Re: 54% of Americans say global warming man's fault

[find WMD yet Repubs?]

On Nov 2, 4:36 pm, totfit <tot...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:11:25 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Amazing. After reading the right wing wackos here, I was beginning to think most
> >Americans really were the idiots Harry point out they are.
>
>Well, close to 50% fit the bill anyway.

Just as long as most Americans are square with MAINSTREAM scientific
results.

[Eddie Haskell]

"find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in message
news:f7a8e88b-ec76-4a3f...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

We didn't find any WMDs because Bush destroyed them all.

-Eddie Haskell

[Transition Zone]

On Nov 5, 12:39 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
> "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_even...@post.com> wrote in messagenews:f7a8e88b-ec76-4a3f...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 2, 4:36 pm, totfit <tot...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:11:25 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Amazing.  After reading the right wing wackos here,  I was beginning to
> > > think most
> > >Americans really were the idiots Harry point out they are.
>
>  >Well,  close to 50% fit the bill anyway.
>
> > Just as long as most Americans are square with MAINSTREAM scientific
> > results.
>
> We didn't find any WMDs because Bush destroyed them all.

Bush said they were there after 2003, too. Where are they?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Under armed guard, in Obama's Chicago basement.

[Transition Zone]

On Nov 5, 1:32 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Why won't BUSHY BOY say so then, huh?

[Eddie Haskell]

"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cite?

> Where are they?

I told you. Bush destroyed them all.

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"Transition Zone" <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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He already said that there weren't any.

That's because Bush destroyed them all.

-Eddie Haskell

[Michael A. Terrell]

He doesn't know Obama stole them.

[RichA]

Taking a poll like that right after the storm and the blitz of media
propaganda is like taking a poll on the death penalty right after a
multiple child killer is caught. Get it you stupid leftist, global
warming QUEER?

[Stormin Mormon]

Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature. Supose 54%
of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
that make it so?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[cloud dreamer]

On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature. Supose 54%
> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
> that make it so?

You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
and weather.

..

[Gunner]

Like the Earth is Flat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

Like disease comes from Humors?

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/hippocrates/a/hippocraticmeds.htm

Like heavier than air flight is impossible?

Like Computers will never get smaller than 4 tons?


We can close the books on infectious diseases.
Surgeon General of the United States William H. Stewart, 1969;
speaking to the U.S. Congress – cited in The Killers Within: The
Deadly Rise Of Drug-Resistant Bacteria by Mark J. Plotkin and Michael
Shnayerson, 2003, ISBN 0316735663.

With over fifteen types of foreign cars already on sale here, the
Japanese auto industry isn’t likely to carve out a big share of the
market for itself.
Businessweek, August 2, 1968.


Laugh laugh laugh.

Gunner, who is a member of the Flat Earth Society btw.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm


Technology

Technology refers to tools, machines, and other tangible devices that
are used by humans for certain processes.
Railroads

Rail travel at high speed is not possible, because passengers,
unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.
Dr Dionysius Lardner (1793-1859), professor of Natural
Philosophy and Astronomy, University College London, 1823.

Light bulb

Everyone acquainted with the subject will recognize it as a
conspicuous failure.
Henry Morton, president of the Stevens Institute of
Technology, on Edison's light bulb, 1880.

Telephone, telegraph

Well-informed people know that it is impossible to transmit the
human voice over wires as may be done with dots and dashes of Morse
code, and that, were it possible to do so, the thing would be of no
practical value.
Unidentified Boston newspaper, 1865
Quoted in Jehl, Francis (1936). Menlo Park Reminiscences (1st
edition ed.). Dearborn, Michigan: Edison Institute. pp. unidentified
page (of 430).
Re-quoted in Gregory, Richard Langton (1994). "What Use Is a
Jelly Baby?". Even Odder Perceptions. Routledge. pp. p. 18. ISBN
0415061067.

Transmission of documents via telephone wires is possible in
principle, but the apparatus required is so expensive that it will
never become a practical proposition.
Dennis Gabor, British physicist and author of Inventing the
Future, 1962.

Automobiles

The horse is here to stay but the automobile is only a novelty—a
fad.
The president of the Michigan Savings Bank advising Henry
Ford's lawyer not to invest in the Ford Motor Co., 1903.

The ordinary 'horseless carriage' is at present a luxury for the
wealthy; and although its price will probably fall in the future, it
will never, of course, come into as common use as the bicycle.
Literary Digest, 1899.

Airplanes

Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical (sic) and
insignificant, if not utterly impossible.
Simon Newcomb; The Wright Brothers flew at Kittyhawk 18 months
later. Newcomb was not impressed.

Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible.
Lord Kelvin, British mathematician and physicist, president of
the British Royal Society, 1895.

It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane,
which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the
[flying machine] problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn
elsewhere.
Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1895.

There will never be a bigger plane built.
A Boeing engineer, after the first flight of the 247, a twin
engine plane that holds ten people.

Radio

Radio has no future.
Lord Kelvin, Northern Irish mathematician and physicist,
former president of the Royal Society, 1897.

The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who
would pay for a message sent to no one in particular?
Associates of David Sarnoff responding to the latter's call
for investment in the radio in 1921.

Rockets

A rocket will never be able to leave the Earth's atmosphere.
New York Times, 1936.

Television

While theoretically and technically television may be feasible,
commercially and financially it is an impossibility, a development of
which we need waste little time dreaming.
Lee De Forest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the
vacuum tube, 1926.

Television won't last because people will soon get tired of
staring at a plywood box every night.
Darryl Zanuck, movie producer, 20th Century Fox, 1946.

Television won't last. It's a flash in the pan.
Mary Somerville, pioneer of radio educational broadcasts,
1948.

Atomic/nuclear power

There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom.
Robert Millikan, American physicist and Nobel Prize winner,
1923.

No “scientific bad boy” ever will be able to blow up the world by
releasing atomic energy.
Robert Millikan, American physicist and Nobel Prize winner,
attributed without citation in "They are saying", Popular Science 116
(2), February 1930, p. 66.

There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will
ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be
shattered at will.
Albert Einstein, 1932.

The energy produced by the breaking down of the atom is a very
poor kind of thing. Anyone who expects a source of power from the
transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine.
Ernest Rutherford, shortly after splitting the atom for the
first time.

Atomic energy might be as good as our present-day explosives, but
it is unlikely to produce anything very much more dangerous.
Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty, then
soon-to-be British Prime Minister, 1939.

The basic questions of design, material and shielding, in
combining a nuclear reactor with a home boiler and cooling unit, no
longer are problems... The system would heat and cool a home, provide
unlimited household hot water, and melt the snow from sidewalks and
driveways. All that could be done for six years on a single charge of
fissionable material costing about $300.
Robert Ferry, executive of the U.S. Institute of Boiler and
Radiator Manufacturers, 1955.

Nuclear-powered vacuum cleaners will probably be a reality in 10
years.
Alex Lewyt, president of vacuum cleaner company Lewyt Corp.,
in the New York Times in 1955.

Computers

I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked
with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a
fad that won't last out the year.
The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall,
1957.

[By 1985], machines [computers] will be capable of doing any work
Man can do.
Herbert A. Simon, Nobel Laureate from Carnegie Mellon
University, one of the founders of the field of artificial
intelligence – speaking in 1965.

There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his
home.
Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital
Equipment Corporation (DEC), in a talk given to a 1977 World Future
Society meeting in Boston. This is widely quoted but Olsen claims it
is taken out of context, that he was not referring to personal
computers but to a household computer that would control the home.
Reference: "Ken Olsen", Snopes, includes bibliography.

