Insane French
JTEM
Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
food as "cuisine"?
I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
any of the recipes would have turned out...
towelie
> http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2090.cfm
>
> World’s Top 50 Restaurants 2005
> The winner of the coveted number one spot was The Fat Duck in Bray,
> Berkshire, Britain. The pioneering restaurant is famed for introducing
> the world to delicacies such as snail porridge, mussels in popcorn
> sauce, and bacon and egg ice cream.
Thanks for proving JTEM's point. Bacon and egg ice cream??? I think I'd
eat the cookbook too.
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James
> TV's A. Krieghund wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:11:24 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
>>> President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
>>> What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
>>> Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
>>> food as "cuisine"?
>>> I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
>>> then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
>>> any of the recipes would have turned out...
>>
>> As always, you remain grossly uninformed....
>> http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2090.cfm
>>
>> World’s Top 50 Restaurants 2005
>> The winner of the coveted number one spot was The Fat Duck in Bray,
>> Berkshire, Britain. The pioneering restaurant is famed for introducing
>> the world to delicacies such as snail porridge, mussels in popcorn
>> sauce, and bacon and egg ice cream.
>
>
> Thanks for proving JTEM's point. Bacon and egg ice cream??? I think
> I'd eat the cookbook too.
I'd bite off my tongue for good measure.
--
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-Friedrich Nietzsche
Tink
obese people there were. Surely they didn't get that fat off of eating
the horrible food that was there.
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Robibnikoff
"towelie" <bugoN...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Mydnd7tupV...@centurytel.net...
> TV's A. Krieghund wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:11:24 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
> >> President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
> >> What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
> >> Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
> >> food as "cuisine"?
> >> I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
> >> then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
> >> any of the recipes would have turned out...
> > As always, you remain grossly uninformed....
> > http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2090.cfm
> >
> > World’s Top 50 Restaurants 2005
> > The winner of the coveted number one spot was The Fat Duck in Bray,
> > Berkshire, Britain. The pioneering restaurant is famed for introducing
> > the world to delicacies such as snail porridge, mussels in popcorn
> > sauce, and bacon and egg ice cream.
>
> Thanks for proving JTEM's point. Bacon and egg ice cream??? I think I'd
> eat the cookbook too.
And what the frig is "popcorn sauce"?!? :P
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JTEM
"A. Krieghund" <ak...@privacy.net> wrote
> The pioneering restaurant is famed for introducing
> the world to delicacies such as snail porridge,
> mussels in popcorn sauce, and bacon and egg ice
> cream.
And this sounds /good/ to you?
JohnN
Ladies. They had the best TV cooking show I have ever seen.
BTW, how many cooking shows feature a late 60ish woman with the reddist
fingernail polish in the world riding a motorcycle?
JohnN
Robibnikoff
"Mephisto" <meph...@go.away> wrote in message
news:fpqnc11ianfiblcti...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:28:07 -0400, Tink <kjg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >JTEM wrote:
> >> Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
> >> President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
> >>
> >> What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
> >>
> >> Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
> >> food as "cuisine"?
> >>
> >> I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
> >> then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
> >> any of the recipes would have turned out...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >When I went there in the summer of 98, I was truly amazed by how many
> >obese people there were. Surely they didn't get that fat off of eating
> >the horrible food that was there.
>
Sad to say, but you're probably right. I wonder if they were wearing
Hawaiian shirts and Bermuda shorts with black socks and sandals? ;)
JTEM
"Mephisto" <meph...@go.away> wrote
> I think Chirac had a point in the sense that English
> supermarkets are full of convenience food and
> French ones are full of a superb array of fresh food,
> but it is getting better. I've been to American
> supermarkets and they are far, far worse in that
> respect.
If anything, the difference is in the meats.
The U.S. produces a lot of beef which is of a high quality
and relatively inexpensive. Veal is a little different (especially
in France). Lamb, isn't anywhere near as popular here as it
is over there, so the volume is much lower and the price is
at a premium.
Any poultry other than chicken or turkey also tends to
be more expensive in the U.S. than in Europe. Again,
this is because there simply isn't the volume for it. You
have no problem finding a fresh goose in France, and
duck is on just about every menu in Paris. This keeps
the price reasonable, while you'd have to pay a premium
for it in the United States.
In the end, if you want a decent hamburger, steak or
roast beef, you're not going to get it in Britain or even
France. If you want some lamb or duck, there's nothing
in the United States that could compare to what you find
in Europe.
