Pugs Prove Anew They are Possessed by the Devil
Lisa Lisa
I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
flying out of her mouth:
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December 24, 2009
News Analysis
In Senate Health Care Vote, New Partisan Vitriol
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
WASHINGTON — The vote on Monday, in the dead of night, was 60 to 40.
The vote on Tuesday, just after daybreak, was 60 to 39. And the vote
on Wednesday afternoon, at a civil hour but after less-than-civil
debate, was 60 to 39 again — an immutable tally that showed Democrats
unwavering in the march to adopt a far-reaching overhaul of the health
care system over united Republican opposition.
The votes also marked something else: the culmination of more than a
generation of partisan polarization of the American political system,
and a precipitous decline in collegiality and collaboration in
governing that seemed to move in inverse proportion to a rising
influence of lobbying, money, the 24-hour news cycle and hostilities
on talk shows and in the blogosphere.
The health care legislation was approved Thursday morning, with the
Senate divided on party lines — something that has not happened in
modern times on so important a shift in domestic policy, or on major
legislation of any kind, lawmakers and Congressional historians said.
The Democrats flaunted their unity on Wednesday at a news conference
with nearly their entire caucus in attendance.
Many senators said the current vitriol, which continued on the floor
on Wednesday with a fight over when to cast the final health care
vote, was unlike anything they had seen. “It has gotten so much more
partisan,” said Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West
Virginia. “This was so wicked. This was so venal.”
Even in a bitter fight over President Bill Clinton’s budget in 1993,
decided 51 to 50 with a rare tie-breaker vote by Vice President Al
Gore, the partisanship was not as stark as it is today. Although no
Republicans voted for Mr. Clinton’s budget, six Democrats joined them
in what amounted to bipartisan opposition.
Mr. Rockefeller said the health bill had created an almost perfect
storm of political and policy disagreements, so that some of the
bitterness reflected basic philosophical disputes crystallized by
President Obama’s agenda. “If there was ever a time for that kind of
partisanship to come out, this was the bill to do it,” he said.
Ross K. Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University and an
expert on the history of the Senate, said that in earlier eras,
senators would routinely cross party lines to vote in favor of major
legislation on issues like civil rights and social welfare policy.
In 1965, the Senate created the Medicare program by a vote of 68 to
21, with 13 Republicans joining 55 Democrats in favor, and 7 Democrats
joining 14 Republicans in opposition. In 2003, some Democrats in both
the House and the Senate voted with most Republicans to add a
prescription drug benefit to Medicare.
“It certainly is a culmination of a long period of intensifying
political polarization,” Mr. Baker said of this year’s showdown over
health care. “It has gotten so bad now that Republicans don’t want to
be seen publicly in the presence of Democrats or have a Democrat
profess friendship for them or vice versa.”
With Democrats nominally controlling 60 seats, the precise number
needed to overcome Republican filibusters, there is no room for
wavering Democrats to break ranks. If they held one less seat, there
would be no choice but to win over a Republican; one or two more, and
one or two senators with apprehensions could be released to vote no.
Some lawmakers predicted that the Senate would eventually rediscover
its genteel equilibrium.
“There’s a tolerance level here for what we have just been through,
and I think we have hit the tipping point,” said Senator Christopher
J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut. “It got rougher than it should. We
are getting precariously close to fracturing an institution where no
one wins, so I think we are going to be back on track.”
But some experts said that the divide in the Senate reflected a
broader political shift that lawmakers cannot easily reverse. “In the
1970s, for instance, there was a much wider political spectrum in both
parties,” said Donald A. Ritchie, the Senate historian. “You had
conservative and liberal wings in both parties.”
Mr. Ritchie and many senators said they had witnessed the change in
the last 30 years.
“You have got this divide, this polarization in America,” said Senator
Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the only Republican in recent weeks to
seriously consider supporting the health bill. “People become risk-
averse, politically risk-averse. There is no incentive to reach across
the divide and appeal to a broader inclination. It looks like
pragmatism is a political cop-out; compromise is certainly viewed that
way.”