Space travel

To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the
controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can
make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to
earth - all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am
bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur
regardless of all future advances.
Lee De Forest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the
vacuum tube, in 1957[1]

There is practically no chance communications space satellites
will be used to provide better telephone, telegraph, television, or
radio service inside the United States.
T. Craven, FCC Commissioner (USA), in 1961 (the first
commercial communications satellite went into service in 1965).

Miscellaneous technology

What, sir, would you make a ship sail against the wind and
currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you, excuse me,
I have not the time to listen to such nonsense.
Napoleon Bonaparte, when told of Robert Fulton's steamboat,
1800s.

The phonograph has no commercial value at all.
Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1880s.

X-rays will prove to be a hoax.
Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, 1883.

Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time.
Nobody will use it, ever.
Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1889 (Edison often ridiculed
the arguments of competitor George Westinghouse for AC power).

I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of
submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at
sea.
H.G. Wells, British novelist, in 1901.

The idea that cavalry will be replaced by these iron coaches is
absurd. It is little short of treasonous.
Comment of Aide-de-camp to Field Marshal Haig, at tank
demonstration, 1916.

Very interesting, Whittle, my boy, but it will never work.
Cambridge Aeronautics Professor, when shown Frank Whittle's
plan for the jet engine.

The world potential market for copying machines is 5000 at most.
IBM, to the eventual founders of Xerox, saying the photocopier
had no market large enough to justify production, 1959.

Science, medicine, and health

Science in this case refers to any of the diverse scientific fields of
study, medicine refers to the scientific study of the body and how it
functions, and health refers to the study of how to keep the body
functioning well.

I would sooner believe that two Yankee professors lied, than that
stones fell from the sky.
Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, on hearing reports of
meteorites, 1790s(?).

The abolishment of pain in surgery is a chimera. It is absurd to
go on seeking it...knife and pain are two words in surgery that must
forever be associated in the consciousness of the patient.
Dr. Alfred Velpeau, French surgeon, 1839.

Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction.
Pierre Pachet, British surgeon and Professor of Physiology at
Toulouse, 1872.

The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from
the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon
John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon
Extraordinary to Queen Victoria, 1873.

We are probably nearing the limit of all we can know about
astronomy.
Simon Newcomb, Canadian-born American astronomer, 1888.

The more important fundamental laws and facts of physical science
have all been discovered, and these are so firmly established that the
possibility of their ever being supplanted in consequence of new
discoveries is exceedingly remote. Nevertheless, it has been found
that there are apparent exceptions to most of these laws, and this is
particularly true when the observations are pushed to a limit, i.e.,
whenever the circumstances of experiment are such that extreme cases
can be examined. Such examination almost surely leads, not to the
overthrow of the law, but to the discovery of other facts and laws
whose action produces the apparent exceptions.
Albert Abraham Michelson, Light waves and their uses,
University of Chicago Press, 1903. The first sentence is often quoted
out of context, completely misrepresenting his intent.

If excessive smoking actually plays a role in the production of
lung cancer, it seems to be a minor one.
W.C. Heuper, National Cancer Institute, 1954.

Every attempt to refer chemical questions to mathematical
doctrines must be considered, now and always, profoundly irrational,
as being contrary to the nature of the phenomena. . . . but if the
employment of mathematical analysis should ever become so preponderant
in chemistry (an aberration which is happily almost impossible) it
would occasion vast and rapid retrogradation...
Auguste Comte, The Positive Philosophy, 1853


Future historical, social, and pop-cultural events

Four or five frigates will do the business without any military
force.
British prime minister Lord North, on dealing with the
rebellious American colonies, 1774.

Ours has been the first [expedition], and doubtless to be the
last, to visit this profitless locality.
Lt. Joseph Ives, after visiting the Grand Canyon in 1861.

They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-.
Last words of Gen. John Sedgwick, spoken as he looked out over
the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania Court
House in 1864.

No, it will make war impossible.
Hiram Maxim, inventor of the machine gun, in response to the
question "Will this gun not make war more terrible?" from Havelock
Ellis, an English scientist, 1893.

I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here... We
have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and
it is time it should be stopped.
Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution,
1901.

Man will not fly for 50 years.
Wilbur Wright, American aviation pioneer, to brother Orville,
after a disappointing flying experiment, 1901 (their first successful
flight was in 1903).

The invention of aircraft will make war impossible in the future.
George Gissing, 1903.

Sensible and responsible women do not want to vote.
Grover Cleveland, U.S. President, 1905.

The coming of the wireless era will make war impossible, because
it will make war ridiculous.
Guglielmo Marconi, pioneer of radio, Technical World Magazine,
October, 1912, page 145.

You will be home before the leaves have fallen from the trees.
Kaiser Wilhelm, to the German troops, August 1914.

Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.
Irving Fisher, economics professor at Yale University, 1929.

This is the second time in our history that there has come back
from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is
peace for our time.
Neville Chamberlain, British Prime Minister, September 30th,
1938.

The Americans are good about making fancy cars and refrigerators,
but that doesn’t mean they are any good at making aircraft. They are
bluffing. They are excellent at bluffing.
Hermann Goering, Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, 1942.

It will be gone by June.
Variety, passing judgement on rock 'n roll in 1955.

A short-lived satirical pulp.
Time magazine, writing off Mad magazine in 1956.

We will bury you.
Nikita Kruschev, Soviet Premier, predicting Soviet communism
will win over U.S. capitalism, 1958. Originally mistranslated, a
better translation would be "We will be there when you are buried", a
common Russian insult.

In all likelihood world inflation is over.
International Monetary Fund CEO, 1959.

Reagan doesn’t have that presidential look.
United Artists Executive, rejecting Ronald Reagan as lead in
1964 film The Best Man.

And for the tourist who really wants to get away from it all,
safaris in Vietnam
Newsweek, predicting popular holidays for the late 1960s.

Remote shopping, while entirely feasible, will flop—because women
like to get out of the house, like to handle merchandise, like to be
able to change their minds.
Time, 1966, in one sentence writing off e-commerce long before
anyone had ever heard of it.

If anything remains more or less unchanged, it will be the role of
women.
David Riesman, conservative American social scientist, 1967.

It will be years - not in my time - before a woman will become
Prime Minister.
Margaret Thatcher, future Prime Minister, October 26th, 1969.

Read my lips: NO NEW TAXES.
George H. W. Bush, 1988.

This antitrust thing will blow over.
Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft.

It doesn't matter what he does, he will never amount to anything.
Albert Einstein's teacher to his father, 1895

The war... will last... six days, six weeks... I doubt six months.
Donald Rumsfeld on the Iraq War

Celebrities, athletes, and great artists and their works

If Beethoven's Seventh Symphony is not by some means abridged, it
will soon fall into disuse.
Philip Hale, Boston Music Critic, 1837.

By the year 1982 the graduated income tax will have practically
abolished major differences in wealth.
Irwin Edman, professor of philosophy Columbia University,
1932.

I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling on his face, and
not Gary Cooper.
Gary Cooper, on declining the lead role in Gone with the Wind.

We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out.
Decca Records, when they rejected The Beatles, 1962.

The singer (Mick Jagger) will have to go; the BBC won’t like him.
First Rolling Stones manager Eric Easton to his partner after
watching them perform.

The case is a loser.
Johnnie Cochran, on soon-to-be client O.J.’s chances of
winning, 1994.

Children just aren’t interested in Witches and Wizards anymore.
Anonymous publishing executive writing to JK Rowling 1996

Entrepreneurs and their revolutionary ideas

...so many centuries after the Creation it is unlikely that anyone
could find hitherto unknown lands of any value.
Committee advising King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain
regarding a proposal by Christopher Columbus, 1486.

Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil?
You're crazy.
Associates of Edwin L. Drake refusing his suggestion to drill
for oil in 1859.

