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Subject: Re: Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven Here..Rev#2<<
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Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven Here
Thanks to Mark Van Alstine and Steve Smock for verifying
some of my material.
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>"Attn: Mark Van Alstine! Soviets Were the Jews!"
>I thank you once again for helping me prove my point
>about the Soviets actually being Jews Mark!
> Doc Tavish
Subject: Attn: Mark Van Alstine! Soviets Were the Jews!
From: doc_t...@nonspam.bigfoot.com (Billy Dale McTavish)
Date: 1998/02/04
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> In article <3455009C...@netwave.ca>,
> steve mock <sm...@netwave.ca> wrote:
> > Doc Tavish wrote:
From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and
Ukrainians and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets,
the Germans harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to
round up and kill Jews."
I now ask: "How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward
the Soviets, if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union was
a Jewish conceived and run totalitarian state!
"Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a conspicuous
part in the revolution of November, 1917, which enabled the
Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew.
Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian
Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however,
are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial
antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were
largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist
movement was well understood in Russia. "The White Armies which
opposed the Bolsehvik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks
as common enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
Steve Smock wrote:
> > I would like to take a very close look at Mr. Tavish's claim
> > here,because I believe it is the stupidest and evilest thing
> > he says in what is fundamentally a very stupid and evil history
> > of his fantasy that the Jews were somehow behind the crimes
> > of the Soviet regime..
You are still in a state of denial aren't you?
> > First, we'll examine Dawidowicz' quote.
Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> The very first step is, of course, that of verifying the cited
> quote. In my copy of _War Gainst the Jews_ (tenth aniversary
> trade edition, Bantam (1986) I was unable to find the quoted
> text on page 377.
I have the 5th printing dated April 1979 and the text I quoted
is from page 377 in the start of the 14th Chapter called:
Who Shall Live and Who Shall Die."
<snip>
> Then, skimming through chapters 7-14, I finally found the quoted
> text on page 279:
> <begin quote>
> Like a tornado the Einsatzgruppen swept through the Jewish
> settlements of Eastern Europe in the summer of 1941, destroying
> age-old communities in cyclonic upheaval. The German invasion
> found the Russians unprepared militarily and the civilian
> population disoriented and demoralized.
> Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices of the
> Lithuanians, Balts and Ukranians and activating their accumulated
> hatred for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the violent energies
> of these willing collaborators to round up and kill the Jews.
The above extract is the start of Chapter 14 in my version.
<snip>
> Source: Source: Dawidowicz, _War Against the Jews_, p.279.
Steve Smock continues:
> > She states that many Lithuanians, Balts and Ukranians held
> > irrational anti-Semitic predjudices, much like Mr. Tavish himself. > > Not
only that, but she is stating that these predjudices allowed
> > otherwise civilized people to participate in a campaign of murder > >
against innocent people.
The whole point being the Lithuanians, Balts and Ukranians couldn't
have been anti-Semitic toward the Soviets if they weren't in FACT
Jews!
Read again one more time apologist for the most murderous horde to
roam the Earth!
"Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices of the
Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians and activating their
accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the
violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
up and kill Jews."
Doc Tavish
> Mark
Click this link for undeniable and irrefutable proofs that Jews
were, in fact, the creators and minds behind the Soviet State:
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=344523647&fmt=text
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>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william
>http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=grosvenor+faq
"Master of Malice: The Ghermezians put an end to Bill Grosvenor's 'news
tips'"
Alberta Report
July 3, 1989 , Pg. 19-20
By Tom Philip and Glenn Kubish
Edmonton Reporters know all about William (Bill) Grosvenor's "news tips."
The invariably concern the Ghermezian family, developers of West Edmonton
Mall, and they always have something bad to say about the Ghermezians and
their company, Triple Five Corporation. "Hi, it's Bill Grosvenor," goes a
typical call. "I've just persuaded the British authorities to cancel the
Leeds project." A few phone calls and the "story" inevitably turns out to be
false. But other Grosvenor claims are downright defamatory - a favorite is
that the Ghermezians are selling drugs in the video arcade at West Edmonton
Mall - and Grosvenor doesn't just make them to Edmonton reporters, with whom
he has exhausted whatever credibility he might once have had. Grosvenor,
like the Ghermezians, has expanded his operations to Europe, where he has
made his malicious comments to newspaper reporters and businessmen who don't
know any better than to believe him.
The Ghermezians - brothers Raphael, Bahman, Eskander and Nader - fear
Grosvenor may have done significant damage to their business ventures in
Europe, where they are negotiating to replicate West Edmonton Mall with
developments in Leeds, England and Oberhausen, West Germany. Yet they did
little about it until an Alberta Report story last month quoted Grosvenor
admitting he intends "to use all means at my disposal anywhere in the world
to put the Ghermezians out of business." The Ghermezians cited the story,
which detailed Grosvenor's methods and motives, in obtaining an interim
injunction from Mr. Justice D.R. Matheson of the Court of Queen's Bench of A
lberta two weeks ago. It prevents Grosvenor from making "any statement
intending to prejudice the minds of the public" against the Ghermezians, and
from communicating with anyone doing business with the family. A few days
later they obtained a similar injunction from a court in West Germany, where
Triple Five is negotiating to build a $6-billion World Tourist Centre in the
north Rhine city of Oberhausen.
