New World Trade Tower Design
Roedy Green
Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
cutting day.
My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
wildlife back into New York City.
Perhaps next time.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, contract programming for $35 US per hour or fixed price.
For rapid answers to Java questions, see the glossary at http://mindprod.com/jgloss.html
Debbie Gibson
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When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. It's one thing
to be against the oil war W is about to wage against Iraq but it's something
completely different to disrespect the memories of those who died and to
even praise their deaths in a post like this. I know you feel that being a
faggot gives you some special right to slander the memories of those who
died but it's a right you only presume to have.
I for one do not want a war against Iraq and I wish W would just fuck off
and die but I wish the same on you, Groedy. You're nothing more than a
hateful shit for brained AIDS infested faggot who should himself just shut
up and die.
Roedy Green
<Debbie....@sympatico.com> wrote or quoted :
>When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
>slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
Be practical. You don't paint a target on your chest to protest the
fact you have been shot once.
There is a difference between warning someone when they are doing a
foolish thing, hoping something horrible will happen to them, and
doing something horrible.
By the fury in your post, I think you have confused these three. When
you calm down, read my original post again. You will see my post does
not say what you think it does.
I strongly suspect 3000 people in 9-11 are the victims of bin Laden,
but orchestrated by Bush Inc. Red Ink. For why see
http://mindprod.com/bush911.html
The fact Bush has never been called to account to explain his total
lack of effort to prevent or stop 9-11 and his many connections with
bin Laden and the financiers of 9-11 infuriates me. He murdered those
3000 people and is trying to trick America into murdering millions
more.
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
~ George Bush Jr., 2001-09-13
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority."
~ George Bush Jr., 2002-03-13
beber
wrote:
>The new design is taller than ever.
>
>Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>
>It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
>cutting day.
>
>My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
>wildlife back into New York City.
>
>Perhaps next time.
Yes, proof we didn't learn a thing. Stick an even taller tower up,
even more garish and expensive, even though we're broke. And create,
too, another symbolic and vulnerable target. The arabs could be doing
this for centuries.
We build it, they knock it down.
Roedy Green
or quoted :
>The arabs could be doing
>this for centuries.
>We build it, they knock it down.
like kids in a sandbox.
So much of this reminds me of my unpleasant days in grade school
dealing with bullies and gangs. Even the way debates are handled is
reminiscent.
I got beat up every day of my school life until grade 9. I know a
bully when I see one, and Bush Inc Red Ink is a first class bully.
"One of the great attractions of patriotism - it fulfills our worst
wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully
and cheat. Bully and cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are
profoundly virtuous."
~ Aldous Huxley
SWMyers
> >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
> >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
>
> I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
> killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
cowards that we rebuild and move on. Pearl Harbor is still a US Navy base,
San Francisco is still a city, Galveston still faces down hurricanes, the
Pentagon still directs the operations against the cowards, Chicago is still
a transportation hub. Americans have a unique ability to take tragedy and
rally around it and defeat our enemies.
>
> Be practical. You don't paint a target on your chest to protest the
> fact you have been shot once.
You also don't cower in a bunker. If there is a "lake" where the WTC stood
(what a waste of prime real estate next to a river) then the next target
is.... the Chrysler Building, the Empire State Building??? No matter what
was built or not built there, there would always be a target for fanatical
morons.
cornytheclown
>
> Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>
> It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
> cutting day.
>
> My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
> wildlife back into New York City.
>
> Perhaps next time.
I dont like the design...too modern looking for me.... I would have
built them back to basically the way they were made them a bit bigger
though and some sort of park area would be nice with a memorial ouside
where all can see it instead of inside the building.
Kenneth Hebert
news:8e8f59d4.03022...@posting.google.com:
There will be a memorial outside. Plus the design takes into account the
long. and lat. compared to sunrise and sunset. This is so the buildings
will be placed so that no shadow falls accross the twin tower foot prints
on 9/11 at the time they were struck.
Dave M.
off. No wonder Jacques Chirac is laughing at us!
Dave M.
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Steven Litvintchouk
Roedy Green wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:31:56 -0500, "Debbie Gibson"
> <Debbie....@sympatico.com> wrote or quoted :
>
> >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
> >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
>
> I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
> killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
Libeskind, the architect, said that the new building shows that Life Is
Victorious over any tragedy.
You don't keep weeping and weeping over the lives that were lost.
Sooner or later, you work thru all your grief and go on with life.
But that is not what you want for America.
Your vision of America is of a self-effacing, guilt-ridden, weeping,
permanently paralyzed nation.
My vision of America is as the world's undisputed leader who even after
being wounded, picks itself up and kicks butt. Your butt for one.
That's the difference.
After Pearl Harbor, America didn't spend the rest of the century
agonizing over the hundreds of American lives lost.
Instead, we kicked Japan's butt, inflicting 672,000 Japanese CIVILIAN
deaths by U.S. bombers, forced them to surrender unconditionally, and
effected "regime change" to ensure they would never bother us again.
That's my America. I know it's not yours.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlink.net
Steven Litvintchouk
Roedy Green wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:39:46 -0800, beber <be...@media-net.net> wrote
> or quoted :
>
> >The arabs could be doing
> >this for centuries.
> >We build it, they knock it down.
>
> like kids in a sandbox.
>
> So much of this reminds me of my unpleasant days in grade school
> dealing with bullies and gangs. Even the way debates are handled is
> reminiscent.
>
> I got beat up every day of my school life until grade 9. I know a
> bully when I see one, and Bush Inc Red Ink is a first class bully.
>
> "One of the great attractions of patriotism - it fulfills our worst
> wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully
> and cheat. Bully and cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are
> profoundly virtuous."
> ~ Aldous Huxley
That's why you want to turn Lower Manhattan into a big lake.
It's exactly what a hater of America would want.
New York City is an affirmation of America's engineering and economic
accomplishments. Which you, of course, despise.
You want a memorial lake? Here's my proposal on how to create a
memorial lake:
Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
Rivers, flood the resulting crater and Presto! A nice big lake as a
memorial to 9-11.
It's time America stopped weeping over 9-11.
And started kicking butt.
Steven Litvintchouk
SWMyers wrote:
>
> "Roedy Green" wrote
> > >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
> > >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
> >
> > I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
> > killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
>
> The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
> cowards that we rebuild and move on.
Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
going to exterminate.
Steven Litvintchouk
Roedy Green wrote:
>
> The new design is taller than ever.
>
> Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
Symbolically, as the architect Libeskind said, the tower is a
reaffirmation that "Life Is Victorious" over any tragedy. And by
implication, America Is Victorious over tragedy. And THAT is what
pisses you off.
Steven Litvintchouk
There are already plenty of spectacular terrorist targets in America:
The Sears Tower, the Seattle Space Needle, the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge,
etc. Why don't we just demolish those and go live in a hole in the
ground out of fear?
I'll tell you why not.
Because America should not fear anyone or anything on this planet.
We've got the power to lay waste to the entire surface of the world if
need be.
America has not unleashed her full military power since World War II.
The only thing these terrorists are counting on is that America doesn't
have the guts to start laying waste to whole regions.
But we do.
Geo
Roedy Green wrote:
> The new design is taller than ever.
>
> Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>
> It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
> cutting day.
>
> My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
> wildlife back into New York City.
>
> Perhaps next time.
I just don't see the logic in taking some of the most valuable land on
the planet and turning it in to a lake. NYC is a business center not a
wildlife preserve.
Ninure Saunders
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
-SWMyers wrote:
->
-> "Roedy Green" wrote
-> > >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
-> > >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
-> >
-> > I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
-> > killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
->
-> The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
-> cowards that we rebuild and move on.
-
-Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
-
-He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
-
-If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
-East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan
But MONE of them came from Bahghdad.
But of course none of them matters to Steve "hitler" Litvintchouk.
-
-Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
-Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
-9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
-going to exterminate.
-
-So much for te claims that conservatives make about their convern for
the Iraqi people.
What is the dfference between people like Steve and Saddman?
Only thatSteve and his fellow conservatives haven't bern able to carry out
their desirte for mass murder...yet.
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Mikkel E
> "Roedy Green" <ro...@mindprod.com> wrote in message
> news:ctdu5vgfdq2s82voa...@4ax.com...
> > The new design is taller than ever.
> >
> > Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
> >
> > It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
> > cutting day.
> >
> > My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
> > wildlife back into New York City.
> slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. It's one thing
> to be against the oil war W is about to wage against Iraq but it's something
> completely different to disrespect the memories of those who died and to
> even praise their deaths in a post like this. I know you feel that being a
> faggot gives you some special right to slander the memories of those who
> died but it's a right you only presume to have.
>
> I for one do not want a war against Iraq and I wish W would just fuck off
> and die but I wish the same on you, Groedy. You're nothing more than a
> hateful shit for brained AIDS infested faggot who should himself just shut
> up and die.
Damn Debbie, you shure put a lot of connotations into Roedy's quite
innocent remarks. So with the risk of being called a faggot and what
not, I agree with him. Putting up the world's largest building on
Ground Zero is a little like waving a red cloth in front of people,
that wants to hurt USA. It doesn't mean I'm disrespecting the victims
of 911, just the opposite. I don't want to witness that scenario
again.
By the way, how does the irony of the architect being from Germany
strike you. His name is Liebstkind which translates directly to
Lovechild.
Brain Death
(Ninure Saunders) wrote:
>In article <3E5F9987...@earthlink.net>, Steven Litvintchouk
><sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>-SWMyers wrote:
>->
>-> "Roedy Green" wrote
>-> > >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
>-> > >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
>-> >
>-> > I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
>-> > killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
>->
>-> The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
>-> cowards that we rebuild and move on.
>-
>-Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
>-
>-He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
>-
>-If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
>-East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan
>
>
>But MONE of them came from Bahghdad.
Mone? Bahghdad?
Let me ask you, Ninure. Do you type with your nose or something? If
so I can forgive you the constant typos, even applaud you for the
effort it must take.
BD
>
>But of course none of them matters to Steve "hitler" Litvintchouk.
>
>-
>-Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
>-Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
>-9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
>-going to exterminate.
>-
>-So much for te claims that conservatives make about their convern for
>the Iraqi people.
>
>What is the dfference between people like Steve and Saddman?
>
>Only thatSteve and his fellow conservatives haven't bern able to carry out
>their desirte for mass murder...yet.
>
>Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
>http://deaconninure.0catch.com
>
>The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
>http://www.geocities.com/ninure
>
>The world's second most subversive document
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>
>My Online Diary
>http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
>-
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>
>To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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be able to give a speech like that when I grow up" - Bill Clinton, October
2, 2002
Burgy
"Mark Cresky" <hap...@opermail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
> >
> >He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
> >
> >If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> >East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
> >
> >Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
> >Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
> >9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
> >going to exterminate.
>
> be a real pain. I'm going to chalk this charming little encouragement
> to commit the greatest crime against humanity up till now to your
> discomfort.
>
> One more time though and I'm calling a mental health professional near
> you to check you out.
>
> It's for your own good. No one is naturally this demented.
I agree, Lets put the memorial lake on the Mecca site...
Steveo
Another example of Republican responsibility.
John D.
"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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(snip)
> America has not unleashed her full military power since World War II.
> The only thing these terrorists are counting on is that America doesn't
> have the guts to start laying waste to whole regions.
>
> But we do.
>
And will, if that's what it takes. There's no question about that.
John D.
Steveo
Geo wrote:
>
>
> Roedy Green wrote:
>
>> The new design is taller than ever.
>>
>> Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>>
>> It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
>> cutting day.
>>
>> My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
>> wildlife back into New York City.
>>
>> Perhaps next time.
>
>
> I just don't see the logic in taking some of the most valuable land on
> the planet and turning it in to a lake. NYC is a business center not a
> wildlife preserve.
Yeah, that's the ticket! Get the pitchforks and lanterns! Down with
Central Park! Let's rip out every tree in the city!
John D.
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The prismatic effect from the glass shard beaches would truly be a sight to
behold.
John D.
Geo
Steveo wrote:
>
>
> Geo wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Roedy Green wrote:
>>
>>> The new design is taller than ever.
>>>
>>> Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>>>
>>> It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
>>> cutting day.
>>>
>>> My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
>>> wildlife back into New York City.
>>>
>>> Perhaps next time.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just don't see the logic in taking some of the most valuable land on
>> the planet and turning it in to a lake. NYC is a business center not
>> a wildlife preserve.
>
>
>
> Yeah, that's the ticket! Get the pitchforks and lanterns! Down with
> Central Park! Let's rip out every tree in the city!
Who, other than yourself, said anything about central park?
Steveo
Geo wrote:
>
>
> Steveo wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Geo wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roedy Green wrote:
>>>
>>>> The new design is taller than ever.
>>>>
>>>> Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>>>>
>>>> It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
>>>> cutting day.
>>>>
>>>> My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
>>>> wildlife back into New York City.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps next time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just don't see the logic in taking some of the most valuable land
>>> on the planet and turning it in to a lake. NYC is a business center
>>> not a wildlife preserve.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that's the ticket! Get the pitchforks and lanterns! Down with
>> Central Park! Let's rip out every tree in the city!
>
>
> Who, other than yourself, said anything about central park?
Why, you did. You said that "NYC is a business center not a wildlife
preserve." Central Park is in NYC, so why is it not being used business
purposes?
The truth is that NYC is a city consisting of the same things that
comprise all cities. Central Park, while certainly not a wildlife
preserve, does contain some wildlife. Since NYC is a city and not
just a business center, creating a small wildlife preserve does not,
to me, seem inappropriate.
Geo
The only wildlife I consider to exist in central park are the criminals
who routinly do their evil deeds there. Maybe creating a wildlife
preserve is "appropriate" it just doesn't make sense given the commerce
that can take place once again on those grounds. That spot is too
valuable to turn into a lake.
Steveo
I also thought about the other wildlife in Central Park and suspected
that you would mention it. It may be true that the land valuable, but
that would make the lake all the more meaningful.
Durran
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LabMonkey
> The only wildlife I consider to exist in central park are the criminals
> who routinly do their evil deeds there.
Spoken like an idiot who doesn't use the park in question on a regular basis.
Get a clue, moron, and don't get all your facts from TV shows.
LAB
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ROBW
the spire is to be 1776 feet to honour the revolution?
the buildings will be built to perfectly reflect the sun on the morning of
9-11 each year? (I'm not making this up, it was announced on the
local "conservative talk" station in Philly.
robw
--
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"Roedy Green" <ro...@mindprod.com> wrote in message
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> The new design is taller than ever.
>
> Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>
> It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
> cutting day.
>
> My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
> wildlife back into New York City.
>
> Perhaps next time.
>
>
ROBW
I thought you wanted to liberate them?
Guess not,huh?
robw
--
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"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Ninure Saunders
<ah...@no-spam-world.std.com> wrote:
->>>>> Steven Litvintchouk writes:
-
- Steven> SWMyers wrote:
- >>
- >> "Roedy Green" wrote
- >> > >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like
this you
- >> > >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
- >> >
- >> > I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
- >> > killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
- >>
- >> The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
- >> cowards that we rebuild and move on.
-
- Steven> Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
-
- Steven> He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
-
- Steven> If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in
the Middle
- Steven> East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower
Manhattan.
-
- Steven> Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
- Steven> Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a
memorial to
- Steven> 9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that
America is
- Steven> going to exterminate.
-
-There you go again, calling for the murder of millions
-of innocent people.
And have you noticed all the regular conservative posters in these NGs
lining up to agree with him?
In one breath..they claim that this war is about "saving the Yraqi people
from Saddam", in the next, they not only want to see those same people
exterminated thru a Nuclear strike, they want to insure t a war with every
Muslim on the planet by destroying their holiest site.
-Hint, Saddam kills fundamentalist Islamic types.
-
-Most of the people of Iraq are his victims, and should not
-be killed.
The conservatives love to see people killed, as long as they are the ones
picking the targets.
creosote
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:31:56 -0500, "Debbie Gibson"
> <Debbie....@sympatico.com> wrote or quoted :
>
>
>
> fact you have been shot once.
>
> There is a difference between warning someone when they are doing a
> foolish thing, hoping something horrible will happen to them, and
> doing something horrible.
>
> By the fury in your post, I think you have confused these three. When
> you calm down, read my original post again. You will see my post does
> not say what you think it does.
>
> I strongly suspect 3000 people in 9-11 are the victims of bin Laden,
> but orchestrated by Bush Inc. Red Ink. For why see
> http://mindprod.com/bush911.html
>
> The fact Bush has never been called to account to explain his total
> lack of effort to prevent or stop 9-11 and his many connections with
> bin Laden and the financiers of 9-11 infuriates me. He murdered those
> 3000 people and is trying to trick America into murdering millions
> more.
