A HOMOPHOBIC ATHEIST: MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR
robertno...@hotmail.com
Editor
Letters
THE POST-CRESCENT
PCN...@Athenet.Net
Not all anti-homosexual bigotry has come from the
Reggie Whites of the religious right.
The following memorandum* of Madalyn Murray O'
Hair shows that at least part of the Atheist community
is not immune from this bigotry.
The memorandum - dated May 20, 1976 - was addressed
to New York journalist John Lauritsen in response to his
protest against her homophobic remarks made to a
convention of one of her oganizations, the Society of
Separationists. The memorandum follows:
"The California Chapter of Society of Separationists, Inc.,
Has sent me a zerox [sic] copy of your letter dated May
Day, 1976.
"I would expect this kind of literature to issue from a miso-
gomist [sic]. I am a female head of a American Atheist
group. You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck.
"Also, we are not Marxists as you are.
"Form your own group of cock-sucking Atheist Marxists
and be happy, kiddo, but don't count me as an ally.
"SOCIETY OF SEPARATIONISTS, Inc.
"Madalyn Murray O'Hair, President"
A question that should be posed to Ellen Johnson, present
head of American Atheists, the premier O'Hair organization,
is: Will she introduce a resolution to the next national convention
of American Atheists condemning the founding mother of
Am. A. - for her homophobic bigotry?
Robert E. Nordlander
no...@powernetonline.com
333 Lopas Street
Menasha, WI 54952
Telephone: 920 725 1864
*Source: MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR: THE AMAZING
DISAPPEARANCE AND POSSIBLE MURDER OF THE
O'HAIR FAMILY, by Jon Rappaport. pp. 31-32. [Available
from Truth Seeker Co., Inc. 16935 W. Bernardo Drive, # 103,
Rancho Bernardo, CA 92127.
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Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
robertno...@hotmail.com
no...@powernetonline.com
To: alt.athesim, wi.general, milw.general, alt.politics.homosexuality
August 3, 1998
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<snip crap>
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Fish
<checks troll-meter>
[...+../]
Yep. Definitely a troll.
Cerberus? Dispose of this refuse.
<<PLONK!>>
Good boys.
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K.A. Brooks
> August 3, 1998 [COPY]
> Editor
> Letters
> THE POST-CRESCENT
> PCN...@Athenet.Net
> Not all anti-homosexual bigotry has come from the
> Reggie Whites of the religious right.
> The following memorandum* of Madalyn Murray O'
> Hair shows that at least part of the Atheist community
> is not immune from this bigotry.
> "I would expect this kind of literature to issue from a miso-
> gomist [sic]. I am a female head of a American Atheist
> group. You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
> don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck.
> "Also, we are not Marxists as you are.
> "Form your own group of cock-sucking Atheist Marxists
> and be happy, kiddo, but don't count me as an ally.
-MMO
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robertno...@hotmail.com posted the following to alt.atheism:
<checks troll-meter>
[...+../]
Yep. Definitely a troll.
Cerberus? Dispose of this refuse.
<<PLONK!>>
Good boys.
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Alt.Atheism #623
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Isn't robertnorlander pro/an atheist?
Seems to me that Mr. robertnorlander feels that the official atheist
organization should retract Ms. O'Hair's comments, thus putting an
official end to discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals within the
atheist sect.
Mr. Fish #623 on the other hand seems to dispute this idea by attributing
Mr. robrtnorlander information and request as a "troll".
This leads one to wonder how many other atheist like Mr. Fish #623 would
continue with the status quo of bigotry towards homosexuality within the
atheist movement?
I find it very interesting and disheartening that for 22 years no
official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
comments. Could it be that the Atheist Movement is as bigoted as some
Religious Movements?
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"You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck."
-M.M. O'Hair (Female head of a American Atheist)
Xalan
Victor Danilchenko wrote in message <35C5DABA...@cs.umass.edu>...
>robertno...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
><snip crap>
>
> Damn, we have too many bridges around here... trolls are breeding too
>fast.
>--
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What I don't get is why all theists want to lump all atheist together. I
thought the only two things we had in common was our disbelief and free
thinking. It really annoys me that because I am an atheist people think they
know what I feel about everything.
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Kalle Helenius
K.A. Brooks wrote in message ...
>On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 robertno...@hotmail.com wrote:
<Snip irrelevant stuff>
>Isn't robertnorlander pro/an atheist?
Ask him.
>Seems to me that Mr. robertnorlander feels that the official atheist
>organization should retract Ms. O'Hair's comments, thus putting an
>official end to discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals within the
>atheist sect.
Within what? It's an organisation, not even big. It's like asking Clinton to
apologise for something that Jimmy Carter did. And now, get *this* straight.
Amongst the people here in a.a, i doubt there are more than 20 members of
American Atheists. American Atheists are *not* by *any* means _the_ official
organisation of anything! Fuck you for pigeonholing us.
>Mr. Fish #623 on the other hand seems to dispute this idea by attributing
>Mr. robrtnorlander information and request as a "troll".
Seemed trollish enough. Whereever did you get the idea that a.a was a
sounding board for, and a faction of the American Atheists? Are you bychance
somewhat limited in your mental faculties? No, wait, you are a theist,
right? Moot point.
>This leads one to wonder how many other atheist like Mr. Fish #623 would
>continue with the status quo of bigotry towards homosexuality within the
>atheist movement?
EXCUSE ME, dear mister dickhead. First of all, THERE IS NO *THE ATHEIST
MOVEMENT*! And why, e'en as thou art a theist <spit>, wouldst thou continue
to slander us atheists <mmm>, yea, even to go 'gainst thou own holy book to
bear false witness of your fellow men? Care to explain how there is a
"status quo" of bigotry amongst atheists, liar?
>I find it very interesting and disheartening that for 22 years no
>official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
>comments. Could it be that the Atheist Movement is as bigoted as some
>Religious Movements?
I find it *very* disheartening to find that to carry the deep-rooted fear
you have of using your own brain, you have to imagine bad things about
people you obviously know nothing about, just to justify your own lack of
life. You have mightily offended me by calling me a bigot. I find it
sickening to have to tolerate scum like you on this NG, scum that festers
old injustices like they were the diamonds and pearls of life. Pray tell, do
you have to hit yourself over the head with a plank a lot, just to tolerate
yourself every day? That *would* explain a lot. Or, are you incapable of
viewing people without the deep ingrained stereotypias you obviously carry
in your heart of hearts, wishing you were better than the others? That's a
very juvenile behaviour pattern, but one that would suit yout ilk very well.
I suggest you get your facts straight before posting again.
No. 907, Shop Attendant, Clue-shop for Theists,
Logic section, laid off because lack of business, suing
EAC for severance pay. Remove number to reply.
robe...@hotmail.com
Only part of the atheist movement can be construed as
homophobic just as only part of organized Christianity
is homophobic. It should not be forgotten, however,
that the Bible commands capital punishment for homosexual
activity.
Yes, I am an atheist. Unfortunately, I have found
irrationality and bigotry among atheists just as I
have found it among religious folk - that is not to
say that there are no thinking and rational people among
religious folk.
American Atheists, the organization founded by Madalyn
Murray O' Hair must be considered as homophobic as the
most backward Christian sect that upholds the Bible as
the literal word of the thundering deity of Sinai.
When American Atheists repudiates Madalyn's bigotry
towards homosexuals and others then and only then can it
be considered an organization worthy of respect and not
an organization that was simply a money-raising scam
operated by the Murray O'Hairs for their personal
enrichment, a scam which present officers may be seeking
to continue.
Robert E. Nordlander
robe...@hotmail.com
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980803...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
"K.A. Brooks" <des...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 robertno...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Isn't robertnorlander pro/an atheist?
>
> Seems to me that Mr. robertnorlander feels that the official atheist
> organization should retract Ms. O'Hair's comments, thus putting an
> official end to discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals within the
> atheist sect.
>
> Mr. Fish #623 on the other hand seems to dispute this idea by attributing
> Mr. robrtnorlander information and request as a "troll".
>
> This leads one to wonder how many other atheist like Mr. Fish #623 would
> continue with the status quo of bigotry towards homosexuality within the
> atheist movement?
