I would wager that the word “canny” is a term that the Scots would
prefer not to talk about at the moment. However their business errors
go back centuries. I show just three below. To paraphrase Dr Samuel
Johnson: “The noblest prospect which a Scotsman ever sees, is the high
road that leads him to the Bank of England“.
1. Darien: The Scottish Dream of Empire which collapsed in the early
1700’s.. The English had to pay their bills and feed their population.
2. Royal Bank of Scotland which came very near to collapse under the
management of the Scottish banker known as Fred The Shred just last
year.
Sir Fred Goodwin's meteoric rise to head RBS came to a shuddering halt
after he gambled away his companies assets.
3. Now we have this FlyGlobalspan fiasco where again England will have
to help the stranded passengers to return home to Scotland.
Scotch? What's whisky got to do with this?
McK.
> As is the common way with Scotch-run businesses, the tour operator
> FlyGlobalspan has gone mammaries up. This has had the most unfortunate
> effect with the airwaves being alive with the sound of Scotch voices
> whining about how "It isnae fair that t'Anglish aren't bailin' us oot as
> they usually do....How cuid we be expected ti' know that we wouldnae get
> ouir money back if we didnae pay by credit card....Why wuz thare nae
> firm guidin' t'Anglish hand tae look after uis laik thare used tur
> be...It isnae fair... RH
Perhaps you could explain why E-clear, a company based in Berkeley Square,
Mayfair, London, was hanging on to �20M of Flyglobespan cash for which
flights had already been taken as well as some �14M more?
*nland is bankrupt you ignoramus, they spend ALL their time raping and
pillaging other countries including Scotland and are now a defunct nation!
LOL!
>3. Now we have this FlyGlobalspan fiasco where again England will have
>to help the stranded passengers to return home to Scotland.
>
Sir Freddie Laker says "hi".
Where do they find these cretinous English posters?
I would wager that the word �ソスcanny�ソス is a term that the Scots would
prefer not to talk about at the moment.
Do you actually know what the word means?
However their business errors
go back centuries.
So does every country in the World. So what?
I show just three below. To paraphrase Dr Samuel
Johnson: �ソスThe noblest prospect which a Scotsman ever sees, is the high
road that leads him to the Bank of England�ソス.
Is that because it was a Scotsman who started the Bank of England?
1. Darien: The Scottish Dream of Empire which collapsed in the early
1700�ソスs.. The English had to pay their bills and feed their population.
Rather a distortion of history on your part, but what else would we expect
from youi.
In the first place the Darian episode was used by the English to drive the
Scots into bankruptcy. As Monarch of both Scotland and England the Monarch
had an equal duty to both the English and Scots subjects.
The first act of treachery was that the English, (with Dutch assistance),
pledged to finance 50% of the expeditions funding.
They waited until the ships were purchased and the crews engaged and then
pulled out of the contract they had made. This left the whole enterprise
underfunded but which the Scots could not now pull out from.
Then the monarch instructed the King's navy not to aid the Scots expedition
but the king was also the king of Scotland.
The Kings Soldiers were also instructed not to aid the expedition even
although the army was in the area.
How typical of English back stabbing this whole episode was.
2. Royal Bank of Scotland which came very near to collapse under the
management of the Scottish banker known as Fred The Shred just last
year.
Strange then that you cannot remember the first banking trouble in the UK
was Northern Rock and that was bailed out with UK taxpayers money.
How come the English financial organisations got bailed out by the UK
taxpayer but the Scottish organisations had to be taken over by English
ones?
Sir Fred Goodwin's meteoric rise to head RBS came to a shuddering halt
after he gambled away his companies assets.
3. Now we have this FlyGlobalspan fiasco where again England will have
to help the stranded passengers to return home to Scotland.
Didn't you kinow that this company folded due to being let down by , you
guessed it, an English company, (E-Clear), who owed them �ソス34 million with
�ソス20 Million of that for passengers who had already flown. Not only that but
you seem to have missed the little fact that Hertford based Libra Holidays,
Argo Holidays and Jetlife also went into administration this week.
