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DEM Communication two days after Wellstone's Death

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Acid Minded

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Oct 28, 2002, 3:01:55 PM10/28/02
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Just came across this communication that alledgenly was sent from a
Wash SEN to the the MN Dem party that was seen and annomously reported
because it made him angry 2 days after Sen Wellstone's death that
reads in part:


"We need to proceed urgently in scheduling services for no later than
the 28th so we can immediately bring in our man thereafter. Family has
given their approval for a fast track service so we can accomplish our
goal. We need to do this while at all times projecting publicly being
sensitive to the tragedy...." <snip it here>

Geeez, they have to instruct the party to take off the smiles and play
sensitive? What a act!

John H. Fisher

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Oct 28, 2002, 8:00:53 PM10/28/02
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In article <68c33e32.02102...@posting.google.com>,
lists...@bigfoot.com (Acid Minded) writes:

>
>Just came across this communication that alledgenly was sent from a
>Wash SEN to the the MN Dem party that was seen and annomously reported
>because it made him angry 2 days after Sen Wellstone's death that
>reads in part:

"ALLEGATIONS" and the bearing of false witness is not uncommon amongst the EVIL
Repuglycans. There's not a trustworthy one in the lot!!!=(:


"Jack" - John H. Fisher - TaxSe...@aol.com
Philadelphia, Pa - Atlantic City, NJ - West Wildwood, NJ
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Where Ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!=:)

Mike Flannigan

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Oct 28, 2002, 9:33:16 PM10/28/02
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What "the party" hopes to do is USE this tragedy in order to propel their
substitute to power and keep the Senate. The tactic is to demonize anyone
who might disagree with Mondale or expound his record as being mean
spirited. They know all they have to do is exploit the emotions of the
electorate in order to keep Wellstone's seat. That's their base, the hollow
headed emotional basket cases who spend most of their time sitting in front
of the TV watching Oprah and think no more about politics than where their
next government check is going to come from.


maky m.

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Oct 28, 2002, 10:54:10 PM10/28/02
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lists...@bigfoot.com (Acid Minded) wrote in message news:<68c33e32.02102...@posting.google.com>...

btw, i was pondering, why would a perfecly maintained plane just crash?

TL

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Oct 28, 2002, 11:18:35 PM10/28/02
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This sounds like republicoon mumbo jumbo to me. Probably written by one
of Mista Lincoln's mexicoons or cubacoons, because of the reference to
fast track.

John Slade

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Oct 28, 2002, 10:04:43 PM10/28/02
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"Acid Minded" <lists...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Why did you snip it? Where did you get the communication from?

John

John Slade

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Oct 28, 2002, 10:07:20 PM10/28/02
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"Mike Flannigan" <mflan...@jam.rr.com> wrote in message
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I love this. Republicans are taking polls on Mondale vs. Coleman and you
are lambasting Democrats because you read a quote from an unsubstantiated
source. Typical.

John

DemsRDesperate

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Oct 29, 2002, 7:20:40 AM10/29/02
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"John Slade" <hitm...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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And you actually think the Democrats are NOT taking polls on Mondale vs.
Coleman?


DemsRDesperate

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Oct 29, 2002, 7:21:30 AM10/29/02
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"maky m." <mman...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Why would a perfectly sober Ted Kennedy drive his car off a bridge and kill
a young girl to whom he was not married at the time?


True Blue

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Oct 29, 2002, 11:15:52 AM10/29/02
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"The 58-year-old, unashamed liberal Democrat, flying to northern
Minnesota when his twin-engine plane went down in the very same bad
weather that was supposed to have claimed JFK Jr.'s aircraft, was
locked in a tight race for a third term with former St. Paul Mayor
Norm Coleman. Both Republicans and Democrats were riveted on that
race, as it could have determined control of the Senate, which the
Democrats now control by a single seat.

Attorney Andrew Parker, a Coleman supporter, says Wellstone sees a
moral equivalence between Palestinian terrorism and Israeli military
retaliation and that Wellstone has not been good for the Jewish
community. In addition, he believes Wellstone is on the wrong side of
the Iraq debate, Parker said."

Very convenient accidents. This time they made sure his wife was in
the plane, so that Coleman would not be defeated by a dead man.

I think the significance of Wellstone's death is grossly
underestimated. There is a perception that his contribution was not
significant -he was a voice in the wilderness. I disagree. I think his
voice was even more significant than President Bush's because at least
Wellstone was elected by the people.

Whether Wellstone was murdered or not, Wellstone was elected, and
those who considered him an enemy, are the potential suspects of a
suspicious death.

But don't expect a resolution when the Attorney General of the United
States is an extremist who cannot even win an election against a dead
man. Ironic, isn't it? The selection of George Bush's Senate is now as
significan as the selection of Attorney General, John Ashcroft. I
think we have underestimated the significance of politically motivated
murder for far too long. Solve this one, Mr. Attorney General:

http://www.chandra.alturl.com



Was the Eveleth Airstrip Sabotaged? According to NBC news and CNN
there was a set of radio-controlled runway lights at the Eveleth
airport that are activated by the pilot when he clicks his radio.

Since it costs only $500, almost anybody could buy one and put up
their own set of lights with a battery, a power inverter, some wire
and couple of spotlights. The final cost of all the equipment
necessary would probably be around $700 to $1000.

What if someone set up a fake set of lights in the swamp that turned
on when the pilot clicked his radio after sabotaging the real lights
at the unmanned airstrip? If that's the case, then the pilot would try
to land in the swamp thinking the fake lights were the airport.

