Enron rigged a phony engergy crisis in California and Canada
Thaddeus Stevens
backer and friend of President Bush (to whom he was "Kenny Boy"), has been
charged with fraud and is facing trial, along with two other company
officials, in Houston in September.
Tapes reveal Enron's secret role in California's power blackouts
Julian Borger in Washington Saturday February 5, 2005 The Guardian
Newly discovered tapes have revealed how the energy corporation Enron shut
down at least one power plant on false pretences, deliberately aggravating
California's crippling 2001 blackouts with the aim of raising prices.
The tapes also show that Enron, whose bankruptcy three years ago was
the biggest corporate scandal of recent times, manipulated energy markets in
Canada and was planning to rig the Californian market even before
deregulation in 1998, for which the Texan corporation actively campaigned.
The most damning revelations concern Enron's secret role in creating
artificial power shortages in California, helping to trigger an energy
crisis in 2000 and 2001 which cost residents billions of dollars in surcharges.
The crisis ultimately led to the ousting of the state's Democratic
governor, Gray Davis, and paved the way for rise of Arnold Schwarzenegger in
his place. Meanwhile, the shortages helped Enron to make $1.6bn (£850m).
This week, the federal energy regulatory commission recommended that
the company return almost $1.7bn acquired from shady energy deals dating
back to 1997.
Enron's former chief executive, Kenneth Lay, an enthusiastic financial
backer and friend of President Bush (to whom he was "Kenny Boy"), has been
charged with fraud and is facing trial, along with two other company
officials, in Houston in September.
Those charges mainly involve allegedly cooking Enron's books to make
the energy brokerage appear more profitable and boost its stock price. The
new evidence suggests the company may also have promoted deregulation so
enthusiastically because it knew it could fix the system to its own advantage.
"Enron, more than any company in California came in with consultants and
presentations to all the legislators and policymakers to explain how
deregulation would work, to explain how Enron was just trying to help," Eric
Saltmarsh, executive director of California's Electricity Oversight Board,
told the Guardian. "It later turned out to be part of their scheme. From the
earliest days of deregulation, Enron was arguing for market structures that
from the beginning it took advantage of."
The tapes came to light when a local authority in Washington state went to
court over Enron's bills and was permitted to seize internal records from a
company warehouse.
On one tape, an Enron official named Bill tells an employee called Rich at a
Las Vegas power plant to take the plant offline on a confected excuse. The
conversation took place on January 17 2001, in the last days of the Clinton
administration, as blackouts were rolling across California, cutting off
electricity to more than one million people, and after the energy secretary,
Bill Richardson, had ordered generators across the west to direct their
output to the troubled state.
"Ah, we want you guys to get a little creative, and come up with a reason to
go down," Bill says on the tape. "Anything you want to do over there? Any
cleaning, anything like that?"
"OK, so we're just comin' down for some maintenance, like a forced outage
type thing?" Rich replies, according to transcripts published yesterday. "I
think that's a good plan, Rich," Bill says. "... I knew I could count on you."
A spokeswoman for Enron, which is still going through bankruptcy
proceedings, refused to comment.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1406479,00.html
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The car has become the carapace, the protective and aggressive
shell, of urban and suburban man . . . .
In big industry new ideas are invited to rear their heads so they
can be clobbered at once. The idea department of a big firm is a sort of
lab for isolating dangerous viruses.
~ Marshall McLuhan
A reasonably just and well-ordered democratic society might be possible,
and . . . justice as fairness should have a special place among the
political conceptions in its political and social world. . . [M]any are
prepared to accept the conclusion that a just and well-ordered
democratic society is not possible, and even regard it as obvious. Isn't
admitting it part of growing up, part of the inevitable loss of
innocence? But is this conclusion one we can so easily accept?
The answer we give to the question of whether a just democratic society
is possible and can be stable for the right reasons affects our
background thoughts and attitudes about the world as a whole. And it
affects these thoughts and attitudes before we come to actual politics,
and limits or inspires how we take part in it. . . If we take for
granted as common knowledge that a just and well-ordered democratic
society is impossible, then the quality and tone of those attitudes will
reflect that knowledge. A cause of the fall of Weimar's constitutional
regime was that none of the traditional elites of Germany supported its
constitution or were willing to cooperate to make it work. They no
longer believed a decent liberal parliamentary regime was possible. Its
time had past. The regime fell first to a series of authoritarian
cabinet governments from 1930 to 1932. When these were increasingly
weakend by their lack of popular support, President Hindenburg was
finally persuaded to turn to Hitler, who had such support and whom
conservatives thought they could control.
