By 2012, Scotch public spending is expected to rise to 67 per cent GDP
Robert Henderson
Scotland's dependence on state increasing
Scotland is poised to become the third most state-dependent country in
the world, with only Cuba and Iraq spending more on public services,
according to economic forecasters.
By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent
Published: 7:47PM GMT 11 Jan 2009
By 2012, public spending is expected to rise to 67 per cent of the
country's gross domestic product (GDP). The communist regime in Cuba
spends just over 80 per cent of its GDP on public services, while in
Baghdad the figure is 87 per cent.
A report by the Centre for Economics and Business Research claims the
Scottish figures are putting an "unfair burden" on English taxpayers and
warns that the growing public sector north of the border is
unsustainable. Under the Barnett formula, which is used to set
Scotland's public spending budget, Scots now receive �1,644 more per
head than residents of England.....
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Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
True Blue
in turn from the EU, we might at last be forever free of socialism.
One Scottish regular here - I forget who - has the habit of replying
to Robert's posts with; "Come in Agent Broon, yer mission is
accomplished", or similar. It is interesting to speculate on how, if
there *were* a diabolical Scottish plot to wreck England's economy,
one would improve on Brown's performance. What would you do
differently, to fuck the country up, better than Brown?
Paul C
<garyb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Should Scotland decide to gain independence from England,
Independence from England. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! The numpties are out in
force today.
True Blue
> True Blue <garybagg...@googlemail.com> wrote in news:60130d63-2ced-4183-
> 8245-76316229e...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > one would improve on Brown's performance. What would you do
> > differently, to fuck the country up, better than Brown?
>
> destruction of Britain's manufacturing industry that was the 80s?
Yep, only another Thatcher will be able to sort out the mess that
Scots have made of England's finances. And yes, we will have to have
some "honest unemployment" again - that is people genuinely out of
work rather than "working" in "diversity awareness" or hiding in the
NHS collecting statistic for "clinical governance".
> Or we could have John 'Boom and Bust' Major running things as in the
> 90s.
"John 'Boom and Bust' Major"?? ha ha ha !! What the fuck do you think
we're going through now, you clown? At least the Tories' booms were
fuelled by production and services, and not some Scottish-managed
pyramid scheme.
With the level of state "employment" North of the border, I wonder if
many Scots actually realise that we're in the middle of a recession?
True Blue
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:55:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
>
> >Should Scotland decide to gain independence from England,
>
> Independence from England. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! The numpties are out in
> force today.
I suppose that means something to *you*. The rest of us will just have
to guess.
Love Europe, Hate the EU
True Blue
> True Blue <garybagg...@googlemail.com> wrote in news:554b4ace-199f-4ae4-
> aecd-2e52134bf...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Dec, 11:25, soupdragon <m...@privacy.com> wrote:
> >> True Blue <garybagg...@googlemail.com> wrote in news:60130d63-2ced-
> 4183-
> >> 8245-76316229e...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > one would improve on Brown's performance. What would you do
> >> > differently, to fuck the country up, better than Brown?
>
> >> Re-employ Thatcher and bring back the debacle, mass unemployment and
> >> destruction of Britain's manufacturing industry that was the 80s?
>
> > Yep, only another Thatcher will be able to sort out the mess that
> > Scots have made of England's finances. And yes, we will have to have
> > some "honest unemployment" again - that is people genuinely out of
> > work rather than "working" in "diversity awareness" or hiding in the
> > NHS collecting statistic for "clinical governance".
>
> to watch the destruction of British engineering and the dismantling
> of British manufacturing by a woman who claimed the future was in
> 'service industries' - otherwise known as burger flipping at McDs?
>
>
>
> >> Or we could have John 'Boom and Bust' Major running things as in the
> >> 90s.
>
> > "John 'Boom and Bust' Major"?? ha ha ha !! What the fuck do you think
> > we're going through now, you clown?
>
> so there you have it. Glad you agree - Major was just as bad.
>
> > At least the Tories' booms were
> > fuelled by production and services, and not some Scottish-managed
> > pyramid scheme.
>
> speculation on risky business strategies. Oh wait! They were.. Barings
> Bank, anyone?
>
> > With the level of state "employment" North of the border, I wonder if
> > many Scots actually realise that we're in the middle of a recession?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
It seems political and economic illiteracy are almost universal traits
in Scotland.
Paul C
numpty, n. and adj.
A. n. A stupid or foolish person; an idiot.
1988 M. MUNRO Patter: another Blast 50 How is it I get all the
numpties in my class? 1997 Pot Black Mag. Dec. 39/1 Place it several
inches out from the pocket nearest the lower red and definitely not,
as that numpty did fifteen odd years ago, right behind the tallest
ball. 2001 Guardian 6 July II. 18/2 No, the problem were the vets.
What a bunch of numpties.