The rain, sleet and fog at the time would have reduced visibility to
nearly zero near the ground and obscured the terrain. By the time the
pilot realized he was landing in a swamp, it would be too late to pull
up and plow right into the ground.

The impact into the soft muck of the swamp would explain why the
fuselage was still intact and the wings and tail were torn
off(according to the eyewitness pilot who found the plane). The soft
muck pushing it's way up around the fuselage as the plane impacted on
it's belly would break off the wings and tail. It would also make it
look like an accident. Even the last person to see the plane go down
said he never saw any smoke, fire or anything as if to imply the plane
was landing normally.

Before investigators arrived, the fake lights and equipment were
removed to hide any evidence.

All this is possible, but it sounds like the area where they crashed
was full of muck. The odds of a light or truck getting stuck--or
footprints being left behind--would have been too great.

Another possibility is that someone tampered with the mechanicals. The
plane was flying in the wrong direction to land, suggesting some sore
of guidance malfunction. Also, the witness reported seeing the plane
turning sharply towards the left, possibly as a result of a tampered
gauge.

The fake lights possibility reminds me of a plot from "Die Hard II"
where terrorists took over the guidance software at an airport and
made the pilot of a jumbo jet think the runway was 200 feet lower than
it really was during the middle of a blizzard. By the time the pilot
realized what was wrong, the jet smashed belly-first into the runway
and blew up.

Whatever the cause, it seems that Sen. Wellstone was murdered after
all.

Politically motivated crime is like the Mafia was in the 1950's. The
authorities will continue to refuse to recognize it, until somebody
like Robert Kennedy comes along, to restore justice.

Ironically, Robert F. Kennedy's nephew was recently prosecuted for a
murder that was committed by a lunatic named Ken Littleton:

http://www.skakel.shorturl.com

DemsRDesperate

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Oct 29, 2002, 7:19:42 AM10/29/02
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"Acid Minded" <lists...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Remember Clinton and his "tears" at the Ron Brown funeral?


maky m.

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Oct 29, 2002, 10:15:08 PM10/29/02
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"DemsRDesperate" <Ran...@att.net> wrote in message news:<e3vv9.34036$Mb3.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

why would mondale replace wellstone? or better yet why would there be
a need for mondale to replace wellstone if wellstone's plane was fine?

Acid Minded

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Oct 30, 2002, 2:50:25 AM10/30/02
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> > "We need to proceed urgently in scheduling services for no later than
> > the 28th so we can immediately bring in our man thereafter. Family has
> > given their approval for a fast track service so we can accomplish our
> > goal. We need to do this while at all times projecting publicly being
> > sensitive to the tragedy...." <snip it here>
> >
> > Geeez, they have to instruct the party to take off the smiles and play
> > sensitive? What a act!
>
> Why did you snip it? Where did you get the communication from?
>
> John

It was a talk radio show I was listening to in the car in phoenix
(call in type) and they were reading portions of this communication by
someone angry on the DEM side whom was privy to it. I just quoted the
part that I felt stood out and I could reliably quote in detail.

On another note, in tuesdays New York Times may well add some support
to this quote as being legit. Here is some highligts from a article in
the Times:

"On Monday, a half-hour before the funeral service for the three
Wellstones, Mike Erlandson, the state party chairman, found the time
to tell reporters he was disgusted by his Republican counterpart's
call for five debates in the the campaign's remaining days."

(Wonder why he would be disgusted with a debate challenge?)


"Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning," Mr. Wellstone
said in a speech on the video. "Politics is about the improvement of
people's lives."


(Uh Yah, Wellstone's youngest son shouting "We will win!" at his
fathers funeral. Beam me up scotty!)

'But the anecdotes were overwhelmed by the politics. There were hardly
any tears shed throughout the night. "Now we must continue Paul's
journey for justice in America," said Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of
Iowa, Mr. Wellstone's best friend in the Senate.

As he finished, the crowd put away any pretense of the nonpolitical
and, invoking Mr. Mondale's nickname, cried, "Fritz, Fritz, Fritz!"'

This wasn't no funeral for the grieving -- it was a political rally of
the worst kind. You know, if minnesotans see this as playing on their
grief and emotions like in the worst way, the DEM's may well be in for
a rude awakening come next tuesday.


AM

Cathy Collie

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Oct 30, 2002, 10:37:46 AM10/30/02
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http://www.chandra.alturl.com

up and plow right into the ground. Other reports indicated that
visibility was good on that particular day, so if that is in fact the
case, poor weather reports were meant to divert attention away from
the real cause of the crash.

Acid Minded

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Oct 31, 2002, 5:29:57 AM10/31/02
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cathy...@yahoo.com (Cathy Collie) wrote in message news:<94e1a302.0210...@posting.google.com>...

> The fake lights possibility reminds me of a plot from "Die Hard II"
> where terrorists took over the guidance software at an airport and
> made the pilot of a jumbo jet think the runway was 200 feet lower than
> it really was during the middle of a blizzard. By the time the pilot
> realized what was wrong, the jet smashed belly-first into the runway
> and blew up.
>
> Whatever the cause, it seems that Sen. Wellstone was murdered after
> all.
>
> Politically motivated crime is like the Mafia was in the 1950's. The


I disagree. Being a pilot myself I am pretty sure what really may have
occured. It has been reported low cloud cover, I think like less then
1,000 feet or something. What the pilot was doing was trying to get a
visual of the runway and with the cloud cover being reported at a
certain height, he kept descending and not paying attention to his
Alt. Instead he was caught in a cloud cover that was actually on or
very near the ground at that particular location. My gut feeling is
pilot error here.

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