed as a true democracy for only a
handful of years.
I believe the majority of Americans do not understand this because they do
not have a similar frame of reference. Those who unfortunatelly do
understand it can attest to the incredibly painful psychological trauma that
slavery and racism can inflict on you. One thing that Americans can do to
help Mexico and the Americas, is to legalize drugs as that will greatly
reduce the rampant corruption and social degradation generated by traffic.
>
> Your bad language does detract from your arguements...
>
Sorry. I knew that talking the language of the cave dwellers would do that
but I suspected that smart, decent people would be able to see past all that
bombastic bluster.
Regards,
Ed.
Ed Valle
>
This is why I call you a willful idiot, Douglas. It would more fun if you
weren't so damn predictable. Read it and weep:
"Thanks for agreeing with me, Leusogafofomaaitulagi, but the word 'idiots'
is plural, where is the other one?"
It is the same hook I have used on you for... sorry, lost count, to grab
that ring hanging off your nose and lead you wherever I want, whenever I
want to.
Dang, I hope PETA doesn't fine me for this!
Ed.
--
"Troll alert."
-- Squanto, suddenly realizing why I called him an idiot
Lets Roll
"Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
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You are as full of crap as a Christmas turkey. You just said it yourself;
you have a viable democracy now, with a potentially good leader for your
country. But since his election the US has still accumulated several
million sleazy little mexican racists illegally crossing our border to take
up residence in a country they hate so much they are busting their ass to
change it into a mirror image of mexico. The exodus would be headed south
instead of north if mexicans had the intention or cojones to run their own
country.
> I believe the majority of Americans do not understand this because they do
> not have a similar frame of reference. Those who unfortunatelly do
> understand it can attest to the incredibly painful psychological trauma
that
> slavery and racism can inflict on you. One thing that Americans can do to
> help Mexico and the Americas, is to legalize drugs as that will greatly
> reduce the rampant corruption and social degradation generated by traffic.
>
Unfreaking real. The mojado is an expert at victimology.
You aren't seriously trying to get us to feel sorry for a bunch of
degenerate racists, are you? You were just railing a while ago about what a
hideous genocidal history America has. America made it to the 21st century
with race relations, and a lot more diversity than mexico ever thought about
having. What's stopping mexico? Americans have been just as traumatized by
race relations as mexicans. What makes mexicans special victims?
mexicans don't like American immigration policy, so they ignore it.
mexicans don't like American death penalty, so they are trying to change it.
mexicans don't like American ID, so they try to create their own. mexicans
don't like treaties about water rights, so they ignore them. mexicans don't
like American language so they try to change it. mexicans don't like
American history books, so they change them. I even got stinking pesos as
change out of the stamp machine at the local Post Office last week.
mexicans don't like "Iraqi Freedom" so they are going to try to create
mutiny among our troops along ethnic lines. Now mexicans don't like our drug
laws so they want to change them. mexicans won't even try to drag their
country out of the dung hole, but they bust their ass trying to reform
America into a mirror image of mexico. The dumb asses are trying to have
their revolution in the wrong country. Go legalize drugs in mexico. Keep
the stuff down there. If the program works after 20 or 30 years, maybe the
US can model a plan after mexico. You mexicans have better ideas how to run
a country, go lead by example.
"You can't even run your own life. I'll be damned if you'll run mine."
Johnathan Edwards 1971
Len
scribbled:
>x-no-archive: yes
> And that's the usual load of exculpatory nonsense so often employed
>by Mexicans to excuse their lack of courage and vision.
> Pompous, sanctimonious, and hilarious...keep up the good work.
Yeah, facts and history are meaningless in the face of ignorance and
righteousness.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
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--
"Orita veran estos jijos de su chingada madre."
-- El Pipila, deciding to take on the Alhondiga de Granaditas
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> That's quite an argument you have there.
>
Thanks, Douglas.