Oxford English Dictionary
Robert Peffers
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Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
> On 12 Dec, 11:25, soupdragon <m...@privacy.com> wrote:
>> True Blue <garybagg...@googlemail.com> wrote in news:60130d63-2ced-4183-
>> 8245-76316229e...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > one would improve on Brown's performance. What would you do
>> > differently, to fuck the country up, better than Brown?
>>
>> Re-employ Thatcher and bring back the debacle, mass unemployment and
>> destruction of Britain's manufacturing industry that was the 80s?
>
> Yep, only another Thatcher will be able to sort out the mess that
> Scots have made of England's finances.
First tell us how the 59 Scots MPs, (of all parties), at Westminster
managed to outwit the 533 English MPs at Westminster of which 193 are
Conservatives?
Then tell us if it was just Gordon Brown who seem to think did it how the
effect of Brown's handling of the UK situation has caused a World wide
recesseon?
> And yes, we will have to have
> some "honest unemployment" again - that is people genuinely out of
> work rather than "working" in "diversity awareness" or hiding in the
> NHS collecting statistic for "clinical governance".
You must be very young not to remember the time before the Mad Cow. When we
had a good manufacturing base. We had a steel industry, a car industry, a
motorcycle industry and a defence industry. We had a great Post office
system, Our railways were a large industry and we had a coal mining industry
that led the World in the advanced Lurgi system that treated coal to produce
gas, smokeless fuel and so many by-product I couldn't count them, all of
which are now being extracted from oil. We also had a aero industry as good
as anything in the World and we made all our own domestic appliancies.
If you don't know it was the Conservative party that sold all these things
off you are either very, very thick or just plain mad. Then there is the
little matter of the Conservative party who started the UK financial
institutions on the path that led to the break up of the ultra safe Building
Societies, Insurance and banking.
The Thatcher years saw the biggest reduction in UK business since the dawn
of the industrial revolution. >
>> Or we could have John 'Boom and Bust' Major running things as in the
>> 90s.
>
> "John 'Boom and Bust' Major"?? ha ha ha !! What the fuck do you think
> we're going through now, you clown? At least the Tories' booms were
> fuelled by production and services, and not some Scottish-managed
> pyramid scheme.
>
> With the level of state "employment" North of the border, I wonder if
> many Scots actually realise that we're in the middle of a recession?
>
Here we see more of your obvious idiocy for the biggest unemployment
blackspots are in England, and they always have been.
Here is where you can see the UK regional figures for unemployment -
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1606
and they are thus -
North East of England just over 8%.
North West 7%.
Yorkshire & Humber about 7.3%
East Midlands Just over 6%,
West Midlands just under 8%
East about 5.5%,
London just under 8%,
South East about 4.5%,
South West about 4.4%,
Wales about 6.5%,
Scotland about 5.5%
Then there is the simple fact that while London is almost 8% the sheer
number of people in London means there are more unemployed people in the
London Boroughs than in the rest of the UK put together.
Now toddle off to where ever you came from and, if you come back, make sure
you do your homework before spouting you uninformed rubbish among people who
are aware of the true facts.
Oh! By the way I'm not a Labour voter and, although Gordon Brown is my MP I
have never voted for him. Indeed I'm well over 70 and have never voted
Labour in my life. With such uninformed people like you around it is no
wonder the country is in such a mess.
A country gets the government it deserves but that does not apply to
Scotland as we only get the government the English deserve.
Home rule for ENGLAND.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
but who now knows ALL the worst blackspots are in England.Fact is that the
most consistent unemployment blackspot in the UK since before WWI has been
the London Boroughs.
Please don't take my word for it, go here -
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1606 -
and read the, "Office Of National Statistics", figures for yourself.
Then it is a simple matter to take the various areas, and countries,
population figures and work out by percentages just how many actual people
the figures represent.
Put it this way as there are so many actual unemployed people in London and
so relatively few in Scotland the claim that the English subsidise the Scots
is laughable.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
I'll tell you what it means, the word numptie means a foolish person and to
prove you fit that bill to the proverbial, "T", your daft claim that
Scotland is seeking independence from, "England", proves the point.
The true facts are that MANY Scots do indeed seek independence for Scotland.
Not from England, though, FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM.
Seems like you are just one more ignorant Englander who does not know the
difference between England and The UK of GB & NI.
Until you do you will jump to all sorts of daft conclusions. Go learn the
subject before shooting your mouth off. That way you will not look so silly.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
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> Socialist basket case.
To whom was that remark aimed?
--
Auld Bob
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
> I'm not a Labour voter
WE all realise that, Auld Bob VotesScotchNumptyPartyers.... RH
Paul C
<peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>What would you do
>> differently, to fuck the country up, better than Brown?
>I'd appoint an idiot like you to be a government advisor,
LOL!!!!!!
Robert Peffers
Robert Peffers
Explain these figures for us.
Unemployment in London = 7.8% and there are a total of 420,694 unemployed.
