has O been swiftboated?

[cicero venatio]

There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
the Presidency.

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:16:22 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio
><jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>>nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden.
>

>Nixon knew what he was doing hiring the original people that ended up
>doing the same thing in the 90's, 00's and now, eh FILEDUD.

Swiftboating (v): To tell the truth about a DemocRat.

[Moder@tor]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazz...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Haven't seen the ad and doubt it exists as you state. There has been a veteran
group that did an ad, but one featuring the team that killed bin Laden? I don't
think so. Another drunken rant from the La Brea Tar Pits monster.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 21, 6:18 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>

http://www.opsecteam.org/

[yogurt spank]

On 8/20/2012 10:16 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> Not surprising




Gary 'Yoorgloon" Roselles -- left-wing sociopath and author of the
following “views” on race, homosexuality and killing government
officials and teenage girls:

"She (Katherine Harris) should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/9448fa9e79d03c83?dmode=source

"I call Kathering[sic] Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue
whore. 
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

“May a real american someday have the honor of putting a bullet
between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles on B. Robertson's teenage
daughter.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/346a12114c9884ee?hl=en&dmode=source

What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African-
American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never
having 
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/652f875e53203e8e?hl=en&

"Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles on the
importance 
of Race Loyalty

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/90646e9b4da37793

"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people
is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles,
Racist

“Bush’s Uncle Tom Cabinet A Good Move For GOP” – Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/1b116fa0999182fb
(see header)

"Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/421a0f9263435ca4
(see header)

"He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own
kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them
blacks” should "stick 
to their own kind"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/17fcf97abe2e4ee2?dmode=source

"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary
Roselles 
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/3bdf04c3586323ed?dmode=source

"Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon"
-- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/d9ccfefc35328516?dmode=source
(see header)

"Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically
mocks and 
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee
Peterson

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/ecc4d1339f7a1c79?hl=en&dmode=source

"How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make
judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial
slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/67c195d05ad55e39?hl=en&dmode=source

"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
inspired emotion."

"Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl" -- Pure,
venomous hate-speech from "god-inspired" whackjob Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
socialist." -- Gary Roselles, “f”-bomb droppin’ rabid homophobe

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.conservatism/msg/d2ab5e412f7ed8e7?dmode=source

"You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
copulation on a child

http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?as_ums

[Moder@tor]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

So private citizens with an opinion. Big Deal! From your own cite:

Use of military ranks, titles & photographs in uniform does not imply
endorsement of the Dept of the Army or the Department of Defense.
All individuals are no longer on active service with any federal agency or
military service.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 21, 8:04 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

So what you are saying is that when there is a coup *THEN* you'll
agree the military has a point about putting our brave warriors at
risk to further the President's political ambitions?

[Moder@tor]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 21, 8:04锟絘m, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>> >On Aug 21, 6:18锟絘m, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had

>> >> >nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. 锟終ind of reminds me of
>> >> >when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. 锟絀f

>> >> >Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>> >> >the Presidency.
>>
>> >> Haven't seen the ad and doubt it exists as you state. There has been a veteran
>> >> group that did an ad, but one featuring the team that killed bin Laden? I don't
>> >> think so. Another drunken rant from the La Brea Tar Pits monster.
>>
>> >http://www.opsecteam.org/
>>
>> So private citizens with an opinion. Big Deal! From your own cite:
>>
>> Use of military ranks, titles & photographs in uniform does not imply
>> endorsement of the Dept of the Army or the Department of Defense.
>> All individuals are no longer on active service with any federal agency or
>> military service.
>
>So what you are saying is that when there is a coup *THEN* you'll
>agree the military has a point about putting our brave warriors at
>risk to further the President's political ambitions?

No, what I am saying is that the web site is a phony. Has nothing to do with
Seal Team 6 or its members, or the military or the government. Just a bunch of
bozos with an opinion. Typical Right Wing BS. That is what I am saying. Try
coming up with a cite for the Seal Team 6. You can't.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 21, 9:54 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 21, 8:04 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>

> >> >On Aug 21, 6:18 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had

> >> >> >nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
> >> >> >when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If

> >> >> >Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
> >> >> >the Presidency.
>
> >> >> Haven't seen the ad and doubt it exists as you state. There has been a veteran
> >> >> group that did an ad, but one featuring the team that killed bin Laden? I don't
> >> >> think so. Another drunken rant from the La Brea Tar Pits monster.
>
> >> >http://www.opsecteam.org/
>
> >> So private citizens with an opinion. Big Deal! From your own cite:
>
> >> Use of military ranks, titles & photographs in uniform does not imply
> >> endorsement of the Dept of the Army or the Department of Defense.
> >> All individuals are no longer on active service with any federal agency or
> >> military service.
>
> >So what you are saying is that when there is a coup *THEN* you'll
> >agree the military has a point about putting our brave warriors at
> >risk to further the President's political ambitions?
>
> No, what I am saying is that the web site is a phony. Has nothing to do with
> Seal Team 6 or its members, or the military or the government. Just a bunch of
> bozos with an opinion.

Scott Taylor was a Navy Seal. Why don't you say that to his face?

> Typical Right Wing BS. That is what I am saying. Try
> coming up with a cite for the Seal Team 6. You can't.

I don't know what Seal team he was on. I would suspect we won't hear
from the current Seal Team 6 until after they are discharged when
Obama is nothing more than a bad memory.

[Moder@tor]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

His name isn't on the phony web site. That's why. No one involved with that half
assed organization has the balls to put their name on the site.

>
>> Typical Right Wing BS. That is what I am saying. Try
>> coming up with a cite for the Seal Team 6. You can't.
>
>I don't know what Seal team he was on. I would suspect we won't hear
>from the current Seal Team 6 until after they are discharged when
>Obama is nothing more than a bad memory.

You won't hear from the Seal Team 6 at all, asshole. There isn't a cite from
them, and there won't be. You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
the election.

[packet drop]

On 8/21/2012 10:54 AM, Moder@tor wrote:
> No, what I am saying is that the web site is a phony. Has nothing to do with
> Seal Team 6 or its members,

You're lying turd, Obama "Plame'd" the SEALs, and they're not amused.

[packet drop]

On 8/21/2012 1:00 PM, Moder@tor wrote:
> No one involved with that half
> assed organization has the balls to put their name on the site.

Oh I can't imagine that this is going to go well for you, Armenian
chicken-choker.


Those guys play for keeps.

[yogurt spank]

On 8/21/2012 1:19 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> Never was any truth

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 21, 12:00 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

Awwww.... Too bad you lose:

http://politicker.com/2012/07/former-navy-seal-launches-pac-to-fight-obama/

> There isn't a cite from
> them, and there won't be.

What Seal Team was Taylor on? What seal team was Ben Smith on?:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/special-ops-group-attacks-obama-bin-laden-boasts/story?id=17011775

They are on the team of American heros who want Barry Hussein out of
office because he is putting our troops in danger.

> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
> the election.

Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
up.

Too bad. So sad.

[Moder@tor]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

LMAO. former.....

>> There isn't a cite from
>> them, and there won't be.
>
>What Seal Team was Taylor on? What seal team was Ben Smith on?:
>http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/special-ops-group-attacks-obama-bin-laden-boasts/story?id=17011775
>
>They are on the team of American heros who want Barry Hussein out of
>office because he is putting our troops in danger.

None of them currently serving. As I said, a bunch of sour old farts using their
former status. Is that not just as shameful?

>
>> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
>> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
>> the election.
>
>Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
>of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
>up.
>
>Too bad. So sad.

Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.

[Eddie Haskell]

"Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote in message
news:gar7389f1018jvok8...@4ax.com...

No, it's not, and you lost the argument several exchanges ago so shut up
about it.

-Eddie Haskell

[packet drop]

On 8/21/2012 2:21 PM, Moder@tor wrote:
>> They are on the team of American heros who want Barry Hussein out of
>> >office because he is putting our troops in danger.
> None of them currently serving.

That must mean they were never SEALs, yeah?

I seem to remember some of the Skerry Monster's ex-shipmates also were
"not currently serving" when they reminded us what he was.

Patriots are patriots even after they serve.

[packet drop]

On 8/21/2012 1:47 PM, Yer Pal Al wrote:
> On Aug 21, 12:00 pm, "Moder@tor"<Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al<caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 9:54 am, "Moder@tor"<Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al<caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Aug 21, 8:04 am, "Moder@tor"<Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al<caddyshack...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 21, 6:18 am, "Moder@tor"<Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio<jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
>>>>>>>>> when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
>>>>>>>>> Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>>>>>>>>> the Presidency.
>>
>>>>>>>> Haven't seen the ad and doubt it exists as you state. There has been a veteran
>>>>>>>> group that did an ad, but one featuring the team that killed bin Laden? I don't
>>>>>>>> think so. Another drunken rant from the La Brea Tar Pits monster.
>>
>>>>>>> http://www.opsecteam.org/
>>
>>>>>> So private citizens with an opinion. Big Deal! From your own cite:
>>

>>>>>> Use of military ranks, titles& photographs in uniform does not imply

Chicago dogs cost mo' money now I hear...

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 21, 1:21 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

> >http://politicker.com/2012/07/former-navy-seal-launches-pac-to-fight-...

>
> LMAO. former.....
>
> >> There isn't a cite from
> >> them, and there won't be.
>
> >What Seal Team was Taylor on? What seal team was Ben Smith on?:

> >http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/special-ops-group-attacks-obama-b...

>
> >They are on the team of American heros who want Barry Hussein out of
> >office because he is putting our troops in danger.
>
> None of them currently serving. As I said, a bunch of sour old farts using their
> former status. Is that not just as shameful?

You are moving the goal posts again so that it has to be a military
coup before you will agree that the President is wrong in what he is
doing.

> >> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
> >> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
> >> the election.
>
> >Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
> >of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
> >up.
>
> >Too bad. So sad.
>
> Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.

We can play it out right now. It's November 7th and Obama has soundly
beat Romney - even in Utah and the press has never seen a drubbing
like this before and Romney will forever be known as the worse
candidate ever and will forever be a national joke. You make a post
telling me how dumb I am. What a loser I am and throw in bunch of
taunts and one-liners that has all the liberals laughing.

My reply:

Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?dmode=source

[yogurt spank]

On 8/21/2012 8:39 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> Hmm?

[Moder@tor]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Absolutely not. Sissyro made the claim that "There is an independent ad

featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had nothing to do with killing Osama Bin

Laden." I called him on it for a cite and your provided one that was phony and
had nothing to do with Seal Team 6. So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay
on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.

>
>> >> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
>> >> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
>> >> the election.
>>
>> >Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
>> >of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
>> >up.
>>
>> >Too bad. So sad.
>>
>> Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.
>
>We can play it out right now. It's November 7th and Obama has soundly
>beat Romney - even in Utah and the press has never seen a drubbing
>like this before and Romney will forever be known as the worse
>candidate ever and will forever be a national joke. You make a post
>telling me how dumb I am. What a loser I am and throw in bunch of
>taunts and one-liners that has all the liberals laughing.

Can't possibly imagine a landslide victory, but go ahead with your wet dream
fantasy....

>My reply:
>
>Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
>too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?
>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?dmode=source

Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name online is a
fools game. Besides, I am not a betting man and it would never cross my mind to
bet on the winner of a US presidential race. If such things get you off, you
should visit Vegas, there you can even bet if the sun will come up tomorrow.