~ John Rawls "Political Liberalism" pg. lx
Jim E
"Thaddeus Stevens" <Democracy@IN_America.com> wrote in message
news:sdrNd.1038$Bi6...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
Thanks for providing last months news to us on the west coast. The company
was run by a bunch of thugs.
So now , I assume you will somehow try to blame this on Pres. Bush, along
with global warming, hurricanes in Florida, the Asian quake, rainy
Saturdays, and moldy bread.
Jim E
Joe Blow
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
news:36mv9qF...@individual.net...
>
> "Thaddeus Stevens" <Democracy@IN_America.com> wrote in message
> news:sdrNd.1038$Bi6...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>> Enron's former chief executive, Kenneth Lay, an enthusiastic financial
>> backer and friend of President Bush (to whom he was "Kenny Boy"), has
>> been charged with fraud and is facing trial, along with two other company
>> officials, in Houston in September.
>>
>> proceedings, refused to comment.
>>
>
> Thanks for providing last months news to us on the west coast. The company
> was run by a bunch of thugs.
> So now , I assume you will somehow try to blame this on Pres. Bush, along
> with global warming, hurricanes in Florida, the Asian quake, rainy
> Saturdays, and moldy bread.
>
> Jim E
***
Well goodness me, it appears someone has attacked your beloved führer and
you are prepared to valiantly defend him at any cost. The first casualty
here is your own intellectual honesty.
It is widely known, as was stated at the beginning of the original post and
again toward the end of it, that Ken Lay was a strong financial backer and
personal friend of GW Bush and his family. Somehow you were able to
completely and conveniently ignore this fact in your response, pulling up
everything from hurricanes to moldy bread.
You remind me of some eight-legged creature, hastily holding up leaves and
twigs, in some lame attempt at camouflage.
money, handshakes, backslaps, petnames, buttfucks
Joe Blow
Jim E
"Joe Blow" <sp...@menot.com> wrote in message
news:42065...@newspeer2.tds.net...
No denying the friendship, so show the evidence of criminal complicity.
And "some people" have been blaming Bush for everything that goes wrong
under the sun.
Pretty amazing huh.
Jim E
Joe Blow
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
> No denying the friendship, so show the evidence of criminal complicity.
> Jim E
***
Hey, no problem:
Here ya go,
Joe Blow
***
http://www.alternet.org/story/12155 to wit:
"Shortly after taking office, President Bush waged a battle against the
imposition of federal price controls in California that allowed Enron to
price-gouge consumers by extending the energy crisis in California, costing
the state billions of dollars. Enron reported increased revenues of almost
$70 billion from the previous year.
Bush also resisted attempts to crack down on Enron's utilization of its 847
offshore subsidiaries in countries with lax banking-regulation laws. The
consumer-rights watchdog organization Public Citizen alleges that some of
these offshore havens helped Enron defraud its stockholders."
***
http://www.apfn.org/enron/phoney.htm to wit:
"Federal Election Commission records show that Enron Chairman Kenneth Lay
donated more than $350,000 directly to Bush campaigns since 1997.
Lay also gave another $100,000 to Republican candidates and fundraising
committees.
In addition, Enron Corporation, including employees, also donated $1.5
million in soft money to Bush and Republican committees.
More recently, Lay and his wife donated $10,000 to the "Florida Recount
Fund," and another $100,000 to the "Presidential Inaugural Fund."
As one of his fundraising "Pioneers," Lay helped raise more than $100,000
for Bush's campaign for president.
In consideration of these numbers, is it too much to ask for a phony and
contrived power "crisis" as a payback?
Naah, not at all . . . "
***
http://www.mapcruzin.com/news/bush121301a.htm to wit:
"Enron is Whitewater in spades. This isn't just some rinky-dink land
investment like the one dredged up by right-wing enemies to haunt the
Clinton White House--but rather it has the makings of the greatest
presidential scandal since the Teapot Dome.
