Bill Jones, CA Spamming Candidate for Governor
Bill Carton - (The Roadie)
again today, hitting many network admins and technical colleagues of
mine. Many of whom are not even in CA. Every one of whom object to his
stealing his advertising space from his unwilling victims.
His site proclaims: "Decisive Leadership. Uncommon Integrity."
Uncommon is true. No politician should confuse theft by spamming with
a shred of integrity.
December spam run publicity:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-022002jones.story?coll=la-headlines-politics
http://www.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox/2002-01/msg00189.html
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/671170.asp?cp1=1
Today's spam was sent using classic professional spam techniques,
including the unauthorized use of a mail server in a Korean school
(insecure mail relay), forged email header lines designed to fool some
recipients into complaining about the spam to innocent parties such as
Yahoo, MSN, Road Runner, AOL, GMX, Cyberec.com, and others. None of
these providers was involved in the spam except for the lies created
by the Bill Jones campaign spammer.
Since even newbie moron spammers know enough to never advertise their
mother ship (main) web site (Bill's is hosted by Spacely.net, a
provider located in Maryland), the Bill Jones folks proceeded to
violate the contractual terms of service of Terra.es, a free web page
host like Geocities. They placed a web site at address
http://195.235.97.200/personal8/inacct48, hoping that the Spanish
owner would respond more slowly to complaints sent in English. A web
site advertised by spam like this, hosted at a competent US host,
would be removed within hours.
This could have been blamed on a "dirty tricks" campaign by the
candidate's opponents, except a spokesperson contacted by phone, one
Darren Ng, readily admitted it was done with the authorization of
their office.
I know it's not news that politicians steal from the public, but they
usually wait until after they win to do it. Bill Jones must believe in
offending early and often with these multiple spam runs.
But try to email a complaint to an address you might find on their web
site, or in their domain registration records (whois of billjones.org?
You can't. They don't post any. They might get spammed.
Spam proof here:
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<B>This is a new and unique experiment. For the first time in history
I a=
m trying to make the Internet the vehicle to provide information to
the p=
eople of California - NOT 30 second TV ads.=20
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I believe that Democracy is enhanced when the voter has factual
informati=
on instead of propaganda and that the Internet has the power to
transform=
politics and political campaigning.=20
<BR><BR>
So while other candidates for Governor are spending over $10,000,000
doll=
ars on 30 second TV ads, I am trying something new. What's new is this
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I am only going to provide you with the facts on my record. Please go
to=
my <a href=3D"http://195.235.97.200/personal8/inacct48/">web site</a>
an=
d check it out for yourself.=20
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<B>Check the Facts: THE BILL JONES RECORD OF LEADERSHIP AND
EXPERIENCE <=
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1) Served for 12 years in the State Assembly and have twice been
elected=
Secretary of State, receiving almost 12 million votes.<BR><BR>
2) Authored and passed California's "3 Strikes" law, which has
reduced c=
rime by over twice the national average.<BR><BR>
3) Strongly supported Prop 73, the first successful campaign finance
ref=
orm law to limit campaign contributions to candidates. <BR><BR>
4) Successfully co-authored Prop 204, the Safe, Clean, Reliable Water
Su=
pply Act.<BR><BR>
5) Reformed California=92s election process, registering or
re-registeri=
ng over 9 million voters while removing over 3 million ineligible
voters =
to prevent voter fraud.<BR> <BR>
6) Aggressively fought and won a lawsuit to retain legislative term
limi=
ts. <BR> <BR>
7) Set up an Internet campaign contribution disclosure system which
forc=
es candidates to report contributions over $1,000 within 24 hours on a
we=
bsite that is accessible to every citizen. www.cal-access.ss.ca.gov
<BR> =
<BR>
8) I am a third generation farmer and rancher from the Central
Valley. I=
have been married for 30 years. My wife Maurine and I have 2
daughters, =
and one granddaughter. </blockquote>
I am grateful to have the endorsement of former Republican Governor
Geor=
ge Deukmejian. He knows what it takes to be Governor and he made the
foll=
owing statement in support of my candidacy:=20
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"I support Bill Jones for Governor because he has proven
that h=
e is not afraid to make tough decisions even if they're politically
unpop=
ular. His experience in state government makes him uniquely qualified
to =
lead our state and I know that he is a steady hand in a crisis.=20
<BR><BR>
In my heart and mind, I believe Secretary of State Bill Jones is our
best=
hope for victory. He can defeat Gray Davis without sacrificing our
princ=
iples or abandoning our Republican values. Most importantly, Bill
Jones i=
s a leader you can trust."=20
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ON MARCH 5th, I WOULD BE HONORED TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE
REPUBLICAN =
NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR. REGARDLESS OF YOUR CHOICE, I ASK YOU TO
PLEASE G=
O OUT AND VOTE! THANK YOU!<BR><BR>
<img
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Bill Jones<BR>
California Secretary of State
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Bill "the Roadie" Carton
hobber
What I don't understand and I'll read both his website and your thread
again..
