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Prisoner Hillary Clinton
Jul 27, 2022, 3:50:03 PM7/27/22
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In article <rutdg9$rdp$5...@neodome.net>
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
He says his administration has nothing to do with it
President Biden on Monday said Russian President Vladimir Putin
and the COVID-19 pandemic are to blame for record-high inflation
in the United States and maintained that rising prices have
"nothing to do" with his administration’s policies.
The president spoke Monday at the National League of Cities
Congressional Cities Conference and addressed the increase in
U.S. gas prices, as well as every day household items.
"We know that families are still struggling with higher prices,"
Biden said. "Let's be absolutely clear about why prices are high
now or high for two reasons."
The first, Biden said, is due to "the way the global economy
works."
"A factory in Taiwan that makes computer chips shuts down to a
COVID outbreak. It causes a ripple effect to slow down auto-
manufacturing," Biden said. "So, because of the pandemic, we had
significant disruption disruptions in the supply chain, and our
supply chain is so important with so many materials that come
from other places."
"And now, a second big reason for inflation is Vladimir Putin,"
Biden said.
"We've seen the price of gas go up over a dollar just since he
put his troops on the border on the border of Ukraine — they
went up a dollar and five cents," Biden said.
"Big part of that reason is Putin began amassing troops along
the border and then crossed. And guess what? The world took
notice," Biden said. "The market anticipated, prices went up,
and then Putin invaded."
He added: "Make no mistake, the current spike in gas prices is
largely the fault of Vladimir Putin — it has nothing to do with
the American Rescue Plan."
Biden said that "rescuing our economy didn’t cause this
problem," but he vowed to "fix it."
"We’re building this economy from the bottom up, in the middle
out, and something incredible is happening," he said. "We’re
seeing revival like never before — the pride that comes from
stamping products ‘Made in America.’"
Meanwhile, inflation hit a fresh 40-year high in February. The
consumer price index climbed 7.9% on an annual basis, according
to data released on Thursday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Month over month, according to the data, inflation rose 0.8%.
The year-over-year reading is in line with estimates and
compares with an annual 7.5% jump in January, marking the
fastest increase since February 1982, when inflation hit 7.6%.
Gas jumped 6.6% in February and accounted for almost a third of
price hikes, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics data
released Thursday. Food prices, in comparison, rose by 1%.
The February data were recorded before the start of the Russia-
Ukraine conflict, which has pushed prices at the pump to $4.31
as of today, according to AAA, a record high.
Biden last week announced a ban on all imports of Russian oil,
gas and energy to the United States, targeting the "main artery"
of Russia's economy amid Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war
on Ukraine. Biden warned that the ban would cost American
families.
Russian oil exports account for about one-third of Europe’s oil
imports, but Russian exports are just under 10% of U.S. overall
imports.
Amid surging gas prices, Biden has been facing criticism from
Republicans, who have urged him to lift his executive orders
that canceled the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada and froze new
oil and gas leases on federal lands.
Last week, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said restarting
construction of the Keystone XL pipeline was not one of the
options on the table to alleviate rising costs of gas for
Americans.
"If we’re trying to bring about more supply, that does not
address any problem," Psaki said. "The pipeline is just a
delivery mechanism — it’s not an oil field, so it does not
provide more supply into the system."
When pressed further on whether restarting the pipeline is
something the White House is considering, Psaki replied,
"There’s no plans for that, and it would not address any of the
problems we’re having currently."
Biden last week said it is "not true" that his administration is
holding back domestic energy production, warning that gas prices
will "go up further" from their current record levels. And he
reiterated his support for government spending on renewable
energy sources and criticized the oil and gas industry for not
taking full advantage of drilling opportunities in the U.S.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-blames-putin-covid-for-
record-high-inflation-in-us
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
He says his administration has nothing to do with it
President Biden on Monday said Russian President Vladimir Putin
and the COVID-19 pandemic are to blame for record-high inflation
in the United States and maintained that rising prices have
"nothing to do" with his administration’s policies.
The president spoke Monday at the National League of Cities
Congressional Cities Conference and addressed the increase in
U.S. gas prices, as well as every day household items.
"We know that families are still struggling with higher prices,"
Biden said. "Let's be absolutely clear about why prices are high
now or high for two reasons."
The first, Biden said, is due to "the way the global economy
works."
"A factory in Taiwan that makes computer chips shuts down to a
COVID outbreak. It causes a ripple effect to slow down auto-
manufacturing," Biden said. "So, because of the pandemic, we had
significant disruption disruptions in the supply chain, and our
supply chain is so important with so many materials that come
from other places."
"And now, a second big reason for inflation is Vladimir Putin,"
Biden said.
"We've seen the price of gas go up over a dollar just since he
put his troops on the border on the border of Ukraine — they
went up a dollar and five cents," Biden said.
"Big part of that reason is Putin began amassing troops along
the border and then crossed. And guess what? The world took
notice," Biden said. "The market anticipated, prices went up,
and then Putin invaded."
He added: "Make no mistake, the current spike in gas prices is
largely the fault of Vladimir Putin — it has nothing to do with
the American Rescue Plan."
Biden said that "rescuing our economy didn’t cause this
problem," but he vowed to "fix it."
"We’re building this economy from the bottom up, in the middle
out, and something incredible is happening," he said. "We’re
seeing revival like never before — the pride that comes from
stamping products ‘Made in America.’"
Meanwhile, inflation hit a fresh 40-year high in February. The
consumer price index climbed 7.9% on an annual basis, according
to data released on Thursday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Month over month, according to the data, inflation rose 0.8%.
The year-over-year reading is in line with estimates and
compares with an annual 7.5% jump in January, marking the
fastest increase since February 1982, when inflation hit 7.6%.
Gas jumped 6.6% in February and accounted for almost a third of
price hikes, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics data
released Thursday. Food prices, in comparison, rose by 1%.
The February data were recorded before the start of the Russia-
Ukraine conflict, which has pushed prices at the pump to $4.31
as of today, according to AAA, a record high.
Biden last week announced a ban on all imports of Russian oil,
gas and energy to the United States, targeting the "main artery"
of Russia's economy amid Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war
on Ukraine. Biden warned that the ban would cost American
families.
Russian oil exports account for about one-third of Europe’s oil
imports, but Russian exports are just under 10% of U.S. overall
imports.
Amid surging gas prices, Biden has been facing criticism from
Republicans, who have urged him to lift his executive orders
that canceled the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada and froze new
oil and gas leases on federal lands.
Last week, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said restarting
construction of the Keystone XL pipeline was not one of the
options on the table to alleviate rising costs of gas for
Americans.
"If we’re trying to bring about more supply, that does not
address any problem," Psaki said. "The pipeline is just a
delivery mechanism — it’s not an oil field, so it does not
provide more supply into the system."
When pressed further on whether restarting the pipeline is
something the White House is considering, Psaki replied,
"There’s no plans for that, and it would not address any of the
problems we’re having currently."
Biden last week said it is "not true" that his administration is
holding back domestic energy production, warning that gas prices
will "go up further" from their current record levels. And he
reiterated his support for government spending on renewable
energy sources and criticized the oil and gas industry for not
taking full advantage of drilling opportunities in the U.S.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-blames-putin-covid-for-
record-high-inflation-in-us
Scout
Jul 28, 2022, 7:53:47 AM7/28/22
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"Prisoner Hillary Clinton" <long-overdu...@clintonfoundation.org>
wrote in message news:0e36443663f493a1...@dizum.com...
> In article <rutdg9$rdp$5...@neodome.net>
> <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> He says his administration has nothing to do with it
>
> President Biden on Monday said Russian President Vladimir Putin
> and the COVID-19 pandemic are to blame for record-high inflation
> in the United States and maintained that rising prices have
> "nothing to do" with his administration's policies.
Horse apples...
> <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> He says his administration has nothing to do with it
>
> President Biden on Monday said Russian President Vladimir Putin
> and the COVID-19 pandemic are to blame for record-high inflation
> in the United States and maintained that rising prices have
> "nothing to do" with his administration's policies.
He started his term with a war on oil... oil drives our industry. It's not
just power, it's everything.
Plastics, Paints, Rubber, Chemicals, Cleaners, Detergents, virtually every
modern product involves oil.
For the rest, it doesn't move without oil. Supplies don't get to the
manufacturer, the products don't get to the distributers, they don't get to
your stores.
The price of oil impacts everything directly or indirectly.
When you send oil prices through the roof with your arbitrary, ignorant and
unilateral actions.. that will cause inflation throughout the market.. and
Joe is totally to blame for that.
governo...@gmail.com
Jul 29, 2022, 12:39:28 AM7/29/22
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started during Trump's years and gas prices began going up under Trump
as well.
Swill
--
Democrats make me feel ashamed of being American.
Republicans make me feel ashamed of being human.
Just Wondering
Jul 29, 2022, 2:02:06 PM7/29/22
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On 7/28/2022 10:38 PM, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
The rate passed 2.5% in March 2021, reached 5% in May, and has gone
steadily up, up, up ever since. Before Biden, the last time the rate
passed 3% was in November 2011 (an Obama year).
https://www.multpl.com/inflation/table/by-month
So, your attempt to pin inflation on the Trump administration is
hot air - the kind of hot air that you produce by passing gas.
> and gas prices began going up under Trump as well.
Not according to this, gas prices were trending steadily downward
from 2018 to first quarter 2020, well after Trump left office.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gasoline-prices
Oil prices increased as a direct result of Biden's
executive orders constricting domestic oil production,
which is a major driver of higher inflation rates.
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 07:45:19 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
>>
>> When you send oil prices through the roof with your arbitrary,
>> ignorant and unilateral actions.. that will cause inflation
>> throughout the market.. and Joe is totally to blame for that.
>
> Well, he's half right. His policies aren't driving prices.