>
> "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
> number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
> ~ George Bush Jr., 2001-09-13
>
> "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
> It's not that important. It's not our priority."
> ~ George Bush Jr., 2002-03-13
Mr. Green, you are a paranoid and a hypocrite. You make outrageous
remarks, then claim you didn't mean what someone thought you said. It
seems to be a Canadian trait. A few weeks ago, when you thought we
were about to invade Iraq, you stated unequivocally that you thought
countries like Canada should supply terrorists with nuclear bombs for
smuggling into the US in order to bomb US cities. Then you claimed
you, "didn't mean it the way some people thought it sounded."
Bullshit. You meant it precisely that way, and you meant it this
time, too. Someone could easily suspect that you are passing on
orders to terrorists. You use the fact that you are not an American
citizen to pop off freely and avoid being scorned as a traitor, but
because you are just over the border in Vancouver, you feel you have
as much a stake in American policy as American citizens do. You've
got it backwards. You are almost an American and should feel an
empathy with Americans, but you are not really an American and really
don't have the right to tell us what to do. In fact, as an avowed
enemy alien who regularly advocates or condones violence against
America and Americans, you can be LEGALLY sought out and terminated
with extreme prejudice. I have told you about this before and you just
won't heed my advice. When those guys in suits and sunglasses pay you
a visit one of these days and you hear the "chup chup chup" of their
silencers, don't say I didn't warn you.
creosote
You tell 'im, Steve.
creosote
Green has a way of phrasing his opinions that illustrate quite plainly
what he really means and there is nothing "innocent" about it. A few
weeks ago he was advocating that nations like Canada should supply
terrorists with suitcase nukes in order to blow up US cities and show
Americans what it feels like to be bombed. Is that what you call
"quite innocent remarks?"
creosote
> >this for centuries.
> >We build it, they knock it down.
>
>
> So much of this reminds me of my unpleasant days in grade school
> dealing with bullies and gangs. Even the way debates are handled is
> reminiscent.
>
> I got beat up every day of my school life until grade 9. I know a
> bully when I see one, and Bush Inc Red Ink is a first class bully.
>
> "One of the great attractions of patriotism - it fulfills our worst
> wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully
> and cheat. Bully and cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are
> profoundly virtuous."
> ~ Aldous Huxley
I have a feeling you got picked on because you asked for it every
chance you got. You think Bush is a bully but no mention of Saddam.
You are one screwed up turkey, Green.
creosote
> We need the tallest Phallus symbol while we are still lopping our own balls
> off. No wonder Jacques Chirac is laughing at us!
>
> Dave M.
So you think we are fools and Chirac is some kinda cool guy? Who gave
you that idea, the kids at the student union? Chirac may be riding
high at present, but his moment in the sun will be shortlived and soon
he will be shown for the pompous timid blowhard he is. Just watch how
your heroes, the French, make a 180 degree turn and demand to be in on
dividing up the spoils of a conquered Iraq once Americans ignore them
and finally make it happen.
CJT
>
> Roedy Green wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:31:56 -0500, "Debbie Gibson"
>><Debbie....@sympatico.com> wrote or quoted :
>>
>>
>>
>>I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
>>killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
>
>
> Libeskind, the architect, said that the new building shows that Life Is
> Victorious over any tragedy.
>
> You don't keep weeping and weeping over the lives that were lost.
> Sooner or later, you work thru all your grief and go on with life.
>
> But that is not what you want for America.
>
> Your vision of America is of a self-effacing, guilt-ridden, weeping,
> permanently paralyzed nation.
>
> My vision of America is as the world's undisputed leader who even after
> being wounded, picks itself up and kicks butt. Your butt for one.
Apparently, any convenient butt.
>
> That's the difference.
>
> After Pearl Harbor, America didn't spend the rest of the century
> agonizing over the hundreds of American lives lost.
>
> Instead, we kicked Japan's butt, inflicting 672,000 Japanese CIVILIAN
> deaths by U.S. bombers, forced them to surrender unconditionally, and
> effected "regime change" to ensure they would never bother us again.
>
Of course, Japan had attacked us, unlike Iraq. That's what
"pre-emptive" means, so there should be no argument on the point.
CJT
>
> beber wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:26:46 GMT, Roedy Green <ro...@mindprod.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The new design is taller than ever.
>>>
>>>Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>>>
>>>It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
>>>cutting day.
>>>
>>>My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
>>>wildlife back into New York City.
>>>
>>>Perhaps next time.
>>
>>Yes, proof we didn't learn a thing. Stick an even taller tower up,
>>even more garish and expensive, even though we're broke. And create,
>>too, another symbolic and vulnerable target. The arabs could be doing
>>this for centuries.
>>
>>We build it, they knock it down.
>
>
> There are already plenty of spectacular terrorist targets in America:
> The Sears Tower, the Seattle Space Needle, the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge,
> etc. Why don't we just demolish those and go live in a hole in the
> ground out of fear?
>
> I'll tell you why not.
>
> Because America should not fear anyone or anything on this planet.
> We've got the power to lay waste to the entire surface of the world if
> need be.
... and that seems to be the goal of the current administration.
It is striking that it only seems to be a "need" when the Republicans
are in power. Democrats somehow manage to substitute diplomacy, with
the side effect that we have prosperity, balanced budgets, attention to
domestic affairs, and a WTC that's still standing.
Free Palestine
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
Move on to what, Steve? More madness?
> >
> >He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
If that stops the madness, I am all for it.
> >
> >If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> >East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
I see. Just pick a country and do it, Steve. Don't bother which one.
> >
> >Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
> >Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
> >9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
> >going to exterminate.
I'm afraid you believe this. Never mind Iraq is about as
unfundamentalist as Muslims get.
>
> Feverish again? Those blue balls from your long-delayed wargasm must
> be a real pain. I'm going to chalk this charming little encouragement
> to commit the greatest crime against humanity up till now to your
> discomfort.
Tremendous number of Americans talking just like Steve now.
>
> One more time though and I'm calling a mental health professional near
> you to check you out.
You'll have to do that for about 90 million Americans.
>
> It's for your own good. No one is naturally this demented.
America has gone insane, Mark.
--
The REAL reason for the War on Iraq:
Israel, American Jews, and the War on Iraq
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison01252003.html
http://www.nowarforisrael.com/
Jeffrey Turner
> I agree, Lets put the memorial lake on the Mecca site...
But Bush has good friends in Mecca. Idiot.
--Jeff
Jeffrey Turner
> The new design is taller than ever.
Yeah, New York needs a lot more unrented office space.
I hope no tax dollars are going into this pork barrel.
--Jeff
bobbyhaqq
> SWMyers wrote:
> Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
>
> He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
>
> If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
>
> Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
> Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
> 9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
> going to exterminate.
Muslims are aware of how wide spread beliefs like this are in the
United States, many read English and the Internet is available freely
in Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Turkey, and many other countries. Likely
this post will be found by a search of google in the arab world.
Then they see what happen to Afgahanistan. Then they hear Bush say we
are going to turn Iraq in to a democracy, but they know the truth.
This is a war of racial revenge. The killers of 9-11 were mostly
Suadis and we can't attack and kill Suadis because we need their oil,
so we are going to attack Iraq.
Most rascist (ie Republicans) don't know or care about the difference.
Humiliated and dead Arabs somewhere is all they want.
Tempest
ROBW wrote:
>
> I thought it was Saddam and not the common people you were after?
> I thought you wanted to liberate them?
The Cossack is advocating genocide.
There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he is a war criminal in
the making.
--
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and
causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have
been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the
Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working
upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a
few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
- Abraham Lincoln
Robert
> SWMyers wrote:
> >
> > "Roedy Green" wrote
> > > >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
> > > >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
> > >
> > > I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
> > > killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
> >
> > The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
> > cowards that we rebuild and move on.
>
> Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
>
> He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
>
> If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
>
> Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
> Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
> 9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
> going to exterminate.
You are a cowardly piece of shit.
You are a chickenshit chickenhawk.
How many innocent people will die.
Tempest
You know there will be. Either directly, or through tax breaks.
Jeffrey Turner
>
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>
>>Roedy Green wrote:
>>
>>>The new design is taller than ever.
>>
>>Yeah, New York needs a lot more unrented office space.
>>I hope no tax dollars are going into this pork barrel.
