Not A Unifer Or A Healer..
dkb
We must unify and let our voices be heard to fight
the bigoted attitudes that will flower under Governor
Bush until we can get him out of office. He is in by
treachery, but as the saying goes: fool me once,
shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
dkb
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock
desperation, "don't kill me."
- Bush mocking what Karla Faye Tucker said on
Larry King when asked, "What would you say to
Governor Bush?" prior to her execution by lethal
injection as reported by Talk magazine, September 1999
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
BY RON HAYES
Palm Beach Post
WEST PALM BEACH -- After their son, Matthew, was kidnapped, robbed and
beaten to death for being gay, Dennis and Judy Shepard received more then
100,000 expressions of sympathy and rage from around the world.
Saturday morning, as George W. Bush was being inaugurated as the country's
43rd president, Judy Shepard pondered the fate of a proposed bill that would
add people like Matthew Shepard, along with women and the disabled, to the
federal hate-crimes law.
``In all honesty,'' she said, ``I think all gay issues are just going to be
shelved for the duration of the Bush administration. In the past, our
problems have been with the Republican leadership. Now it's the executive
leadership.''
She spoke at The Anne Frank Experience, a monthlong series of lectures on
tolerance and diversity sponsored by the Jewish Community Center of the
Greater Palm Beaches.
On Oct. 6, 1998, Matthew Shepard was lured from a Laramie, Wyo., bar by two
young men who pretended to be gay. The University of Wyoming student, 21,
was driven to the edge of town, tied up and beaten with a handgun. He died
five days later.
Since her son's murder, Judy Shepard has become an outspoken advocate for
equal rights.
She has recorded a public service announcement seen frequently on MTV,
endorsed a documentary, Journey to a Hate-Free Millennium, and is currently
working with Goldie Hawn's production company on a docudrama about her son.
During the presidential election, Shepard recorded a radio ad in which she
asked the Republican candidate, ``Will you support including sexual
orientation in federal hate crimes law?''
Democratic candidate Al Gore supported the proposal. Bush has supported an
alternate version, sponsored by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, which does not
include sexual orientation.
If her son had been black, she said, the police would have received
additional money from Washington. Because he was gay, they didn't.
For the murder, Russell Henderson and Aaron McKinney, both 22, were
sentenced to life in prison, avoiding a death penalty at the Shepards'
request.
HARD_WIRED_
"dkb" <windri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> 1.21.01
>
> We must unify and let our voices be heard to fight
> the bigoted attitudes that will flower under Governor
> Bush until we can get him out of office. He is in by
> treachery, but as the saying goes: fool me once,
> shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
>
> dkb
Hate crime legislation is in and of itself discrimination. I dont believe
any law should be passed making it more of a crime to commit "an act of
crime" against one person in favor of another. Everyone should be morally
outraged about this fact.
Murder is murder. It doesnt matter what color you are, or if you are wearing
a police uniform, it is still a crime and should be punished equally.
WIRED
The Night Stalker
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>
> "dkb" <windri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:94g6ms$j...@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > 1.21.01
> >
> > We must unify and let our voices be heard to fight
> > the bigoted attitudes that will flower under Governor
> > Bush until we can get him out of office. He is in by
> > treachery, but as the saying goes: fool me once,
> > shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
> >
> > dkb
>
>
> Hate crime legislation is in and of itself discrimination. I dont believe
> any law should be passed making it more of a crime to commit "an act of
> crime" against one person in favor of another.
Its not. Its a special crime because a particular race was singled out for
the abuse. Most Repubs dont see a problem with abusing others that arent
like them. Most folks though find it distasteful and sickening. Dont
worry...AshKKKroft wont be prosecuting anyone that kicks a African Americans
ass simply because hes black.
Everyone should be morally
> outraged about this fact.
What everyone should be outraged about is that we need hate crime
legislation in the first place. Thanks to bigots, homophobes, assholes
etc., its become necessary to protect those that are unwitting targets of
other peoples hate simply because they are different. I would also wager if
some black guys (assuming you are white of course) kicked the shit out of
you simply because you were white that you would want them punished beyond
what may be only a simple assault in most cases right?
>
> Murder is murder. It doesnt matter what color you are, or if you are
wearing
> a police uniform, it is still a crime and should be punished equally.
I disagree. Hate crimes need to be separate. Its the continual bigotry
that has infested this country that brought it this far. I would also wager
that if your church got firebombed due to religious differences, you might
want them prosecuted on a Federal level right?
Stalker Steve
>
> WIRED
>
>
>
HARD_WIRED_
"The Night Stalker" <NoM...@thisTime.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Hate crime legislation is in and of itself discrimination. I dont
believe
> > any law should be passed making it more of a crime to commit "an act of
> > crime" against one person in favor of another.
>
> Its not. Its a special crime because a particular race was singled out
for
> the abuse. Most Repubs dont see a problem with abusing others that arent
> like them. Most folks though find it distasteful and sickening. Dont
> worry...AshKKKroft wont be prosecuting anyone that kicks a African
Americans
> ass simply because hes black.
>
It is not a "special" crime. It is a crime. (period) It doesnt matter why
the crime was commited, or if it was because someone was gay or black or
Asian. It is still a crime. Special laws protecting only certain people are
discriminatory.
>
> Everyone should be morally
> > outraged about this fact.
>
> What everyone should be outraged about is that we need hate crime
> legislation in the first place. Thanks to bigots, homophobes, assholes
> etc., its become necessary to protect those that are unwitting targets of
> other peoples hate simply because they are different. I would also wager
if
> some black guys (assuming you are white of course) kicked the shit out of
> you simply because you were white that you would want them punished beyond
> what may be only a simple assault in most cases right?
>
If I was attacked by blacks, mexicans, asians or whoever simply because I am
white, doesnt change the fact that it is already a crime, and they will be
delt with according to the law for commiting that crime. In the many years
past of this country it was a written law that if a black assaulted a white
it was grounds for a lynching. If a white assaulted a black, it was ignored.
This was called racism in those days, and the laws were taken from the
books. However we bring them back in the 90's and reverse the language and
its all for common good. That is bullshit. For info on past laws considered
to be racist, and stricken from the books go to the national archives
website, or library of congress.
> >
> > Murder is murder. It doesnt matter what color you are, or if you are
> wearing
> > a police uniform, it is still a crime and should be punished equally.
>
> I disagree. Hate crimes need to be separate. Its the continual bigotry
> that has infested this country that brought it this far. I would also
wager
> that if your church got firebombed due to religious differences, you might
> want them prosecuted on a Federal level right?
>
> Stalker Steve
If my church (and I dont have one currently) were firebombed, for religious
differences, the perpetrators would be punished according to current laws on
arson and destruction of property. My belief system is to forgive and pray
for those people that would do such a thing anyway. Special protection laws,
or hiring laws are discriminatory. Enforce the laws in place on an equel
basis for all those that commit crimes.
WIRED
CaptainKK
principles. As night Stalker illustrates, advocacy is based on feelings and
emotions. Therein lies so much of the differences between Republicans and
Democrats. Reps can't feel and Dems can't think.
The Night Stalker
>
> "The Night Stalker" <NoM...@thisTime.com> wrote in message
> news:1%Oa6.9367$Zc3.1...@typhoon.austin.rr.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Hate crime legislation is in and of itself discrimination. I dont
> believe
> > > any law should be passed making it more of a crime to commit "an act
of
> > > crime" against one person in favor of another.
> >
> > Its not. Its a special crime because a particular race was singled out
> for
> > the abuse. Most Repubs dont see a problem with abusing others that
arent
> > like them. Most folks though find it distasteful and sickening. Dont
> > worry...AshKKKroft wont be prosecuting anyone that kicks a African
> Americans
> > ass simply because hes black.
> >
>
>
> It is not a "special" crime. It is a crime. (period) It doesnt matter why
> the crime was commited, or if it was because someone was gay or black or
> Asian. It is still a crime. Special laws protecting only certain people
are
> discriminatory.
As a Peace Officer, Im protected by special laws. Some fire fighters are as
well. You being a Judge (an example) may have special laws as well. Its
not discrimination..its making it special for particular reasons. Its the
same reason that the Nazis were so hated..they wanted to exterminate all
other races but their own. Maybe we want to prevent that from ever
happening again?
>
>
> >
> > Everyone should be morally
> > > outraged about this fact.
> >
> > What everyone should be outraged about is that we need hate crime
> > legislation in the first place. Thanks to bigots, homophobes, assholes
> > etc., its become necessary to protect those that are unwitting targets
of
> > other peoples hate simply because they are different. I would also
wager
> if
> > some black guys (assuming you are white of course) kicked the shit out
of
> > you simply because you were white that you would want them punished
beyond
> > what may be only a simple assault in most cases right?
> >
>
>
> If I was attacked by blacks, mexicans, asians or whoever simply because I
am
> white, doesnt change the fact that it is already a crime, and they will be
> delt with according to the law for commiting that crime.
Here in Texas, some assaults are punishable by a ticket only. Is that fair
to you or other victims? Now, if the same assault occured to you because
you were black, this is more serious and should be dealt with accordingly
since it is a race bias crime. BTW, you can be a victim being white just as
easily as any other race.
In the many years
> past of this country it was a written law that if a black assaulted a
white
> it was grounds for a lynching.
Right..that was then and this is now.
If a white assaulted a black, it was ignored.
Today it would not be (based on race bias of course since that is what we
are discussing) . Matter of fact, you would have equality in the law at
that point. All race bias crimes are equal. IOW, assault under race bias
is assault under race bias regardless of the races involved.
> This was called racism in those days, and the laws were taken from the
> books. However we bring them back in the 90's and reverse the language and
> its all for common good. That is bullshit.
So when blacks, asians, homosexuals etc. are murdered, assaulted, their
homes burned down etc. for no other reason than skin color, religious
ideology, sexual preference etc., what do you suggest? I see your point,
but these crimes need to be addressed differently.
For info on past laws considered
> to be racist, and stricken from the books go to the national archives
> website, or library of congress.
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Murder is murder. It doesnt matter what color you are, or if you are
> > wearing
> > > a police uniform, it is still a crime and should be punished equally.
No. Someone that kills a police officer is a special kind of animal. They
fear nothing and thus are capable of anything. The DP, while often
ineffective, *is* a deterrent to killing an officer. Thats one example of a
special crime.
> >
> > I disagree. Hate crimes need to be separate. Its the continual bigotry
> > that has infested this country that brought it this far. I would also
> wager
> > that if your church got firebombed due to religious differences, you
might
> > want them prosecuted on a Federal level right?
> >
> > Stalker Steve
>
>
> If my church (and I dont have one currently) were firebombed, for
religious
> differences, the perpetrators would be punished according to current laws
on
> arson and destruction of property.
Here in Texas, they would also be charged with desecrating a place of
worship. Special crime again.
My belief system is to forgive and pray
> for those people that would do such a thing anyway.
Thats all fine and good, but it doesnt help much in the overall picture.
Special protection laws,
> or hiring laws are discriminatory. Enforce the laws in place on an equel
> basis for all those that commit crimes.
Stalker Steve
>
> WIRED
>
>
>
HARD_WIRED_
"The Night Stalker" <NoM...@thisTime.com> wrote in message
>
> As a Peace Officer, Im protected by special laws. Some fire fighters are
as
> well. You being a Judge (an example) may have special laws as well. Its
> not discrimination..its making it special for particular reasons. Its the
> same reason that the Nazis were so hated..they wanted to exterminate all
> other races but their own. Maybe we want to prevent that from ever
> happening again?
>
>
The Nazi's commited gross crimes against the world in the name of racial
supremecy, but everything they did was still a crime and punishable "in that
case" by the destruction of the Nazi's and the split of Germany. However you
cannot use the Nazi's and not wanting that to happen again as a reason to
pass and enforce "special" laws protecting certain color or class of
citizen. Especially when these laws are enforced primarily against white
attackers. Do you have statistics as to how many hate crimes were prosecuted
in your state and what color those persons who were prosecuted were?
You say you are a cop, and have special laws protecting you. I dont agree
with that either. Anyone commiting murder is a murderer, and not a special
class of murderer for the person he kills. Not ONE single person on this
planet is or should be made more valuable than another in the eyes of the
law. It doesnt matter what uniform you wear.
> Here in Texas, some assaults are punishable by a ticket only. Is that
fair
> to you or other victims? Now, if the same assault occured to you because
> you were black, this is more serious and should be dealt with accordingly
> since it is a race bias crime. BTW, you can be a victim being white just
as
> easily as any other race.
>
Why? Why should assault on "anybody" be treated as anything other than the
crime of assault? It makes no since at all. Perhaps you should lobby to have
the current punishments increased? I would still very much like to see the
stats as to the color of the prosecuted persons under hate crime legislation
in Texas. Im sure as a cop you have easy access to those numbers.
> In the many years
> > past of this country it was a written law that if a black assaulted a
> white
> > it was grounds for a lynching.
>
> Right..that was then and this is now.
>
>
> If a white assaulted a black, it was ignored.
>
> Today it would not be (based on race bias of course since that is what we
> are discussing) . Matter of fact, you would have equality in the law at
> that point. All race bias crimes are equal. IOW, assault under race bias
> is assault under race bias regardless of the races involved.
>
And exactly what is the basis for determining what is a race bias assault or
crime? What are the typical things that you look for? Is it just a judgement
call on the cop? If I were to attack a black in the heat of rage because he
scratched my car with a shopping cart, and in the course of that rage I
yelled racial slurs of every kind, would you consider that a "hate crime"?