> Inflation started during Trump's years
Inflation rates were low and fairly steady at under 2.3% during 2019.
>>
>> When you send oil prices through the roof with your arbitrary,
>> ignorant and unilateral actions.. that will cause inflation
>> throughout the market.. and Joe is totally to blame for that.
>
> Well, he's half right. His policies aren't driving prices.
> Inflation started during Trump's years
The rate passed 2.5% in March 2021, reached 5% in May, and has gone
steadily up, up, up ever since. Before Biden, the last time the rate
passed 3% was in November 2011 (an Obama year).
https://www.multpl.com/inflation/table/by-month
So, your attempt to pin inflation on the Trump administration is
hot air - the kind of hot air that you produce by passing gas.
> and gas prices began going up under Trump as well.
from 2018 to first quarter 2020, well after Trump left office.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gasoline-prices
Oil prices increased as a direct result of Biden's
executive orders constricting domestic oil production,
which is a major driver of higher inflation rates.
governo...@gmail.com
Jul 29, 2022, 8:11:56 PM7/29/22
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:02:04 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>Not according to this, gas prices were trending steadily downward
>from 2018 to first quarter 2020, well after Trump left office.
>https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gasoline-prices
Trump didn't leave office until 1Q 2021.
>Not according to this, gas prices were trending steadily downward
>from 2018 to first quarter 2020, well after Trump left office.
>https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gasoline-prices
You used the one year scale that only goes back to inauguration month
and ends last month before the gas price collapse. Try the five year
scale.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gasoline-prices
Note the price surge beginning in late 2020 BEFORE 2021. Then note
the explosion in prices in Feb 22 when Russia invaded Ukraine.
In anticipation of econut oil shortages that never quite happened,
speculators began running up the price of oil futures right after the
election. Now, when it's seen that the public isn't going to pay
these prices and the Democrats aren't closing oil wells after all, a
rapid collapse is in effect.
Gasoline has dropped a dollar a gallon in just the last month. This
graph will show a .25 per liter drop for July.
Circle K peaked at 4.79 cash last month (June) but is today 3.69 cash.
Walmart peaked at 4.59 in June but is 3.63 today.
Btw, why did you choose this European page as your cite?
Mitchell Holman
Jul 29, 2022, 10:20:04 PM7/29/22
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governo...@gmail.com wrote in news:3ns8ehdgu6du9kqgrfcf4v0ut1eufmus94
@4ax.com:
Gas prices go up all over the world,
all of which is Biden's doing.
Go figure..........................
Biden causes gas price rise!
In Israel -
https://tinyurl.com/yn8k826k
In Russia -
https://tinyurl.com/4v7jtncs
In Australia -
https://tinyurl.com/mtjx865k
In Japan
https://tinyurl.com/bdhr3tzv
In Iran
https://tinyurl.com/ycxr8yzm
In Argentina
https://tinyurl.com/2p853nvp
How does he do that?
@4ax.com:
all of which is Biden's doing.
Go figure..........................
Biden causes gas price rise!
In Israel -
https://tinyurl.com/yn8k826k
In Russia -
https://tinyurl.com/4v7jtncs
In Australia -
https://tinyurl.com/mtjx865k
In Japan
https://tinyurl.com/bdhr3tzv
In Iran
https://tinyurl.com/ycxr8yzm
In Argentina
https://tinyurl.com/2p853nvp
How does he do that?
governo...@gmail.com
Jul 30, 2022, 4:48:29 PM7/30/22
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>all of which is Biden's doing.
>
> Go figure..........................
>Biden causes gas price rise!
Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>all of which is Biden's doing.
>
> Go figure..........................
>Biden causes gas price rise!
downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
up here would put is in the three-forties.
Derek Lawrence
Jul 30, 2022, 8:42:19 PM7/30/22
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In article <XnsAEE3D9339A0AD...@69.80.101.16>, noe...@verizon.net says...
You said it honkey. Only dumb Democrats would put a crook SOB like Biden in office.
Mitchell Holman
Jul 30, 2022, 9:59:54 PM7/30/22
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governo...@gmail.com wrote in news:536beh5h9g67unc1ovo54in9lqcfnhqhpb@
4ax.com:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>
>> Go figure..........................
>
>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>
> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
> up here would put is in the three-forties.
Don't expent the Trumpists here to
spend any time talking about this.
U.S. gasoline prices are finally falling.
July 14, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-gasoline-prices-are-finally-
falling-why-2022-07-14/
Gas prices drop as fuel demand and oil prices go down
July 25, 2022
https://www.13newsnow.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/gas-prices-fuel-
demand-oil-prices-drop/291-5306adee-1cb9-4a75-bf61-67cb5599f939
4ax.com:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>
>> Go figure..........................
>
>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>
> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
> up here would put is in the three-forties.
spend any time talking about this.
U.S. gasoline prices are finally falling.
July 14, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-gasoline-prices-are-finally-
falling-why-2022-07-14/
Gas prices drop as fuel demand and oil prices go down
July 25, 2022
https://www.13newsnow.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/gas-prices-fuel-
demand-oil-prices-drop/291-5306adee-1cb9-4a75-bf61-67cb5599f939
NoBody
Jul 31, 2022, 10:13:45 AM7/31/22
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 16:47:09 -0400, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
><noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>
>> Go figure..........................
>
>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>
>Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>up here would put is in the three-forties.
>
>Swill
What collapse? The price increased from just over $2 to over $5. When
>On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
><noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>
>> Go figure..........................
>
>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>
>Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>up here would put is in the three-forties.
>
>Swill
reduced to the national average of $4.30 that's not a collapse. It's
still more than a doubling of gas prices (and we're still stealing
from the strategic reserver). I'll bet you're going with the new
definition of "recession" too.
NoBody
Jul 31, 2022, 10:14:38 AM7/31/22
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:59:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman
crumbs as Biden steals the entire cake.
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>governo...@gmail.com wrote in news:536beh5h9g67unc1ovo54in9lqcfnhqhpb@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>>
>>> Go figure..........................
>>
>>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>>
>> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>> up here would put is in the three-forties.
>
>
>
> Don't expent the Trumpists here to
>spend any time talking about this.
>
>
>
>U.S. gasoline prices are finally falling.
>July 14, 2022
>
>https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-gasoline-prices-are-finally-
>falling-why-2022-07-14/
>
>
>
>
>Gas prices drop as fuel demand and oil prices go down
>July 25, 2022
>
>https://www.13newsnow.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/gas-prices-fuel-
>demand-oil-prices-drop/291-5306adee-1cb9-4a75-bf61-67cb5599f939
The drop is nothing compared to the increase. Libs trumpet about
>governo...@gmail.com wrote in news:536beh5h9g67unc1ovo54in9lqcfnhqhpb@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>>
>>> Go figure..........................
>>
>>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>>
>> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>> up here would put is in the three-forties.
>
>
>
> Don't expent the Trumpists here to
>spend any time talking about this.
>
>
>
>U.S. gasoline prices are finally falling.
>July 14, 2022
>
>https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-gasoline-prices-are-finally-
>falling-why-2022-07-14/
>
>
>
>
>Gas prices drop as fuel demand and oil prices go down
>July 25, 2022
>
>https://www.13newsnow.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/gas-prices-fuel-
>demand-oil-prices-drop/291-5306adee-1cb9-4a75-bf61-67cb5599f939
crumbs as Biden steals the entire cake.
governo...@gmail.com
Jul 31, 2022, 1:59:35 PM7/31/22
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:59:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>governo...@gmail.com wrote
so posts a day from rightists complaining about Biden's high gas
prices and that he should do something about it.
Rightists HATE free markets when they make a Democrat look good.
Leftists hate free markets most of the time.
Swill
>U.S. gasoline prices are finally falling.
>July 14, 2022
>
>https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-gasoline-prices-are-finally-
>falling-why-2022-07-14/
>
>
>
>
>Gas prices drop as fuel demand and oil prices go down
>July 25, 2022
>
>https://www.13newsnow.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/gas-prices-fuel-
>demand-oil-prices-drop/291-5306adee-1cb9-4a75-bf61-67cb5599f939
>governo...@gmail.com wrote
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>>
>>> Go figure..........................
>>
>>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>>
>> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>> up here would put is in the three-forties.
> Don't expent the Trumpists here to
>spend any time talking about this.
I don't but I find it ironic that through June, there were a dozen or
>> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>>
>>> Go figure..........................
>>
>>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>>
>> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>> up here would put is in the three-forties.
> Don't expent the Trumpists here to
>spend any time talking about this.
so posts a day from rightists complaining about Biden's high gas
prices and that he should do something about it.
Rightists HATE free markets when they make a Democrat look good.
Leftists hate free markets most of the time.
Swill
>U.S. gasoline prices are finally falling.
>July 14, 2022
>
>https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-gasoline-prices-are-finally-
>falling-why-2022-07-14/
>
>
>
>
>Gas prices drop as fuel demand and oil prices go down
>July 25, 2022
>
>https://www.13newsnow.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/gas-prices-fuel-
>demand-oil-prices-drop/291-5306adee-1cb9-4a75-bf61-67cb5599f939
governo...@gmail.com
Jul 31, 2022, 2:02:11 PM7/31/22
to
by a dollar and a half (give or take) and now that more than half that
increase has evaporated in just a month, you still do nothing but
complain.
Apparently Joe knows what he's doing. He's letting the markets work
it out like a REAL conservative would.
governo...@gmail.com
Jul 31, 2022, 2:03:51 PM7/31/22
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credit for prices dropping 25% in less than a month?
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*!
Jul 31, 2022, 2:09:41 PM7/31/22
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:58:15 -0400, in talk.politics.guns
governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>I don't but I find it ironic that through June, there were a dozen or
>so posts a day from rightists complaining about Biden's high gas
>prices and that he should do something about it.