>
> I find it very interesting and disheartening that for 22 years no
> official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
> comments. Could it be that the Atheist Movement is as bigoted as some
> Religious Movements?
>
> ******************************************************
> "You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
> don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck."
> -M.M. O'Hair (Female head of a American Atheist)
>
>
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robe...@my-dejanews.com
The kind of vulgar response dispatched from Finland
certainly will not add to public respect for atheists
and might diminish the high regard which the world
has for the people of Finland.
It should be noted that that American Atheists has
enabled the O'Hairs to establish overseas bank accounts
worth - according to some estimates - at least $20 million.
An organization of only 20 people could hardly be bilked
of that amount.
Read the Rappaport book for the truth about the O'Hairs
and their atheist scam, a scam conducted in the finest
tradition of Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
Robert E. Nordlander
robe...@hotmail.com
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In article <6q6p1r$i6j$1...@learnet.freenet.hut.fi>,
"Kalle Helenius" <Kalle.H...@907.aldata.fi> wrote:
>
> K.A. Brooks wrote in message ...
> >On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 robertno...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> <Snip irrelevant stuff>
>
> >Isn't robertnorlander pro/an atheist?
>
> Ask him.
>
> >Seems to me that Mr. robertnorlander feels that the official atheist
> >organization should retract Ms. O'Hair's comments, thus putting an
> >official end to discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals within the
> >atheist sect.
>
> Within what? It's an organisation, not even big. It's like asking Clinton to
> apologise for something that Jimmy Carter did. And now, get *this* straight.
> Amongst the people here in a.a, i doubt there are more than 20 members of
> American Atheists. American Atheists are *not* by *any* means _the_ official
> organisation of anything! Fuck you for pigeonholing us.
>
> >Mr. Fish #623 on the other hand seems to dispute this idea by attributing
> >Mr. robrtnorlander information and request as a "troll".
>
> Seemed trollish enough. Whereever did you get the idea that a.a was a
> sounding board for, and a faction of the American Atheists? Are you bychance
> somewhat limited in your mental faculties? No, wait, you are a theist,
> right? Moot point.
>
> >This leads one to wonder how many other atheist like Mr. Fish #623 would
> >continue with the status quo of bigotry towards homosexuality within the
> >atheist movement?
>
> EXCUSE ME, dear mister dickhead. First of all, THERE IS NO *THE ATHEIST
> MOVEMENT*! And why, e'en as thou art a theist <spit>, wouldst thou continue
> to slander us atheists <mmm>, yea, even to go 'gainst thou own holy book to
> bear false witness of your fellow men? Care to explain how there is a
> "status quo" of bigotry amongst atheists, liar?
>
> >I find it very interesting and disheartening that for 22 years no
> >official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
> >comments. Could it be that the Atheist Movement is as bigoted as some
> >Religious Movements?
>
> I find it *very* disheartening to find that to carry the deep-rooted fear
> you have of using your own brain, you have to imagine bad things about
> people you obviously know nothing about, just to justify your own lack of
> life. You have mightily offended me by calling me a bigot. I find it
> sickening to have to tolerate scum like you on this NG, scum that festers
> old injustices like they were the diamonds and pearls of life. Pray tell, do
> you have to hit yourself over the head with a plank a lot, just to tolerate
> yourself every day? That *would* explain a lot. Or, are you incapable of
> viewing people without the deep ingrained stereotypias you obviously carry
> in your heart of hearts, wishing you were better than the others? That's a
> very juvenile behaviour pattern, but one that would suit yout ilk very well.
>
> I suggest you get your facts straight before posting again.
>
> No. 907, Shop Attendant, Clue-shop for Theists,
> Logic section, laid off because lack of business, suing
> EAC for severance pay. Remove number to reply.
>
>
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Carol Lee Smith
"I find it very interesting and disheartening that for 22 years no
official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
comments. Could it be that the Atheist Movement is as bigoted as some
Religious Movements?
Several things are worthy of note here. You have stated that no
official leader from the Atheist Movement ....."
Do you believe there is ONE atheist movement? Or did you say
"Atheist Movement" when you should have said American Atheists?
Saying the "Atheist Movement" is sort of like saying the "Christian
Movement."
Perhaps a visit to a couple of infidel, humanist, atheist, secular,
skeptic, freethinker websites would give you an idea of the scope
and breadth of the non-theist community.
Carol Smith
"Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have
disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than
Moses, if this account [Num.31:13-18] be true. Here is an order to
butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and debauch the daughters."
-Thomas Paine THE AGE OF REASON
Carol Lee Smith
sig.line which is repeated here below:
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"You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck."
-M.M. O'Hair (Female head of a American Atheist)
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reason? Are you saying MM O'Hair was a female and had
a head? Or could you have meant to say MM O'Hair,
female head of an organization called American Atheists?
Greg Gyetko
> August 4, 1998
>
> The kind of vulgar response dispatched from Finland
> certainly will not add to public respect for atheists
> and might diminish the high regard which the world
> has for the people of Finland.
Here's a vulgar response from Kanata, Canada:
Fuck you.
Your money's on the dresser, will you still respect me in the morning if I still
respect you?
> It should be noted that that American Atheists has
> enabled the O'Hairs to establish overseas bank accounts
> worth - according to some estimates - at least $20 million.
Proving that human beings can be ripped off. Who knew?
> An organization of only 20 people could hardly be bilked
> of that amount.
Ah, so your problem is *reading comprehension*. Where did Kalle say that 20
people constituted the membership of the Amer. Atheists? Answer: nowhere. She
said that no more than 20 alt.atheism atheists were members of American Atheists.
I got that on the first reading.
> Read the Rappaport book for the truth about the O'Hairs
> and their atheist scam, a scam conducted in the finest
> tradition of Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
You point being?
Greg.
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so why bother?"
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K.A. Brooks
> Most theists are simply unable to conceive of something so odious to
> their mindset as individuality. The fact that most atheists refuse to
> be a part of any group is simply beyond them. And the fact that
> atheists who do join some kind of group still remain individuals just
> boggles their mind. Theists are of the sheepflock mentality - you
> belong to their religion and you do and believe as you are told. This
> will never happen with atheists, and theists just are incapable of
> understanding this. In fact, it scares the hell out of them. They need
> to think that they understand us, so that they can condemn us for what
> they fear to understand.
Are you saying that you know all atheist and all theist?
Dose it scare the hell out of you that you are incapable of understanding
anything other then what you think?
Sounds pretty closed minded to me.
Gives a whole new meaning to free thinking, maybe you should call it
closed thinking or Michelle Malkin thinking instead.
Matt Allan Miller
>
>Isn't robertnorlander pro/an atheist?
Perhaps.
>
>Seems to me that Mr. robertnorlander feels that the official atheist
>organization should retract Ms. O'Hair's comments, thus putting an
>official end to discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals within the
>atheist sect.
"The official atheist sect"? There is no such thing.
>
>Mr. Fish #623 on the other hand seems to dispute this idea by attributing
>Mr. robrtnorlander information and request as a "troll".
The original post was very likely intended to stir the shit and do nothing productive. That would make it a troll. If
the poster comes back into the thread, maybe he'll be considered worth listening to.
>
>This leads one to wonder how many other atheist like Mr. Fish #623 would
>continue with the status quo of bigotry towards homosexuality within the
>atheist movement?
There is no atheist movement. However, in my experience homophobia is not common among atheists.
>
>I find it very interesting and disheartening that for 22 years no
>official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
>comments.
Perhaps they're holed up in the secret underground atheist bunker, busy makeing plans for world domination.
-Matt Miller
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"He was like a golden seal, he fucking shimmered"
-Might magazine on the "death" of Adam Rich
Michelle Malkin
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980803...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
> "K.A. Brooks" <des...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>> > Editor
>> > Letters
>> > THE POST-CRESCENT
>> > PCN...@Athenet.Net
>> > Not all anti-homosexual bigotry has come from the
>> > Reggie Whites of the religious right.
>> > The following memorandum* of Madalyn Murray O'
>> > Hair shows that at least part of the Atheist community
>> > is not immune from this bigotry.