No one will pay good money to get from Berlin to Potsdam in one
hour when he can ride his horse there in one day for free.
King William I of Prussia, on hearing of the invention of
trains, 1864.

The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn
better than a 'C', the idea must be feasible.
A Yale University management professor in response to a
college assignment by Fred Smith proposing a reliable overnight
delivery service, in 1966. Smith would later go on to found Federal
Express Corp.

A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports
say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you
make.
Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields'
Cookies.


Experts.....snicker


--
"President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of
you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having
a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the
day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the
world where you can reside and establish new citizenship.
Kirby Grant,<KGr...@yahoo.com>

[Tom Gardner]

You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
Science and politically driven Junk Science.

Never mind, you are suffering from Kool-Aid poisoning and can't do
anything unless you are told by your High Priest.

[Gray Guest]

Transition Zone <mog...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:2bb0dec9-ef3d-4621-
9575-b68...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 5, 12:39 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
>> "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_even...@post.com> wrote in
messagenews:f7a

> 8e88b-ec76-4a3f-...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

>> On Nov 2, 4:36 pm, totfit <tot...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:> On Sat, 27
Oct
> 2012 17:11:25 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > Amazing.  After reading the right wing wackos here,  I was beginn
> ing to
>> > > think most
>> > >Americans really were the idiots Harry point out they are.
>>
>>  >Well,  close to 50% fit the bill anyway.
>>
>> > Just as long as most Americans are square with MAINSTREAM scientific
>> > results.
>>
>> We didn't find any WMDs because Bush destroyed them all.
>
> Bush said they were there after 2003, too. Where are they?
>

Syria retard. Dom't you have even one functioning brain cell?

--
Refusenik #1

Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama

[Gray Guest]

cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote in
news:i9WdnfOs2uAbrwXN...@supernews.com:

You need to go back to school to learn... something, anything.

[cloud dreamer]

Nope. I base my information on what the science says, not what the
politicians say. I can support everything I saw.

If you can't even figure out the difference between weather and climate,
it's hard to expect you to figure out the evidence.

The sad part is that your kids are the ones who will suffer the most.
Why do you hate them?

..

[Gunner]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:03:02 -0330, cloud dreamer
<red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:

>On 05/11/2012 9:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>> Supose 54%
>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>> that make it so?
>>>
>>>
>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>> and weather.
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>
>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>
>> Never mind, you are suffering from Kool-Aid poisoning and can't do
>> anything unless you are told by your High Priest.
>
>
>Nope. I base my information on what the science says, not what the
>politicians say. I can support everything I saw.

Odd....seems the East Anglica cluster fuck took most of the air out of
your sails.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/15/global-warming-insignificant-years-admits-uks-climate-scientist/

Then it was Gorbal Warming..then after that bit was exposed as utter
bullshit..it became "climate change"

In the 1970s..it was claimed Global Cooling was going to have us
living in igloos by 2002

Your lot cant ever seem to get it right, can you?

The Midieval Warm and then the Little Ice Age were cased by armpit
spray, leaking air conditioners and jet air craft travel?

Im curious.... given this from the NOA website

n summary, it appears that the late 20th and early 21st centuries are
likely the warmest period the Earth has seen in at least 1200 years.
For a summary of the latest available research on the nature of
climate during the "Medieval Warm Period", please see Box 6.4 of the
IPCC 2007 Palaeoclimate chapter.

Warmest period in 1200 yrs. And before that? More pit spray and jet
aircraft exhaust?

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/medieval.html

You will notice that the Medieval Warm lasted for 400 yrs. And the
Little Ice Age lasted for over a century.

Then we have this.....
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has
been no global warming since 1995

By Jonathan Petre
UPDATED: 12:12 EST, 14 February 2010

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Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing
There has been no global warming since 1995
Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made
changes

Professor Phil Jones

Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good
as it should be'

The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data
is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has
trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused
Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the
relevant papers.

Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the
observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that
his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping
is ‘not as good as it should be’.

The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate
change advocates to support the theory.

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was
warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not
be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no
‘statistically significant’ warming.

The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that
there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change
and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely
man-made.

Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as
director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit
after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were
manipulating data.

The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the
world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster
efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.


More...

MAIL ON SUNDAY COMMENT: The professor's amazing climate change
retreat

Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of
‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information
and refusing to share vital data with critics.

Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger
Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had
told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not
record-keeping and office tidying.

Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC’s website, said
the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data
from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature
change.

That material has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph’ which
is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent
decades.

According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his
office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens
of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he
took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of
paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be
held to account over them’.

Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the
lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance
to share data with critics, which he regretted.
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But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the
scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature
rises were predominantly man-made.

Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said:
‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather
stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be.

‘There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of
everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on
their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We
have improved but we have to improve more.’

He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced
similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said
these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent
warming could not.

He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no
‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a
blip rather than the long-term trend.

And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been
even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is
evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from
settled.

Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer
between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high
temperatures in northern countries.

But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only
applying to the northern part of the world.

Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is
much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent
or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America,
the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.

‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly
in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere.
There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two
regions.

‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or
warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would
not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but
was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be
unprecedented.’

Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with
the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming
Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been
hotter then than now.

Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his
data with them, saying they could always collate their own from
publicly available material in the US. And he said the climate had not
cooled ‘until recently – and then barely at all. The trend is a
warming trend’.

Mr Harrabin told Radio 4’s Today programme that, despite the
controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the
majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made.

But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy
Foundation, said Professor Jones’s ‘excuses’ for his failure to share
data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and ‘mates’.

He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test
it to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change
advocates.

He added that the professor’s concessions over medieval warming were
‘significant’ because they were his first public admission that the
science was not settled.

Read more:
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"evidence suggests that the Medieval Warm Period was in fact warmer
than today in many parts of the globe such as in the North Atlantic.
This warming thereby allowed Vikings to travel further north than had
been previously possible because of reductions in sea ice and land ice
in the Arctic. "..

Thats odd...so the artic ice thawed out and Vikings could settle on
Greenland and raise grapes there.

Odd indeed. Yet the crapheads are claiming that it could only have
been done by CFCs and armpit spray and jet exhausts.

Funny that eh wot?

>
>If you can't even figure out the difference between weather and climate,
>it's hard to expect you to figure out the evidence.
>
>The sad part is that your kids are the ones who will suffer the most.
>Why do you hate them?

Im curious, you are gay and have no children, correct?

Gunner

>
> ..

[Gray Guest]

"find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in news:f7a8e88b-
ec76-4a3f-948...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:

What results asshole?

You have a very questionable theory and maybe 40 years of data that you
have twisted into a socialist pretzel.

How about the other 4.5 billion years ya dumb ass?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:
>
> In the 1970s..it was claimed Global Cooling was going to have us
> living in igloos by 2002

One of my teachers was ranting that a world war would break out to
take control of the land along the equator, since it would be the only
place on earth capable of growing any food.

[Martin Phipps]

On Nov 6, 9:26 am, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>
> > On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> >> Who cares?  Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
> >> Supose 54%
> >> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
> >> that make it so?
>
> > You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
> > and weather.
>
> >   ..
>
> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
> Science and politically driven Junk Science.

Junk Science = real science that Tom Gardner chooses to ignore

Science is about making predictions and the science is only as good as
its predictive value. Scientists have predicted stronger storms, a
longer storm season, storms farther north and more flooding. Seems
like pretty good science to me.

Martin

[Michael A. Terrell]

Martin Phipps wrote:
>
> Science is about making predictions and the science is only as good as
> its predictive value. Scientists have predicted stronger storms, a
> longer storm season, storms farther north and more flooding. Seems
> like pretty good science to me.

