This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
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This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a gift
that will enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all year round.
Dear Friends
Today we are embarking on the most ambitious fundraising campaign in the
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Uncle Vic
> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a
> gift that will enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all
> year round.
Not until I see a scanned receipt for your donation to your nearest family
planning center.
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your face when you push them down the stairs.
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> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
How do you electronically transmit a dog turd?
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Not authentic without this signature.
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"Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote in message
news:e8xl53uqtw6x$.72h6iev4m2v1$.dlg@40tude.net...
> It is an ancient J <Jvis...@live.com>, and he posteth:
>
>> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
>
> How do you electronically transmit a dog turd?
:::SPEW!!::::
Damnit, chai everywhere!
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Jimbo
> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/dec/09120110.html
>
> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
Let's see... Far right wing "news" source getting my money... Looks
like you're going to have a blue Christmas.
Yap
>
> --
> J Young
> Jvisi...@live.com
No.
Anything to do with a loon like you means good deeds will fall into
evil motives of religion.
haiku jones
An *excellent* idea, `J'. Very good.
And that most generous gift should go to:
Haiku Jones
LC
Tim Crowley
"Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote in message
> news:e8xl53uqtw6x$.72h6iev4m2v1$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > It is an ancient J <Jvis...@live.com>, and he posteth:
> >
> >> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
> >
> > How do you electronically transmit a dog turd?
Simple.
Pour some carbide up a fag's asshole, and stick his dick in a
light socket.
Hit the light switch.
W.T.S.
> Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a gift that will
> enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all year round.
> Dear Friends
> Today we are embarking on the most ambitious fundraising campaign in the
> history of LifeSiteNews.
around at a desk dreaming up new lies to push. How much money does that
take. They could hire high school dropouts to do that. Oh, wait, they do
hire high school dropouts. No need to check sources, references, facts, or
do any research or real reporting. They don't even need to dream up new
lies, just keep repackaging the old ones. Do they want a donation, give
them the stink off your shit. The only thing they need donations for is to
maintain a high living lifestyle. The anti-choice business is a profitable
one.
Baby, bad. Abortion, good!
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J
"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CD4E824...@216.196.97.131...
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a
>> gift that will enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all
>> year round.
>
> Not until I see a scanned receipt for your donation to your nearest family
> planning center.
>
I have a standing offer that I will make a $500.00 donation to 'Planned
Parenthood of America' in the name of ANY PERSON who can produce a post with
a verifiable link that was made by me with these headers supplied by Eric F
Berg
> From: "J" <Jvisi...@live.com>
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> X-Complaints-To: ab...@teranews.com
This donation will be made through PayPal for authentification.
p.s. Even those who will claim I'm bluffing about the donation should be
able to produce such a post and link; just to try and 'prove' I'm lying.
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Tim Crowley <timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote:
>> "Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:
>>> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to...
...Planned Parenthood!! ---
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/donate/donate-89.htm
>> How do you electronically transmit a dog turd?
> Simple.
>
> Pour some carbide up a [homophobic bigot's] asshole, and
> stick his dick in a light socket. Hit the light switch.
(I fixed the above for you.)
6sicks...@gmail.com
> It is an ancient J <Jvisi...@live.com>, and he posteth:
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy
Is as close as I can get.
Uncle Vic
> I have a standing offer that I will make a $500.00 donation to
> 'Planned Parenthood of America' in the name of ANY PERSON who can
> produce a post with a verifiable link that was made by me with these
> headers supplied by Eric F Berg
Heh... Enjoy!
Uncle Vic
wrote:
> It is an ancient J <Jvis...@live.com>, and he posteth:
>
>> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
>
> How do you electronically transmit a dog turd?
>
Poop Pal, of course!
panam...@hotmail.com
> "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3b1mtf....@news.alt.net...>http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/dec/09120110.htmlThis Christmas
> > Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a gift that will
> > enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all year round.
> > Dear Friends
> > Today we are embarking on the most ambitious fundraising campaign in the
> > history of LifeSiteNews.
>
> "lifesitenews"? And just what do they need funds for? All they do is sit
> around at a desk dreaming up new lies to push.
Now, now...just think of poor Winston, sitting around the Ministry of
Truth all day with nothing to do but dream of Julia. Can't you buy the
poor man a Coke machine? ;)
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
juanjo
> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/dec/09120110.html
>
> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a gift
> that will enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all year round.
>
Well "J", your screed touched my heart and I have decided to make two
donations this year. One to planned Parenthood and the second to the
ACLU. Thanks for the encouragement!
haiku jones
AGAIN?
Geez, how many donations to Planned Parenthood
has `J' inspired now? They ought to give
him a plaque in their national headquarters.
Haiku Jones
Tim Crowley
You just don't like your dirty little queer secrets being
exposed. They do such a good job of it.