>
> Now, exactly when will you be making the
> return swim to your beloved homeland?
>
So far you have told me the following:
1. Stick around for my "shock and awe".
2. Leave.
3. I don't care what you do.
Make up your mind. Which one is it?
Ed.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> By the way, I also mentioned that Mexico never owned
> much but a few isolated points in US territory, that the
> Indians owned most of it.
>
Hi Douglas,
Care to explain why Polk negoatiated with Mexico and not with the indians?
>
>You've avoided the discussion.
>
Present a valid one and I'll address it. Thanks,
Ed.
Ed Valle
> > "D. Long" <dkl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:b67adi$9e5$1...@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > x-no-archive: yes
> > >
> > > By the way, I also mentioned that Mexico never owned
> > > much but a few isolated points in US territory, that the
> > > Indians owned most of it.
> > >
> >
> > with the indians?
>
>
Hi Douglas,
I thought Polk made an offer to buy the land prior to that claim
"negotiation". Is not that a historical fact? If it is, then explain why he
attempted to buy something from someone who was not the owner.
Including the reasons why Mexicans rejected the offer would be a nice touch.
Thanks.
>
> Care to explain why we Americans fought the Indians for
> the land well into the 1880s?
>
They got mad at your backstabbing? or was it that you couldn't live in peace
with someone you considered inferior?
>
> Or why Mexico enlisted people such as Austin to populate
> Texas in the 1820 and 1830s?
>
Enlisted? My understanding is that they solicited to come into the country
and be Mexicans. Please elaborate. Thanks.
> > >
> > >You've avoided the discussion.
> > >
> >
> > Present a valid one and I'll address it. Thanks,
>
> I always present valid points.
>
Like your claim that Latinos who died at the WTC were killed by friendly
fire, you mean?
>
> You tend to avoid them, which is perfectly
> understandable, given you position.
>
(Chuckle)
Ed.
lek
why Americans fight and invade the Iraq for
the oil well ?
Bush and Blair are the beast master
With the fictitous reasons they created,
no mwtter what they say
the real reason is they rob Iraq for her oil wells
With their greedy, They kill and kill innocent people
Poor Iraq with her weeping soul
No wonder why people around the world hate these two beast masters.
The best place for these two beast masters is hell.
The world will put the curse on them forever for what they did
to the world.
Ed Valle
> x-no-archive: yes
> "Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > By the way, I also mentioned that Mexico never owned
> > > > > much but a few isolated points in US territory, that the
> > > > > Indians owned most of it.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Care to explain why Polk negoatiated with Mexico and not
> > > > with the indians?
> > >
> > > Polk negotiated for a claim, not for ownership.
> > >
>
> > "negotiation". Is not that a historical fact? If it is, then explain
> > why he attempted to buy something from someone who was
> > not the owner.
>
>
No, I am not. Your position would invalidate Guadalupe Hidalgo.
World history has recorded that present-day Mexico ceded to present-day USA
the territories of present-day Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas, and
parts of Colorado, Nevada and Utah in the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo signed
by duly appointed representatives of these independent nations on the day of
our Lord, February 2, 1848.
It was also recorded that the people of the United States moved across this
land with the battle cry of "The only good indian is a dead indian" and
massacred 500 nations to the brink of exctintion. The civilized world
recognizes this action as the genocide of a once free, brave and proud
people.
Let it be known.
Ed.
--
"Say, that's a nice bike."
-- T100 terminator to LAPD cop
Ed Valle
"Juan Cortina" <jcor...@enextremadura.com> wrote in message
news:f69a6a76.03040...@posting.google.com...
> "Ed Valle" <edv...@azteca.net> wrote in message
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> > "Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20030402025144...@mb-fe.aol.com...