The Bush administration has a long and intimate relationship with Enron,
whose much-discredited chairman, Kenneth L. Lay, was a primary financial
backer of George W. Bush's rise to the presidency.
It was Enron that provided the model for the administration's trickle-down
attempt to revive an economy that's been in steep decline during Bush's
tenure. That model gives the fat-cat corporate hotshots everything they want
in return for bankrolling political campaigns."
Larry Hewitt
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
In the midst of and the immediate aftermath of the California energy crisis
California governor Gray Davis and some of the affected utilities requested
assistance and an inverstigation from FERC --- the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission. The FERC refused to get involved, despite indications
at the time that illegal manipulation of the market may have been
occurring. Instrumental in preventing FERC from getting involved were FERC
Chairman Curt Hebert (a republican Bush appointee) and Nora Brownell, a
Bush appointee from the Pa utilities commission. Brownell was a good buddy
of Ken Lay --- she helped to push through a Pennsylvania deregulation
program that was written by Enron. As her reward, Lay had Bush appoint her
to the cushy FERC job.
To understand how Lay could arrange this all one needs to do is follow the
money. Lay and Enron gave Bush $312,500 for his gubernatorial campaigns,
$113,800 for his presidential campaign, $10,500 for the Florida recount
effort, and $300,000 for his inaugural. That is a total of $736,800 in 6
years. Bush owed Lay big time.
http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_bush.asp
Even after the crisis subsided, FERC still refused to get involved. In fact,
the only reason they did get involved at all is because the Snohomish
County, WA public utility PAID to translate those hundreds of hours of tapes
you are pooh-poohing. FERC REFUSED. The FERC finally became involved when
the Snohomish transcriptions were made public, clearly showing illegal
trades by both Enron and Duke Power (another utility close to the Bush
family), among others. Three Enron traders are in jail and Duke paid a huge
fine because FERC and the DOJ were forced to act.
And in spite of the PROOF that illegal transactions occurred, FERC
_continues_ to refuse to transcribe the tapes. So the small Snohomish PUD
struggles on, taking years to do what the FERC and the DOJ could have done
in months.
A history of the crisis can be found at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/california/ They
also have links to news articles at the time.
Now, can you tell me why the regulatory commission charged with overseeing
the interstate transaction of electricity _continues_ to avoid investigating
the industry it was created to oversee??
Larry
>
>
Server 13
How come Cheney won't tell Congress who was at his energy meetings?
How come cheney visited the ex-Enron, Bush-appointed head of the FERC the day
before it denied price caps to California in the middle of the scam?
How come Ken lay met with Arnold right before his candidacy?
How come Cruz bustamante's 9 billion dollar lawsuit to recover the stolen
money back to California went away?
How come that stolen money has been piled onto the taxpayers as debt, while
ken lay struts around free for 5 years?
George
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
Lay was even more buddy-buddy with Clinton. He gave millions. He slept in
the Lincoln bedroom on a regular basis and played golf with Bubba several
times a month.
Lying assholes like "Joe Blow" *always* seem to forget to include this when
they attempt to link Lay with Bush.
George
> news:36mv9qF...@individual.net...
> >
> > "Thaddeus Stevens" <Democracy@IN_America.com> wrote in message
> > news:sdrNd.1038$Bi6...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> >> Enron's former chief executive, Kenneth Lay, an enthusiastic financial
> >> backer and friend of President Bush (to whom he was "Kenny Boy"), has
> >> been charged with fraud and is facing trial, along with two other
company
> >> officials, in Houston in September.
> >>
> >> A spokeswoman for Enron, which is still going through bankruptcy
> >> proceedings, refused to comment.
> >>
> >
>
>
> > Thanks for providing last months news to us on the west coast. The
company
> > was run by a bunch of thugs.
> > So now , I assume you will somehow try to blame this on Pres. Bush,
along
> > with global warming, hurricanes in Florida, the Asian quake, rainy
> > Saturdays, and moldy bread.