Therion Ware
On 6 Jul 2005 07:36:40 -0700 in alt.atheism, JohnN ("JohnN"
<jnor...@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>the best arguement for a British cuisine is the TV program Two Fat
>Ladies. They had the best TV cooking show I have ever seen.
Classic quote: "Ever seen Last Tango in Paris? You need about that
much butter."
Robibnikoff
"Mephisto" <meph...@go.away> wrote in message
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:38:32 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
> <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mephisto" <meph...@go.away> wrote in message
> >news:fpqnc11ianfiblcti...@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:28:07 -0400, Tink <kjg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >JTEM wrote:
> >> >> Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
> >> >> President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
> >> >>
> >> >> What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
> >> >>
> >> >> Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
> >> >> food as "cuisine"?
> >> >>
> >> >> I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
> >> >> then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
> >> >> any of the recipes would have turned out...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >When I went there in the summer of 98, I was truly amazed by how many
> >> >obese people there were. Surely they didn't get that fat off of
eating
> >> >the horrible food that was there.
> >>
> >> They were probably American tourists ;-)
> >
> >Sad to say, but you're probably right. I wonder if they were wearing
> >Hawaiian shirts and Bermuda shorts with black socks and sandals? ;)
>
> loud voices and squawling brats constantly complaining! Living in a
> town which tourists find attractive can be a nightmare in the summer.
> Thankfully, I've now moved to a village where nothing interesting ever
> happens :-)
Good for you!
Of course, now you can understand why I have no desire to go to Disneyworld.
That place is absolutely CRAWLING with those people! :(
Daniel
"JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
2ZednQYepIY...@comcast.com...
JTEM
"Mephisto" <meph...@go.away> wrote
> I've had steaks in the US, but they seemed to go
> for quantity rather than quality, and rely on
> over-flavoured sauces to make up the shortfall.
Where? Hardly anyone serves a steak with a sauce.
Outside the most pretentious restaurants, you'd
only find it in crappy chains which need it to cover
over the cheap meats.
Heck, even the single most expensive restaurant I
know of here, in the suburbs, covers their steak in
a (genuine) gold foil, and not a sauce. (and that one
comes at an $80 price tag).
JTEM
"Daniel" <vett...@wanadoo.fr> wrote
> Si tu était un peu plus intelligent, tu te demanderai pourquoi il y dit
ça?
Ah, linear thinking. I like that.
JTEM
"Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote
> I wonder if they were wearing Hawaiian shirts and
> Bermuda shorts with black socks and sandals? ;)
Oh? And what's wrong with Hawaiian shirts? Do you have
an aversion to high fashion, or what?
Brian E. Clark
said...
> Si tu était un peu plus intelligent, tu te demanderai
> pourquoi il y dit ça?
Intelligence? C'est au sujet de saveur!
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Brian E. Clark
Mike Painter
>
> Maybe you folks just need to be a little more open minded. It's daft
> to completely write off the culinary history of a country based on one
> book or one recipe.
>
*I* am open minded and know that English food is bad because I heared
(sic) it from somebody once.
I just read a book where the hero says that you can get good food in England
if you eat breakfast three times a day. (even the US Army does OK with
breakfast.)
The English heroine points out essentially what you said.
Bacon and egg ice cream served with some Garlic ice cream might be
interesting.
chibiabos
<w...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Ah, two more Macdonald epicureans...I'll bet you love their
> international dish -- "French fries."
Check out their "Degustation Menu:"
NITRO-GREEN TEA AND LIME MOUSSE
ORANGE AND BEETROOT JELLY
OYSTER, PASSION FRUIT JELLY, HORSERADISH CREAM, LAVENDER
POMMERY GRAIN MUSTARD ICE CREAM, RED CABBAGE GAZPACHO
JELLY OF QUAIL, LANGOUSTINE CREAM, PARFAIT OF FOIE GRAS
SNAIL PORRIDGE
Jabugo Ham, shaved fennel
ROAST FOIE GRAS
Almond fluid gel, cherry and chamomile
SARDINE ON TOAST SORBET
Ballotine of mackerel Śinvertebrateą, marinated daikon
SALMON POACHED WITH LIQUORICE
Asparagus, pink grapefruit, "Manni" olive oil
POACHED BREAST OF ANJOU PIGEON PANCETTA
Pastilla of its leg, pistachio, cocoa and quatre épices
WHITE CHOCOLATE AND CAVIAR
MRS MARSHALLąS MARGARET CORNET
PINE SHERBET FOUNTAIN
MANGO AND D0UGLAS FIR PUREE
Bavarois of lychee and mango, blackcurrant sorbet
CARROT AND ORANGE TUILE,
BAVAROIS OF BASIL
BEETROOT JELLY
SMOKED BACON AND EGG ICE CREAM
Pain perdu, tea jelly
LEATHER, OAK AND TOBACCO CHOCOLATES
PRALINE ROSE TARTLET
I'm going for the Mango and Douglas Fir puree and the leather, oak and
tobacco chocolates. Trying to get more fiber in my diet.