All of which shows you are ignorant of the facts, both historic and current,
and your sole agenda of posting your lies, half-truths and not posting
ommission involving the English.
This is an obvious bigoted attack and could probably have you reported for
racist abuse.
As a troll you are a complete failure. As we say in Scotland, Awa an bile
yer heid ya numptie.
--
Auld Bob
Of course he cannot explain it. Is it not obvious the numptie is utterly
stupid and very ignorant of both historic and current facts?
--
Auld Bob
He's not English, if I understand correctly.
While we're about it, does anybody have a clue to the nationality of
Elias Ela, the CEO of E - Clear?
DVH is a Mongol in disguise. LOL.
Now that is something to be "proud" of, considering that there are so
many financial-wankers north of the border, you are obviously doing
everything you can to hold your own end up.
Laughing at your own jokes is a sign of retardation.
Nope. Patterson was merely one of a number of the projectors (Bank
est5ablished 1694) and was soon sent skulking back to Scotchland where
he presided over the Darien fiasco (begun 1696) . RH
>
>1. Darien: The Scottish Dream of Empire which collapsed in the early
>1700’s.. The English had to pay their bills and feed their population.
>
>Rather a distortion of history on your part, but what else would we
>expect from youi.
>
>In the first place the Darian episode was used by the English to drive
>the Scots into bankruptcy. As Monarch of both Scotland and England the
>Monarch had an equal duty to both the English and Scots subjects.
>
ROTFL! The Scotch expected the English not only to underwrite the
scheme but to put English lives and treasure at risk by providing the
military support for an adventure by a foreign country and ancestral
foe. . RH
>The first act of treachery was that the English, (with Dutch
>assistance), pledged to finance 50% of the expeditions funding. They
>waited until the ships were purchased and the crews engaged and then
>pulled out of the contract they had made. This left the whole
>enterprise underfunded but which the Scots could not now pull out from.
>
It was underfunded because the treasurer ran off with much of the money.
RH
>Then the monarch instructed the King's navy not to aid the Scots
>expedition but the king was also the king of Scotland. The Kings
>Soldiers were also instructed not to aid the expedition even although
>the army was in the area.
The English navy paid for entirely by English money. RH
>
>How typical of English back stabbing this whole episode was.
>
>2. Royal Bank of Scotland which came very near to collapse under the
>management of the Scottish banker known as Fred The Shred just last
>year.
>
>Strange then that you cannot remember the first banking trouble in the
>UK was Northern Rock and that was bailed out with UK taxpayers money.
Bailed out with English money because Scotchland is a net beneficiary
from public expenditure while England is a net loser. RH
>How come the English financial organisations got bailed out by the UK
>taxpayer
See above. RH
> but the Scottish organisations had to be taken over by English ones?
>
The Scotch banks were absurdly inflated and were grossly insolvent
because of the criminally reckless Scotch behaviour .... RH
>Sir Fred Goodwin's meteoric rise to head RBS came to a shuddering halt
>after he gambled away his companies assets.
>
>
>
>3. Now we have this FlyGlobalspan fiasco where again England will have
>to help the stranded passengers to return home to Scotland.
>
>Didn't you kinow that this company folded due to being let down by ,
>you guessed it, an English company, (E-Clear), who owed them £34
>million with £20 Million of that for passengers who had already flown.
Normal practice in the airline industry. RH
>Not only that but you seem to have missed the little fact that Hertford
>based Libra Holidays, Argo Holidays and Jetlife also went into
>administration this week.
>
>All of which shows you are ignorant of the facts, both historic and
>current, and your sole agenda of posting your lies, half-truths and not
>posting ommission involving the English. This is an obvious bigoted
>attack and could probably have you reported for racist abuse.
>
>As a troll you are a complete failure. As we say in Scotland, Awa an
>bile yer heid ya numptie.