Science is learning facts about how things work. You're talking
Science Fiction.

[Martin Phipps]

On Nov 6, 12:29 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

No, I'm not. You obviously aren't familiar with the scientific
method: you make an observation and from that observation you make a
prediction as to what will happen when you perform an experiment and
then you perform that experiment and compare your results to what was
predicted.

Martin

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on or about
Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:35:10 -0800 did write, type or otherwise cause to
appear in talk.politics.guns the following:

>
>Like the Earth is Flat?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
>
>Like disease comes from Humors?
>
>http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/hippocrates/a/hippocraticmeds.htm

On a side note - if illness is not caused by "bad air" then why
do we cover our mouths when we cough?
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.

[trotsky]

On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>> Supose 54%
>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>> that make it so?
>>
>>
>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>> and weather.
>>
>> ..
>>
>
> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
> Science and politically driven Junk Science.

I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?

[trotsky]

On 11/5/12 7:29 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
> cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote in
> news:i9WdnfOs2uAbrwXN...@supernews.com:
>
>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>> Supose 54% of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in
>>> Washington DC. does that make it so?
>>
>>
>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>> and weather.
>>
>> ..
>>
>>
>
> You need to go back to school to learn... something, anything.

That's a very helpful comment, Gray Goose.

[trotsky]

Don't even tell me a guy that stupid has kids.

[Michael A. Terrell]

A prediction? What a fool. You observe, measure & document. Then
you propose a theory and attempt top prove or disprove it. You
'prediction' method gave us gems like 'Bumblebees can't fly, the math
doesn't support it' and 'Heavier than air? It'll never get off the
ground!'.


What do you do for a living? I was an engineer.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Schools where liberals don't set the agenda.

[cloud dreamer]

I would not be surprised. You don't have to be smart to make a kid.
(Though it wouldn't surprise me if he is a deadbeat dad that thinks
welfare for the single mother raising his child is wrong).

Now, if you'll excuse me, but it's November 6th, I'm in Canada, our
normal killing frost is now a month late and I have to go mow my lawn.

;]

[Gunner]

He panhandles at the mall.

[Gunner]

Good ones. Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties love.

Gunner

[trotsky]

And I just got back from voting. Of course, I'm in Illinois, which
isn't a swing state, but I still feel better for having done it.

[trotsky]

On 11/6/12 7:25 AM, Gunner wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:20:04 -0600, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>> Supose 54%
>>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>>> that make it so?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>> and weather.
>>>>
>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>
>>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>
>>
>> I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>
>
> Good ones. Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties love.

Would that include the Harvard Law School that Obama attended, Gunther?

[Michael A. Terrell]

cloud dreamer wrote:
>
> I would not be surprised. You don't have to be smart to make a kid.
> (Though it wouldn't surprise me if he is a deadbeat dad that thinks
> welfare for the single mother raising his child is wrong).
>
> Now, if you'll excuse me, but it's November 6th, I'm in Canada, our
> normal killing frost is now a month late and I have to go mow my lawn.

Don't you need a special permit to grow grass in Canada? ;-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:52:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Martin Phipps wrote:
> >>
> >> On Nov 6, 12:29 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Martin Phipps wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Science is about making predictions and the science is only as good as
> >> > > its predictive value. Scientists have predicted stronger storms, a
> >> > > longer storm season, storms farther north and more flooding. Seems
> >> > > like pretty good science to me.
> >> >
> >> > Science is learning facts about how things work. You're talking
> >> > Science Fiction.
> >>
> >> No, I'm not. You obviously aren't familiar with the scientific
> >> method: you make an observation and from that observation you make a
> >> prediction as to what will happen when you perform an experiment and
> >> then you perform that experiment and compare your results to what was
> >> predicted.
> >
> >
> > A prediction? What a fool. You observe, measure & document. Then

> >you propose a theory and attempt to prove or disprove it. Your

> >'prediction' method gave us gems like 'Bumblebees can't fly, the math
> >doesn't support it' and 'Heavier than air? It'll never get off the
> >ground!'.
> >
> >
> > What do you do for a living? I was an engineer.
>
> He panhandles at the mall.

In front of Frederick's of Hollywood, no doubt! ;-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

I left home at 7:15 AM, and was in line for under 10 minutes. I was
home before 8:00 AM. I was number 73 at my polling place.

[Basement Bandy]

On Nov 6, 8:25 am, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:20:04 -0600, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> >On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> >> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> >>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> >>>> Who cares?  Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
> >>>> Supose 54%
> >>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
> >>>> that make it so?
>
> >>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
> >>> and weather.
>
> >>>   ..
>
> >> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
> >> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>
> > I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>
>Good ones. Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties
love.

Give us a reason why we shouldn't "love" them?

[Eddie Haskell]

"cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote in message
news:i9WdneSs2uBQ9QXN...@supernews.com...

> On 05/11/2012 9:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>> Supose 54%
>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC.
>>>> does
>>>> that make it so?
>>>
>>>
>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>> and weather.
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>
>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>
>> Never mind, you are suffering from Kool-Aid poisoning and can't do
>> anything unless you are told by your High Priest.
>
>
> Nope. I base my information on what the science says, not what the
> politicians say.

Politicians tell the scientists what to say with government funding,
dumbass.

A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that
humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the
public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years
to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent
scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to
conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these
scientists view global warming as a political "cause" rather than a balanced
scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each
other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate
manipulation of facts and data.

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is
the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that
independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or
hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations.
Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to
hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures.

"I've been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information]
Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to
delete all emails at the end of the process,"writes Phil Jones, a scientist
working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC), in a newly released email.


"Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research
grants we get - and has to be well hidden," Jones writes in another newly
released email. "I've discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of
Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original
station data."

The original Climategate emails contained similar evidence of destroying
information and data that the public would naturally assume would be
available according to freedom of information principles. "Mike, can you
delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment]?" Jones wrote to
Penn State University scientist Michael Mann in an email released in
Climategate 1.0. "Keith will do likewise. . We will be getting Caspar
[Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site] claim
they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!"

The new emails also reveal the scientists' attempts to politicize the debate
and advance predetermined outcomes.

"The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e]
what's
included and what is left out" of IPCC reports, writes Jonathan Overpeck,
coordinating lead author for the IPCC's most recent climate assessment.

"I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith
Curry a while ago. I don't know what she thinks she's doing, but its not
helping the cause," wrote Mann in another newly released email.

"I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative
journalist to investigate and expose" skeptical scientist Steve McIntyre,
Mann writes in another newly released email.

These new emails add weight to Climategate 1.0 emails revealing efforts to
politicize the scientific debate. For example, Tom Wigley, a scientist at
the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, authored a Climategate
1.0 email asserting that his fellow Climategate scientists "must get rid
of" the editor for a peer-reviewed science journal because he published
some papers contradicting assertions of a global warming crisis.

More than revealing misconduct and improper motives, the newly released
emails additionally reveal frank admissions of the scientific shortcomings
of global warming assertions.

"Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical
troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a
wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate
the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss
these further if necessary," writes Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office.

"I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it
which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run," Thorne
adds.

"Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive . there have been a number of
dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC,"
Wigley acknowledges.

More damaging emails will likely be uncovered during the next few days as
observers pour through the 5,000 emails. What is already clear, however, is
the need for more objective research and ethical conduct by the scientists
at the heart of the IPCC and the global warming discussion.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/2/

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MdSdnW0lnaspFAXN...@earthlink.com...

Fuckin' idiot.

-Eddie Haskell

[Gray Guest]

trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote in
news:0tadnUHwjacEbwXN...@mchsi.com:

Get the ax out of your head. Than hit yourself with it again.

[Michael A. Terrell]

You, or that teacher?

