Gays Bareback to Death: Erotic Thrill of Communion w/AIDS Virus
GHalleck
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EROTIC THRILL of COMMUNION w/AIDS Virus, new dangerous trend and
obvious work of evil. BAREBACK to DEATH below my brief comments.
This is a very important post to read showing a form of
terrorism that is not being considered. It is graphic and for
mature adults only. Consider the implications of HIV infected
people in power over those who are not, or who are against
faggotry in general.
Folks I would have to say evil forces are at work here. Also
guess what, Matthew Sheppard, the homosexual that was tragically
beaten to death recently, we now discover had been raped earlier
in life, which is probablly WHY he became a faggot, NOT because
he was born that way. Surprise Surprise. Tragic because he was
NOT born homosexual, but became homsexual after not being able
to heal from being raped as a child. This is how faggots
reproduce, by the way, and you thought they could not.
Also be sure to check out the PINK SWASTIKA
http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/pinkswastika/
This book is online in its entirety and written in part by a
brave and honest Kevin Abrams and Scott Lively.
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BAREBACK to DEATH
SF CHRONICLE
FEB, 1999
In a Castro district apartment house, an $8 admission
fee promises a night of communal gay sex. The only
rules: no clothes, no condoms, no discussion of HIV.
Two decades into an epidemic that has taken the lives
of nearly 18,000 San Franciscans, a new homosexual
subculture is emerging: Healthy men are seeking
unprotected sex with HIV-infected men, for the erotic
thrill of communion with the deadly AIDS virus.
For years, AIDS experts have been concerned about the
growth of a practice known as ``barebacking,'' where
condoms are abandoned, usually based on assumptions
that partners are both HIV positive or both negative.
Now a fringe element, linked by the Internet, is
taking it even further. Web sites are offering lists
of ``extreme sex'' party sites where the prospect of
becoming infected or of infecting others is part of
the erotic allure.
At a ``Russian roulette party'' set for next month in
Houston, a posting seeks three healthy men to have
sex with five other men. Four of those must be HIV
negative, but the fifth is already infected with the
AIDS virus.
Only a tiny fraction of gay men are believed
to frequent such venues. Even so, many veteran AIDS
activists, who championed the ``safer sex'' ethic
that has checked the spread of the AIDS virus since
the mid-1980s, are disturbed by the trend.
``More than anger, I find it heartbreaking and
tragic,'' said Daniel Zingale, executive director of
AIDS Action of Washington, D.C., the nation's most
powerful AIDS lobby.
New research from San Francisco confirms that an
increasing number of gay men are having sex with
multiple partners, and without the protection of
condoms.
Yesterday, the federal Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention reported that among men who have anal
sex with other men, the portion of men who did so
without condoms rose to 39 percent in 1997, from 30
percent in 1994. Rates of sex with more than one
partner also rose, and of those engaged in the
riskiest practices, 68 percent did not know whether
their partner was infected with the AIDS virus.
``Groups of men engaging in high-risk sex with
multiple partners, that is the kind of behavior that
caused the epidemic to explode,'' said Robert Perez
of the Stop AIDS Project in San Francisco.
The practice of barebacking has been fiercely debated
in the gay community for several years. But nothing
is creating quite the stir as the lastest issue of
POZ, a glossy monthly magazine brimming with ads for
AIDS drugs, featuring a sympathetic portrayal of the
barebacking phenomenon.
The cover features a handsome gay model, Tony
Valenzuela, resting naked atop a black stallion.
While the story describes the plight of Valenzuela as
an outcast in the San Diego gay community for
publicly advocating barebacking, the photos and
graphic images portray a glamorous, sexy new icon.
``The cover photo definitely turns him into a sex
object. I understand people's criticisms,'' said POZ
editor-in-chief Walter Armstrong. ``We wanted to
provoke people. We're willing to take the heat for
that.''
But AIDS Action's Zingale finds this ``bareback
chic'' appalling. ``Anything that glamorizes putting
your own health at risk is irresponsible and
threatens to unravel all our progress,'' he said.
POZ, which has a modest national circulation of
130,000 is not just trying to sell magazines, said
Armstrong. ``It's not that we wanted to defend
barebacking,'' he said. ``We wanted to try to give a
fair, and considered, and nonjudgmental analysis of
why this is taking place. . . . We want to see less
condemnation of it as a behavior, and more discussion
about why gay men are wanting to stop using condoms.''
The subculture of barebacking is explored in depth in
a second POZ article ``A Ride on the Wild Side,'' by
San Francisco free-lance journalist Michael Scarce.