>> [snip]
>>
>> > "I would expect this kind of literature to issue from a miso-
>> > gomist [sic]. I am a female head of a American Atheist
>> > don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck.
>>
>> organization should retract Ms. O'Hair's comments, thus putting an
>> official end to discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals within the
>> atheist sect.
>>
>> Mr. robrtnorlander information and request as a "troll".
>>
>> continue with the status quo of bigotry towards homosexuality within the
>> atheist movement?
>>
>> official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
>> Religious Movements?
>>
>> "You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
>> don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck."
>> -M.M. O'Hair (Female head of a American Atheist)
>>
>>
>
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Michelle Malkin
Madalyn Murray O'Hare, if she even ever made this comment (proof,
please), was speaking only for herself, not for all the members of
American Atheists. If you are so dense as to not understand this, then
you are a fool and a trouble-maker. I'm sure that there are gay
members of AA who also think that you are merely trying to kick up a
fuss. And, please stop repeatedly posting the same articles in
alt.atheism. If you really are an atheist, you are doing your damndest
to aggravate other atheists by doing this.
other articles snipped
Michelle Malkin
>August 4, 1998
>
>The kind of vulgar response dispatched from Finland
>certainly will not add to public respect for atheists
>and might diminish the high regard which the world
>has for the people of Finland.
>
>enabled the O'Hairs to establish overseas bank accounts
>worth - according to some estimates - at least $20 million.
>of that amount.
>
>and their atheist scam, a scam conducted in the finest
>tradition of Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
>
three people could run off and disappear while having accounts with
millions of dollars in them just sitting there doing nothing. It is
damned odd. I'm still waiting for the bodies to be found. No one would
be that stupid. As far as I'm concerned, they were all murdered. After
reading six of Madalyn Murray O'Hare's books and knowing how hard she
worked for years to get all the information she acquired about
atheists and atheism, I refuse to believe that she would do what she
is accused of having done. I'll only believe it if and when she is
dragged into a courtroom in handcuffs and freely admits that she did
this. Until you have evidence that can be used against her in court,
shut the hell up!
Mark Richardson
>August 4, 1998
>
>Only part of the atheist movement can be construed as
>homophobic just as only part of organized Christianity
>is homophobic. It should not be forgotten, however,
>that the Bible commands capital punishment for homosexual
>activity.
The vast majority of atheist are not part of any "atheist movement".
(Some of us are not American )
>American Atheists, the organization founded by Madalyn
>Murray O' Hair must be considered as homophobic as the
>most backward Christian sect that upholds the Bible as
>the literal word of the thundering deity of Sinai.
>
Why not take it up with them instead of bugging us?
Mark.
Michelle Malkin
>
>Victor Danilchenko wrote in message <35C5DABA...@cs.umass.edu>...
>>robertno...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>><snip crap>
>>
>> Damn, we have too many bridges around here... trolls are breeding too
>>fast.
>>--
>>| Victor A. Danilchenko CSCF support |
>
>
>What I don't get is why all theists want to lump all atheist together. I
>thought the only two things we had in common was our disbelief and free
>thinking. It really annoys me that because I am an atheist people think they
>know what I feel about everything.
Most theists are simply unable to conceive of something so odious to
their mindset as individuality. The fact that most atheists refuse to
be a part of any group is simply beyond them. And the fact that
atheists who do join some kind of group still remain individuals just
boggles their mind. Theists are of the sheepflock mentality - you
belong to their religion and you do and believe as you are told. This
will never happen with atheists, and theists just are incapable of
understanding this. In fact, it scares the hell out of them. They need
to think that they understand us, so that they can condemn us for what
they fear to understand.
>
>||| |||
> |||
>||| |||ALAN
Michelle Malkin
>robe...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>> August 4, 1998
>>
>> The kind of vulgar response dispatched from Finland
>> certainly will not add to public respect for atheists
>> and might diminish the high regard which the world
>> has for the people of Finland.
>
>
>> It should be noted that that American Atheists has
>> enabled the O'Hairs to establish overseas bank accounts
>> worth - according to some estimates - at least $20 million.
>> An organization of only 20 people could hardly be bilked
>> of that amount.
>>
>> Read the Rappaport book for the truth about the O'Hairs
>> and their atheist scam, a scam conducted in the finest
>> tradition of Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
>
>asshole?..
Is there really a Texas Atheist Association or whatever it's called? I
wonder if Robert has been doing a troll as 'gofreemind'.
Michelle Malkin
>robe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> August 4, 1998
>>
>> Only part of the atheist movement can be construed as
>> homophobic just as only part of organized Christianity
>> is homophobic. It should not be forgotten, however,
>> that the Bible commands capital punishment for homosexual
>> activity.
>>
>> irrationality and bigotry among atheists just as I
>> have found it among religious folk - that is not to
>> say that there are no thinking and rational people among
>> religious folk.
>>
>> Murray O' Hair must be considered as homophobic as the
>> most backward Christian sect that upholds the Bible as
>> the literal word of the thundering deity of Sinai.
>>
>> towards homosexuals and others then and only then can it
>> be considered an organization worthy of respect and not
>> an organization that was simply a money-raising scam
>> operated by the Murray O'Hairs for their personal
>> enrichment, a scam which present officers may be seeking
>> to continue.
>
>available publication can I verify your quote in? I suspect that you
>have lied, that your quote is made-up. I would like to see your sources
>for myself. Give me an exact reference.
>
>P.S. Even if you ARE right in that quote, you are still a troll.
>Cross-posting the message to both alt.atheism and
>alt.politics.homosexuality is a clear attempt to start a flamewar.
He's been trying to do this for weeks. He hates O'Hare and is willing
to say anything to smear her, now that she isn't here to defend
herself. I wonder what the other people in his atheist group think of
his actions.
Michelle Malkin
>> their mindset as individuality. The fact that most atheists refuse to
>> be a part of any group is simply beyond them. And the fact that
>> atheists who do join some kind of group still remain individuals just
>> boggles their mind. Theists are of the sheepflock mentality - you
>> belong to their religion and you do and believe as you are told. This
>> will never happen with atheists, and theists just are incapable of
>> understanding this. In fact, it scares the hell out of them. They need
>> to think that they understand us, so that they can condemn us for what
>> they fear to understand.
>
>Dose it scare the hell out of you that you are incapable of understanding
>anything other then what you think?
>Sounds pretty closed minded to me.
>Gives a whole new meaning to free thinking, maybe you should call it
>closed thinking or Michelle Malkin thinking instead.
Did you notice the very first word of my above paragraph? The word is
'most', not 'all'. Now, go to bed like a good boy. First thing
tomorrow morning, you have to consider learning how to read.
Jeff Wilson
wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 robertno...@hotmail.com wrote:
I don't know the particulars of that case, but there is no atheist
movement. Ms. O'Hair created an organization that some have
joined, but she did not represent all atheists. I don't have an
"official leader". Perhaps no-one has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
statement, if she made it, because everyone feels she was an
individual and they have no right assume her persona to the extent
that they can retract any statement she made. I certainly have no
sympathy for that statement, if she made it. If she were a Christian,
you wouldn't have found such a view to be so far from the norm.
>
>
>******************************************************
>"You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
>don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck."
>-M.M. O'Hair (Female head of a American Atheist)
>
>
>
Please remove the capital X's from my e-mail address.
They are meant to thwart unsolicited commercial mail.
Kinnickinnic
resort to condescension as a means of blowing off coments they don't agree
with?
Michelle is obviously the kind of person you'd want to invite over to your
house.....when you feel like being alone.
Michelle Malkin wrote:
Kalle Helenius
robe...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6q7n16$h49$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>August 4, 1998
>
>The kind of vulgar response dispatched from Finland
>certainly will not add to public respect for atheists
>and might diminish the high regard which the world
>has for the people of Finland.
Vulgar? I'll tell you what's vulgar! Vulgar is an outright liar, and an
intellectually dishonest idiot like you! How dare you call a group of people
bigots without *any* proof whatsoever, even if *one* of them is a bigot? I
might call you a whoremonger and a adulterer, as i seem to remember that in
the last few years there's been a good few xian leaders falling into those
traps. You, sir, seem to lack the intellectual integrity of requiring proof
before drawing conclusions. Not that this surprises me, you theists have
been intellectually dishonest for as long as there has been religion.