Unemployment in Scotland=5.6% and there are 280,000 out of work.
Figures from the Office of National Statistics -
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1606
So you are spouting lies
The West Midlands Region of England unemployment figures reached over 10.1%
this month.
Yet you are so bloody stupid you think the Scots are the worst.
As to some of your other idiotic claims - there are 59 Scots MPs in
Parliament and 533 from England and an idiot like you thinks the those 59
Scots are dominating the English!
As to the cabinet there are far more English members than Scots.
Why don't people like you have the courage of your convictions and take
England out of the Union?
Oh! I forgot, the Scots won't let you - all 59 0f them yet there are 7 of
those MPs Scottish Nationalists who want out of the union.
How does an idiot like you come by your stupid figures?
Is there a publication on sale down there called, "Statistics for dummies"?
Robert Peffers
idiots on here have not a single clue that they are miles out.
The UK average of unemployment is 6.1%.
Scotland's figures this month are 5.6%
London's is 7.8%.
And the West Midland's is reported as a whopping great 10.1%.
Yet here you are making daft accusations about the Scots. Those posting here
seem to be a tad better informed than the others.
Robert Peffers
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Do they really think that the Scots want independence from England?
Don't they know England does not even have a parliament?
How could the Scots gain independence from a country that has no parliament?
--
Auld Bob
White Spirit
> That'll be why I'm quoting you the correct unemployment figures and the
> idiots on here have not a single clue that they are miles out.
> The UK average of unemployment is 6.1%.
> Scotland's figures this month are 5.6%
> London's is 7.8%.
> And the West Midland's is reported as a whopping great 10.1%.
Two areas that have a large number of third world immigrants...
Robert Peffers
Was it not clear enough for you.
Oh! Dear!
Let's see if we can explain it in wee short words.
Well, it is like this. In 1707 two countries in Great Britain signed a
treaty to share a parliament.
These two countries were Scotland, (who signed first), and England.
Now England had beaten Ireland in a war and brought the entire island into
the new setup as the monarch, who was the common monarch of all four British
countries, ruled all Ireland and Wales was a principality of England. So
neither Ireland or Wales signed the treaty. Now after the Treaty of Union
both countries went home and passed Acts of Union to unite the Parliaments.
Well, to cut a long story short, they eventually built a new parliament at
Westminster that they all would share. This is not the Scots parliament, the
English parliament, the Welsh parliament or the Irish parliament it was THE
UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND parliament.
However in 1920 the Irish split up and the south became a republic. So this
political union is now called, "The United Kingdom of Great Britain &
Northern Ireland".
Thus if the Scots do seek independence they seek it from The United Kingdom
of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.
Got it now?
England has no parliament and Westminster belongs to all four British
Countries. It belongs to us as much as to you and it was designed and built
with money from all four UK countries. Did you miss those classes in your
history class?
--
Auld Bob
The gods have made us mad
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What's more to the point, *how* on earth could one prise the McSpongers off
the English tit from which they guzzle so happily?
(Scotland - where nouvelle cuisine is a deep-fried Mars bar)
White Spirit
> (Scotland - where nouvelle cuisine is a deep-fried Mars bar)
Since becoming multicultural, it's deep-fried pizza now. Apparently,
chicken korma doesn't work so well.
The gods have made us mad
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We really shouldn't make fun of the Scots - they have endured much hardship
through the centuries.
There is something indescribably sad about standing in the falling twilight
on a Scottish hillside, listening to the heart-rending wails that drift up
from the valley below in the stillness of the evening - plaintive cries
that echo with the misery of the ages...
"Jings, mon!! - mae weans hae nae Buckie!!!"
Which, roughly translated, means, "My goodness, there is no fortified wine
left for my children"
The gods have made us mad
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Wherever you seek your independence, please take it and clear off. I don't
think we can afford to keep you all on the brew for much longer.
You've no more oil or gas worth having - and, apart from being used as a
dumping ground for toxic waste, I fail to see what benefit Scotland is to us
any more.
So, please, take your freedom and shove off.
Robert Peffers
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fingertips.
The next step is to be able to quote citations as to where your readers can
verify the figures as both official and correct.
When you can do that then you will not look as stupid as you are about to
look.
The Scots put more into the UK economy than they get out and the official
figures show this to be the case.
However, the figures have to be extracted due to the way that the UK is
funded.
There are some figures for Wales, N. Ireland and Scotland as these all get a
block grant from the UK.
There are no such figures for England as England does not have a Parliament.
There are certain incomes to the UK coffers that have no reference to a
particular country and these are called extra-regio incomes.
These can sometimes be identified as coming from one or more UK countries
but, in most cases, we can only proportion them as a per capita figure by
the four countries population.
So when we work out the figures for each of the three countries, (not
England as there are no figures), from the UK extraregio figures we then can
see the figures for England.
So what are these extraregio incomes?