It uncritically explores the methods and motives of
men who have rejected condoms and are having
unprotected sex in organized venues. It includes a
visit to the Castro ``Bareback House'' and an account
of what goes on inside.
Scarce, 28 years old and HIV-negative, describes a
subculture of gay men who eroticize risky sexual
practices, and in some cases, are embracing the
prospect of becoming infected.
Across a network of Web sites, gay men from Wichita
to Rotterdam advertise group sex parties for
barebacking men. Using street parlance, the Web sites
describe the act of seeking HIV (``bug chasing''), or
seeking to infect willing partners with the virus
(``giving the gift'').
Scarce, who has investigated the Internet phenomenon
and is writing a book about it, said he has
interviewed numerous ``inoculation party''
participants. The parties, he said, are not an
Internet hoax or a fantasy played out only on screen.
But he concedes, ``We are talking about a very small
minority of the barebacking subculture.''
A former HIV prevention worker who now works at a
resource center for gays and lesbian students at the
University of California at San Francisco, Scarce
said gay men need to recognize the appeal of
unprotected sex in order to come to terms with it.
``We have to stop kidding ourselves that safer sex is
hotter sex. It's just not. There is a particular
appeal to barebacking because it is sexier. It is
hotter,'' said Scarce in a recent interview.
``It amazes and impresses me that gay men value their
sexuality, and that they find such meaning in it that
they are willing to take certain kinds of risks,'' he
said. ``That is an important and beautiful thing,
although it can have harmful and damaging
consequences.''
To Tom Coates, the director of the UCSF AIDS Research
Institute, the implications of such thinking are
saddening. The POZ article, he said, may ``legitimize
barebacking'' and help break down the behavior
changes that have protected San Francisco's gay
community from the rampant spread of the virus.
``I am surprised at POZ not only for sensationalizing
the movement, but for not presenting a balanced view.
Nowhere did I see the word `responsibility.' As an
HIV-infected man myself, I take that responsibility
very seriously,'' said Coates.
Scarce dismisses the highly respected AIDS expert as
part of an ``old guard'' whose vision of HIV
prevention is grounded in the experience of Baby
Boomers devastated by the epidemic.
This vision of a generation gap within the gay
community permeates much of the discussion of
barebacking and the shift to riskier sexual
practices. Surveys show younger gay men are more
likely than their older peers to engage in
unprotected sex.
To younger gay men such as Scarce, AIDS has become
interwoven as part of gay identity. ``AIDS and gay
culture are permanently tethered to one another, and
not necessarily in a bad way,'' he said.
Such talk, in the view of some veteran AIDS
activists, dishonors the dead, and makes not only for
bad public health policy, but disastrous gay politics.
``How sympathetic will be the public, which has
coughed up a lot of money for services and research,
if we don't have responsibility?'' said Coates.
Rene Durazzo, program director for the San Francisco
AIDS Foundation, said the POZ article provides a
service in bringing discussions about barebacking
into the open. ``We have to be challenged how to
understand the complex nature of that issue,'' he
said. ``We need to give men opportunities to talk
about it and make their own decisions.''
The long history of AIDS in San Francisco, he
suggested, shows that the city's gay community has
acted responsibly and will continue to do so.
``In this city,'' Durazzo said, ``men have made good
choices around HIV and their sexual lives. They are
making complex decisions how to stay safe. If they
were making bad choices, we would see an enormously
escalating epidemic.''
--End
GHalleck
J. Northwood
wrote:
>TODAY's COMMUNIQUE By Authority of Ephesians 5:11, Mark 12:38
>. . . faggotry in general.
>
>. . . WHY he became a faggot, NOT because
>
>. . . This is how faggots reproduce
>
>. . . check out the PINK SWASTIKA
>
>. . . brave and honest Kevin Abrams and Scott Lively
Oh, goody, the Topeka Thumpers and their Sanctimonious Supporters are
at it again.
Well-done rebuttal for the lies promulgated by Abrams and Lively:
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Village/1360/index.htm
(or)
http://www.glinn.com/pink/
A different rebuttal:
J. Northwood
(<GHal...@inreach.com>) wrote:
Still lying, eh?
Ah, well, the first set of URLs is still valid.
L. Michael Roberts
> or who are against faggotry in general.
Well we need read no further to know that this is a crock!