> >
> > Jim E
>
> ***
> Well goodness me, it appears someone has attacked your beloved führer and
> you are prepared to valiantly defend him at any cost. The first casualty
> here is your own intellectual honesty.
Eat shit and die, lying liberal fuck.
>
> It is widely known, as was stated at the beginning of the original post
and
> again toward the end of it, that Ken Lay was a strong financial backer and
> personal friend of GW Bush and his family. Somehow you were able to
> completely and conveniently ignore this fact in your response, pulling up
> everything from hurricanes to moldy bread.
Lay gave more to YOUR whore-fucking, clown President, Bill Clinton, than he
did to Bush.
You lying assholes ALWAY forget that Lay was a REGULAR customer of the
Lincoln Bedroom under PRESIDENT PENIS and played Golf with him several times
a month.
>
> You remind me of some eight-legged creature, hastily holding up leaves and
> twigs, in some lame attempt at camouflage.
You remind me of a dog turd I just stepped on -- squashed. You fucking
Turd.
>
>
> money, handshakes, backslaps, petnames, buttfucks
> Joe Blow
Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
dog, and a shotgun."
Jim E
>
> "Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
> news:36n6sbF...@individual.net...
>
>> No denying the friendship, so show the evidence of criminal complicity.
>
>> Jim E
>
>
> ***
> Hey, no problem:
>
> Here ya go,
> Joe Blow
>
> ***
> http://www.alternet.org/story/12155 to wit:
> "Shortly after taking office, President Bush waged a battle against the
> imposition of federal price controls in California that allowed Enron to
> price-gouge consumers by extending the energy crisis in California,
> costing the state billions of dollars. Enron reported increased revenues
> of almost $70 billion from the previous year.
>
> Bush also resisted attempts to crack down on Enron's utilization of its
> 847 offshore subsidiaries in countries with lax banking-regulation laws.
> The consumer-rights watchdog organization Public Citizen alleges
ALLEGES
that some of
> these offshore havens helped Enron defraud its stockholders."
>
> ***
>
> http://www.apfn.org/enron/phoney.htm to wit:
>
> "Federal Election Commission records show that Enron Chairman Kenneth Lay
> donated more than $350,000 directly to Bush campaigns since 1997.
>
> Lay also gave another $100,000 to Republican candidates and fundraising
> committees.
>
> In addition, Enron Corporation, including employees, also donated $1.5
> million in soft money to Bush and Republican committees.
>
> More recently, Lay and his wife donated $10,000 to the "Florida Recount
> Fund," and another $100,000 to the "Presidential Inaugural Fund."
>
> As one of his fundraising "Pioneers," Lay helped raise more than $100,000
> for Bush's campaign for president.
>
> In consideration of these numbers, is it too much to ask for a phony and
> contrived power "crisis" as a payback?
>
> Naah, not at all . . . "
Another ALLEGATION ?
>
The rest is yada yada .
So present proof, or even presentable evidence, of criminal complicity,
NOT accusation.
Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.
Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
"Larry Hewitt" <larr...@comporium.net> wrote in message
news:cu5sku$4obm$1...@news3.infoave.net...
I live in Snoh. county Wa. I know we got screwed by Enron. I know that FERC
has been a pain in our collective ass.
Regulating agencies HATE input or influence from the public. Their only
function is skid greasing, and career enhancement.
So this is now something new??
Jim E
Jim E
"Server 13" <c-b...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:cu5us2$kqm$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
> Jim E wrote:
>
>
> How come Cheney won't tell Congress who was at his energy meetings?
>
> How come cheney visited the ex-Enron, Bush-appointed head of the FERC
> the day before it denied price caps to California in the middle of the
> scam?
>
> How come Ken lay met with Arnold right before his candidacy?
>
> How come Cruz bustamante's 9 billion dollar lawsuit to recover the
> stolen money back to California went away?
>
> How come that stolen money has been piled onto the taxpayers as debt,
> while ken lay struts around free for 5 years?
>
To all of the above :::: I don't know.
The question remains. Is there any proof or even evidence of criminal
conspiracy ??
crickets.
Jim E
"George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
news:cu62rq$jb8$0...@pita.alt.net...
All they have is blanks,let them fire at will.