>
>
> You know there will be. Either directly, or through tax breaks.
>
No doubt. Standard Operating Procedure, redirect wealth
upward. It's the Amerikan way.
It wasn't a bad daydream for a short while, though.
--We the Irrelevant of United Nations
In Order to...secure the blessings of liberty to
ourselves and our posterity...
beber
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>beber wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:26:46 GMT, Roedy Green <ro...@mindprod.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >The new design is taller than ever.
>> >
>> >Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
>> >
>> >It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
>> >cutting day.
>> >
>> >My plan was to make the crater into a lake and bring some true
>> >wildlife back into New York City.
>> >
>> >Perhaps next time.
>> Yes, proof we didn't learn a thing. Stick an even taller tower up,
>> even more garish and expensive, even though we're broke. And create,
>> too, another symbolic and vulnerable target. The arabs could be doing
>> this for centuries.
>>
>> We build it, they knock it down.
>
>There are already plenty of spectacular terrorist targets in America:
>The Sears Tower, the Seattle Space Needle, the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge,
>etc. Why don't we just demolish those and go live in a hole in the
>ground out of fear?
>
>I'll tell you why not.
>
>Because America should not fear anyone or anything on this planet.
>We've got the power to lay waste to the entire surface of the world if
>need be.
>
that would leave american farmers in a pickle, wouldn't it.
bobbyhaqq
> Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
>
> He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
>
> If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
>
> Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
> Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
> 9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
> going to exterminate.
You may not know this, but this was Hitler's plan for Moscow.
You, and many of your fellow Republicans, have joined a very small
elite club, of histories villians.
Everyman
> > >If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> > >East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
The Iraqis have done nothing to warrant this Anglo-American invasion.
Nothing.
Those who say that they have are either ignorant and mindlessly
impressionable or deceitful and wicked. Their names should be marked
and others warned about them -- since not all of their future posts
may reveal the defectivness of their thinking or their copnscience and
ethics.
The fact is that the terrorists of 9-11 live on Park Avenue and in
Connecticut etc. or in Arlington, Virginia.
Here is something that will give every thinking man of good will cause
to pause:
Here are a few reasons why we can be sure that the Pentagon attack was
an inside job with the complicity of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bush, Cheney
etc. Let's call it
The Dick Eastman Brief on the Pentagon Murders
1. The hole is too small. Only ten feet across (under just two
Pentagon windows of the third floor -- see picture.) The Priest who
saw "a plane" hit and walked from the freeway to the crash site to
help victims said that all the flame appeared to be coming from just
"two windows." (confirming the photo evidence I resented -- and the
fact that the inner walls perpendicular to the outer wall were not
brought down by airloiner engines or by anything else.) This is the
"French proof."
2. The security cam video recording, in frame #1 released by the DoD
shows the tail fin of the killer jet, but where the long fuselage of
the 757 that would be projecting ahead of that tail is simply not
there -- the plane in the picture is less than seven lengths of the
tail fin shown (if lined up stegasaurus style), whereas the fuselage
of the Boeing extends seven tail fin lengths from the tail fin to the
nose).
Write to me, anyone, I'll send you the video clip immediately on
outlook express hotmail immediatly -- or check my pages at APFN.)
This is the "Stegasaurus proof."
3. The video shows a definite missilbe plume -- the F-16 (or
comparable fighter jet) fired a missile to make the hole through which
the plane disappeared -- to ensure that there would not be any
fighter jet debris bounced back on the line to give away the coverup.
The smoke plume trail is unmistakably that of a ground to air missile
-- see pictures of an F-16 firing a ground to air missile to produce
exactly this kind of plume at my APFN page
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm (towards the bottom of the
page, after all the witness statements etc.) This is the "Missile
plume proof."
4. The killer jet could not be in two places at once! The plane was
either over the cemetery (and over the gardener's head as he claims;
and just 100 feet from Steve Riskus as it crossed the road in front of
his car as he has written to me, and seen going striaght in (i.e., at
90 degrees) -- OR it was in line with the downed lamp posts (on the
Washington Blvd overpass and cloverleaf entrances and exits for the
Pentagon parking lot) and with the outer-wall entry hole and the
sixth-wall hole (in the "C-ring") through which the single engine
exited and came to rest. It would be impossible for a Boeing 757 to
have been over the cemetery and/or the Naval Annex just south of the
cemetery (as witnesses on the Columbia Pike place it) -- where a
straight line to the crash point would hit at nearly and 85 degree
angle -- but somehow get realigned so that it approaches the crash
point (the two holes in the walls mentioned) from a 50 degree angle
through those five lamp posts at the cloverleaf interchange. "This is
the "Path-alignment Proof." or the "2-D path proof."
5. A boeing 757 could not have downed those lamp posts sitting on an
overpass above the level of the roof of the Pentagon, then dipped down
and leveled out perfectly at 6 or 7 feet above the lawn in time to be
caught by the security camera video in perfect horizontal low-level
flight when it was still half way across the lawn from the crash
point!!!! ONLY A TACTICAL FIGHTER LIKE THE F-16 COULD HAVE DONE
THAT!!!!! (i.e., a Boeing 757 could not dip from the overpass and
then perfectly level out at 6 or 7 feet over a distance that was only
three times the length of its fuselage -- it had to be a smaller, much
more maneuverable tactical fighter.) This is the "3-D-path proof."
6. Only one engine hit the building according to all evidence.
a) only one hole in the wall, and a narrow one -- ENOUGH ONLY
FOR A FUSELAGE AN ENGINE IN IT -- NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR A BOEING WHAT
SITS SIX PASSENGERS ACROSS AND HAS TWO MASSIVE TITANIUM ENGINES UNDER
ITS WINGS TEN FEET BETWEEN THE FUSELAGE!!!! Remember the hole is only
10 feet across -- with interior walls perpendicular to the outer wall
in tact on either side!!!!)
b) only one engine photographed by FEMA (or by anyone else) amid
the rubble
c) only one engine photographed or reported being lifted out of
the wreckage during cleanup (engines are not easily portable, they are
not easily sneaked in like wheels and struts)
This is the "Single-engine proof."
7. There is a bi-polar distribution of what was seen by witnesses
(see my page at APFN for all of these witness reports -- not including
my letter from Riskus -- which I received after that page was posted)
-- showing that some saw the Beoing come in over the Annex and
cemetery while others had the killer jet come over their cars on
highway 395 -- they heard it go over their heads, then looked out
their windows and saw the Boeing (which by then had passed the
cemetery and was converging with the killer jet at the target point,
except that the killer jet was flying at six feet as it crossed the
lawn and the Boeing at 80 feet as it got over the building hidden by
the immediate blast and smoke of the crash below it -- and in less
than a minute it was over Reagan National Airport where it landed
etc. See the apfn page for more on this.) This is the "Bi-polar
witness conflict proof."
8. Air traffic controllers report the attacking plane behaving like a
jet fighter before it dipped below radar (the only way they could
track it, since transponders were mysteriously deactivated --
preventing identification of aircraft being observed -- all they had
was a blip -- a blip that behaved like a jet fighter!) "This is the
"Blip behavior" evidence (strong corroboration -- but not, by itself,
a proof.)
TO this we can add all of the corroborating proofs amassed by 9-11
investigator Gerard Holmgren (previously provided -- see yesterday's
message). The "Holgmgren Proofs.")
Also, we have the exposure of deliberately planted false evidence --
for example the piece from an American Airlines Boeing that could only
come from the starboard side that was found two hundred feet to the
port side of the approaching plane -- a non-aerodynamic piece that
could not have gotten their any more than you could through the
unfolded page of a newspaper across a basketball court!!! A definite
plant. (check my apfn page for details, photos proving this) --
mysteriously there were 540 FBI guys on the scene picking up debris
(see http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart ) but only one piece was
left for photographers -- that planted piece -- that has since
disappeared for all time!!!!
Anyone who calls a moron, a loon, a leftist, an arab-lover any and
all who are moved to question the official story on the basis of this
hard information -- exposes himself as part of the criminal coverup of
this mass murder operation. Gooding and Ocean -- the guard dogs of
the Bush-related newsgroup threads seem to fit this bill.
They intimidate people into keeping their mouths shut about what they
are convinced of -- but not everyone -- some speak the truth despite
the certain ridicule and the unstated threat -- and when enough do
this -- the damn will break -- and Gooding and Ocean will be
changing places with some innocent goat hearders at Guantanamo (where
they will join some of the finest people in society -- so don't feel
sorry for them.)