[Eddie Haskell]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:NPSdnYC_I72ZpwTN...@earthlink.com...

Well, you already know that I'm smart as it gets so use your powers of
deduction.

-Eddie Haskell

[cloud dreamer]

On 06/11/2012 12:43 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:MdSdnW0lnaspFAXN...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>> In the 1970s..it was claimed Global Cooling was going to have us
>>> living in igloos by 2002
>>

Ummm...no, they didn't. Seven published papers entertained the idea that
we were entering the period of decline towards an ice age (that would
take 50,000 years) because the CO2 content of the atmosphere was
approaching the natural high of 300 PPM. During the same period, more
than 50 papers warned that the CO2 content would continue to climb due
to fossil fuel burning and drive temperatures up.

Evidence is proving they latter were right.

>>
>>
>> One of my teachers was ranting that a world war would break out to
>> take control of the land along the equator, since it would be the only
>> place on earth capable of growing any food.
>
> Fuckin' idiot.

Yes, that teacher is idiot. The equatorial region will be the worst
affected and the growing of food is already declining in those regions.
Chocolate is already on the endangered list since it's grown in a very
narrow latitude. Chocolate companies are already trying to find other
ways/places to produce chocolate.

And yes, war over food in inevitable. The world's military complex is
already planning for it (check out Climate Wars by Dyer).

..

[cloud dreamer]

On 06/11/2012 12:26 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
> "cloud dreamer" <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote in message
> news:i9WdneSs2uBQ9QXN...@supernews.com...
>> On 05/11/2012 9:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>> Supose 54%
>>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC.
>>>>> does
>>>>> that make it so?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>> and weather.
>>>>
>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>
>>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>>
>>> Never mind, you are suffering from Kool-Aid poisoning and can't do
>>> anything unless you are told by your High Priest.
>>
>>
>> Nope. I base my information on what the science says, not what the
>> politicians say.
>
> Politicians tell the scientists what to say with government funding,
> dumbass.

Dumbass?

You don't have the first clue. You still think climategate actually
meant something. It was thoroughly debunked by numerous groups worldwide
including a panel of journalists (who would have happily reported
anything of substance....but they found nothing...and even the BBC
forwarded an apology to the CRU for publishing the bullshit without
having verified the source).

Nice try. Next.

<plonk>

..

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Tue, 06 Nov 2012
06:52:46 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Home school, private school. For college level studies -
Hillsdale College. It takes no (zero, zilch, none) Federal Dollars.
Not the college, nor the students - that means no Pell grants, no VA
benefits. They will work with you to find alternative sources of
funding, but they are not giving the Feds any excuse to claim control.
"He who pays the piper, calls the tune."


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much
as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History".

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:25:08 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:20:04 -0600, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>> Supose 54%
>>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>>> that make it so?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>> and weather.
>>>>
>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>
>>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>
>>
>>I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>
>
>Good ones. Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties love.

Worse, they don't even learn the Liberal Arts - it is just another
slew of "Liberal Studies" hijacking the old name.

The Liberal Arts - classically understood - was very rigorous. The
Trivium and the Quadrium formed the basis of all knowledge. Grammar,
Logic and Rhetoric - informs you how to form a correct sentence, how
to assemble those correct sentences into logical arguments, and how to
use those arguments to persuade others.

There is a correct way to do "it"- philosophy, literature, art,
music, the sciences. There is a Truth and Students don't get a vote
in what is "relevant" - they are there to learn, not teach.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Eddie Haskell wrote:
>
> Well, you already know that I'm smart as it gets so use your powers of
>

Still a legend in your tiny mind, I see.

[Gunner]

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/global%20cooling.htm

"Is it true that there was a global cooling scare in the 1970s?

Yes it is true but, like the little ice age and the mediaeval warm
period, it is dismissed by the eco-theological propagandists as having
never happened. In this case, however, there is not only extensive
documentation but also the memories of those old enough to have
experienced the scare, to whom the claim is a gratuitous insult.



There ought to be, as it is typical of what we see today. Yet, it is
from a magazine article of 1975 hyping the then well-known threat of
global cooling. It has all the features that we have come to know and
love about the modern version – deductions from a recent random
fluctuation in the temperature trend, accounts of increases in
tornadoes, economic and social disasters including crop failures and
much more.

Such apocalyptic warnings continued until 1983, when the scaremongers
did an about turn, allegedly as a result of the prompting of the green
civil servant Sir Crispin Tickel, who persuaded his boss, Margaret
Thatcher, that she could use her political uniqueness in holding a
science qualification to promote a new scenario, which was attractive
to her as she was at war with the coal miners and the oil sheiks.

Although global warming via carbon dioxide had been mooted, it was
then fashionable to believe that it was more than countered by the
negative effects of pollution. The fantastic engineering solutions
being promoted at the time were remarkable, only to be superseded by
the economic suicide pact that was Kyoto.

There are some more links to the global cooling scare here.
http://pjmedia.com/ "

[Gunner]

You still have his grade records at hand? Post em.

As to the answer to your question..Yes..that would certainly include
Harvard.


<VBG>

[Gunner]

Because they turn out people as stupid as your bunch. They turn out
OWS people who shit on police cars as a single example.

Now we have Michigan Tech (my alma mater), MIT and a host of other
decent schools that turn out people who actually know something
useful.

Notice the numbers of people working at MickyDs with college degrees?

Not a lot of call for people with a degree in 16th Century
Elizibethian poetry..is there? Hummm?

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:46:55 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 07:31:28 -0600, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/6/12 7:25 AM, Gunner wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:20:04 -0600, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>>>> Supose 54%
>>>>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>>>>> that make it so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>>>> and weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>>>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Good ones. Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties love.
>>
>>
>>Would that include the Harvard Law School that Obama attended, Gunther?
>
>
>You still have his grade records at hand? Post em.
>
>As to the answer to your question..Yes..that would certainly include
>Harvard.

Haavad is the Old Mother Load of Liberal Studies. The Ivy League
Colleges were the ones which first validated Orwell's observation that
there are some ideas so preposterous that only a member of the
"intelligentsia" would believe them.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:49:45 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:49:02 -0800 (PST), Basement Bandy
><walter_...@post.com> wrote:
>>On Nov 6, 8:25 am, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:20:04 -0600, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
>>> >On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>> >> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> >>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> >>>> Who cares?  Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>> >>>> Supose 54%
>>> >>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>> >>>> that make it so?
>>> >>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>> >>> and weather.

>>> >> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>> >> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>>
>>> > I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>>>
>> >Good ones. Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties
>>love.
>>
>>Give us a reason why we shouldn't "love" them?
>
>Because they turn out people as stupid as your bunch. They turn out
>OWS people who shit on police cars as a single example.

That's the main reason he loves the lefty credential mills -
because they _do_ turn out such examples.

>
>Now we have Michigan Tech (my alma mater), MIT and a host of other
>decent schools that turn out people who actually know something
>useful.
>
>Notice the numbers of people working at MickyDs with college degrees?
>
>Not a lot of call for people with a degree in 16th Century
>Elizibethian poetry..is there? Hummm?

Taint necessarily the fact that they have a BA in English lit with
a specialization in 16th C Elizabethan poetry - but that in the course
of getting that degree, they learned nothing other than their opinion
was just as good as anyone else's. They don't have to back up their
opinions, just assert them. End of discussion.
Oh, and could they write a poem in the style of any Elizabethan
era poet? No, because never learned what makes a Proper Poem.