LC
Nym-shifting Numbnutz "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
news:3b2qsj....@news.alt.net...
> "Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CD4E824...@216.196.97.131...
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:
>>> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a
>>> gift that will enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all
>>> year round.
>> Not until I see a scanned receipt for your donation to your nearest
>> family planning center.
> I have a standing offer that I will make a $500.00 donation to 'Planned
> Parenthood of America' in the name of ANY PERSON who can produce a post
> with a verifiable link that was made by me with these headers supplied by
> Eric F Berg
LOL!
Is that like your 'standing offer' to be at Union Square?
I think we know what your 'word' is worth...
<insert clucking noises here>
Oh, and speaking of headers and your psychiatrist Dr. Berg, we're still
waiting for you to address these:
"America, with the exception of the jews and niggers, are not a
nation of pigs."
From: "J Baker" <bi...@ass.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:18:20 -0500
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From: "J Young" <jyoung...@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How to catch a forging "J Young"
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:27:30 -0500
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"q: what do a nigger and an apple got in commona: both look good hanging
from a tree"
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No, I didn't think so.
Run Away J!
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
> Subject: This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
Okay. I'll send them a 5-pound bag of shit.
It WAS only going to be 1 pound, but you touched my soul.
--
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Uncle Vic
Cocaine machine?
Is that anything like a Fucking Machine?
panam...@hotmail.com
> One fine day in alt.atheism, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 11:27 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:3b1mtf....@news.alt.net...>http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2
> >> 009
> > /dec/09120110.htmlThis Christmas
> >> > Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com - a gift that will
> >> > enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all year round.
> >> > Dear Friends
> >> > Today we are embarking on the most ambitious fundraising campaign
> >> > in th
> > e
> >> > history of LifeSiteNews.
>
> >> "lifesitenews"? And just what do they need funds for? All they do i
> > s sit
> >> around at a desk dreaming up new lies to push.
>
> > Now, now...just think of poor Winston, sitting around the Ministry of
> > Truth all day with nothing to do but dream of Julia. Can't you buy the
> > poor man a Coke machine? ;)
>
> Cocaine machine?
>
> Is that anything like a Fucking Machine?
LOL! Sorry, Vic....I'm a Southern Boy...*all* sodas are "Cokes" down
here..think of it like "Xerox" or "Google".
"..hey man, gimme a Coke!"
"Sure! What kind you want?"
J
Eric F Berg, using one of many nyms, "LC" <LC_...@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:hf6qu...@enews1.newsguy.com...
>
> < flush crap >
a whole load of bullshit but no post or link for the headers you provided.
> From: "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> User-Agent: XanaNews/1.18.1.6 MIME-Version:
> 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Complaints-To:
> ab...@teranews.com
No prize, Bozo!
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
Uncle Vic
�
>>
>> > Now, now...just think of poor Winston, sitting around the Ministry
>> > of Truth all day with nothing to do but dream of Julia. Can't you
>> > buy the poor man a Coke machine? ;)
>>
>> Cocaine machine?
>>
>> Is that anything like a Fucking Machine?
>
> LOL! Sorry, Vic....I'm a Southern Boy...*all* sodas are "Cokes" down
> here..think of it like "Xerox" or "Google".
>
Yup, here too, but they won't automatically give you a Pepsi when you ask
for Coke. Or Fanta Strawberry for that matter... I wonder if some yuppie
sued some hapless SoCal restaurant for serving him Pepsi when he asked for
a Coke. I'm always reminded in these cases of the woman who sued
McDonald's for the burns she received spilling a cup of *coffee* on herself
(probably while answering a cell phone whilst driving her SUV), because the
restaurant hadn't warned her that the *coffee* was hot.
<Boggle>
Gotta really watch your ass in these corners.
Tim Crowley
d74164...@r40g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
Like you're going to part with any of that unemployment check
anyway.
LC
Flailing schizophrenic "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
news:3b484g....@news.alt.net...
> Eric F Berg, using only one nym, "LC" <LC_...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:hf6qu...@enews1.newsguy.com...
>> < flush crap >
> a whole load of bullshit but no post or link for the headers you provided.
Man...these quote are like Kryptonite to our house troll!
C'mon "J", deny these:
LC~ Run Away J!
Oh, and since you mentioned your Dr. Berg:
"Thanks to Eric Berg, I have discovered another newserver. This is a test of
my new server and my new e-mail.
You can still expect the same quality postings as before."
From: "J" <inv...@invalid.net>, nym # 287
Newsgroups: seattle.politics
Subject: My first post
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:17:30 -0500
Organization: ...and justice for all
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LC
Competely frickin' bonkers, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
news:3b484g....@news.alt.net...
> a whole load of bullshit but no post or link for the headers you provided.
Oh, the irony!
Gee...I wonder who this might be?:
"Come back home. Lefty's got some new footage that he thinks you'll like. He
filmed his trip to 'Girl Scout' camp this summer."