Everyman (is responsible to every other man)
==========
Rumsfeld Advisor Henry Kissinger: "Military men are dumb, stupid
animals to
be used as pawns for foreign policy."
---------------------------------------------------
Here is the choice facing us: Kissinger's elitist arrogant
domineering
mercenary-enforced globalization or Patrick J. Buchanan's
all-middle-class
thoroughly non-interventionist, all small-business republic populism.
It is
a choice between pride and covetousness or justice and amity.
1. What Henry Kissinger Thinks of Our Military by Lisa Guliani
2. America; Wages of Empire by Patrick J. Buchanan
=========
Item #1:
WHAT HENRY KISSINGER THINKS OF OUR MILITARY
By Lisa Guliani
"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as
pawns for foreign policy."
~ Henry Kissinger ~
January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter
The above statement given by Henry Kissinger should
dispel any possible doubt or confusion in the skeptics
among us as to just how little our servicemen matter
to the elitist madmen calling the shots. No longer do
they spew empty words to placate the masses. They are
admitting outright that our soldiers are expendable
and disposable. If the above statement by Kissinger
doesn't make your blood run cold, then tell me, what
will?
While the war-mongers relentlessly push us into a war
nobody else wants, our troops are scattered far and
wide, preparing for the unpredictable and seemingly
inevitable confrontations which lie ahead. Some are
saying this war will lead to peace. The absurdity of
such a statement is apparent. Why must we engage in
war to obtain peace? What will be the ultimate price
of such peace? How many American lives must be
sacrificed as collateral damage to purchase this
"peace"? How many of our sons and daughters will die
in order for the Controllers to achieve their
insidious ends?
It's beyond horrible to consider.
My son recently informed me that he intends to enlist
in the Army in November when he turns 17. He has
already spoken with an Army recruiter. Like so many
other young people his age, my son has bought into the
"Illusions of the Machine". He feels strong,
invincible, and is all "gung ho" to go into a combat
situation to "protect America" from terrorists. The
extent of his misperception is incredible. How many
of our young men and women are feeding into this crap?
Too many, I imagine. While my son is trained in how
to use deadly weapons, will he realize that someday he
may be ordered to use them against his own people?
Has he considered this possibility? No. My son is
not politically aware of how the Machine operates and
who is truly in command. . He simply sees the
opportunity to jump into the fray, travel to distant
lands, and dress up like G. I. Joe, probably imagining
he is "Rambo". He envisions excitement and danger
and a break from monotony. He likes the idea of being
a "hero".
What I would really like to do is take my son to
Washington, D.C. and let him check out the Korean War
Memorial and the Vietnam War Memorial Wall. Perhaps
some of his perceptions would change if he could look
at the faces of war, if he could feel the pain and
horror of war, if he could taste the blood of war.
The Korean War Memorial has a wall of its own. On it
is inscribed a simple sentence: "Freedom Is Not
Free." My son has no concept of this sentence at this
point. If he joins the Army in November, he is in for
one hell of a rude awakening.
Sadly, it is this feeling of invincibility that is
all too prevalent in our society today. Americans do
not believe anything can touch them or hurt them. Not
really. Many of our people are still disconnected
from the big picture, simply because nothing horrible
is happening in their own backyards. I hearken back
to 9/11/2001, and remember the disconnection of some
of the people in my life to that unforgettable mass
murder. I couldn't believe it then, and I still have
a hard time with it. America, when are you going to
realize that what happens to SOME of us happens to ALL
of us?
Our young men and women are steadily disappearing into
Bush's War Machine, where they will be forever
changed. They don't realize just WHO they're fighting
FOR. They don't know because our fine military
leaders aren't going to tell them. They don't need to
know because our war-crazy leadership isn't going to
tell them either. They are viewed as "dumb, stupid
animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy",
remember? And still they enlist, never realizing
perhaps, until it's too late, that they've put their
very lives in jeopardy for the true "evildoers", the
plutocrats designing this war to suit their heinous
schemes.
These "dumb, stupid animals" are OUR children and
they're being shipped out and set up to die on
foreign soil. How does this sit with you? It makes
my blood BOIL. And while I will do my best to
dissolve the smoke & mirrors clouding my son's
thinking, the writing is already on the wall. The
Machine wants to chew up another "dumb, stupid animal"
- my child.
I'd like to ask Henry Kissinger to personally explain
his statement to me and all the other American mothers
and fathers out there whose children are gearing up to
fight this obscene war under false pretenses.
My message to George Bush and the rest of the lunatic
Machine is:
I'll see you all in HELL. Don't be late.
================
Item #2:
February 23, 2003
AMERICA
Wages of Empire
By Patrick J. Buchanan,
(author of "A Republic, Not an Empire" and editor of the American
Conservative.)
WASHINGTON -- To the acolytes of American empire, the invasion of
Iraq is but Act I in the exhilarating unfolding drama of the 21st
century. All the "Islamo-fascist" regimes of the Middle East and
northern Africa -- Iran, Syria, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Libya -- are to
follow Saddam Hussein's onto the landfill of history. As democracy
was imposed on Japan by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, so shall it be
imposed upon them all.
That is the vision of the neoconservatives to whom George W. Bush
incarnates their Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Winston Churchill. Yet,
their disillusionment is certain, for they misread the man and the
times.
True, the relative power of the United States exceeds Britain's at
the height of its empire. But this war to "liberate" Iraq and
reshape it in our own image has already called into existence
countervailing forces that stand athwart our path to empire.
The first is the force of world opinion. To protest a U.S. war on
Iraq without U.N. Security Council sanction, there were million-
person marches last week in the streets of the capitals of our
staunchest allies, Spain, Italy, Britain. Polls show that huge
majorities of Europeans oppose a U.S. war without U.N. sanction.
Among Arabs and Turks, the opposition is visceral and well-nigh
universal. We are as isolated as the Brits at the time of the Boer
War. It is the height of hubris to believe America can indefinitely
defy the whole world.
Even if Iraqis initially welcome U.S. soldiers as liberators, within
months there will be Islamic bombers willing to die to drive us out,
as they drove the French out of Algeria, the Israelis out of
Lebanon, the Marines out of Beirut. While the Arab and Islamic
worlds did not succeed in many endeavors in the 20th century, they
did excel in terrorizing and expelling all the old imperial powers.
Our turn is next.
Neoconservatives came to their editors' cubicles a century too late.
Peoples everywhere have internalized Thomas Jefferson's dictum that
all governments derive their just powers from the consent of the
governed, and Wilson's gospel about all peoples being entitled to
self-determination. This idea has taken root in the hearts of men:
better to fight than be ruled by foreigners.
We may see American hegemony as benevolent. Is it not clear the
world does not?
Already, Cold War friends and allies are revisiting the issue of
whether the protection afforded by the presence of U.S. troops on
their national soil is worth the price paid in alienation from their
own peoples.
According to the New York Times, Crown Prince Abdullah will ask for
withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Saudi Arabia at the end of the
Iraq war.
The new president of South Korea was elected on a pledge to review
the U.S. troop presence there. The Pakistanis want us out, and,
after 60 years of occupation, even the Okinawans wish to be rid of
us.
Nor should we resist the eviction orders, for the terrorists are
only over here because we are over there.
Worldwide, the anti-American card has become a trump. Herr Gerhard
Schroeder played it deftly to rescue himself from certain defeat in
the German elections. And while Americans may be boycotting French
wines, French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin is a more
celebrated figure in Old Europe than Colin L. Powell, let alone Bush.
And the staggering bill for empire has just begun to come in. Not
only are Japan, Germany and Saudi Arabia unwilling to pay the cost
of this war, as they did for Desert Storm, they are not in any
condition to do so. Nor does the United States, staring at deficits
of $300 billion to $400 billion, have the means to subsidize an
empire.
The cost of invading and rebuilding Iraq has been put at $100
billion to $200 billion by Bush's former economic advisor. That was
last year.
More recent estimates have soared. Will Americans pay this immense
sum to reconstruct and "democratize" Iraq?
With California mulling higher taxes and firing workers to cover a
$35-billion deficit, how long will taxpayers tolerate shakedowns
like Ankara's demand for as much as $30 billion for U.S. troops to
transit Turkey and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's demand for
$15 billion in foreign aid and loan guarantees to hold our coat?