>It should be noted that that American Atheists has
>enabled the O'Hairs to establish overseas bank accounts
>worth - according to some estimates - at least $20 million.
>An organization of only 20 people could hardly be bilked
>of that amount.
And the proof of this is where? It might be noteworthy to you, that unless
you establish at least a semblance of that, you are potentially in libel
over this matter. But unsubstantiated accusations are easy to toss around,
aren't they, mister high-and-mighty-twit?
>Read the Rappaport book for the truth about the O'Hairs
>and their atheist scam, a scam conducted in the finest
>tradition of Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
Details, man, details? I will consider you a troll unless shown otherwise.
>Robert E. Nordlander
>robe...@hotmail.com
>--------------------------------------------------------
Red Celt
alt.politics.homosexuality, wi.general and milw.general but as I would
quite like the poster to read this reply I shall refrain from cutting
them from this reply.......
On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 05:37:52 -0500, Kinnickinnic <br...@bennett.org>
wrote:
>Why is it that these so called "free-thinkers" (try saying that with a lisp)
"free-thinkerth"? and?
Try doing it rather than attempting asinine comments about the
pronunciation.
>resort to condescension as a means of blowing off coments they don't agree
>with?
Speaking for myself, after trying to use reasoned and logical
arguments with theists for the umpteenth time the feeling of banging
heads against brick walls grows into a crescendo of frustration at
which point I give up all pretence of civility and talk to the theist
in the only manner which they seem to be able to relate to.
ie I speak to them in a condescending manner.
I won't try and speak for Mickey but I would be willing to bet a
modest sum of money that she was driven by similar thoughts in her
reply.
>
>Michelle is obviously the kind of person you'd want to invite over to your
>house.....when you feel like being alone.
Michelle would be warmly welcomed in my home should she ever find
herself in my neck of the woods during her next trip to Limeyland.
From her posts I find her to be intelligent, usually eloquent and
always interesting. You, on the other hand, fail all 3.
Do you feel like being alone on a regular basis? I thought christians
claim that god is omnipresent? Talk about big brother! ;)
Red Celt
#883
robe...@hotmail.com
Your response is worthy of a Bible-thumper!
Robert E. Nordlander
robe...@hotmail.com
---------------------------------------------------------
In article <35d1bb09...@news.mindspring.com>,
hyp...@B5B7STSW.com wrote:
> robe...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >August 4, 1998
> >
> >Only part of the atheist movement can be construed as
> >homophobic just as only part of organized Christianity
> >is homophobic. It should not be forgotten, however,
> >that the Bible commands capital punishment for homosexual
> >activity.
> >
> >Yes, I am an atheist. Unfortunately, I have found
> >irrationality and bigotry among atheists just as I
> >have found it among religious folk - that is not to
> >say that there are no thinking and rational people among
> >religious folk.
> >
> >American Atheists, the organization founded by Madalyn
> >Murray O' Hair must be considered as homophobic as the
> >most backward Christian sect that upholds the Bible as
> >the literal word of the thundering deity of Sinai.
> >
> >When American Atheists repudiates Madalyn's bigotry
> >towards homosexuals and others then and only then can it
> >be considered an organization worthy of respect and not
> >an organization that was simply a money-raising scam
> >operated by the Murray O'Hairs for their personal
> >enrichment, a scam which present officers may be seeking
> >to continue.
> >
> >Robert E. Nordlander
> >robe...@hotmail.com
> >
> Robert, you are full of it.a
> >------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980803...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
> >> ******************************************************
> >> "You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
> >> don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck."
> >> -M.M. O'Hair (Female head of a American Atheist)
> >>
> >>
> >
K.A. Brooks
> Vulgar? I'll tell you what's vulgar! Vulgar is an outright liar, and an
> intellectually dishonest idiot like you! How dare you call a group of people
> bigots without *any* proof whatsoever, even if *one* of them is a bigot? I
> might call you a whoremonger and a adulterer, as i seem to remember that in
> the last few years there's been a good few xian leaders falling into those
> traps.
robe...@hotmail.com
Is an admitted atheist, IOW he is not a theist.
I do believe he provide a documented quote by Ms. O'Hair as well.
Ward Stewart
Malkin) wrote:
>
>Madalyn Murray O'Hare, if she even ever made this comment (proof,
>please), was speaking only for herself, not for all the members of
>American Atheists. If you are so dense as to not understand this, then
>you are a fool and a trouble-maker. I'm sure that there are gay
>members of AA who also think that you are merely trying to kick up a
>fuss. And, please stop repeatedly posting the same articles in
>alt.atheism. If you really are an atheist, you are doing your damndest
>to aggravate other atheists by doing this.
My suspicion in the matter is that unless an atheist is at least
moderately aggravated most of time he is lying down on the job.
As for "proof," or some further citations in the matter, I too would
like to see them -- Odd as she clearly was, the sort of hate-speech
in the remarks cited seems out of character.
ward
>
>other articles snipped
>
>
>
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
"Love, like a mountain-wind upon an oak,
Falling upon me, shakes me leaf and bough."
Sappho of Lesbos
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Paul J. Koeck
> please), was speaking only for herself, not for all the members of
> American Atheists. If you are so dense as to not understand this, then
> you are a fool and a trouble-maker. I'm sure that there are gay
> members of AA who also think that you are merely trying to kick up a
> fuss. And, please stop repeatedly posting the same articles in
> alt.atheism. If you really are an atheist, you are doing your damndest
> to aggravate other atheists by doing this.
>
This is not the same Robert Nordlander. This is a fraudulent fundy
trying to "poke a stick in the beehive" as it were, and see what
happens.
--
Paul J. Koeck, #360
Don't let reality hit you in the ass on your way out.
Only an idiot or a dishonest PromiseKeeper cult member would
think that my opinions necessarily reflect those of my employer.
To reply, change Byte.Me to Primavera
Paul J. Koeck
You, sir, are a troll. An obvious one. You make the classic fundy
mistakes in spelling, punctuation, etc. You refer to some kind of
"Atheist Movement", which doesn't exist.
You are a fundy troll who is attempting to cause trouble by assuming
the cload of a well-known atheist poster, who BTW NEVER responds to
replies to his posts. He is also considered a troll, but he wouldn't
make your mistakes. Your biggest, of course, was in responding.
He wouldn't have.
Knock it off, fuckwad! We don't need your shit here. Go eat it
someplace else, amongst people who are used to it - try one of
the xian newsgroups, I'm sure they'll love your stench.
Stop responding people, he's a fake.
Carol Lee Smith
"
My suspicion in the matter is that unless an atheist is at least
moderately aggravated most of time he is lying down on the job.
As for "proof," or some further citations in the matter, I too would
like to see them -- Odd as she clearly was, the sort of hate-speech
in the remarks cited seems out of character."
I also would like to see citations.
Fish
> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:03:40 -0500, "K.A. Brooks" <des...@csd.uwm.edu>
> wrote:
[snip]
> >Isn't robertnorlander pro/an atheist?
> >
> >Seems to me that Mr. robertnorlander feels that the official atheist
> >organization should retract Ms. O'Hair's comments, thus putting an
> >official end to discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals within the
> >atheist sect.
I'm not aware of *any* atheist organization (let alone American
Atheists) being officially discriminatory or bigoted towards
homosexuals.
> >Mr. Fish #623 on the other hand seems to dispute this idea by attributing
> >Mr. robrtnorlander information and request as a "troll".
What "information"? What "request"? What the fuck are you talking about?
His post was inflammatory and meant only to provoke outrage. Thus, he is
a troll.
> >This leads one to wonder how many other atheist like Mr. Fish #623 would
> >continue with the status quo of bigotry towards homosexuality within the
> >atheist movement?
You are one fucked up person. How the hell does one person's OUT OF
CONTEXT quote constitute "information"? Where the fuck is the letter she
was supposedly responding to, eh? Perhaps her response was entirely
appropriate given the circumstances? But we don't know because not
enough information was provided. Only *ONE* quite biased side of the
story was presented. That's called "trolling". Mr. Norlander can
therefore be justly labeled as a troll.