-chib
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DJ Nozem
wrote:
>Si tu était un peu plus intelligent, tu te demanderai pourquoi il y dit ça?
Londres a gagné. Les contribuables Français devraient être heureux.
(C'est mon petite théorie. Autrement, Chirac est fou)
>"JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>2ZednQYepIY...@comcast.com...
>> Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
>> President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
>> What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
>> Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
>> food as "cuisine"?
>> I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
>> then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
>> any of the recipes would have turned out...
--
We give meaning to each other (French translation, anyone?)
raven1
wrote:
>
>Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
>President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
>
>What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
>
>Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
>food as "cuisine"?
>
>I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
>then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
>any of the recipes would have turned out...
There's an old ethnic joke with a degree of truth in it:
"Q: How do you know you're in Heaven?
A: All the chefs are French, all the police are English, all the
mechanics are German, all the organizers are Swiss, and all the lovers
are Italian.
Q: How do you know you're in Hell?
A: All the chefs are English, all the police are German, all the
mechanics are French, all the organizers are Italian, and all the
lovers are Swiss..."
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
James
> international dish -- "French fries."
Strange and unsubstantiated as it may sound, I'm trained in classical
French cuisine. I attended cooking school at several years ago, and was
taught fairly early on that to offer English food on your menu is an
excellent method of begging for an empty restaurant.
JTEM
"James" <spam...@com.com> wrote
> Strange and unsubstantiated as it may sound, I'm trained
> in classical French cuisine. I attended cooking school
> at several years ago, and was taught fairly early on that
> to offer English food on your menu is an excellent
> method of begging for an empty restaurant.
What's strange to me is the impression that people are
unaware of English food's reputation.
I set me to wondering: Do the French not know that the
rest of us think them rude?
Mike Painter
I only spent a short time traveling through France and only learned
"Please", "thank you", and "excuse me" - and not very well. I found the
people helpful and quick to laugh when they knew I knew how funny I sounded.
I did date a woman many years ago who's grandmother, when visiting in France
noted that not a lot of people spoke English.
JTEM
"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> I only spent a short time traveling through France and
> only learned "Please", "thank you", and "excuse me"
> - and not very well. I found the people helpful and
> quick to laugh when they knew I knew how funny I
> sounded.
I'd have to say that the French are, beyond a doubt,
rude. That is, culturally rude.
There is something of a cultural divide. When I first
encountered it I thought it was me. That they were
being rude because I was an American, a foreigner.
And then I noticed that they were treating each other
the same.
Example?
Negotiating a crowded store aisle. The "norm" would
be to politely say "excuse me" if I wanted to get by total
strangers blocking my way, and they would get out of
my way, as would I if they wanted to get by me. No
touching. This was not what I found with the French.
No, it doesn't mean the French really are rude. It just
means that our cultures are a little bit different, but
still similar enough that we mistaken a difference as
an intentional bit of rudeness.
If our cultures were VERY different, if they weren't
close enough to fool us into thinking that they're just
like us only they wear berets, we wouldn't mistaken
it for being rude.
Mike Painter
The biggest culture shock for me was driving at night on county roads.
Driving lights only and they let you know about it if you had headlights on.
In Germany I've seen four cars, each one passing the one on the right and in
Spain.... AHHHHHHHHHHH!
Dubh Ghall
>On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:11:24 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
>>President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
>>
>>What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
>>
>>Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
>>food as "cuisine"?
>>
>>I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
>>then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
>>any of the recipes would have turned out...
>
>
>As always, you remain grossly uninformed....
>
>************************************
>
>http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2090.cfm
>
Hardly what you would call typical, or traditional, English fare.