Neoconservatives assure us that once Arab peoples see our
destructive power rain down on Iraq, they will line up with the
winner and accept our hegemony. But if such power has not brought
respect for Israel in Lebanon or on the West Bank, what guarantee is
there it will make American occupiers revered or loved?
History teaches otherwise. Five years after the United States had
reduced to smoldering ashes the greatest empire Asia had seen in
centuries, little North Korea, which did not even exist in 1945,
launched an invasion to throw the Americans off the peninsula and
out of Asia. World champions never lack for challengers.
Our own history teaches us this. A dozen years after the British
army had defeated our enemies in the French and Indian War, American
patriots were shooting British soldiers on the Concord Road.
George Washington wept with joy at America's alliance with France in
1777, but a year after Yorktown, American agents were back-
channeling Brits in Paris to conclude a separate peace.
As for the Bush Doctrine -- "We will not allow the world's worst
dictators to get the world's worst weapons" -- it is already going
the way of William McKinley's "open door." With Russian assistance,
Iran is building nuclear plants it does not need and mining uranium.
North Korea, with a secret uranium- enrichment program running and a
plutonium reactor being refired, is openly taunting and defying the
president. The American response to date: repeated assurances that
neither sanctions nor military strikes are being considered.
Given the immense time, energy, resources and costs -- financial and
political -- of Bush's drive to disarm a weak, isolated Iraq, will
the president, when Baghdad is occupied, press on against other
regimes, which are not under U.N. sanction?
Where will he get his authority to go after Iran, Syria or Libya, as
Sharon and his Amen Corner demand? In Iraq, the president has the
cover of U.N. resolutions. Will the Brits be with us when we go
after Iran?
Will British Prime Minister Tony Blair be up for a second adventure?
Who will be with us if we attack North Korea to disarm it? Can the
United States tread alone the path to empire in a world where the
United States is believed by much of mankind to be itself the great
threat to world peace?
Imperialism is an idea whose time has come and gone, and, in any
event, we Americans were lousy imperialists. We lacked the
tradition, the will to rule other peoples, the perseverance
required. We had not occupied the Philippines a few years before
Theodore Roosevelt, champion of annexation, wished to be rid of it.
No, empire is not our future, or our fate. The braying Beltway
interventionists are only advancing the day when this generation too
will rid itself of empire and America returns to the foreign policy
written in its history and heart: the friend to freedom everywhere
but the vindicator only of our own.
That way lies long life for the republic. To hell with empire.
===========
In 1983, Donald Rumsfeld was in Baghdad asking the Iraqi leader if he
could
reopen the US embassy. Rebuilding Iraq will require "a sustained
commitment
from many nations" but "we will remain in Iraq as long as necessary
and not
a day more". How extraordinary. For these are precisely the same words
used
by Israel when it invaded Lebanon in 1982. It took Israel 22 years and
hundreds of Israeli lives - and thousands of Arab lives - before that
occupation ended
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=382362
==========
ABU DHABI - The United States will not be satisfied with toppling
Saddam
Hussein, but also seeks to change other regimes throughout the Arab
world.
Richard Perle, chairman of the U.S. Defense Advisory Board, said the
regimes
include those in Iran, Libya and Syria. Perle told Arab journalists
during a
trip to London last week that the U.S. tactic would differ for each
country.
Perle, who is close to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is said to
be one
of the architects in the Bush administration on the policy of the
toppling
of the Saddam regime, Middle East Newsline reported. He has played a
leading, if behind-the-scenes role in diplomatic, political and
military
aspects of the current Iraqi-U.S. confrontation as well as the war
against
terrorism.
=======
Here are a few reasons why we can be sure that the Pentagon attack was
an
inside job with the complicity of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bush, Cheney
etc.
Let's call it
The Dick Eastman Brief on the Pentagon Murders
1. The hole is too small. Only ten feet across (under just two
Pentagon
windows of the third floor -- see picture.) The Priest who saw "a
plane"
hit and walked from the freeway to the crash site to help victims said
that
all the flame appeared to be coming from just "two windows."
(confirming the
photo evidence I resented -- and the fact that the inner walls
perpendicular
to the outer wall were not brought down by airloiner engines or by
anything
else.) This is the "French proof."
2. The security cam video recording, in frame #1 released by the DoD
shows
the tail fin of the killer jet, but where the long fuselage of the 757
that
would be projecting ahead of that tail is simply not there -- the
plane in
the picture is less than seven lengths of the tail fin shown (if lined
up
stegasaurus style), whereas the fuselage of the Boeing extends seven
tail
fin lengths from the tail fin to the nose).
Write to me, anyone, I'll send you the video clip immediately on
outlook
express hotmail immediatly -- or check my pages at APFN.) This is the
"Stegasaurus proof."
3. The video shows a definite missilbe plume -- the F-16 (or
comparable
fighter jet) fired a missile to make the hole through which the plane
disappeared -- to ensure that there would not be any fighter jet
debris
bounced back on the line to give away the coverup. The smoke plume
trail is
unmistakably that of a ground to air missile -- see pictures of an
F-16
firing a ground to air missile to produce exactly this kind of plume
at my
APFN page
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm (towards the bottom of the
page,
after all the witness statements etc.) This is the "Missile plume
proof."
4. The killer jet could not be in two places at once! The plane was
either
over the cemetery (and over the gardener's head as he claims; and just
100
feet from Steve Riskus as it crossed the road in front of his car as
he has
written to me, and seen going striaght in (i.e., at 90 degrees) -- OR
it
was in line with the downed lamp posts (on the Washington Blvd
overpass and
cloverleaf entrances and exits for the Pentagon parking lot) and with
the
outer-wall entry hole and the sixth-wall hole (in the "C-ring")
through
which the single engine exited and came to rest. It would be
impossible for
a Boeing 757 to have been over the cemetery and/or the Naval Annex
just
south of the cemetery (as witnesses on the Columbia Pike place it) --
where
a straight line to the crash point would hit at nearly and 85 degree
ngle -- but somehow get realigned so that it approaches the crash
point
(the two holes in the walls mentioned) from a 50 degree angle through
those
five lamp posts at the cloverleaf interchange. "This is the
"Alignment
Proof."
5. A boeing 757 could not have downed those lamp posts sitting on an
overpass above the level of the roof of the Pentagon, then dipped down
and
leveled out perfectly at 6 or 7 feet above the lawn in time to be
caught by
the security camera video in perfect horizontal low-level flight when
it was
still half way across the lawn from the crash point!!!! ONLY A
TACTICAL
FIGHTER LIKE THE F-16 COULD HAVE DONE THAT!!!!! (i.e., a Boeing 757
could
not dip from the overpass and then perfectly level out at 6 or 7 feet
over
a distance that was only three times the length of its fuselage -- it
had to
be a smaller, much more maneuverable tactical fighter.) This is the
"3-D
proof."
6. Only one engine hit the building according to all evidence.
a) only one hole in the wall, and a narrow one -- ENOUGH ONLY
FOR A
FUSELAGE AN ENGINE IN IT -- NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR A BOEING WHAT SITS
SIX
PASSENGERS ACROSS AND HAS TWO MASSIVE TITANIUM ENGINES UNDER ITS WINGS
TEN
FEET BETWEEN THE FUSELAGE!!!! Remember the hole is only 10 feet
across --
with interior walls perpendicular to the outer wall in tact on either
side!!!!)
b) only one engine photographed by FEMA (or by anyone else) amid
the
rubble
c) only one engine photographed or reported being lifted out of
the
wreckage during cleanup (engines are not easily portable, they are not
easily sneaked in like wheels and struts)
This is the "Single-engine proof."
7. There is a bi-polar distribution of what was seen by witnesses
(see my
page at APFN for all of these witness reports -- not including my
letter
from Riskus -- which I received after that page was posted) -- showing
that
some saw the Beoing come in over the Annex and cemetery while others
had the
killer jet come over their cars on highway 395 -- they heard it go
over
their heads, then looked out their windows and saw the Boeing (which
by then
had passed the cemetery and was converging with the killer jet upon
the
target point, except that the killer jet was flying at six feet as it
crossed the lawn and the Boeing at 80 feet as the latter got over the
building, immediately hidden by the bright blast and subsequent thick
smoke
of the crash below it -- and in less than a minute it was over Reagan
National Airport where it landed etc. See the apfn page for more on
this.)
This is the "Bi-polar witness conflict proof."