As a teenager I did stupid things. I painted the swastika on cars and
houses, not because I hated Jews, but because it was a symbol of anarchy.
Would that be treated as a hate crime and not just destruction of property
and graffiti?
> > This was called racism in those days, and the laws were taken from the
> > books. However we bring them back in the 90's and reverse the language
and
> > its all for common good. That is bullshit.
>
> So when blacks, asians, homosexuals etc. are murdered, assaulted, their
> homes burned down etc. for no other reason than skin color, religious
> ideology, sexual preference etc., what do you suggest? I see your point,
> but these crimes need to be addressed differently.
>
What I suggest is that these people are arrested, convicted, and sentenced
for the crime that they commited. Perhaps we need to double the amount of
prison time for current laws. It still wont solve the problem of crime, or
change peoples attitudes, but neither will creating "new" hate crime
legislation. Hate crime legislation is the brain-child of "want to feel
good" politicians knowing full well that it wont deter the crime any more
than current laws do. A person capable of committing a crime is going to
commit that crime regardless of consequence. Getting caught is not an option
for them.
> > > > Murder is murder. It doesnt matter what color you are, or if you are
> > > wearing
> > > > a police uniform, it is still a crime and should be punished
equally.
>
> No. Someone that kills a police officer is a special kind of animal.
They
> fear nothing and thus are capable of anything. The DP, while often
> ineffective, *is* a deterrent to killing an officer. Thats one example of
a
> special crime.
>
Again why? If a person is capable of murder in the first place, do you
really and honestly believe that he would view a cop as any different than
anyone else he has murdered? He or "she" has no respect for life to begin
with. It doesnt make them a special kind of animal. It makes them a murderer
plain and simple. The life of a cop is in no way "more" valuable than my
life. You chose your line of work.
> Here in Texas, they would also be charged with desecrating a place of
> worship. Special crime again.
>
Not a special crime. Its a general crime. It covers every faith. It is
punished exactly the same in every instance no matter what the color or
creed of the perpetrator. It is a law with specifics correct? In other
words, If I were to burn a church down, I would be convicted of desecrating
a place of worship if found guilty of setting the fire, regardless of
weather or not it was an all white or all black church correct? Then again,
if it was indeed an all black church I would have the additional "hate
crime" thrown in, even with no solid evidence that I indeed committed the
crime because I hated blacks.
WIRED
The Night Stalker
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc97all.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hatecm.htm
http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/1999/11/19/hatecrimes1119_01.
html
http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/1999/11/19/hatereport1119_01.
html
http://www.texasnaacp.org/hatec.htm
http://www.capitoltimes.com/vol2/num50/nation1.cfm
Stalker Steve
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Paul
"Adore God. Reverence and cherish your parents. Love your neighbor
as yourself, and your country more than yourself. Be just. Be true.
Murmur not at the ways of Providence. So shall the life into which
you have entered, be the portal to one of eternal and ineffable
bliss." --Thomas Jefferson
Paul
people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them....
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish
it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...
For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the
protection of the Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other,
our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." --Declaration of
Independence
"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of
tyrants and patriots alike." --Thomas Jefferson ++ "If you love
wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than
the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not
your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye
were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams ++ A nation which can prefer
disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!"
--Alexander Hamilton ++ "They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--Benjamin Franklin ++ "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be
purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God,
I know not what course others may take, but give me liberty or give me
death!" -- Patrick Henry"
"This Constitution...shall be the supreme Law of the Land;
..Laws...to the Contrary notwithstanding... Legislatures, and all
executive and judicial Officers...shall be bound by Oath...to support
this Constitution...." --U.S. Constitution ++ "The enumeration in
the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or
disparage others retained by the people." --9th Amendment to the
United States Constitution. ++ "The powers not delegated to the
United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." --10th
Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Paul
Bill was feeling very depressed and walked into a bar and ordered a triple
scotch whiskey. As the bartender poured him the drink he remarked, "that's
quite a heavy drink. What's wrong?"
After quickly downing his drink, the Bill replied, "I got home and found my
wife having sex with my best friend."
"Wow" exclaimed the bartender, as he poured our EX-president a second
triple scotch.
"No wonder you needed a stiff drink. The second triple is on the house."
As the poor guy downed his free drink, the bartender asked him "What
did you do?"
"I walked over to Hillary," Bill replied, "looked her straight in the
eye and told her that we were through and to pack her stuff and to get the
hell out."
"That makes sense," said the bartender, "but what about your friend?"
The Bill replied, "I walked over to him, looked him right in the eye and
said, 'BAD DOG! BAD DOG!'"
Paul
declaration that unborn children are nothing more than political
fodder. Tens of thousands gathered in Washington for a solemn ceremony
to remember the 40 million children whose lives have been sacrificed
on the altar of convenience.
One of President Bush's first official acts was to reverse a Clinton
executive order and reinstate a prohibition on the use of U.S. tax
dollars to support international "family-planning" groups providing
abortions. The following is an excerpt from Mr. Bush's message to
those gathered on the Ellipse for the beginning of Sanctity of Life
Week:
"Two days ago, Americans gathered on the Washington Mall to celebrate
our nation's ideals. Today, you are gathered to remind our country
that one of those ideals is the infinite value of every life. I deeply
appreciate your message and your work. You see the weak and the
defenseless, and you try to help them. You see the hardship of many
young mothers and their unborn children, and you care for them both.
.. We share a great goal: to work toward a day when every child is
welcomed in life and protected in law. We know this will not come
easily, or all at once. But the goal leads us onward: to build a
culture of life, affirming that every person, at every stage and
season of life, is created equal in God's image. The promises of our
Declaration of Independence are not just for the strong, the
independent, or the healthy. They are for everyone -- including unborn
children. We are a society with enough compassion and wealth and love
to care for both mothers and their children, to seek the promise and
potential in every human life. I believe that we are making progress
toward that goal. I trust in the good hearts of Americans. ... All of
you marching today have never tired in a good cause. Thank you for
your conviction, your idealism, and your courage. May God bless you
all."
Paul
entirely on whether you are deemed 'progressive' (up to date) or
'reactionary' (attached to tradition). The 'progressive' forces want
to destroy freedom, yes, but their real goal is the destruction of
normal life itself. That's why they attach a sacramental importance to
abortion as well as to the filthiest couplings imaginable." --Joseph
Sobran
Paul
"I believe with all my heart that standing up for America means
standing up for the God who has so blessed our land. We need God's
help to guide our nation through stormy seas. But we can't expect Him
to protect America in a crisis if we just leave Him over on the shelf
in our day-to-day living." --Ronald Reagan
Paul
"We define a set of fairly simple catechisms, the first part of which
is we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.
These rights include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Government exists to secure these rights, not to deliver happiness."
--George Will
Paul
"John Ashcroft's public ordeal is almost over, and a good thing, too.
He promised to reinvent himself to bipartisan specifications, to leave
Roe v. Wade alone, to learn to hate guns and obey all laws dear to
Democratic hearts. ... Maybe with an evenly divided Senate boiling in
a climate of ideological intimidation and partisan terror, this is the
only way a man of conscience and character can assure himself of
confirmation by a Senate infested with moral frauds. It's
nevertheless enough to make an honorable man throw up, and a pity he
can't throw up on Chuck Schumer and Teddy Kennedy (who probably
wouldn't notice)."
Paul
Bill Clinton left the White House Saturday, but not before pardoning
or commuting the sentences of 140 convicts -- some of whom are
profiled below. To understand why Clinton would set a record for
pardons, consider another record set by his administration: 33
Clintonistas have been convicted of criminal activity, while 122 have
pleaded the Fifth Amendment or fled the country to avoid testifying.
Of the pardons, Clinton said, "The word 'pardon' is somehow almost a
misnomer. You're not saying these people didn't commit the offense.
You're saying they paid, they paid in full."
A prime example of someone who paid in full is billionaire Mark Rich,
whose former wife gave $1.3 million to the Clintonistas after her
husband fled to Switzerland to escape his conviction on 50 counts of
wire fraud, racketeering, trading with the enemy and evading more than
$48 million in income taxes -- crimes that could have earned him more
than 300 years in prison. (Just think, Rich's back taxes -- if only
collected -- could have paid for Robert Ray's investigation of
Clinton!)
And a sampling of others, according to the Associated Press:
William A. Borders Jr., the once-prominent Washington attorney and
former president of the National Bar Association, was convicted of
conspiracy along with then-U.S. District Judge Alcee L. Hastings in a
Miami racketeering case. While Hastings was acquitted, Borders was
sentenced to a five-year prison term and disbarred. Borders was also
held in contempt of court for refusing to testify during Hastings's
criminal and Senate impeachment trials.
Henry Cisneros, former housing secretary during Clinton's first term
before moving to Los Angeles to run Univision, the nation's largest
Spanish-language television network: In 1999, Cisneros pleaded guilty
to a misdemeanor after a four-year, $9 million probe into charges he
lied about payments to a former mistress.
Donald R. Clark, sentenced to life in prison in 1991 for his role in a
$30 million high-grade marijuana ring: Clark was one of the leaders in
a conspiracy to grow and sell "Myakka gold," an especially potent
marijuana grown on a 600-acre former sod and watermelon farm leased by
Clark in Myakka City, near Sarasota, Fla. More than 25 people,
including Clark's sons Duane and Gary, were indicted in the drug ring.
Roger Clinton, Bill Clinton's half brother, who pleaded guilty in a
1984 case to a charge of conspiracy to distribute a single gram of
cocaine, was sentenced to two years in prison, served more than a
year, and testified in other trials. The prosecutor was Asa
Hutchinson, who later was a U.S. House manager in Clinton's
impeachment. Bill Clinton told Hutchinson later that the drug
prosecution was "the best thing that ever happened" to his half
brother.
John Deutch, CIA director from May 1995 to December 1996, stored and
processed hundreds of files of highly classified material on
unprotected home computers that he and family members also used to
connect to the Internet, according to an internal CIA investigation.
Patricia Hearst, the newspaper heiress was kidnapped by radicals in
1974 and convicted of joining them in a San Francisco bank heist.
Billy Langston, sentenced to 30 years in prison in 1994 for conspiracy
to manufacture PCP: His sentence became a symbol for groups opposed to
mandatory federal sentencing standards.
Susan McDougal was a partner of Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton in the
Whitewater land development in northern Arkansas. She was convicted of
misusing proceeds from a federally backed loan and was jailed 18
months on a contempt of court citation for refusing to testify against
the Clintons before a Whitewater grand jury.
Samuel Loring Morison, employed at the Naval Intelligence Support
Center in Suitland, Md., from 1974 to 1984, was convicted of spying
for leaking intelligence photographs in 1984 to Jane's Defence Weekly,
a British military magazine. In a case that matched First Amendment
issues against national security concerns, Morison was the first
person convicted of espionage for furnishing classified data to a
journalist.
Robert W. Palmer, a Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to a felony
count of conspiracy to file false appraisals for Madison Guaranty
Savings and Loan of Little Rock, which was owned by James McDougal, a
former business partner of President Clinton. He was sentenced to a
year of home detention.
Stephen A. Smith, a University of Arkansas communications professor,
pleaded guilty in a Whitewater case to a misdemeanor count of
conspiring to misapply funds from a federally backed business loan of
$65,000.
Christopher V. Wade, a Whitewater real estate agent, admitted hiding
assets in a bankruptcy case and pleaded guilty to bankruptcy fraud and
submitting a false application to a bank, though the charges against
him were not related to the Whitewater development.
Garran Dee Barker, one of many Arkansas pardonees, convicted of
conspiracy to commit bank and wire fraud.
Harlan Richard Billings was convicted of conspiracy to possess with
intent to distribute in excess of 1,000 pounds of marijuana.
William Robert Carpenter was convicted of possession of marijuana with
intent to distribute.
Philip Vito DiGirolamo was convicted of conspiracy to import
marijuana, willfully subscribing to a false tax return.
Peter Welling Dionis was convicted of conspiracy, importation, and
possession with intent to distribute hashish.
Peter Bailey Gimbel was convicted of conspiracy to distribute cocaine.
Martin Joseph Hughes was convicted of aiding and abetting the
falsification of union records, aiding and assisting in the submission
of false tax records, making false statements to a government agency.
Daniel Wayne Keys was convicted of possession with intent to
distribute marijuana.
Larry Ray Killough was convicted of unlawful distribution of
prescription drugs.
Pierluigi Mancini Alpharetta was convicted of possession of cocaine
with intent to distribute.
Edward Francis McKenna III was convicted of possession with intent to
distribute anabolic steroids.
Andrew Kirkpatrick Mearns III was convicted of conspiracy to
distribute and possess with intent to distribute cocaine.
Philip James Morin was convicted of distribution of cocaine.
John Russell Raup was convicted of larceny of government property and
wrongful possession of marijuana.
David Ronald Chandler, at one point, was in line to be the first
person executed by the federal government since 1963. He was convicted
in 1991 of running a drug ring that trafficked marijuana from the
foothills of northeast Alabama and was condemned to death for ordering
the murder of an associate-turned-informant.
Dorothy Marie Gaines was convicted on conspiracy to possess with
intent to distribute, and possession with intent to distribute,
cocaine base.
Kemba Niambi Smith was convicted on conspiracy to distribute and
possess with intent to distribute cocaine and cocaine base, conspiracy
to engage in money laundering, making false statements to an agent of
the United States.
Jacob Elbaum was one of three men convicted in January 1999 of
stealing tens of millions of dollars in federal grants and loans to
finance a fictitious yeshiva in Brooklyn. The other two were also
released.