Jim E
Jim E
Notice that we both seem to be listening to CRICKETS
Jim E
Larry Hewitt
REALLY touched a nerve here, huh??
> >
> > It is widely known, as was stated at the beginning of the original post
> and
> > again toward the end of it, that Ken Lay was a strong financial backer
and
> > personal friend of GW Bush and his family. Somehow you were able to
> > completely and conveniently ignore this fact in your response, pulling
up
> > everything from hurricanes to moldy bread.
>
> Lay gave more to YOUR whore-fucking, clown President, Bill Clinton, than
he
> did to Bush.
>
LIE
Lay and Enron have given a total of $736,800 to Bush for his successful
gubernatorial camnpaigns (their contributions for his failed 1988 campaign
are not available), presidential campaign, the Florida recount, and his 2000
inauguration. They gave Clinton a total of $11,000 These are official State
of Texas and FEC numbers.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp
> You lying assholes ALWAY forget that Lay was a REGULAR customer of the
> Lincoln Bedroom under PRESIDENT PENIS and played Golf with him several
times
> a month.
>
>
More lies. Got a cite?? Nope?
> >
> > You remind me of some eight-legged creature, hastily holding up leaves
and
> > twigs, in some lame attempt at camouflage.
>
> You remind me of a dog turd I just stepped on -- squashed. You fucking
> Turd.
>
OOhh. Be careful. WE got us an angry rightard here.
> >
> >
> > money, handshakes, backslaps, petnames, buttfucks
> > Joe Blow
>
>
> Uncle Dave says: "The only way to talk to liberals is with a 2x4, hunting
> dog, and a shotgun."
>
And now an angry rightard making threats!!
Larry
>
Larry Hewitt
Lies, lies, lies.
Lay and Enron gave at least $736,9-- to Bush and $11,000 to Clinton,
according to the state of Texas and the FEC.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp
Larry
Larry Hewitt
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
>
> "Joe Blow" <sp...@menot.com> wrote in message
> news:42066...@newspeer2.tds.net...
> >
> > "Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
> > news:36n6sbF...@individual.net...
> >
> >> No denying the friendship, so show the evidence of criminal complicity.
> >
> >> Jim E
> >
> >
> > ***
> > Hey, no problem:
> >
> > Here ya go,
> > Joe Blow
> >
> > ***
> > http://www.alternet.org/story/12155 to wit:
> > "Shortly after taking office, President Bush waged a battle against the
> > imposition of federal price controls in California that allowed Enron to
> > price-gouge consumers by extending the energy crisis in California,
> > costing the state billions of dollars. Enron reported increased revenues
> > of almost $70 billion from the previous year.
> >
> > Bush also resisted attempts to crack down on Enron's utilization of its
> > 847 offshore subsidiaries in countries with lax banking-regulation laws.
> > The consumer-rights watchdog organization Public Citizen alleges
>
> ALLEGES
>
At the time it was alleged. The court trials are over, and now it is
certain.
>
> that some of
> > these offshore havens helped Enron defraud its stockholders."
> >
> > ***
> >
> > http://www.apfn.org/enron/phoney.htm to wit:
> >
> > "Federal Election Commission records show that Enron Chairman Kenneth
Lay
> > donated more than $350,000 directly to Bush campaigns since 1997.
> >
> > Lay also gave another $100,000 to Republican candidates and fundraising
> > committees.
> >
> > In addition, Enron Corporation, including employees, also donated $1.5
> > million in soft money to Bush and Republican committees.
> >
> > More recently, Lay and his wife donated $10,000 to the "Florida Recount
> > Fund," and another $100,000 to the "Presidential Inaugural Fund."
> >
> > As one of his fundraising "Pioneers," Lay helped raise more than
$100,000
> > for Bush's campaign for president.
> >
> > In consideration of these numbers, is it too much to ask for a phony and
> > contrived power "crisis" as a payback?
> >
> > Naah, not at all . . . "
>
> Another ALLEGATION ?
> >
>
>
> The rest is yada yada .
>
> So present proof, or even presentable evidence, of criminal complicity,
> NOT accusation.
> Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.
>
>
The DOJ and FERC are refusing to investigate known felonies, leaving it to
the Snohomish PUD. This is a conspircy to cover up crimes, a felony.