> > > Eduardo Valley says:
> > > <<World history has recorded that present-day
> Mexico ceded to present-day USA the
> territories of present-day Arizona, California,
> New Mexico, Texas, and parts of Colorado,
> Nevada and Utah in the treaty of....>>
> > >
> > > tell me something, Senyor. How many Mexicans
> > > lived in Utah, Colorado, the northern 90% of
> > > Arizona and Nevada at that time?
> > >
> >
> > Hi Leusogafofomaaitulagi,
> >
> > You can own land without living in it. The word "cede"
> > is used in this case for a reason. Take a look at its definition:
> >
> > cede verb [T] FORMAL
> > to give something such as ownership to someone else,
> > especially unwillingly or because forced to do so:
> > "Hong Kong was ceded to Britain after the Opium War."
> >
> > (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=12090&dict=CALD)
> >
> > Mexicans paid for that land with their blood during the war of
> > Independence and it was considered Mexico's patrimony by
> > everybody, including Polk. He recognized that and that is why
> > he needed the treaty signed by Mexico before he could move
> > into those territories without being confronted again.
> >
>
> It seems there are several people throughout this thread that make
> the claim that the land in question didn't belong to Mexico (I'm not
> aware of everything Long has written since his postings don't appear
> in google groups).
>
> It is evident that we are dealing with two sets of people. Both sets
> made up of Americans, one of which is incredibly obtuse (to put it
> kindly). One of these sets is formed by the Americans who, from the
> moment Mexico became independent, attempted to buy some of that
> land from Mexico. The Americans who obtained Spanish or Mexican
> Land grants and settled in Texas. The Americans who subsequently
> fought a War with Mexico over some of that land. The Americans
> who, having won the war, imposed the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo
> on Mexico, by which Mexico "ceded" the land to the US, etc. In
> other words the Americans who were certain, beyond any doubt,
> that the territories in question belonged to Mexico. The other set is
> formed by Americans who now claim that the land never belonged
> to Mexico. If this second set is correct, then their forefathers were
> some of the most obtuse people to ever walk the face of the earth,
> otherwise it is they who are unbelievably obtuse.
>
> Fortunately we don't need to speculate or debate who is right and
> who is wrong. In 1819 the US Secretary of State John Quincy Adams
> and the Spanish Foreign Minister Onís signed the Transcontinental
> Treaty (Adams-Onís Treaty) establishing the boundary between the
> Spanish territories and the US. The treaty was ratified in 1831 by
> Mexico and the US. Therefore, as far as the US and its citizens
> were concerned, those territories belonged to Mexico! This treaty
> wasn't the result of a war of aggression or signed while one of the
> parts occupied the territory of the other. It was entered into
> voluntarily by the parts involved.
>
> >
> > The concept of ownership also holds true in reverse. Mayor Hahn
> > is wrong when he says that Los Angeles is a Mexican city. Even if
> > it were 100% populated by Mexicans it would still be an American
> > city unless it was ceded to them by the US Federal government in
> > a signed treaty.
> >
>
> Wouldn't the definition of "cede" that you have quoted make the
> signing of treaties, involving cessions, irrelevant? Forcing the
> transfer of something cannot be legitimized merely by also compelling
> the signing of a treaty. In other words, the authority to take
> possesion of what is being "ceded" doesn't emanate from a treaty but
> from the strength of one of the parts.
>
Hi Juan,
Let me please address the question in your last paragraph. You ask:
"Wouldn't the definition of 'cede' that you have quoted make the signing of
treaties, involving cessions, irrelevant?" to which I answer: "No", because
the honor of the one "ceding" is on the line. One should accept death
instead of committing one's word under such duress. Not an easy choice.
As you know, Mexicans of the time had a strong debate about whether to sign
Guadalupe-Hidalgo or keep fighting. They chose to sign the treaty and give
the young nation a chance to survive and grow. As a father I understand this
decision and cannot really blame them for making it. However, once the
decision to sign the treaty was made, it should be honored.
The concept is a bit difficult to understand and even more so to articulate.