<balance donated to the SOB fund>
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Burlington, Ont, Canada To reply, remove 'SpamSux' from my E-ddress
"Life is a sexualy transmitted, terminal, condition"
+==================================================================+
The Lurker
wrote:
>TODAY's COMMUNIQUE By Authority of Ephesians 5:11, Mark 12:38
>------------------
>
<snip>
There are 625 unique messages by "GHalleck" <GHal...@inreach.com>:
(numbers may be slightly skewed by cross-postings)
Number of Messages Forum
403 alt.law-enforcement
27 alt.philosophy.taoism
26 alt.thebird.hippie
26 rec.autos.driving
22 alt.thebird.copwatch
13 alt.government.abuse
11 alt.current-events.usa
10 alt.politics.clinton
8 alt.drugs.pot
6 alt.prisons
6 misc.survivalism
OINKING TROLL
Ward Stewart
<News...@SpamSux.laserfx.com> wrote:
>GHalleck wrote:
>
>> or who are against faggotry in general.
>
> Well we need read no further to know that this is a crock!
>
><balance donated to the SOB fund>
>
It is an astonishment to read one of these posts -- it is as if one
started a discussion of racism with a reference to "niggers and
kikes." That these low Kreeps should show their cards on the occasion
of their first post is weird.
That their fellow homophobes, however unctuous and self-righteous
their posts should fail to call them on such usage reveals that they
are all joined at the hip in vileness and xenophobia.
ward
>+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
> This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
>Burlington, Ont, Canada To reply, remove 'SpamSux' from my E-ddress
> "Life is a sexualy transmitted, terminal, condition"
>+==================================================================+
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Life is complex and the contemplation of this
complexity by the simple-minded often leads to
a sort of brain-colic.
ward
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gavin Wheeler
wrote:
[....]
A long report about barebackers. OK, it happens, and straights do it
too. Actually I heard about straight 'extreme sex' parties 'way before
gay ones - I suspect straights still have that feeling that it is
primarily a gay disease. The important bit came at the end:
>The long history of AIDS in San Francisco, he
>suggested, shows that the city's gay community has
>acted responsibly and will continue to do so.
>
>``In this city,'' Durazzo said, ``men have made good
>choices around HIV and their sexual lives. They are
>making complex decisions how to stay safe. If they
>were making bad choices, we would see an enormously
>escalating epidemic.''
Men and women, gay straight or whatever, are on the whole
reacting pretty responsibly - so let's keep it up, hmm?
--
Gavin Wheeler, Chaos and Patterns Group
Physics Department, Simon Fraser University
Omar
to say is "let em have at it!!"
Omar
GHalleck <"<GHalleck1"@inreach.com>> wrote in message
news:36c0f993...@news.inreach.com...
>TODAY's COMMUNIQUE By Authority of Ephesians 5:11, Mark 12:38
>------------------
>
>obvious work of evil. BAREBACK to DEATH below my brief comments.
>
>This is a very important post to read showing a form of
>terrorism that is not being considered. It is graphic and for
>mature adults only. Consider the implications of HIV infected
>faggotry in general.
>
>suggested, shows that the city's gay community has
>acted responsibly and will continue to do so.
>
>``In this city,'' Durazzo said, ``men have made good
>choices around HIV and their sexual lives. They are
>making complex decisions how to stay safe. If they
>were making bad choices, we would see an enormously
>escalating epidemic.''
>
>
>
David W. Fenton
Gavin Wheeler (g...@sfu.ca) wrote:
: On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:23:43 GMT, GHal...@inreach.com ("GHalleck")
: wrote:
:
: [....]
:
: A long report about barebackers. OK, it happens, and straights do it
: too. Actually I heard about straight 'extreme sex' parties 'way before
: gay ones - I suspect straights still have that feeling that it is
: primarily a gay disease. The important bit came at the end:
The article not only failed to emphasize one key point, but it didn't even
mention it:
The vast majority of barebackers refuse to have unprotected sex with
any partners who are not, like them, HIV positive.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
RavensHeart
wrote:
>In this world of microwave solutions and instant gratification, all I have
>to say is "let em have at it!!"
> Omar
There are 145 unique messages by "Omar" <nut4...@utahlinx.com>:
Number of Messages Forum
131 alt.religion.mormon
5 alt.sports.basketball.nba.utah-jazz
3 alt.politics.homosexuality
1 alt.fan.art-bell
1 alt.recovery.mormonism
1 alt.religion.afterlife
1 alt.religion.christian.baptist
1 alt.religion.mormon.fellowship
1 alt.religion.scientology
Clifford Statum
>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:06:33 GMT, "L. Michael Roberts"
><News...@SpamSux.laserfx.com> wrote:
>>GHalleck wrote:
>> Well we need read no further to know that this is a crock!
>><balance donated to the SOB fund>
>It is an astonishment to read one of these posts -- it is as if one
>started a discussion of racism with a reference to "niggers and
>kikes." That these low Kreeps should show their cards on the >occasion of
their first post is weird.