Are you perchance a theist?
> >I find it very interesting and disheartening that for 22 years no
> >official leader from the Atheist Movement has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
> >comments. Could it be that the Atheist Movement is as bigoted as some
> >Religious Movements?
And that's another thing (I'm glad you brought it up):
The quote is >>> 22 FUCKING YEARS OLD!! <<<< for crying out loud!!!
You know, people *can* change. People who used to be homophobic (and I'm
not saying she was until I get more information, like a copy of the
letter she was responding to) can over time realize how wrong such an
attitude is and change it for the better. You know that, don't you?
People can change?
Tell me: Has she or American Atheists or ANY OTHER organization she is
connected with made *ANY* type of homophobic remark within the last few
years? Have they? No. They haven't.
Thus, dredging up such old dirt as Mr. Norlander has only serves to
prove what an obvious troll he really is. Q.E.D.
> I don't know the particulars of that case, but there is no atheist
> movement. Ms. O'Hair created an organization that some have
> joined, but she did not represent all atheists. I don't have an
> "official leader". Perhaps no-one has retracted Ms. O'Hair's
> statement, if she made it, because everyone feels she was an
> individual and they have no right assume her persona to the extent
> that they can retract any statement she made. I certainly have no
> sympathy for that statement, if she made it. If she were a Christian,
> you wouldn't have found such a view to be so far from the norm.
Well said.
[snip remainder]
--
David Johnston
Hooey. He didn't even get her name right.
Michelle Malkin
Who heard her say this quote and how reliable is their word? If they
were already prejudiced against her for whatever reasons, I'd need
more proof than just their word for what someone else said.
Michelle Malkin
>Why is it that these so called "free-thinkers" (try saying that with a lisp)
>with?
>
>house.....when you feel like being alone.
>
was correcting a deliberate misquote on your part. You'll notice that
I didn't attack all theists in my comment to you. Why do you attack
all freethinkers in your personal comment to me? Pot kettle black
>Michelle Malkin wrote:
>
>> "K.A. Brooks" <des...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Michelle Malkin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Most theists are simply unable to conceive of something so odious to
>> >> their mindset as individuality. The fact that most atheists refuse to
>> >> be a part of any group is simply beyond them. And the fact that
>> >> atheists who do join some kind of group still remain individuals just
>> >> boggles their mind. Theists are of the sheepflock mentality - you
>> >> belong to their religion and you do and believe as you are told. This
>> >> will never happen with atheists, and theists just are incapable of
>> >> understanding this. In fact, it scares the hell out of them. They need
>> >> to think that they understand us, so that they can condemn us for what
>> >> they fear to understand.
>> >
>> >Are you saying that you know all atheist and all theist?
>> >Dose it scare the hell out of you that you are incapable of understanding
>> >anything other then what you think?
>> >Sounds pretty closed minded to me.
>> >Gives a whole new meaning to free thinking, maybe you should call it
>> >closed thinking or Michelle Malkin thinking instead.
>>
>> Did you notice the very first word of my above paragraph? The word is
>> 'most', not 'all'. Now, go to bed like a good boy. First thing
>> tomorrow morning, you have to consider learning how to read.
>
>
Michelle Malkin
This wasn't the complete message, of course. I accidentally hit the
send button too soon. I answered this message completely in another
message.
Michelle Malkin
>> please), was speaking only for herself, not for all the members of
>> American Atheists. If you are so dense as to not understand this, then
>> you are a fool and a trouble-maker. I'm sure that there are gay
>> members of AA who also think that you are merely trying to kick up a
>> fuss. And, please stop repeatedly posting the same articles in
>> alt.atheism. If you really are an atheist, you are doing your damndest
>> to aggravate other atheists by doing this.
>>
>> other articles snipped
>
>This is not the same Robert Nordlander. This is a fraudulent fundy
>trying to "poke a stick in the beehive" as it were, and see what
>happens.
Is he posting from a different e-mail address. Nordlander has posted
some pretty bigoted articles in aa.
Michelle Malkin
>On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:09:43 GMT, hyp...@B5B7STSW.com (Michelle
>Malkin) wrote:
>
>>
>>please), was speaking only for herself, not for all the members of
>>American Atheists. If you are so dense as to not understand this, then
>>you are a fool and a trouble-maker. I'm sure that there are gay
>>members of AA who also think that you are merely trying to kick up a
>>fuss. And, please stop repeatedly posting the same articles in
>>alt.atheism. If you really are an atheist, you are doing your damndest
>>to aggravate other atheists by doing this.
>
>moderately aggravated most of time he is lying down on the job.
>
>As for "proof," or some further citations in the matter, I too would
>like to see them -- Odd as she clearly was, the sort of hate-speech
>in the remarks cited seems out of character.
>
>
>
Definitely. All anyone has to do is read her books to see that. I'm
starting to wonder if that other Texas atheist group actually exists
or if the guy sending the posts and e-mails is a troll.
robe...@hotmail.com
I did cite the source of the quotation in my original
posting - pp. 31-32 of the Jon Rappaort book available
from TRUTH SEEKER, Inc. of San Diego, California.
Another citation can be found on page 11 of THE ATHEIST CULT
by Fred Woodworth P.O. Box 3488 - Tucson, AZ 85722
Woodworth's 36 page essay, published in 1991, shows "how
Madalyn O'Hair's AMERICAN ATHEISTS organization actually
functions using abuse, intimidation, sycophancy and extreme
authoritarianism. An account by a long-time Atheist activist
who relates his own experiences with, and observations of,
this dangerous repression masquerading as progressivism"*
*Quotation from cover.
Fred Woodworth is is publisher of THE MATCH.
------------------------------------------------
Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
robe...@hotmail.com,
no...@powernetonline.com
August 6, 1998
-----------------------------------------------------
In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.98080...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> Ward said, concerning M.M. O'Hair:
>
> "
> My suspicion in the matter is that unless an atheist is at least
> moderately aggravated most of time he is lying down on the job.
>
> As for "proof," or some further citations in the matter, I too would
> like to see them -- Odd as she clearly was, the sort of hate-speech
> in the remarks cited seems out of character."
>
> I also would like to see citations.
>
> Carol Smith
>
> "Among the detestable villains that in any period of the world have
> disgraced the name of man, it is impossible to find a greater than
> Moses, if this account [Num.31:13-18] be true. Here is an order to
> butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and debauch the daughters."
> -Thomas Paine THE AGE OF REASON
>
>
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
robe...@hotmail.com
I would appreciate knowing what allegedly bigoted
articles I have posted to aa.
Robert E. Nordlander
no...@powernetonline.com,
robe...@hotmail.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
In article <35d331e8...@news.mindspring.com>,
> >> Madalyn Murray O'Hare, if she even ever made this comment (proof,
> >> please), was speaking only for herself, not for all the members of
> >> American Atheists. If you are so dense as to not understand this, then
> >> you are a fool and a trouble-maker. I'm sure that there are gay
> >> members of AA who also think that you are merely trying to kick up a
> >> fuss. And, please stop repeatedly posting the same articles in
> >> alt.atheism. If you really are an atheist, you are doing your damndest
> >> to aggravate other atheists by doing this.
> >>
> >> other articles snipped
> >
> >This is not the same Robert Nordlander. This is a fraudulent fundy
> >trying to "poke a stick in the beehive" as it were, and see what
> >happens.
>
> Is he posting from a different e-mail address. Nordlander has posted
> some pretty bigoted articles in aa.
>
> Mickey (Michelle Malkin) BAAWA
>
> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
^^ ^^
> High Priestess Bastet of the Non-Church Temple of Si & Am
> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
^^ ^^
> Atheism is as much a religion as bald is a hairstyle
> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
^^ ^^
> e-mail in reverse to:moc.gnirpsdnim@7bniklam
>
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
Fish
cited author.]
Michelle Malkin posted the following to alt.atheism:
> robe...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >August 6, 1998
> >
> >I did cite the source of the quotation in my original
> >posting - pp. 31-32 of the Jon Rappaort book available
> >from TRUTH SEEKER, Inc. of San Diego, California.