8. The inappropriately white-hot initial explosion. A Phantom jet,
in an
experiment was crashed into a giant solid block of concrete where it
made a
very small white-hot explosion. But the blast shown in frame two of
the
security camera footage shows white hot-explosion that is over 100
feet
igh -- indicative of the high-explosive warhead of an air-to-ground
missile
(see the Missile Plume proof, above.) -- Could a Boeing 575 hitting
the
Pentagon wall made that giant super-high enery blast captured on video
tape?
Consider: The killer jet went through six walls! That means that,
unlike
the crashing Phantom jet which made only a small white-hot explosion
(a
meter across or so) impacted with a solid wall that did not yield, so
that
every bit of the kinetic energy went into pulverizing concrete and
plane on
the spot -- whereas the first wall of the Pentagon that was hit gave
way
(forgetting that this wall was softened by a missile before the
fighter jet
went through remember -- but we are testing the "official version"
assumptions here, remember), so that most of the kinetic energy
continued
with the still moving fuselage and with the pieces of wall that went
flying
back when hit -- and this happened through six walls, the last being
the
innermost wall of the C-ring. Slower than the Phantom and pushing
through a
wall --THROUGH ONLY A CIRCLE OF WALL THREE METERS IN DIAMETER!!! -- so
that
there could not have been the tremndous material stresses -- the
conversion
of all that kinetic energy to heat energy at a single point to make
even a
small white-hot explosion like that seen. This is the "White-hot
explosion proof."
9 . Air traffic controllers report the attacking plane behaving like
a jet
fighter before it dipped below radar (the only way they could track
it,
since transponders were mysteriously deactivated -- preventing
identification of aircraft being observed -- all they had was a blip
-- a
blip that behaved like a jet fighter!) "This is the "Blip behavior"
evidence.
TO this we can add all of the corroborating proofs amassed by 9-11
investigator Gerard Holmgren (previously provided -- see yesterday's
message).
Also, we have the exposure of deliberately planted false evidence --
for
example the piece from an American Airlines Boeing that could only
come from
the starboard side that was found two hundred feet to the PORT side of
the
approaching plane -- a non-aerodynamic piece that could not have
gotten
their any more than you could throw the unfolded page of a newspaper
across
a basketball court!!! A definite plant. (check my apfn page for
details,
photos proving this) -- mysteriously there were 50 FBI guys on the
scene
immediately picking up confetti debris (see
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart ) but only one piece was left for
photographers -- that planted piece with the AA lettering (from the
wrong
side of the plane-- as investigators later noticed)-- that has since
disappeared for all time!!!!
Anyone who calls a moron, a loon, a leftist, an arab-lover any and
all who
are moved to question the official story on the basis of this hard
information -- exposes himself as part of the criminal coverup of this
mass
murder operation. Gooding, Angel Elf, Agent86, Pigpiss and Don Ocean
--
the guard dogs of the Bush-related newsgroup threads seem to fit this
bill.
They intimidate people into keeping their mouths shut about what they
are
convinced of -- but not everyone -- some speak the truth despite the
certain ridicule and the unstated threat -- and when enough do this
-- the
damn will break -- and Gooding and Ocean will be changing places with
some
innocent goat hearders at Guantanamo (where they will join some of the
finest people in society -- so don't feel sorry for them.)
Everyman (is responsible to every other man)
==========
Also:
Everyman,
I invite you to visit
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=55364&group=webcast ,
http://dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=53078&group=webcast ,
and
http://ottawa.indymedia.ca/2003/02/2127.shtml to see what I've been up
to;
and you certainly should go to http://www.indymedia.org to read about
all of
the direct action taking place in Europe against the US Empire. If you
recall, the Nazis were never convicted of the Reichstag fire; they
were
nailed for their crimes against humanity at Nuremberg. (The Avalon
Project
is the place to go for Nuremberg info
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm) This is the likely fate
of
Bush et al and is what the global movement against them is pushing
for. They
have miscalculated, and the revolution is afoot to overthrow Empire
once and
for all. (For a great speech about this go to
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=51&ItemID=2919).
This
doesn't mean that I think we should stop pursuing them for their
responsibility for 911; I think we need to get them on whatever we can
to
stop their mania and then finish nailing them for the rest of their
crimes.
KS
Also:
Everyman,
I invite you to visit
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=55364&group=webcast ,
http://dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=53078&group=webcast ,
and http://ottawa.indymedia.ca/2003/02/2127.shtml to see what I've
been up to; and you certainly should go to http://www.indymedia.org to
read about all of the direct action taking place in Europe against the
US Empire. If you recall, the Nazis were never convicted of the
Reichstag fire; they were nailed for their crimes against humanity at
Nuremberg. (The Avalon Project is the place to go for Nuremberg info
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm) This is the likely fate
of Bush et al and is what the global movement against them is pushing
for. They have miscalculated, and the revolution is afoot to overthrow
Empire once and for all. (For a great speech about this go to
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=51&ItemID=2919).
This doesn't mean that I think we should stop pursuing them for their
responsibility for 911; I think we need to get them on whatever we can
to stop their mania and then finish nailing them for the rest of their
crimes.
KS
StromThurman
note on how sad it is that they died for such a stupid worthless cause
like Islamic fundamentalism.
How if only someone had preached the gospel to them, they might have
saved their own lives as well as all those other people's. How they
might have someday married a white girl and bred lots of bastard
children with them, then kicked them to the curb, how they might have
enjoyed our freedom and danced in our Disco's to Elton John and Abba.
How they might have bought a gas station or convenience store, and one
day HIRED 3000 heretics instead of killing them, and paid them minumum
wage, how they could have found better ways to humiliate americans, if
only they hadn't lost hope.
so sad.
Durran
of EIC. Thats where people that work that hard get your tax dollars instead
of them stayin g in your pocket where they belong. I believe in charity but
geeze let me decide who i give my money to.
"Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:3E60A243...@localnet.com...
Dave M.
your heroes, the French, make a 180 degree turn and demand to be in on
dividing up the spoils of a conquered Iraq once Americans ignore them
and finally make it happen.
If your talking about debt payment distribution post democratization of
Iraq, that plan is in the works.
Dave M.
creosote <Jagge...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:e9d4fd66.03022...@posting.google.com...
Steven Litvintchouk
ROBW wrote:
>
> Please help me with this one..........
>
> the spire is to be 1776 feet to honour the revolution?
>
> the buildings will be built to perfectly reflect the sun on the morning of
> 9-11 each year? (
Correct on both counts.
Steven Litvintchouk
Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>
> Roedy Green wrote:
> > The new design is taller than ever.
>
> Yeah, New York needs a lot more unrented office space.
The new design provides for 7.5 million square feet of office space,
which is LESS than the 10 million square feet that the old WTC
provided--and that was fully rented.
Jeffrey Turner
> If your talking about debt payment distribution post democratization of
> Iraq, that plan is in the works.
Post-democritization of Iraq? You should live so long.
--We the Irrelevant of the United Nations
Julian D.
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>SWMyers wrote:
>>
>> "Roedy Green" wrote
>> > >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
>> > >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
>> >
>> > I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
>> > killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
>>
>> The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
>> cowards that we rebuild and move on.
>
>Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
>
>He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
>
>If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
>East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
>
>Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
>Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
>9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
>going to exterminate.
That would be swell.
JD
Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike (excerpt)
December 16th 1998
CLINTON:
Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and
security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their
mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons
programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their
purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and
indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around
the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his
neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological
weapons......
Source:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
"100% of the successful terrorist attacks on
commercial airlines for 20 years have been committed
by Arabs. When there is a 100% chance, it ceases to
be a profile. It's called a 'description of the
suspect.'" - Ann Coulter
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002
'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
-Me
'Conservatives believe IN America, liberals believe in and worry about
what other countries SAY about America.'
-Me
"Democrats claim they haven't seen proof yet that
Saddam is a direct threat to the United States.
For laughs, let's suppose they're right. In the
naysayers' worst-case scenario, the United States
would be acting precipitously to remove a ruthless
dictator who tortures his own people."
- Ann Coulter
Julian D.
wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
><sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
>>
>>He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
>>
>>If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
>>East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
>>
>>Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
>>Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
>>9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
>>going to exterminate.
>
>Feverish again? Those blue balls from your long-delayed wargasm must
>be a real pain. I'm going to chalk this charming little encouragement
>to commit the greatest crime against humanity up till now to your
>discomfort.