A Deja News author profile for GHal...@inreach.com :
Number of messages Forum
422 alt.law-enforcement
45 alt.thebird.copwatch
29 alt.drug.busts
28 rec.autos.driving
18 alt.thebird.hippie
12 alt.philosophy.taoism
11 rec.knives
7 alt.impeach.clinton
6 alt.society.conservatism
6 talk.politics.libertarian
5 alt.politics.clinton
4 talk.politics.drugs
2 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
2 alt.politics.homosexuality
2 alt.prisons
2 dc.general
2 ok.general
2 rec.martial-arts
2 talk.politics.guns
1 alt.autos.dodge.trucks
1 alt.current.events
1 alt.current-events.usa
1 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
1 alt.org.earth-first
1 alt.sports.gymnastics
1 alt.thebird
1 dc.driving
1 houston.general
If GHalleck (I assume this is a rip-off of the character
Gunny Halleck from Herbert's novel 'Dune') has a
particular agenda, it would be difficult to ascertain
from his post history.
>That their fellow homophobes, however unctuous and self->righteous their
posts should fail to call them on such usage >reveals that they are all
joined at the hip in vileness and >xenophobia.
>ward
Ward,
Wake up and smell the smegma !!
GHalleck is a troll. While venting ones spleen toward said
troll may be self-satisfying, the effort is lost on them. It might
be better to practice some Zen and censure them with silence.
And I would question your use of the term xenophobia. It
generally refers to a fear of foreigners. I thought the theme
of your posts was that homosexuality is mainstream.
What I find odd is that you didn't address the issue of
barebacking. Was the article genuine or bogus ?
Clifford Statum
>>------------------
>There are 625 unique messages by "GHalleck" <GHal...@inreach.com>:
>(numbers may be slightly skewed by cross-postings)
> Number of Messages Forum
> 403 alt.law-enforcement
> 27 alt.philosophy.taoism
> 26 alt.thebird.hippie
> 26 rec.autos.driving
> 22 alt.thebird.copwatch
> 13 alt.government.abuse
> 11 alt.current-events.usa
> 10 alt.politics.clinton
> 8 alt.drugs.pot
> 6 alt.prisons
> 6 misc.survivalism
>OINKING TROLL
Agreed. I got a different history on Deja News. Where did
you find yours ?
Fenris
(David W. Fenton) wrote:
> The article not only failed to emphasize one key point, but it didn't even
> mention it:
>
> The vast majority of barebackers refuse to have unprotected sex with
> any partners who are not, like them, HIV positive.
Still a very bad idea, as their are different strains of the virus with
different resistances.
--
To e-mail me replace "spamsucks" with "azstarnet.com"
rdr
Hey Lurker,
The Lurker wrote in message <36c19dbf...@news.global2000.net>...
><snip>
>There are 625 unique messages by...
<snip>
You should learn a bit more about investigation before destroying your own
credibility.
I followed Dionisio's instructs and found your source, what a joke. Then I
did a "power search" and lo and behold, found just my messages and replies
to.
You, are a rumour monger. Kinda fitting title for a lurker.
rdr
Ward Stewart
>
>Ward,
>
>Wake up and smell the smegma !!
Now, isn't that special.
>
>GHalleck is a troll. While venting ones spleen toward said
>troll may be self-satisfying, the effort is lost on them. It might
>be better to practice some Zen and censure them with silence.
It might be well if you were to do likewise and not offer grossly
insulting remarks like the above -- not very Zenny!
>
>And I would question your use of the term xenophobia. It
>generally refers to a fear of foreigners.
WRONG! Check the dictionary, any dictionary -- it is well when
questioning someone's usage to get onto firmer ground and not reveal
to the world that you are a prat as well as a bigot.
ward
>
>What I find odd is that you didn't address the issue of
>barebacking. Was the article genuine or bogus ?
Nor, did I address the matter of the censure of the president -- is it
that you suppose that ALL matters must be addressed in EVERY post?
=======================================================
"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow,
malay and red, and He placed them on separate continents.
Judge Bazile's opinion in the Loving case.
=======================================================
Ward Stewart
Warren and Paula Merrill <w...@srv.net> wrote in article
<36C26D05...@srv.net>...
> Is there a site that shows the current silver and gold prices? I am
> looking for something like the stock sites where you get constantly
> updated values and also historical data if you want.
>
> Check www.coin-universe.com
They post gold, silver and coin market prices.
Dave
Ward Stewart
>Just my 2 Kopeks worth.
Hay! thats my line!!@
Omar
ravensheart probably out of the same type of curiosity.I wont bother posting
it here since it is of as little interest as my own. All I,ve got to say is
"ride em cowboy".