It is also rather difficult to accept when one thinks of how unjust this
really is, but not keeping one's word would sentence the victim to the same
moral level of the one imposing his will thru brute force and would also
impede the progress of civility by condeming everybody to live under the law
of the jungle for generations to come.
Your input is much appreciated. Thanks.
Ed.
--
"Si quieres reinar en mi lugar, toma el puñal que llevas y mátame con él."
-- Cuauhtemoc, defying Cortez
Squanto
Squanto
Good!!!!! I hear that history repeats itself!!!! There's 13 million
illegals that need defeated and those on their side that need to be erased.
Uncle Cato
Let it be known (as if it weren't already), that mexicans are a nation
of dishonorable clowns and thieves.
Let it also be known that our American Indian tribes and people want
nothing to do with you, that they recognise you and what you are made
of. This is a cold fact, and disheartening to every new border-running
spic that discovers this for himself.
The ethnic and cultural load the mexicans bring on their backs, that
which brings them into social conflict with Americans, is nothing but
the degenerate culture of their Spanish masters; there is nothing
Indian about it. Mexicans carry forward the stank of their rich white
masters in Mexico, and dutifully send them back the money they earn
from the productive and good American nation they find here. Then they
sit around in their new bountiful life, and think up dishonorable,
dishonest racial crap.
That's the typical mexican.
Sandy Myers
southwestern U.S. Everyday I confront this smug, "we are better than
you" and "we are here stay and you can't do anything about it,"
attitude. They purposely speak Spanish in your presence. I know
they aren't always talking about us Anglos, just that they blantenetly
refuse to except and speak the language of this country. It's their way
of saying, this will become their country, eventually. It has to stop
soon. Illegals need to be deported, legal immigration needs reforming
and the anchor baby issue needs to be dealt with. Our politicians
better stop looking at this with rose colored glasses and see what is
really happening in the country before its too late.
Uncle Cato
wrote:
Yeah, I agree with most of that. I don't like to get obnoxiously
racial about things, but on the road of life, in these particular
matters, I've discovered that the only defense is an equal or greater
offense. Sounds unsophisticated and tribal, but it is human nature,
and that is what will shape society.
Imo, folks who think that we ought use sophisticated argument and
careful, non-racial rhetoric with these people, are destined to be
bent over by them. It simply encourages them, wastes our energies, and
allows our traitorous elite to keep the invasion down to a low rumble.
That does not mean we need be unsophisticated with each other,
sputtering racist junk together. We simply need to recognise that they
are empowered by their racial/ethnic tribal aggresiveness, and that
that is far more powerful than civil debate, in a country that does
not enforce the civil law.
I would disagree with one thing, however. I don't think that language
matters much at all, that them using our language will help the
problem. The worst among them speak English perfectly. It doesn't
change them as individuals nor the nature of the conflict, which is
purely racial/ethnic.
Sandy Myers
on the language issue. I think it does matter. By speaking in
Spanish, especially in the workplace, its their way of saying to hell
with this country's language and cullture and they plan to change it to
theirs. I don't care that a lot of them know how to speak English.
If they don't use it, then who gives a damn and what does it matter
then? This is really a sore spot with me as I have to put up with at
work and I know what their underlying motives are. It shows no respect
to our society and its all part of a grander plan with them - the
takeover of the southwest and who knows how much more of this country.
Welcome to United Mexico!
Ed Valle
"Leusogafofomaaitulagi Fonoimoana" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030403002220...@mb-fg.aol.com...
> Eduardo valley says:
>
> <<and it was considered Mexico's patrimony by
> everybody, including Polk.>>
>
> everybody? Would that include Indians?
>
I have already answered that question, Leusogafofomaaitulagi. But let me
elaborate on it anyways: No.
Ten brownie points if you tell me why not.
BTW, don't you find it interesting that no one tried to challenge what was
said about Mexican ownership of the land? They didn't even tried, resorting
instead to the classic API's diversion of "...but...but... you're ugly
too!". They seem to agree with thieves, however, who think that possession
means ownership.