>
>Rightists HATE free markets when they make a Democrat look good.
>Leftists hate free markets most of the time.
>
>Swill
The POTUS, be he or she left or right, has only slightly more control
governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>I don't but I find it ironic that through June, there were a dozen or
>so posts a day from rightists complaining about Biden's high gas
>prices and that he should do something about it.
>
>Rightists HATE free markets when they make a Democrat look good.
>Leftists hate free markets most of the time.
>
>Swill
over the economy than they would over a national ouija board. If the
economy is bad, the POTUS explains that it wasn't his fault and gets
blamed anyway. If it's good, he thumps his chest and takes a victory
lap to the peoples' cheers.
Does *anybody* think Bill Clinton was an economic genius? ... yet, he
presided over the best economy in the last 70 years (or something like
that).
Mitchell Holman
Jul 31, 2022, 2:24:58 PM7/31/22
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governo...@gmail.com wrote in news:6ggdehlksr6e8ndv9d3gk03g0qnlamereb@
4ax.com:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:59:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>governo...@gmail.com wrote
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>>>
>>>> Go figure..........................
>>>
>>>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>>>
>>> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>>> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>>> up here would put is in the three-forties.
>
>> Don't expent the Trumpists here to
>>spend any time talking about this.
>
> I don't but I find it ironic that through June, there were a dozen or
> so posts a day from rightists complaining about Biden's high gas
> prices and that he should do something about it.
>
> Rightists HATE free markets when they make a Democrat look good.
Rightists hate free markets when they
cannot profit from them. Farm exports
without a subsidy? Grow sugar when lower
priced Cuban sugar is on the marked?
Drill for oil without a federal depletion
allowance? End tax credits for shipping
jobs to China? Perish forbid!
> Leftists hate free markets most of the time.
Most leftists made their money in the
free market. Carter's peanut farm, the
Clintons and Obamas selling books, Bill
Gates building Microsoft, Mark Cuban
managing his NBA Team, all the "liberal"
actors struggling to get the roles that
made them famous.
4ax.com:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 01:59:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>governo...@gmail.com wrote
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 02:19:18 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Gas prices go up all over the world,
>>>>all of which is Biden's doing.
>>>>
>>>> Go figure..........................
>>>
>>>>Biden causes gas price rise!
>>>
>>> Apparently he causes price collapse as well. Buddy of mine from
>>> downstate says gas is up to .15 cheaper out his way. Another .15 drop
>>> up here would put is in the three-forties.
>
>> Don't expent the Trumpists here to
>>spend any time talking about this.
>
> I don't but I find it ironic that through June, there were a dozen or
> so posts a day from rightists complaining about Biden's high gas
> prices and that he should do something about it.
>
> Rightists HATE free markets when they make a Democrat look good.
cannot profit from them. Farm exports
without a subsidy? Grow sugar when lower
priced Cuban sugar is on the marked?
Drill for oil without a federal depletion
allowance? End tax credits for shipping
jobs to China? Perish forbid!
> Leftists hate free markets most of the time.
free market. Carter's peanut farm, the
Clintons and Obamas selling books, Bill
Gates building Microsoft, Mark Cuban
managing his NBA Team, all the "liberal"
actors struggling to get the roles that
made them famous.
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*!
Jul 31, 2022, 10:08:47 PM7/31/22
to
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 18:02:36 -0400, in talk.politics.guns Attila
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>Biden the Senile Bastard has made it clear he wishes to
>destroy the fossil fuel industry no matter what the cost.
Naaa. We're way to dependent on fossil fuel and should diversify,
that's all. In our future is doing a lot more with a lot less energy
consumption.
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>Biden the Senile Bastard has made it clear he wishes to
>destroy the fossil fuel industry no matter what the cost.
Naaa. We're way to dependent on fossil fuel and should diversify,
that's all. In our future is doing a lot more with a lot less energy
consumption.
Onomatopoeia *BOOM*!
Jul 31, 2022, 10:10:20 PM7/31/22
to
Mitchell Holman
Jul 31, 2022, 10:40:29 PM7/31/22
to
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:g1vdehd0p15lh2qn9...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:02:32 -0400, governo...@gmail.com
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> No. His policies have not changed.
So you admit his policies have reduced
American gas prices while gas prices soar
all over the world?
news:g1vdehd0p15lh2qn9...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:02:32 -0400, governo...@gmail.com
> in alt.abortion with message-id
So you admit his policies have reduced
American gas prices while gas prices soar
all over the world?
NoBody
Aug 1, 2022, 7:02:51 AM8/1/22
to
damn bit over what period they increased. If prices are still DOUBLE
what they were, only a fool celebrates a 40 cent drop.
>
>Apparently Joe knows what he's doing. He's letting the markets work
>it out like a REAL conservative would.
>
>Swill
Mitchell Holman
Aug 1, 2022, 9:44:18 AM8/1/22
to
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:35hfeht19ca0q912s...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 02:39:33 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> No. There are other factors such as demand but the fact
> remains there is a huge gap between the price of fuel today
> and the price when he took office.
True.
That is a WORLD WIDE EVENT
In Israel -
https://tinyurl.com/yn8k826k
In Russia -
https://tinyurl.com/4v7jtncs
In Australia -
https://tinyurl.com/mtjx865k
In Japan
https://tinyurl.com/bdhr3tzv
In Iran
https://tinyurl.com/ycxr8yzm
In Argentina
https://tinyurl.com/2p853nvp
How does he do that?
>
> A short time ago we were exporting oil. Biden the Senile
> Bastard took office and now he goes hat in hand begging for
> oil wherever he can find it. Meanwhile he is systematically
> destroying our strategic reserves.
If only Biden hadn't block offshore drilling.
Oh, wait:
Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Sept 9 2020
https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
news:35hfeht19ca0q912s...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 02:39:33 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> remains there is a huge gap between the price of fuel today
> and the price when he took office.
True.
That is a WORLD WIDE EVENT
In Israel -
https://tinyurl.com/yn8k826k
In Russia -
https://tinyurl.com/4v7jtncs
In Australia -
https://tinyurl.com/mtjx865k
In Japan
https://tinyurl.com/bdhr3tzv
In Iran
https://tinyurl.com/ycxr8yzm
In Argentina
https://tinyurl.com/2p853nvp
How does he do that?
>
> Bastard took office and now he goes hat in hand begging for
> oil wherever he can find it. Meanwhile he is systematically
> destroying our strategic reserves.
If only Biden hadn't block offshore drilling.
Oh, wait:
Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Sept 9 2020
https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
Scout
Aug 1, 2022, 10:46:32 AM8/1/22
to
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:02:32 -0400, governo...@gmail.com
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <0sgdehdkbh5vmole8...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
June 2022 - $5.032
Today - $4.668
A recent reduction of about 7.2%
But overall, still a about 254.8% increase.
Excuse me, but a 7% drop to a 250% increase still doesn't sound very good
to me.
Seems to me I'm paying two and half times more thanks to Joe Biden.
Oh, but liberals don't do math,logic reasoning.
Which is why they are broke and poor.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPM0_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=M
Scout
Aug 1, 2022, 10:46:34 AM8/1/22
to
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:00:52 -0400, governo...@gmail.com
> in alt.abortion with message-id
least a 250% increase in prices.
Mitchell Holman
Aug 1, 2022, 2:01:33 PM8/1/22
to
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:62nfeh9vi5e7rb4bq...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 13:43:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> We no longer contribute to the world oil supply plus the war
> plus the contempt the rest of the world has for the Asshole
> in the White House we no longer act as a dominant world
> leader.
America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With
Transition From Trump to Biden
JUNE 10, 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/10/americas-image-abroad-
rebounds-with-transition-from-trump-to-biden/
>
> I would say get rid of him but the next two bitches in line
> would be no better.
>
Is hating strong women a Trump thing
with you or something much more deep
seated?
news:62nfeh9vi5e7rb4bq...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 13:43:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> plus the contempt the rest of the world has for the Asshole
> in the White House we no longer act as a dominant world
> leader.
America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With
Transition From Trump to Biden
JUNE 10, 2021
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/10/americas-image-abroad-
rebounds-with-transition-from-trump-to-biden/
>
> I would say get rid of him but the next two bitches in line
> would be no better.
>
Is hating strong women a Trump thing
with you or something much more deep
seated?
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 5:16:57 PM8/1/22
to
On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 07:02:48 -0400, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>Running off at the mouth again. Gas spent a year and a half climbing
>>by a dollar and a half (give or take) and now that more than half that
>>increase has evaporated in just a month, you still do nothing but
>>complain.
>
>I "complain" about your inaccurate statements. It doesn't matter one
>damn bit over what period they increased. If prices are still DOUBLE
>what they were, only a fool celebrates a 40 cent drop.
You're lying again. Gas didn't double and it isn't down 40 cents,
>>Running off at the mouth again. Gas spent a year and a half climbing
>>by a dollar and a half (give or take) and now that more than half that
>>increase has evaporated in just a month, you still do nothing but
>>complain.
>
>I "complain" about your inaccurate statements. It doesn't matter one
>damn bit over what period they increased. If prices are still DOUBLE
>what they were, only a fool celebrates a 40 cent drop.
it's down a dollar. Gas has gone up, as I wrote, about two dollars
since Nov '20 and is down a dollar in the last 4-5 weeks. Locally, it
started at just under $3 a gallon and went up to almost $5. That's
not doubling. It has lost a dollar a gallon in price just in the past
4-5 weeks. In case you don't know what a dollar is, it's MORE than
forty cents.