Larry
> Jim E
>
> Jim E
>
>
Larry Hewitt
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
So you are admitting htat the FERC and the DOJ are particxipating in the
coverup of felonies??
Larry
>
> Jim E
>
>
Jim E
>
>>
>> I live in Snoh. county Wa. I know we got screwed by Enron. I know that
> FERC
>> has been a pain in our collective ass.
>> Regulating agencies HATE input or influence from the public. Their only
>> function is skid greasing, and career enhancement.
>> So this is now something new??
>>
>>
>
> So you are admitting htat the FERC and the DOJ are particxipating in the
> coverup of felonies??
>
Quit trying to stuff words in my mouth
I said that regulatory agencies are a pain.
The problem is the agencies, with their career
bureaucrats who's only function is to make sure nothing happens, except
their next promotion.
These idiots are to inept to be conspirators more than four cubicles down
the hall.
Government regulation is the problem, in a free market this manipulation
would not be possible.
Jim E
Being the unbiased, even handed, non ax grinding sort of altruistic godsend
that you are, I believe everything you say.
Jim E : p
Joe Blow
>> ***
>> Well goodness me, it appears someone has attacked your beloved führer and
>> you are prepared to valiantly defend him at any cost. The first casualty
>> here is your own intellectual honesty.
>
> Eat shit and die, lying liberal fuck.
>
Thank you.
Responses like this let me know I've hit my mark.
> Lay gave more to YOUR whore-fucking, clown President, Bill Clinton, than
> he
> did to Bush.
>
> You lying assholes ALWAY forget that Lay was a REGULAR customer of the
> Lincoln Bedroom under PRESIDENT PENIS and played Golf with him several
> times
> a month.
***
Lies: http://www.hypocrites.com/article3654.html
Clinton messed around with one White House aid. Bush is still screwing the
whole country.
>>
>> You remind me of some eight-legged creature, hastily holding up leaves
>> and
>> twigs, in some lame attempt at camouflage.
>
> You remind me of a dog turd I just stepped on -- squashed. You fucking
> Turd.
***
And you remind me of a "good German."
Although your personal attacks lack any wit, originality, or relevance to
the subject at hand, by virtue of their sheer audacity they do make me
laugh.
God Bless America
The rest of the world can go to fucking hell
Why doesn't anybody like us? <whine>
Joe Blow
Larry Hewitt
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
Didn;t read my post or link, huh??
The FERC problem has nothing to do with the career bureaucrats, it is the
_repuglicon_ political appointee_ leadership, in particlular TWO (then)
recent Bush appointees, one of whom had long, close ties to Ken Lay. Without
authorization from teh FERC board teh bureaucrats you castigate could not
investigate.
You knee-jerked a response based on your RNC talking points rather than in
response to the facts.
Larry
>
Larry Hewitt
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
Thanks.
A wise move on your part.
Of course, the fact taht I posted links to unbiased sources helped me to be
teh "unbiased, even handed, non ax grinding sort of altruistic godsend " you
admire so much.
Try it sometime. It's good for the soul.
Larry
>
Jim E
I defy you to find talking points on this local dust up.
This entire state is so swamped in demoturd
control that we will never see our money.
The peoples democratic republic of Washington, a workers paradise.
The state of Baghdad Jim Mcshithead.
Raaaaalph.
Jim E
That's the part that wears out first, you walk on it.
I now buy mine from Chippewa.
Jim E
Rich Travsky
How come Kenny Boy is still walking around free?
RT
Rich Travsky
>
> "Server 13" <c-b...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> news:cu5us2$kqm$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
> > Jim E wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > How come Cheney won't tell Congress who was at his energy meetings?
> >
> > How come cheney visited the ex-Enron, Bush-appointed head of the FERC
> > the day before it denied price caps to California in the middle of the
> > scam?
> >
> > How come Ken lay met with Arnold right before his candidacy?
> >
> > How come Cruz bustamante's 9 billion dollar lawsuit to recover the
> > stolen money back to California went away?
> >
> > How come that stolen money has been piled onto the taxpayers as debt,
> > while ken lay struts around free for 5 years?
> >
>
> To all of the above :::: I don't know.