Arnold Paul Prosperi, a college friend of Bill Clinton and a
fund-raiser for him, was convicted of filing false tax returns and
scheming to steal millions from a client.
Melvin Reynolds, a Chicago Democrat, resigned from the House after
being convicted in 1995 of having sex with a teenager. He had more
than two years left to serve on a 6 1/2-year federal sentence imposed
after being convicted of lying to obtain loans and of illegally
diverting campaign money for personal use. He had previously served 2
1/2 years of a five-year state sentence for having sexual relations
with an underage campaign worker.
MEMO to Webster Hubbell: Sorry, you didn't make the cut!
Paul
Cattlegate
Nannygate
Helicoptergate
Haircutgate
Travelgate
Troopergate
Gennifer Flowersgate
Filegate
Vince Fostergate
I Wonder Where Those Whitewater Billing Records Came Fromgate
Joycelyn Eldersgate
Paula Jonesgate
Federal Building Campaign Phonecallgate
Lincoln Bedroomgate
White House Coffeegate
Drug Dealer Donationsgate
Buddhist Templegate
Web Hubbellgate
Lippogate
Chinesegate
Blame Kenneth Starrgate
Right-wing Conspiracygate
Zippergate
Lewinsky Jobsgate
Perjurygate
Kathleen Willeygate
Los Alamosgate
Wag-the-Doggate
Juanita Broaddrickgate
PBSgate
Bomb the Aspirin Factorygate
Eleanor Roosevelt's Ghostgate
Hillary's Memoir Advancegate
cubby...@aol.com
LongestpeacetimeprosperityinAmericanhistorygate
Loweringcrimerategate
Reducedunemploymentgate
rose...@rapidnet.com
Could you post ONE factually, evidentiary supported "crime" from that stupid
list?
Widdle Dubya
>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:06:55 -0800, "Paul" <lum...@lvcm.com> wrote:
>
>LongestpeacetimeprosperityinAmericanhistorygate
>Loweringcrimerategate
>Reducedunemploymentgate
boomingeconomythatsnowoverduetodubyagate
Wilhelmus Wallace
wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:13:52 GMT, cubby...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:06:55 -0800, "Paul" <lum...@lvcm.com> wrote:
>>
>>LongestpeacetimeprosperityinAmericanhistorygate
>>Loweringcrimerategate
>>Reducedunemploymentgate
>
>boomingeconomythatsnowoverduetodubyagate
Can you guys (or anyone else) please explain how Bill Clinton is
soloey or partly responsible for:
1. "The longest peace-time prosperity in American history"
2. "Lowering crime"
3. "Reducing unemployment rate"
4. "Booming economy"
Just because these may be characteristics of the America of 1992-2000
does not necessarily mean that the President should be praised.
"Every man dies, but not every man truly lives."
Paul
Lippogate! 8 million fine levied last week.
This month's "Legal Lotto" Award: "James Riady, the Indonesian
billionaire with close ties to Beijing's leaders, was allowed to plead
guilty to conspiracy to defraud the United States. One of his banks
will pay a fine of $8 million, to him a painless penalty. Because no
threat of jail hangs over the Clinton money man who evaded subpoenas
for almost five years, he is not induced to tell the whole truth about
his hugely successful purchase of White House influence. ...The
election law was broken, and the reluctant Justice Department had to
be hounded by a vigilant press and frustrated Congress into doing even
part of its duty. Riady's much-needed money passed and Clinton's
favors were done and American's Asian policies were changed. No
nostalgic spinning or pleas to move on will ameliorate that betrayal
of trust." --William Safire
What he was referring to:
Bill Clinton and Indonesia's Lippo Group's illegal one million dollar
contribution to his presidential campaign. You scratch my back and a few
years later President Bill ties up Escalante by making it a National
Monument. (A huge reserve of low sulfur coal in Utah, competition for
Indonesia's low sulfur coal).
Unless Bush can turn this around, you will be paying for this for a very
long time.
All for a lousy million bucks.
<rose...@rapidnet.com> wrote in message
news:3a6dd31b...@news.rapidnet.com...
Paul
with you that the Clinton administration was responsible for our good
fortune. Greenspan and the American innovators and workers are the ones you
want to thank. Likewise, you can thank Greenspan for the down turn we are
now trying to avoid.
<cubby...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Paul
leukemia. Although her heart was filled with sadness, she also had a strong
feeling of determination. Like any parent she wanted her son to grow up and
fulfill all his dreams. Now that was no longer possible.
The leukemia would see to that. But she still wanted her son's dreams to
come true. She took her son's hand and asked, "Billy, did you ever think
about what you wanted to be once you grew up? Did you ever dream and wish
what you would do with your life?" "Mommy, I always wanted to be a fireman
when I grew up." Mom smiled back and said, "Let's see if we can make your
wish come true." Later that day she went to her local fire department in
Phoenix, Arizona, where she met Fireman Bob, who had a heart as big as
Phoenix. She explained her son's final wish and asked if it might be
possible to give her six year old son a ride around the block on a fire
engine. Fireman Bob said, "Look, we can do better than that. If you'll
have your son ready at seven o'clock Wednesday morning, we'll make him an
honorary fireman for the whole day. He can come down to the fire station,
eat with us, go out on all the fire calls, the whole nine yards! "And if
you'll give us his sizes, we'll get a real fire uniform for him, with a real
fire hat -- not a toy one -- with the emblem of the Phoenix Fire Department
on it, a yellow slicker like we wear and rubber boots. They're all
manufactured right here in Phoenix, so we can get them fast." Three days
later Fireman Bob picked up Billy, dressed him in his fire uniform and
escorted him from his hospital bed to the waiting hook and ladder truck.
Billy got to sit on the back of the truck and help steer it back to the fire
station. He was in heaven. There were three fire calls in Phoenix that day
and Billy got to go out on all three calls. He rode in the different fire
engines, the paramedic's van, and even the fire chief's car. He was also
videotaped for the local news program.Having his dream come true, with all
the love and attention that was lavished upon him, so deeply touched Billy
that he lived three months longer than any doctor thought possible. One
night all of his vital signs began to drop dramatically and the head nurse,
who believed in the hospice concept that no one should die alone, began to
call the family members to the hospital. Then she remembered the day Billy
had spent as a fireman, so she called the Fire Chief and asked if it would
be possible to send a fireman in uniform to the hospital to be with Billy as
he made his transition. The chief replied, "We can do better than that.
We'll be there in five minutes. Will you please do me a favor? When you
hear the sirens screaming and see the lights flashing, will you announce
over the PA system that there is not a fire? It's just the fire department
coming to see one of its finest members one more time.
And will you open the window to his room?
About five minutes later a hook and ladder truck arrived at the hospital,
extended its ladder up to Billy's third floor open window and 16
firefighters climbed up the ladder into Billy's room. With his mother's
permission, they hugged him and held him and told him how much they loved
him. With his dying breath, Billy looked up at the fire chief and said,
"Chief, am I really a fireman now?" " Billy, you are," the chief said. With
those words, Billy smiled and closed his eyes one last time.
Widdle Dubya
(Wilhelmus Wallace ) wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:09:29 GMT, imana...@dubya.com (Widdle Dubya)
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:13:52 GMT, cubby...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:06:55 -0800, "Paul" <lum...@lvcm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>LongestpeacetimeprosperityinAmericanhistorygate
>>>Loweringcrimerategate
>>>Reducedunemploymentgate
>>
>>boomingeconomythatsnowoverduetodubyagate
>
>Can you guys (or anyone else) please explain how Bill Clinton is
>soloey or partly responsible for:
>
>1. "The longest peace-time prosperity in American history"
>2. "Lowering crime"
>3. "Reducing unemployment rate"
>4. "Booming economy"
>
>Just because these may be characteristics of the America of 1992-2000
>does not necessarily mean that the President should be praised.
To some degree, but not to the satisfaction of most. Actually, one
could always take the credit away from the one in charge and no one
could prove otherwise. For example:
Microsoft would be even bigger if I was running it instead of Bill
Gates.
The Vikings would have made it to the super bowl if I'd been the
coach.
Well, we'll never know, cause I wasn't the coach. Likewise, no one
could "prove" that Microsoft would not have been better off under my
command. As unlikely as that may be, it's still unprovable.
Slick Willy was the boss. The economy boomed, we were at peace and
unemployment was low. Had the economy gone in the toilet, we'd had
been at war and everyone was out of work, he'd of taken the heat.
Paul
Luis Gallardo
1) Got laid!
2) Stopped shop lifting
3) Started learning how to play the Cuatro guitar
4) Graduated
"Wilhelmus Wallace " <Bravehea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a6e0bbe...@news-server.optonline.net...
Paul
I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950 sq. ft
apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity bill rose
from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In the last
week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up $60. For sale
signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in droves.
Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp posts within
six months.
Wait until they wake up to Bill Clinton and Indonesia's Lippo Group's
illegal one million dollar contribution to his presidential campaign. You
scratch my back and a few years later President Bill ties up Escalante by
making it a National Monument. (A huge reserve of low sulfur coal in Utah,
competition for Indonesia's low sulfur coal). Bye, bye Boxer and gun toten
Feinstein.
Dwain Goforth
> FYI
>
> I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950 sq. ft
> apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity bill rose
> from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In the last
> week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up $60. For sale
> signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in droves.
> Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp posts within
> six months.
Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
>
>
> Wait until they wake up to Bill Clinton and Indonesia's Lippo Group's
> illegal one million dollar contribution to his presidential campaign. You
> scratch my back and a few years later President Bill ties up Escalante by
> making it a National Monument. (A huge reserve of low sulfur coal in Utah,
> competition for Indonesia's low sulfur coal). Bye, bye Boxer and gun toten
> Feinstein.
Yes, just what we need. Lets mine and log all the National Parks and Monuments
so we can compete with Indonesia. To compete fairly, though, we'll all have to
work for 30 cents an hour.
Johann von Tebbes
Johann von Tebbes
"Dwain Goforth" <dw...@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:3A6F28B6...@humboldt1.com...
> Paul wrote:
>
> > FYI
> >
> > I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950 sq. ft
> > apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity bill
rose
> > from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In the
last
> > week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up $60. For
sale
> > signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in droves.
> > Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp posts
within
> > six months.
>
> Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
Liberals definition:
Corporate extortion: Any company making a profit who furnishes jobs for
people and offers a product or service or does research in advances in
medicine, science, humanity, etc and tries to either keep the profits or
keep from going bankrupt or wants to grow so they can employ more people is
guilty of extortion. No entity should try to make a profit...it's obscene
and the American dream.....go figure.
jvt
Besq
Paul wrote:> FYI
>
> I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950 sq. ft
> apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity bill rose
> from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In the last
> week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up $60. For sale
> signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in droves.
> Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp posts within
> six months.Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
Dwain Goforth
You weren't reading. The fellow says his daughter's utility bill went from $35
to $135 for a 950 sq. ft. apartment.
How does a public utility (do we or do we not own the public resources?)
advance our medicine, science, humanity, etc. by extorting the public?
The State of California (i.e., the taxpayers) bailed out PG&E to the tune of
$90 million just the other year. We gave them exactly what they wanted. The
"environmentalists" have not stopped PG&E from building power plants. Name one
license that was denied because of environmentalists.
PG&E took the money and ran. Now they are shutting off everyone's electricity
at random, not because of of a lack of energy supply, but because they are
losing money!
When are your eyes going to open to the slavery you live under?
Dwain Goforth
> Dwain Goforth wrote:
>
>> Paul wrote:
>>
>> > FYI
>> >
>> > I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950
>> sq. ft
>> > apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity
>> bill rose
>> > from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In
>> the last
>> > week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up
>> $60. For sale
>> > signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in
>> droves.
>> > Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp
>> posts within
>> > six months.
>>
>> Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
>
> No, because during all their activism, they never offered an
> alternative. This is a good lesson to and about environmentalists, if
> you want to force change you'd better offer an attractive alternative
> or get lost. It will be a long while before anyone will listen to
> activists again. All that job creation, now undone. Tsk, tsk.
I have no power to *force* change. My attractive offer is to live within
your means, meaning stop wasting energy. We are the energy gluts of the
world, and it cannot remain this way for long. We are robbing our
children's resources for our greed now.
Activists are as activists do.
Want an alternative? Solar power cells. Ever hear of them? Of course, if
we went that way, then our energy needs would be totally decentralized,
and power brokers like PG&E couldn't make much profit.
Ever wonder why you can't go down to the hardware store and buy some
passive energy generators?
Did you know that the City of Los Angeles once had the world's largest
public rail transportation system? Not much money in that, I suppose.
Owen Richards
"Besq" <Besq*ns*@qwest.net> wrote in message news:3A6F5A73...@qwest.net...
Dwain Goforth wrote:Paul wrote:> FYI
>
> I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950 sq. ft
> apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity bill rose
> from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In the last
> week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up $60. For sale
> signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in droves.
> Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp posts within
> six months.Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
No, because during all their activism, they never offered an alternative. This is a good lesson to and about environmentalists, if you want to force change you'd better offer an attractive alternative or get lost. It will be a long while before anyone will listen to activists again. All that job creation, now undone. Tsk, tsk
>
>
> Wait until they wake up to Bill Clinton and Indonesia's Lippo Group's
> illegal one million dollar contribution to his presidential campaign. You
> scratch my back and a few years later President Bill ties up Escalante by
> making it a National Monument. (A huge reserve of low sulfur coal in Utah,
> competition for Indonesia's low sulfur coal). Bye, bye Boxer and gun toten
> Feinstein.