>
>One more time though and I'm calling a mental health professional near
>you to check you out.
>
>It's for your own good. No one is naturally this demented.
Bush is carrying the fight to them. We'll not be another Israel
waiting each day for another homicide-bomber or other atrocity on our
mainland. If it pisses other countries off, F 'em.
SWMyers
> Muslims are aware of how wide spread beliefs like this are in the
> United States, many read English and the Internet is available freely
> in Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Turkey, and many other countries. Likely
> this post will be found by a search of google in the arab world.
>
> Then they see what happen to Afgahanistan. Then they hear Bush say we
> are going to turn Iraq in to a democracy, but they know the truth.
> This is a war of racial revenge. The killers of 9-11 were mostly
> Suadis and we can't attack and kill Suadis because we need their oil,
> so we are going to attack Iraq.
>
> Most rascist (ie Republicans) don't know or care about the difference.
> Humiliated and dead Arabs somewhere is all they want.
What happened in Afghanistan? We liberated it from the government that was
supporting terrorists, we gave it back to its people. Same deal Iraq will
get. The Arab world that pays attention would realize that. What we are
after is a stable region, in order to attain that those nations that
continue to wage war against their neighbors must be reigned in. Had Hussein
done what he was supposed to do after the 1st war, more than likely we
wouldn't be having this discussion. The problem gets much larger if we allow
it to become what North Korea has become. Iraq is a poor and enslaved
nation, they CAN be freed with minimal retribution. North Korea is the same
but IT has the capability to kill a few tens of millions of people, in order
to not kill those people they want food and money from the West.
That said, I think we ought to hunt down the terrorists and kill every last
one of them. We ought to put out a list with prices on their heads, and pay
off anyone that brings in the heads of the known terrorists. No Republican
wants dead Arabs, they want dead terrorists.
Julian D.
wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Mar 2003 22:50:14 -0500, Julian D. <ju...@ersatz.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>
>>>One more time though and I'm calling a mental health professional near
>>>you to check you out.
>>>
>>>It's for your own good. No one is naturally this demented.
>>
>>
>>Bush is carrying the fight to them. We'll not be another Israel
>>waiting each day for another homicide-bomber or other atrocity on our
>>mainland. If it pisses other countries off, F 'em.
>
>You looking for a two fer one deal?
No..an 'all of them dead' deal.
Dave Zero
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> SWMyers wrote:
>>>
>>> "Roedy Green" wrote
>>>>> When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like
>>>>> this you slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered
>>>>> 9/11/01. I
>>>>
>>>> I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those
>>>> people killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
>>>
>>> The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to
>>> the cowards that we rebuild and move on.
>>
>> Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
>>
>> He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
>>
>> If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the
>> Middle East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower
>> Manhattan.
>>
>> Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
>> Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a
>> memorial to 9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery
>> that America is going to exterminate.
>
>
> That would be swell.
Let's see how much we can get done using conventional explosives.
Lingering radiation levels from nukes might not only poison the oil but
affect tourism in a negative manner.
--
Dave Zero - dave...@mindspring.com jesusofth...@hotmail.com
The Encyclopedia Tetrica: http://tetrica.com/tiz/
"And I don't care about making an ass of myself because most
people already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
"It is not the critic that counts; not the man who points out how
the strong man stumbles or the doer of deeds could have them
better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the
arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again,
because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but he
who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great
devotion; who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the
best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and
who at the worst, if he fails while daring greatly, knows that his
place shall never be with those cold and timid souls, who know
neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not
gather with me scatters." - Jesus Christ
Steven Litvintchouk
"Julian D." wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >SWMyers wrote:
> >>
> >> "Roedy Green" wrote
> >> > >When terrorist sympathizers like you make ignorant remarks like this you
> >> > >slap the faces of the 3000 people who were murdered 9/11/01. I
> >> >
> >> > I wanted a permanent memorial in the form of a lake for those people
> >> > killed in 9-11. The new building says "business as usual".
> >>
> >> The best memorial for the people killed would be to demonstrate to the
> >> cowards that we rebuild and move on.
> >
> >Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
> >
> >He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
> >
> >If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> >East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
> >
> >Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
> >Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
> >9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
> >going to exterminate.
>
> That would be swell.
Of course, we should give the civilian citizens of Baghdad ample time to
evacuate the city before we nuke it.
I'm a COMPASSIONATE conservative.
Steven Litvintchouk
Mark Cresky wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:17:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
> <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Roedy Green does not want America to rebuild and move on.
> >
> >He wants an America permanently paralyzed.
> >
> >If there are going to be any memorial lakes, they belong in the Middle
> >East from whence the 9-11 savages originated, not in Lower Manhattan.
> >
> >Let's nuke Baghdad, blow up the dams over the Tigris and Euphrates
> >Rivers, and turn the site into one big memorial lake. Not a memorial to
> >9-11, but a memorial to fundamentalist Islamist savagery that America is
> >going to exterminate.
>
> Feverish again? Those blue balls from your long-delayed wargasm must
> be a real pain. I'm going to chalk this charming little encouragement
> to commit the greatest crime against humanity up till now to your
> discomfort.
Of course, I would insist that we give ample time for the civilian
citizens of Baghdad to completely evacuate the city before we nuke it.
Our surveillance satellites and on-the-spot CNN coverage will verify
that the city has been completely evacuated before we give the order.
Julian D.
heh..that half-life stuff will surely take a bit longer than waiting
for your refund check to plan a vacation in that area!
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The Dirty War against Iraq Depleted Uranium Facts for All the World to See.
http://www.benjaminforiraq.org/contaminazioneitaly.htm
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Transcript of Meeting Between Iraqi President, Saddam Hussein and U.S.
Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie. - July 25, 1990 (Eight days before
the August 2, 1990 Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/april.html
Tempest
Mark Cresky wrote:
>
> On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 05:20:37 GMT, "SWMyers"
> <swm...@nospam.scorchmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >What happened in Afghanistan? We liberated it from the government that was
> >supporting terrorists, we gave it back to its people.
>
> Please describe how this was accomplished?
>
> Last I heard - Warlords were in charge of their respective areas and
> Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters were back.
Technically he is right.
We gave gave it back to its people, whose leaders are a bunch of
murderous, drug dealing thugs. And they support terrorists too.
--
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired,
signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
ulTRAX
> The new design is taller than ever.
>
>
> It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
> cutting day.
Though a part of me wishes that the old NYC skyline would be
restored... I happen to like the new design. It's high concept that
balances respect, tourism, with business. If it's ever built it is a
place I'd love to visit.
NYC is a great city. It and the US deserve a symbol that we won't bow
to some murderous thugs who want to return the world to the 7th
century. Going for the world highest building is the equivalent of
giving terrorists the finger... yet the business end of the new design
is more dispersed and less a centralized target.... and what would be
the point of attacking a low value target like the garden in the
spire?
Geo
LabMonkey wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:19:58 -0500, Geo <g...@sdf.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The only wildlife I consider to exist in central park are the criminals
>>who routinly do their evil deeds there.
>
>
> Spoken like an idiot who doesn't use the park in question on a regular basis.
>
> Get a clue, moron, and don't get all your facts from TV shows.
My my, someone has their pink panties in a wad today don't they?
>
> LAB
>
>
> alt.binaries.monter-movies FAQ: http://abm-mfaq.bbandit.dk/
> alt.binaries.multimedia.scifi FAQ: http://www.sugarat.org/abmsf-faq.html
>
Steven Litvintchouk
ulTRAX wrote:
>
> Roedy Green <ro...@mindprod.com> wrote in message news:<ctdu5vgfdq2s82voa...@4ax.com>...
> > The new design is taller than ever.
> >
> > Symbolically, the tower is a giant shoulder with a chip on it.
> >
> > It will probably be destroyed by terrorists shortly after ribbon
> > cutting day.
>
> Though a part of me wishes that the old NYC skyline would be
> restored... I happen to like the new design. It's high concept that
> balances respect, tourism, with business. If it's ever built it is a
> place I'd love to visit.
I agree 100%.
We could not rebuild the old WTC complex anyway. The exact footprints
of where the Twin Towers stood must not have ANYTHING built on top of
them, let alone two new skyscrapers. Because those footprints are the
symbolic GRAVES of hundreds of innocent people. To build on top of
those footprints would be like building a shopping mall on top of a
cemetery. (cf. the movie "Poltergeist")
The Libeskind design leaves those original footprints alone,
fortunately.