Omar
RavensHeart <she...@global2000.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:36c25ef...@news.global2000.net...
>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:58:59 -0700, "Omar" <nut4...@utahlinx.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In this world of microwave solutions and instant gratification, all I have
>>to say is "let em have at it!!"
>> Omar
>
>
Rasmus Neikes
$4900 and selling them at $5025, so I doubt you will be able to buy any bags in
the $4600 range.
Tom DeLorey
Harlan J. Berl, Ltd.
Chicago
.
>Subject: 90% silver U.S. Coins
>From: "Jim Murray" <jim.m...@worldnet.att.net>
>Date: 2/11/99 12:14 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <79v6ls$3...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>
>
>About a week ago I saw a site advertising pre '65 U.S. silver coins in
>$1,000 face value lots for $4,6??. I think, just like many others, I
>should have some silver for the Y2K problem and would like to buy some. I
>can't seem to find the site again. Is this a fair price and does anyone
>know of a site that sells these bags at this price.
>
>Thanks, Jim
Rasmus Neikes
>
> This is interesting stuff. I went over to dejanews and did a profile on
> ravensheart probably out of the same type of curiosity.I wont bother posting
> it here since it is of as little interest as my own. All I,ve got to say is
> "ride em cowboy".
So what? He's a dentist or interested in the field, posts to aph and a
number of other groups that are crossposted to alongside with aph... you
scared of dentists or what?
Rasmus.
--
There was a point to this story, but it has temporarily escaped the
chronicler's mind. (D. Adams)
RavensHeart
wrote:
Poor dear. Let me translate for you:
The interesting thing I point out to my fellow posters in aph is your
main interest:
Number of Messages Forum
131 alt.religion.mormon
That tells us more about you than you could possible realize.
>This is interesting stuff. I went over to dejanews and did a profile on
>ravensheart probably out of the same type of curiosity.I wont bother posting
>it here since it is of as little interest as my own. All I,ve got to say is
>"ride em cowboy".
>
>Omar
>RavensHeart <she...@global2000.nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:36c25ef...@news.global2000.net...
>>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:58:59 -0700, "Omar" <nut4...@utahlinx.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In this world of microwave solutions and instant gratification, all I have
>>>to say is "let em have at it!!"
>>> Omar
>>
>>
Omar
I get done doing other things on the computer. Therefore to the assuming
idiot, mental midgetry would lead him to this conclusion. What a discovery,
and by the way I didn't realize that posting to a newsgroup on a subject of
my interest because I don't have time to post and read everything else that
interests me was a crime or an accurate profile of the life of who I"ll call
Omar. Well its time to fly(literally) so that I can indulge in my main
Interest and life, that of making music.
See ya mister crystal ball.
"omar"
RavensHeart <she...@global2000.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:36cffe78...@news.global2000.net...
>On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:55:13 -0700, "Omar" <nut4...@utahlinx.com>
>wrote:
>
>Poor dear. Let me translate for you:
>The interesting thing I point out to my fellow posters in aph is your
>main interest:
>
> Number of Messages Forum
>
> 131 alt.religion.mormon
>
>That tells us more about you than you could possible realize.
>
>
>
>>This is interesting stuff. I went over to dejanews and did a profile on
>>ravensheart probably out of the same type of curiosity.I wont bother
posting
>>it here since it is of as little interest as my own. All I,ve got to say
is
>>"ride em cowboy".
>>
>>Omar
>>RavensHeart <she...@global2000.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>news:36c25ef...@news.global2000.net...
>>>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:58:59 -0700, "Omar" <nut4...@utahlinx.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In this world of microwave solutions and instant gratification, all I
have
>>>>to say is "let em have at it!!"
>>>> Omar
>>>
>>>
RavensHeart
wrote:
<blah, blah, blah>
When a poster appears in aph out of nowhere, in order to do some
verbal bashing, I print their posting history. What people decide to
think about it is up to them. It usually helps people decide whether
the suddenly appearing troll is worth responding to or not.
It's your posting history. You don't want to have one? Then don't
allow your messages to be archived.
And don't show up in this aph from nowhere with your shit unless you
expect to get shit back.
IOW: Bite me.
>RavensHeart <she...@global2000.nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:36cffe78...@news.global2000.net...
>>On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:55:13 -0700, "Omar" <nut4...@utahlinx.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>Poor dear. Let me translate for you:
>>The interesting thing I point out to my fellow posters in aph is your
>>main interest:
>>
>> Number of Messages Forum
>>
>> 131 alt.religion.mormon
>>
>>That tells us more about you than you could possible realize.