Besq
There you have it. Power companies stifled the developement of affordable
solar technology. It is available but the expense is prohibitive. You bet
the power companies would lose big bucks to solar. Now's the time for solar
to take off. Enough people get involved and the cost will come down and its
high time. I would switch in a minute. The environmentalists would love it
too.
Paul
Paul
prices they will be. I don't want to pay these prices! The Hindenberg crash
scared our fathers away from clean hydrogen fuel. Ignorance scared us away
from cheap environmentally friendly nuclear power. Cold fusion is coming
along, but it still is a way off. Damn the tree huggers!news:3A6F6E00...@humboldt1.com...
> Besq wrote:
>
> > Dwain Goforth wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > FYI
> >> >
> >> > I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950
> >> sq. ft
> >> > apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity
> >> bill rose
> >> > from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In
> >> the last
> >> > week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up
> >> $60. For sale
> >> > signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in
> >> droves.
> >> > Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp
> >> posts within
> >> > six months.
> >>
> >> Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
> >
Paul
remember, but what they did was constantly change the regulations during
construction. One step forward two steps back. Tear it down and start over
get very expensive. OOPS, move that building. I saw a butterfly over here!news:3A6F6C15...@humboldt1.com...> > news:3A6F28B6...@humboldt1.com...
> > > Paul wrote:
> > >
> > > > FYI
> > > >
> > > > I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950 sq.
ft
> > > > apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity bill
> > rose
> > > > from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In the
> > last
> > > > week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up $60.
For
> > sale
> > > > signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in droves.
> > > > Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp posts
> > within
> > > > six months.
> > >
> > > Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
> >
Paul
even close, sorry no time to check spelling). Anyway, for the last 200 years
the many "enlightened" scholars said he never existed. Well guess what,
archeologists found his tomb 6 years ago. Tremendous find, very unreported.
"Steve" <mc...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3A6EE175...@usa.net...
>
>
> The Night Stalker wrote:
>
> > > Easy... you want no higher authority other than man, because if there
is,
> > you
> > > may have to admit that the views and values your parents taught you
were
> > wrong,
> > > they were wrong and subsequently you are wrong. Someone you disagree
with
> > was
> > > right and you may have to swallow your pride.
> >
> > LOL...Buddy, as a PO, I swallow pride all day long. I see no proof
> > whatsoever of a God though. I bleieve that man is responsible for his
own
> > actions and their inaction or action is only punishable by other men.
It
> > has nothing to do with shame or pride. It has everything to do with
> > reality.
>
> At least you believe man is responsible for their own action or inaction.
> However it is punishable by God. Yes, it does have everything to do with
> reality.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Perhaps you should answer my very valid questions. WHERE WAS GOD?
> > >
> > > He was right there the whole time.
> >
> > watching the slaughter of innocents? How cruel. Why wouldnt he want to
> > stop it? What did those children and people do to deserve to die in
that
> > manner when your all powerful god could have stopped it?
> >
>
> Yes he was there. He does not stop those things because man is responsible
for
> bringing sin into the world in the first place, there is a price to be
paid.
> Tough love maybe?
>
> > >
> > > > Im not the one believing in non existent beings, magic, miracles and
> > other
> > > > feats of fantasy.
> > >
> > > On the contrary, you believe in nothingness...
> >
> > No, I believe in reality. I believe in the tangible, the evidence, the
> > facts. Religion has none of this.
>
> Many ancient artifacts have been uncovered in recent years that are
beginning to
> prove the bible is indeed rooted in fact. How do you know you have any
family
> that lived before you were born? They are not there now... just old fables
and
> possibly pieces of paper claiming they existed. There is no reality, no
> evidence, nothing tangible. Could it be that since you exist, they MUST
> have?????
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > Why do I need to take a test...God already knows how Im going to do
> > > > remember?
> > >
> > > But you don't do you?
> >
> > Of course. I was raised to know right from wrong and I put those tests
to
> > use every day.
>
> But you do not know exactly how you will behave if given certain
situations
>
> >
> > >
> > > > An F huh?
> > >
> > > Yup
> > >
> > > > So youre god now?
> > >
> > > Didn't say I was
> >
> > You made the statement as if you know how your god would judge.
>
> Yes, I know the standards. If I get a traffic ticket, I can be pretty sure
what
> the judge will do with reasonable certainty, and so can a spectator... but
you
> never know for sure until he speaks.
>
> > >
> > > > Who are you to judge me?
> > >
> > > God will judge you, I'll have enough explaining to do myself
> >
> > There is no god, no santa claus and no tooth fairy
>
> At least you got 2 out of 3, it shows at least some effort.
>
> >
> > > I did answer your questions, but some of them you have to answer
yourself.
> > I'm
> > > not the one hung up on a fable, you have been seriously misled
however.
> >
> > I havent been misled at all.
>
> Unfortunately you have, so very well that you don't even know it.
>
> > On the contrary, Im so very free. I know good
> > and bad, right and wrong etc. and I have the absolute freedom of
thought,
> > act and belief.
>
> So do I, it's a matter of what you choose do do with it that makes the
> difference.
>
> > You on the other hand are a slave to an ancient ghost and
> > mythological beings with no basis in fact.
>
> I'm not a slave at all, I choose to do things out of my own free will.
>
Dwain Goforth
> Ignorance scared us away
> from cheap environmentally friendly nuclear power. Cold fusion is coming
> along, but it still is a way off. Damn the tree huggers!
"Environmentally friendly nuclear power." I like that. Warm and cuddly.
Here's a response from Seattle,
"How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange
to us.
If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how
can you buy them?
Every part of this earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle,
every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every clearing and humming
insect is holy in the memory and experience of my people. The sap which
courses through the trees carries the memories of the red man.
The white man’s dead forget the country of their birth when they go to walk
among the stars. Our dead never forget this beautiful earth, for it is the
mother of the red man. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The
perfumed flowers are our sisters; the deer, the horse, the great eagle, these
are our brothers. The rocky crests, the juices in the meadows, the body heat
of the pony, and man--all belong to the same family.
So, when the Great Chief in Washington sends words that he wishes to buy our
land, he asks much of us. The Great Chief sends word he will reserve us a
place so that we can live comfortably to ourselves. He will be our father and
we will be his children.
So we will consider your offer to buy our land. But it will not be easy. For
this land is sacred to us. This shining water that moves in the streams and
rivers is not just water but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you land,
you must remember that it is sacred, and you must teach your children that it
is sacred and that each ghostly reflection in the clear water of the lakes
tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water’s murmur is
the voice of my father’s father.
The rivers are our brothers, they quench our thirst. The rivers carry our
canoes, and feed our children. If we sell you our land, you must remember, and
teach your children, that the rivers are our brothers and yours, and you must
henceforth give the rivers the kindness you would give any brother.
We know that the white man does not understand our ways. One portion of land
is the same to him as the next, for he is a stranger who comes in the night and
takes from the land whatever he needs. The earth is not his brother, but his
enemy, and when he has conquered it, he moves on. He leaves his father’s grave
behind, and he does not care. He kidnaps the earth from his children, and he
does not care. His father’s grave, and his children’s birthright are
forgotten. He treats his mother, the earth, and his brother, the sky, as
things to be bought, plundered, sold like sheep or bright beads. His appetite
will devour the earth and leave behind only a desert.
I do not know. Our ways are different from your ways. The sight of your
cities pains the eyes of the red man. There is no quiet place in the white
man’s cities. No place to hear the unfurling of leaves in spring or the rustle
of the insect’s wings. The clatter only seems to insult the ears. And what is
there to life if a man cannot hear the lonely cry of the whippoorwill or the
arguments of the frogs around the ponds at night? I am a red man and do not
understand. The Indian prefers the soft sound of the wind darting over the
face of a pond and the smell of the wind itself, cleansed by a midday rain, or
scented with pinyon pine.
The air is precious to the red man for all things share the same breath, the
beast, the tree, the man, they all share the same breath. The white man does
not seem to notice the air he breathes. Like a man dying for many days he is
numb to the stench. But if we sell you our land, you must remember that the
air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life it
supports.
The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also receives his last
sigh. And if we sell you our land, you must keep it apart and sacred as a
place where even the white man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by
the meadow’s flowers.
You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes
of our grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children
that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children that we
have taught our children that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the
earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit
upon themselves.
This we know: the earth does not belong to man; man belongs to the earth. All
things are connected. We may be brothers after all. We shall see. One thing
we know which the white man may someday discover: our god is the same god.
You may think now that you own him as you wish to own our land; but you
cannot. He is the god of man, and his compassion is equal for the red man and
the white. This earth is precious to him, and to harm the earth is to heap
contempt on its creator. The whites too shall pass; perhaps sooner than all
other tribes. Contaminate your bed and you will one night suffocate in your
own waste.
But in your perishing you will shine brightly fired by the strength of the god
who brought you to this land and for some special purpose gave you dominion
over this land and over the red man.
That destiny is a mystery to us, for we do not understand when the buffalo are
all slaughtered, the wild horses are tame, the secret corners of the forest
heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills blotted by
talking wires.
Where is the thicket? Gone. Where is the eagle? Gone.
The end of living and the beginning of survival."
- - - - -
Damn those tree huggers.
Dwain Goforth
> I lived in California for 51 years. They denied only four plants that I can
> remember, but what they did was constantly change the regulations during
> construction. One step forward two steps back. Tear it down and start over
> get very expensive. OOPS, move that building. I saw a butterfly over here!
Yes, I'm sure you remember exactly how it was.
I've only lived in California 48 years. I like butterflies. Which one are you
talking about?
Besq
That is beautiful Dwain, and too true. Thanks for sharing it with us. Its a
keeper.
Paul
Paul
work into you emotional little poem the fact that nature can't supply the
needs of the human population. Human manipulation of nature accomplishes
this. Besides helpless little babies, and those on home life support, who do
you want to kill. Damn tree hugger!news:3A70B18A...@qwest.net...
Dwain Goforth
> Bet the folks in California wish they were warm and cuddly! See if you can
> work into you emotional little poem the fact that nature can't supply the
> needs of the human population.
Of course, not. And if it wasn't for the environmentalists, we could have gotten
rid of the environment years ago! All those millions of people living off the
land for tens of thousands of years, growing healthy food in rich soil. What
were they thinking!
> Human manipulation of nature accomplishes
> this.
And we'll strap her down and have our way with her. And we're such geniuses that
she won't feel a thing. Want a little nature? Well, there's always TV shows to
watch. I hear you can buy bottled air in Japan now.
> Besides helpless little babies, and those on home life support, who do
> you want to kill.
I get it now, every little baby needs their own warm and cuddly nuclear power
plant. Can't have Mother Nature involved. Overpopulation, pollution, famine, war
and pestilence. Who cares? We'll have our own personal life support systems.
What me worry? Damn those extinctions, full speed ahead! Biological carrying
capacity, what is that, some kind of pinko environmentalist socialist program?
Paul, I think you've been eating too many Twinkies. Try some healthy food from
the Earth.
> Damn tree hugger!
When tree hugging is outlawed, only outlaws will hug trees :)
>
> "Besq" <Besq*ns*@qwest.net> wrote in message
Paul
off point for abortion? It's scientifically accepted that that embryonic age
is 12 weeks. You ‘anything goes’ dirt bags make me sick. Women’s
rights...kiss my ass. Murderous bastards! How about open season on stupid
small minded people that can’t see beyond their own selfish wants. Their
narrow minds can’t see the consequences to the society that they and their
children, that they allowed to live, will have to cope with. They can
justify anything. Keep your distance from these scum bags! If your married
to one, get rid of it you might wake up minus a cock or suddenly develop
some strange tropical disease! Remember the father who’s 8 year old daughter
was raped and killed in that Nevada casino. When told of her murder he told
the pit boss that if they gave him $100 he wouldn’t sue the casino. He was
out of bucks and wanted to gamble some more. Life’s cheap and getting
cheaper. What do your expect when mummy kills baby sister. Fucking idiots!
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2...@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:E8FE07EAF320E729.45C97A42...@lp.airnews.net...>
In article <3A71037D...@flash.net>, David Maynard
<mayNO...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> }
> }The idea that emergence from the womb all of a sudden bestows
> }'humanness' is about as non-scientific as one can get.
> }
> }I can show you brain wave activity, voluntary movement, cognisence,
> }stimulus recogniztion, and a host of other factors demonstrating 'human'
> }activity long before then.
> }
>
> If birth is not your cutoff point for life
> vs embyo vs zygote, then what is?
Paul
Paul
Paul
cost to the taxpayor. Maybe because their motivation is not just high paying
jobs for there cronies.
ps
>
> It's official now. Bush wants to give billions of
> our tax dollars to the recruiting arms of church
> organizations he and they call "faith based
> organizations."
>
>
>
Paul
Paul
"The Night Stalker" <NoM...@thisTime.com> wrote in message
news:Om4b6.11167$k%.1658208@typhoon.austin.rr.com...
>
> HARD_WIRED_ <hard_...@hard.com> wrote in message
> news:Eh%a6.4838$nn4.1...@ralph.vnet.net...
> >
> > "The Night Stalker" <NoM...@thisTime.com> wrote in message
> > news:1%Oa6.9367$Zc3.1...@typhoon.austin.rr.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hate crime legislation is in and of itself discrimination. I dont
> > believe
> > > > any law should be passed making it more of a crime to commit "an act
> of
> > > > crime" against one person in favor of another.
> > >
> > > Its not. Its a special crime because a particular race was singled
out
> > for
> > > the abuse. Most Repubs dont see a problem with abusing others that
> arent
> > > like them. Most folks though find it distasteful and sickening. Dont
> > > worry...AshKKKroft wont be prosecuting anyone that kicks a African
> > Americans
> > > ass simply because hes black.