Well among them are such as Road tax, Broadcast licence, and the tax take
from fuel, wines, spirits and beer.VAT, North Sea Revenues and the profits
from companies and income tax.
All of these are common to everyone in the UK so they have to be
proportioned on a per capita basis.
There is one exception that comes to mind and this is North Sea Revenues,
(including those from fishing and power generation), but which is mainly
from North Sea Oil.
Thing is we can identify 98% of that revenue comes out of Scottish waters
and is thus not on a UK wide per capita basis like say TV broadcast
licences.
So in fact there are NO figures for England, either in or out, as these are
both shown as UK figures and the other three countries figures must be
removed from those UK figures to show England's true figure.
Now, perhaps you might explain for us how you worked out the figures that
you claim shows the Scots are, what was the quaint phrase you used?
Ah! Yes!
"What's more to the point, *how* on earth could one prise the McSpongers off
the English tit from which they guzzle so happily?".
Now unless you can prove that this, "tit", you claim as being English is NOT
the one that is actually the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern
Ireland tit, then you are looking as exposing yourself as a rather stupid
and ignorant English tit.
Please show your figures here ---
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Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
be said I have come across very few as so easy to show up as an idiot as
you.
I have asked you to prove some claims you made in this thread and I'm
certain you are too bloody stupid to answer them.
You will thus expose yourself as the utter idiot you are.
No provable figures means you are an idiot.
Let us see your proof, idiot.
--
Auld Bob
The gods have made us mad
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Groannnnnn......not only a sponging Jock, but a wordy one, to boot!
You were spouting this tripe more than 10 years ago, to my certain
knowledge, 'Auld Bob' - and all that has happened in the intervening decade
is you continuing to sit on your Caledonian arse collecting disability
benefits!
If you think that Scotland is a net contributor, then you'll be only too
pleased to achieve full independence and cut the English beggars from your
sporran strings - won't you?
But, of course *not* - you realise that Europe is no longer able to bail you
out financially - which means continuing to syphon money out of Auntie
Brit's purse, even though you despise the old girl.
Trust me, Auld Bob, English men and women would give one almighty cheer if
Scotland took to standing on it's own fat legs, instead of being carried
around in a sedan chair by perspiring English bearers!
Go on! - lift your kilts, show us your hairy unwiped arses, and tell us to
stick our money where the sun doesn't shine....
Please.....
The gods have made us mad
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You might claim disability benefit, Auld Bob - but you dance every bit as
nimbly as you did in 1998 ;)
Must be the highland air....
Robert Peffers
If you are so set on getting rid of the Scots why are you telling them to
go?
Why are you not attempting to get England a parliament of her own?
You really are so thick. The Welsh fought for and got a parliament.
Some Irish became a Republic and the rest got their own parliament.
The Scots have their own parliament too.
The English whinge on and on about subsidising the rest of the UK but they
never, ever, prove it and they cannot have their own parliament because the
English MPs wont let them because they know who is really subsidising the
English.
Here are a couple of figures for you London unemployment figures for this
month are 7.8%, West Midlands has just hit 10.1%, the UK average is 6.1% and
Scotland's figures are 5.6%.
These figures come from the Office of National Statistics and you will find
them at -
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=252
Unlike your idiotic claims I can always back up what I claim and, what's
more, I can explain my claims.
You are nothing but an parrot who knows nothing. You make lots of noise but
cannot back up your claims.
I had a fox terrier like you once.
He would look fierce and make lots of noise but he ran off with his tail
between his legs if challenged. Well to tell the truth he was before they
stopped docking tails so, like you, his wee stump went down but hardly
reached his arse. He, like you, couldn't cover his arse either.
So put up or push off like the numptie that you are.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
Nah! One who has called you bluff and shown what a numptie you are.
>
> You were spouting this tripe more than 10 years ago, to my certain
> knowledge, 'Auld Bob' - and all that has happened in the intervening
> decade is you continuing to sit on your Caledonian arse collecting
> disability benefits!
Why should I not collect them?
I became disabled mainly due to two accidents while serving my Queen and
Country
In any case I retired in 2002 having never lost a days work in 50 years.
Unlike many I have paid my dues.
>
> If you think that Scotland is a net contributor, then you'll be only too
> pleased to achieve full independence and cut the English beggars from your
> sporran strings - won't you?
If you knew me as well as you think you know me you would know I have
campaigned for that since the end of WWII.
>
> But, of course *not* - you realise that Europe is no longer able to bail
> you out financially - which means continuing to syphon money out of Auntie
> Brit's purse, even though you despise the old girl.
Don't look more of an idiot than you look already.
You are already changing the goal posts as you have been challanged.
Just up thread you were claiming that it was England financing Scotland, now
you have changed that to Britain.
Mind you you are still wrong, it is not Britain that funds the four home
countries, it is the UK of GB & NI.