>--
Oh, the irony, Auld Bob Ifhecouldonlyseehimselfasothersseehimers... RH
>
>Auld Bob
Burchfield [1] has some interesting things to say on this topic:
Scotch. Scots, Scottish. It is not pos-
sible to set down here all the complica-
tions of this somewhat sensitive group
of words. The adjective Scotch, in origin
a contracted variant of Scottish, 'had been
adopted into the northern vernacular
before the end of the 18th c.; it [was] used
regularly by Burns, and subsequently by
Scott' (OED). But 'since the mid-19th c.
there has been in Scotland a growing
tendency to discard the form altogether,
Scottish, or less frequently Scots, being
substituted' (OED). Scots is also a long-
standing variant of Scottish. The outcome
is that all three adjectives are still cur-
rent, but Scotch is the least frequent and
survives mainly in certain collocations,
e.g. Scotch broth, Scotch egg, Scotch mist,
Scotch terrier, Scotch tweed, Scotch whisky,
and a few others. Scots is the term regu-
larly used of the form of English spoken
in (esp. Lowlands) Scotland. It also occurs
in the names of certain Scottish regi-
ments. But the all-embracing general ad-
jective meaning 'of or relating to
Scotland, its history, its day-to-day life,
or its inhabitants', is Scottish. These are
middle-class preferences. 'Paradoxically,'
A.J. Aitken reports in OCELang. (1992),'for
working class Scots the common form
has long been Scotch ... and the native
form Scots is sometimes regarded as an
Anglicized affectation.' Outside Scot-
land, and esp. outside the UK, Scottish
preferences are less well-known. Scotch is
likely to occur, both as adj. and noun, in
contexts which middle-class Scots would
regard as either droll or improper.
[1] R W BURCHFIELD (ed.): Fowler's Modern English Usage. 3rd ed, Oxford,
Clarendon Press, 1996. ISBN: 0 19 869136 2.
Normal practice in the airline industry. RH
Robert, what has this got to do with anything? It does nothing to
prove your point.
Are you just trolling again - and bringing the English into disreoute
once more?
GMc
Is a company defined by the nationality of its CEO?
London based seems to say it all.
GMc
Got to say say there are a few financial idiots north of the border
but they are far outnumbered by the huge amount down south.
GMc
In my experience, ethnicity has a huge bearing on business behavior
and morality - wherever the company is based!
FWIW, the two Scots managers I worked under in my career were complete
bullying bastards!
But you understand nothing correctly... RH
Nope. Normal practice is to hold onto the funds for flights not yet taken,
i.e. the �14M. Why did they retain the �20M?
GMc
Och! He is just upset because he thought he was being so clever, only to
find out he was very stupid.
After all his original little dig at the Globespan fell flat on its face as
the English firm, "E-Clear", were the reason that Globespan had to go bust.
The English E-Clear owed Globespan �34 billion. Not only that but E-Clear's
boss has led a consortium that wanted to buy a share of Globespan so it is
quite obvious what the score is. Then his little jolly jape also came a
cropper as several English travel firms went bust yesterday too. Libra
Holidays, Argo Holidays, Jetlife and the Allbury Group all went to the wall.
Elias Elia, down there in England, seems to have brought several companies
to their knees.
Now the numptie, Jon, is throwing a hissy fit because he made himself look
the fool he is.
All his bluster, and schoolchild attempt at lavatorial humour, cannot
disguise just how lame the numptie is.
Look! Little Jon, when you find yourself in a hole you cannot get out from,
the first thing to do is stop digging., (but you won't - will you)?
--
Auld Bob
Auld Bob
He wouldn't be the first wealthy retard...
Aaw, don't be like that. Your little helper regurgitated almost word for
word points you've previously made here. You must allow me to poke fun at
his sycophancy.
Robert, what has this got to do with anything? It does nothing to
prove your point.
Are you just trolling again - and bringing the English into disreoute
once more?
GMcThe idiot keeps trotting this out at irregular intervals.
The laughable thing about it is that he has failed to read it properly and
the quote actually proves him wrong.
Even worst than that, I have pointed his error out to him on several
occasions and the bugger is so thick he thinks I am wrong.