> > >
> >
> >
> > It is not a "special" crime. It is a crime. (period) It doesnt matter
why
> > the crime was commited, or if it was because someone was gay or black or
> > Asian. It is still a crime. Special laws protecting only certain people
> are
> > discriminatory.
>
> As a Peace Officer, Im protected by special laws. Some fire fighters are
as
> well. You being a Judge (an example) may have special laws as well. Its
> not discrimination..its making it special for particular reasons. Its the
> same reason that the Nazis were so hated..they wanted to exterminate all
> other races but their own. Maybe we want to prevent that from ever
> happening again?
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Everyone should be morally
> > > > outraged about this fact.
> > >
> > > What everyone should be outraged about is that we need hate crime
> > > legislation in the first place. Thanks to bigots, homophobes,
assholes
> > > etc., its become necessary to protect those that are unwitting targets
> of
> > > other peoples hate simply because they are different. I would also
> wager
> > if
> > > some black guys (assuming you are white of course) kicked the shit out
> of
> > > you simply because you were white that you would want them punished
> beyond
> > > what may be only a simple assault in most cases right?
> > >
> >
> >
> > If I was attacked by blacks, mexicans, asians or whoever simply because
I
> am
> > white, doesnt change the fact that it is already a crime, and they will
be
> > delt with according to the law for commiting that crime.
>
> Here in Texas, some assaults are punishable by a ticket only. Is that
fair
> to you or other victims? Now, if the same assault occured to you because
> you were black, this is more serious and should be dealt with accordingly
> since it is a race bias crime. BTW, you can be a victim being white just
as
> easily as any other race.
>
> In the many years
> > past of this country it was a written law that if a black assaulted a
> white
> > it was grounds for a lynching.
>
> Right..that was then and this is now.
>
>
> If a white assaulted a black, it was ignored.
>
> Today it would not be (based on race bias of course since that is what we
> are discussing) . Matter of fact, you would have equality in the law at
> that point. All race bias crimes are equal. IOW, assault under race bias
> is assault under race bias regardless of the races involved.
>
>
> > This was called racism in those days, and the laws were taken from the
> > books. However we bring them back in the 90's and reverse the language
and
> > its all for common good. That is bullshit.
>
> So when blacks, asians, homosexuals etc. are murdered, assaulted, their
> homes burned down etc. for no other reason than skin color, religious
> ideology, sexual preference etc., what do you suggest? I see your point,
> but these crimes need to be addressed differently.
>
>
> For info on past laws considered
> > to be racist, and stricken from the books go to the national archives
> > website, or library of congress.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Murder is murder. It doesnt matter what color you are, or if you are
> > > wearing
> > > > a police uniform, it is still a crime and should be punished
equally.
>
> No. Someone that kills a police officer is a special kind of animal.
They
> fear nothing and thus are capable of anything. The DP, while often
> ineffective, *is* a deterrent to killing an officer. Thats one example of
a
> special crime.
>
> > >
> > > I disagree. Hate crimes need to be separate. Its the continual
bigotry
> > > that has infested this country that brought it this far. I would also
> > wager
> > > that if your church got firebombed due to religious differences, you
> might
> > > want them prosecuted on a Federal level right?
> > >
> > > Stalker Steve
> >
> >
> > If my church (and I dont have one currently) were firebombed, for
> religious
> > differences, the perpetrators would be punished according to current
laws
> on
> > arson and destruction of property.
>
> Here in Texas, they would also be charged with desecrating a place of
> worship. Special crime again.
>
> My belief system is to forgive and pray
> > for those people that would do such a thing anyway.
>
> Thats all fine and good, but it doesnt help much in the overall picture.
>
> Special protection laws,
> > or hiring laws are discriminatory. Enforce the laws in place on an equel
> > basis for all those that commit crimes.
>
> Stalker Steve
>
>
> >
> > WIRED
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Paul
Should the ability to feel pain be the cutoff point for abortion?
Paul
Paul
"...We shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who
presides over the destinies of nations...." --Patrick Henry
Paul
Teddy in 1974: "Do we operate under a system of equal justice where
there is one system for the average citizen and another for the high
and mighty?"
Did somebody mention Chappaquiddick?
Some conservatives have criticized Mr. Ashcroft for not defending
himself and exercising his considerable intellect to cut down Kennedy
and his cronies, but, as a wise man once advised, "You shouldn't swap
spit with a jackass." And Kennedy is the biggest of Demo mascots.
Paul
prosecutors to prevent his indictment for perjury. You may recall that
in Clinton's efforts to defend himself from one of his sexual
offendees, Ms. Paula Jones, he lied about "sexual relations" with
another female subordinate, testimony which would have corroborated
Ms. Jones's sexual harassment accusations.
In his plea bargain, Clinton said, "I tried to walk a fine line
between acting lawfully and testifying falsely, but I now recognize
that I did not fully accomplish this goal and am certain my responses
to questions about Ms. Lewinsky were false." In other words, he lied
and got caught. As a result, he surrendered his law license for five
years and agreed to pay a $25,000 fine.
Of Clinton's admission, Former Independent Counsel Ken Starr observed,
"It obviously would have been far better, less expensive, less
divisive, if his acknowledgement [that he lied under oath] would have
come...much earlier, say, in January of 1998. But better late than
never...."
Paul
reform proposals over to Congress, where the tax measure has already
found a Democrat sponsor. Based on his accomplishments this first week
in office, we now suspect that Mr. Bush's dyslexia caused him to claim
he was a "uniter" when he meant to say, "untier." His first official
act as president was to untie many of Bill Clinton 11th-hour executive
orders and other Sociocrat regulatory shenanigans. He is going to
untie some of the IRS's claims on our income. He is going to untie
some of the Left's claims on the government schools dumbing-down
American children.
On his agenda Mr. Bush said, "I wish I could say it was my charming
personality or the ability to string a couple sentences together. The
truth of the matter is I'm sitting here because I took firm positions
on important issues and didn't back off. And I'm not backing off....
Quite the contrary."
On restoring honor and integrity to the White House Mr. Bush
admonished his staff: "I expect every member of this administration to
stay well within the boundaries that define legal and ethical conduct.
This means checking, and if need be, double-checking, that the rules
have been obeyed. This means never compromising those rules. As we go
about our work, there is no excuse for arrogance and never a reason
for disrespect toward others. You will be the face and voice of the
White House staff. You will be my representative. I expect each of
you, as an official of this administration, to be an example of
humility and decency and fairness. ...[W]e are here for a reason...to
make progress, not just to mark time. ... I want it said at the end of
our service that promises made were promises kept."
(Speaking of PRESIDENT Bush, The Federalist previously reported that
the Palm Beach Post had recounted Miami-Dade County's ballots and
found, in fact, that Mr. Bush GAINED a few votes. Now comes word from
the Naples Daily News that after examining their region's ballots
under the "permissive standards" demanded by team Goron, Mr. Bush
would have picked up an additional 226 votes.)
While Mr. Bush's legislative agenda was progressing on Capitol Hill,
he also got Senate approval for 12 of his Cabinet nominees and
appointees. But the "religious profiling" and ridicule of John
Ashcroft continued as Teddy Kennedy et al. extended his pillory for
another week. Headlining the Leftist's complaints were Mr. Ashcroft's
1997 remarks that Americans should end "judicial tyranny" by "asking
ourselves why modern judicial activism exists in the first place.
Could it be that we have been lax in demanding that judges place our
constitutional rights before their policy objectives? Could it be we
have failed to reject judges who are willing to place their private
preferences above the people's will?"
Of course, there are some openings in the Demos' front line. Sen. Russ
Feingold said, "A Democratic president ought to be able to appoint to
the Cabinet principled people of strong progressive or even liberal
ideology. And therefore a Republican president ought to be able to
appoint people of strong conservative ideology."
In other news, William "Slick" Clinton cut a deal with federal
Former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh added, "Much about the Clinton
presidency was obscured by his seemingly effortless maneuvering around
the notion that there are fixed and immutable principles of right and
wrong that should govern public and private conduct. The
ex-president's farewell performance was entirely in character in this
respect. History will not overlook it."
The Washington Times concluded, "At this late date it's more than a
little tempting to heed what are probably the most significant words
of the Clinton years: It's time to move on." That was seconded by the
Wall Street Journal: "The reaction to Independent Counsel Robert Ray's
plea bargain with Bill Clinton seems to be a collective sigh of relief
that we can now put the Clinton era behind us." However, the Journal
added, "The only problem is that [Clinton] has no such intention."
Indeed, listening to the last of his 500 farewell speeches, one is
left with confirmation of what we have known all along -- Clinton is
going to serve as president in absentia. In his final remarks from
Andrews AFB prior to departing on Air Force One for his "home state"
of New York, Clinton said, "I left the White House, but I'm still
here. We're not going anywhere." For the record, the Washington
residence he will share with his estranged wife, Sen. HILLARY!, is
only a few blocks from the White House.
Clinton's former chief of staff Leon Panetta clarified his old boss's
comments about being "still here": "It's not that he'll speak out on
every issue that George Bush is dealing with, but I think on the big
issues, whether it's foreign affairs or the economy, that are really
important to Bill Clinton, he is going to let the American people know
what he thinks."
What a relief!
Of course, Clinton's final words from Andrews were: "As for me, I'll
leave the presidency...more confident than ever that America's best
days lie ahead." On this point, we agree.
(By the way, the Air Force informs The Federalist that upon arrival in
New York, Air Force One had been stripped of many presidential
appointments, including porcelain china, silverware, salt and pepper
shakers, towels and linens -- all bearing the presidential seal.)
And a final note about the endless farewells.... Chicago Mayor Richard
Daley, brother of Gore's campaign chair, William Daley, criticized
Clinton's departure fanfare, saying, "In the past, they shook hands,
the [former] president went to a helicopter, and that was it. This was
different. He had a rally at the airport, a rally in New York and a
rally at his home. That's his style. He wanted two or three more
parties. You have to respect the office. That was President Bush's
day. It wasn't Clinton's day or Al Gore's day."
In other oversexed adolescent cockroach news, 48 hours after
announcing that he was "taking some time off to revive my spirit and
reconnect with my family," Jesse Jackson returned to public life,
saying, "The ground is no place for a champion. ... I'll develop a
rhythm that allows me to focus on family and...the [social justice]
battlefield." He is invoking the "Murphy Brown" defense.
We are shocked, SHOCKED, to report that the media talking heads have
not treated Jackson's indiscretion with the same "journalistic
objectivity" afforded equally dubious religious provocateurs Jimmy
Swaggart and Jim Bakker.
Of Jackson's "rhythm," Holman Jenkins writes, "Jesse Jackson's sin may
have lacked the sheer cruddiness of Bill Clinton's. He may have owned
up to it manfully. But the reverend's greatest innovation will
probably turn out to have been his pioneering use of drive-by penance.
Having dropped out of public life on Thursday, he began dropping back
in on Saturday. ... The public knows him as a civil rights agitator,
preacher and presidential candidate. But the history books may
remember him as the impresario of a great bazaar, offering Corporate
America racial protection in exchange for financial opportunities for
the black entrepreneurs and professionals who make up his personal
network."
And speaking of cockroaches, Al Gore is looking for a new line of work
that will not impede his Gore2004 election campaign. He has accepted
an offer to teach a journalism class at Columbia University. The
course is reportedly entitled, "How My Media Failed Me." Actually, the
course's real name is humorous enough: "Covering National Affairs in
the Information Age." Wasn't "covering national affairs" Clinton's
forte? This from the guy who "invented the Internet" and went months
in the heat of his presidential campaign last year without giving a
single press conference.
Gore should teach a second course entitled, "How to Trash the Incoming
Veep's Offices."
When Vice President Cheney's staff showed up to occupy their offices
in the White House, they found the place vandalized by the former
tenants and left in shambles. Phone lines were cut, and those that did
work greeted callers with obscene voice mail messages. Desks and file
cabinets were upturned in heaps in the middle of staff meeting rooms,
and trash was strewn over the floors. Printers were spiked with
pornography. The letter "W" was removed from most keyboards and
reattached upside down with superglue. Estimated cost of damages:
$250,000.
But....they are gone!
Quote of the week...
"We are guided by a power larger than ourselves, Who created us equal
in his image. ... Abandonment and abuse are not acts of God, they are
failures of love. ... Church and charity, synagogue and mosque, lend
our communities their humanity, and they will have an honored place in
our plans and laws. ... Sometimes in life we are called to do great
things. But as a saint of our times has said, every day we are called
to do small things with great love." --George W. Bush in his
inaugural.
News from the Swamp...
In the upper chamber of the people's legislature, Demo Sen. Zell
Miller joined Sen. Phil Gramm as cosponsor to President Bush's
10-year, $1.6 trillion tax-cut plan. At present, Demo support is
gaining momentum and the cut may even get larger....
Regarding your IRS overpayment...
White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer had a few words about Mr.
Bush's tax reform: "Get used to it, Washington. President Bush does
not believe that all money belongs to the government, and the people
get to keep what the government lets them. The government gets to keep
what the people let the government receive. It's going to be a sea
change, and he's proud to lead it."
(Regarding your IRS overpayment, "John Stossel Goes to Washington"
airs Saturday, January 27, at 10pm EST on ABC. We suggest our readers
tune in for a brief review of how your money is being spent.)
From the states...