>
> Would Truth Seeker happen to be a theist organization by any chance?
No, it's an atheist organization. But one which on July 14, 1988
unjustly sued every American Atheist corporation and all three of the
Murray-O'Hair family, charging them with counts involving mail fraud and
wire fraud under the destructive (civil) RICO statutes, as well as
trademark infringement.
American Atheists did eventually prevail (when on December 1, the U. S.
Supreme Court issued an order of refusal to grant a writ of certiorari
to the Truth Seeker Company in the case of Truth Seeker Company, Inc., v
John G. Jackson, et al.), but only after suffering from ten years of
harassment by Laurence A. True (an Episcopalian, (died May, 1996) member
of the board of trustees of his church in San Diego, California) and Roy
Withers, True's attorney.
Check your December 1997 (Vol 36, No. 12) issue of American Atheist
Newsletter for a quite thorough and revealing telling of the story. A
real nightmare, but one with a happy ending.
I have the complete acount in text form and can email it to you if you'd
like. It's quite interesting reading and after reading it you'll
understand the "bad blood" between American Atheists and the Truth
Seeker Company, producer of the oldest continuously published
"freethought" newspaper (later magazine) in the world (having been
around for over 116 years).
--
Michelle Malkin
>August 6, 1998
>
>I did cite the source of the quotation in my original
>posting - pp. 31-32 of the Jon Rappaort book available
>from TRUTH SEEKER, Inc. of San Diego, California.
Would Truth Seeker happen to be a theist organization by any chance?
>
>Another citation can be found on page 11 of THE ATHEIST CULT
>by Fred Woodworth P.O. Box 3488 - Tucson, AZ 85722
The atheist cult? That sounds suspicious already. Suspiciously like it
was written by a theist.
Michelle Malkin
>articles I have posted to aa.
>
Paul J. Koeck
I suspect I am mistaken. I was taken aback by his use of "Atheist Movement",
grammatical errors, misspellings, constant changing of email addresses, etc.
He made all the stereotypical fundy invader mistakes.
I will be watching for patterns. I'm still unsure, but given what I've learned
of the bad blood some groups have for others, perhaps I'm wrong in this case.
I think sometimes I can "jump at shadows." Maybe this is one of those times,
and Mr. Nordlander really is as vindictive and petty as these posts suggest.
Paul J. Koeck
I am withdrawing my accusation. This poster is the real Nordlander.
My apologies. However, the rest stands. He is a troll. He exhibits
the behavior of a fundy invader. He is just an atheist one.
Too bad.
Michelle Malkin
snip
>> You, sir, are a troll. An obvious one. You make the classic fundy
>> mistakes in spelling, punctuation, etc. You refer to some kind of
>> "Atheist Movement", which doesn't exist.
>>
>> You are a fundy troll who is attempting to cause trouble by assuming
>> the cload of a well-known atheist poster, who BTW NEVER responds to
>> replies to his posts. He is also considered a troll, but he wouldn't
>> make your mistakes. Your biggest, of course, was in responding.
>> He wouldn't have.
>>
>> Knock it off, fuckwad! We don't need your shit here. Go eat it
>> someplace else, amongst people who are used to it - try one of
>> the xian newsgroups, I'm sure they'll love your stench.
>>
>> Stop responding people, he's a fake.
>> --
>>
>> Paul J. Koeck, #360
>
>I am withdrawing my accusation. This poster is the real Nordlander.
>My apologies. However, the rest stands. He is a troll. He exhibits
>the behavior of a fundy invader. He is just an atheist one.
>
>Too bad.
That's why he is #88 on the twit list. He's been exhibiting similar
behavior all along by posting unasked for articles to both atheist and
theist newsgroups. And, in spite of several requests for him to stop doing
this from aa alone (and probably the theist groups, too), he has ignored
all such requests. He was always egotistical and rude. Now, we can probably
add liar to that list.
Mickey (Michelle Malkin) BAAWA
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
High Priestess Bastet of the Non-Church Temple of Si & Am
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
...it is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful
to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing or in disbelieving;
it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.
-- Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Paul J. Koeck
> >> mistakes in spelling, punctuation, etc. You refer to some kind of
> >> "Atheist Movement", which doesn't exist.
> >>
> >> You are a fundy troll who is attempting to cause trouble by assuming
> >> the cload of a well-known atheist poster, who BTW NEVER responds to
> >> replies to his posts. He is also considered a troll, but he wouldn't
> >> make your mistakes. Your biggest, of course, was in responding.
> >> He wouldn't have.
> >>
> >> Knock it off, fuckwad! We don't need your shit here. Go eat it
> >> someplace else, amongst people who are used to it - try one of
> >> the xian newsgroups, I'm sure they'll love your stench.
> >>
> >> Stop responding people, he's a fake.
> >> --
> >>
> >> Paul J. Koeck, #360
> >
> >My apologies. However, the rest stands. He is a troll. He exhibits
> >the behavior of a fundy invader. He is just an atheist one.
> >
> >Too bad.
>
> behavior all along by posting unasked for articles to both atheist and
> theist newsgroups. And, in spite of several requests for him to stop doing
> this from aa alone (and probably the theist groups, too), he has ignored
> all such requests. He was always egotistical and rude. Now, we can probably
> add liar to that list.
>
>
>
> Mickey (Michelle Malkin) BAAWA
>
> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
> High Priestess Bastet of the Non-Church Temple of Si & Am
> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
> ...it is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful
> to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing or in disbelieving;
> it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.
> -- Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason
> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
> e-mail in reverse to:moc.gnirpsdnim@7bniklam
He certainly seems to have a huge stick up his ass about O' Hair and
seems to practically worship Ingersoll. Has he perhaps traded his
supernaturalism for a more earthly yet still quite powerful religion?
He might be a good example of a "religious atheist."
Jeff Wilson
I ran into a friend today on Haight Street, and he brought up
Ms. O'Hair. He was under the impression that she had
absconded with a bunch of money. He had not heard of the
grimly inauspicious uneaten breakfast (which I heard of for the
first time in this thread myself), or of the untouched bank
accounts, or the fact that the thief who stole what money was
stolen had been caught and jailed (another thing I learned here).
Apparently the religiously-biased establishment is doing a good
job of spreading distortion about this story.
Please remove the capital X's from my e-mail address.
They are meant to thwart unsolicited commercial mail.
Michelle Malkin
>Michelle Malkin wrote:
>>
>> "Paul J. Koeck" <PKo...@Byte.Me.Com> wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> >> > >
>> >> mistakes in spelling, punctuation, etc. You refer to some kind of
>> >> "Atheist Movement", which doesn't exist.
>> >>
>> >> You are a fundy troll who is attempting to cause trouble by assuming
>> >> the cload of a well-known atheist poster, who BTW NEVER responds to
>> >> replies to his posts. He is also considered a troll, but he wouldn't
>> >> make your mistakes. Your biggest, of course, was in responding.
>> >> He wouldn't have.
>> >>
>> >> Knock it off, fuckwad! We don't need your shit here. Go eat it
>> >> someplace else, amongst people who are used to it - try one of
>> >> the xian newsgroups, I'm sure they'll love your stench.
>> >>
>> >> Stop responding people, he's a fake.
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Paul J. Koeck, #360
>> >
>> >My apologies. However, the rest stands. He is a troll. He exhibits
>> >the behavior of a fundy invader. He is just an atheist one.
>> >
>> >Too bad.
>>
>> behavior all along by posting unasked for articles to both atheist and
>> theist newsgroups. And, in spite of several requests for him to stop doing
>> this from aa alone (and probably the theist groups, too), he has ignored
>> all such requests. He was always egotistical and rude. Now, we can probably
>> add liar to that list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mickey (Michelle Malkin) BAAWA
>>
>> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
>> High Priestess Bastet of the Non-Church Temple of Si & Am
>> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
>> ...it is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful
>> to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing or in disbelieving;
>> it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.
>> -- Thomas Paine - The Age of Reason
>> ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
>> e-mail in reverse to:moc.gnirpsdnim@7bniklam
>
>He certainly seems to have a huge stick up his ass about O' Hair and
>seems to practically worship Ingersoll. Has he perhaps traded his
>supernaturalism for a more earthly yet still quite powerful religion?