[Moder@tor]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazz...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Seems that all of the charges that these supposed former military guys are
making are suspect:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/index.html

Bergen is probably the only journalist who can speak with authority on the
subject, having been the only one to visit the Abbottabad complex. He makes a
pretty clear case that the charges are all BS. No real surprise there from the
slimy Right who will do anything legal or not to get the oval office. And they
want us to believe that they are the best option? Laughable.

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:19:04 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>Never was any truth
>
>Or, didn't you know that a public figure cannot sue for slander (very
>easily), and that anyone can make a false accusation, (even under
>oath), up to being examined on a witness stand, under oath, with
>penalty for perjury?

'ceptin' it ~was~ the truth, and it kept a despicable lying 'Rat out
of the Offal Office.

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

Pull up your pants - your denial is showing.

Campaign Obama: Division, Diversion, Deception.

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

Nah. He isn't worth the paperwork.

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

"Former"? That's ~all~ you got? Wow...

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

Too bad. He really could have used that money in his new Obaman
utopia. Too bad he's left selling his body for scraps...

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:39:29 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>dumb fuckwit

Gary's .sigs just keep on rollin'!

[342 murdered in Obama's 'organized communities']

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:12:00 +0200, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazz...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>>nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
>>when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
>>Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>>the Presidency.
>
>Seems that all of the charges that these supposed former military guys are
>making are suspect:
>
>http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/index.html

Wow. An honest-to-gosh CNN opinion! Guess you showed us!

>Bergen is probably the only journalist who can speak with authority on the
>subject, having been the only one to visit the Abbottabad complex.

Bet he even has the t-shirt!

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:05:36 -0700, 342 murdered in Obama's 'organized
communities' <Charlie...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:12:00 +0200, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazz...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>>>nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
>>>when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
>>>Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>>>the Presidency.
>>
>>Seems that all of the charges that these supposed former military guys are
>>making are suspect:
>>
>>http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/index.html
>
>Wow. An honest-to-gosh CNN opinion! Guess you showed us!

Can't refute it? Thought so. Loser.

[Moder@tor]

So where are all of those Seal Team 6 members then? Seems your stupidity is
showing (still).
>
>Campaign Obama: Decisive, Deft, Dedicated

Yep!.

[Moder@tor]

Spammy will dance for you if you give him some kibble.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dr-2WjWQtjE/THmd8F8fMEI/AAAAAAAACtU/1KaDoNAnHKA/s1600/IMG_1172.jpg

[Eddie Haskell]

"Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Hi6Zr.10319$mW2....@fed16.iad...
>
> On 20-Aug-2012, cicero venatio <jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.elections:

>
>> There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>> nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
>> when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
>> Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>> the Presidency.
>

> Seal Team 6 wouldn't even exist without being authorized by President
> Obama.
> People who are on such teams need to learn to keep their mouths shut about
> classified missions.

He enjoys showing us what an idiot he is, folks.

"A fetus is not alive until it takes its first breath."

-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, February 21,
2012 1:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"If tobacco caused cancer then everyone who has ever smoked tobacco would
have developed cancer "

-Kirby Grant, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Every Republican president in this century was placed in office through
voter fraud."

-Kirby Grant, Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"I voted for the person who became president. Therefore it was the correct
vote."

-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Although it is more polite to just say "menally challenged" these days."

-Kirby Grant, Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"All churches are racist hate churches""

-Kirby Grant, Friday, March 09, 2012 12:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

Eddie Haskell: At any rate, you obviously believe that he [Hussein] was born
in the US.

Kirby Grant: I don't believe that at all. I know that he was born in Hawaii.

-Monday, December 12, 2011 3:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"I don't believe things. I operate without beliefs."

-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 12, 2011 2:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Beliefs are not based on facts or experience."

-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:46 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Believe what you want. Beliefs are for fools and pathetic snots like
yourself."

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"I am perfectly capable of living without beliefs. "

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"I told you a long time ago I do not "believe" things. That is something
that weak-minded people do. "

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"The original message was about Sarah "I can see Russia from my front door"
Palin."

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:34 PM

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110608094524AAnEDin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Only fringe loonies listen."

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"I voted for President Obama because he was the most qualified individual
who ran for president in 2008. "

-Kirby Grant, Friday, July 22, 2011 3:13 PM

"That's ridiculous. Of course he received congressional approval. He issued
an executive order."

-Kirby Grant, Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"I don't have any beliefs at all, except that I believe I'll have another
diet coke since I'm thirsty. Beliefs are for those who don't have
knowledge."

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

In fact, Dubya wasn't actually a natural born citizen - his mother gave
birth to him via C-section. Which means he was not born naturally.

-Kirby Grant, Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"About the only thing noteworthy about 9/11 is that NYC got a hole in the
ground that has been far more profitable for the city than the buildings
that used to exist on that spot. Generally it can be said that they are
fairly satisfied with the overall results over the past decade. They
couldn't have done better unless they had planned it
themselves."

-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:06 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Obama will be re-elected. By a very comfortable margin."

-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"How is it possible that you are just one person and yet you have more
ignorance 'then' a thousand men?"

-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:47 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Of course I have a brand in this fire because I had been married to an
immoral slut who I didn't realize was banging half the guys in town whenever
I was away on a business trip and that was often several times a month."

-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"As a matter of fact, yes. I am a historian. Not that you would have ever
read my materials - which were written under a different identity."

-Kirby Grant,Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Given the latest announcement by the WHO regarding cell phone usage and
brain cancer, I'm betting Republicans won't be smart enough to decrease
their cell phone usage."

-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Being BORN on either the north American or South American continent or the
Latin America in between the north american and south american continent
more or less conveys the status of being an American."

-Kirby Grant, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"You see, we have plenty of confusion on the Democratic side as well, but we
know better 'then' to start having splinter groups. "

-Kirby Grant, Monday, July 18, 2011 1:29 PM

"Again with the vast ignorance. I was wrong - you have more ignorance 'then'
ten thousand other men."

-Kirby Grant, Friday, June 03, 2011 10:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"I know better 'then' to address a letter to the president."

-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"People who have never served have no right at all to comment on how
military operations are performed."

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:27 PM

Haskell: The democrats oppose school choice on behalf of the NEA because
they don't want the competition.

Grant: The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) doesn't do any of what you
just claimed.

-Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:42 PM

"Liberals have been winning in this country for well over 200 years"

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM

"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited
government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of
individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and
free markets"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

"For starters, liberal and liberalism are two different ideas."

-Kirby Grant, Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:23 AM

Eddie Haskell: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Kirby Grant: Like all other stupid conservatives, you live in sound bite
hell. Your first sentence is not true and has never been true. It only
exists as a sound bite because it sounds clever. But is is totally outside
proof.

-Kirby Grant, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:38 PM

"Classical liberalism simply does not apply any longer. It is part of the
myths that float around in that infantile mind you possess. It describe
something that exist some time in the past, but which has been superceded by
post-modernism."

-Kirby Grant, Monday, December 19, 2011 8:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

"Beware of anyone who writes about "postmodernism". "

-Kirby Grant, Monday, July 09, 2012 3:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rav9ijyyZk

-Eddie Haskell

[packet drop]

On 8/21/2012 11:51 PM, Moder@tor wrote:

> Can't possibly imagine a landslide victory,

Almost all of my friends are Democrats; all of them voted for Barack
Obama in 2008.

Ask them these days, as I have, if they plan to vote for Obama this
November, and they’ll give you an “Oh shucks” sad smile, look down, look
back up with guilty eyes and say “I’m disappointed.”


Read more:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/time_for_democrats_for_romney_AUZ6cjhzmQwugmwm4pEt6J#ixzz24CDWN1mE

> Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name online is a
> fools game.

And a fool you are.

> Besides, I am not a betting man

Iow = coward.

> and it would never cross my mind to
> bet on the winner of a US presidential race.

But it would cross your "mind" to muzzle the press on election day, you
disgusting FASCIST Armenian chicken-choker!

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 7:43 AM, Moder@tor wrote:
> So where are all of those Seal Team 6 members then?

Some are now DEAD after Obama outed them...


Obama ID'd the team by name - never happened before.

He gave us intimate details of the operation - never happened before.

And within months after a copter full of Seal Team 6 members were
rocket-attacked over Afghanistan and killed.

Obama COMPROMISED the safety of the SEALs as never before and may be
personally responsible for their subsequent deaths.

You fucking traitorous Armenian chicken-choker!

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 12:12 AM, Moder@tor wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio<jazz...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>> nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
>> when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
>> Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>> the Presidency.
>
> Seems that all of the charges that these supposed former military guys are
> making are suspect:

Nope.

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 7:34 AM, Moder@tor wrote:
>> Wow. An honest-to-gosh CNN opinion! Guess you showed us!
> Can't refute it? Thought so. Loser.

[packet drop]

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 8:47 AM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> On 20-Aug-2012, cicero venatio<jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.elections:
>

>> There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>> nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
>> when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
>> Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>> the Presidency.
>

> Seal Team 6 wouldn't even exist without being authorized by President Obama.

That's also a lie.

They existed and were authorized pre-Obama, death threat maker.

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:13:39 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:36:35 -0600, packet drop <U...@S.PL> wrote:
>
>>And within months after a copter full of Seal Team 6 members were
>>rocket-attacked over Afghanistan and killed.
>

>Fallacy argument
>
>No such evidence exists to supporty ANY claim the two have logical
>connections

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 10:12 AM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> More

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 10:13 AM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> What more do you want?

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 10:13 AM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> Fallacy

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 10:20 AM, Moder@tor wrote:


Obama ID'd the team by name - never happened before.

He gave us intimate details of the operation - never happened before.