There is an anecdote from Harold Macmillian [PM of the UK in the
late 1950's early 1960s], when he started at Oxford. He was told
"Nothing you learn here at Oxford will be of the slightest use to you
later, save only this: that if you study hard and intelligently, you
should be able to detect when a man is talking rot. And that in my
view is the main, if not the sole, purpose of an education."


tschus
pyotr



(trivial note: "During the Battle of the Somme, he spent an entire day
wounded and lying in a slit trench with a bullet in his pelvis,
reading the classical Greek playwright Aeschylus in the original
language."

[Transition Zone]

On Nov 6, 2:49 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:49:02 -0800 (PST), Basement Bandy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <walter_even...@post.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 6, 8:25 am, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:20:04 -0600, trotsky <gmsi...@email.com> wrote:
> >> >On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> >> >> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> >> >>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> >> >>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
> >> >>>> Supose 54%
> >> >>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
> >> >>>> that make it so?
>
> >> >>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
> >> >>> and weather.
>
> >> >>> ..
>
> >> >> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
> >> >> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>
> >> >  I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>
> > >Good ones.  Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties
> >love.
>
> > Give us a reason why we shouldn't "love" them ?
>
> Because they turn out people as stupid as your bunch.

No, they PREVENT stupidity. Get it right for once, OK??

[Dano]

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
news:6mui98ddsteej47tc...@4ax.com...

Taint necessarily the fact that they have a BA in English lit with
a specialization in 16th C Elizabethan poetry - but that in the course
of getting that degree, they learned nothing other than their opinion
was just as good as anyone else's. They don't have to back up their
opinions, just assert them. End of discussion.

====================================

Thank you for proving the truth in that. Nicely demonstrated...leaving no
doubt in what to do next about that. Welcome to my filter. Nothing more I
can learn from YOU.

[Martin Phipps]

On Nov 6, 7:51 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>

wrote:
> Martin Phipps wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6, 12:29 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > > Martin Phipps wrote:
>
> > > > Science is about making predictions and the science is only as good as
> > > > its predictive value.  Scientists have predicted stronger storms, a
> > > > longer storm season, storms farther north and more flooding.  Seems
> > > > like pretty good science to me.
>
> > >    Science is learning facts about how things work.  You're talking
> > > Science Fiction.
>
> > No, I'm not.  You obviously aren't familiar with the scientific
> > method: you make an observation and from that observation you make a
> > prediction as to what will happen when you perform an experiment and
> > then you perform that experiment and compare your results to what was
> > predicted.
>
>    A prediction?  What a fool.  You observe, measure & document.  Then

> you propose a theory and attempt top prove or disprove it.

The theory is a prediction as to what will happen. And you never
"prove" a theory: the best you can do is compare your prediction to
what actually happens and either conclude that the theory works or
needs revision.

> You

> 'prediction' method gave us gems like 'Bumblebees can't fly, the math
> doesn't support it' and 'Heavier than air?  It'll never get off the
> ground!'.
>
>    What do you do for a living?  I was an engineer.

I have a Ph.D. in physics. You are obviously an idiot who has never
performed an experiment. I'd like to know where a person can qualify
to be an engineer without a basic science education.

Martin

[Martin Phipps]

On Nov 6, 7:52 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> trotsky wrote:
>
> > On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> > > On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
> > >> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> > >>> Who cares?  Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
> > >>> Supose 54%
> > >>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
> > >>> that make it so?
>
> > >> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
> > >> and weather.
>
> > >>   ..
>
> > > You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
> > > Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>
> > I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>

>    Schools where liberals don't set the agenda.

I see no evidence that you ever went to school. You say "I was an
engineer". The operative word here is "was". Were you fired for
complete incompetence?

Martin

[Martin Phipps]

On Nov 7, 12:13 am, "Eddie Haskell" <tyv...@sqpcb.com> wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:MdSdnW0lnaspFAXN...@earthlink.com...

>
>
>
> > Gunner wrote:
>
> >> In the 1970s..it was claimed Global Cooling was going to have us
> >> living in igloos by 2002
>
> >   One of my teachers was ranting that a world war would break out to
> > take control of the land along the equator, since it would be the only
> > place on earth capable of growing any food.
>
> Fuckin' idiot.
>
> -Eddie Haskell

Yes, you are a fucking idiot. That has been well established.

Martin

[Michael A. Terrell]

Martin Phipps wrote:
>
> On Nov 6, 7:51 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Martin Phipps wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 6, 12:29 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Martin Phipps wrote:
> >
> > > > > Science is about making predictions and the science is only as good as
> > > > > its predictive value. Scientists have predicted stronger storms, a
> > > > > longer storm season, storms farther north and more flooding. Seems
> > > > > like pretty good science to me.
> >
> > > > Science is learning facts about how things work. You're talking
> > > > Science Fiction.
> >
> > > No, I'm not. You obviously aren't familiar with the scientific
> > > method: you make an observation and from that observation you make a
> > > prediction as to what will happen when you perform an experiment and
> > > then you perform that experiment and compare your results to what was
> > > predicted.
> >
> > A prediction? What a fool. You observe, measure & document. Then
> > you propose a theory and attempt top prove or disprove it.
>
> The theory is a prediction as to what will happen. And you never
> "prove" a theory: the best you can do is compare your prediction to
> what actually happens and either conclude that the theory works or
> needs revision.

Then there is no need for any research, if you can never finish the
job.

> > You
> > 'prediction' method gave us gems like 'Bumblebees can't fly, the math
> > doesn't support it' and 'Heavier than air? It'll never get off the
> > ground!'.
> >
> > What do you do for a living? I was an engineer.
>
> I have a Ph.D. in physics. You are obviously an idiot who has never
> performed an experiment. I'd like to know where a person can qualify
> to be an engineer without a basic science education.
>

Another 'Pointy Headed Dunce'. Yes, I've performed experiments.
I've also been part of the engineering for electronics that's in orbit.

You are obviously a self important ass.

[Michael A. Terrell]

No, I'm retired. It looks like you waited to long to do the same.

[Martin Phipps]

On Nov 7, 1:45 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>

Non sequitor. Your statement above does not follow from anything I
said. If you have no idea what I am talking about then just admit it.

The fact is that science is not about "proving" anything. That is
what lawyers claim to do, namely "prove" their case. Scientists
refine their theories in order to be able to make more accurate
predictions. It isn't about "proving" theories to be "true". The
theory is always a model that approximates reality.

> > > You
> > > 'prediction' method gave us gems like 'Bumblebees can't fly, the math
> > > doesn't support it' and 'Heavier than air?  It'll never get off the
> > > ground!'.
>
> > >    What do you do for a living?  I was an engineer.
>
> > I have a Ph.D. in physics.  You are obviously an idiot who has never
> > performed an experiment.  I'd like to know where a person can qualify
> > to be an engineer without a basic science education.
>
>    Another 'Pointy Headed Dunce'.  Yes, I've performed experiments.

It is truly sad that you performed experiments while having absolutely
no idea what you were doing.

> I've also been part of the engineering for electronics that's in orbit.
>
>    You are obviously a self important ass.

Better to be "self important" than of no importance whatsoever. You,
sir, are an ignoramus and a complete waste of my time.

Martin

[Martin Phipps]

On Nov 7, 1:46 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>

On the contrary, while I may not enjoy tenure at the university where
I teach I don't plan to retire at any time either.

Martin

[trotsky]

Agreed.

[cloud dreamer]

He ran the kiddie train at the local fairground. He thinks that makes
him an "engineer."

..

[Michael A. Terrell]

Martin Phipps wrote:
>
> Better to be "self important" than of no importance whatsoever. You,
> sir, are an ignoramus and a complete waste of my time.