Regarding our comments about the energy crisis in the People's
Republic of California, readers have asked for a basic explanation of
the problem. To wit: Four years ago, California "deregulated" energy
by freeing prices at the wholesale level while freezing them at the
retail level and providing consumers no lasting choice or competition
(among what had previously been monopoly energy retailers).
"Deregulation" also separated the functions of "power provider" from
"power generator," which had before been joined in the regional
monopoly companies regulated by the state of California -- and which
had been quite profitable. "Deregulation" had further promised
individual energy customers a choice among "providers" ... which
never really materialized.
But anyone who completed Economics 101 knows that pricing under such
conditions is dictated by the "providers" buying for the retail
market, who offered consumers no information or incentives they could
use to lower their energy bills. Power "providers" were paying $200
per megawatt hour to generators, some of which they used to own,
though they were only able to charge retail users $54 per megawatt
hour under terms of the state's "deregulation" schedule. Thus, two of
the state's largest utility "providers" are now drowning under $13
billion in debt. In December, the state's legislature passed a bill
granting temporary rate increases of 7% to 15%. However, that increase
was far short of the 30% to 40% increase necessary if those utility
"providers" were to remain solvent. But Californians were never
provided a true free market in energy.
As we noted last week, this debacle is the result of that old oxymoron
-- free-enterprise Socialism, California style. Can you say, "junk
bonds"? Please address you complaints to Mr. Green Jeans, Gray Davis,
and his green marauders.
In its evaluation of the crisis, the Wall Street Journal concludes,
"Gov. Gray Davis...didn't get it last summer when the trouble began.
He didn't get it last month when the problems multiplied, and he still
doesn't get it. Not only did Mr. Davis accuse out-of-state power
suppliers of being 'pirates' and 'marauders,' but he has proposed
making the withholding of power a criminal act and suggested
committing public lands to power-plant construction 'on the condition
that energy be distributed only in California'."
Of "deregulation" California style, Pete du Pont notes, "The idea of
price controls goes back four millennia to the Code of Hammurabi. It
descended through Diocletian, Lenin, Hitler, Nixon and Carter. Price
controls have always failed, and now they have failed badly again in
California."
The "Dumb and Dumber" Department...
From the "Murky-Middle" files, Sen. John Warner describing his
position on abortion rights: "Pro-choice with limitations, pro-life
with exceptions."
In economic news...
December marked the third month in a row the Conference Board's index
of leading economic indicators has dropped. December's 0.6% decline
was the most precipitous in four years. Conference Board economist Ken
Goldstein says the index trend indicates additional economic decline
for at least the first half of 2001.
The irony is just too much to bear.... Clinton-Gore inherited an
economy, which, by all reliable accounts -- and their own admission --
began expanding in the last year of George Bush the elder's
administration. Now, George W. has inherited an economy, which began
showing serious problems in the last year of the Clinton-Gore
administration. Clinton was quick to take credit for the good economy
he inherited. What is poor George to do?
Around the world...
Yugoslavia is denying any compliance with the International Criminal
Court's demand for Slobo Milosevic's surrender. Ah, if only we could
find a way to send Clinton to the ICC without thereby treating the ICC
as legitimate...!
Elsewhere, a law that went into effect Jan. 1 in Red China makes
grammatical errors on billboards a criminal offense. Our final copy
editors are of two minds about whether such a policy should be
implemented here....
Culture comment...
According to the San Francisco Chronicle, "The rate of new HIV
infections among San Francisco's gay men has more than doubled since
1997 and is climbing steeply," in what is being characterized by
epidemiologists as a "rebound epidemic." The Chronicle notes similar
epidemiological trends in Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago and Miami.
"Because antiviral drugs have extended so many lives," the Chronicle
notes, "there are now more infected people who can pass the virus
along to others."
On the frontiers of science...
Regarding the quality of government schools, Bill Nye, "Science Guy,"
had this to say after U.S. eighth-graders placed 17th in the TIMMS
international science tests: "Maybe we shouldn't make students take
science tests anymore. We'll just let the Florida Supreme Court
decide their scores."
And last, the Clintons accepted $190,027 in gifts just in time before
HILLARY! took her Senate oath and would be subject to Senate ethics
rules. One of the "donors," insurance baron Walter Kaye -- the same
Walter Kaye who recommended Monica Lewinsky for her White House job --
gave the Clintons $9,683 in gifts, including, notably, a humidor for
Bill's cigars.
Paul
Paul
Paul
had this to say after U.S. eighth-graders placed 17th in the TIMMS
international science tests: "Maybe we shouldn't make students take
science tests anymore. We'll just let the Florida Supreme Court
decide their scores."
The Clintons accepted $190,027 in gifts just in time before
HILLARY took her Senate oath and would be subject to Senate ethics
Paul
"Presidents come and go. History comes and goes, but principles
endure...." --Ronald Reagan {} "The supremacy of public opinion
determines the whole process of human history." --Ludwig von Mises {}
"Without justice, the state was nothing but a band of robbers."
--Murray Rothbard {} "He who is unable to live in society, or who
has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a
beast or a god." --Aristotle {} "The law is a magic mirror in which
we see reflected not only our own lives but also the lives of those
who went before us." --Oliver Wendell Holmes {} "All that is not
eternal is eternally out of date." --C.S. Lewis {} "Among a people
generally corrupt liberty cannot long exist." --Edmund Burke {} "To
be a leader of men one must turn one's back on men." --Havelock Ellis
{} "A man always has two reasons for what he does -- a good one, and
the real one." --John Pierpont Morgan {} "The applause of a single
human being is of great consequence." --Samuel Johnson {} "Genius is
an infinite capacity for taking pains." --Jane Ellice Hopkins {}
"There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to
conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in
the introduction of a new order of things." --Niccolņ Machiavelli
Paul
out of style." --David Hackworth {} "Few Americans realize it, but
the Democratic Party adheres to the basic premise of Marxist political
parties. The defining characteristic of a Marxist party is class
warfare." --Paul Craig Roberts {} "Squabbling has replaced debating.
Unlike our ancestors, we don't want to discuss basic questions of
political philosophy." --Joseph Sobran ++ "Kennedy demonstrated
gross ignorance about the [the Second Amendment]. To throw such an
intemperate, public hissy-fit, he must have counted on -- and
correctly so -- the ignorance of his senatorial colleagues, the news
media and most Americans." --Walter Williams ++ "If his name is
Lieberman and he is Jewish, his nomination evokes celebration. If his
name is Ashcroft and he is Christian, his nomination evokes a hue and
cry about 'divisiveness' and mobilizes a wall-to-wall liberal
coalition to defeat him." --Charles Krauthammer ++ "Politicians
like Ted Kennedy are Orwellian caricatures who apparently believe that
TYRANNY IS FREEDOM.... If the American public ever wakes up to this
fact, these political charlatans will hopefully suffer the same fate
as the defunct tyrants of the former communist countries." --Thomas J.
DiLorenzo ++ "The Senate has a constitutional right and duty to vet
Cabinet appointees. But it doesn't have the right to pick the Cabinet
of its own preference, and it never has...." --Andrew Sullivan {}
"Shhh. Listen. There: That sound you're not hearing is the Rev. Jesse
Jackson's prophetic voice. It's probably been stilled for only a week,
but we'll take what we can get." --National Review Online ++ "I
wouldn't be surprised if [Jesse Jackson] said 'this is Selma all over
again' when the dry cleaner loses his shirts (as if the people's
preacher goes to the dry cleaners himself)." --Jonah Goldberg ++
"Affirmative action achieves leveling by unabashed pretence." --Fred
Reed {} "While egotistical nonsense can be expected from most
presidents, Clinton, in prime form, has managed to take it to a trashy
new level. ... There was never enough exposure for Clinton and his
pathological need for attention." --Ryan McMaken
Paul
people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them....
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of
these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish
it...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. ...
For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the
protection of the Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other,
our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." --Declaration of
Independence
"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of
tyrants and patriots alike." --Thomas Jefferson ++ "If you love
wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than
the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not
your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye
were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams ++ A nation which can prefer
disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!"
--Alexander Hamilton ++ "They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--Benjamin Franklin ++ "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be
purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God,
I know not what course others may take, but give me liberty or give me
death!" -- Patrick Henry"
"This Constitution...shall be the supreme Law of the Land;
..Laws...to the Contrary notwithstanding... Legislatures, and all
executive and judicial Officers...shall be bound by Oath...to support
this Constitution...." --U.S. Constitution ++ "The enumeration in
the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or
disparage others retained by the people." --9th Amendment to the
United States Constitution. ++ "The powers not delegated to the
United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." --10th
Amendment to the United States Constitution.
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political
prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports."
--George Washington ++ "Our constitution was made only for a moral
and religious people." --John Adams ++ "Resistance to tyrants is
obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson ++ "Patriotism means to stand
by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president...."
--Theodore Roosevelt ++ "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no
vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." --Barry
Goldwater ++ "The time has come to turn to God and reassert our
trust in Him..." --Ronald Reagan
Paul
in public. Claim his office? If your mother only knew what she was shiting
out you would have had suction at the back of your neck!
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> > > You rednecks are so affraid of Clinton!!!
> > > He'll be back to claim his office.
> > > The fraudulent hick won't get anything done.
> >
> > Now *that's* funny! You call someone else a redneck, but can't even
manage
> > to spell check your own (top) post?
>
> The Internet remains the Home of the Illiterate<tm>.
Paul
"As far as we're concerned, you Californians can freeze in the dark,''
someone at an Idaho inauguration party told me last week in D.C. Later, a
lobbyist opined that the California Dream entails yuppies yakking on cell
phones and e-mailing on laptops charged by cheap energy generated in less --
shall we say refined? -- states. This week, GOP Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon
said he feared his state might become an "energy farm to California.''
In 1999, California got about one-fifth of its electricity from out of
state. While California pols moan about out-of-state price gougers and
spiking electricity prices, politicians from other states aren't steeped in
sympathy. This is not to say that no sympathy is due to poor families and
small businesses that are stuck absorbing high prices, or that energy
companies aren't price gouging, or that the utility companies are blameless.
But: It's hard for D.C. pols to feel a need to bail out a state that has
benefited mightily from a high-tech economy that racheted up electricity
demand while voters keep electing politicians who oppose local power plants
and tell their constituents they deserve to enjoy the same lower utility
rates paid in states that do power right.
According to a recent Field Poll, 57 percent of Californians see the state's
energy crisis as a scheme to raise energy rates -- as if shortages have
nothing to do with the problem.
The Field Poll also showed that 53 percent of voters blame former Gov. Pete
Wilson for the crisis, because he pushed through California's 1996 energy
deregulation bill, while 43 percent blame Gov. Gray Davis.
"My reaction is to say that I fully accept the credit for being the driving
force for deregulation,'' Wilson responded this week. He added that the
Legislature approved the deregulation bill without a dissenting vote in
1996, when the state enjoyed a hefty energy surplus. Deregulation, Wilson
argued, didn't create today's energy woes.
Davis spokesman Steve Maviglio disagreed. He said deregulation created
"anxiety'' that spooked potential investors and power-plant builders.
Maybe, maybe not. There's still a shortage, and there will be a shortage
until California has more power.
So what is Davis going to do about it?
The California Energy Commission has approved nine power plants since Davis
was elected in 1998. In August, His Graydom issued an executive order to
speed up the approval process for power plants and asked the commission to
write new regulations. That's good, but when asked whether Davis had tried
to lean on San Jose pols to approve a proposed power plant in Coyote
Valley -- which they nixed -- Maviglio said, "It's not the role of state
government to butt in on a local dispute.'' (Meanwhile, Davis keeps going to
Washington to get the Feds to butt in on state business.) Davis isn't even
getting his nails dirty.
Wilson is not impressed. He likens the situation to what he faced after the
1994 Northridge earthquake destroyed bridges on L.A.'s freeways. Contractors
warned it could take more than two years to repair the bridges, but Wilson
wanted fast results, he used his emergency powers and 84 days after the
quake, the Santa Monica Freeway re-opened.
How many blackouts will it take before Davis realizes he needs to treat
blackouts that can tank this economy as an emergency?
©2001 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
Gen
Lelon
hermits) or the far far north (a small part of the population)
Its january and my sweater stays in the closet, and I'm near Sacramento!
The real threat is if we still have this problem in the summer months, we're
all gonna fry. I confident it'll be taken care of by then. (optimistic)
-lelon, still not the victim of "rolling blackouts"
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Howard
is wrong with California. It's like the father replying to his teen age
daughters tearful announcement that she is pregnant by saying, "How the hell
did that happen?".
Everybody is to blame. Nobody did this deliberately. Everyone thought that
this was the best for the people and businesses of California at the time.
It was a huge mistake. Where were you with the advice, smart guy?
Now people like you, an American, tell people in California, other
Americans, to fuck off and die. Hope we freeze in the dark because you
won't help us. You'll laugh your Oregon ass off when poor people freeze or
old people sweat to death in the summer. Serves them right. Of course you
piss away billions to foreign countries in foreign aid, billions more in the
drug war we can't win, and billions more in welfare to people who are down
on their luck or just down, period.
This is either a democratic republic where we help each other, or it is a
confederacy where nobody helps anyone unless they feel like it. More and
more we are behaving like a confederation of self interests and your post is
typical of the U.S.
Paul
WASHINGTON - Only in Washington could a Republican win the presidency and
Democrats expect to select the Cabinet. At least, that seems to be the
attitude of the left, which is opposing George Bush's nominees who represent
philosophical Republicanism at its best.
Labor Secretary-designate Linda Chavez went down because she offered shelter
to an abused woman who happened to be an illegal alien. Hopefully, a few
Democrats are sleeping more uncomfortably knowing that their attacks have
fueled the very anti-immigrant sentiments they regularly criticize.