You are a bad boy since you got the API crew hopping mad with your
silliness. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Ed.
ALEJA32313440
Spanish, especially in the workplace, its their way of saying to hell
with this country's language and cullture and they plan to change it to
theirs. >>
You are confussing the Anglo culture(that of the majority of this country,
including you, I assume) with this country's culture. No such a thing.
Hispanics go with their culture as have gone dozens of other ethnicities over
centuries. And of all them it has been said the same garbage you are saying now
of hispanics.Same movie, same plot. Different producer, director, etc
Ale
Uncle Cato
wrote:
Most of the Anglos you see and speak to are not, in fact, of British
lineage, and their families did not come to this country carrying an
anglo or anglo-american culture.
I don't have a drop of English/British blood in me. All my
grandparents were Scandinavian, and my paternals spoke no English when
they arrived. They learned it quite well however, gave their children
anglo-american names, and became about as American as an immigrant can
be. They did not claim this by dint of "documentation", nor by
squatter's rights, nor justify themselves by way of revenge against
the people already here.
Multiculturalism, the idea that all cultures are equal and equally
"american" if its practitioners happen to have their toe in our dirt,
is not an article of our culture, it is not historical. Not in this
country, and not in any other I am aware of. The concept is a leftist
contrivance of the last thirty years, not something that evolved
within american society, nor a concept agreed to by average americans.
Hispanics can not justify the ethnocentric/racist charator of their
people and presence by alluding to an invented multicultural concept
that is not native to their, nor our, culture. The great majority of
immigrants, way-back-when, made americanization of themselves and
their children an essential part of their growth.
Sandy Myers
particularly Mexicans, is non-assimilation. It wasn't like that
historically. just in the past 30 years with the massive influx of
Mexican immigrants. I know their underlying motives and so do you.
My ancestors came here from Poland and wanted to be American in every
way, lingually, culturally, etc. Some Polish was spoken at home now
and then but that was it! Out in public and at work, English was
spoken out of respect for the language of the majority of this country.
Not so with the Mexicans! But then there is that underlying motive I
was taking about. Do they really think we are that stupid as to not
know what is going on? Oh yeah they have the PC crowd on their side
and dimwits like Ale and Eduardo who would sacrifice this country's
heritage for a dime.
Daeron
>> was said about Mexican ownership of the land? They didn't even tried,
>> resorting instead to the classic API's diversion of "...but...but...
>> you're ugly too!". They seem to agree with thieves, however, who think
>> that possession means ownership.
>
Is this about those Texas cowards who gave their words to convert to
Catholism & obey the Mexican government in exchanged for some Mexican land,
and the cowards who then decided to butcher the Mexicans for that same
land?
Daeron
Islamic military state to kill the people of West Papua.
http://www.westpapua.ca
ALEJA32313440
know what is going on? >>
Yes. You are that stupid as to know what is going on but not know that it is a
repeat
of what has happened several times before
, as are your feelings and predictions about it.
Ale
Oliver Costich
wrote:
Could someone parse this for me so I can know what the hell she's
trying to say.
I guess she still hasn't learned how to work a news client and quote
what's being replied to. Maybe CompUSA has a course for that?
Harry
"Oliver Costich" <olc-ca...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8d799v4atkjh3n5fd...@4ax.com...
That's part of her charm, or lack there of.
Sandy Myers
response to my post either. "Yes, we are stupid because we know what
the hispanics are up to in this country"? Sounds like a conflicting
statement to me. Who cares what she says anyway. I just ignore this
Mexican/hispanic lover and supporter. She could care less about this
country that she claims to be a citizen of.
Oliver Costich
wrote:
In contrast to my Colombian wife, who is near rabid about illegal
immigration. It's not a Hispanic thing. It's a stupidity thing.