And within months after a copter full of Seal Team 6 members were
rocket-attacked over Afghanistan and killed.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 21, 1:21 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>

> >> >On Aug 21, 12:00 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>

> >> >> >On Aug 21, 9:54 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>

> >> >> >> >On Aug 21, 8:04 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >On Aug 21, 6:18 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
> >> >> >> >> >> >nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
> >> >> >> >> >> >when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
> >> >> >> >> >> >Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
> >> >> >> >> >> >the Presidency.
>

> >> >> >> >> >> Haven't seen the ad and doubt it exists as you state. There has been a veteran
> >> >> >> >> >> group that did an ad, but one featuring the team that killed bin Laden? I don't
> >> >> >> >> >> think so. Another drunken rant from the La Brea Tar Pits monster.
>
> >> >> >> >> >http://www.opsecteam.org/
>
> >> >> >> >> So private citizens with an opinion. Big Deal! From your own cite:
>
> >> >> >> >> Use of military ranks, titles & photographs in uniform does not imply
> >> >> >> >> endorsement of the Dept of the Army or the Department of Defense.
> >> >> >> >> All individuals are no longer on active service with any federal agency or
> >> >> >> >> military service.
>

> >> >> >> >So what you are saying is that when there is a coup *THEN* you'll
> >> >> >> >agree the military has a point about putting our brave warriors at
> >> >> >> >risk to further the President's political ambitions?
>
> >> >> >> No, what I am saying is that the web site is a phony. Has nothing to do with
> >> >> >> Seal Team 6 or its members, or the military or the government. Just a bunch of
> >> >> >> bozos with an opinion.
>
> >> >> >Scott Taylor was a Navy Seal. Why don't you say that to his face?
>

> >> >> His name isn't on the phony web site. That's why. No one involved with that half

> >> >> assed organization has the balls to put their name on the site.
>

> >> >> >> Typical Right Wing BS. That is what I am saying. Try
> >> >> >> coming up with a cite for the Seal Team 6. You can't.
>
> >> >> >I don't know what Seal team he was on. I would suspect we won't hear
> >> >> >from the current Seal Team 6 until after they are discharged when
> >> >> >Obama is nothing more than a bad memory.
>
> >> >> You won't hear from the Seal Team 6 at all, asshole.
>
> >> >Awwww.... Too bad you lose:
>
> >> >http://politicker.com/2012/07/former-navy-seal-launches-pac-to-fight-...
>
> >> LMAO. former.....
>
> >> >> There isn't a cite from
> >> >> them, and there won't be.
>
> >> >What Seal Team was Taylor on? What seal team was Ben Smith on?:
> >> >http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/special-ops-group-attacks-obama-b...
>
> >> >They are on the team of American heros who want Barry Hussein out of
> >> >office because he is putting our troops in danger.
>
> >> None of them currently serving. As I said, a bunch of sour old farts using their
> >> former status. Is that not just as shameful?
>
> >You are moving the goal posts again so that it has to be a military
> >coup before you will agree that the President is wrong in what he is
> >doing.
>

> Absolutely not. Sissyro made the claim that "There is an independent ad

> featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had nothing to do with killing Osama Bin

> Laden." I called him on it for a cite and your provided one that was phony and
> had nothing to do with Seal Team 6.

The ad shows how President Obama exposed Seal Team 6 and has put them
personally at risk. David McCullough wrote a book on John Adams. Was
that a fake too?

> So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay
> on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.

Current military is obligated to keep their mouths closed about the
President otherwise they will be discharged. If current military
personnel ganged up to overthrow the President that would be a coup.
The ad features former Navy Seals, former CIA operatives and other
special forces who are saying that BO's politically motivated "leaks"
put current personnel at risk.

It seems you want the current Seal Team to betray the President
otherwise it’s meaningless.

*NEWS FLASH*

The intelligence community and the military does not like liberals
because liberals put our country and them personally at risk. Deal.

> >> >> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
> >> >> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
> >> >> the election.
>
> >> >Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
> >> >of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
> >> >up.
>
> >> >Too bad. So sad.
>
> >> Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.
>
> >We can play it out right now. It's November 7th and Obama has soundly
> >beat Romney - even in Utah and the press has never seen a drubbing
> >like this before and Romney will forever be known as the worse
> >candidate ever and will forever be a national joke. You make a post
> >telling me how dumb I am. What a loser I am and throw in bunch of
> >taunts and one-liners that has all the liberals laughing.
>

> Can't possibly imagine a landslide victory, but go ahead with your wet dream
> fantasy....

Wouldn't that be the best thing for Democrats?

> >My reply:
>
> >Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
> >too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?

> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?...

>
> Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name online is a
> fools game.

OK then, dont' be a fool. Post your real name and address, right...

...Here----->

> Besides, I am not a betting man and it would never cross my mind to

> bet on the winner of a US presidential race.

You'll bluster about about how BO is the better candidate and how bad
Romney is but won't put a paltry $20 on the line. Which is definition
of, "All wind and no sail."

> If such things get you off, you
> should visit Vegas, there you can even bet if the sun will come up tomorrow.

I don't gamble. Just offering a friendly wager which amounts to little
more than a "lunch of congratulations" or "a little something for a
charity" and some crowing rights. But more than that it's an
opportunity for the loser to show that they have some character. I'm
2:0 and neither liberal I've had these wagers with in the last 12
years has paid up. I would be surprised if you did.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 21, 11:12 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
> >nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden.  Kind of reminds me of
> >when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward.  If
> >Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
> >the Presidency.
>

> Seems that all of the charges that these supposed former military guys are
> making are suspect:
>

> http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/ind...

>
> Bergen is probably the only journalist who can speak with authority on the

> subject, having been the only one to visit the Abbottabad complex. He makes a
> pretty clear case that the charges are all BS. No real surprise there from the
> slimy Right who will do anything legal or not to get the oval office. And they
> want us to believe that they are the best option?

Here's who Peter Bergen and the New America Foundation are:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7616

Here is what happens when you stop reporting news and start promoting
a political party:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-28/news/32461227_1_cnn-ratings-msnbc-anderson-cooper

> Laughable.

Indeed.

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Which Peter Bergen pretty much blew out of the water. So much for a bunch of
wannabes trying to Swift Boat Obama. Ain't gonna happen.

>David McCullough wrote a book on John Adams. Was
>that a fake too?
>
>> So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay
>> on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.
>
>Current military is obligated to keep their mouths closed about the
>President otherwise they will be discharged. If current military
>personnel ganged up to overthrow the President that would be a coup.

That isn't just current military, it has been a rule forever. Don't speak bad
about the commander-in-chief. That's why the Seal Team 6 would not be in any ad,
stupid.

>The ad features former Navy Seals, former CIA operatives and other
>special forces who are saying that BO's politically motivated "leaks"
>put current personnel at risk.

None of which seem to have the balls to list their names on that phony web site.
Might as well be Usenet and Spammy.

>It seems you want the current Seal Team to betray the President
>otherwise it�s meaningless.

Sissyro was the one who made the claim that Seal Team 6 was featured in a new
ad, not me. And you posted the link to the phony web site. I've maintained all
along it is all BS.

>*NEWS FLASH*
>
>The intelligence community and the military does not like liberals
>because liberals put our country and them personally at risk. Deal.

Gee, tell Panetta that.

>> >> >> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
>> >> >> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
>> >> >> the election.
>>
>> >> >Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
>> >> >of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
>> >> >up.
>>
>> >> >Too bad. So sad.
>>
>> >> Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.
>>
>> >We can play it out right now. It's November 7th and Obama has soundly
>> >beat Romney - even in Utah and the press has never seen a drubbing
>> >like this before and Romney will forever be known as the worse
>> >candidate ever and will forever be a national joke. You make a post
>> >telling me how dumb I am. What a loser I am and throw in bunch of
>> >taunts and one-liners that has all the liberals laughing.
>>
>> Can't possibly imagine a landslide victory, but go ahead with your wet dream
>> fantasy....
>
>Wouldn't that be the best thing for Democrats?

I wouldn't really care. I vote for the best of the two candidates. Right now
that is Obama. I was considering Romney until the surface was scratched and
there was only shit underneath.

>> >My reply:
>>
>> >Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
>> >too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?...
>>
>> Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name online is a
>> fools game.
>
>OK then, dont' be a fool. Post your real name and address, right...
>
>...Here----->
>
>> Besides, I am not a betting man and it would never cross my mind to
>> bet on the winner of a US presidential race.
>
>You'll bluster about about how BO is the better candidate and how bad
>Romney is but won't put a paltry $20 on the line. Which is definition
>of, "All wind and no sail."

I've got way better things to do with my hard earned money than bet with some
Usenet asshole who thinks he's God.

>> If such things get you off, you
>> should visit Vegas, there you can even bet if the sun will come up tomorrow.
>
>I don't gamble.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! What a fucking hypocrite. You offered to bet me. You're a
worthless asshole, Al.

>Just offering a friendly wager which amounts to little
>more than a "lunch of congratulations" or "a little something for a
>charity" and some crowing rights. But more than that it's an
>opportunity for the loser to show that they have some character. I'm
>2:0 and neither liberal I've had these wagers with in the last 12
>years has paid up. I would be surprised if you did.

Since I won't bet with you, you will never know, will you? And I ain't a lib.

[packet drop]

Obama talked and then:



http://abcnews.go.com/International/nato-crash-team-seal-members-killed-afghanistan/story?id=14249189#shine
3

American communities are mourning the loss of 30 U.S. troops who were
killed when Afghan insurgents shot down a helicopter carrying the most
elite forces in the US military -- Navy SEALs -- along with Air Force
and Army personnel, U.S. officials said.

Saturday's crash occurred near a Taliban stronghold in Wardak province
in Afghanistan.

On board the Chinook helicopter there were 30 Americans -- including 22
SEALs -- as well as eight Afghans and a dog trained specifically for
special operations.

U.S. forces were engaged in a firefight on the ground and the helicopter
was on its way to help, when it was shot down probably by a rocket
propelled grenade, U.S. officials said.

Most of the 22 SEALs were part of SEAL Team 6, the heroic unit that
carried out the raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound in May, though none
of those who actually took part in that raid were believed to be on the
helicopter.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/3-questions-about-the-seal-team-six-helicopter-crash

Was it a coincidence that SEAL Team Six was on board?

DevGru is an emblem of U.S. military power, known worldwide. This crash
is incredibly demoralizing. Could an enemy have specifically targeted
the U.S. special forces team that took down bin Laden? It's certainly
possible. Just last week the Afghans arrested an Army officer for aiding
Taliban suicide bombers through checkpoints, and doing so under employ
by Pakistan.

Special forces are very selective on who they partner with, but any
collaboration with Afghans opens up U.S. Forces to the threat of spying.
Several Afghans were on board and were killed, but trust is in short
supply in Afghanistan. Add in the fact that more sophisticated foreign
intelligence agents are on the ground, with signals intelligence assets
and deep pockets, and you have a recipe for a plot.


http://www.infowars.com/deaths-of-seal-team-6-exposed/

August 6, 2011

Associated Press sources are reporting a statistically impossible
tragedy for U.S. forces in Afghanistan– that of the 38 NATO forces
killed in a helicopter crash Friday night, “more than 20″ were members
of SEAL Team 6, the covert unit that took credit for killing Osama bin
Laden in May.

Mainstream sources are seizing upon claims that the Taliban took credit
for downing the helicopter, but that means nothing. Media instantly ran
reports that al Qaeda was responsible for the bombing & shootings in
Norway; moreover, anyone on a message board can make such claims.

Instead, Alex Jones predicted shortly after the raid on bin Laden’s
compound that SEALs would soon be reported dead in a helicopter crash or
staged incident following multiple reports from military sources who’ve
proved accurate in the past, including on-air callers, that SEALs did
indeed die during the raid. Official stories admitted after-the-fact
that a helicopter went down during the mission, but claimed there were
no deaths of U.S. forces.


Infowars is on the record reporting that members of Seal Team 6 died in
the so called OBL raid. The government admits that a super secret
helicopter did crash during the OBL raid but says no one died, our intel
is different. We predicted that the spin doctors would stage a crash or
when a real crash took place that they would say the SEALs died then.
This is a old trick that governments all over the world have been caught
pulling in the past. Some speculate that Obama had the team killed to
cover up what really happened; however our intel does not point that
way. The Pentagon may have blown the helicopter up on the ground on the
night of the raid and we cover that in the above video. Lastly the
globalist MSM is reporting that terrorist have taken credit but that is
notoriously filled with disinfo, like in the Norway attack when a fake
terrorist group took credit and the media ran with it.



According to the sources, military personnel internally admit to the
SEAL deaths, however it was not clear whether it had been the result of
an accidental crash, from a firefight with Pakistani military forces
stationed only a short distance from the compound, or whether, as
Pakistani eyewitnesses indicated (below), the helicopter exploded after
covert forces entered.