For lying to me you can suck my dick again, Boo Boo.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 5:21:21 PM8/1/22
to
and gas went from around $3 to $5 and has lost nearly half that gain
in just about a month. There never was 250% increase.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 5:27:35 PM8/1/22
to
On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:09:38 -0500, Onomatopoeia *BOOM*! <x...@y.com>
wrote:
>The POTUS, be he or she left or right, has only slightly more control
>over the economy than they would over a national ouija board. If the
>economy is bad, the POTUS explains that it wasn't his fault and gets
>blamed anyway. If it's good, he thumps his chest and takes a victory
>lap to the peoples' cheers.
>
>Does *anybody* think Bill Clinton was an economic genius? ... yet, he
>presided over the best economy in the last 70 years (or something like
>that).
*applause* Thank you!
Government policies can affect the economy but it usually takes years
for even major policy changes to take effect. Reagan made an enormous
tax overhaul effective 1982. That year saw the worst economic
downturn since the Great Depression. Two years late, assisted by
deflationary interest rates and a glut of oil coming onto the market,
inflation was banished for decades and the economy boomed.
Glass Steagall was repealed in 1999 but it took another 8 years for
Gramm-Leach-Bliley to help disintegrate the financial system.
Swill
wrote:
>The POTUS, be he or she left or right, has only slightly more control
>over the economy than they would over a national ouija board. If the
>economy is bad, the POTUS explains that it wasn't his fault and gets
>blamed anyway. If it's good, he thumps his chest and takes a victory
>lap to the peoples' cheers.
>
>Does *anybody* think Bill Clinton was an economic genius? ... yet, he
>presided over the best economy in the last 70 years (or something like
>that).
Government policies can affect the economy but it usually takes years
for even major policy changes to take effect. Reagan made an enormous
tax overhaul effective 1982. That year saw the worst economic
downturn since the Great Depression. Two years late, assisted by
deflationary interest rates and a glut of oil coming onto the market,
inflation was banished for decades and the economy boomed.
Glass Steagall was repealed in 1999 but it took another 8 years for
Gramm-Leach-Bliley to help disintegrate the financial system.
Swill
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 5:30:55 PM8/1/22
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 21:08:44 -0500, Onomatopoeia *BOOM*! <x...@y.com>
wrote:
We've been extraordinarily wasteful with our resources as wealthy
humans tend to do. In the future, we'll do more with less. We used
to be the biggest creditor nation. Americans saved their money and
loaned it abroad. But in the eighties, tax changes to credit money
and the elimination of tax free status for savings accounts ended all
that. Now we live on debt. That has to stop too. The trick is to
make this change gradually enough that we don't collapse the global
economy while doing it.
Swill
wrote:
humans tend to do. In the future, we'll do more with less. We used
to be the biggest creditor nation. Americans saved their money and
loaned it abroad. But in the eighties, tax changes to credit money
and the elimination of tax free status for savings accounts ended all
that. Now we live on debt. That has to stop too. The trick is to
make this change gradually enough that we don't collapse the global
economy while doing it.
Swill
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 5:35:42 PM8/1/22
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governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 5:47:37 PM8/1/22
to
On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 13:43:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman
less than 350,000 barrels year.
>>Biden the Senile
>> Bastard took office and now he goes hat in hand begging for
>> oil wherever he can find it.
still selling enormous quantities of oil albeit at a discount (which
also helps push prices down) The speculators whose market bets drove
oil prices are seeing those bets tank as expected supply shortfalls
and demand are running much lower than expected.
You see what happens when you use less gas? The price collapses.
Trade the crew cab pickups on efficient sedans and crossovers. We
could drive gas below $2 a gallon if the did that.
>>Meanwhile he is systematically
>> destroying our strategic reserves.
> If only Biden hadn't block offshore drilling.
>
> Oh, wait:
>Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>Sept 9 2020
>https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
Just Wondering
Aug 1, 2022, 5:49:18 PM8/1/22
to
On 8/1/2022 3:15 PM, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 07:02:48 -0400, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>> Running off at the mouth again. Gas spent a year and a half climbing
>>> by a dollar and a half (give or take) and now that more than half that
>>> increase has evaporated in just a month, you still do nothing but
>>> complain.
>>
>> I "complain" about your inaccurate statements. It doesn't matter one
>> damn bit over what period they increased. If prices are still DOUBLE
>> what they were, only a fool celebrates a 40 cent drop.
>
> You're lying again. Gas didn't double and it isn't down 40 cents,
> it's down a dollar. Gas has gone up, as I wrote, about two dollars
> since Nov '20 and is down a dollar in the last 4-5 weeks. Locally, it
> started at just under $3 a gallon and went up to almost $5. That's
> not doubling. It has lost a dollar a gallon in price just in the past
> 4-5 weeks. In case you don't know what a dollar is, it's MORE than
> forty cents.
>
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 07:02:48 -0400, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>> Running off at the mouth again. Gas spent a year and a half climbing
>>> by a dollar and a half (give or take) and now that more than half that
>>> increase has evaporated in just a month, you still do nothing but
>>> complain.
>>
>> I "complain" about your inaccurate statements. It doesn't matter one
>> damn bit over what period they increased. If prices are still DOUBLE
>> what they were, only a fool celebrates a 40 cent drop.
>
> You're lying again. Gas didn't double and it isn't down 40 cents,
> it's down a dollar. Gas has gone up, as I wrote, about two dollars
> since Nov '20 and is down a dollar in the last 4-5 weeks. Locally, it
> started at just under $3 a gallon and went up to almost $5. That's
> not doubling. It has lost a dollar a gallon in price just in the past
> 4-5 weeks. In case you don't know what a dollar is, it's MORE than
> forty cents.
>
Feb 10, 2020 $2.32
Jun 13. 2022 $4.84
Jul 25 2022 $4.18
I don't know where you went to school, but according to
what I was taught, 4.84 is more than twice 2.32, and
4.84 - 4.18 = 0.66 which closer to 0.40 than it is to 1.
Or, if you prefer official EIA data,
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/gasoline.php
also shows gas prices more than doubled from Aug-Nov 2020
to July 2022, and are down around about to .6 to .7 from
their peak a couple of weeks ago, confirming the previous
data.
That's published data from two different sources showing
NoBody is pretty much right and you are dead wrong.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 6:44:39 PM8/1/22
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 09:50:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
math is horribly wrong and you used incorrect starting figures as
well.
>April 2020 - National Average price of Gasoline $1.983 per gallon.
According to YOUR cite, gas hasn't been less than $2 a gallon since
2009 except for the April/May 2020 covid crash. But by June '20 gas
was back up to 2.17 and by Jan '21 when Biden was sworn in, was back
up to 2.42 - forty five cents higher than the number you used.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPM0_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=M
Using your own figures then,
Jan 2021 (the month Biden was sworn in) $2.42 per gallon.
Locally, it was getting close to $3 around here with most places
between 2.69 and 2.89.
>June 2022 - $5.032
This represents a 108% increase. 5.03 - 2.42 = 2.61, 2.61/2.42 =
1.08% NOT 250%
>Today - $4.668
5.03 - 4.67 = .36 - .63/5.3 = 12% decrease NOT 7.2.
We're using YOUR cite for numbers, remember?
Or try this: 4.67 - 2.42 = 2.25 which works out to a net increase of
92% since Biden was sworn in. Factor in massive economic growth in
2021 (6.9%) due to pent up demand from 2020 and Russia's invasion of
Ukraine and the resulting sanctions.
Now, here in Florida, gas has gone from 4.79 to 3.69 at the local
Circle K. This is a 24% difference. Walmart/Murphy's went from 4.59
to 3.53 during the same time period which is a 23% reduction.
>A recent reduction of about 7.2%
Incorrect. Your math is flawed. The recent reduction is nearly
twenty percent.
>But overall, still a about 254.8% increase.
Again, seriously bad math. The NET increase since Biden was sworn is
92% which is a lot less than 255%
>Excuse me, but a 7% drop to a 250% increase still doesn't sound very good
>to me.
But 12 percent sounds much better.
>Seems to me I'm paying two and half times more thanks to Joe Biden.
Seems to me you failed basic math since gas hasn't gone up nearly that
much. 2.42 * 250% = 6.05
Nothing Biden has done has caused this. Covid backlash and Putin's
invasion of Ukraine are the primary drivers of general inflation. Oil
investors aka "speculators" and the Ukraine war are the primary
drivers of oil inflation which also drives general inflation.
>Oh, but liberals don't do math,logic reasoning.
While rightists are apparently VERY bad at simple math and wouldn't
know a bit of logic if it bit them on the nose.
>Which is why they are broke and poor.
So which is it? Are liberals overeducated filthy rich elites as the
GOP has been saying since Reagan ran or are they dirt poor illiterates
with streaks of snot running down their noses which picture is
convenient for you TODAY.
>https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPM0_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=M
Now you see why I don't care for partisans. They lie to themselves
and everybody else in their attempts to justify their indefensible
positions and can change their view of reality on a dime. Rightists
are the worst about this.
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:02:32 -0400, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>Since you blamed Biden for gas prices going up, are you giving him the
>>>credit for prices dropping 25% in less than a month?
Don't lie, mislead or "fudge". You WILL get caught and you did. Your
>>>Since you blamed Biden for gas prices going up, are you giving him the
>>>credit for prices dropping 25% in less than a month?
math is horribly wrong and you used incorrect starting figures as
well.
>April 2020 - National Average price of Gasoline $1.983 per gallon.
2009 except for the April/May 2020 covid crash. But by June '20 gas
was back up to 2.17 and by Jan '21 when Biden was sworn in, was back
up to 2.42 - forty five cents higher than the number you used.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPM0_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=M
Using your own figures then,
Jan 2021 (the month Biden was sworn in) $2.42 per gallon.
Locally, it was getting close to $3 around here with most places
between 2.69 and 2.89.
>June 2022 - $5.032
This represents a 108% increase. 5.03 - 2.42 = 2.61, 2.61/2.42 =
1.08% NOT 250%
>Today - $4.668
5.03 - 4.67 = .36 - .63/5.3 = 12% decrease NOT 7.2.