John Ashcroft faces opposition as potential attorney general because he
doesn't believe that judges should rule the country, the unborn are worthy
of protection and a free people has a right to the means to defend itself.
These are sentiments with a curious similarity to those of the nation's
founders.
Then, there is Gale Norton, Bush's nominee for interior secretary. Young,
bright and experienced, she may be Bush's most enlightened choice. But, she
believes that Washington is not the fount of all environmental wisdom, a
shocking sentiment to the left-wingers who have been in power for the last
eight years. Norton is not an easy target. Although only 46, she served two
terms as the elected attorney general of Colorado, before losing a primary
race for the GOP Senate nomination.
A committed free marketeer, she is nevertheless pro-abortion - in contrast
to Ashcroft. And, before moving to Colorado, she worked on environmental
policy at a public interest law firm and the Interior Department. Her
left-wing opponents naturally pose as defenders of the environment, but they
would prefer to smear her than debate issues.
Their silliest attack has been based on a 1996 speech that she delivered to
the Independence Institute, a Denver-based think tank. Norton lamented the
loss of state authority in the Civil War. She noted that "we certainly had
bad facts in that case where we were defending state sovereignty by
defending slavery," an obvious sentiment for anyone who believes in liberty.
The benefit of the federal principle - sharing and spreading government
power among states and localities rather than concentrating it at the
national level - is evident from the disastrous mess spawned in Washington.
Today, Uncle Sam gives us confiscatory tax policies, ludicrous spending
priorities, unrealistic regulatory burdens and counterproductive welfare
programs. The result is public disillusionment with unresponsive political
elites unconcerned about popular frustrations and intent on ruling
irrespective of popular sentiment.
And, it was the Civil War that transformed the Constitution and established
national supremacy. The result, a conflict that killed more than 600,000
people, devastated much of the country, and set the federal government on
its course of imperious domination, proved to be a disaster for individual
liberty. Other than for the freed men, the very point made by Norton. The
cause of states' rights ultimately, if imperfectly, advances individual
rights.
The problem with the Confederacy was that it sabotaged the fight against
central authority by linking it to the hideous institution of slavery. Not
that national power was an ally of the enslaved. At that time, the central
government, including newly elected President Abraham Lincoln and most
congressmen, backed slavery; the institution's death was an inadvertent
result of the Civil War.
But, Norton's environmentalist critics don't care about the facts. Kennedy
Cook, president of the Environmental Working Group, charged that "her deeply
divisive remarks suggest she lacks a vital instinct to protect what needs
protecting, whether it's wilderness or the rights of people of color." Cook
would probably have said the same had Norton endorsed motherhood and apple
pie.
He certainly wasn't going to seriously address her thoughtful attempt to
draw philosophical lessons from history. Just play the race card, hint that
maybe Norton likes slavery, and see if the demagogic spark ignites a
political fire. It is the same shameless, tiresome game played over and over
by the left. The real issue is centralized environmental decision making.
Cook & Co. fear federalism because it means different people in different
regions can make different decisions. Given their druthers, residents of Los
Angeles might accept different standards of air quality than people in Utah.
Citizens of Washington might strike a different balance among logging,
recreation and preservation in their forests than residents of Connecticut.
The notion that people should be able to exercise choice about their own
future bothers the authoritarians who dominate the environmental movement.
So, the Cooks of the world do their best to seize control of the levers of
central power and impose their will on 280 million Americans. Stand in their
way and you obviously are a closet racist.
Gale Norton is a woman of integrity. She is smart and competent. And, she
believes in federalism, limited government and individual liberty. Which is
why the left hates her so. And why she should be speedily confirmed.
©2001 Copley News Service
Paul
you will have time to find an answer to your problem.
And yes, I would prefer to help people if I feel like it, rather than having
some bureaucrat place a gun to my head. Children don't learn unless they
suffer for their mistakes it's called tough love. I am against 90% of
foreign aid. I want drugs to be legalized. Welfare should be done by
charities, and Yes I did give my input. I voted straight conservative or if
not given a choice, libertarian. Things got worse in the peoples republic so
I ran for local office as a mouthy protest. I spent $5000 of my own money
having my say, lost and moved to Republican Nevada. One more thing. The
problem with this country is that there are too many people who believe that
"they will take care of it, they will not let that happen"... never been
able to figure out who they are!
©2001 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
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Paul
One of the reasons for the confusion surrounding so many economic issues --
such as the current electricity crisis in California -- is an underlying
confusion about what economics itself is all about. To many people,
economics is about money. But economies and economics would exist if money
had never been invented. The same principles would apply if we had a barter
economy.
A distinguished British economist named Lionel Robbins put it this way:
"Economics is the study of the use of scarce resources which have
alternative uses." Whenever someone builds a bridge -- whether under
capitalism, socialism, feudalism or whatever -- the real cost of that bridge
is whatever else could have been built with the same material and the same
labor. Money doesn't even have to be involved.
Money is a great convenience, of course, in the process of making decisions
about allocating scarce resources. But the ultimate outcome depends upon the
underlying realities, not the pieces of paper called money. The government
could easily print twice as much money, but the country would not be twice
as rich.
The reason there is an electricity crisis in California is because so many
people are so confused about economics that they think price controls can
make something available and affordable. But price controls do nothing more
than change the monetary signals, without changing the real costs of
anything.
Those costs have to be paid, one way or another, under any form of economic
or political system. If electricity prices are not paid in the rates charged
the consumers, then they are going to have to be paid in taxes. If the
public is so foolish, and the politicians so irresponsible, that these costs
are not paid, then look for lights to keep going out in California
When the government holds the price down, that virtually guarantees that the
supply will be reduced and shortages will follow. It doesn't matter whether
it is electricity, housing, petroleum, food or whatever. Price controls have
a centuries-old track record of causing shortages in countries around the
world. But those who are ignorant of economics are surprised when the same
thing happens in California in the 21st century that happened in the Roman
Empire a couple of thousand years ago.
Bad as it is when the lights go out in California, it has been worse in
countries that have put price controls on food because people have literally
starved to death after food was made "affordable" by government fiat. Even
countries with a history of having surplus food to export have found
themselves hungry after price controls caused farmers to stop growing as
much food.
It has been the same story with rent control. Housing shortages have
followed rent control as the night follows the day -- whether in New York,
Paris, Hanoi, Melbourne or points in between. History tells us that such
things happened, but economics tells us why they happened.
Price controls are only one of many counterproductive policies growing out
of confusion about the nature of economics. Fallacies are the norm in media
and political discussions of international trade. That is why sweeping
predictions that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) would lead
to devastating losses of American jobs were so completely belied by a huge
increase in American jobs after NAFTA was passed.
Popular understanding of economics is at least two centuries behind
economists' understanding of the economy. The economics profession has
failed to educate the public on basic principles. The net effect has been
highly sophisticated analyses on the frontiers of economics and utter
ignorance of the most elementary principles by millions of people outside
the profession.
Even people with Ph.D.s in other fields are often either ignorant or --
worse yet -- misinformed and confused about economics. But of course that
does not stop them from advocating their pet economic policies.
It is a lot easier to criticize than to do better, as I discovered when I
began to write a book called "Basic Economics," without using the graphs,
equations and jargon normally used in books for economics students. This
book took a decade to write, whereas it took me only one year to write a
conventional textbook for economics students back in 1970.
Did I succeed? We will find out. "Basic Economics" has just been published.
©2001 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
Paul
President George Bush wasted no time in demonstrating that he ran for
president to do something, not just to be something. Stepping gingerly
around the trash left behind by the Clintonistas (no joke -- both The
Washington Post and the Drudge Report have reported vandalism of government
property by Clinton's departing White House staff), Bush moved swiftly to
introduce an education reform package. It's a shame that Bush is such a
dummy, because his approach to education reform happens to track almost
perfectly with that of the most respected experts in the field. Like them,
he has identified the key paradigm shift that will be necessary to achieve
anything in education reform -- moving from an emphasis on inputs to an
emphasis on output. In other words, for 35 years we've been attempting to
cure our education woes by pouring more and more money into the schools
under different titles. We've spent billions, only to see scores remain
shockingly low.
Suburban Americans whose children attend cheerful, carpeted, technologically
up-to-date schools with computers and television studios would do well to
shake off their complacency. The schools crisis is not just about the inner
cities. An international comparison of 12th-grade students (the Third
International Math and Science Study in 1998) found that Americans placed
19th out of 21 nations in math and 16th in science. And the Asian nations --
the world's math and science whiz kids -- did not even participate in the
test.
More humbling than those data was the fact that our best students, the
advanced placement kids, performed even worse, scoring dead last in physics,
for example.
Many Americans have assumed that our thriving economy (or the economy we
enjoyed until recently) gave the lie to talk of failing schools. They must
be comfortable with one-third of the students at the University of
California enrolling in remedial classes; with employers spending an
estimated $50 billion annually for worker training (and not for complex
tasks, but simple reading and math); and with Silicon Valley relying on a
steady stream of well-educated foreigners to keep its plants going (45
percent of PhDs in the hard sciences earned here go to non-resident aliens).
Alan Greenspan, among many others, has expressed the view that it is only a
matter of time before the economy is affected by our lamentable schools.
Even assuming we could somehow maintain our economic might in the absence of
reform, there are other reasons to get serious. The gap between minority and
majority educational performance keeps some segments of American society
more or less permanently poor -- an unworthy situation for a great nation.
And even among the non-poor, ignorance is in the saddle. Two out of three
17-year-olds do not understand the meaning of the Emancipation Proclamation.
Fewer than half of America's high-school seniors recognize Patrick Henry's
rallying cry "Give me liberty or give me death." We are in danger of losing
our patrimony. Without an educated citizenry -- educated in the fundamentals
of American democracy and world history, as well as in the basics -- it is
doubtful that we will remain worthy of our rich heritage.
As "A Nation Still At Risk," the manifesto of an education-reform coalition
including Floyd Flake, E.D. Hirsch, Chester E. Finn Jr., Bill Bennett, and
Jeanne Allen among others, put it, "Are we to be land of Jefferson and
Lincoln or the land of Beavis and Butthead?"
The Bush proposal does not presume that Washington, D.C., can tell
jurisdictions around the nation how best to educate their young. But it does
propose to keep track of whether they are doing so or not. And Bush does
propose to emphasize the basics -- reading and math. Under his plan,
children in grades 3 to 8 would be tested every year in those subjects. If a
school fails to educate the children in its care for three straight years,
education dollars will be given to parents, instead.
Bush said, "When children or teen-agers go to school afraid of being
threatened or attacked or worse, our society must make it clear it's the
ultimate betrayal of adult responsibility."
Until last week, we hadn't had an adult in the White House for eight years.
Let's see how much can be accomplished now that grown-ups are back in
charge.
©2001 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
@rk.com Mirdad
But how many times do you feed a person who refuses to help with the
dishes?
>
>
A
what
> is wrong with California. It's like the father replying to his teen age
> daughters tearful announcement that she is pregnant by saying, "How the
hell
> did that happen?".
>
knocks on daughter's door, and says, "Don't worry.
I'm sorry I lost my temper. We'll just have to get you an abortion." Problem
solved.
Holden
rose...@rapidnet.com
>Only in Washington could a Republican win the presidency and
>Democrats expect to select the Cabinet. At least, that seems to be the
>attitude of the left, which is opposing George Bush's nominees who represent
>philosophical Republicanism at its best.
a) Bush did not win the presidency. The USSC appointed him
b) Is now racism, homophobia, gunloonery, and religious reich dogma now the
official philosophy of the republican party?
>Labor Secretary-designate Linda Chavez went down because she offered shelter
>to an abused woman who happened to be an illegal alien.
Pure bullshit of course.
Chavez "went down" because: a) she LIED, b) she advocated the same
"punishment" for a Clinton appointee that she received, b) was monumentally
hypocritical.
>John Ashcroft faces opposition as potential attorney general because he
>doesn't believe that judges should rule the country, the unborn are worthy
>of protection and a free people has a right to the means to defend itself.
>These are sentiments with a curious similarity to those of the nation's
>founders.
Pure bullshit again, of course.
Asscroft should not be approved because: a) he's a racist, homophobe, b) he
LIED to the hearing committee, and has openly attempted to instill a religious
dogma into public policy.
>Then, there is Gale Norton, Bush's nominee for interior secretary. Young,
>bright and experienced, she may be Bush's most enlightened choice.
Pure bullshit again. She's a "states righter" which is a euphemism for
someone who believes the confederacy was right.
>And, it was the Civil War that transformed the Constitution and established
>national supremacy. The result, a conflict that killed more than 600,000
>people, devastated much of the country, and set the federal government on
>its course of imperious domination,
"imperious domination" is a euphemism for southern hatred of having to give up
racist policies.
>proved to be a disaster for individual
>liberty. Other than for the freed men, the very point made by Norton. The
>cause of states' rights ultimately, if imperfectly, advances individual
>rights.
The national supremacy curtails the abilities of "individuals" in respective
states to abuse civil rights in the form of Jim Crow, segregation,
disenfranchisement, lynchings, homophobia.
>The problem with the Confederacy
Yeah, yeah.
Southern apologists for the horrendous state policies AFTER slave ownership
was abolished is indefensible.
rose...@rapidnet.com
>
> President George Bush wasted no time in demonstrating that he ran for
>president to do something, not just to be something.
There is no evidentiary record to support that crap.