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is interesting stuff. I went over to dejanews and did a profile on
>>>ravensheart probably out of the same type of curiosity.I wont bother
>posting
>>>it here since it is of as little interest as my own. All I,ve got to say
>is
>>>"ride em cowboy".
>>>
>>>Omar
>>>RavensHeart <she...@global2000.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>news:36c25ef...@news.global2000.net...
>>>>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:58:59 -0700, "Omar" <nut4...@utahlinx.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In this world of microwave solutions and instant gratification, all I
>have
>>>>>to say is "let em have at it!!"
>>>>> Omar
>>>>
>>>>
pele...@my-dejanews.com
that the following crap about "faggots" is NOT your opinion...
In article <36c0fb52...@news.inreach.com>,
GHal...@inreach.com ("GHalleck") wrote:
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
ravens...@my-dejanews.com
in the m*rm*n ng, I thought I'd reprint it here for us.
In article <mrHy2.164$yo2....@news14.ispnews.com>,
"Om*r" <nut...@utalinx.com> wrote:
> Bite yourself,I,m not into this type of erotic thrill. You see the mistake
> was infact mine. When I originally responded to your post I did not look to
> see how many or what newsgroups I would be responding to. If I would have
> been paying attention I would have deleted the ng"s other than this one when
> I hit the "reply to group" botton.Anyway It's been fun!!
> Om*r
> RavensHeart <she...@global2000.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:36cf35e0...@news.global2000.net...
> >On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:15:26 -0700, "Om*r" <nut...@utalinx.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> ><blah, blah, blah>
> >
> >When a poster appears in aph out of nowhere, in order to do some
> >verbal bashing, I print their posting history. What people decide to
> >think about it is up to them. It usually helps people decide whether
> >the suddenly appearing troll is worth responding to or not.
> >
> >It's your posting history. You don't want to have one? Then don't
> >allow your messages to be archived.
> >
> >And don't show up in this aph from nowhere with your shit unless you
> >expect to get shit back.
> >
> >IOW: Bite me.
> >
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johnpetry
>
> I may not understand the posting system/format so bear with me. Please tell me
> that the following crap about "faggots" is NOT your opinion...
>
> In article <36c0fb52...@news.inreach.com>,
> GHal...@inreach.com ("GHalleck") wrote:
> > TODAY's COMMUNIQUE By Authority of Ephesians 5:11, Mark 12:38
> > ------------------
> >
> > EROTIC THRILL of COMMUNION w/AIDS Virus, new dangerous trend and
> > obvious work of evil. BAREBACK to DEATH below my brief comments.
> >
> > This is a very important post to read showing a form of
> > terrorism that is not being considered. It is graphic and for
> > mature adults only. Consider the implications of HIV infected
> > people in power over those who are not, or who are against
> > faggotry in general.
> >
Oh Lord, the barebacking issue. I remember hearing about this some
months ago and being very upset at the time. My prediction was that it
would only be a short time before it was picked up by mainstream media
and splashed across the world as an example of how "those people" are
totally irresponsible. There is a small minority of people within the
gay community who have enegaed in this behaviour. It has not been well
accepted by the rest of gay men to say the least. it is irresponsible
and very shortsighted on the part of those who endanger themselves and
others. However it is not something that all gay men are doing or even
a significant number of gay men.
Bullseye
>
> johnpetry <jonp...@slip.net> wrote:
> Oh Lord, the barebacking issue. I remember hearing about this some months
> ago and being very upset at the time. My prediction was that it would only
> be a short time before it was picked up by mainstream media and splashed
> across the world as an example of how "those people" are totally
> irresponsible. There is a small minority of people within the gay community
> who have enegaed in this behaviour. It has not been well accepted by the
> rest of gay men to say the least. it is irresponsible and very shortsighted
> on the part of those who endanger themselves and others. However it is not
> something that all gay men are doing or even a significant number of gay
> men.
>
> The example of Noah and his sons should serve as a great example for you to
> butt out of other people's consciences with regards to their love making.
>
> "And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank
> of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham,
> the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two
> brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both
> their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their
> father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's
> nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had
> done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he
> be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and
> Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell
> in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant." [Genesis 9:20-27
> KJV]
>
> --
>
> Dolf Boek
>
What the crap? This dude has one demented, weird mind. How can you
take an instance where Canaan was cursed for committing a homosexual
act, and then turn it around where it is supposed to support that which
is in line with a reporbates's conscience. Talk about reading between
the lines - and adding quite a few lines of your own. Use some common
sense, dude. Where did you go to school? The University of
Double-Talk?