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ward stewart
This chilling news makes mock of any pretensions to separation of Church and
State--
w
Canadian Press, Canada, July 5, 2005
http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=10faf8e0-75a3-
449a-aa54-5290d1bd5676
Ontario MP, wife denied communion
Charlie Angus and Celina Symmonds had their lives turned upside down
when they were told by their parish priests that they could no longer
take communion because their stands on social issues conflicted with
church teachings.
Angus, a New Democrat MP who represents a northern Ontario riding, ran
afoul of the Roman Catholic church over his support for the federal
government's controversial same-sex marriage bill.
"It's quite disturbing,'' said Angus, pointing to what he called "the
rising militancy of language within the church. I went to Ottawa feeling
that I would be speaking as someone rooted in a faith tradition and
rooted in a justice tradition.
"Then your involvement in the sacraments becomes a political pressure
point. It was unacceptable.''
Prime Minister Paul Martin, also a practising Catholic, faced similar
flak from a priest in his Montreal riding over the bill. Father Francis
Geremia said Martin no longer deserved the sacrament of communion and "I
pray that he will lose his riding'' in the next election.
Symmonds, who once managed the now closed Planned Parenthood office in
Medicine Hat, Alta., had to find another place to be married about a
month before her wedding in September 2002 after her priest discovered
from a newspaper article that she was pro-choice on abortion.
"I was shocked,'' says Symmonds. "When you grow up Catholic you grow up
awaiting the day where you can walk into that great big cathedral with
your husband. It's something you dream of as a little girl.
"And it got crushed within seconds.''
Angus, who represents the riding of Timmins James-Bay and lives in New
Liskeard, has only attended mass a couple of times since the incident in
the spring. "I haven't accepted communion,'' he said. His wife and three
daughters have stayed away from mass.
"It's something I don't feel very comfortable discussing,'' he said, his
voice quavering. "So much of politics is spin ... party position ...
(or) having some one-liners. But when it speaks to the essence of what
you feel and what you believe, it's very hard to rationalize it or to
articulate it.''
Symmonds remembers well the day when the priest's assistant phoned, and
she hasn't attended church since the incident. "It hurts that you're
told that you're not welcome to be a part of something that was very
precious in your life,'' she said, her voice trembling.
"Getting the courage to go back, it's tough because you feel ostracized
as far as what you believe ... You become intimidated going into a
church because you don't know, will I be welcome, will I be stared at?''
Communion, or the eucharist, is the "central core'' of the Roman
Catholic faith, says Thomas Reilly, general secretary of the Ontario
Conference of Catholic Bishops. It is celebrated daily in many Catholic
churches.
The Catholic Church is the largest church in Canada with about 13
million members, according to Statistics Canada's 2001 census.
Nationally the number of members attending church weekly is about 20 per
cent of total membership, figures gathered by religion pollster Reginald
Bibby show.
During communion, Catholics believe "we receive the body and blood of
Christ, represented by the bread and wine,'' says Catherine Clifford,
professor of theology at Saint Paul University in Ottawa.
"The reality that it signifies for us is union with Christ. But it's
also unity in the body of Christ, that is the church,'' said Clifford.
"Only those who are baptized may receive the eucharist,'' instituted by
Christ during the last supper for believers to eat and drink in
remembrance of him.
The church describes the eucharist as "the source and the summit ... of
the whole life of the church,'' said Clifford. To deny communion to a
church member is "a very serious and painful thing ... It's a form of
exclusion from the community.''
Reilly said it would be "quite devastating'' for someone like himself,
who has been a practising Catholic for about 70 years, to be denied
communion. "I'd need to go and look at myself and look at the situation
and discuss it with the priest.''
A priest should not exclude anyone from the eucharist, "except for
grave, grave reasons,'' said Clifford. It's also a decision that belongs
to a bishop, who presides over the prayer life of a local church, she
said.
In the case of Angus and Symmonds, the bishops in charge of their
parishes backed their priests.
The church defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman, to
the exclusion of all others, said Reilly. On abortion, it believes that
life begins at conception and continues until natural death, he said.
"It should not be interfered with in the sense of ending it in between
those two points.''
Denial of communion is rare in the Catholic Church, said Clifford.
"Because you're labelling someone as heretical. You're saying they do
not hold the faith of the church and are therefore excluded from the
sacramental life of the church.''
Most cases of communion denial involve the many Catholics who are
divorced and remarried, said Clifford. "That's a huge pastoral
problem.''
At the United Church of Canada, denial of communion "would be totally
foreign to our system,'' said Rev. Bruce Gregersen, who's in charge of
support to local ministries for the church, the country's largest
Protestant denomination.