Is this illegal? What he has done?
According to your mentioning the term "spam", it may be foolish on his part
due to any spam filter that may lose his message.
I personally think it is a good idea. As with the mailbox (Snail mail) you
can delete it if you want. It is much better than being held captive, when I
watch my 6 o'clock news and get blasted. My 8 year old daughter once asked
during one of the more colorful mud slinging commercials why grown ups do
that?
If all candidates have a web site, along with party websites, why not mail?
If it is illegal, then he should be charged.
I follow many website's at election time, either pro or counter to get the
facts.
If a candidate, cannot lead me to productive sites that prove his voting
records or proof of his site...I take it as wind as I do the commercials.
The same with negative sites, if they cannot thread me also.
So I ask...Was this illegal?
"Bill Carton - (The Roadie)" <wca...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:biar7u8b4brf97068...@4ax.com...
Bill Carton - (The Roadie)
>Yes...I got two letters today and I live in upstate NY.
Boy, you're certainly in his targeted market. Not!
>What I don't understand and I'll read both his website and your thread
>again..
>Is this illegal? What he has done?
Unsolicited bulk email is universally reviled and detested by network
owners, and most email address owners. It's illegal because of the 17
US states that have no-spam laws.
A summary of the state laws:
http://www.spamlaws.com/state/summary.html
Why spam is a problem:
http://www.cauce.org/about/problem.shtml
It's definitely immoral because the spammer went to great lengths to
conceal the ISP used to dialup to get to the net, and they used a
Korean elementary school as a mail relay. This school wasn't running
the latest security patch and allowed the spam to flow through without
stamping where it came from. Like mail without a postmark, the
original sender can't be traced, and all we have left is the entiry
that paid for the spam run - the Bill JOnes campaign.
>According to your mentioning the term "spam", it may be foolish on his part
>due to any spam filter that may lose his message.
Leafletting is also foolish for the same reason, but it's legal.
>I personally think it is a good idea. As with the mailbox (Snail mail) you
>can delete it if you want.
This is shallow thinking. You can hit delete on 10 or a hundred or
even a thousand spams a day. What happens when every candidate for
office worldwide manages to stuff an unwanted ad in your inbox? Member
of the Charlotte, NC school board. Dog catcher in Elmira, NY. City
council candidate in Ulan Bator, Mongolia. Attorney General of
Equador. Spam is precisely a danger because it fails to scale. There's
no natural impediment to every person in the world sending a message
to each and every other one with internet access. Email would die
under the crushing overload. Your ISP would start bouncing mail due to
no room in your inbox for the half-hour you might like to take off to
take a shower. Don't even think about going to sleep. You'll need to
stay awake to "just hit delete" constantly.
If spam isn't halted, with a zero threshold, this is the future you're
asking us to accept. Not for me. No spam. My inbox; my rules.
>It is much better than being held captive, when I
>watch my 6 o'clock news and get blasted. My 8 year old daughter once asked
>during one of the more colorful mud slinging commercials why grown ups do
>that?