We're using YOUR cite for numbers, remember?
Or try this: 4.67 - 2.42 = 2.25 which works out to a net increase of
92% since Biden was sworn in. Factor in massive economic growth in
2021 (6.9%) due to pent up demand from 2020 and Russia's invasion of
Ukraine and the resulting sanctions.
Now, here in Florida, gas has gone from 4.79 to 3.69 at the local
Circle K. This is a 24% difference. Walmart/Murphy's went from 4.59
to 3.53 during the same time period which is a 23% reduction.
>A recent reduction of about 7.2%
twenty percent.
>But overall, still a about 254.8% increase.
92% which is a lot less than 255%
>Excuse me, but a 7% drop to a 250% increase still doesn't sound very good
>to me.
>Seems to me I'm paying two and half times more thanks to Joe Biden.
much. 2.42 * 250% = 6.05
Nothing Biden has done has caused this. Covid backlash and Putin's
invasion of Ukraine are the primary drivers of general inflation. Oil
investors aka "speculators" and the Ukraine war are the primary
drivers of oil inflation which also drives general inflation.
>Oh, but liberals don't do math,logic reasoning.
know a bit of logic if it bit them on the nose.
>Which is why they are broke and poor.
GOP has been saying since Reagan ran or are they dirt poor illiterates
with streaks of snot running down their noses which picture is
convenient for you TODAY.
>https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPM0_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=M
Now you see why I don't care for partisans. They lie to themselves
and everybody else in their attempts to justify their indefensible
positions and can change their view of reality on a dime. Rightists
are the worst about this.
Mitchell Holman
Aug 1, 2022, 9:32:11 PM8/1/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:6h9geh9sgtpsgdsak...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 18:00:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> I go by the individuals and my signature says what I think
> about a few specific individuals.
>
> You must be part of the 38% that still approves of the
> Senile Bastard. I am part of the 60+ % that considers him
> an asshole.
You hate everyone who campaigns
with a (D) after their name.
news:6h9geh9sgtpsgdsak...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 18:00:22 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> about a few specific individuals.
>
> You must be part of the 38% that still approves of the
> Senile Bastard. I am part of the 60+ % that considers him
> an asshole.
You hate everyone who campaigns
with a (D) after their name.
Mitchell Holman
Aug 1, 2022, 9:34:18 PM8/1/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:30qgeh1h7vn1seq26...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:46:16 -0400, governo...@gmail.com
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> Yet the Bastard thinks it's time to hit the reserves.
Modern Conservative: Someone who
deliberately drives a gas guzzler while
complaining about the price of gas.
news:30qgeh1h7vn1seq26...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:46:16 -0400, governo...@gmail.com
> in alt.abortion with message-id
>
>>
>>>>Biden the Senile
>>>> Bastard took office and now he goes hat in hand begging for
>>>> oil wherever he can find it.
>>
>>Because there is a glut growing. Why? Despite sanctions Russia is
>>still selling enormous quantities of oil albeit at a discount (which
>>also helps push prices down) The speculators whose market bets drove
>>oil prices are seeing those bets tank as expected supply shortfalls
>>and demand are running much lower than expected.
>>
>>You see what happens when you use less gas? The price collapses.
>>Trade the crew cab pickups on efficient sedans and crossovers. We
>>could drive gas below $2 a gallon if the did that.
>
> Personally I want a mid-sixties V8 muscle car.
>>
>>>>Biden the Senile
>>>> Bastard took office and now he goes hat in hand begging for
>>>> oil wherever he can find it.
>>
>>Because there is a glut growing. Why? Despite sanctions Russia is
>>still selling enormous quantities of oil albeit at a discount (which
>>also helps push prices down) The speculators whose market bets drove
>>oil prices are seeing those bets tank as expected supply shortfalls
>>and demand are running much lower than expected.
>>
>>You see what happens when you use less gas? The price collapses.
>>Trade the crew cab pickups on efficient sedans and crossovers. We
>>could drive gas below $2 a gallon if the did that.
>
Modern Conservative: Someone who
deliberately drives a gas guzzler while
complaining about the price of gas.
Mitchell Holman
Aug 1, 2022, 9:36:52 PM8/1/22
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Actually it is conservatives who are broke and poor.
"These states and territories have the
highest percentages of poverty in the
country: Mississippi, Louisiana, New
Mexico, Kentucky, Arkansas, West Virginia,
Alabama, the District of Columbia, South
Carolina, and Georgia."
https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2021-11/top-10-poorest-states-us
news:tc8p05$vl84$1...@dont-email.me:
"These states and territories have the
highest percentages of poverty in the
country: Mississippi, Louisiana, New
Mexico, Kentucky, Arkansas, West Virginia,
Alabama, the District of Columbia, South
Carolina, and Georgia."
https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2021-11/top-10-poorest-states-us
Mitchell Holman
Aug 1, 2022, 9:43:24 PM8/1/22
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"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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>
>
>
> The Trump wasn't a REAL conservative, because according to you that
> means at least a 250% increase in prices.
Actually you raise a good point.
What WAS conservative about Trump?
He didn't believe if fiscal conservatism,
he didn't believe "Biblical family values"
he didn't support the military, he didn't try
to spread democracy, he didn't care about
containing communism, he didn't care about
American prestige abroad, he even donated
money to the campaigns of Democrats like
Kamala Harris.
What definition of "conservative" includes
those?
news:tc8p08$vl84$2...@dont-email.me:
>
>
>
> The Trump wasn't a REAL conservative, because according to you that
> means at least a 250% increase in prices.
What WAS conservative about Trump?
He didn't believe if fiscal conservatism,
he didn't believe "Biblical family values"
he didn't support the military, he didn't try
to spread democracy, he didn't care about
containing communism, he didn't care about
American prestige abroad, he even donated
money to the campaigns of Democrats like
Kamala Harris.
What definition of "conservative" includes
those?
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 10:02:54 PM8/1/22
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:49:16 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW
>Feb 10, 2020 $2.32
>Jun 13. 2022 $4.84
>Jul 25 2022 $4.18
>I don't know where you went to school, but according to
>what I was taught, 4.84 is more than twice 2.32, and
>4.84 - 4.18 = 0.66 which closer to 0.40 than it is to 1.
>
>Or, if you prefer official EIA data,
>https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/gasoline.php
>also shows gas prices more than doubled from Aug-Nov 2020
>to July 2022, and are down around about to .6 to .7 from
>their peak a couple of weeks ago, confirming the previous
>data.
There you go trying to play mind games without any ammo. Biden didn't
>https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW
>Feb 10, 2020 $2.32
>Jun 13. 2022 $4.84
>Jul 25 2022 $4.18
>I don't know where you went to school, but according to
>what I was taught, 4.84 is more than twice 2.32, and
>4.84 - 4.18 = 0.66 which closer to 0.40 than it is to 1.
>
>Or, if you prefer official EIA data,
>https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/gasoline.php
>also shows gas prices more than doubled from Aug-Nov 2020
>to July 2022, and are down around about to .6 to .7 from
>their peak a couple of weeks ago, confirming the previous
>data.
become President until Jan 2021 so any complaints about him would have
to start no sooner than Feb 2021 pricing. Specifically, that means
that starting your price comparison in Feb 2020 or even Aug 2020 is a
load of bullshit. Enjoy the smell.
Btw, I've already run this comparison using the correct numbers in a
conversation with Scout who, like you, never took math in school.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2022, 10:04:47 PM8/1/22
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 01:42:48 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
majority.
>"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>> The Trump wasn't a REAL conservative, because according to you that
>> means at least a 250% increase in prices.
> Actually you raise a good point.
>
> What WAS conservative about Trump?
>
> He didn't believe if fiscal conservatism,
>he didn't believe "Biblical family values"
>he didn't support the military, he didn't try
>to spread democracy, he didn't care about
>containing communism, he didn't care about
>American prestige abroad, he even donated
>money to the campaigns of Democrats like
>Kamala Harris.
>
> What definition of "conservative" includes
>those?
It was a back door deal. The Presidency in exchange for a SCOTUS
>> means at least a 250% increase in prices.
> Actually you raise a good point.
>
> What WAS conservative about Trump?
>
> He didn't believe if fiscal conservatism,
>he didn't believe "Biblical family values"
>he didn't support the military, he didn't try
>to spread democracy, he didn't care about
>containing communism, he didn't care about
>American prestige abroad, he even donated
>money to the campaigns of Democrats like
>Kamala Harris.
>
> What definition of "conservative" includes
>those?
majority.
Just Wondering
Aug 2, 2022, 2:16:27 AM8/2/22
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On 8/1/2022 8:01 PM, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:49:16 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>
>> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW
>> Feb 10, 2020 $2.32
>> Jun 13. 2022 $4.84
>> Jul 25 2022 $4.18
>> I don't know where you went to school, but according to
>> what I was taught, 4.84 is more than twice 2.32, and
>> 4.84 - 4.18 = 0.66 which closer to 0.40 than it is to 1.
>>
>> Or, if you prefer official EIA data,
>> https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/gasoline.php
>> also shows gas prices more than doubled from Aug-Nov 2020
>> to July 2022, and are down around about to .6 to .7 from
>> their peak a couple of weeks ago, confirming the previous
>> data.
>
> There you go trying to play mind games without any ammo. Biden didn't
> become President until Jan 2021 so any complaints about him would have
> to start no sooner than Feb 2021 pricing. Specifically, that means
> that starting your price comparison in Feb 2020 or even Aug 2020 is a
> load of bullshit.
