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Ubiquitous
Nov 20, 2012, 5:39:56 AM11/20/12
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You've probably heard that Hostess, maker of the iconic Twinkie and other
unhealthy snacks, is going out of business rather than settle a strike.
Not surprisingly, the union is blaming management, as Los Angeles's
KNBC-TV reports:
NBC's Savannah Guthrie read a statement on "Today" from
the bakers' union that said: "Despite [CEO] Greg Rayburn's
insulting and disingenuous statements of the last several
months, the truth is that Hostess workers and the union
have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this
company. That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders
of the company's decision makers."
In an email, reader Steven Stabnick cuts to the heart of the matter: "I
get it now. The 'You didn't build that--you had help' mentality applies
only to success. If a business fails, blame lies with the leaders. If a
business is successful, the greedy 'decision makers' are making too much
money."
--
"Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg
a second time."
unhealthy snacks, is going out of business rather than settle a strike.
Not surprisingly, the union is blaming management, as Los Angeles's
KNBC-TV reports:
NBC's Savannah Guthrie read a statement on "Today" from
the bakers' union that said: "Despite [CEO] Greg Rayburn's
insulting and disingenuous statements of the last several
months, the truth is that Hostess workers and the union
have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this
company. That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders
of the company's decision makers."
In an email, reader Steven Stabnick cuts to the heart of the matter: "I
get it now. The 'You didn't build that--you had help' mentality applies
only to success. If a business fails, blame lies with the leaders. If a
business is successful, the greedy 'decision makers' are making too much
money."
--
"Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg
a second time."
Nickname unavailable
Nov 20, 2012, 11:38:56 AM11/20/12
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bankruptcy. this of course enraged the workers. hostess did not shrug,
hostess tried to rip off america under the protection of
bankruptcy:))))
you are really a idiot. americans are sick of your type.
suzeeq
Nov 20, 2012, 11:54:54 AM11/20/12
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got 600% raises over the same time period.
Charles H. Sampson
Nov 20, 2012, 12:50:36 PM11/20/12
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Cute allusion in your subject.
Charlie
--
Nobody in this country got rich on his own. You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for. You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward. Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)
Charlie
--
Nobody in this country got rich on his own. You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for. You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward. Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)
Movie Fan
Nov 20, 2012, 3:01:32 PM11/20/12
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On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, csamp...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson)
wrote:
I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
walking away. It's all about excellence and achievement, and
bankruptcy doesn't figure into that outlook.
wrote:
walking away. It's all about excellence and achievement, and
bankruptcy doesn't figure into that outlook.
Obveeus
Nov 20, 2012, 3:04:26 PM11/20/12
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"Movie Fan" <joe....@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, csamp...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson)
>wrote:
>> Cute allusion in your subject.
>>
>> Charlie
>> --
>> Nobody in this country got rich on his own. You built a factory--good.
>> But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for. You hired workers we
>> all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
>> But take a hunk and pay it forward. Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)
>
>I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
>walking away.
So, the plot of Atlas Shrugged doesn't revolve around the people in charge
>wrote:
>> Cute allusion in your subject.
>>
>> Charlie
>> --
>> Nobody in this country got rich on his own. You built a factory--good.
>> But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for. You hired workers we
>> all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
>> But take a hunk and pay it forward. Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)
>
>I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
>walking away.
'going on strike'?
Tom
Nov 20, 2012, 9:34:02 PM11/20/12
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Hostess for 21 years and left before the vulture capitalists took
over. He thought his pension was safe, but has since learned he will
receive some amount between a fraction of his pension and nothing.
Tom
Gary Forbis
Nov 21, 2012, 12:47:43 AM11/21/12
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:01:34 PM UTC-8, Movie Fan wrote:
> I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
> walking away. It's all about excellence and achievement, and
> bankruptcy doesn't figure into that outlook.
I was listening to Tom Heartmann yesterday(?) as he talked about
> I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
> walking away. It's all about excellence and achievement, and
> bankruptcy doesn't figure into that outlook.
Altas Shrugged. He talked about how Ayn Rand painted a picture
where the "productive" (read rich) poeple move out west and leave
the "lazy" read labor behind. The "lazy" don't know what to do
where the "productive" live in luxory. He then wondered why the
people actaully running the factories and getting paid to do so
suddenly didn't know how to run the factories. He aslo wondered
who was doing the actual work in Galt's Gulch. Who's sweeping
the floors, tending the machines, building the houses, growing
the food, etc.
This being said, the people claiming Ayn Rand's philosophy
are the enfranchised wealthy. They aren't scientists, they
hire scientists. They aren't labor, they hire labor. They
aren't the accountants, they hire accountants. They benefit
from high unemployment and they run the government. It shows
the complete failure of capitalism instead of its success.
It is only during the transition from one age to the next that
the people who design and and invent can make huge profits.
Once the shift is sufficiently along the moneyed interests
rule the roost and take the profits. Even during the transition
some who aren't ruthless lose big, for instance Tesla.
Ubiquitous
Nov 21, 2012, 10:15:38 AM11/21/12
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In article <k8gnob$jo7$1...@dont-email.me>, Obv...@aol.com wrote:
cannot debate the issue.
--
"Admittedly, conservatives give as good as they get. The difference
between us and [leftists] is that we can argue as well as inveigh.
They can only hurl invectives." -- Don Feder
>"Movie Fan" <joe....@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, csamp...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson)
>>wrote:
>>> Cute allusion in your subject.
>>
>>On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, csamp...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson)
>>wrote:
>>> Cute allusion in your subject.
>>
>>I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
>>walking away.