Whatever the true story, one thing is clear: dead men tell no tales. The
inconvenient truth is that governments throughout history have disposed
of heroes, covert troops and special forces to keep the real story from
coming out. Helicopter and plane crashes have been one of the favorite
methods for tying up these loose ends.

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 10:13 AM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:35:49 -0600, packet drop<U...@S.PL> wrote:
>
>> Obama ID'd the team by name - never happened before.
>

> Bin Laden is dead

>
> What more do you want?

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 8:47 AM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> On 20-Aug-2012, cicero venatio<jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote at
> alt.politics.elections:
>

>> There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>> nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
>> when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
>> Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>> the Presidency.
>

> Seal Team 6 wouldn't even exist without being authorized by President Obama.

> People who are on such teams need to learn to keep their mouths shut about
> classified missions.

[packet drop]

On 8/21/2012 11:51 PM, Moder@tor wrote:

>> You are moving the goal posts again so that it has to be a military
>> coup before you will agree that the President is wrong in what he is
>> doing.
>

> Absolutely not. Sissyro made the claim that "There is an independent ad

> featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had nothing to do with killing Osama Bin

> Laden." I called him on it for a cite and your provided one that was phony and

> had nothing to do with Seal Team 6. So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay

> on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 21, 11:12�pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
>> >nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. �Kind of reminds me of
>> >when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. �If
>> >Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
>> >the Presidency.
>>
>> Seems that all of the charges that these supposed former military guys are
>> making are suspect:
>>
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/ind...
>>
>> Bergen is probably the only journalist who can speak with authority on the
>> subject, having been the only one to visit the Abbottabad complex. He makes a
>> pretty clear case that the charges are all BS. No real surprise there from the
>> slimy Right who will do anything legal or not to get the oval office. And they
>> want us to believe that they are the best option?
>
>Here's who Peter Bergen and the New America Foundation are:
>http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7616

So did you read his refutal of the phony web site claims? They are all very
logical, unlike the phony web site claims.

>
>Here is what happens when you stop reporting news and start promoting
>a political party:
>http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-28/news/32461227_1_cnn-ratings-msnbc-anderson-cooper

Which is not what happened. He addressed the ad and refuted the claims one by
one.

>> Laughable.
>
>I am Indeed.

Fixed it for ya, no charge.

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 11:36 AM, Moder@tor wrote:
> So did you read his refutal of the phony web site claims?

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 12:13 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> Snicker.

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 12:15 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> IDIOT

[yogurt spank]

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 10:03 am, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>

> >> >On Aug 21, 1:21 pm, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>

> >> >> >On Aug 21, 12:00 pm, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>

> >> >> >> >On Aug 21, 9:54 am, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>

> >> >> >> >> >On Aug 21, 8:04 am, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>

No he didn't. Not a thing. He missed the whole point of the video.

> So much for a bunch of
> wannabes trying to Swift Boat Obama. Ain't gonna happen.

It's just another nail in the BO campaign to put us another $5T in
debt. Florida, Indiana, Iowa and North Carolina are now in Romney's
column with Colorado, Wisconsin, Virginia and Ohio at risk. This is a
good thing for Republicans.

> >David McCullough wrote a book on John Adams. Was
> >that a fake too?
>
> >> So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay
> >> on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.
>
> >Current military is obligated to keep their mouths closed about the
> >President otherwise they will be discharged. If current military
> >personnel ganged up to overthrow the President that would be a coup.
>
> That isn't just current military, it has been a rule forever. Don't speak bad
> about the commander-in-chief. That's why the Seal Team 6 would not be in any ad,
> stupid.

But former Seals *ARE* talking about the President and you are calling
them:

Phonys
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fedfd42aee61afe7?dmode=source

"sour old farts"
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/dab3351948485f9b?dmode=source

"supposed former military guys"
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/c5ad79d9bb2624a5?dmode=source

Lacking "balls" and "phony":
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/f197c18217ee113f?dmode=source

This is why they don't like you and your ilk.

> >The ad features former Navy Seals, former CIA operatives and other
> >special forces who are saying that BO's politically motivated "leaks"
> >put current personnel at risk.
>
> None of which seem to have the balls to list their names on that phony web site.
> Might as well be Usenet and Spammy.

Their names are in the video.

> >It seems you want the current Seal Team to betray the President
> >otherwise it s meaningless.
>
> Sissyro was the one who made the claim that Seal Team 6 was featured

They are featured. Your misapprehension is that current ST6 members
need to be interviewed. I'll ask you again: David McCullough wrote a
book that featured John Adams. Was it phony?

> n a new
> ad, not me. And you posted the link to the phony web site. I've maintained all
> along it is all BS.

You are wrong. Those are real former Seals, CIA and Special Ops. Too
bad, so sad.

> >*NEWS FLASH*
>
> >The intelligence community and the military does not like liberals
> >because liberals put our country and them personally at risk. Deal.
>
> Gee, tell Panetta that.

He only needs to read the polls that show he and the administration is
not liked by those who defend this country with their lives. I'm sure
he's done that and doesn't care.

> >> >> >> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
> >> >> >> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
> >> >> >> the election.
>
> >> >> >Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
> >> >> >of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
> >> >> >up.
>
> >> >> >Too bad. So sad.
>
> >> >> Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.
>
> >> >We can play it out right now. It's November 7th and Obama has soundly
> >> >beat Romney - even in Utah and the press has never seen a drubbing
> >> >like this before and Romney will forever be known as the worse
> >> >candidate ever and will forever be a national joke. You make a post
> >> >telling me how dumb I am. What a loser I am and throw in bunch of
> >> >taunts and one-liners that has all the liberals laughing.
>
> >> Can't possibly imagine a landslide victory, but go ahead with your wet dream
> >> fantasy....
>
> >Wouldn't that be the best thing for Democrats?
>
> I wouldn't really care. I vote for the best of the two candidates. Right now
> that is Obama. I was considering Romney until the surface was scratched and
> there was only shit underneath.

I suspect that even you don't believe that.

> >> >My reply:
>
> >> >Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
> >> >too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?
> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?...
>
> >> Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name online is a
> >> fools game.
>
> >OK then, dont' be a fool. Post your real name and address, right...
>
> >...Here----->

No?

> >> Besides, I am not a betting man and it would never cross my mind to
> >> bet on the winner of a US presidential race.
>
> >You'll bluster about about how BO is the better candidate and how bad
> >Romney is but won't put a paltry $20 on the line. Which is definition
> >of, "All wind and no sail."
>
> I've got way better things to do with my hard earned money

$20 is hard earned money to you? Sorry to hear that. I wish you were
doing better, truly. You'd probably have a better (Republican) outlook
on life if $20 was chump change.

> than bet with some
> Usenet asshole who thinks he's God.

That's just a matter of perspective. If you were able to bring
yourself up to my level you'd see that I'm just like everyone else.

> >> If such things get you off, you
> >> should visit Vegas, there you can even bet if the sun will come up tomorrow.
>
> >I don't gamble.
>
> Bwahahahahahahahahaha! What a fucking hypocrite. You offered to bet me. You're a
> worthless asshole, Al.

If you don't lose is it really gambling? I don't think so. Vegas is
gambling because the house has has a (better than even) chance.

> >Just offering a friendly wager which amounts to little
> >more than a "lunch of congratulations" or "a little something for a
> >charity" and some crowing rights. But more than that it's an
> >opportunity for the loser to show that they have some character. I'm
> >2:0 and neither liberal I've had these wagers with in the last 12
> >years has paid up. I would be surprised if you did.
>
> Since I won't bet with you, you will never know, will you?

I do know you have no character. I know you to be a coward and $20 is
a lot of money to you. You do some childish "spammy dance" thing all
the time. That's all I need to know.

> And I ain't a lib.

Do you own guns?
Are you against Abortion?
Did you vote for McCain or Bush?
Will one of the real libs here post "He's not one of us", right...

...Here?----->

[packet drop]

http://sadhillnews.com/2011/12/21/hitty-hitty-bang-bang-chevy-volt-costs-taxpayers-250k-per-vehicle-sold

What makes news of the $250k cost to build one (as in single) Chevy Volt
particularly interesting, is reporters failed to mention that the Obama
administration used taxpayer funds to ‘purchase’ 1 in every 4 GM and
Ford hybrids sold since 2008.

Oh…

Anyone care for an all-day sucker?

Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up To $250K Per Vehicle

(Steve Gill Show) Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as
$250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total
of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman,
assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public
Policy.

Hohman looked at total state and federal assistance offered for the
development and production of the Chevy Volt, General Motors’ plug-in
hybrid electric vehicle. Hohman included in his analysis 18 government
deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount
of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors
is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.

The Volt is subsidized by multiple companies on its way to production.
The analysis includes adding up the amount of government subsidies via
tax credits and direct funding for not only General Motors, but other
companies supplying parts for the vehicle. For example, the Department
of Energy awarded a $105.9 million grant to the GM Brownstown plant that
assembles the batteries. The company was also awarded approximately $106
million for its Hamtramck assembly plant in state credits to retain
jobs. The company that supplies the Volt’s batteries, Compact Power, was
awarded up to $100 million in refundable battery credits. These are
among many of the subsidies and tax credits for the vehicle.

It’s very unlikely all the companies involved in the production of the
Volt would ever receive all the $3 billion in incentives, Hohman said.
But the analysis looks at the total value that has been offered to the
Volt in different aspects of production – from the assembly line to the
dealerships to the battery manufacturers. The tax credits and subsidies
are offered for periods up to 20 years, though the majority is offered
over a much shorter time frame.

GM has estimated they’ve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each
of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and
$250,000, depending on how many government subsidies were realized.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 10:36 am, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 21, 11:12 pm, "Old Yeller" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had
> >> >nothing to do with killing Osama Bin Laden. Kind of reminds me of
> >> >when Kerry claimed to be a war hero when in fact he was coward. If
> >> >Kerry had not claimed to be a war hero, he would have most likely won
> >> >the Presidency.
>
> >> Seems that all of the charges that these supposed former military guys are
> >> making are suspect:
>
> >>http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/ind...
>
> >> Bergen is probably the only journalist who can speak with authority on the
> >> subject, having been the only one to visit the Abbottabad complex. He makes a
> >> pretty clear case that the charges are all BS. No real surprise there from the
> >> slimy Right who will do anything legal or not to get the oval office. And they
> >> want us to believe that they are the best option?
>
> >Here's who Peter Bergen and the New America Foundation are:
> >http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7616
>
> So did you read his refutal of the phony web site claims?

He's a Leftist hack that said things like you could go to Wikipedia to
see that we have Seal Teams but ignores that Obama named the team
specifically and that the press could figure out everything they
needed to know about the downed helicopter and how we got Osama.

> They are all very
> logical, unlike the phony web site claims.

You believe what you want to believe. If you just come to grips with
the fact that the people who defend this country with their lives
don't like Democrats then you don't have to call former Navy Seals
phonies. They will just be another partisan group like unions, lawyers
and the poor.

> >Here is what happens when you stop reporting news and start promoting
> >a political party:

> >http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-28/news/32461227_1_cnn-rating...

>
> Which is not what happened.

It is. CNN is getting lost in the saturation of liberal media.