Thanks (NOT) for clipping everything that provides context. YOU
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:49:16 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>
>> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW
>> Feb 10, 2020 $2.32
>> Jun 13. 2022 $4.84
>> Jul 25 2022 $4.18
>> I don't know where you went to school, but according to
>> what I was taught, 4.84 is more than twice 2.32, and
>> 4.84 - 4.18 = 0.66 which closer to 0.40 than it is to 1.
>>
>> Or, if you prefer official EIA data,
>> https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/gasoline.php
>> also shows gas prices more than doubled from Aug-Nov 2020
>> to July 2022, and are down around about to .6 to .7 from
>> their peak a couple of weeks ago, confirming the previous
>> data.
>
> There you go trying to play mind games without any ammo. Biden didn't
> become President until Jan 2021 so any complaints about him would have
> to start no sooner than Feb 2021 pricing. Specifically, that means
> that starting your price comparison in Feb 2020 or even Aug 2020 is a
> load of bullshit.
are the one who chose the dates, I just pulled data covering the
dates YOU picked.
If I had started it, I would have looked at data going back to 2001.
The following is excerpted from
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW which cites the U.S.
Energy Information Administration
as the data source.
During the eight George W. Bush years, gas prices gradually rose from
$1.46 in January 2001 to $1.77 in January 2005. Prices rose to about
$3.00 during the next three years, then sharply spiked, reaching a high
of $4.00 in June 2008, before dropping to $1.77 on January 12, 2009
when Bush left office.
(I don't know the history that led to the anomalous 2008 spike.
Look it up yourself If you want, I'm not gonna do it for you.)
The data show gas prices during Obama's first year rose by about $0.90,
then mostly remained $3.00-3.50 range, declined during his last two
years, and were about $2.30 when Obama left office, about 50 cents
higher than when he started 8 years before.
The Trump years had gas prices generally in the $2.50 range, about
a dollar lower than the Obama average, with a high of $2.85 in June
2018 and a low of $1.70 in April 2020. They were $2.29 when Trump
left office - virtually the same as when he was sworn in despite
minor inflation during his four years.
Then Biden got sworn in and immediately began tossing out ill-
conceived executive orders that affected domestic oil production.
Gas prices rose from $2.29 to $4.84 in July 2022, more than doubling
in two short years, setting an all time record for high gas prices,
and leading to the ignominious sight of the President of the United
States groveling before the House of Saud in an unsuccessful quest
for cheap foreign oil.
Scout
Aug 2, 2022, 7:43:35 AM8/2/22
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"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 13:43:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> We no longer contribute to the world oil supply plus the war
> plus the contempt the rest of the world has for the Asshole
> in the White House we no longer act as a dominant world
> leader.
>
> plus the contempt the rest of the world has for the Asshole
> in the White House we no longer act as a dominant world
> leader.
>
> I would say get rid of him but the next two bitches in line
> would be no better.
I say let that dead albatross hang around the neck of the Democrat party for
> would be no better.
as long as possible.. to remind people just had bad things can be when you
vote for the lies of Democrats.
Mitchell Holman
Aug 2, 2022, 9:26:44 AM8/2/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
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> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 01:30:48 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> just as I despise the anti-choice faction and the religious
> agenda. As it happens the Dims have the great majority of
> what I consider dangerous positions. Such as the Green Raw
> Deal among many others.
>
For the 4th time, THERE IS NO
GREEN NEW DEAL. It doesn't exist.
Yet you continue to blame for
everything from inflation to gas
prices to monkey pox. Why is that?
news:pqahehprq6eq9nse6...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 01:30:48 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <XnsAEE6D100061FD...@69.80.101.21> wrote:
>
>>> I go by the individuals and my signature says what I think
>>> about a few specific individuals.
>>>
>>> You must be part of the 38% that still approves of the
>>> Senile Bastard. I am part of the 60+ % that considers him
>>> an asshole.
>>
>>
>> You hate everyone who campaigns
>>with a (D) after their name.
>
> No, I just despise liberals and progressives as a group,
>
>>> I go by the individuals and my signature says what I think
>>> about a few specific individuals.
>>>
>>> You must be part of the 38% that still approves of the
>>> Senile Bastard. I am part of the 60+ % that considers him
>>> an asshole.
>>
>>
>> You hate everyone who campaigns
>>with a (D) after their name.
>
> just as I despise the anti-choice faction and the religious
> agenda. As it happens the Dims have the great majority of
> what I consider dangerous positions. Such as the Green Raw
> Deal among many others.
>
For the 4th time, THERE IS NO
GREEN NEW DEAL. It doesn't exist.
Yet you continue to blame for
everything from inflation to gas
prices to monkey pox. Why is that?
Mitchell Holman
Aug 2, 2022, 9:29:36 AM8/2/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
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> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 01:32:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> Since the price of gas is artificially high as a result of a
> liberal agenda, yes.
>
I see.
America's liberals are responsible
for gas prices in Iran and Israel and
Japan and Russia. How do they do that?
Liberals cause gas price rise!
news:o2bheh1epjnnv3lhe...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 01:32:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> liberal agenda, yes.
>
I see.
America's liberals are responsible
for gas prices in Iran and Israel and
Japan and Russia. How do they do that?
Liberals cause gas price rise!
Mitchell Holman
Aug 2, 2022, 9:35:07 AM8/2/22
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"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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Conservatives like their lies served
straight up, with no embellishment.
Trump: I will eliminate U.S. debt in 8 years
04/02/16
https://tinyurl.com/y8ggzn4c
Trump Promised to Eliminate National Debt in Eight Years
March 9 2017
https://tinyurl.com/jyuel2o
news:tcb2l5$1fi5a$1...@dont-email.me:
straight up, with no embellishment.
Trump: I will eliminate U.S. debt in 8 years
04/02/16
https://tinyurl.com/y8ggzn4c
Trump Promised to Eliminate National Debt in Eight Years
March 9 2017
https://tinyurl.com/jyuel2o
Mitchell Holman
Aug 2, 2022, 1:36:40 PM8/2/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
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> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:25:20 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> I agree, It is a Green Raw Deal and should be opposed at
> every turn.
Why?
news:lgdieh9jums6cav68...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:25:20 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> every turn.
Why?
Mitchell Holman
Aug 2, 2022, 1:44:20 PM8/2/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
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> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:28:12 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> I could not care less about the gas prices in Japan or
> Russia. I don't live there and I don't buy gas there. I
> pay no attention to whatever their problems are, if any.
>
> In the US the gas prices stop in the Oval Office and the
> policies the Bastard working there is told to initiate. I
> have no idea who is pulling the strings of the puppet.
OK, have it your way.
Show us what authority over
gas prices that a president has.
PS: Here is a starting point
Put current high gasoline prices in perspective
JUNE 1, 2022
In 2008, under President George
W. Bush, the price of gasoline in
California was about $4.10 per
gallon. In today’s money that means
about $5.41 per gallon.
Also, under President Bush in June
2008, crude oil production in the
U.S. was 5.1 million barrels per day.
This month, the crude oil production
in the U.S. is 11.9 million barrels
per day.
In 2008, I don’t remember Republicans
ranting against President Bush about
the price of gasoline. What a double
standard.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/letters-to-the-
editor/story/2022-06-01/opinion-put-current-high-gasoline-prices-in-
perspective
news:7jdiehp2arrd4qbm1...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:28:12 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> Russia. I don't live there and I don't buy gas there. I
> pay no attention to whatever their problems are, if any.
>
> In the US the gas prices stop in the Oval Office and the
> policies the Bastard working there is told to initiate. I
> have no idea who is pulling the strings of the puppet.
OK, have it your way.
Show us what authority over
gas prices that a president has.
PS: Here is a starting point
Put current high gasoline prices in perspective
JUNE 1, 2022
In 2008, under President George
W. Bush, the price of gasoline in
California was about $4.10 per
gallon. In today’s money that means
about $5.41 per gallon.
Also, under President Bush in June
2008, crude oil production in the
U.S. was 5.1 million barrels per day.
This month, the crude oil production
in the U.S. is 11.9 million barrels
per day.
In 2008, I don’t remember Republicans
ranting against President Bush about
the price of gasoline. What a double
standard.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/letters-to-the-
editor/story/2022-06-01/opinion-put-current-high-gasoline-prices-in-
perspective
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 2, 2022, 7:33:46 PM8/2/22
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 00:16:25 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>On 8/1/2022 8:01 PM, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:49:16 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW
>>> Feb 10, 2020 $2.32
>>> Jun 13. 2022 $4.84
>>> Jul 25 2022 $4.18
>>> I don't know where you went to school, but according to
>>> what I was taught, 4.84 is more than twice 2.32, and
>>> 4.84 - 4.18 = 0.66 which closer to 0.40 than it is to 1.
>>>
>>> Or, if you prefer official EIA data,
>>> https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/gasoline.php
>>> also shows gas prices more than doubled from Aug-Nov 2020
>>> to July 2022, and are down around about to .6 to .7 from
>>> their peak a couple of weeks ago, confirming the previous
>>> data.
>>
>> There you go trying to play mind games without any ammo. Biden didn't
>> become President until Jan 2021 so any complaints about him would have
>> to start no sooner than Feb 2021 pricing. Specifically, that means
>> that starting your price comparison in Feb 2020 or even Aug 2020 is a
>> load of bullshit.
>
>Thanks (NOT) for clipping everything that provides context.
That lame excuse? Every time somebody on Usenet gets proven wrong,
>On 8/1/2022 8:01 PM, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 15:49:16 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW
>>> Feb 10, 2020 $2.32
>>> Jun 13. 2022 $4.84
>>> Jul 25 2022 $4.18
>>> I don't know where you went to school, but according to
>>> what I was taught, 4.84 is more than twice 2.32, and
>>> 4.84 - 4.18 = 0.66 which closer to 0.40 than it is to 1.