However, if you read the starred part, above, you will see Burchfield has
said that, "Scottish", is the correct term.
He then states that these are middle class preferences and then there is a
full stop. The next sentence begins, "'Paradoxically,'
A.J. Aitken reports in OCELang. (1992),'for
working class Scots the common form
has long been Scotch.
So Burchfield is saying that what A.J.Aitken claims is a paradox and what
A.J. Aitken claimed was, "'for
working class Scots the common form
has long been Scotch and the native
form Scots is sometimes regarded as an
Anglicized affectation.'
So Henderson not only fails to understand that Burchfield is saying that the
correct term is Scots or Scottish but Burchfield is also saying that what
A.J. Aitken said was a paradox.
So Henderson cannot read English and/or does not know what a paradox is.
--
Auld Bob
--
Auld Bob
I've no idea.
This ng seems to attract them like flies around a shit pot. In fact we
are attracting the very dregs of *nglish society.
Hardy
Many *nglish yobs like yoruself and hendarson are not even fit to wipe
my arse!!
In fact you are not fit to wipe Auld Bobs arse either and that's
saying something.
F.
Uriah Heaps as often as not.... RH
Fantasy Celt education!!!! RH
>In message
><57ee5a02-ad68-48ca...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>broadssailor <graham....@tiscali.co.uk> writes
>>> London based seems to say it all.
>>>
>>> GMc
>>
>>In my experience, ethnicity has a huge bearing on business behavior and
>>morality - wherever the company is based!
>>
>>FWIW, the two Scots managers I worked under in my career were complete
>>bullying bastards!
>
>
>Uriah Heaps as often as not.... RH
I could have sworn Uriah Heep was an English creation.
At least a couple of them.
Jim
I suggest you go and work in industry to acquaint yourself with what is
normal practice. No company pays over money until they have to. RH
A fictional character happily. The Scotch versions are real. RH
Your incomprehension continues... RH
Auld Bob
You should be proud Jon is able to parrot your posts. It's evidence you have
at least one reader!
How long did it take you to realise it was a typing error, Robert?
LOL
GMc
A robust sample then.
Perhaps it was just you?
GMc
So does the nationality of the CEO define the Company then?
GMc
Excellent '70s rock band.
GMc
Eh? - You sure?
GMc
Because the guy who heads the English company holding on to the funds heads
a consortium who were attempting to buy shares in the Scottish company. By
not paying the cash they thus hoped to force the share price down to get a
bargain.
--
Auld Bob.
Your incomprehension continues... RH
Tying error my eye..... RH
>LOL
>
>GMc
Ah, I see you have no experience in the private sector.... RH
>GMc
Rabbie hates the Scots, even though he hss a Scottish name! lol!
> In message
> <82daa248-72b3-4f8d...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, GM
> <g-...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>> >isreoute
>>>
>>> Fantasy Celt education!!!! RH
>>> --
>>
>>How long did it take you to realise it was a typing error, Robert?
>>
>
> Tying error my eye..... RH
>
Oh, the irony! Fantasy Anglo-Saxon education!!!
Your incomprehension continues... RH
What are you on about now?
I really didn't try to tie anything. You made some comment about
education - I asked how long it took you to realise it was a typing
error and you start going on about tying!
You really are quite a buffoon aren't you? You are a complete
embarrassment to the honest people of London.
Why not stick to harassing your local council rather than embellishing
these newsgroups with your feeble intellect, crass comments, ill
thought out arguments and frequent deviations into your fantasy world
of doctors and nurses?
GMc
You are completely and utterly wrong with your comment (yet again). I
have many years experience in the private sector and your earlier
statement that "no company pays over money until they have to" is a
load of rubbish. There are many reasons that a Company may delay
payment but to state that no Company pays until the have to is just
absurd. Was that your experience in the tax office that led you to
this conclusion then?
GMc
Now we do have a parrot in the thread.... RH
I suggest you go and find a company with, for example, 90 days
settlement terms who pays in less than 90 days. RH
> Was that your experience in the tax office that led you to this
>conclusion then?