Britain is a geographic term and includes the Republic of Ireland, Isle of
Man and the Channel Islands.
So just what would you have Scotland do, pay tax to the UK and not get
anything back?
We already, and always have, paid in more than we got out.
By the way the English, Welsh and Irish are all funded by the UK coffers as
these too are still part of the United Kingdom.
The point is that Scotland pays in more than she draws out.
>
> Trust me, Auld Bob, English men and women would give one almighty cheer if
> Scotland took to standing on it's own fat legs, instead of being carried
> around in a sedan chair by perspiring English bearers!
You are such an idiot. They, England, have more MPs at Westminster than all
the other countries put together and you are so bloody thick you think they
are hanging onto the Scots, Welsh and N.Irish because they think we are all
being subsidised by the English. You really are a basket case.
>
> Go on! - lift your kilts, show us your hairy unwiped arses, and tell us to
> stick our money where the sun doesn't shine....
>
> Please.....
The thing is you are so bloody thick you think we are all Highlanders who
wear kilts.
Many of us have been telling you to get your own parliament for many years,
but you just whinge and do nothing.
Then there is the little fact that it is not your money as England has no
money according to the UK books as it is the UK funds and that means ours as
well as yours.
Trouble is idiots like you cannot think for yourselves and you have never
been able to distinguish what is English and what is The UK's money.
I have pointed the figures out to you and you are just too thick to
understand them.
So what do we get?
Bluster, insults and NO FIGURES TO PROVE YOUR CASE.
That means YOU DON'T KNOW and your claims are false.
I challange you again SHOW THE ENGLISH FIGURES WITH THE CORRECT EXTRAREGIO
PER CAPITA PORTIONS ALLOCATED TO EACH HOME COUNTRY and then prove that
England is NOT BEING SUBSIDISE BY EVERYONE ELSE.
You are an idiot who makes claims he cannot back up.
--
Auld Bob
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A veritable highland fling ;)
Try arranging the following words, Auld Bob: Taxpayer, English, Of,
Bank, Out, Scotland, Bail .................
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Whoa, Auld Bob!
You appear to be saying that Scotland is subsidising England - yes?
A laughable assertion - but, if true, surely the canny thing would be for
you Scots to declare independence from the blood sucking Sassenachs?
That way, you wouldn't have to keep us all, would you?
Since we in England are equally convinced that Scotland is a money-devouring
millstone around our necks (just paying your NHS bills would bankrupt half
the world's nations!) we are equally anxious to see you pack up your caber's
and depart.
So, what's the problem?
Unless, of course, being the canny race that you are, you *know* that
Scotland, far from being a net contributor to the UK economy, is in reality
a nation of beggars - who would go without their porridge were in not for
English money.......
That being the case, we'll never get rid of you!
Scotland is like a tart who is kept in luxury by her lover - she might make
continual threats to leave, but she'd much rather remain as a kept whore
than go and find a job.....
Trouble is, from the English perspective, Scotland has long ago ceased to be
attractive - and we really *do* want to be rid of you.
So, awa' wi' Ye, Ye aul' slut! ! - find another mug to keep you!
Robert Peffers
These are the ones who deny the whole financial sector was kicked off by a
run on Northern Rock and among the banks that were bailed out were such as
Halifax, Berkley's and The Trustees. Then the idiots got it wrong again by
saying England's coffers bailed these institutions out. England doesn't have
any coffers from which to bail anyone out.
They fondly believe that The UK of GB & NI is the same thing as England but
fail to realise that there are four countries in that title and England is
only one of them. Not only that but on a UK of GB & NI scale England has
been in a horizontal fiscal imbalance situation for some years now. She has
a fiscal deficit and is thus being bailed out by the UK of GB & NI. Yet
these idiots are so bloody stupid they think that the England that is in
fiscal deficit is bailing out other countries. It is not possible to make
their tiny brains accept the difference between the UK of GB & NI and
England. I've met people you suffer from Alzheimer's disease who suffer far
less loss of cognitive abilities, memory loss, loss of judgment and
abstract thinking than these numpties.
So, sorry and all that, but all your post proves is that you may be
suffering the onset of AD. I'll repeat it again for you. England is bailing
no one out as she is in fiscal deficit within the UK of GB & NI. England has
no coffers from which to pay anything from but must draw upon the coffers of
the UK of GB & NI and England is in fiscal deficit from those coffers. The
stupid thinking that thinks, because England has a larger population, and is
thus subsidising everyone else is simple the result of utter stupidity as it
ignores the fact that the larger population, taken on a per capita basis, is
no different from any other area of the UK when looked at on a per capita
basis. These idiots are daft enough to miss the fact that, for each person,
(the per capita basis), there is an income and EXPENDITURE. The calculation
is thus to take the per capita income and compare it to the per capita
expenditure. If the expend is greater than the income then the country is in
fiscal deficit.