>
>He might be a good example of a "religious atheist."
Could very well be, and I doubt that Ingersoll would have wanted the
'worship' of such a person. I'm seriously considering killfiling him. He
doesn't reply, he simply asserts.
Gully Foyle
>
>Do you feel like being alone on a regular basis? I thought christians
>claim that god is omnipresent? Talk about big brother! ;)
>
It must be so nice to feel the warmth of god's presence as he urinates
down the back of ones neck, from a great height I might add and
metaphysically speaking of course.
XXIII
_________________________________________________________________
To email me remove the Z after the @ in my email address.
_________________________________________________________________
IDIOT, n.
A member of a large and powerful tribe whose
influence in human affairs has always been dominant
and controlling. The Idiot's activity is not confined to
any special field of thought or action, but "pervades
and regulates the whole." He has the last word in
everything; his decision is unappealable. He sets the
fashions and opinion of taste, dictates the limitations
of speech and circumscribes conduct with a
dead-line.
Ambrose Bierce
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Gully Foyle
>August 4, 1998
>
>The kind of vulgar response dispatched from Finland
>certainly will not add to public respect for atheists
>and might diminish the high regard which the world
>has for the people of Finland.
>
The Finns are counterfeit Hungarians, as for atheists having public
respect - I didn't think they had any from theists to begin with.
>It should be noted that that American Atheists has
>enabled the O'Hairs to establish overseas bank accounts
>worth - according to some estimates - at least $20 million.
>An organization of only 20 people could hardly be bilked
>of that amount.
>
>Read the Rappaport book for the truth about the O'Hairs
>and their atheist scam, a scam conducted in the finest
>tradition of Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.
>
And what's your point? That atheists can be duped as well? I'll buy
that.
Gully Foyle
>August 5, 1998
>
>Your response is worthy of a Bible-thumper!
>
My pig needs sheering.
Oldguyteck
Gully Foyle <four...@Zcryogen.com> wrote in article
<35d24daa...@news.techno.net.au>...
> On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:39:33 GMT, robe...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >August 5, 1998
> >
> >Your response is worthy of a Bible-thumper!
> >
>
> My pig needs sheering.
>
Well ! What are you waiting for !
Ed.............(Oldguyteck) †
Ezekiel Krahlin
<matm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>However, in my experience homophobia is not common among atheists.
You have your atheist fanatics, as well as Christian and Muslim.
Atheism is a world view, as is Christianity. It is indeed another
"ism", no less liable to corruption and dogma, than any other. In that
sense, atheism is another religion, in that it is another "ism", that
is, world view.
I have met numerous atheists who are quite homophobic. You only need
to look at two super powers to see that homophbia is not absent from
atheism: the former USSR, and China. These are both atheist nations,
yet are just as homophobic as the worst Christian sects.
Atheism ipso facto, is not free of gay-hatred.
A perfect example of this is an outspoken lesbian and (yuck)
libertarian critic, Camille Paglia, who, though claims to be atheist,
is more like a mouthpiece for the religious right. She is very
homophobic. Read this witch's poisonous pen at your own risk:
http://www.salonmagazine.com/col/pagl/
---
Let's secede from those who breed,
Make it sin to *not waste seed!
GodHates...@HetBeGone.com
---
My website kicks (but never licks) butt!
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
maff91
Krahlin) wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 05:51:58 GMT, Matt Allan Miller
><matm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>However, in my experience homophobia is not common among atheists.
>
>You have your atheist fanatics, as well as Christian and Muslim.
An individual maybe.
>Atheism is a world view, as is Christianity. It is indeed another
What world view is that? Atheism is merely lack of theism.
>"ism", no less liable to corruption and dogma, than any other. In that
>sense, atheism is another religion, in that it is another "ism", that
You still haven't proved that atheism is a religion or world view.
It's like saying baldness is another type of hairstyle.
>is, world view.
>
>I have met numerous atheists who are quite homophobic. You only need
Some atheists maybe. But it is apart from atheism and not because of
it.
>to look at two super powers to see that homophbia is not absent from
>atheism: the former USSR, and China. These are both atheist nations,
I thought they were Communist nations. They persecuted anyone who
threatened their position regardless of whether they were atheists or
religionists.
I would have fought the Communists because they believe in
totalitarianism just like organized religion.
>yet are just as homophobic as the worst Christian sects.
>
>Atheism ipso facto, is not free of gay-hatred.
Nope.
>
>A perfect example of this is an outspoken lesbian and (yuck)
>libertarian critic, Camille Paglia, who, though claims to be atheist,
One atheist is not all atheists. There is no atheist Bible. Each
atheist makes up their mind on various issues differently according to
their political, economic and or social philosophy.
>is more like a mouthpiece for the religious right. She is very
>homophobic. Read this witch's poisonous pen at your own risk:
>
> http://www.salonmagazine.com/col/pagl/
So what? She's one individual. She doesn't represent all atheists.
>
>
>---
>Let's secede from those who breed,
>Make it sin to *not waste seed!
>GodHates...@HetBeGone.com
>---
>My website kicks (but never licks) butt!
>http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
"The evils of Communism are the same as those that existed in
Christianity during the Ages Of Faith. The OGPU differs only
quantitatively from the Inquisition. Its cruelties are of the same
sort, and the damage that it does to the intellectual and moral life
of Russians is of the same sort as that which was done by the
Inquisitors wherever they prevailed. The Communists falsify history,
and the church did the same until the Renaissance. If the Church is
not now as bad as the Soviet government, that is due to the
influence of those who attacked the church; from the Council of Trent
until the present day, whatever improvements it has effected have
been due to its enemies."
[Bertrand Russell, "Can Religion Cure Our Troubles?",
1954; published in a Swedish newspaper during the
height of Sen. Joe McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria]
"The Communist, like the Christian, believes that his doctrine is
essential to salvation, and it is this belief which makes salvation
possible for him. It is the similarities between Christianity and
Communism that make them incompatible with each other."
[Bertrand Russell, "Can Religion Cure Our Troubles?",
1954; published in a Swedish newspaper during the
height of Sen. Joe McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria]
"The most dangerous features of Communism are reminiscent of the
medieval Church. They consist of fanatical acceptance of doctrines
embodied in a sacred book, unwillingness to examine these doctrines
critically, and savage persecution of those who reject them."
[Bertrand Russell, "Can Religion Cure Our Troubles?",
1954; published in a Swedish newspaper during the
height of Sen. Joe McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria]
bru...@hotmail.com
You are right. Most Atheists are NOT homophobic.
Atheism is simply a denial of belief in a god. It has
nothing to do with ethics, politics, morality or anything
else not related to the "god" question.
Unfortunately, Madalyn Murray O'Hair had been perceived
as the guru of ALL Atheists therefire her homophobia
could be perceived as representative of the Atheists
of the U.S.A., if not her cult, American Atheists.
Your remarks on Camille Paglia were interesting.
If she is a lesbian - how could she be homophobic -
or does she just hate male homosexuals?
Robert E. Nordlander bru...@hotmail.com,
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In article <35d7e6c0...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>,
ezek...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 05:51:58 GMT, Matt Allan Miller
> <matm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >However, in my experience homophobia is not common among atheists.
>
> You have your atheist fanatics, as well as Christian and Muslim.
> Atheism is a world view, as is Christianity. It is indeed another
> "ism", no less liable to corruption and dogma, than any other. In that
> sense, atheism is another religion, in that it is another "ism", that
> is, world view.
>
> I have met numerous atheists who are quite homophobic. You only need
> to look at two super powers to see that homophbia is not absent from
> atheism: the former USSR, and China. These are both atheist nations,
> yet are just as homophobic as the worst Christian sects.
>
> Atheism ipso facto, is not free of gay-hatred.
>
> A perfect example of this is an outspoken lesbian and (yuck)
> libertarian critic, Camille Paglia, who, though claims to be atheist,
> is more like a mouthpiece for the religious right. She is very
> homophobic. Read this witch's poisonous pen at your own risk:
>
> http://www.salonmagazine.com/col/pagl/
>
> ---
> Let's secede from those who breed,
> Make it sin to *not waste seed!