Dolf Boek
Oh Lord, the barebacking issue. I remember hearing about this some months
ago and being very upset at the time. My prediction was that it would only
be a short time before it was picked up by mainstream media and splashed
across the world as an example of how "those people" are totally
irresponsible. There is a small minority of people within the gay community
who have enegaed in this behaviour. It has not been well accepted by the
rest of gay men to say the least. it is irresponsible and very shortsighted
on the part of those who endanger themselves and others. However it is not
something that all gay men are doing or even a significant number of gay
men.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
The example of Noah and his sons should serve as a great example for you to
butt out of other people's consciences with regards to their love making.
"And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank
of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham,
the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two
brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both
their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their
father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's
nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had
done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he
be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and
Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell
in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant." [Genesis 9:20-27
KJV]
--
Dolf Boek
Winner: 1997 Rainbow Community Award - "Leadership by gay male"
Author: 'Androgynous Christian' http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek
Email: dolf...@bigpond.com
ICQ Pager: 377...@pager.mirabilis.com
"Refresh a sole today -- wash someone's feet"
Please note I do not want unsolicited email which promotes or sells a good
or service.
John De Salvio
> Dolf Boek wrote:
> >
> > johnpetry <jonp...@slip.net> wrote:
> > Oh Lord, the barebacking issue. I remember hearing about this some months
> > ago and being very upset at the time. My prediction was that it would only
> > be a short time before it was picked up by mainstream media and splashed
> > across the world as an example of how "those people" are totally
> > irresponsible. There is a small minority of people within the gay community
> > who have enegaed in this behaviour. It has not been well accepted by the
> > rest of gay men to say the least. it is irresponsible and very shortsighted
> > on the part of those who endanger themselves and others. However it is not
> > something that all gay men are doing or even a significant number of gay
> > men.
> >
> > DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
> > The example of Noah and his sons should serve as a great example for you to
> > butt out of other people's consciences with regards to their love making.
> >
> > "And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank
> > of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham,
> > the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two
> > brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both
> > their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their
> > father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's
> > nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had
> > done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he
> > be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and
> > Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell
> > in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant." [Genesis 9:20-27
> > KJV]
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dolf Boek
> >
> What the crap? This dude has one demented, weird mind. How can you
> take an instance where Canaan was cursed for committing a homosexual
> act,
What "homosexual act"? I saw no mention of ANY sex act in the quote!
>Talk about reading between
> the lines -
Right.... "talk about reading between the lines" indeed!
--
John
NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:
desalvio["AT" SYMBOL]monitor.net
Moira de Swardt
>act, and then turn it around where it is supposed to support that which
>is in line with a reporbates's conscience. Talk about reading between
>the lines - and adding quite a few lines of your own. Use some common
>sense, dude. Where did you go to school? The University of
>Double-Talk?
Homosexual Act? Where? What? I'm missing something? I even re-read the
section in the KJV to make sure (and The Living Bible). No way.
Incidentally Canaan didn't do anything. Canaan, as the descendant of Ham,
was cursed, IMO, because of the disrespect of a son for a father. The sin
wasn't so much seeing Noah drunk and naked, but bragging about it to his
brothers in an unseemly manner.
If one is going to quote and comment on scripture one should at least do so
in context and accurately.
Moira de Swardt
Captain
The Salvation Army
South Africa
themo...@my-dejanews.com
>>Matthew Sheppard, the homosexual that was tragically
beaten to death recently, we now discover had been raped earlier in life,
Your sources for such a comment?
The Morrigan
The end of the old is only the beginning of the new
John De Salvio
> >>Matthew Sheppard, the homosexual that was tragically
> beaten to death recently, we now discover had been raped earlier in life,
>
>
> Your sources for such a comment?
His family.
What the poster's trying to imply won't work in Matthew's case:
He was raped long after he "came out."
Fenris
> >>Matthew Sheppard, the homosexual that was tragically
> beaten to death recently, we now discover had been raped earlier in life,
>
>
> Your sources for such a comment?
His mother, on national t.v.. On a trip to Morocco he ventured outside the
hotel by himself, was grabbed by a gang of street kids and raped.
John De Salvio
tto...@spamsucks.com (Fenris) wrote:
> In article <7c48oi$8b5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
themo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > >>Matthew Sheppard, the homosexual that was tragically
> > beaten to death recently, we now discover had been raped earlier in life,
> >
> >
> > Your sources for such a comment?
>
> His mother, on national t.v.. On a trip to Morocco he ventured outside the
> hotel by himself, was grabbed by a gang of street kids and raped.
Of course the person who brought that up was hoping to imply
that it was the rape that made him homosexual -- not realizing
that Matthew was already "out" when it occurred.