>>>
>>> Or, if you prefer official EIA data,
>>> https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/gasoline.php
>>> also shows gas prices more than doubled from Aug-Nov 2020
>>> to July 2022, and are down around about to .6 to .7 from
>>> their peak a couple of weeks ago, confirming the previous
>>> data.
>>
>> There you go trying to play mind games without any ammo. Biden didn't
>> become President until Jan 2021 so any complaints about him would have
>> to start no sooner than Feb 2021 pricing. Specifically, that means
>> that starting your price comparison in Feb 2020 or even Aug 2020 is a
>> load of bullshit.
>
>Thanks (NOT) for clipping everything that provides context.
they whine that somebody clipped context. The FACT is, you want to
start your gas price comparison almost a year before Biden becomes
President and at the height of the Covid shutdown that all but ended
folks driving to work. If you don't drive to work, gas demand drops.
That means prices will drop. So no, you can't count post Covid
recovery gas pricing when Trump was President as part of Biden's price
increases.
>YOU
>are the one who chose the dates, I just pulled data covering the
>dates YOU picked.
dates you pulled data for are NOT the dates I used in my analysis of
gas price changes during Biden's administration. I noted small rises
following the 2020 election but based my Biden gas prices on the Feb
2021 price because Biden didn't become President until late January
2021.
>If I had started it, I would have looked at data going back to 2001.
oil prices. Wouldn't it then be appropriate to start from when Biden
was first in position to set energy policy? Like, after his
innauguration in 2021? Wtf has 2001 got to do with President Biden's
energy policy?
>The following is excerpted from
>https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASREGCOVW which cites the U.S.
>Energy Information Administration
>as the data source.
>
>During the eight George W. Bush years, gas prices gradually rose from
>$1.46 in January 2001 to $1.77 in January 2005. Prices rose to about
>$3.00 during the next three years, then sharply spiked, reaching a high
>of $4.00 in June 2008, before dropping to $1.77 on January 12, 2009
>when Bush left office.
>(I don't know the history that led to the anomalous 2008 spike.
>Look it up yourself If you want, I'm not gonna do it for you.)
"New supplies of oil from non-OPEC countries were supposed to come
online in 2007 and ease some of these supply bottlenecks. But problems
in Kazakhstan and Russia - as well as sweeping drilling bans in the
United States - mean global consumption is growing twice as fast as
non-OPEC production."
https://money.cnn.com/2008/05/20/news/economy/gas_price_history/
"Sweeping drilling bans" during the BUSH administration? Say it aint
so!
Btw, that "anamolous 2008 spike" was ended by the Great Recession that
came within 48 hours of closing the banks. The Great Recession that
started on Bush's watch in December 2007. The Great Recession that
collapsed the economy and caused a shortlived Depression in 2009 and
nearly 10% unemployment. Funny, you don't mention that Bush's price
drop was because he'd almost destroyed the US economy.
>The data show gas prices during Obama's first year rose by about $0.90,
>then mostly remained $3.00-3.50 range, declined during his last two
>years, and were about $2.30 when Obama left office, about 50 cents
>higher than when he started 8 years before.
Great Recession. That oil prices didn't rise any more than that is
because Obama, contrary to Foxular belief, made a point of supporting
fracking, oil field expansion and new drilling policies and
technologies that greatly accelerated US oil and gas production.
Obama also signed the Bill that made it legal for the US to export oil
so the much vaunted "US energy independence" of Trump's last year in
office and Biden's first was due as much to Obama and the Dems in
Congress in 2013 as it was to economic changes. I didn't notice you
giving him credit for that either.
>The Trump years had gas prices generally in the $2.50 range, about
>a dollar lower than the Obama average, with a high of $2.85 in June
>2018 and a low of $1.70 in April 2020. They were $2.29 when Trump
>left office - virtually the same as when he was sworn in despite
>minor inflation during his four years.
drop that wasn't due to Trump's policies but to COVID. When people
stopped driving to work, demand dropped, when demand drops, prices
drop. So many people stopped going to work that rush hour traffic all
but vanished. I live near a freeway and the sounds of traffic from
there and on our local through street were noticeably quieter.
>Then Biden got sworn in and immediately began tossing out ill-
>conceived executive orders that affected domestic oil production.
>Gas prices rose from $2.29 to $4.84 in July 2022, more than doubling
>in two short years, setting an all time record for high gas prices,
only cite price changes from when he became president, not from some
arbitrary date before he was even the nominee.
>and leading to the ignominious sight of the President of the United
>States groveling before the House of Saud in an unsuccessful quest
>for cheap foreign oil.
reduced their own demand thus driving down prices.
It's our habit of driving monstrous gas guzzlers that forces prices so
high in the first place. I was hoping they'd stay around $5 so I
could keep laughing at 140 pound housewives driving around in three
ton trucks that get 12mpg while whining like little babies at how high
gas is. Demand goes up, prices go up. You want to drive something
sucks gas? Pay up.
Imagine if we doubled our national MPG thus halving our gasoline use.
Gas prices would collapse and we might became a MAJOR exporter of
petroleum and it's products.
"In 2021, about 134.83 billion gallons (or about 3.21 billion
barrels)1 of finished motor gasoline were consumed in the United
States, an average of about 369 million gallons per day (or about 8.80
million barrels per day)."
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=23&t=10
Think about us having 1.5 billion barrels of oil to EXPORT each year.
What would happen to gas prices globally?
Replace that full sized V-8 F-150 with a half size V-6 turbo Ranger.
Better still, replace it with an F-150 Lightning. Ford is starting
pricing on base model Lightning F-150 trucks at less than 35K. Factor
in fuel cost savings over five years and you could own a brand new
F-150 EV for around 20-25K and FUCK the Arabs and their oil.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 2, 2022, 7:43:08 PM8/2/22
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 11:15:04 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
>"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote
"President Obama signed the 2016 spending bill Friday, including a
provision that would allow the export of U.S. crude for the first time
in more than 40 years."
https://www.investors.com/news/oil-export-ban-lift-needs-obama-ok/
>>plus the war
>> plus the contempt the rest of the world has for the Asshole
>> in the White House
Lie. Most of the world and all of Europe (except maybe Hungary)
breathed a sigh of relief when Biden defeated Trump.
>>we no longer act as a dominant world leader.
Certainly we do. We didn't when Trump was in office.
>> I would say get rid of him but the next two bitches in line
>> would be no better.
>
>I say let that dead albatross hang around the neck of the Democrat party for
>as long as possible.. to remind people just had bad things can be when you
>vote for the lies of Democrats.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And if suburban women save the Democrats'
collective asses because of the overturn of Roe V Wade, who will you
blame for Republican failure then?
>"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote
>> We no longer contribute to the world oil supply
Lie. Per the eia we enjoyed net exports of oil in 2020 and 2021.
"President Obama signed the 2016 spending bill Friday, including a
provision that would allow the export of U.S. crude for the first time
in more than 40 years."
https://www.investors.com/news/oil-export-ban-lift-needs-obama-ok/
>>plus the war
>> plus the contempt the rest of the world has for the Asshole
>> in the White House
breathed a sigh of relief when Biden defeated Trump.
>>we no longer act as a dominant world leader.
>> I would say get rid of him but the next two bitches in line
>> would be no better.
>
>I say let that dead albatross hang around the neck of the Democrat party for
>as long as possible.. to remind people just had bad things can be when you
>vote for the lies of Democrats.
collective asses because of the overturn of Roe V Wade, who will you
blame for Republican failure then?
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 2, 2022, 7:57:17 PM8/2/22
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:33:43 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Conservatives like their lies served
>straight up, with no embellishment.
Pinnochio: "That's 'straight up, no chaser'"
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Conservatives like their lies served
>straight up, with no embellishment.
Republican sitting on Pinnochio's face: "Lie to me. Tell the truth.
Lie to me. Tell the truth. Lie to me. Tell the truth. Lie to me.
Tell the truth. Lie to me. Tell the truth . . ."
>Trump: I will eliminate U.S. debt in 8 years
>04/02/16
>https://tinyurl.com/y8ggzn4c
>Trump Promised to Eliminate National Debt in Eight Years
>March 9 2017
>https://tinyurl.com/jyuel2o
"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me,
believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a
great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for
that wall."
https://tinyurl.com/47bfp2sf
"“Real change begins with immediately repealing and replacing the
disaster known as Obamacare.""
https://tinyurl.com/2p925huz
""I'm going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch
officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.”"
https://tinyurl.com/2s4fawd3
More . . .
https://tinyurl.com/2p925huz
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 2, 2022, 7:58:34 PM8/2/22
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 13:28:12 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> America's liberals are responsible
>for gas prices in Iran and Israel and
>Japan and Russia. How do they do that?
Because Democrats are all geniuses with superpowers?
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> America's liberals are responsible
>for gas prices in Iran and Israel and
>Japan and Russia. How do they do that?
Mitchell Holman
Aug 2, 2022, 10:11:44 PM8/2/22
to
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:dptiehhklkt9hmvnv...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:36:21 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> Because it would be a disaster.
Fine.
Since it doesn't exist why are
you so afraid of it?
There is not enough
> renewable energy to support our economy unless we start a
> mass atomic power station building program and complete it
> before we try to convert to what is not there.
>
> Technology is not at a level to support this - would you
> like to have your heart removed for a transplant before a
> new one was available?
>
>
news:dptiehhklkt9hmvnv...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:36:21 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
Fine.
Since it doesn't exist why are
you so afraid of it?
There is not enough
> renewable energy to support our economy unless we start a
> mass atomic power station building program and complete it
> before we try to convert to what is not there.
>
> Technology is not at a level to support this - would you
> like to have your heart removed for a transplant before a
> new one was available?