> GodHates...@HetBeGone.com
> ---
> My website kicks (but never licks) butt!
> http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
>
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Wayne Aiken
: Unfortunately, Madalyn Murray O'Hair had been perceived
: as the guru of ALL Atheists therefire her homophobia
: could be perceived as representative of the Atheists
: of the U.S.A., if not her cult, American Atheists.
Oh, you mean the same American Atheists that had an outspoken gay as its
vice-president for several years; and even had an official sub-group,
"American Gay Atheists" under its umbrella?
Yep, that sure looks like homophobia to me.
--
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buono...@my-dejanews.com
Does this "outspoken gay" have a name?
Did he ever confront Madame O'Hair about the
following:
The following memorandum* of Madalyn Murray O'
Hair shows that at least part of the Atheist community
is not immune from this bigotry.
The memorandum - dated May 20, 1976 - was addressed
to New York journalist John Lauritsen in response to his
protest against her homophobic remarks made to a
convention of one of her oganizations, the Society of
Separationists. The memorandum follows:
"The California Chapter of Society of Separationists, Inc.,
Has sent me a zerox [sic] copy of your letter dated May
Day, 1976.
"I would expect this kind of literature to issue from a miso-
gomist [sic]. I am a female head of a American Atheist
group. You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck.
"Also, we are not Marxists as you are.
"Form your own group of cock-sucking Atheist Marxists
and be happy, kiddo, but don't count me as an ally.
"SOCIETY OF SEPARATIONISTS, Inc.
"Madalyn Murray O'Hair, President"
Robert E. Nordlander
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Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
To: alt.atheism, alt.politics.homosexuality, milw.general, wi.general
August 22, 1998
In article <6rn4dn$sc7$1...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
Michael Koch
>
> bru...@hotmail.com wrote:
> : Unfortunately, Madalyn Murray O'Hair had been perceived
> : as the guru of ALL Atheists therefire her homophobia
> : could be perceived as representative of the Atheists
> : of the U.S.A., if not her cult, American Atheists.
>
> Oh, you mean the same American Atheists that had an outspoken gay as its
> vice-president for several years; and even had an official sub-group,
> "American Gay Atheists" under its umbrella?
Why is there a such a sub-group?
Michelle Malkin
>August 22, 1998
>
>Does this "outspoken gay" have a name?
>
>Did he ever confront Madame O'Hair about the
>
>The following memorandum* of Madalyn Murray O'
>Hair shows that at least part of the Atheist community
>is not immune from this bigotry.
>
>The memorandum - dated May 20, 1976 - was addressed
>to New York journalist John Lauritsen in response to his
<<PLONK!!!>>
Michelle Malkin
It was probably formed by gays who wanted to have their own group and be
associated with the main group. Doesn't this gay group exist anymore or did
they just join the main group?
Wayne Aiken
You obviously know nothing about the history of American Atheists.
That, however, doesn't seem to stop you from making any number of
assumptions about it based on a single out-of-context document-- from
what source? I don't recall you mentioning that...
FYI his name was Don Sanders, from Houston Texas.
: The memorandum - dated May 20, 1976 - was addressed
: to New York journalist John Lauritsen in response to his
: protest against her homophobic remarks made to a
: convention of one of her oganizations, the Society of
: Separationists. The memorandum follows:
And what, specifically, were those *original* homophobic remarks about which
this person was complaining? And what exactly was the content of this
protest letter?
Unless you can explain it all in context, why are you necessarily
interpreting this as a blanket condemnation of all gays, instead of
possibly a disrespectful reply to this individual? And, particularly
in light of direct evidence that American Atheists as an organization
was the direct *antithesis* of a "homophobic" group?
Wayne Aiken
: >> vice-president for several years; and even had an official sub-group,
: >> "American Gay Atheists" under its umbrella?
: >Why is there a such a sub-group?
: It was probably formed by gays who wanted to have their own group and be
: associated with the main group. Doesn't this gay group exist anymore or did
: they just join the main group?
It doesn't exist anymore, but a similar sub-group might pick up at some
point if someone wants to. As I understand it, it was a group dealing
primarily with gay issues, as they are particularly and specifically
targetted by many religious groups. There's also a veterans sub-group.
Michelle Malkin
>Michelle Malkin (hyp...@B5B7STSW.com) wrote:
>: Michael Koch <mk...@mw.mediaone.net> wrote:
>: >Wayne Aiken wrote:
>: >> Oh, you mean the same American Atheists that had an outspoken gay as its
>: >> vice-president for several years; and even had an official sub-group,
>: >> "American Gay Atheists" under its umbrella?
>: >Why is there a such a sub-group?
>: It was probably formed by gays who wanted to have their own group and be
>: associated with the main group. Doesn't this gay group exist anymore or did
>: they just join the main group?
>
>It doesn't exist anymore, but a similar sub-group might pick up at some
>point if someone wants to. As I understand it, it was a group dealing
>primarily with gay issues, as they are particularly and specifically
>targetted by many religious groups. There's also a veterans sub-group.
Sounds fine to me. Why shouldn't such a group as AA have sub-groups for
specific interests? I know that you aren't saying anything against this,
just asking the question for the benefit of those who would use this
against them.
buono...@hotmail.com
The source for the following is:
MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR: THE AMAZING
DISAPPEARANCE AND POSSIBLE MURDER OF THE
O'HAIR FAMILY, by Jon Rappaport. pp. 31-32. [Available
from Truth Seeker Co., Inc. 16935 W. Bernardo Drive, # 103,
Rancho Bernardo, CA 92127.
Another source is THE ATHEIST CULT, by Fred Woodworth,
p. 11
The following memorandum of Madalyn Murray O'
Hair shows that at least part of the Atheist community
is not immune from this bigotry.
The memorandum - dated May 20, 1976 - was addressed
to New York journalist John Lauritsen in response to his
protest against her homophobic remarks made to a
convention of one of her oganizations, the Society of
Separationists. The memorandum follows:
"The California Chapter of Society of Separationists, Inc.,
Has sent me a zerox [sic] copy of your letter dated May
Day, 1976.
"I would expect this kind of literature to issue from a miso-
gomist [sic]. I am a female head of a American Atheist
group. You are a cocksucker. You like men and boys. You
don't like women. We don't have cocks for you to suck.
"Also, we are not Marxists as you are.
"Form your own group of cock-sucking Atheist Marxists
and be happy, kiddo, but don't count me as an ally.
"SOCIETY OF SEPARATIONISTS, Inc.
"Madalyn Murray O'Hair, President"
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Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
buono...@hotmail.com
To: alt.athesim, wi.general, milw.general, alt.politics.homosexuality
August 24, 1998
In article <6rqsgd$ri4$2...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
ai...@unity.ncsu.edu (Wayne Aiken) wrote:
> buono...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : August 22, 1998
> :
> : Does this "outspoken gay" have a name?
>
> You obviously know nothing about the history of American Atheists.
> That, however, doesn't seem to stop you from making any number of
> assumptions about it based on a single out-of-context document-- from
> what source? I don't recall you mentioning that...
>
> FYI his name was Don Sanders, from Houston Texas.
>
> : The memorandum - dated May 20, 1976 - was addressed
> : to New York journalist John Lauritsen in response to his
> : protest against her homophobic remarks made to a
> : convention of one of her oganizations, the Society of
> : Separationists. The memorandum follows:
>
> And what, specifically, were those *original* homophobic remarks about which
> this person was complaining? And what exactly was the content of this
> protest letter?
>
> Unless you can explain it all in context, why are you necessarily
> interpreting this as a blanket condemnation of all gays, instead of
> possibly a disrespectful reply to this individual? And, particularly
> in light of direct evidence that American Atheists as an organization
> was the direct *antithesis* of a "homophobic" group?
>
> --
>
> Holy Temple of Mass $ sl...@ncsu.edu atheist#304 $ "My used underwear
> Consumption! $ http://www4.ncsu.edu/~aiken/ $ is legal tender in
> PO Box 30904 $ Warning: I hoard pennies $ 28 countries!"
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>
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