Yawn. I had to help a PHd in antartica troubleshoot a VERY simple
problem over the internet. He had damaged a brand new $20,000 telemetry
reciever, and couldn't understand the most basic instructions. He was a
know it all, and kept jumping to false conclusions, and 'predicting' the
cause rather than listen to the person that verified that assembly at
the factory. You remind me of Sheldon Cooper, and not in a good way.
Another 'Educated above your ability to understand' jerk. My Physics
teacher in high school asked me to teach part of the course that covered
electricity, since I was already working in electronics and had a better
understanding of the subject. He knew the base material, but wasn't
ready for the questions of some know it alls in class.


I know damn good and well that science is never 100%, but when you
fools screw up you really do it big time. Engineers take reliable
theories and make them work while your bunch keeps making 'predictions'.

A physisist & an Engineer are talking at a party, when the engineer
spots a beautiful woman on the other side of the room and says, Excuse
me, but I want to meet that woman! The Physisyst starts yammering, "If
you stop half way to her, then repeat the process you'll never reach
her!" The Engineer laughed and said, "I'll be close enough!"

[Michael A. Terrell]

I had no choice, when my health failed. That doesn't mean that I
don't keep up with my field and still work with electronics. I just
miss the design & construction of equiipment for NASA, NOAA and a bunch
of other agencies. Some of the equipment went to universites, as well.
Telemetry used for medical research, and remote control of machines and
yes even military drones & medical ROBOTS!

[Michael A. Terrell]

cloud dreamer wrote:
>
> He ran the kiddie train at the local fairground. He thinks that makes
> him an "engineer."

I was part of the engineering group that put a KU band communications
system on the International Space Station. Voice, video or data at up
to 40 MB/s.. What do you do, other than hide behind a stupid nym and
make cheap shots?


BTW, the local 'fairgrounds' doesn't have a kiddy train, so you
wouldn't like it. It is used to show racehorses, from the local
ranches.

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/5/2012 8:33 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:

> On 05/11/2012 9:56 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>> Supose 54%
>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC.
>>>> does
>>>> that make it so?
>>>
>>>
>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>> and weather.
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>
>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>

>> Never mind, you are suffering from Kool-Aid poisoning and can't do
>> anything unless you are told by your High Priest.
>
>
> Nope. I base my information on what the science says, not what the

> politicians say. I can support everything I saw.
>
> If you can't even figure out the difference between weather and climate,
> it's hard to expect you to figure out the evidence.
>
> The sad part is that your kids are the ones who will suffer the most.
> Why do you hate them?
>
> ..

Global warming? Maybe. AGW? an unproven conjecture stewed in
politics. Look up the "Scientific Method", try to understand it, then
get back to me. Otherwise you look foolish.

[cloud dreamer]

I understand it fine.

The only one that will look foolish is you when you try to explain to
your kids why you were among those who choose to ignore the thousands of
scientists and mountains of evidence because they didn't want their nice
comfy life disrupted.

You don't even know the difference between weather and climate. If you
can't even figure that out then explaining to you how external forcings
are necessary to increase CO2 from the natural interglacial high of
300-320 ppm is well beyond your comprehension.

The fact that all you can spew is rhetoric is proof of that. I've
specified a lot of basic facts of climate change...and have yet to have
anyone offer an intellectually compatible refutation.

<plonk..again>

..

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/5/2012 11:03 PM, Martin Phipps wrote:

> On Nov 6, 9:26 am, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>> Supose 54%
>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>> that make it so?
>>
>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>> and weather.
>>
>>> ..
>>
>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>

> Junk Science = real science that Tom Gardner chooses to ignore

>
> Science is about making predictions and the science is only as good as
> its predictive value. Scientists have predicted stronger storms, a
> longer storm season, storms farther north and more flooding. Seems
> like pretty good science to me.
>

> Martin
>

Hmmm, it seems that you've never heard of the "Scientific Method"
either. Why am I not surprised?

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 6:52 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> Martin Phipps wrote:
>>

>> On Nov 6, 12:29 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:

>>> Martin Phipps wrote:
>>>
>>>> Science is about making predictions and the science is only as good as
>>>> its predictive value. Scientists have predicted stronger storms, a
>>>> longer storm season, storms farther north and more flooding. Seems
>>>> like pretty good science to me.
>>>

>>> Science is learning facts about how things work. You're talking
>>> Science Fiction.
>>
>> No, I'm not. You obviously aren't familiar with the scientific
>> method: you make an observation and from that observation you make a
>> prediction as to what will happen when you perform an experiment and
>> then you perform that experiment and compare your results to what was
>> predicted.
>
>
> A prediction? What a fool. You observe, measure & document. Then

> you propose a theory and attempt top prove or disprove it. You

> 'prediction' method gave us gems like 'Bumblebees can't fly, the math
> doesn't support it' and 'Heavier than air? It'll never get off the
> ground!'.
>
>
> What do you do for a living? I was an engineer.
>

It seems that leftists have changed the definition...they didn't like
the OLD definition.

[Tom Gardner]

Don't bother with Martin. It is a dead give-away when he misstates the
"Scientific Method". I have a good friend that is a Physicist of
Hawking caliber, retired as head of research at BP. In two years in the
private market he made MANY millions. He believes in climate change but
he says it's ridiculous to think that human activities have anything to
do with it, the "evidence" is pure bullshit, it's ALL about the money!

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 6:20 AM, trotsky wrote:

> On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>> Supose 54%
>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC.
>>>> does
>>>> that make it so?
>>>
>>>
>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>> and weather.
>>>
>>> ..
>>>
>>
>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>
>

> I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>

Good question, I have no idea. The only science background I have is
what I received while earning an advanced degree in ME, but that's much
more than most AGW advocates.

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 2:17 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Tue, 06 Nov 2012
> 06:52:46 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>> trotsky wrote:
>>> On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>>> Supose 54%
>>>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>>>> that make it so?
>>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>>> and weather.
>>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>>
>>> I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>>

>> Schools where liberals don't set the agenda.
>

> Home school, private school. For college level studies -
> Hillsdale College. It takes no (zero, zilch, none) Federal Dollars.
> Not the college, nor the students - that means no Pell grants, no VA
> benefits. They will work with you to find alternative sources of
> funding, but they are not giving the Feds any excuse to claim control.
> "He who pays the piper, calls the tune."
>
>
> tschus
> pyotr
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much
> as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History".
>

I never really realized that the private religious schools I attended
were any different that the public schools...until I did grad work at a
state U. Holy CRAP Batman! Those hallowed halls are lined with
radical, selfish little people worried about their little fiefdoms.

[Tom Gardner]

Resorting to Ad Hominid attacks? What does that do to your credibility?
Care to stop digging?

[Tom Gardner]

COOL! I, or one of my friends would like to audit your class. Please
send me the information.

[Tom Gardner]

Now that you retired, do you wonder how you ever had the time to go to work?

[Tom Gardner]

Oh my, that's a good one! I'm sure Mike is stinging now!

[Tom Gardner]

But---But---But, aren't you severely cowed by those stinging barbs?

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 8:25 AM, Gunner wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 05:20:04 -0600, trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>> Supose 54%
>>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>>> that make it so?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>> and weather.
>>>>
>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>
>>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>
>>
>> I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>
>

> Good ones. Unlike the Liberal Arts diploma factories you Lefties love.
>
> Gunner

...and people wonder why their graduate kid is still living in their
basement and eating all their chips.

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 4:17 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

> Haavad is the Old Mother Load of Liberal Studies. The Ivy League
> Colleges were the ones which first validated Orwell's observation that
> there are some ideas so preposterous that only a member of the
> "intelligentsia" would believe them.
> tschus
> pyotr
> --

Why is it that only liberals believe that education creates intelligence?