Dumbya says NOTHING that hasn't been vetted by his OLD, TIRED retreaded
Daddy's administration. He hold no news conference where he isn't surrounded
by his policy wonks, or at best, refuses to answer any question where
extemporaneous answers are required.
And your "evidence" of "vandalism" is only substantiated by political enemies
of Clinton.
A
> Why? Because it's not economically viable, but maybe at California's new
> prices they will be. I don't want to pay these prices! The Hindenberg
crash
> scared our fathers away from clean hydrogen fuel. Ignorance scared us away
> from cheap environmentally friendly nuclear power.
Where do those exhausted fuel cores go? They will stay hot for millions of
years.
Holden
Cold fusion is coming
> along, but it still is a way off. Damn the tree huggers!
> "Dwain Goforth" <dw...@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
> news:3A6F6E00...@humboldt1.com...
> > Besq wrote:
> >
> > > Dwain Goforth wrote:
> > >
> > >> Paul wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > FYI
> > >> >
> > >> > I have a daughter living in Oceanside California. She has a 950
> > >> sq. ft
> > >> > apartment with gas appliances, no air conditioning. Electricity
> > >> bill rose
> > >> > from $35 to $85 and in the last week she got a bill for $135. In
> > >> the last
> > >> > week she has had her child care raise $50 and lease renewal up
> > >> $60. For sale
> > >> > signs everywhere and the Marines are requesting transfers in
> > >> droves.
> > >> > Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp
> > >> posts within
> > >> > six months.
> > >>
> > >> Why, because environmentalists are tired of corporate extortion?
> > >
> > > No, because during all their activism, they never offered an
> > > alternative. This is a good lesson to and about environmentalists, if
> > > you want to force change you'd better offer an attractive alternative
> > > or get lost. It will be a long while before anyone will listen to
> > > activists again. All that job creation, now undone. Tsk, tsk.
> >
> > I have no power to *force* change. My attractive offer is to live within
> > your means, meaning stop wasting energy. We are the energy gluts of the
> > world, and it cannot remain this way for long. We are robbing our
> > children's resources for our greed now.
> >
> > Activists are as activists do.
> >
> > Want an alternative? Solar power cells. Ever hear of them? Of course, if
> > we went that way, then our energy needs would be totally decentralized,
> > and power brokers like PG&E couldn't make much profit.
> >
> > Ever wonder why you can't go down to the hardware store and buy some
> > passive energy generators?
> >
> > Did you know that the City of Los Angeles once had the world's largest
> > public rail transportation system? Not much money in that, I suppose.
>
>
>
Lelon
> "punishment" for a Clinton appointee that she received, b) was
monumentally
> hypocritical.
They hypocritical was the really big one. What she did in 1992 to Zoe was
shameful, and she got what she deserved.
Let me anticipate some responses... yes I know there is a monumental
difference between the two cases, but one thing remains the same, neither of
them rise to the level that it should have affected their nomination.
-lelon
Eric Florack
>Prediction: There will be environmentalists hanging from lamp posts within
>six months.
One can always hope.
Lelon
-lelon
"Howard" <hv...@inreach.com> wrote in message
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Lelon
approved 9 power plants long before this mess occurred.
The reason we don't have new power plants in California is because the
incredibly stupid deregulation scheme scared away investors. And now it
appears investors were right to be afraid.
Blaming this on environmentalists is akin to blaming it on Santa Clause.
-lelon
"Eric Florack" <eflo...@killspam.rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Eric Florack
wrote:
>Don't hold your breath. The new,democratic, administration had already
>approved 9 power plants long before this mess occurred.
True.
Yet, how many are behind schedule, and how many of those are gas-fired
plants?
Michael Richmann
Surely you've heard of "tough love"?
Until you guys straighten your act out, we're simply not going to enable
you anymore...
Paul
"A" <a_yossar...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Howard
largest economy in the world. It is the largest economy in the United
States and no region is even close. Many of the largest banks in the U.S.,
as well as the world, have their loan exposure here; the entire world's
entertainment capital is here; and almost the entire computer business is
located here.
So if you think the rest of the country can tolerate a collapse in
California without having their own economies destroyed, better think again.
You will not be able to secure as much as a car loan in other states if
California goes down; no business will be able to borrow money except at
very high rates; businesses in other states who are owed money by California
companies won't be paid and they will declare bankruptcy too. Guess how
many companies will go under if Californians default on their car loans in a
big way? There are 43 million cars in California. How many financed by
Ford, GMAC (General Motors), and General Electric?
One way or the other, you will pay. You can choose to help us out a little
so that everyone benefits or you can choose to "give us tough love" and
suffer the consequences along with us. It's like the old axiom: "If I owe
you $100,000 I'm in trouble, if I owe you a million dollars YOU are in
trouble". YOU are in trouble, and you better all realize it.
The U.S. Government bailed out Chrysler because almost 500,000 jobs would
have been lost plunging the country into a recession at the very least. The
U.S. Government bailed out First Bank of Chicago (then the largest bank in
the United States) because their collapse would have triggered a banking
collapse in the rest of the country.
So get off your philosophical bullshit. There are some times when we have
to hold our collective noses and do something so that everyone doesn't
drown. This is one of those times. Or you can drown too.
Skate
substantiated by political enemies of Clinton"? Thats just the kind of
thing that a press that has given Clinton a pass for 8 years would just
"make up" right? I guess they must be "political enemies" of EX President
Clinton also. You are going to have to get over it and move on.
President will be in the White House for at least four years. Personally I
think the whining from the left is going to be funny. I think the Senate
confirmation hearings are a good example of the Democratic children
"throwing tantrums". I think they had a witness against John Ashcroft the
other day who claimed he is unfit for attorney general because he was seen
jaywalking. Yep, it's going to be fun to watch. Who knows... maybe more
than just a few people will get tired of listening to them.
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Bill Bonde
Paul wrote:
>
> Basic economics
>
> One of the reasons for the confusion surrounding so many economic issues --
> such as the current electricity crisis in California -- is an underlying
> confusion about what economics itself is all about. To many people,
> economics is about money. But economies and economics would exist if money
> had never been invented. The same principles would apply if we had a barter
> economy.
>
> A distinguished British economist named Lionel Robbins put it this way:
> "Economics is the study of the use of scarce resources which have
> alternative uses." Whenever someone builds a bridge -- whether under
> capitalism, socialism, feudalism or whatever -- the real cost of that bridge
> is whatever else could have been built with the same material and the same
> labor.
>
And labour that isn't used is lost forever.
> Money doesn't even have to be involved.
>
> Money is a great convenience, of course, in the process of making decisions
> about allocating scarce resources. But the ultimate outcome depends upon the
> underlying realities, not the pieces of paper called money. The government
> could easily print twice as much money, but the country would not be twice
> as rich.
>
Selbstverstentlich.
> The reason there is an electricity crisis in California is because so many
> people are so confused about economics that they think price controls can
> make something available and affordable. But price controls do nothing more
> than change the monetary signals, without changing the real costs of
> anything.
>
OK.
> Those costs have to be paid, one way or another, under any form of economic
> or political system. If electricity prices are not paid in the rates charged
> the consumers, then they are going to have to be paid in taxes. If the
> public is so foolish, and the politicians so irresponsible, that these costs
> are not paid, then look for lights to keep going out in California
>
OK.
> When the government holds the price down, that virtually guarantees that the
> supply will be reduced and shortages will follow.
>
In this case, the government has held down the retail price. The
wholesale price is deregulated. This means that that price can go as
high as possible. So that means that there should be plenty of power but
the power companies will go bankrupt since they pay wholesale rates
several times higher than retail. This is only PART of the situation.
> It doesn't matter whether
> it is electricity, housing, petroleum, food or whatever. Price controls have
> a centuries-old track record of causing shortages in countries around the
> world. But those who are ignorant of economics are surprised when the same
> thing happens in California in the 21st century that happened in the Roman
> Empire a couple of thousand years ago.
>
Price controls: bad. What about price bands? Did you think of that? You
guarantee anyone making electricity a bottom floor price and you limit
them to a top ceiling price. Is this worse than what he have today?
Obviously no. Is it worse that no rules at all? You tell me.
> Bad as it is when the lights go out in California, it has been worse in
> countries that have put price controls on food because people have literally
> starved to death after food was made "affordable" by government fiat. Even
> countries with a history of having surplus food to export have found
> themselves hungry after price controls caused farmers to stop growing as
> much food.
>
Not to rain on your parade, but has anyone ever starved to death because
they couldn't afford the food that was available? I think yes....
> It has been the same story with rent control. Housing shortages have
> followed rent control as the night follows the day -- whether in New York,
> Paris, Hanoi, Melbourne or points in between. History tells us that such
> things happened, but economics tells us why they happened.
>
If it ain't worth it to do, people won't keep doing it. This is basic
economics.
> Price controls are only one of many counterproductive policies growing out
> of confusion about the nature of economics. Fallacies are the norm in media
> and political discussions of international trade. That is why sweeping
> predictions that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) would lead
> to devastating losses of American jobs were so completely belied by a huge
> increase in American jobs after NAFTA was passed.
>
Show me how this was related to NAFTA and not other factors.
> Popular understanding of economics is at least two centuries behind
> economists' understanding of the economy. The economics profession has
> failed to educate the public on basic principles. The net effect has been
> highly sophisticated analyses on the frontiers of economics and utter
> ignorance of the most elementary principles by millions of people outside
> the profession.
>
Didn't the people running a certain hedge fund get Noble prizes in
economics? Don't be so damned smug.
> Even people with Ph.D.s in other fields are often either ignorant or --
> worse yet -- misinformed and confused about economics. But of course that
> does not stop them from advocating their pet economic policies.
>
> It is a lot easier to criticize than to do better, as I discovered when I
> began to write a book called "Basic Economics," without using the graphs,
> equations and jargon normally used in books for economics students. This
> book took a decade to write, whereas it took me only one year to write a
> conventional textbook for economics students back in 1970.
>
> Did I succeed? We will find out. "Basic Economics" has just been published.
>
Why would you leave out the pictures? That makes it so easy to read
pages fast.
Paul
Dwain Goforth
> Dump it [nuclear waste] in our worthless desert here in Nevada until we find a
> use for it.
What's so "worthless" about the Nevada desert? Actually, most of it is a steppe,
only the far south is a true desert (Mohave.)
You ought to learn to appreciate your own natural surroundings. I find Nevada to
be very beautiful and full of worth. The only area that is a "wasteland" is Las
Vegas. :)
Michael Richmann
As I said, until you guys straighten your act out, the party's over.
We're tired of being leeched upon.
As for a collapsing economy, the only thing collapsing is the presence
of wealth generating companies in your state. They're moving elsewhere
and other states will benefit at your expense.
You can whine or you can do something about it.
Dwain Goforth
> And a big fat hearty whatever.
>
> As I said, until you guys straighten your act out, the party's over.
> We're tired of being leeched upon.
>
Us, too. So grow your own fruits and vegetables.
If you want us to continue to be the "breadbasket" to the U.S. then you have to
help with the energy.
Paul
Paul
Rackley needed to die.
Rackley, suspected of disloyalty, was tied to a chair before his friends'
tortured him for hours. Among other things boiling water was poured on him.
Tiring of this fun, Black Panther member Warren Kimbo took Rackley outside
and put a bullet in his head. Rackley's body was found floating in a river
about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn.
Perhaps you're curious as to what happened to these people.
In 1977, only eight years later, only one killer was still in jail.
The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a scholarship to Harvard.
He later became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College.
{Killers can pump bullets into heads and a few years later become assistant
college deans! Only in America!}
Erica Huggins, the lady who served the Panthers by boiling water for Mr.
Rackley's torture, was elected to a California School Board.
How in the world do you think these killers got off so easy?
Perhaps it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the
defense of these cold-blooded murders. These folks organized demonstrations
that shut down Yale University in defense of the accused Panthers during
their trial.
Who were these people?
One is none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee is not a college dean or a
member of a California School Board, but the head of the US Justice
Department's Civil Rights Division. {I wonder if Mr. Rackley had his civil
rights violated?}
The other Panther defender, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale
University at the time, is now "the smartest woman in the world." You got
it; New York's Democratic candidate for Senate, the incredible, the
compassionate, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
qwerty
guys?
The following is taken directly from the "Urban Legends Reference Page"
which is a non-political, non-partisan cite:
"Claim: Hillary Clinton played a significant role in defending Black
Panthers accused of torturing and murdering Alex Rackley.
Status: False."
Here is the relevant part in reference to Hillary:
"Ms. Clinton wasn't a lawyer then, either; she was a Yale law student. The
sum total of her involvement in the trial was that she assisted the American
Civil Liberties Union in monitoring the trial for civil rights violations."
See:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/panthers.htm
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Kansas Dave
Besq
No we don't. There's plenty of competition and the produce tastes better from other
parts of the country because the soil isn't dead from chemicals and the seed isn't
"GM" or hybridized to the point it tastes like wall paper paste. Its high time to
break CA's monopoly on produce and avail ourselves of foods that taste like the real
thing. Grand Junction, CO and Salt Lake are two large producers that beat CA stuff
anytime and they don't have to steal water from other states to do it. The soil in
CA is exhausted and it will take years to replenish it with organic means, not
chemicals. The midwest also produces and the soil there is rich. During harvest
season, farmers' markets are all over the place and the food is delicious.
Political clout has forced us to settle for substandard produce and its time we put
up a fight. Stop supporting chemical plants, buy locally. Stand up for family
farms, at least they're honest.
Grant Denn
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Michael Richmann
Naw. We'll import from other countries.
Then again, if you guys persist in trying to turn California into a
third world toliet, maybe we'll have to set up plantations.