So these idiots compound their stupidity by first being unable to
distinguish between England and the UK of GB & NI and then assuming that
England's income is that of the UK but her expend is that of only England.
I expect they will now snip my exposure of their idiocy - they usually do so
and the same ones have been doing so for many years - like all idiots- they
never learn and go on exposing their stupidity for all to see.
Hae a guid Hogmanay nane the war.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
Can you not understand English?
>
> A laughable assertion - but, if true, surely the canny thing would be for
> you Scots to declare independence from the blood sucking Sassenachs?
Many Scots have been doing our best to do just that since 1707.
>
> That way, you wouldn't have to keep us all, would you?
It really was not the prime motive, and it never was.
The prime motive has always been that of having the right of any country to
run its own affairs.
Put it this way, no matter how well you get on with your next door
neighbour, would you allow them to come into your home and connect up to
your electric, gas, oil, water supplies? Would you be happy that the next
door neighbour held your purse strings and controlled both what you earned
and what you spend?
Would you be happy for the next door family to control how you ran your
household?
>
> Since we in England are equally convinced that Scotland is a
> money-devouring millstone around our necks (just paying your NHS bills
> would bankrupt half the world's nations!) we are equally anxious to see
> you pack up your caber's and depart.
No you are not. There has never been any real attempt on the part of the
English to gain a parliament of their own.
In spite of the smaller numbers in Wales, Ireland and Scotland we have
fought and demanded our own parliaments and that is why we have devolved
powers.
As to the financial situation you have no better grasp of how the UK is
funded that others who post such claims on these Usenet groups.
You are labouring under so many misconceptions and lack of understanding and
you cannot prove a single one of them to be true.
>
> So, what's the problem?
Which one would you like explained first?
I throw in one for free.
There are only 59 MPs from Scottish constituencies at Westminster and 52 of
these are from unionist parties.
There are 533 MPs from English constituencies.
40 from Wales.
18 from NI.
Yet we have English people who claim such stupid things as -
The Scots dominate Westminster, we are dominated almost 10 to 1 yet English
people think that Scots dominate Westminster.
The cabinet is composed of around 24 main members and only four are Scots,
yet the Englanders claim the Scots dominate the Cabinet.
All of the above shows that England can out vote the Scots, Welsh and Irish
at every level of government and although the other countries have all
gained some devolved powers the English do not even have their own
parliament, funding or anything else for that matter.
In short the English whinge, believe lots of wrong things but have no real
desire to change the system in any way. They are the only country with an
overall majority and we still have the status quo in force.
>
> Unless, of course, being the canny race that you are, you *know* that
> Scotland, far from being a net contributor to the UK economy, is in
> reality a nation of beggars - who would go without their porridge were in
> not for English money.
All the above does in show that you are just as ignorant of how the UK is
run, funded and how the countries stand in relation to their financial
position one to the other as the majority of your fellow English posters.
Like them you are high on claims but non-exixtent in proofs. Not only that
but when confronted with proofs you go into denial and fail to disprove the
true facts in favour of your own unsupported belief.
So let me ask you, as I have the other numpties, to furnish your proofs to
back up your unsuported claims.
You claim that England is subsidising the Scottish economy - but where are
your official facts and figures to prove your claims.
No proof then no valid claim.
Can you show England's contribution to the UK of GB & NI income for the
present year.
Can you even show the English unemployment figures for the past month and
compare it to the UK of GB & NI average figures.
Can you not show the total funding that England has had from the UK of GB &
NI over the past year.
Now to compound you rash claims can you quote the UK of GB & NI total income
for the past year.
Now extract the extraregio figure from that total.
>
> That being the case, we'll never get rid of you!
More idiotic rubbish from a numptie who repeats, like a parrot, what some
other numptie has taught it to say.
He never has anything to back up his claims and he only repeats them because
someone has told him it is a smart thing to do.
He has, though, no idea why it is supposed to clever as he neither has any
figures to back up his silly claims and couldn't understand them if he had.
>
> Scotland is like a tart who is kept in luxury by her lover - she might
> make continual threats to leave, but she'd much rather remain as a kept
> whore than go and find a job.....
More parrot squawks that beg the question the parrot cannot answer. Where
are the official figures that back up the claim the English, who are in
fiscal deficit, are subsidising anyone.
Just where does this idiot think the funds that show England is in fiscal
deficit to the UK are coming from?
>
> Trouble is, from the English perspective, Scotland has long ago ceased to
> be attractive - and we really *do* want to be rid of you.
Facts, numptie, facts. =You have none. What English perspective is that?
Your own or that of the entire English people?
>
> So, awa' wi' Ye, Ye aul' slut! ! - find another mug to keep you!
Would that the UK of GB & NI parliament would let us go - but they will not.
Yet this idiot goes on, through the years, in the firm belief that the
things someone else has told him are true, really are true.
Yet, in all those years, he has never been able to come up with even one
official set of figures that back up his daft claims.