> He addressed the ad and refuted the claims one by
> one.

Scream all you want: You won't be heard above the tidal wave of public
opinion which is going the other way.

> >> Laughable.
>
> >I am Indeed.
>
> Fixed it for ya, no charge.

Too bad you can't fix BO who's fading.

Do you think when unemployment goes down to 6% under Romney you'll
maybe get a better job offer? That would be pretty cool.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 11:15 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al

>
> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Absolutely not. Sissyro made the claim that "There is an independent ad
> >> featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had nothing to do with killing Osama Bin
> >> Laden." I called him on it for a cite and your provided one that was phony and
> >> had nothing to do with Seal Team 6.
>
> >The ad shows how
>

> A "ad" is worthless.
>
> ANYONE can "say" anything, (even under oath) and not be charged with a
> serious crime

The ad is awesome and is just another way BO is getting hammered. Look
at this from the AP:

"Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who is out-fundraising
President Barack Obama by impressive margins, is attracting thousands
of donors this summer from traditionally Democratic areas of the
United States, collecting millions of dollars in even progressive
communities from New York to Los Angeles, according to an analysis by
The Associated Press of new campaign data."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROMNEY_FUNDRAISING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-21-17-42-57

This is really good news for Republicans and the country.

> Only when in court, under oath, and impeached/proven a lie was told
> could anyone be considered perjuring  themselves.
>
> IOW, the fucking shit-boaters can SAY anything they want, and not be
> charged with a crime of lying or perjury

You're unraveling - which is expected. The point is that their message
is getting out there and is being heard and motivating Americans who
want to defend those who defend us with their lives.

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddys...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Wrong. He addressed their point by point argument, point by point and showed
exactly where they were wrong and why. If you could read, you'd understand.

>
>> So much for a bunch of
>> wannabes trying to Swift Boat Obama. Ain't gonna happen.
>
>It's just another nail in the BO campaign to put us another $5T in
>debt. Florida, Indiana, Iowa and North Carolina are now in Romney's
>column with Colorado, Wisconsin, Virginia and Ohio at risk. This is a
>good thing for Republicans.

All spew from a moron.

>> >David McCullough wrote a book on John Adams. Was
>> >that a fake too?
>>
>> >> So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay
>> >> on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.
>>
>> >Current military is obligated to keep their mouths closed about the
>> >President otherwise they will be discharged. If current military
>> >personnel ganged up to overthrow the President that would be a coup.
>>
>> That isn't just current military, it has been a rule forever. Don't speak bad
>> about the commander-in-chief. That's why the Seal Team 6 would not be in any ad,
>> stupid.
>
>But former Seals *ARE* talking about the President and you are calling
>them:

Faceless fools. Not one of them has the balls to put their own name on the web
site.

>Phonys
>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fedfd42aee61afe7?dmode=source
>
>"sour old farts"
>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/dab3351948485f9b?dmode=source
>
>"supposed former military guys"
>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/c5ad79d9bb2624a5?dmode=source
>
>Lacking "balls" and "phony":
>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/f197c18217ee113f?dmode=source
>
>This is why they don't like you and your ilk.

Because I like to know who is behind such a movement? Anyone can make those
claims. Stand up like the men they proclaim to be and put their names on their
product. What are they afraid of? That we will all catch them lying their GOP
asses off?

>> >The ad features former Navy Seals, former CIA operatives and other
>> >special forces who are saying that BO's politically motivated "leaks"
>> >put current personnel at risk.
>>
>> None of which seem to have the balls to list their names on that phony web site.
>> Might as well be Usenet and Spammy.
>
>Their names are in the video.
>
>> >It seems you want the current Seal Team to betray the President
>> >otherwise it s meaningless.
>>
>> Sissyro was the one who made the claim that Seal Team 6 was featured
>
>They are featured.

They show the current Seal Team 6? Cannot possibly believe that. You are lying
your ass off as well. Then these bozos who are after the president are putting
their own supposed colleagues at risk by exposing their identities.

>Your misapprehension is that current ST6 members
>need to be interviewed. I'll ask you again: David McCullough wrote a
>book that featured John Adams. Was it phony?

Who cares about McCullough. We are talking about the Seal Team 6.

>> n a new
>> ad, not me. And you posted the link to the phony web site. I've maintained all
>> along it is all BS.
>
>You are wrong. Those are real former Seals, CIA and Special Ops. Too
>bad, so sad.

Then they fucked up big time if they show the current Seal Team 6 in their
video. And they are dunces for having an anonymous web site attacking the
president.

>> >*NEWS FLASH*
>>
>> >The intelligence community and the military does not like liberals
>> >because liberals put our country and them personally at risk. Deal.
>>
>> Gee, tell Panetta that.
>
>He only needs to read the polls that show he and the administration is
>not liked by those who defend this country with their lives. I'm sure
>he's done that and doesn't care.

Nor do I. FWIW, Al, I am not a hater of my country like you are. I don't bash
the president, regardless of which party he comes from. Once he is out of
office? Fair game. But as long as he is commander in chief, respect. That is the
way it should be. You America hating Righturds have never seemed to get this.
Neither have the Lefturds.

>> >> >> >> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
>> >> >> >> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
>> >> >> >> the election.
>>
>> >> >> >Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
>> >> >> >of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
>> >> >> >up.
>>
>> >> >> >Too bad. So sad.
>>
>> >> >> Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.
>>
>> >> >We can play it out right now. It's November 7th and Obama has soundly
>> >> >beat Romney - even in Utah and the press has never seen a drubbing
>> >> >like this before and Romney will forever be known as the worse
>> >> >candidate ever and will forever be a national joke. You make a post
>> >> >telling me how dumb I am. What a loser I am and throw in bunch of
>> >> >taunts and one-liners that has all the liberals laughing.
>>
>> >> Can't possibly imagine a landslide victory, but go ahead with your wet dream
>> >> fantasy....
>>
>> >Wouldn't that be the best thing for Democrats?
>>
>> I wouldn't really care. I vote for the best of the two candidates. Right now
>> that is Obama. I was considering Romney until the surface was scratched and
>> there was only shit underneath.
>
>I suspect that even you don't believe that.

That Romney is scum? You bet I do. I bought into the conservative image at
first. That he would run a clean campaign for president. That went out the
window. Plus, he seems to be hiding a real lot of skeletons. Open the closet if
you want to have people trust you.

>> >> >My reply:
>>
>> >> >Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
>> >> >too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?
>> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?...
>>
>> >> Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name online is a
>> >> fools game.
>>
>> >OK then, dont' be a fool. Post your real name and address, right...
>>
>> >...Here----->
>
>No?

Abso-fucking-lutely not.

>> >> Besides, I am not a betting man and it would never cross my mind to
>> >> bet on the winner of a US presidential race.
>>
>> >You'll bluster about about how BO is the better candidate and how bad
>> >Romney is but won't put a paltry $20 on the line. Which is definition
>> >of, "All wind and no sail."
>>
>> I've got way better things to do with my hard earned money
>
>$20 is hard earned money to you? Sorry to hear that. I wish you were
>doing better, truly. You'd probably have a better (Republican) outlook
>on life if $20 was chump change.

All of it is hard earned money to me, asshole. The 'Republican' outlook you crow
about has nothing to do with the real Republicans, just all you Al come lately
types that think you know the slightest fucking thing about politics because
some headless TV voice tells you what to believe. You are too stupid for words.

>> than bet with some
>> Usenet asshole who thinks he's God.
>
>That's just a matter of perspective. If you were able to bring
>yourself up to my level you'd see that I'm just like everyone else.

Your level? I've seen pre-schoolers who put more thought into their posts than
you do, Al. You are a worthless, stupid, pathetic loser. Fuck off.

>> >> If such things get you off, you
>> >> should visit Vegas, there you can even bet if the sun will come up tomorrow.
>>
>> >I don't gamble.
>>
>> Bwahahahahahahahahaha! What a fucking hypocrite. You offered to bet me. You're a
>> worthless asshole, Al.
>
>If you don't lose is it really gambling? I don't think so. Vegas is
>gambling because the house has has a (better than even) chance.

When you learn how to read, look up the word in a dictionary. Or have your mommy
explain it to you.

>> >Just offering a friendly wager which amounts to little
>> >more than a "lunch of congratulations" or "a little something for a
>> >charity" and some crowing rights. But more than that it's an
>> >opportunity for the loser to show that they have some character. I'm
>> >2:0 and neither liberal I've had these wagers with in the last 12
>> >years has paid up. I would be surprised if you did.
>>
>> Since I won't bet with you, you will never know, will you?
>
>I do know you have no character. I know you to be a coward and $20 is
>a lot of money to you. You do some childish "spammy dance" thing all
>the time. That's all I need to know.

Then you haven't been paying attention. No one is stupid enough to buy into your
pathetic excuse for down talking, Al. Your useless attempts at psychology
wouldn't even work on the pschotic Spammy. Go and buy a clue, ok?

>> And I ain't a lib.
>
>Do you own guns?

A gun not more than one, yes.
>Are you against Abortion?
Yes

>Did you vote for McCain or Bush?

Bush the first time, not the second time.

>Will one of the real libs here post "He's not one of us", right...

You know, I don't really give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks I am. If it
is hip to be part of what party you claim to be, then I am mighty fucking glad
to say that I ain't. You are too stupid for words. Whatever rock you crawled out
from under should have been ashamed to let you under it in the first place. YOu
and your ilk are a fester on the ass of America. The sooner you turds are
lanced, the better.

>...Here?----->

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:13:16 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:23:04 -0600, packet drop <U...@S.PL> wrote:
>
>>Obama COMPROMISED the safety of the SEALs as never before
>

>Or so your wet-dream goes.
>
>Snicker.
>
>>=============================================
>
>
>"The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was
>based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge."
>[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]
>
>"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
>Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
>[Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
>
>"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
>character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
>never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
>years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment,
>every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The
>Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a
>document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable
>with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical
>reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
>[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp.
>239-40]
>
>"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
>fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by
>a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned
>men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a
>sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a
>man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last
>rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple
>the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the
>Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
>recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for
>this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I
>have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be
>a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which
>could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that
>daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
>And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and
>labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages
>wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these
>men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I
>believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity
>for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
>against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
>exposed."
>[Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a
>political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on his
>personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted in
>Freethought Today April 1990]
>
>"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the
>Almighty Creator."
>[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
>
>"What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the
>fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission
>assigned to it by the Creator."
>[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]
>
>"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical
>existence of a religious belief."
>[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]
>
>"And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
>estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove
>those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God."
>[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]
>
>"Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another... while the
>enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his
>sleeve."
>[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]
>
>"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
>[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
>
>"Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be
>wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in
>a fanatical outlook."
>[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171]
>
>"I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn
>splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the
>abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my
>father, the highest and most desirable ideal."
>[Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 1]

[Moder@tor]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:39:43 -0700 (PDT), Yer Asshole Al
<caddys...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>He's a Leftist hack that said things like you could go to Wikipedia to
>see that we have Seal Teams but ignores that Obama named the team
>specifically and that the press could figure out everything they
>needed to know about the downed helicopter and how we got Osama.