>
>So, the plot of Atlas Shrugged doesn't revolve around the people in
>charge 'going on strike'?
It helps if you keep in mind that the left employ strawmen when they
>>walking away.
>
>So, the plot of Atlas Shrugged doesn't revolve around the people in
>charge 'going on strike'?
cannot debate the issue.
--
"Admittedly, conservatives give as good as they get. The difference
between us and [leftists] is that we can argue as well as inveigh.
They can only hurl invectives." -- Don Feder
Nickname unavailable
Nov 21, 2012, 11:14:59 AM11/21/12
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On Nov 21, 9:17 am, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> In article <k8gnob$jo...@dont-email.me>, Obve...@aol.com wrote:
confusion and dishonesty does not stand up to the light. they live in
a counter-factual universe, the product of the hermetically sealed
"CONSERVATIVE" subculture. Trying to see the world through the lens
of
"THE CONSERVATIVE", is like looking at a fun-house mirror;
everything’s backwards and distorted.
"THE CONSERVATIVES" world view is flawed because its based upon a
small and particularly rosy sliver of reality. To preserve that world
view, "THE CONSERVATIVES" believe that people had morally earned their
“just” desserts, and had to ignore those whining liberals who tried to
point out that the world didn’t actually work that way. I think this
shows why "THE CONSERVATIVES" put so much effort into “creat[ing]
their own reality,” into fostering distrust of liberals, experts,
scientists, and academics, and why they won’t let a campaign “be
dictated by fact-checkers” (as a Romney pollster put it). It explains
why study after study shows that avid consumers of "THE CONSERVATIVE"-
oriented media are more poorly informed than people who use other news
sources or don’t bother to follow the news at all.
"Large swaths of the conservative
movement seem to live in a world of their own creation. The
balkanization of media outlets allow people to read only that which
they agree with. This selective perception and confirmation bias
creates a self-reinforcing alternative universe. Facts don’t matter;
data and science are irrelevant. You only hear exactly what it is you
want to hear.
Outlets like Fox News and pundits like George Will and Dick Morris
were forecasting a Mitt Romney landslide. Don’t like the polling
data? Create a site called “UnskewedPolls.com” to provide numbers you
do like. As it turned out, UnskewedPolls was the least accurate
polling aggregator this election cycle. If you spend most of your
time rationalizing why the polls are inaccurate and the media are
biased, you will probably be surprised at what happens next. As
smart investors know, this sort of bias can be very expensive."
Barry Ritholtz
the constitution of the united states was a anti-conservative
statement by the majority of the founders of the united states of
america.
> In article <k8gnob$jo...@dont-email.me>, Obve...@aol.com wrote:
> >"Movie Fan" <joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, csamp...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson)
> >>wrote:
> >>> Cute allusion in your subject.
>
> >>I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
> >>walking away.
>
> >So, the plot of Atlas Shrugged doesn't revolve around the people in
> >charge 'going on strike'?
>
> It helps if you keep in mind that the left employ strawmen when they
> cannot debate the issue.
>
> --
> "Admittedly, conservatives give as good as they get. The difference
> between us and [leftists] is that we can argue as well as inveigh.
> They can only hurl invectives." -- Don Feder
but upon careful examination "THE CONSERVATIVES" feeble attempts at
> >>On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, csamp...@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson)
> >>wrote:
> >>> Cute allusion in your subject.
>
> >>I wasn't aware that Ayn Rand's philosophy allowed giving up and
> >>walking away.
>
> >So, the plot of Atlas Shrugged doesn't revolve around the people in
> >charge 'going on strike'?
>
> It helps if you keep in mind that the left employ strawmen when they
> cannot debate the issue.
>
> --
> "Admittedly, conservatives give as good as they get. The difference
> between us and [leftists] is that we can argue as well as inveigh.
> They can only hurl invectives." -- Don Feder
confusion and dishonesty does not stand up to the light. they live in
a counter-factual universe, the product of the hermetically sealed
"CONSERVATIVE" subculture. Trying to see the world through the lens
of
"THE CONSERVATIVE", is like looking at a fun-house mirror;
everything’s backwards and distorted.
"THE CONSERVATIVES" world view is flawed because its based upon a
small and particularly rosy sliver of reality. To preserve that world
view, "THE CONSERVATIVES" believe that people had morally earned their
“just” desserts, and had to ignore those whining liberals who tried to
point out that the world didn’t actually work that way. I think this
shows why "THE CONSERVATIVES" put so much effort into “creat[ing]
their own reality,” into fostering distrust of liberals, experts,
scientists, and academics, and why they won’t let a campaign “be
dictated by fact-checkers” (as a Romney pollster put it). It explains
why study after study shows that avid consumers of "THE CONSERVATIVE"-
oriented media are more poorly informed than people who use other news
sources or don’t bother to follow the news at all.
"Large swaths of the conservative
movement seem to live in a world of their own creation. The
balkanization of media outlets allow people to read only that which
they agree with. This selective perception and confirmation bias
creates a self-reinforcing alternative universe. Facts don’t matter;
data and science are irrelevant. You only hear exactly what it is you
want to hear.
Outlets like Fox News and pundits like George Will and Dick Morris
were forecasting a Mitt Romney landslide. Don’t like the polling
data? Create a site called “UnskewedPolls.com” to provide numbers you
do like. As it turned out, UnskewedPolls was the least accurate
polling aggregator this election cycle. If you spend most of your
time rationalizing why the polls are inaccurate and the media are
biased, you will probably be surprised at what happens next. As
smart investors know, this sort of bias can be very expensive."
Barry Ritholtz
the constitution of the united states was a anti-conservative
statement by the majority of the founders of the united states of
america.
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