He cannot even disprove any official figures that have been shown to him
that prove he has always been wrong.
How could he when he cannot understand either the figures or the method of
financing the UK.
BTW: the national unemployment agerage is 6.1%; Scotland's is 6.5% and
London's getting on for 9% but see below.
Here are a few figures for him to sort out.They are for this month and the
source is -
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1606
In the 12 months ending March 2009, the highest unemployment rate in Great
Britain is in Sandwell, West Midlands at 12.2 per cent, followed by the
London borough of Tower Hamlets at 11.9 per cent and Birmingham and Kingston
upon Hull, both at 11.4 per cent.
The three areas with the lowest unemployment rates in Great Britain were all
found in Scotland. The lowest was Aberdeenshire at 2.4 per cent, followed by
the Orkney Islands at 2.5 per cent and the Shetland Islands at 2.6 per cent.
Source: Model-based estimates, Office for National Statistics
I expect he will snip the figures out and just sit there, on his perch, and
between saying, "Who's a pretty boy then", and, "Polly want's a nut", he
will go on squawking, "England subsidises Scotland", until he finally drops
off the spar.
--
Auld Bob
Paul C
You appear to have missed out "Halifax" from this nonsense. I believe
it is located somewhere in Engerlandshire.
Andrew Thomas
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Ha - brilliant post :)
Please, someone cut the ties, either through ejecting Scotland from
the Union (who gives a shit about the parliamentary mechanics - that
can be taken care of easily) or England ejecting itself. The notion
that 5m Scotlanders pay for 50m Englanders is ridiculous. The oil and
gas isn't Scotland's. And the unemployment rate of 6.9% (not that
special) conveniently hides the fact that one in every four in
Scotland works for The State. And they don't produce a god damned
thing.
You don't like us, and we sure as hell don't like you. Just get the
divorce sorted, and sod off.
Paul C
<sta...@destruction.com> wrote:
>
>You appear to be saying that Scotland is subsidising England - yes?
>
>A laughable assertion - but, if true, surely the canny thing would be for
>you Scots to declare independence from the blood sucking Sassenachs?
>
>That way, you wouldn't have to keep us all, would you?
>
>Since we in England are equally convinced that Scotland is a money-devouring
>millstone around our necks (just paying your NHS bills would bankrupt half
>the world's nations!) we are equally anxious to see you pack up your caber's
>and depart.
>
>So, what's the problem?
>
>Unless, of course, being the canny race that you are, you *know* that
>Scotland, far from being a net contributor to the UK economy, is in reality
>a nation of beggars - who would go without their porridge were in not for
>English money.......
>
>That being the case, we'll never get rid of you!
>
>Scotland is like a tart who is kept in luxury by her lover - she might make
>continual threats to leave, but she'd much rather remain as a kept whore
>than go and find a job.....
>
>Trouble is, from the English perspective, Scotland has long ago ceased to be
>attractive - and we really *do* want to be rid of you.
>
>So, awa' wi' Ye, Ye aul' slut! ! - find another mug to keep you!
>
What absolute twaddle.
You claim the English want rid of Scotland yet 99.999of the electorate
vote for Unionist Parties.
I wouldn't go so far as to call the English canny - not if you a
representative sample, at least - but the fact is that far more Scots
vote for independence from the UK than do English. The English
clearly know which side of their bread is buttered..
As the secret report of the 70s stated "Without Scotland's oil England
would be in dire straits".
Paul C
Really? Are you suggesting that almost all NS oil is not in Scottish
waters? Do you have a source for this utter nonsense?
>And the unemployment rate of 6.9% (not that
>special) conveniently hides the fact that one in every four in
>Scotland works for The State. And they don't produce a god damned
>thing.
Utter twaddle. 35% of employment in Sweden is State employment.Sweden
has a far higher per capita GNP than the UK. The claim that those in
State employment produce nothing is nothing short of laughable.
Like most rabid little englanders you seem to be totally divorced from
reality.
The gods have made us mad
"Paul C" <pa...@omne.uk.net> wrote in message
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Well, granted, it *used* to be.
Now Halifax is a part of the Islamic Republic of Yorkshiristan.
Robert Peffers
"Andrew Thomas" <andrewj_no...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:e65776f7-5c63-47d8...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Idiot! Many Scots have been saying that for many years. I'm one and have
said so since 1945.
> The notion
that 5m Scotlanders pay for 50m Englanders is ridiculous.
Of course it is but that point just shows you are as thick as two short
planks and cannot count.
The point is that as there are only 5 million Scots drawing out from the
system there are only 5 million Scots paying into the system.
So how is that different from the nglish people who pay in and take out.
Have you heard the expression, "Per capita"?
The oil and
gas isn't Scotland's.
It isn't England's either as it is what is described as extraregio income.
Do you know what that means?
There are lots of extraregio incomes to the United Kingdom Coffers, (Note
that is UK not English).