But even as senators complained about the rancor and expressed
nostalgia for a kinder era, they conceded that the hyper-partisanship
was likely to continue, potentially coloring coming debates on other
major issues including financial regulation, climate change and,
perhaps, immigration.
Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, and chairman of the Finance
Committee, said the political — and often personal — divisions that
now characterize the Senate were epitomized by the empty tables in the
senators’ private dining room, a place where members of both parties
used to break bread.
“Nobody goes there anymore,” Mr. Baucus said. “When I was here 10, 15,
30 years ago, that was the place you would go to talk to senators, let
your hair down, just kind of compare notes, no spouses allowed, no
staff, nobody. It is now empty.”
For more than 30 years, the major parties — Democrats and Republicans
— worked every angle to transform politics into a zero-sum numbers
game. State legislatures redrew Congressional districts to take
advantage of party affiliation in the local population. The two-year
campaign cycle became a never-ending one.
Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, who worked on many
bipartisan health care bills over the years, often with a close
friend, the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts,
said that the both parties were to blame but that external factors
including ethics rules also discouraged senators from fraternizing.
“Both parties have become very polarized,” Mr. Hatch said. “A lot of
that is because of the stupid ethics rules. We can’t get together at
various events. A lot of people complain about taking foreign trips,
which are really critical for us to understand foreign policy. The
Internet is constantly badgering everybody. In the process, it’s
gotten pretty doggone partisan, both ways. It’s bad.”
Mr. Hatch and Republican leaders said the lack of any support on their
side showed that the health bill was mortally flawed.
The majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, at a news conference on
Wednesday with most of his caucus standing behind him, offered a
different take.
“I don’t see this as 60 Democrats versus 40 Republicans,” he said. “I
see it as 60 leaders who stood up to insurance companies and stood up
for working families all across America.”
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pyjamarama
> I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
> meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
> flying out of her mouth:
So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is
now satanic?
Is there ANY aspect of life you'd like to leave to the discretion of
individual?
Besides being able to have unlimited abortions and smoke dope, that
is?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
Sid9
"pyjamarama" <pyjama...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3452a1e9-5fc9-4138...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 24, 5:41 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
>> meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
>> flying out of her mouth:
>
> So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
> populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is
> now satanic?
>
> Is there ANY aspect of life you'd like to leave to the discretion of
> individual?
>
> Besides being able to have unlimited abortions and smoke dope, that
> is?
>
>
>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----
>>
>> December 24, 2009
>> News Analysis
>> In Senate Health Care Vote, New Partisan Vitriol
>> By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
>> WASHINGTON � The vote on Monday, in the dead of night, was 60 to 40.
>> The vote on Tuesday, just after daybreak, was 60 to 39. And the vote
>> on Wednesday afternoon, at a civil hour but after less-than-civil
>> debate, was 60 to 39 again � an immutable tally that showed Democrats
>> unwavering in the march to adopt a far-reaching overhaul of the health
>> care system over united Republican opposition.
>>
>> The votes also marked something else: the culmination of more than a
>> generation of partisan polarization of the American political system,
>> and a precipitous decline in collegiality and collaboration in
>> governing that seemed to move in inverse proportion to a rising
>> influence of lobbying, money, the 24-hour news cycle and hostilities
>> on talk shows and in the blogosphere.
>>
>> The health care legislation was approved Thursday morning, with the
>> Senate divided on party lines � something that has not happened in
>> modern times on so important a shift in domestic policy, or on major
>> legislation of any kind, lawmakers and Congressional historians said.
>>
>> The Democrats flaunted their unity on Wednesday at a news conference
>> with nearly their entire caucus in attendance.
>>
>> Many senators said the current vitriol, which continued on the floor
>> on Wednesday with a fight over when to cast the final health care
>> vote, was unlike anything they had seen. �It has gotten so much more
>> partisan,� said Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West
>> Virginia. �This was so wicked. This was so venal.�
>>
>> Even in a bitter fight over President Bill Clinton�s budget in 1993,
>> decided 51 to 50 with a rare tie-breaker vote by Vice President Al
>> Gore, the partisanship was not as stark as it is today. Although no
>> Republicans voted for Mr. Clinton�s budget, six Democrats joined them
>> in what amounted to bipartisan opposition.