Are 'Swift Boat' attacks on Obama bogus?
By Peter Bergen, CNN National Security Analyst
August 19, 2012 -- Updated 1807 GMT (0207 HKT)

President Obama announces the killing of Osama bin Laden, in a broadcast from
the White House May 1, 2011.

Editor's note: Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, is a director at
the New America Foundation, a Washington-based think tank that seeks innovative
solutions across the ideological spectrum, and the author of the new book
"Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for Bin Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."
Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A group of former U.S. military and intelligence
officers, including retired Navy SEALs, appear in a 22-minute documentary that
was released on Wednesday asserting that the Obama administration has leaked
considerable classified intelligence about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden
for political gain.

They also claim that the administration has given itself too much credit for
this feat of American arms and intelligence gathering. The film even makes the
dramatic charge that the Obama administration is "purposefully putting lives in
jeopardy" because of its purported leaks about national security.
The charges bear some resemblance to the "Swift Boat" tactics used against Sen.
John Kerry in the tight 2004 presidential election against President George W.
Bush in which Kerry's service in Vietnam, seemingly a strength of the candidate,
was turned into a weakness.

GOP strategists: Bain attack ads are this year's Swift Boat campaign
The particulars of the indictment against Obama as laid out in the new film,
which is titled "Dishonorable Disclosures," are:


Ex-SEALs slam Obama over leaks Ex-military officers take aim at Obama Adm.
McRaven on the bin Laden raid
-- The president announced the bin Laden raid before intelligence picked up from
bin Laden's compound could be fully exploited.
-- The use of hitherto covert "stealth" helicopters on the raid was publicized.
-- The name of the secret unit that executed the raid --SEAL Team Six -- was
made public putting them and their families at risk.
-- The name of the Pakistani doctor recruited by the CIA to help find bin Laden
was leaked, jeopardizing him and the CIA's ability to recruit spies in the
future. The doctor is now serving 33 years in a Pakistani prison.
Pakistani doctor who helped US appeals verdict
-- Obama has taken way too much credit for killing al Qaeda's leader. "Mr.
President, you did not kill Osama bin Laden, America did. The work that the
American military has done killed Osama bin Laden. You did not," says a former
Navy SEAL interviewed in the film.

Criticism of the way that the bin Laden raid has been discussed publicly by the
Obama administration makes up the bulk of "Dishonorable Disclosures," but the
administration is also taken to task for supposedly leaking details of covert
U.S. actions against the Iranian nuclear program to New York Times reporter
David Sanger (who has said he was not the recipient of "deliberate leaks out of
the White House") and outlining to other journalists the personal involvement of
Obama in selecting targets for the CIA drone program in Pakistan.
One former Navy SEAL featured in the film demands dramatically, "Tell the
president to stop leaking information to the enemy."

Is there any merit to these serious accusations?

In fact, Obama and his national security team made every effort -- successfully
-- to keep the intelligence about bin Laden a closely held secret for almost a
year, from the time they first identified what they believed might be the al
Qaeda leader's hideout in the city of Abbottabad, Pakistan, in August 2010 until
May 1, 2011, when the raid was launched to kill him.

The raid itself was conducted as a covert operation under the overall direction
of then-CIA Director Leon Panetta.

I have written a book about the hunt for bin Laden during the course of which I
was the only journalist granted access by the Pakistanis inside the compound in
Abbottabad where bin Laden was killed. I also spoke on the record about the hunt
for bin Laden with a variety of current White House, Pentagon and intelligence
officials, as well as former Defense Department and CIA officials familiar with
aspects of the story.

None of them divulged classified information about the bin Laden operation.
Indeed, they went to great pains to avoid doing so.

What precipitated the operation going public was not Obama's announcement of the
raid but the crash of one of the Black Hawk choppers used in the raid, which
turned what had hitherto been a covert operation into a very public event.
Pakistani journalists started arriving at bin Laden's Abbottabad compound soon
after the helicopter crashed and started filing stories about the mysterious
helicopter and its oddly shaped tail rotor. An Abbottabad resident even tweeted
about the unusual sound of helicopters flying over the city in the middle of the
night.

It wasn't much of a leap for reporters to ascertain that these helicopters had
particular features that had prevented them from being detected by Pakistani
radar.

Soon after the SEALs had raided the Abbottabad command, Pakistani officials on
the ground were interrogating bin Laden's wives and children at the compound who
told them that bin Laden had just been killed. None of this was going to stay
secret for long.

Indeed, it was Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's top military officer, who
sped up the Obama administration's announcement of the raid. A few hours after
the raid, Kayani told his American counterpart, Adm. Mike Mullen, "Our people
need to understand what happened here. We're not going to be able to manage the
Pakistani media without you confirming this. You can explain it to them. They
need to understand that this was bin Laden and not just some ordinary U.S.
operation."

Mullen then told Obama and his national security team, "Kayani has asked for us
to go public," which swayed Obama to announce the raid sooner than was planned.
(Obama wanted to wait for 100% DNA confirmation that it was bin Laden. At the
time of the president's announcement about the raid the confirmation was at
95%.)

During his speech to the nation and world, Obama did not divulge the name of
SEAL Team Six, saying only that a "small team of Americans carried out the
operation with extraordinary courage and capability."

A visit to Osama bin Laden's lair

It quickly leaked that SEAL Team Six had executed the raid, but this was hardly
surprising as the SEALs are the principal Special Operations Forces in the
Afghanistan/Pakistan theater, something that has been discussed in multiple news
stories over the past several years and in bestselling books such as "Lone
Survivor" by former Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell.

And the SEALs have hardly kept a low profile of late, cooperating in a movie
"Act of Valor" that was released in theaters this year, which actually featured
real SEALs playing the parts of the heroes of the movie.

Perhaps if you had absolutely no knowledge of the U.S. military, or indeed
access to Wikipedia where SEAL Team Six has had an entry since 2004, it would be
news to you that SEAL Team Six, along with the Army's Delta Force, are America's
premier counterterrorism units. Obviously, a mission to take out bin Laden would
not be entrusted to any other than these elite units.

So the notion that the public naming of the unit that killed bin Laden endangers
the lives of its members and their families is overwrought. Members of SEAL Team
Six are well able to take care of themselves and their families. And who first
leaked the involvement of SEAL Team Six in the bin Laden operation remains
unclear.

It is just plain wrong that anyone in the U.S. government leaked the name of the
CIA asset in Pakistan, Dr Shakil Afridi, who was recruited by the agency in its
quest to find bin Laden. This information first surfaced in a story in the
Guardian newspaper in July 2011 after Afridi was arrested by the Pakistani
intelligence service, ISI. It is obvious that this information was leaked not by
the Americans but the Pakistanis who have done their own investigation of the
bin Laden raid, which embarrassed them considerably.

As to the notion that Obama has taken too much credit for the bin Laden raid,
well he is commander-in-chief, and it was entirely his decision to launch the
risky raid on Abbottabad based on the only fragmentary intelligence that bin
Laden might be there.

As Adm. William McRaven, who was the military commander of the bin Laden raid,
told CNN's Wolf Blitzer last month, "at the end of the day, make no mistake
about it, it was the president of the United States that shouldered the burden
for this operation, that made the hard decisions, that was instrumental in the
planning process, because I pitched every plan to him."

The raid decision was opposed by Vice President Joe Biden, who had run for the
Democratic nomination for the presidency against Obama. If Biden had won the
White House in 2008, Osama bin Laden might still be alive.

And the decision to do the raid was also opposed by Secretary of Defense Robert
Gates, who had served every president going back to Richard Nixon. Gates was
concerned about some kind of replay of the 1980 Iran hostage rescue debacle,
which helped to turn President Jimmy Carter into a one-term president.

The notion that the decision to greenlight the risky raid was made by anyone
other than Obama is just plain silly, and it was a decision he made against the
advice of both his vice president and his secretary of defense.

The film "Dishonorable Disclosures" gets even sillier. At one point one of the
former officers interviewed for the film charges that the Obama administration
"divulged to the world we are using drone technology." The fact that the United
States uses drones in Pakistan is one of the world's worst kept secrets. In
fact, the New America Foundation where I work has maintained a public database
of these attacks since early 2010.'

First look at the Osama bin Laden movie

Similarly, the claim that the Obama administration has recently leaked
information about the Stuxnet virus attacks on the Iranian nuclear program to
the New York Times is overblown, as this information has been reported since
2010, and the Iranians themselves publicly acknowledged that their nuclear
program was under cyberattack two years ago. It is true that the U.S. role in
the cyberattacks was disclosed in the New York Times.

And in June, Attorney General Eric Holder appointed two federal prosecutors to
investigate leaks including the New York Times story about Obama ordering the
cyberattacks against Iran with the Stuxnet virus.

There remains much that is unknown about the still-classified intelligence
surrounding the bin Laden raid, including:

-- How did the CIA find the real name of bin Laden's courier who was the key to
finding him?

-- How was the courier's cell phone first tracked down?

-- How was he tracked to bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad?

-- How did the CIA establish a safe house in Abbottabad? And who staffed it?
None of this information has been leaked, and it remains classified for good
reason as it gets into the CIA's "sources and methods."

Don't expect to hear any of those details any time soon.

Follow @CNNOpinion on Twitter

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 1:19 PM, Moder@tor wrote:
>> But former Seals*ARE* talking about the President and you are calling

>> >them:
> Faceless fools. Not one of them has the balls to put their own name on the web
> site.
>

LIAR!

TRAITOR!



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-18/seal-obama-pac-ads/56322128/1

Zinke said he and other members of the special operations community are
outraged that SEAL Team 6 was identified as the commando unit that
carried out the raid, saying it put its members and their families at
risk. Zinke said he believes the president has politicized his role as
commander in chief to win re-election.

"Who was it at risk?" he said. "Was it the president? Or was it the
young SEAL with the wife and kid at home? That's the arrogance."

Zinke, a Republican state senator from Montana, said the group also
objects to deep military cuts and increases in health care costs to
veterans. While he agreed there's room for cuts in military spending, he
said the $1.1 trillion in cuts over 10 years that could start at the end
of the year are too deep

Benjamin Smith, who spent six years as a SEAL, said he is upset by the
level of detail that emerged about the bin Laden operation. Special
operations personnel have a mystique that depends on secrecy, he said,
and details about the use of stealth helicopters and other information
that leaked about the operation run counter to the way they conduct
themselves.

"That right there to any operator is blasphemy," said Smith, 36, of
Wilmington, N.C. "It's insulting. It made me sick to my stomach."

[packet drop]

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 1:28 PM, Moder@tor wrote:
> Are 'Swift Boat' attacks on Obama bogus?

No.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 12:19 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al <caddyshack...@gmail.com>

You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree. We'll see who's made more
waves come November.

> >> So much for a bunch of
> >> wannabes trying to Swift Boat Obama. Ain't gonna happen.
>
> >It's just another nail in the BO campaign to put us another $5T in
> >debt. Florida, Indiana, Iowa and North Carolina are now in Romney's
> >column with Colorado, Wisconsin, Virginia and Ohio at risk. This is a
> >good thing for Republicans.
>
> All spew from a moron.

I'm just reciting the polls. I understand that you are in denial that
Obama is seriously in trouble.