>
>
Mitchell Holman
Aug 2, 2022, 10:15:09 PM8/2/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:n0uiehdf60hhg93me...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:42:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> He shut down pipeline construction thereby telling the oil
> companies that source would not be available. Various
> permits required for new plants and equipment from various
> government agencies have new restrictions or have been
> delayed. The Bastard has said before he was elected he
> wished to end the fossil fuel industry and since his
> election he has eliminated a lot of the strategic reserve we
> had for national defense and has done nothing to encourage
> any increase in the oil supply. He accused independent gas
> stations of price fixing and accused big oil of ""excess
> profits".
Fact check:
Big Oil has millions of acres of
oil lands leased from the government
they are not using. Why is that?
By the numbers: Oil industry awash in
permits, leases while pushing for more
drilling
Mar 15, 2022
Combined, the oil and gas industry
holds leases to more than 25 million
acres of publicly-owned minerals,
roughly half of which sit unused.
Companies now hold more than 9,000
approved, but unused, drilling permits
on national public lands, all of which
could be put to use today. Further,
oil production on public lands is near
all time highs, despite industry claims
that the Biden administration has
suppressed domestic production.
Even though it only accounts for
roughly 7% and 8% of domestic production,
respectively, oil and gas production on
public lands is at or near an all time
high. Similarly, the Biden administration
is continuing to approve drilling permits.
During 2021, the Bureau of Land Management
approved nearly 4,000 drilling permits —
a rate higher than during the first three
years of the Trump administration.
In total, the oil industry now holds
leases to more than 25 million acres of
public lands — an area roughly the size
of Kentucky. Of those 25 million acres,
roughly half are sitting idle, meaning
oil companies hold existing rights to
develop those resources, but are choosing
not to.
In stark contrast to the rhetoric of oil
industry trade groups, oil CEOs themselves
are bragging to investors about their
newfound “fiscal discipline” and
determination to not increase production,
which would inevitably lead to lower gas
prices for American consumers.
When the invasion of Ukraine began on
February 24, the CEO of EOG Resources —
the largest holder of approved but unused
drilling permits on public lands —
announced it would hold back production
growth, in line with its industry peers.
Just days before that, the CEO of Devon
energy — the second-largest holder of
approved but unused permits — announced it
would focus on “more dividends, less growth”
in 2022. Devon’s stock price is up 150%
year-to-year thanks to this move to keep
gas prices high.
The data shows that the Biden administration
is not standing in the way of public lands
oil production and that oil companies have
more drilling permits and leases than they
know what to do with.
https://tinyurl.com/3rs97u3j
news:n0uiehdf60hhg93me...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:42:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> companies that source would not be available. Various
> permits required for new plants and equipment from various
> government agencies have new restrictions or have been
> delayed. The Bastard has said before he was elected he
> wished to end the fossil fuel industry and since his
> election he has eliminated a lot of the strategic reserve we
> had for national defense and has done nothing to encourage
> any increase in the oil supply. He accused independent gas
> stations of price fixing and accused big oil of ""excess
> profits".
Fact check:
Big Oil has millions of acres of
oil lands leased from the government
they are not using. Why is that?
By the numbers: Oil industry awash in
permits, leases while pushing for more
drilling
Mar 15, 2022
Combined, the oil and gas industry
holds leases to more than 25 million
acres of publicly-owned minerals,
roughly half of which sit unused.
Companies now hold more than 9,000
approved, but unused, drilling permits
on national public lands, all of which
could be put to use today. Further,
oil production on public lands is near
all time highs, despite industry claims
that the Biden administration has
suppressed domestic production.
Even though it only accounts for
roughly 7% and 8% of domestic production,
respectively, oil and gas production on
public lands is at or near an all time
high. Similarly, the Biden administration
is continuing to approve drilling permits.
During 2021, the Bureau of Land Management
approved nearly 4,000 drilling permits —
a rate higher than during the first three
years of the Trump administration.
In total, the oil industry now holds
leases to more than 25 million acres of
public lands — an area roughly the size
of Kentucky. Of those 25 million acres,
roughly half are sitting idle, meaning
oil companies hold existing rights to
develop those resources, but are choosing
not to.
In stark contrast to the rhetoric of oil
industry trade groups, oil CEOs themselves
are bragging to investors about their
newfound “fiscal discipline” and
determination to not increase production,
which would inevitably lead to lower gas
prices for American consumers.
When the invasion of Ukraine began on
February 24, the CEO of EOG Resources —
the largest holder of approved but unused
drilling permits on public lands —
announced it would hold back production
growth, in line with its industry peers.
Just days before that, the CEO of Devon
energy — the second-largest holder of
approved but unused permits — announced it
would focus on “more dividends, less growth”
in 2022. Devon’s stock price is up 150%
year-to-year thanks to this move to keep
gas prices high.
The data shows that the Biden administration
is not standing in the way of public lands
oil production and that oil companies have
more drilling permits and leases than they
know what to do with.
https://tinyurl.com/3rs97u3j
Mitchell Holman
Aug 3, 2022, 9:12:33 AM8/3/22
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:0b7kehd0gv1kdgodt...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 02:10:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> Because it is still being pushed by the idiots in the
> democrat party and the Bastard is doing his best to
> implement as much as he can without the approval of
> Congress.
Oh, puh-leeze. Biden cannot even get
a minimum wage increase thru Congress much
less the Green New Deal that terrifies you.
news:0b7kehd0gv1kdgodt...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 02:10:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> democrat party and the Bastard is doing his best to
> implement as much as he can without the approval of
> Congress.
Oh, puh-leeze. Biden cannot even get
a minimum wage increase thru Congress much
less the Green New Deal that terrifies you.
Scout
Aug 3, 2022, 9:21:09 AM8/3/22
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"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:42:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
> He shut down pipeline construction thereby telling the oil
> companies that source would not be available. Various
> permits required for new plants and equipment from various
> government agencies have new restrictions or have been
> delayed.
At let's not forget the approved permits that were issued, and then
> companies that source would not be available. Various
> permits required for new plants and equipment from various
> government agencies have new restrictions or have been
> delayed.
arbitrarily withdrawn just because Biden got a hair up his ass.
>The Bastard has said before he was elected he
> wished to end the fossil fuel industry and since his
> election he has eliminated a lot of the strategic reserve we
> had for national defense and has done nothing to encourage
> any increase in the oil supply. He accused independent gas
> stations of price fixing and accused big oil of ""excess
> profits".
>
> "excess"?
>
> BTW what happens to oil profits? They are usually paid out
> in dividends to stockholders. Just who do you think these
> stockholders are?
>
> Who owns "Big Oil"?
> The Answer: Chances are it's "you." Through mutual fund
> accounts, IRAs or personal retirement accounts, or a pension
> plan, Americans invest in oil and natural gas stocks. Only
> 2.9 percent of industry shares are owned by corporate
> management and the rest are owned by tens of millions of
> Americans
>
>
>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats.
>
> The most dangerious enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Two Bitches and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line
> and are working against the country and
> what it stands for.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal!
>
> I dare call it treason.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 3, 2022, 3:05:55 PM8/3/22
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On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 02:10:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
Holman, are Atilla and Snotty the same guy? I ask because neither of
them make sense. I doubt either of them even knows what a fact IS.
Holman, are Atilla and Snotty the same guy? I ask because neither of
them make sense. I doubt either of them even knows what a fact IS.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 3, 2022, 3:07:28 PM8/3/22
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On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 02:13:54 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Big Oil has millions of acres of
>oil lands leased from the government
>they are not using. Why is that?
"What is: Because they'd rather make their money on margin than
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Big Oil has millions of acres of
>oil lands leased from the government
>they are not using. Why is that?
volume, Alex?"
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 3, 2022, 3:29:54 PM8/3/22
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On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:34:50 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
>At let's not forget the approved permits that were issued, and then
>arbitrarily withdrawn just because Biden got a hair up his ass.
Let's put this right wingnut "Democrats won't let us drill" bullshit
>At let's not forget the approved permits that were issued, and then
>arbitrarily withdrawn just because Biden got a hair up his ass.
to bed.
"“Investors have demanded that producers maintain capital discipline
and grow volumes modestly. Returns have taken priority over growth. Up
until recently, a producer planning to significantly grow production
volumes would likely have been punished by investors. However, that
sentiment may be changing with oil prices where they are and the
potential need to replace Russian barrels on the global market. "
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2022/03/11/what-is-holding-back-us-oil-production/?sh=1a41f7466b6f
"As to why they weren't drilling more, oil executives blamed Wall
Street. Nearly 60% cited "investor pressure to maintain capital
discipline" as the primary reason oil companies weren't drilling more
despite skyrocketing prices, according to the Dallas Fed survey. "
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oil-production-prices-us-companies-wont-increase-2022-dallas-fed-survey/
"Three-quarters of America’s oil production and 86% of its gas
production happens on private and state land -- not U.S. government
lands and waters."
"U.S. shale producers expect the oil price spike to be short-term, and
shareholders don’t want companies investing capital in robust drilling
programs delivering new production in 18 months, Pioneer Natural
Resources Co. Chief Executive Officer Scott Sheffield said Wednesday.
Oil futures indicate companies would get lower prices for crude that
begins flowing in 12 to 18 months. "
"Nearly 60% of leased federal acreage isn’t producing oil or gas,
Psaki said. Yet a greater share of federal leases are producing oil
and gas than any other time in the past two decades. Some 66% of
onshore federal leases were churning out crude or gas in fiscal 2021,
the most recent data available."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-11/ukraine-war-puts-biden-and-u-s-oil-at-odds-on-domestic-drilling
You know my postion anyway. Gas pricing is best friends with fighting
climate change so I don't care if they pump more or not.
governo...@gmail.com
Aug 4, 2022, 4:26:27 PM8/4/22
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 19:32:24 -0400, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 00:16:25 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
I see you're still running away, chickenshit.
>On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 00:16:25 -0600, Just Wondering <J...@jw.com> wrote:
Swill
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