"Our policy is an open table,'' he said. "The language of the
institution of the supper is that this is the Lord's table. It is not
our table. And so the distinction we would make is that anyone who
professes to be in relationship to Jesus Christ and who loves and
desires to serve Jesus is welcome to his table.''
For Symmonds, what was so upsetting was the feeling that the church had
made "a blanket decision without even knowing who I was ... I knew that
the church was not supportive of abortion rights. However I felt that
the church would be supportive of me.''
However, what she discovered was that "everyone needs to fit into a
little box and if you don't fit into that box, then maybe you don't fit
at all,'' she said.
Despite being denied communion, she managed to avoid being
excommunicated after "a good discussion'' with the priest. He
"encouraged me to come back to church. (But) I couldn't take
communion,'' said Symmonds.
Clifford finds that odd "to just withhold communion and say but you're
not really excommunicated.''
"Withholding communion is excommunication ... It means the person is not
welcome to receive any of the sacraments ... The way back for them is
through the sacrament of reconciliation,'' she said.
Angus says he's "willing to live with the consequences of my decision
because I'm called to do that as a parliamentarian ... If the church
doesn't want me to get communion, I can live with that.''
"As a legislator, I have to represent the Catholics and the
non-Catholics. I have to represent the bigger picture and I can't be
taking my orders from the pulpit ... Political or religious pressure is
not the basis for informing your conscience.''
Although Symmonds, who went on to marry her Baptist beau in a service
club hall and now is raising four adopted children, still misses the
community of a church, she hasn't lost her faith.
"I just learned that (the Lord) was here whether or not I went into the
Catholic Church. I know what I believe and I believe in it strong
enough. I feel like I'm at peace with that now.''
ward stewart
(in article <pcpqc1hok2gttcn63...@4ax.com>):
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 04:18:45 GMT, A. Krieghund <ak...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:11:24 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
>>> President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
>>>
>>> What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
>>>
>>> Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
>>> food as "cuisine"?
>>>
>>> I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
>>> then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
>>> any of the recipes would have turned out...
>>
>>
>> As always, you remain grossly uninformed....
>>
>> ************************************
>>
>> http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/2090.cfm
>>
>
> Hardly what you would call typical, or traditional, English fare.
>
> -
A single helping of "black pudding" at breakfast followed by "Cornish
Pasties" at lunch and jellied eels in the evening would ease one out of the
English kitchen for life.
ward
James Chamblee
> This chilling news makes mock of any pretensions to separation of Church and
> State--
>
>
> w
>
>
> Canadian Press, Canada, July 5, 2005
> http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=10faf8e0-75a3-
> 449a-aa54-5290d1bd5676
> Ontario MP, wife denied communion
>
> Charlie Angus and Celina Symmonds had their lives turned upside down
> when they were told by their parish priests that they could no longer
> take communion because their stands on social issues conflicted with
> church teachings.
The Catholic clergy is bankrupt, both morally and fiscally. Why woud anyone
give these people money?
Andrealphus
"James Chamblee" <jim-ch...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BEF3D277.61B7%jim-ch...@mindspring.com...
It is rather odd that an organization that supported and protected
pedophiles for so long would suddenly have an issue with someone else's
stand on "social issues".
maf 1029
The anti-intellectual contortions through which the adherents of
Catholicism will put themselves is mind-boggling to thinking people.
Roman Catholics are expected to "forgive and forget" when confronted
with a child-raping priest, but will turn around and spit their venom
at a loving, adult, non-consanguine same-sex couple seeking simple
equality under secular law. And then here's the fun part -- they
honestly believe they're under some holy mandate from their invisible
sky pixie, and this makes their abominable actions somehow not merely
justified, but holy and moral.
Andrealphus
"maf 1029" <nos...@phuque.oph> wrote in message
news:lansc1dcis4qh11rc...@4ax.com...
Unfortunately, this is all true. Just as unfortunately the Catholics are
not the only religious group with this problem. In my neck of the woods
there are mostly Baptists. Good old brother Mike down the street can be
forgiven for getting drunk and beating his wife & kids to within the very
doorstep of death, but let some kid show so much as a minor confusion about
his sexuality and they're ready to take him out and stone him. The same
sort of holy mandate drives these people as well. It's a psychosis, a sort
of holy insanity.