The Ghermezians backed their application for the gag order with stories from
Alberta Report and the West German newspaper Die Zeit. Alberta Report has
also obtained numerous letters, court documents, newspaper articles - even
Grosvenor's own resume - dating back to 1970, revealing that Grosvenor, 48,
has a criminal record for assault and extortion, that he was diagnosed at
Riverview Psychiatric Hospital in British Columbia in 1973 as suffering from
a paranoid personality disorder, and that his harassment of the Ghermezians
is only the latest in a 20-year series of vendettas against corporations and
individuals, including leading figures of the British Columbia legislature
and judiciary. The documents also reveal a remarkable willingness on the
part of some newspapers to accept Grosvenor at face value. The Edmonton
Journal, in particular, has described him over the years as a "consultant,"
an "import-export consultant" and "president of an international management
consulting firm," lending Grosvenor a credibility which his history shows is
not deserved.
William David Michael Grosvenor's career as a self-described opponent of
graft and corruption began shortly after he arrived in Toronto (he says from
England) in the mid-1960s, and it got off to an inauspicious start.
According to a Vancouver Sun story about Grosvenor in July 1970, Grosvenor
was fined $50 in April 1967 for assaulting a security guard who was
attempting to eject him from a bank he was picketing over alleged
"irregularity." At about the same time, Grosvenor claimed credit for
uncovering wrongdoing in the affairs of Prudential Finance Corp., an Ontario
company that collapsed owing creditors $20 million. But then-Finance
minister Mitchell Sharp told parliament that Grosvenor had "revealed nothing
of value." Indeed, Mr. Sharp believed that Grosvenor, who describes himself
in his resume as "a registered expert on fraudulent bankruptcies with the
RCMP," had probably been fired by Prudential's auditors. In 1968, after a
brief stint with an accounting firm in Halifax (where he changed his name
from Gruber), Grosvenor left for Prince Rupert, B.C., where he found work
with accountant Odd Eidsvik. A source claims Mr. Eidsvik soon became
disenchanted with Grosvenor's work and cut his pay in half.
It was while living in Prince Rupert that Grosvenor discovered a new avenue
for pursuing his many grievances: the courts. In February 1970, Grosvenor
charged Prince Rupert MLA William Murray and provincial court Judge W.N.
Poole under the B.C. Companies Act with failing to file an annual return for
companies of which he claimed they were directors. A district judge promptly
threw out the charges, noting that Grosvenor had failed to make even a prima
facie case that Mr. Murray and Judge Poole were directors of the companies
in question - but not before the story was picked up and prominently
displayed by the Vancouver Province, which printed the news of the charges
without comment. At about the same time, Grosvenor charged the local Bank of
Montreal with forgery. Again the case was dismissed, with Judge J.T. Harvey
labelling Grosvenor a "master of malice" for bringing an action against a
bank that had intended only to spare him the embarrassment of having a
cheque bounce.
All told, Grosvenor brought seven court cases in less than a year while
living in Prince Rupert. Four never got to trial, two were dismissed and one
ended with Grosvenor being ordered to pay a counter-claim larger than the
amount owed him. In July 1970, Mr. Justice A.B. Macfarlane of the B.C.
Supreme Court invoked a law designed to prevent abuse of the courts to
prohibit Grosvenor from instituting any new legal proceedings in the
province without the permission of a court. In the meantime, Grosvenor
himself had faced charges. In April 1970 he was convicted of attempting to
extort $50 from Prince Rupert businessman Campbell McLeod by threatening to
prosecute him under the B.C. Companies Act. He was sentenced to one day in
jail and fined $400.
Shortly thereafter Grosvenor moved to suburban Vancouver, where he found a
new target in General Motors Canada Ltd. (GM), manufacturers of the
problem-plagued Firenza. In May 1973 he and a woman named Hendrika Peeters,
with whom he shared a New Westminster address, stationed themselves outside
a Vancouver GM dealership and attempted to steer potential customers to
another GM dealership a few blocks away. "It is utterly incredible to me,"
said Mr. Justice A.A. Mackoff of the B.C. Supreme Court in issuing an
injunction barring Grosvenor from the site, "that a group saying it seeks to
relay information about General Motors should have the temerity to say this
GM dealer is a good guy and the other GM dealer, who sells the same products
they labelled as junk, is a bad guy." Throughout the affair, Grosvenor
passed himself off as the B.C. representative of the respected Automobile
Protection Association (APA), prompting APA president Phil Edmonston to ask
B.C.'s attorney- general to investigate whether Grosvenor had been
"soliciting money or carrying out other undesirable activities in our name."
Grosvenor dropped out of sight during the mid-1970s, during which time he
claims to have been a consultant, "processed for top secret and military
security clearance," to the prime minister of Malaysia. In 1980 he surfaced
in Edmonton where he threatened to sue the city for $200 when a tent
belonging to a Malaysian cultural group with which he was associated blew
down in a storm during the city's Heritage Days festival. In February 1980,
he also gained attention when he apologized to the Iranian Embassy for
Canada's role in spiriting six U.S. diplomats out of Tehran in the days
following the Islamic revolution. Grosvenor called the assistance given to
the diplomats by Kenneth Taylor, Canada's ambassador to Iran, a "criminal
act" intended to aid U.S. "spies."
In the intervening years, Grosvenor has waged an unceasing campaign
intended, in his words "to put the Ghermezians out of business." After
returning from West Germany last week, Grosvenor was holed up in his home in
Edmonton's Dickinsfield neighbourhood, reportedly refusing service of the
Triple Five gag order. The company's lawyers were preparing to go to court
again Monday morning for an order allowing them to nail the injunction to
the door of Grosvenor's home, which is in fact owned by his wife, Sario.
Grosvenor could also face extortion charges in connection with his campaign
against the Ghermezians. According to a $22-million lawsuit filed against
him by the family, Grosvenor told a Ghermezian associate that a payment of
$1.2 million would leave him "too busy to continue his harassment of the
plaintiffs for at least three year." The Ghermezians intend to keep him
quiet for a lot longer than that.
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