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 4:31 PM, Dano wrote:
> "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
> news:6mui98ddsteej47tc...@4ax.com...
>
> Taint necessarily the fact that they have a BA in English lit with
> a specialization in 16th C Elizabethan poetry - but that in the course
> of getting that degree, they learned nothing other than their opinion
> was just as good as anyone else's. They don't have to back up their
> opinions, just assert them. End of discussion.
>
> ====================================
>
> Thank you for proving the truth in that. Nicely demonstrated...leaving
> no doubt in what to do next about that. Welcome to my filter. Nothing
> more I can learn from YOU.

For some, that is a badge of honor. Please include me!

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 4:18 PM, Transition Zone wrote:

> No, they PREVENT stupidity. Get it right for once, OK??
>

Education equals intelligence!

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/6/2012 11:17 AM, Gray Guest wrote:
> trotsky <gms...@email.com> wrote in
> news:0tadnUHwjacEbwXN...@mchsi.com:
>
>> On 11/5/12 7:29 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
>>> cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote in
>>> news:i9WdnfOs2uAbrwXN...@supernews.com:

>>>
>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>> Supose 54% of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in
>>>>> Washington DC. does that make it so?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>> and weather.
>>>>
>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>> You need to go back to school to learn... something, anything.
>>
>>
>> That's a very helpful comment, Gray Goose.
>>
>>
>
> Get the ax out of your head. Than hit yourself with it again.
>


Come on now, the leftists have all the power now and must be respected.

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/5/2012 10:21 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
> "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in news:f7a8e88b-
> ec76-4a3f-948...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 2, 4:36 pm, totfit <tot...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:11:25 -0700, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazing. After reading the right wing wackos here, I was beginning
> to
>> think most
>>>> Americans really were the idiots Harry point out they are.
>>>
>>> Well, close to 50% fit the bill anyway.
>>
>> Just as long as most Americans are square with MAINSTREAM scientific
>> results.
>
> What results asshole?
>
> You have a very questionable theory and maybe 40 years of data that you
> have twisted into a socialist pretzel.
>
> How about the other 4.5 billion years ya dumb ass?
>

There was nobody to tax or request grants...so they don't count.

[Michael A. Terrell]

No cows, just horses. Who's Barb? ;-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Oh, yes! I almost fell off my chair when I fell asleep.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Why do they believe so many other things that are wrong?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Tom Gardner wrote:
>
> ...and people wonder why their graduate kid is still living in their
> basement and eating all their chips.

It's because they fed their kids leaded paint chips when they were
little, and told them it was candy.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Tom Gardner wrote:
>
> Come on now, the leftists have all the power now and must be respected.

That's like a chicken respecting Col Sanders.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Tom Gardner wrote:

>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > I had no choice, when my health failed. That doesn't mean that I
> > don't keep up with my field and still work with electronics. I just
> > miss the design & construction of equiipment for NASA, NOAA and a bunch
> > of other agencies. Some of the equipment went to universites, as well.
> > Telemetry used for medical research, and remote control of machines and
> > yes even military drones & medical ROBOTS!
>
> Now that you retired, do you wonder how you ever had the time to go to work?

Decades of 16 hour work days ruined my health. I now have about two
hours a day to get things done, just like when I was working. It was in
the low 60 range today, so I did some yard work. One weed I pulled up
was almost 1.5" diameter and a deep red. I've never seen anything like
it. OTOH, I didn't see any banana spiders this year, and only a few
dragon flies.

[Gunner]

Because thats what their masters told them to believe.

Useful Idiots....got to love em.

Gunner

--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I
became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.

Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have
a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.

The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans."
James Carvell, DNC operative

[Gunner]

Me me!!!

[Gunner]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only in the minds (such as they have) of Liberals.

[Gunner]

But do they have enough Kevlar and bullets?

[trotsky]

I think Gray Goose has some problems.

[BTR1701]

In article <6oCdnffwXKUWcQfN...@supernews.com>,
cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:

> On 07/11/2012 7:42 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:

> > Global warming? Maybe. AGW? an unproven conjecture stewed in
> > politics. Look up the "Scientific Method", try to understand it, then
> > get back to me. Otherwise you look foolish.
>
>
> I understand it fine.
>
> The only one that will look foolish is you when you try to explain to
> your kids why you were among those who choose to ignore the thousands of
> scientists and mountains of evidence because they didn't want their nice
> comfy life disrupted.
>
> You don't even know the difference between weather and climate. If you
> can't even figure that out then explaining to you how external forcings
> are necessary to increase CO2 from the natural interglacial high of
> 300-320 ppm is well beyond your comprehension.
>
> The fact that all you can spew is rhetoric is proof of that.

Oh, the irony. Let's look at some rhetoric, shall we? Hell, rhetoric is
being generous. More like a definite agenda and the propaganda to
support it.


"It doesn¹t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is
true."

--Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace



"We have to offer up scary scenarios... each of us has to decide the
right balance between being effective and being honest."

--Stephen Schneider, IPCC author



"Isn't the only hope for this planet the total collapse of industrial
civilisation? Is it not our responsibility to ensure that this collapse
happens?"

--Maurice Strong, UNEP Director



"We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of
global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing."

--Senator Tim Wirth, 1993 (now President of the United Nations
Foundation and Better World Fund)



"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony, climate change
provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in
the world."

--C. Stewart, Canadian Minister of the Environment.



And now you have nutbags like David Suzuki claiming that any politician
that opposes the AGW agenda should be imprisoned.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=290513

[pyotr filipivich]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 18:49:14 -0500 typed in

rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On 11/6/2012 2:17 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Tue, 06 Nov 2012
>> 06:52:46 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>> trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/12 7:26 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>>> On 11/5/2012 4:41 PM, cloud dreamer wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/11/2012 6:08 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>>>>> Who cares? Doesn't make it so. We don't vote on the temperature.
>>>>>>> Supose 54%
>>>>>>> of the people in Washington DC say it's 84F today in Washington DC. does
>>>>>>> that make it so?
>>>>>> You need to go back to school and learn the difference between climate
>>>>>> and weather.
>>>>>

>>>>> You should go back to school and learn the difference between Real
>>>>> Science and politically driven Junk Science.
>>>>
>>>> I think that's a good idea==which schools teach that?
>>>
>>> Schools where liberals don't set the agenda.
>>
>> Home school, private school. For college level studies -
>> Hillsdale College. It takes no (zero, zilch, none) Federal Dollars.
>> Not the college, nor the students - that means no Pell grants, no VA
>> benefits. They will work with you to find alternative sources of
>> funding, but they are not giving the Feds any excuse to claim control.
>> "He who pays the piper, calls the tune."
>>
>

>I never really realized that the private religious schools I attended
>were any different that the public schools...until I did grad work at a
>state U. Holy CRAP Batman! Those hallowed halls are lined with
>radical, selfish little people worried about their little fiefdoms.

Which wouldn't be so bad, if only what they knew, was true.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012
19:47:56 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>> Oh my, that's a good one! I'm sure Mike is stinging now!
>
> Oh, yes! I almost fell off my chair when I fell asleep.

One more reason for a decent high backed chair.

[pyotr filipivich]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:02:17 -0500 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On 11/6/2012 4:17 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
>> Haavad is the Old Mother Load of Liberal Studies. The Ivy League
>> Colleges were the ones which first validated Orwell's observation that
>> there are some ideas so preposterous that only a member of the
>> "intelligentsia" would believe them.
>

>Why is it that only liberals believe that education creates intelligence?

It isn't Passover, so why should today be any different?

Like I said - there are some ideas so preposterous, that only an
intellectual would believe them.

[pyotr filipivich]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:05:51 -0500 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Oh sorry, Dano's been in the bozo bin for a long time. Was I
suppose to take this post of his/her/its seriously? I mean, it is not
Passover, so why should today be any different than every other day?