L. Michael Roberts
ward stewart wrote:
> This chilling news makes mock of any pretensions to separation of Church and
> State--
>
> w
>
> Canadian Press, Canada, July 5, 2005
> http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=10faf8e0-75a3-
> 449a-aa54-5290d1bd5676
> Ontario MP, wife denied communion
>
> Charlie Angus and Celina Symmonds had their lives turned upside down
> when they were told by their parish priests that they could no longer
> take communion because their stands on social issues conflicted with
> church teachings.
Hmmm... let's look at the "moral high ground" the Canadian RCC church
is standing on. Can you say crusades, slaughter of the first nations,
Mt. Cashel, paedophile priests, residential schools and the oblate order
facing about 3,000 suits for mental and physical abuse? Methinks the
church should be cleaning up his own back yard before engaging in
Canadian politics.
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No One
> This chilling news makes mock of any pretensions to separation of
> Church and State.
Not really....it is only Church thing (see below for what to do about it).
> Canadian Press, Canada, July 5, 2005
> http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=10faf8e0-75a3-
> 449a-aa54-5290d1bd5676
> Ontario MP, wife denied communion
>
> Charlie Angus and Celina Symmonds had their lives turned upside down
> when they were told by their parish priests that they could no longer
> take communion because their stands on social issues conflicted with
> church teachings.
>
> Angus, a New Democrat MP who represents a northern Ontario riding, ran
> afoul of the Roman Catholic church over his support for the federal
> government's controversial same-sex marriage bill.
>
> "It's quite disturbing,'' said Angus, pointing to what he called "the
> rising militancy of language within the church. I went to Ottawa feeling
> that I would be speaking as someone rooted in a faith tradition and
> rooted in a justice tradition.
>
> "Then your involvement in the sacraments becomes a political pressure
> point. It was unacceptable.''
In any country with separation of church and state, there is a very
simple solution: tell the Roman Catholic Church to f___ off and
either join a different chruch or start your own.
If you want to keep all the trappings (rituals, etc.), start "the
Roman Catholic Church II), an institution that uses the same religious
ceremonies and out-of-this-world theology as the Roman Catholic
Church, but otherwise butts out of politics and people's sex lives.
You can even recognize the Pope as being infallible on any matter that
has absolutely nothing to do with life on earth (or any other part of
the universe, for that matter.) Do angels see in technicolor? Ask the
Pope. Should you use condoms? Ask your local public health
department.
And with the possible exception of very recent translations from the
Latin originals, the rituals, etc. have been around long enough that
copyrights would have expired long ago. Or you can simply use the
current translations. You can probably find quite a number of fed up
Catholic priests to join you. An "intellectual property" lawsuit over
how you worship the diety of your choice would cause so much smirking
on the part of everyone else that the Catholic Church might very well
think twice beore filing one.
And for the aetheists (I'm not sure why this was crossposted), as
Hector Berlioz once said, "The Catholic Church was the joy of my life
for a full five years." That's the first five years. Once he was
five, and old enough to figure out what they were talking about, it
was hasta la bye bye as far as any religious beliefs went. :-) If the
Roman Catholic Church tries to throw its weight around, following
Hector's example is always an option. As it turns out, though, Hector
Berlioz ended up writing a lot of religious music. He liked to have
enormous orchestras and choruses, and only a state function or a major
religious ceremony would justify the cost at the time. But that
doesn't mean he believed a word of it - it was just business.
stoney
wrote:
>
>Demonstrating why nobody likes the French, France's
>President, Chirac, called British cuisine "bad."
>
>What the hell is wrong with the French?!?!?!?!?!
>
>Who in their right mind would ever refer to English
>food as "cuisine"?
>
>I had an English cook book once. I read the recipes and
>then ate the book. Believe me, it tasted a lot better than
>any of the recipes would have turned out...
Eyes glitched. The first sentence 'read' "I had an English cook
once." The rest didn't follow so I looked again and saw my error. I
was going to ask why you didn't just eat the English female cook. ;)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
JTEM
"stoney" <sto...@the.net> wrote
> Eyes glitched. The first sentence 'read' "I had an
> English cook once." The rest didn't follow so I
> looked again and saw my error. I was going to
> ask why you didn't just eat the English female cook. ;)
Oh, I'd take the English cook.... just not the cooking.
stoney
/cue "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zepplin.
According to clergy and the Babble after death there are only two
locations 'Heaven' or 'Hell.' ('Purgatory' is ignored) It's called
'Fear Factor.'
stoney
That's an oldie but goodie. :)
>"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
>- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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