From: "Eric B. from Galesburg" <inv...@invalid.yet>
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Subject: Re: When Marcia finally met her dad
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:24:07 -0500
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Perhaps the same kook here?:
From: "dale lee humperdink" <inv...@invalid.net>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,alt.auto.mercedes
Subject: Why is Eric from Galesburg such a dick?
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:00:01 -0500
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Here's a surprise!:
"Thanks to Eric Berg, I have discovered another newserver. This is a test of
my new server and my new e-mail.
You can still expect the same quality postings as before."
From: "J" <inv...@invalid.net>
Newsgroups: seattle.politics
Subject: My first post
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Organization: ...and justice for all
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Same quality of postings, indeed!
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Sanity's Little Helper
posteth:
Yeah, that one works for me :-)
Sanity's Little Helper
> In article <7nn0gtF...@mid.individual.net>
> "Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote in message
>> news:e8xl53uqtw6x$.72h6iev4m2v1$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> It is an ancient J <Jvis...@live.com>, and he posteth:
>>>
>>>> This Christmas Season, Make a Generous Gift to LifeSiteNews.com
>>>
>>> How do you electronically transmit a dog turd?
>
> Simple.
>
> Pour some carbide up a fag's asshole, and stick his dick in a
> light socket.
>
> Hit the light switch.
>
Thanks for the demonstration.
juanjo
> I'm always reminded in these cases of the woman who sued
> McDonald's for the burns she received spilling a cup of *coffee* on herself
> (probably while answering a cell phone whilst driving her SUV), because the
> restaurant hadn't warned her that the *coffee* was hot.
>
Dear Uncle Vic:
I wanted to comment on this a bit since I know a bit about the case.
The woman involved is distantly related to me. She is a grandmother
and she was not driving a SUV nor answering her cell phone. Like many
people, she went through the drive thru and ordered a cup of coffee.
As many people do, she placed the cup between her legs and drove off.
In the course of driving she was confronted by a situation where she
had to brake suddenly and in the process of doing so, the top flipped
off the lid of the coffee and she sustained 3rd degree burns to her
labia and inner thigh area. This required surgery and extensive
medical treatment for the burns and scar tissue that formed.
The reason for large award by the jury in the law suit dealt with a
simple issue which was presented to the jury. It turns out that
McDonalds, like many corporations had done extensive customer
research. They knew that the typical drive thru customer made a 20
minute drive before they would drink their coffee and they also knew
that a significant number of their customers would place their coffee
cup between their legs when they drove off. There were several issues
they had which is why they did this research. First is that they had
received customer complaints that the coffee would be cold when they
got where they were going to drink it. Second was that the lids of
the coffee cups had a tendency to pop off when minimal pressure was
applied and that people were being scalded by hot coffee. The issue
of the cold coffee could be solved by increasing the heat at which the
coffee was served to just below boiling which they did. The spillage
issue could be solved by using a modified cup and lid which was more
expensive but would be more resistant to popping off. However the use
of the modified cup and lid would cut their profit per cup by one
quarter cent per serving. Some bean counting genius did a cost
benefit survey and calculated the number of cases where people would
spill their coffee and the average payout in cases where they were
burned. They concluded it was "cost effective" to continue to use the
cheaper lid and cup configuration and pay the settlements on the
claims since this was cheaper than the cost of using the modified lid
and cup. They knew they were putting a product into people's hands
which was far hotter than what the typical coffee drinker would be
accustomed to at home when they brewed their coffee and that the lid
on those cups would pop off in a certain percentage of cases simply
from the normal usage the cups were subjected to by the customers. The
savings per year was three million dollars.
Now you may think that is okay. I don't.
Uncle Vic
That's an interesting post, thanks! So they basically covered their
possible losses due to lawsuits by adjusting their profits based on the
materials that went into the manufacture of the lids. It figures. No
matter who sues them how many times, they still come out ahead.
That's big business for you. And no, I don't think it's OK either. Both
of my kids (grown up now) thought clowns were scary, and this kind of
thing lends some reality to the issue. McDonald's, IOW, doesn't really
care about its customers' well being (burns, scars, high cholesterol,
obesity, you name it...). They want big $$$ and that's what they're
getting through clever ads and promotions. And cost adjustments like the
one you mentioned primarily designed to cover their own collective ass.
After several years of "iffy" employment, I've landed a fairly steady job
at a venue that seems to be thriving, at least for the moment.
Unfortunately, the office is located right across the street from a
McDonald's. Heh... OK, I've been there three times for breakfast, and I
have to admit they have pretty damn good pancakes. But I make my own
coffee inside the office - besides, I won't buy drinks anywhere for lunch
since my primary mode of transportation consists of my daily choice
between the two motorcycles in my garage at home. But I generally tend
to avoid fast food venues like McD's, Jack in the Box, Carl's, etc.
because the food just makes me feel bad. Yet these places thrive on, due
to agressive ad campaigns.