>>
>> Mr. Rockefeller said the health bill had created an almost perfect
>> storm of political and policy disagreements, so that some of the
>> bitterness reflected basic philosophical disputes crystallized by
>> President Obama�s agenda. �If there was ever a time for that kind of
>> partisanship to come out, this was the bill to do it,� he said.
>>
>> Ross K. Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University and an
>> expert on the history of the Senate, said that in earlier eras,
>> senators would routinely cross party lines to vote in favor of major
>> legislation on issues like civil rights and social welfare policy.
>>
>> In 1965, the Senate created the Medicare program by a vote of 68 to
>> 21, with 13 Republicans joining 55 Democrats in favor, and 7 Democrats
>> joining 14 Republicans in opposition. In 2003, some Democrats in both
>> the House and the Senate voted with most Republicans to add a
>> prescription drug benefit to Medicare.
>>
>> �It certainly is a culmination of a long period of intensifying
>> political polarization,� Mr. Baker said of this year�s showdown over
>> health care. �It has gotten so bad now that Republicans don�t want to
>> be seen publicly in the presence of Democrats or have a Democrat
>> profess friendship for them or vice versa.�
>>
>> With Democrats nominally controlling 60 seats, the precise number
>> needed to overcome Republican filibusters, there is no room for
>> wavering Democrats to break ranks. If they held one less seat, there
>> would be no choice but to win over a Republican; one or two more, and
>> one or two senators with apprehensions could be released to vote no.
>>
>> Some lawmakers predicted that the Senate would eventually rediscover
>> its genteel equilibrium.
>>
>> �There�s a tolerance level here for what we have just been through,
>> and I think we have hit the tipping point,� said Senator Christopher
>> J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut. �It got rougher than it should. We
>> are getting precariously close to fracturing an institution where no
>> one wins, so I think we are going to be back on track.�
>>
>> But some experts said that the divide in the Senate reflected a
>> broader political shift that lawmakers cannot easily reverse. �In the
>> 1970s, for instance, there was a much wider political spectrum in both
>> parties,� said Donald A. Ritchie, the Senate historian. �You had
>> conservative and liberal wings in both parties.�
>>
>> Mr. Ritchie and many senators said they had witnessed the change in
>> the last 30 years.
>>
>> �You have got this divide, this polarization in America,� said Senator
>> Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the only Republican in recent weeks to
>> seriously consider supporting the health bill. �People become risk-
>> averse, politically risk-averse. There is no incentive to reach across
>> the divide and appeal to a broader inclination. It looks like
>> pragmatism is a political cop-out; compromise is certainly viewed that
>> way.�
>>
>> But even as senators complained about the rancor and expressed
>> nostalgia for a kinder era, they conceded that the hyper-partisanship
>> was likely to continue, potentially coloring coming debates on other
>> major issues including financial regulation, climate change and,
>> perhaps, immigration.
>>
>> Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, and chairman of the Finance
>> Committee, said the political � and often personal � divisions that
>> now characterize the Senate were epitomized by the empty tables in the
>> senators� private dining room, a place where members of both parties
>> used to break bread.
>>
>> �Nobody goes there anymore,� Mr. Baucus said. �When I was here 10, 15,
>> 30 years ago, that was the place you would go to talk to senators, let
>> your hair down, just kind of compare notes, no spouses allowed, no
>> staff, nobody. It is now empty.�
>>
>> For more than 30 years, the major parties � Democrats and Republicans
>> � worked every angle to transform politics into a zero-sum numbers
>> game. State legislatures redrew Congressional districts to take
>> advantage of party affiliation in the local population. The two-year
>> campaign cycle became a never-ending one.
>>
>> Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, who worked on many
>> bipartisan health care bills over the years, often with a close
>> friend, the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts,
>> said that the both parties were to blame but that external factors
>> including ethics rules also discouraged senators from fraternizing.