> >> >David McCullough wrote a book on John Adams. Was
> >> >that a fake too?
>
> >> >> So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay
> >> >> on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.
>
> >> >Current military is obligated to keep their mouths closed about the
> >> >President otherwise they will be discharged. If current military
> >> >personnel ganged up to overthrow the President that would be a coup.
>
> >> That isn't just current military, it has been a rule forever. Don't speak bad
> >> about the commander-in-chief. That's why the Seal Team 6 would not be in any ad,
> >> stupid.
>
> >But former Seals *ARE* talking about the President and you are calling
> >them:
>
> Faceless fools. Not one of them has the balls to put their own name on the web
> site.
>
> >Phonys

> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fedfd42aee61afe7?...
>
> >"sour old farts"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/dab3351948485f9b?...
>
> >"supposed former military guys"
> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/c5ad79d9bb2624a5?...
>
> >Lacking "balls" and "phony":
> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/f197c18217ee113f?...

>
> >This is why they don't like you and your ilk.
>
> Because I like to know who is behind such a movement? Anyone can make those
> claims. Stand up like the men they proclaim to be and put their names on their
> product. What are they afraid of? That we will all catch them lying their GOP
> asses off?

Watch the video. Navy Seals: Ben Smith, Ryan Zinke, Scott Taylor.
Former CIA officers: Dave LaMorte, Fred Rustmann. Former Military: Lt.
Col. Bill Cowan (USMC).

I understand it's easier for you to attack the messengers when you
cannot attack the message. You can't win that one so don't even try.

> >> >The ad features former Navy Seals, former CIA operatives and other
> >> >special forces who are saying that BO's politically motivated "leaks"
> >> >put current personnel at risk.
>
> >> None of which seem to have the balls to list their names on that phony web site.
> >> Might as well be Usenet and Spammy.
>
> >Their names are in the video.
>
> >> >It seems you want the current Seal Team to betray the President
> >> >otherwise it s meaningless.
>
> >> Sissyro was the one who made the claim that Seal Team 6 was featured
>
> >They are featured.
>
> They show the current Seal Team 6?

That's a strawman. Did McCullough show the current "John Adams"? The
video is about how Obama exposed Seal Team 6.

> Cannot possibly believe that. You are lying
> your ass off as well. Then these bozos who are after the president are putting
> their own supposed colleagues at risk by exposing their identities.

They didn't and the President *DID*:

"Mr. President, you did not kill Osama bin Laden, America did. The
work that the American military has done killed Osama bin Laden. You

did not. As a citizen, it is my civic duty to tell the president to
stop leaking information to the enemy. It will get Americans killed."
- Former Navy Seal, Ben Smith

> >Your misapprehension is that current ST6 members
> >need to be interviewed. I'll ask you again: David McCullough wrote a
> >book that featured John Adams. Was it phony?
>
> Who cares about McCullough. We are talking about the Seal Team 6.

I'm making an analogy that you can write a book or publish a video
that "features" someone or a group and not actually have them in it.
For instance, there is a new movie coming out: Obama's America 2016.
It features BO but I'm pretty sure they don't interview the President
personally:

http://2016themovie.com/

> >> n a new
> >> ad, not me. And you posted the link to the phony web site. I've maintained all
> >> along it is all BS.
>
> >You are wrong. Those are real former Seals, CIA and Special Ops. Too
> >bad, so sad.
>
> Then they fucked up big time if they show the current Seal Team 6 in their
> video. And they are dunces for having an anonymous web site attacking the
> president.

You are really beating the Hell out of the strawman. Glad my name
isn't Brad.

> >> >*NEWS FLASH*
>
> >> >The intelligence community and the military does not like liberals
> >> >because liberals put our country and them personally at risk. Deal.
>
> >> Gee, tell Panetta that.
>
> >He only needs to read the polls that show he and the administration is
> >not liked by those who defend this country with their lives. I'm sure
> >he's done that and doesn't care.
>
> Nor do I. FWIW, Al,

Are you kidding? You're spinning yourself silly on this one. Do you
think I give a crap if the UAW puts out an ad against Romney? That's
par for the course. But vets are different and Navy Seals are very
different. Osama is the only thing Obama has got right this time and
his only hope of re-election and the vets are taking that away from
him.

You care. You care mightily. These are American heroes, just like the
Swift Boat Vets were heroes, and who wants to be on the side fighting
against American heroes? If you can somehow discredit them then you
avoid the immanent self-loathing that burns America haters from the
inside out.

> I am not a hater of my country like you are.

You are projecting now. You *HATE* those vets who are speaking out
against the President.

> I don't bash
> the president, regardless of which party he comes from. Once he is out of
> office? Fair game. But as long as he is commander in chief, respect. That is the
> way it should be. You America hating Righturds have never seemed to get this.
> Neither have the Lefturds.

Are you even a little bit serious? There was no MSLSD during the Bush
years? No moveon.org? No Code Pink?

You are clearly living in an alternate reality where homelessness
hasn't increased under Obama. Where unemployment hasn't gone up under
Obama. Maybe it's the same alternate reality that Obama lives in where
the "Private sector is doing fine."?

I do look forward to you not "bashing" president Romney for the next 8
years.

> >> >> >> >> You turds will try anything to get your corrupt Romney
> >> >> >> >> into the WH, won't you? Even if it brings the whole country down. See you after
> >> >> >> >> the election.
>
> >> >> >> >Did you see where the Democrat leaning PPP polled Wisconsin in favor
> >> >> >> >of Romney? Poor ole' BO ran a campaign deficit in July trying to keep
> >> >> >> >up.
>
> >> >> >> >Too bad. So sad.
>
> >> >> >> Saving this one to rub your nose in it, puppy.
>
> >> >> >We can play it out right now. It's November 7th and Obama has soundly
> >> >> >beat Romney - even in Utah and the press has never seen a drubbing
> >> >> >like this before and Romney will forever be known as the worse
> >> >> >candidate ever and will forever be a national joke. You make a post
> >> >> >telling me how dumb I am. What a loser I am and throw in bunch of
> >> >> >taunts and one-liners that has all the liberals laughing.
>
> >> >> Can't possibly imagine a landslide victory, but go ahead with your wet dream
> >> >> fantasy....
>
> >> >Wouldn't that be the best thing for Democrats?
>
> >> I wouldn't really care. I vote for the best of the two candidates. Right now
> >> that is Obama. I was considering Romney until the surface was scratched and
> >> there was only shit underneath.
>
> >I suspect that even you don't believe that.
>
> That Romney is scum?

That you were even considering Romney. No one believes that.

> You bet I do. I bought into the conservative image at
> first. That he would run a clean campaign for president. That went out the
> window. Plus, he seems to be hiding a real lot of skeletons. Open the closet if
> you want to have people trust you.

Yes, let's open someone's closet who's hid records for years now:

Harvard Law School Records
Columbia College Records
Columbia Senior Thesis
Occidental College records and financial aid records
Illinois State Senator records
Illinois State Bar Association Records
Law client list
Punahou School records and financial aid records
Noelani Elementary School records
Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records
Barack Sr. and Stanley Dunham marriage license
Repatriation records from Indonesia
Adoption records
Baptism records

> >> >> >My reply:
>
> >> >> >Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
> >> >> >too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?
> >> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?...
>
> >> >> Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name online is a
> >> >> fools game.
>
> >> >OK then, dont' be a fool. Post your real name and address, right...
>
> >> >...Here----->
>
> >No?
>
> Abso-fucking-lutely not.

I feel the same. I would assume a bet would still remain anonymous.

> >> >> Besides, I am not a betting man and it would never cross my mind to
> >> >> bet on the winner of a US presidential race.
>
> >> >You'll bluster about about how BO is the better candidate and how bad
> >> >Romney is but won't put a paltry $20 on the line. Which is definition
> >> >of, "All wind and no sail."
>
> >> I've got way better things to do with my hard earned money
>
> >$20 is hard earned money to you? Sorry to hear that. I wish you were
> >doing better, truly. You'd probably have a better (Republican) outlook
> >on life if $20 was chump change.
>
> All of it is hard earned money to me, asshole.

Don't you have any stock? Surely that isn't "hard earned". Next time
you sell some at a profit put $20 aside.

> The 'Republican' outlook you crow
> about has nothing to do with the real Republicans,

Conservatives anyway. It's a fact of life. Here's a book:

Makers and Takers: Why Conservatives Work Harder, Feel Happier, Have
Closer Families, Take Fewer Drugs, Give More Generously, Value Honesty
More, Are Less Materialistic and Envious, Whine Less... Even Hug Their
Children More Than Liberals
http://www.amazon.com/Makers-Takers-Conservatives-Families-Generously/dp/1400107482

> just all you Al come lately
> types that think you know the slightest fucking thing about politics because
> some headless TV voice tells you what to believe. You are too stupid for words.

At 40% the largest (doubling "liberals") ideological group in America
are Conservatives. You are saying that about that much of America?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

> >> than bet with some
> >> Usenet asshole who thinks he's God.
>
> >That's just a matter of perspective. If you were able to bring
> >yourself up to my level you'd see that I'm just like everyone else.
>
> Your level? I've seen pre-schoolers who put more thought into their posts than
> you do, Al. You are a worthless, stupid, pathetic loser. Fuck off.

You referred to me as God. I didn't do that. You have an inferiority
complex. You say something dumb, everyone jumps on you and that makes
you feel dumber. I'm not God. I'm just a happy guy who's not afraid of
partisan groups like unions and Navy Seals. This may be unattainable
for you making me appear God-like but I have a lot of hope that you
can change.

> >> >> If such things get you off, you
> >> >> should visit Vegas, there you can even bet if the sun will come up tomorrow.
>
> >> >I don't gamble.
>
> >> Bwahahahahahahahahaha! What a fucking hypocrite. You offered to bet me. You're a
> >> worthless asshole, Al.
>
> >If you don't lose is it really gambling? I don't think so. Vegas is
> >gambling because the house has has a (better than even) chance.
>
> When you learn how to read, look up the word in a dictionary. Or have your mommy
> explain it to you.

Gambling requires an uncertain outcome. Both of us know the certainty
of outcome of the November Presidential election. Neither of us are
gambling. You are simply giving me $20 or refusing to give me $20.
That's not gambling. If you thought BO had a chance you'd be all over
that.

> >> >Just offering a friendly wager which amounts to little
> >> >more than a "lunch of congratulations" or "a little something for a
> >> >charity" and some crowing rights. But more than that it's an
> >> >opportunity for the loser to show that they have some character. I'm
> >> >2:0 and neither liberal I've had these wagers with in the last 12
> >> >years has paid up. I would be surprised if you did.
>
> >> Since I won't bet with you, you will never know, will you?
>
> >I do know you have no character. I know you to be a coward and $20 is
> >a lot of money to you. You do some childish "spammy dance" thing all
> >the time. That's all I need to know.
>
> Then you haven't been paying attention. No one is stupid enough to buy into your
> pathetic excuse for down talking, Al. Your useless attempts at psychology
> wouldn't even work on the pschotic Spammy. Go and buy a clue, ok?

You are afraid to bet: TRUE.
You have no character because you are afraid to put your money where
your mouth is: TRUE.
You make childish posts: TRUE

The "clue" you want me to buy is that some of the above does not
exist. The problem is that the store that sells that "clue" does not
exist.