OK...
I hate to say it, but putting a cup of hot coffee between your legs is
either the result of absolute stupidity, or complete absence of mind. I
wouldn't even put a coke between my legs. All cars these days have cup
holders. Like, dude, WTF? This case is the definitive definition of
"Frivolous Lawsuit". The kind that needs to be thrown out of court as an
example for those who may follow. Pandering to idiots is not what our
courts are for. I'm sorry.
Khendon
Vic - the point the poster was making was that McD was serving coffee that
*it knew would cause third degree burns*, and also *that the cups it was
serving them in were cheaper*, even though they knew they could make them
safer, by spending *1/4* of a cent per cup.
It's about a company putting profits ahead of safety - they would still make
money, even by paying out for lawsuits, and trying to make it "the other
guy's fault".
This is the antithesis of "frivolous" - it's exposing a danger from a
company that cared for money more than actually making something safe.
Uncle Vic
I thought I covered that... see 2nd paragraph.
Dean Turner
Dean Turner
>Simple.
>Pour some carbide up a fag's asshole, and stick
>his dick in a light socket.
Go back to fucking your cousin in the trailer park, you inbred cracker
POS.
Dean Turner
in humanity.
juanjo
Stella was age 79 in 1992 when this accident happened. BTW I was
wrong when I said it was a sudden stop that caused the coffee lid to
pop off. That is what I get for writing off the top of my head about
this matter. She was the passenger and the car was not moving. She
had placed the cup on her knees and was trying to remove the lid when
it popped off and spilled all over her lap. She had wanted to add
some sugar before drinking it. She suffered third-degree burns on six
percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent. She
remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin
grafting. During this period, Stella lost 20 pounds (nearly 20% of her
body weight), reducing her down to 83 pounds. Two years of medical
treatment was necessary to allow her to return to some sort of normal
life. I agree with you that it is foolhardy to put a cup of hot
coffee in one's lap or on one's knee. But the point is that McDonalds
knew that people commonly did this in their cars and that the lids of
their coffee cups had the propensity to pop off unexpectedly if
relatively minor pressure was applied. Evidence showed that from 1982
to 1992 the company had received more than 700 reports of people
burned by McDonald's coffee to varying degrees of severity. All from
lids popping off of cups of coffee sold at a temperature between 180
and 200 degrees which will cause a 3rd degree burn in 6 seconds.
McDonald's quality control manager, Christopher Appleton, testified
that this number of injuries was insufficient to cause the company to
re-evaluate its practices. The jury found that McDonald's was 80%
responsible for the incident and Stella was 20% at fault. They awarded
Stella US$200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by
20% to $160,000. In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in
punitive damages. The jurors apparently arrived at this figure from
Morgan's suggestion to penalize McDonald's for one or two days' worth
of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day. The judge
reduced punitive damages to $480,000, three times the compensatory
amount, for a total of $640,000.
Father Haskell
> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/dec/09120110.html
>
> that will enlighten minds, save lives and change the culture all year round.
Greed, the queen of the Deadly Sins. Jesus hates you.
Ray Fischer
> juanjo
>>They knew they were putting a product into people's hands
>>which was far hotter than what the typical coffee drinker would be
>>accustomed to at home when they brewed their coffee and that the lid
>>on those cups would pop off in a certain percentage of cases simply
>>from the normal usage the cups were subjected to by the customers. The
>>savings per year was three million dollars.
>>
>>Now you may think that is okay. I don't.
>
>That is the way all businesses are run.
And that's the way the courts are run. You intentionally harm people
and you get slapped with a large fines until it becomes less expensive
to behave.
> An auto could be made that
>would be survivable in almost any accident but at $500,000.00 each how
>many would be sold?
>
>Would you pay $50.00 for a cup of coffee that would still be hot in 20
>minutes and would never spill under any conditions?
Fallacy of the false dichotomy, and a stupidly obvious one, too.
Whining about a $50 cup just makes you look like a shill spouting
pro-corporate propaganda.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Kenny McCormack
Ray Fischer <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
...
>Fallacy of the false dichotomy, and a stupidly obvious one, too.
Yes. Very much so.
>Whining about a $50 cup just makes you look like a shill spouting
>pro-corporate propaganda.
And this is the thing that always amazes me. Usenet posters are, by and
large, on the smarter side of the political spectrum (*). But on this
one issue - producty liability - they lose their way and come off as
corporatists. Funny, that.
(*) I have always believed that most of the Republican twaddle that gets
posted to newsgroups is not posted by genuine Usenetters, and is,
instead, corporate plants. Astroturf, as they say. In fact, most
current Republicanism, tea baggers, etc, is found to be bought and paid
for by Fox News, etc.