>
No, my years in private business.... RH
Diageo
>
> > Was that your experience in the tax office that led you to this
> >conclusion then?
>
> No, my years in private business.... RH
>
What? Selling articles to Wisden?
GMc
You mean English theft and Embezzlement, of course it is normal
practice.
>
> >Not only that but you seem to have missed the little fact that Hertford
> >based Libra Holidays, Argo Holidays and Jetlife also went into
> >administration this week.
>
> >All of which shows you are ignorant of the facts, both historic and
> >current, and your sole agenda of posting your lies, half-truths and not
> >posting ommission involving the English. This is an obvious bigoted
> >attack and could probably have you reported for racist abuse.
>
> >As a troll you are a complete failure. As we say in Scotland, Awa an
> >bile yer heid ya numptie.
> >--
>
> Oh, the irony, Auld Bob Ifhecouldonlyseehimselfasothersseehimers... RH
>
>
>
> >Auld Bob
Normal practice anywhere. Of course, Scotchland has very little
commercial activity, the vast majority of the Scotch GDP being comprised
of English subsidy funded public employment... RH
Prove it. RH
>>
>> > Was that your experience in the tax office that led you to this
>> >conclusion then?
>>
>> No, my years in private business.... RH
>>
>
>What? Selling articles to Wisden?
>
>GMc
Nope, working in industry.... RH
OK. I worked for them for years - they had a policy of paying in
good time (not at the last minute). This was to ensure that local
suppliers and contractors wanted to work for Diageo before any
competitor. This policy worked.
>
>
>
> >> > Was that your experience in the tax office that led you to this
> >> >conclusion then?
>
> >> No, my years in private business.... RH
>
> >What? Selling articles to Wisden?
>
> >GMc
>
> Nope, working in industry.... RH
> --
> Robert Henderson
Prove it.
GMc
The proof is in my posts which demonstrate my familiarity with business
practices... RH
Your post the exact opposite, you have no business brain
whatsoever.Infact an amoeba has more brain cells than you do.
Nkosi
Nkosi
That'll be his sense of irony coming through again<G>
--
Auld Bob
> I would wager that the word �canny� is a term that the Scots would
> prefer not to talk about at the moment.
They'd certainly prefer not to know that the word comes from Old English.
> I would wager that the word �canny� is a term that the Scots would
> prefer not to talk about at the moment.
> Do you actually know what the word means?
Do you understand it's etymology?
> As a troll you are a complete failure. As we say in Scotland, Awa an bile
> yer heid ya numptie.
Ah, yes, the Germanic language you speak that derives from Old English.
> Robert Peffers wrote:
>
> > I would wager that the word ᅵcannyᅵ is a term that the Scots would
> > prefer not to talk about at the moment.
>
> > Do you actually know what the word means?
>
> Do you understand it's etymology?
We ken it fine.
(It's "its" above, btw.)
--
Alan Smaill
> White Spirit <wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> writes:
>> Robert Peffers wrote:
>>> I would wager that the word ?canny? is a term that the Scots would
>>> prefer not to talk about at the moment.
>>> Do you actually know what the word means?
>> Do you understand it's etymology?
> We ken it fine.
��t cann ic eac swelce ;)
> (It's "its" above, btw.)
I know, I noticed that after I sent it.
How many times do you need to be told until it penetrates that thick
piece of shite you call a brain, there is no place called scotchland,
and england has no money of its own.
Nkosi
There has been no proof in any of your posts that you have even the
slightest understanding of business practices. Is this your idea of
an argument? Are you slipping back into your fantasy world?
GMc
Oh, the irony...a fantasy Celt suggesting someone is living in a
fantasy world... RH
>
>GMc
Robert. You are the one who is constantly referring to doctors and
nurses - especially when your are being humiliated in a argument.
GMc
Yep, that's your normal state in this ng.... RH
Thank you, Robert. I accept your surrender on this topic.
GMc
"Doctor...." RH