Ward Stewart
Salvio) wrote:
>In article <ttowne-0903...@dialup20ip067.tus.azstarnet.com>,
>tto...@spamsucks.com (Fenris) wrote:
>
>> In article <7c48oi$8b5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>themo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>> > >>Matthew Sheppard, the homosexual that was tragically
>> > beaten to death recently, we now discover had been raped earlier in life,
>> >
>> >
>> > Your sources for such a comment?
>>
>> His mother, on national t.v.. On a trip to Morocco he ventured outside the
>> hotel by himself, was grabbed by a gang of street kids and raped.
>
>Of course the person who brought that up was hoping to imply
>that it was the rape that made him homosexual -- not realizing
>that Matthew was already "out" when it occurred.
Further, -- If so, so what!
This is probably an exynesion of the inane Soccaridean thesis that
early sexual abuse turns "normal" children into homosexuals.
It is very simple, a young girl is molested by a man and turns AWAY
from men into lesbianism.
A young male is molested by a male and turns TOWARD men into being
gay.
ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that in any
harmless matter he is FREE to act as he will. He is NOT to be
restricted by prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors --
if THEY wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must
demonstrate the public interest in so restricting him."
Uncle Ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Calient...@base.xs4all.nl
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:53:12 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
wste...@hi.net (Wart Stewart) wrote:
>This is probably an exynesion of the inane Soccaridean thesis that
>early sexual abuse turns "normal" children into homosexuals.
>
>It is very simple, a young girl is molested by a man and turns AWAY
>from men into lesbianism.
>
>A young male is molested by a male and turns TOWARD men into being
>gay.
By God! Holmes! I think WART, the old dim-bulb fuckwitted corksacker
himself, has finally got it! What's that you say! NO!...Not AIDS! He
probably had that already, fifty percent of all practicing hom's are
prancing around with it you know. Many feel "out of the loop", if
they're found negative. Can you believe that?
>ward
Rasmus Neikes
See, if it wasn't that you're just another sissy to frightened to spew
his or hate under their own name - for the whole world to see how stupid
they are I'd have to reconsider my generaly positive attitude towards
the netherlands and its people now...
How ironic that you would hide behind a nation that stands for all that
you don't understand and fear...
L. Michael Roberts
>
> On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:53:12 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
>
> wste...@hi.net (Wart Stewart) wrote:
>
> >This is probably an exynesion of the inane Soccaridean thesis that
> >early sexual abuse turns "normal" children into homosexuals.
> >
> >It is very simple, a young girl is molested by a man and turns AWAY
> >from men into lesbianism.
> >
> >A young male is molested by a male and turns TOWARD men into being
> >gay.
>
> By God! Holmes! I think WART, the old dim-bulb fuckwitted corksacker
> himself, has finally got it!
Apparently you have lost it and must resort to adhominim attacks! Please
explain the logic behind the discredited theory that male molestation of
females causes lesbianism; while make molestation of males causes
homosexuality. Logically, if male molestation causes women to "tun away"
from men, then male molestation of males should cause them to "turn away"
from men and towards females.
> What's that you say! NO!...Not AIDS! He
> probably had that already,
How can he possible have AIDS? He has been in a monogamous relationship
with George for 42+ years now - their relationship predates the advent of
AIDS by some decades!
> fifty percent of all practicing hom's are
> prancing around with it you know. Many feel "out of the loop", if
> they're found negative. Can you believe that?
Please cite the scientific literature that backs your position. Last time
I checked the states, the majority of AIDS victims were HETEROsexual.
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Ward Stewart wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:54:21 -0700, des...@monitor.net (John De
> Salvio) wrote:
>
> >In article <ttowne-0903...@dialup20ip067.tus.azstarnet.com>,
> >tto...@spamsucks.com (Fenris) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <7c48oi$8b5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> >themo...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > >>Matthew Sheppard, the homosexual that was tragically
> >> > beaten to death recently, we now discover had been raped earlier in life,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Your sources for such a comment?
> >>
> >> His mother, on national t.v.. On a trip to Morocco he ventured outside the
> >> hotel by himself, was grabbed by a gang of street kids and raped.
> >
> >Of course the person who brought that up was hoping to imply
> >that it was the rape that made him homosexual -- not realizing
> >that Matthew was already "out" when it occurred.
>
> Further, -- If so, so what!
>
> This is probably an exynesion of the inane Soccaridean thesis that
> early sexual abuse turns "normal" children into homosexuals.
>
> It is very simple, a young girl is molested by a man and turns AWAY
> from men into lesbianism.
>
> A young male is molested by a male and turns TOWARD men into being
> gay.
>