Treat Chicago gangs as terrorists

[MattB .]

Treat Chicago gangs as terrorists

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/index.html

(CNN) -- You know things in Chicago are bad when 70 murders in the
first quarter can be seen as a good thing. But context is everything:
Last year at this time there had been more than 120 murders, so I
guess we should thank God for small favors.

It seems inconceivable that the city President Barack Obama calls home
is also the city where his family may be least safe. Just this Monday
a 15-year-old boy was found shot dead in a backyard only four blocks
from the president's house.

What's responsible for the bloodshed? Gang violence, as usual. Police
estimate that of the 532 murders in 2012 -- nearly 1.5 a day -- about
80 percent were gang related. And yet, despite that rather staggering
statistic, the national outcry is muted at best -- nothing, to say the
least, like the kind we saw last week in Boston. What is it about the
word "gang" that brings out the apathy in us? Would we view Chicago
differently if we called the perpetrators something else?

I'm not saying the people of Boston do not deserve our sympathy; they
do. Nor am I suggesting the apprehension of Boston terror suspect
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was not essential. But how do we explain our habit
of greeting terrorists with 24-hour news coverage and relentless wrath
while overlooking the gangs that terrorize our streets daily -- as if
terrorism were only an enemy state and not a concept.

The murder numbers may be slightly better in Chicago, but they do not
fully communicate the city's state of siege. In February CNN reported
that some children living in gang-ridden parts of the city carry guns
because, to them, getting caught and serving time for possession of a
gun is better than getting caught without one and dying.

Last month, city officials announced the closure of 54
"under-resourced" schools, which will force some kids to walk across
warring gang territory to get to school. For example, in the seven
blocks between George Manierre Elementary and Jenner Elementary there
are three gangs fighting over territory: Black P Stones, Conservative
Vice Lords and Gangster Disciples.

f it all sounds scary, it's only because it is.
And if the name attached to all of this violence were al-Qaeda instead
of Gangster Disciples; or if instead of "gang violence" the bloodshed
were called "terrorism;" or if instead of calling the people spreading
fear and mayhem gangs we were to call them what they really are --
terrorists -- the nation would demand more be done.

After all, if children are afraid to walk to school because they might
get killed or if residents are afraid to identify perpetrators for
fear of retaliation, I think it's safe to say they are being
terrorized.

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[John Doe]

You forever whine about the symptom without addressing the
disease. Forcing gender "equality" between ordinary people causes
dysfunctional families. As a result, many kids are growing up to
be criminals. It's not just Chicago. California prisons are
overflowing like dungeons. It's the result of social liberalism.
It's probably going to get worse since the best way to begin
reversing the damage be to revoke women's suffrage, and you know
that's not going to happen. Cannibal-left liberals won't allow it.
Even if ordinary women would voluntarily give up the right to
vote, the system probably wouldn't allow it.


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[Ron]

On Apr 24, 2:25 pm, MattB . <trdell1...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
> Treat Chicago gangs as terrorists
>

> http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/index...

> Morehttp://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/index...

The author of this, Ganderson, wrote:

"It seems inconceivable that the city President Barack Obama calls
home is also the city where his family may be least safe. Just this
Monday a 15-year-old boy was found shot dead in a backyard only four
blocks from the president's house."

This suggests a link between Obama and the Chicago gun deaths. An
exaggeration. Violence in Chicago is not a new phenomenon. Here is a
partial list by year of homicides in Chicago. How many were caused by
guns IS questionable, but linking Obama and Chicago homicides is
ridiculous.

1928: 399
1965: 395
1974: 970 - Pres. Nixon
1990: 851 - Pres. Reagan
1991: 927 - Pres. Bush
1992: 943 - Pres. Bush
1993: 855 - Pres. Clinton
1994: 931 - Pres. Clinton
1995: 828 - Pres. Clinton
1996: 796
1997: 761
1998: 704
1999: 643
2000: 633
2001: 667
2002: 656
2003: 601
2004: 453
2005: 451
2006: 471
2007: 448
2008: 513
2009: 459
2010: 436
2011: 435
2012: 506

It would seem that Nixon led the pack if you wish to link a particular
president with Chicago homicides.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

[Dänk 42Ø]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:25:28 -0700, MattB . wrote:

> Treat Chicago gangs as terrorists
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/opinion/granderson-chicago-terror/
index.html

> <snip>

I think treating Chicago gangs as "terrorists" is a bit extreme. They
are criminals, and it seems that the federal RICO law used to prosecute
organized crime is appropriate and sufficient.

When it comes to gun control, rightists who oppose it argue that existing
laws should be enforced before new laws are passed. Street gangs are
organized criminal syndicates, not much different from the Sicilian Mafia
(except so much less sophisticated), so RICO seems to apply, thus no new
laws are needed.

The reason RICO is never used against street gangs is because most gang
members are black. Sicilian mafia members are human beings, and although
they know what they are doing is illegal and sometimes unethical, they
are doing it for profit -- and profit is an understandable human trait.
Nobody -- especially their white liberal apologists -- expects African-
Americans to behave in a civilized manner -- killing one another for no
reason is just what they do.

Therefore, not only is the federal RICO law never used to prosecute
African-American street gangs, neither are state laws against the
specific crimes they commit. Oh, individual gang members are sometimes
arrested and prosecuted for crimes, but generally the approach promoted
by white liberals are various expensive social programs, with gang
members "diverted" into them after committing crimes as a condition of
receiving probation instead of imprisonment.

Y'see, the problem is that 'groes never learned how to behave, so it is
wrong to punish them for their misbehavior. Rather than arresting,
convicting, and imprisoning Tyrone for killing DeShawn (preventing him
from killing anyone else), Tyrone should be re-educated that murder is
bad, m'kay, then he won't do it again. Thus, countless "intervention"
programs consume public budgets, providing high-paying jobs for otherwise
useless white liberal arts majors (social work, psychology, sociology
etc.), while crimes by black street gangs continue to increase. Progress!

[Robert Fitzgerald]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:25:28 -0700, MattB . wrote:

I'd guess, a majority of murders in Chicago are drug gang murders, and
probably have characteristics that make them predictable and preventable/
deterable. I don't know what all those are, but it's like any business -
they function in certain ways and if you learn what those are...

McDonalds and Walmart do legal stuff, and trying to mess with their
business puts you on the wrong side of the law, but puts you on the right
side (particularly if you are the government) if you mess with drug
selling gangs and indviduals.. Who are the ones probably doing well over
half the shootings in Chicago..

Maybe, 90% or something..

So, not too suprising they could stop a lot of it. Just cameras in the
right place (as I've suggested) could do a lot..

The gangs/etc. know their time is coming to a close, and they need to
move to less violent ways.. Selling by word of mouth, by cellphone, by
smartphone. As has been done in suburbs for many years..

One reason gun violence is down for years.. technology makes it harder to
sell on streets..

Victims having guns helps too, although at the same time admittedly guns
can encourage some violence too... people can steal them, and individuasl
can have mistakes happen, or domestic disputes, get drunk, etc..

Most of it is drug stuff though, IMO..

The rest can be helped by better training, some people not having guns,
realizing not a good choice for them, others who it is a good choice for
having them, protecting others... Guns can be good, or bad.. Dogs,
same..

Eventually, robots will probably do it all.. I don't know how that'll
work out, beyond my pay grade to analyze..





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Bobby

[good progressive]

Hopefully, our communist peoples' forces will control the programming
of the robots so that we can keep the peoples from drinking coke.. etc.



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Progress!

[Gronk]

They've caused more harm and fear than any gang.