>>
>> �Both parties have become very polarized,� Mr. Hatch said. �A lot of
>> that is because of the stupid ethics rules. We can�t get together at
>> various events. A lot of people complain about taking foreign trips,
>> which are really critical for us to understand foreign policy. The
>> Internet is constantly badgering everybody. In the process, it�s
>> gotten pretty doggone partisan, both ways. It�s bad.�
>>
>> Mr. Hatch and Republican leaders said the lack of any support on their
>> side showed that the health bill was mortally flawed.
>>
>> The majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, at a news conference on
>> Wednesday with most of his caucus standing behind him, offered a
>> different take.
>>
>> �I don�t see this as 60 Democrats versus 40 Republicans,� he said. �I
>> see it as 60 leaders who stood up to insurance companies and stood up
>> for working families all across America.�
Nickname unavailable
> Seek help if you do not recognize her as a coo-coo!
>
>
> news:3452a1e9-5fc9-4138...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 24, 5:41 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
> >> meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
> >> flying out of her mouth:
>
> > So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
> > populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is
> > now satanic?
>
> > Is there ANY aspect of life you'd like to leave to the discretion of
> > individual?
>
> > Besides being able to have unlimited abortions and smoke dope, that
> > is?
Sid9, we must not let the crank get away with changing the header.
when a conservative or libertarian crank see's a header that upsets
their indoctrinated beliefs, they always change the header.
Sid9
"Nickname unavailable" <Vid...@tcq.net> wrote in message
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.
I just switched to a new machine and the hundred of so nyms that I have
blocked have reappeared.
I no longer waste my time on total loser like this pj person.
He was on the old list.
He's now on the new list
13 on the new list about 87 more to go!
GOP Altered History
"pyjamarama" <pyjama...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3452a1e9-5fc9-4138...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 24, 5:41 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
> meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
> flying out of her mouth:
So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is
now satanic?
You still don't mind the past 8 years of the "my way" or the highway crowd,
Limpballs or FOX cartoon news so don't feign impropriety by Obama, "libs" or
your favorite "demons", Democrats.
You psychos aren't demonizing some alien entites from "The Exorcist", you
assholes who parrot Limpballs are trashing MY values.
5306 Dead, 439 since 1/20/09
> "pyjamarama" <pyjama...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
news:3452a1e9-5fc9-4138...@h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 24, 5:41 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
>> meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
>> flying out of her mouth:
>
> So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
> populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is now
> satanic?
No, but Michelle Bachmann might be.
>
> You still don't mind the past 8 years of the "my way" or the highway
> crowd, Limpballs or FOX cartoon news so don't feign impropriety by
> Obama, "libs" or your favorite "demons", Democrats.
> You psychos aren't demonizing some alien entites from "The Exorcist",
> you assholes who parrot Limpballs are trashing MY values.
Well, they have to, don't they? It's not like they have any values of
their own that they haven't already trashed.
GOP Altered History
"5306 Dead, 439 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote in message
news:C5OdnQ5TMe9WLanW...@posted.carinet...
They're like idiot children who keep banging their heads against the wall.
5306 Dead, 439 since 1/20/09
Well, I just wish they would bang HARDER...
Lisa Lisa
> On Dec 24, 5:41 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
> > meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
> > flying out of her mouth:
>
> So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
> populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is
> now satanic?
> Is there ANY aspect of life you'd like to leave to the discretion of
> individual?
>
> Besides being able to have unlimited abortions and smoke dope, that
> is?
Oh, so letting a kid with cancer die is moral, and aborting a fetus
and smoking dope isn't?
Like I said, Pugs are possessed by the devil.
Most people DO want better health care. They're just concerned about
this particular bill.
Lisa
Lisa
Frank Pittel
: On Dec 24, 5:41??pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
: > flying out of her mouth:
: So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
: populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is
: now satanic?
The looney tune brain dead lying fascist loser lib dems have no morals.
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Keep working dumbo needs the money
RichTravsky
> > I saw a vid of Michelle Bachmann holding an anti-health care prayer
> > meeting. I half expected her head to do a 360, and green bile to come
> > flying out of her mouth:
>
> So objecting to Democrats attempts to impose their "morals" on a
> populace that's made it clear they're tired of that sort of thing is
> now satanic?
Rightards let superstition dictate policy.