> >> And I ain't a lib.
>
> >Do you own guns?
>
> A gun not more than one, yes

> Are you against Abortion?
> Yes
> >Did you vote for McCain or Bush?
>
> Bush the first time, not the second time

>Will one of the real libs here post "He's not one of us", right...

I believe you. I won't call you lib anymore.

> You know, I don't really give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks I am. If it
> is hip to be part of what party you claim to be, then I am mighty fucking glad
> to say that I ain't. You are too stupid for words. Whatever rock you crawled out
> from under should have been ashamed to let you under it in the first place. YOu
> and your ilk are a fester on the ass of America. The sooner you turds are
> lanced, the better.>...Here?----->

Ut, oh.... Another death threat. Great.

Do you think there will be a possiblity where you will just give it up
and put that Obama '12 sticker on your car and hate all things
Conservative? That would make me feel better.

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 2:54 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> So lying is okay

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 2:55 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> No matter how many times y

[packet drop]

On 8/22/2012 4:08 PM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> Only idiots partake in such bets

Only idiots make public death threats like you have.

[packet drop]

http://www.americanclarion.com/3503/2012/02/29/driving-taxpayer-subsidized-100k-brick/

The bad news just keeps coming for the Obama Administration’s push to
force electric vehicles on the public with the revelation that the much
loved Tesla line up of vehicles have a singular problem — they become
bricks if the battery runs out.

That’s right, the $100,000+ Tesla vehicle reportedly has at least five
instances out of the mere 2,200 in production where the vehicle ceased
to function when the battery ran down to a zero charge. The Tesla
didn’t just need a recharge like a cell phone, no, the $32,000 battery
needs to be replaced entirely when it runs out – at the owners expense.

Of course the $32,000 replacement charge does not include transporting
the now inert “vehicle” whose wheels no longer move, or the labor to
replace the battery. The total estimated cost to the Tesla customer is
$40,000, because in spite of the bumper to bumper warranty, the battery
running out of juice is considered the customers fault.

Ordinarily, a car built for the eclectic wealthy class would not matter,
but the Tesla is different.

The Tesla Corporation was singled out by Obama’s Department of
Transportation and Environmental Protection Agency as a company of the
future, during a regulatory “study” conducted to determine the volume of
vehicles manufacturers would produce in 2025.

The study was part of the EPA and Transportation’s dramatic change to
the nation’s Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard (CAFÉ) which
dictate the average fleet gas mileage requirements that each automobile
manufacturing company must meet.

The new standards are set to rise to 54.5 miles per gallon in the next
thirteen years and the Tesla was at least a part of the Obama social
engineers plan to force industry to conform to the new law.

Tesla is important because in many respects, it just might be the last
solely electric car company standing with the announcement that the much
hoped for Fisker Automotive has run into severe financial problems with
layoffs announced at two of their facilities. This, in spite of already
receiving $193 million of taxpayer funded loan out of a promised $529
million.

Fisker, which is developing another $100,000 car for the masses using
taxpayer dollars, is under Department of Energy scrutiny because they
have missed development and sales milestones. Ironically, the Fisker
vehicle is called the Karma.

The fallout of the pending Fisker failure is that taxpayer dollar funded
electric fuel cell developer A123 is now also in danger of failing due
to its reliance on their Fisker contract. For those without enough
taxpayer heartburn, A123 has received a cool $249 million from the Obama
Administration’s crack Energy Department venture socialism division.

But back to the brickworks at Tesla Corporation, the recipient of $465
million in taxpayer dollars from the Obama Administration, is attempting
to change the game by introducing a new vehicle model which can be
purchased for under $65,000.

Of course, the car still costs $40,000 to repair if you let the charge
run down, so buyer beware.

By the way, how many Tesla’s did the Obama Administration guess would be
produced and purchased by the ever environmentally concerned American
public in 2025?

31,974. That is a lot of very expensive bricks.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 1:54 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:56:59 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al

>
>
>
>
>
> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 22, 11:15 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
>
> >> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Absolutely not. Sissyro made the claim that "There is an independent ad
> >> >> featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had nothing to do with killing Osama Bin
> >> >> Laden." I called him on it for a cite and your provided one that was phony and
> >> >> had nothing to do with Seal Team 6.
>
> >> >The ad shows how
>
> >> A "ad" is worthless.
>
> >> ANYONE can "say" anything, (even under oath) and not be charged with a
> >> serious crime
>
> >The ad is awesome and is just another way BO is getting hammered. Look
> >at this from the AP:
>

> It's an AD.  It doesn't have to be true.

It is true. No one is disputing the fact that the President outed Seal
Team 6.

> Nor can you prove it's true.
> It's the same political smearing your idiots made famous.

>
> >> IOW, the fucking shit-boaters can SAY anything they want, and not be
> >> charged with a crime of lying or perjury
>
> >You're unraveling - which is expected. The point is that their message
> >is getting out there
>

> So lying is okay if a "message" gets out there?

What is the lie?

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 1:55 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:39:43 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al

>
> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >He's a Leftist hack that said things like you could go to Wikipedia to
> >see that we have Seal Teams but ignores that Obama named the team
> >specifically and that the press could figure out everything they
> >needed to know about the downed helicopter and how we got Osama.
>

> THere is no credible evidence to support any of your silly claims

Why don't you summarize Peter Bergen's points, right...

...Here ----->

> No matter how many times you make the claim---it cannot make it truth.

What is my claim?

[Billy Bob Marley]

On Aug 22, 6:08 pm, "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 22-Aug-2012, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote at alt.politics.elections:
>
> > alt.politics.media:93994
>
> > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> > <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> > >> <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >On Aug 21, 1:21 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> > >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> > >> >> <caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >On Aug 21, 12:00 pm, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:28 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> > >> >> ><caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> >On Aug 21, 9:54 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> > >> >> ><caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> >> >On Aug 21, 8:04 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al
> > >> >> ><caddyshack...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote:

>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >On Aug 21, 6:18 am, "Moder@tor" <Mo...@tor.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT), cicero venatio
> > >> >> ><jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>

> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >There is an independent ad featuring Seal Team 6 saying
> > >> >> >that Obama had

> > >> >> >nothing to do with

> > >> Absolutely not. Sissyro made the claim that "There is an independent ad
> > >> featuring Seal Team 6 saying that Obama had nothing to do with killing
> > >> Osama Bin
> > >> Laden." I called him on it for a cite and your provided one that was
> > >> phony and
> > >> had nothing to do with Seal Team 6.
>

> > >The ad shows how President Obama exposed Seal Team 6 and has put them
> > >personally at risk.
>

> > Which Peter Bergen pretty much blew out of the water. So much for a bunch

> > of
> > wannabes trying to Swift Boat Obama. Ain't gonna happen.
>

> > >David McCullough wrote a book on John Adams. Was
> > >that a fake too?
>
> > >> So who moved the goal posts? You, fool. Stay
> > >> on topic and post a valid cite or shut up.
>
> > >Current military is obligated to keep their mouths closed about the
> > >President otherwise they will be discharged. If current military
> > >personnel ganged up to overthrow the President that would be a coup.
>
> > That isn't just current military, it has been a rule forever. Don't speak
> > bad
> > about the commander-in-chief. That's why the Seal Team 6 would not be in
> > any ad,
> > stupid.
>

> > >The ad features former Navy Seals, former CIA operatives and other
> > >special forces who are saying that BO's politically motivated "leaks"
> > >put current personnel at risk.
>
> > None of which seem to have the balls to list their names on that phony web
> > site.
> > Might as well be Usenet and Spammy.
>

> > >It seems you want the current Seal Team to betray the President
> > >otherwise it’s meaningless.
>

> > Sissyro was the one who made the claim that Seal Team 6 was featured in a

> > new
> > ad, not me. And you posted the link to the phony web site. I've maintained
> > all
> > along it is all BS.
>

> > >*NEWS FLASH*
>
> > >The intelligence community and the military does not like liberals
> > >because liberals put our country and them personally at risk. Deal.
>
> > Gee, tell Panetta that.
>

> > >> >My reply:
>
> > >> >Do you remember in July when I challenged you to a wager and you were
> > >> >too chicken shit cowardly to accept it?
>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/e99f197d70eae4b0?...
>
> > >> Betting with an anonymous fool who doesn't even use his real name
> > >> online is a
> > >> fools game.
>
> > >OK then, dont' be a fool. Post your real name and address, right...
>
> > >...Here----->
>

> > >> Besides, I am not a betting man and it would never cross my mind to
> > >> bet on the winner of a US presidential race.
>
> > >You'll bluster about about how BO is the better candidate and how bad
> > >Romney is but won't put a paltry $20 on the line. Which is definition
> > >of, "All wind and no sail."
>

> > I've got way better things to do with my hard earned money than bet with

> > some
> > Usenet asshole who thinks he's God.
>

> > >> If such things get you off, you
> > >> should visit Vegas, there you can even bet if the sun will come up
> > >> tomorrow.
>
> > >I don't gamble.
>
> > Bwahahahahahahahahaha! What a fucking hypocrite. You offered to bet me.
> > You're a
> > worthless asshole, Al.
>

> > >Just offering a friendly wager which amounts to little
> > >more than a "lunch of congratulations" or "a little something for a
> > >charity" and some crowing rights. But more than that it's an
> > >opportunity for the loser to show that they have some character. I'm
> > >2:0 and neither liberal I've had these wagers with in the last 12
> > >years has paid up. I would be surprised if you did.
>

> > Since I won't bet with you, you will never know, will you? And I ain't a
> > lib.
>
> People who try to make those types of bets are gambling addicts. Their
> addiction has taken over their life and they are extremely baffled when the
> rest of the world doesn't play into their addiction. The only thing they
> then know how to do is resort to name calling and bullying remarks. All that
> does is show that they are uncivilized and lacking qualities such as honor
> and dignity and it also reflects poorly on their moral character.
>
> Only idiots partake in such bets and clearly Al fits in that category, which
> is the reason that he now languishes in my filters. And he really doesn't
> liike it when people don't play with him.

If you are so absolutely sure about obama winning the prize
you would have no problem betting a paltry $20.00
your eloquence is lost in your cowardice.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 3:14 pm, packet drop <U...@S.PL> wrote:
> On 8/22/2012 4:08 PM, Kirby Grant wrote:
>
> > Only idiots partake in such bets

What's the harm? Of course I'm coming from the perspective that $20
isn't a lot of money and will be my 3rd bet of the like in 12 years.

> Only idiots make public death threats like you have.

It's funny that he'll claim there is some kind of non-existant law
against making a bet and then he'll go off and threaten someone in
public.

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 4:59 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> Stomp, stomp,

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 5:00 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> Then he shouldn't

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 5:00 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> Like this?

[Turnbinado]

Unbalanced mentally, I predict he'll go postal soon...

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 6:59 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> It's fiction

[yogurt spank]

On 8/22/2012 6:59 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>

> Unprovable.

[Yer Pal Al]

On Aug 22, 5:59 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:05:12 -0700 (PDT), Yer Pal Al

>
> <caddyshack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It's an AD. It doesn't have to be true.
>
> >It is true. No one is disputing the fact that the President outed Seal
> >Team 6.
>

> THere is no evidence connecting it to some extraneous event.

The President said that Seal Team 6 took out bin Laden.

> It's fiction.

You have absolutely no clue what we are talking about.