PSYCHIATRIC/CHRISTIAN ABUSE OF FLORIDA GAY BOY
dion...@infinet.com
}Anyway, what they plan todo to this boy is to inject him with
}nauseating drugs and shock him with electricity while showing him Gay
}porno movies.
Welcome to "aversion therapy". Don't worry. It has a success rate of 3%.
He won't like it, but it won't cause any significant long-term harm. And,
it'll siphon off some money that could have been going to a Buchanon
campaign fund...
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DAnder9829
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>Welcome to "aversion therapy". Don't worry. It has a success rate of 3%.
>He won't like it, but it won't cause any significant long-term harm. And,
>it'll siphon off some money that could have been going to a Buchanon
>campaign fund...
>
>
BTW has anyone been able to identify this guy's email address? <Mac WaM
User> I send it to that address and it comes back "no such..."
Anyway. Thanks for the figure on the success rate. Actually they claim a
slightly higher rate, of course, but provide NO evidence to support it.
They easily hide behind the terms religious freedom and confidentiallity.
There were no state licenced counselors working for them (in California)
so they can get away with there intended deception. The figures are close
to 75 percent of participants leave (or forced out) and are never entered
into the stats in the first place. IOW, they don't even count these!
I would love to hear from *anyone* who has gone through this "aversion
therapy," or as it is more commonly referred to as "Reparative Therapy."
I live less than 15 miles from Exodus International's Headquarters based
in San Rafael, California. I have done research and conducted interviews
with many former and present members affiliated with their largest clan
called Love In Action (LIA) --a misnomer if there ever was one. (This clan
moved from San Rafael to Memphis TN and left many disillusioned and angry
members behind!)
One such interview was with John Paulk, one of the "ex-gay" stars of the
original hate video, "The Gay Agenda." Another anonymous member was one
of many cast-aways who watched a suicide and escaped with his life.
Another was named Tom Ottosen who also escaped his own suicide to testify
to the abuse inside that closed cult-like community. True, they were all
free to leave but the religiously regimented guilt-oriented condemnations
were/are tremendously effective. I know, like some gay wo/men on this
list, I am a recovered fundamentalist who has lived to tell the story from
inside this type of insane asylum.
Below is a paragraph excerpted from an article I wrote concerning LIA,
published in Feb 1994. (as a side note, private homosexual acts among the
members were reported by many to be "regularly occurring" in this
facility.)
* "Ottosen recalls during his last year [1973] at LIA at least 75
percent of the original participants had either left the program because
it wasn't working for them or reported many "sexual falls" (homosexual
experiences including fantasies and masturbation). Many were "forced from
the group" when they began having serious doubts about the program's
effectiveness in their life. "They tell them they must leave because the
doubters become a threat to the other members. But then on the outside,
most ostracized members still feel intense loyalty to LIA, and feel like
they are betraying the group if they say anything to anyone about their
experience." Ottosen says he was lucky because when he was told to leave,
he immediately started seeing a licenced counselor on a regular basis,
"...but most are having a very difficult time on their own." **
dennis anderson
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It's got to be rejected totally." --Abraham Foxman, Holocaust survivor.
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ordinary mind
dande...@aol.com (DAnder9829) wrote:
>In article <4ib22v$i...@news1.infinet.com>, dion...@infinet.com () writes:
>
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>>Welcome to "aversion therapy". Don't worry. It has a success rate of 3%.
>>He won't like it, but it won't cause any significant long-term harm. And,
>
>>it'll siphon off some money that could have been going to a Buchanon
>>campaign fund...
>>
>>
>
>BTW has anyone been able to identify this guy's email address? <Mac WaM
>User> I send it to that address and it comes back "no such..."
>
>Anyway. Thanks for the figure on the success rate. Actually they claim a
>slightly higher rate, of course, but provide NO evidence to support it.
>They easily hide behind the terms religious freedom and confidentiallity.
>There were no state licenced counselors working for them (in California)
>so they can get away with there intended deception. The figures are close
>to 75 percent of participants leave (or forced out) and are never entered
>into the stats in the first place. IOW, they don't even count these!
>
>I would love to hear from *anyone* who has gone through this "aversion
>therapy," or as it is more commonly referred to as "Reparative Therapy."
Dennis, I have had no direct experience with Reparative Therapy, but it
generally is held to be ineffective if not bogus with the gay population.
The counseling professions have long ago introduced inclusive language
for gay/lesbian people into their professional codes of ethics and
recognize that homosexual orientation is not a mental disorder and should
not be "treated." Aversion therapy is the right-wing of behavioral
modification. B-Mod is used in certain settings, such as with state
mental hospital populations. It is considered most appropriate with
mental retardation and is pretty elemental in its application for the
most part. Punishment (aversion) is a last resort in B-Mod. With the
"treatment" of homosexuality - which should never be done without full
informed consent - principles of classical conditioning are applied in
aversion therapy whereby an aversive response is presented within 4
seconds of the homosexual stimuli. The idea is to "condition" the subject
to have an aversive response whenever the homosexual stimuslus is
presented in the "natural" environment. The trick is to get the
avoidance/aversive response to first generalize to the natural
environment (outside the clinical setting) and then prevent the
conditioned response from extinction (after the subject leave the clinic
the conditioned respones eventually dies away not having any
perpertrators, er, uh...therapists there to administer the punishment for
having what *parents think* are perverted thoughts.
Behavioralists have often been accused of being myopic in their
application to people of principles that are used to effectively CONTROL
the behavior of subhuman types. Again positive reinforcement is the
preferred mode of conditioning and punishment (aversion) is the last
ditch. Like training your dog. If you give him positive reinforcement
you can train him to fetch, etc. When punishment is applied, if the dog
has any sense at all and hasn't fallen yet into a state of "learned
helplessness," he'll avoid you like the plague next time he sees you
coming with a rolled up newspaper. Think about it, I am sitting here
with the-rapist, er....therapist, and each time he shows me a picture of
Keano Reeves he also administers either a shock or a nausiating drug.
What I am learning? Thats right, I am learning to *avoid* this asshole!
Trouble is, most places that apply aversion therapy usually have the
*key* to the locked unit or cell block.
-ordinary mind
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