> And the unemployment rate of 6.9% (not that special) conveniently hides
> the fact that one in every four in
Scotland works for The State.
Indeed the figure is 22% for Scotland but then it is also 21% for England so
that means there is roughly about the same percentage but due to England's
large population a great many more bodies work for the government in
England. However the unemployment figure that is hidden is that places like
London have a figure of 7.8% and are high density areas. The Scottish
figures are for all Scotland and below the UK average.
> And they don't produce a god damned
thing.
Indeed they don't but neither do the 21% of the English population.
You don't like us, and we sure as hell don't like you. Just get the
divorce sorted, and sod off.
What nonsense! Who said we don't like you?
You seem to have lost your senses. This thing has nothing to do with like or
dislike.
However, let me inject a little reality for you.
The number of MPs at Westminster are these -
English constituency - 533
Scottish Constituency - 59.
So guess what is stopping Scottish independence?
Now consider this - when Scotland does get independence that extraregio
portion of the North Sea, (98%), together with around a 10th of all the
other extraregio income to the UK coffers goes with Scotland and England is
already in fiscal deficit - Go figure.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Henderson
<sta...@destruction.com> writes
>
>Scotland is like a tart who is kept in luxury by her lover - she might
>make continual threats to leave, but she'd much rather remain as a kept
>whore than go and find a job.....
I couldn't have put it better myself. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Paul C
wrote:
>Paul C <pa...@omne.uk.net> wrote in
>news:10gkj5dsekoh5oaih...@4ax.com:
>Current unemployment rate in Scotland is 5.8%. Figure for UK is 6.1%
>State employment levels are 22% in Scotland. In England it's 21% - much
>the same.
Now don't confuse our ill-informee bigoted little englander friends
with facts.
Robert Henderson
<e65776f7-5c63-47d8...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Andrew Thomas <andrewj_no...@yahoo.com.au> writes
>
>Please, someone cut the ties, either through ejecting Scotland from the
>Union (who gives a shit about the parliamentary mechanics - that can be
>taken care of easily) or England ejecting itself. The notion that 5m
>Scotlanders pay for 50m Englanders is ridiculous. The oil and gas
>isn't Scotland's. And the unemployment rate of 6.9% (not that special)
>conveniently hides the fact that one in every four in Scotland works
>for The State. And they don't produce a god damned thing.
Far more than that because Scotch GDP is already over 60% public. Add in
all the local authority workers, NHS staff, teachers, PPP and PFI
employees etc and the number is probably three in four are state funded.
Add in RBS and HBOS and it may even be 4 out of five. RH
Paul C
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Far more than that because Scotch GDP is already over 60% public. Add in
>all the local authority workers, NHS staff, teachers, PPP and PFI
>employees etc and the number is probably three in four are state funded.
Such dire economic illiteracy! It's quite pitiful.
Robert Peffers
Robert Peffers
so very certain that the views they hold are right yet none of them have
ever been able to bring any set of official figures to prove that they have
valid reason to hold their unshakeable beliefs?
Let's ask them again for the proof of their strong belief.
If they have no official figures then on what grounds do they base their
views?
--
Auld Bob
Robert Henderson
<pa...@omne.uk.net> writes
>dire economic illiteracy! It's quite pitiful.
Yep, that's the common condition of the Scotchman and fantasy Celts. RH
GM
> In message <tvenj59q0k2scvaagcb2g5161kahhbi...@4ax.com>, Paul C
> <pa...@omne.uk.net> writes
>
> >dire economic illiteracy! It's quite pitiful.
>
> Yep, that's the common condition of the Scotchman and fantasy Celts. RH
>
Yes - I would agee the many Scots do pity your dire economic literacy.
Hope 2010 is better for you.
GMc
Robert Henderson
<acc8010e-4804-4f88...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, GM
<g-...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>dire economic literacy
Yep, that's the common condition of the Scotchman and fantasy Celts. RH
GM
> <g...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>
> >dire economic literacy
>
> Yep, that's the common condition of the Scotchman and fantasy Celts. RH
> --
Yes, I would agree - many Scots do pity your dire economic literacy.
Robert Henderson
<62670dac-3dad-40d4...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, GM
<g-...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>dire economic literacy
Yep, that's the common condition of the Scotchman and fantasy Celts. RH
--
GM
> <g...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>
> >dire economic literacy
>
> Yep, that's the common condition of the Scotchman and fantasy Celts. RH
> --
I accept your abandonment of your case.
GMc
Robert Henderson
<93eb8fc1-000f-4fa4...@f5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, GM
<g-...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>> <62670dac-3dad-40d4-90df-ab8ab7d45...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, GM
>> <g...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
>>
>> >dire economic literacy
>>
>> Yep, that's the common condition of the Scotchman and fantasy Celts. RH
>> --
>
>I accept your abandonment of your case.
>
>GMc
"Doctor...." RH