They pay for the ads, they can do whatever they want.
>If all candidates have a web site, along with party websites, why not mail?
It violates the terms of service of all internet providers. That's why
they have to put up a free throwaway web site in Spain, hide where the
sender really dialed up to, and break into the Korean mail server.
>If it is illegal, then he should be charged.
Due to this being an economic crime of small consequence, our
prosecutors have shown their reluctance to go after each and every
one. Like grafitti artists, spammers reduce our quality of life but
aren't all identified, let along charged or convicted.
>I follow many website's at election time, either pro or counter to get the
>facts.
>If a candidate, cannot lead me to productive sites that prove his voting
>records or proof of his site...I take it as wind as I do the commercials.
>The same with negative sites, if they cannot thread me also.
If you wanted the information, you could easily find it with search
engines. Pushing it into your face, uninvited, is the offense. It's
like telemarketing to a cell phone, or postage-due junk mail. It's
cost-shifted advertising.
>So I ask...Was this illegal?
You have the links. It was illegal, but very likely to go unpunished
by real-world authorities. It's incredibly stupid to spam a New York
resident. Think about what happens if this goes on, and every
candidate in the world feels empowered to copy the tactic. Then ask if
even the first candidate to think of it (Bill Jones is not the first)
should be allowed to steal their advertising bandwidth on the net.
hobber
That is basically ..what I was asking...
The only part I disagree with:
>It is much better than being held captive, when I
>watch my 6 o'clock news and get blasted. My 8 year old daughter once asked
>during one of the more colorful mud slinging commercials why grown ups do
>that?
They pay for the ads, they can do whatever they want.
I propose your right, "they"? is actually me if I decide to donate.
Therefore I stopped. I dislike negative commercials. To me it only proves,
when you attack the other candidate....You have little to show for
accomplishments.
And am I alone? Two of the local stations ran polls after the news, asking
if negative campaigning worked. In most results more than 82% disliked the
negative commercials and couldn't wait till the election cycle's were over.
Out of the 18%, ten percent didn't watch the news that night.
One station made it a point to follow through with the negative slams to
check the contents and offer a counter. This resulted in a reduction of 63%
of that local election negative campaigning.
What prompted the stations to do this was our famous D'mato vs. Abrams
election cycle. When many of the viewers called in complaining. One station
monitored, negative vs. positive commercials, and found that out of 28
commercials, only two were straight positive commercials for the candidates.
You may not like the spam, nor do I, now that you calculated how much I
could get. But personally I do not like negative campaigning to the extent
that it has risen too.
"Bill Carton - (The Roadie)" <wca...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Mike Haas
> After being caught spamming in December, candidate Bill Jones spams
> again today, hitting many network admins and technical colleagues of
> mine
<snip rest of ridiculous "spamming" charges>
Ah, a pro-Simon troll illustrates how worried they are about Bill Jones!
Spamming? Oooooh - how evil!
Obviously, they have nothing to attack Bill Jones with - he has proven his
support for the toughest conservative issues via his votes during his
12-year Assembly record.
Simon seems to be a good candidate too, but his troops are clearly envious
of that voting record. THEY SHOULD BE - it is the *proof* we have that
Jones is committed to conservative principles. Jones voted to protect your
Second Amendment rights repeatedly in the Assembly.
Simon has never held elected office, so we have NO IDEA how he will react
when the pressure is on, the big money is flying around and the Riordan's
anti-gun forces in the GOP threaten Simon with no re-election funds. Don't
forget, Riordan asked Simon if Simon would consider being a "running mate".
Riordan wouldn't DARE ask Jones.
Vote for Bill Jones, http://www.billjones.org/
Decisive Leadership, Uncommon integrity - It will take both to protect and
restore our rights in the Golden State.
Mike Haas
http://NRAWinningTeam.com/
http://AmmoGuide.com/
http://PatriotBoxers.com/
contributor, http://NRAMembersCouncils.com/