And don't seem to care...
Jim E
"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
news:42070250...@hotmMOVEail.com...
>
> How come Kenny Boy is still walking around free?
>
Because rich people can buy their way out of most things, or at least delay
them for years.
Even this poor dumb republican trailer trash knows that one.
Jim E
George
YOU are the fucking liar.
>
> Lay and Enron have given a total of $736,800 to Bush for his successful
> gubernatorial camnpaigns (their contributions for his failed 1988 campaign
> are not available), presidential campaign, the Florida recount, and his
2000
> inauguration. They gave Clinton a total of $11,000 These are official
State
> of Texas and FEC numbers.
> http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp
http://www.stopdemocrats.com/enron/
1. -From 1990 to 1994 Enron gave 42% of their donations to Democrats.
Source: The Center for Responsive Politics
2. -Florida's state pension fund, which lost $325 million on Enron, is
examining what role Frank Savage, a major Democratic donor, may have played
in the state's loss. The fund's investments were directed by Alliance
Capital Management, where Savage was a senior executive and chairman at the
same time he sat on Enron's board. He donated $100,000 to Democrats and
raised money for New York gubernatorial candidate Carl McCall.
Source: Time Magazine
3. -Lloyd Bensten, Clinton's first treasury secretary, was a recipient of
Enron's money. At the time of his campaign for Senate, he received the
second largest donation from Enron.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
4. -Robert Rubin, Bensten's successor, was involved with Enron while he
worked as an investment banker at Goldman & Sachs. Clinton first hired Rubin
to head his National Economic Council. Soon afterwards, Rubin wrote on
Goldman Sachs stationery to former clients, including Enron, that he
''looked forward to continuing to work with you in my new capacity.''
Source: WorldNet Daily
5. -In the days when Franjo Tudjman was Croatia's dictator and pretending to
be both a reformed communist and best friend of America in the Balkans, poor
Franjo had a problem. He and some of his very best friends were wanted as
war criminals by the Hague's International Court of Justice. Enron wanted a
power contract with Croatia. Enron offered a deal to Tudjman. Sign up with
us and we will use our gang in Washington to make sure you and your friends
don't go to jail.
Tudjman signed. Enron made a heap of money. Nobody went to jail. Everyone
was happy - until Tudjman died of cancer. Then the lid was off, his Croatian
Democratic Union was defeated and the new boys in power in Zagreb could not
believe how much of their budget went to pay the electricity bills from
Enron.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review
6. - In August 1993, McLarty, Clinton's former chief of staff, arranged an
invitation for Lay, Enron's CEO, to play golf with Clinton in Vail,
Colorado. This date irritated Oscar Wyatt, chief executive of Coastal,
another natural gas company that had helped the Clinton election campaign
raise funds. These connections to the Democratic administration helped Enron
considerably.
Source: Time Magazine
7. -Clinton officials publicly helped Enron win contracts in India as well
as in Indonesia. Enron had received U.S. government funds to build power
plants in China, the Philippines and Turkey. Enron also won contracts in
Pakistan and Russia while accompanying senior U.S. government officials on
state trips. In June 1996, four days before India granted final approval to
Enron's project, Lay's company gave $100,000 to the DNC.
Source: Time Magazine
8. -Enron got permission to build a pipeline from Mozambique to South Africa
after National Security Adviser Anthony Lake threatened to withhold aid to
Mozambique if it didnt approve the project.
Source: Mozambique News Agency
9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the Clinton
administration.
Source: Fortune Magazine
10. -Enron Corporation donated $100,000 to the Democratic National
Committee. Six days later, Enron executives were on a trade mission with
Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor to Bosnia and Croatia. With Kantor's
support, Enron signed a $100 million contract to build a 150-megawatt power
plant.
Source: The Weekly Standard
11. -Kenneth Lay hired the firm of Clinton's former chief of staff Mack
McLarty.
Source: Fortune Magazine
12. -Democratic Senators Chuck Schumer of New York, John Breaux of
Louisiana, and Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico--chair of the Senate Energy
Committee--are among the top beneficiaries of Enron's political donations.
Source: Fortune Magazine
13. -Kenneth Lay retained Linda Robertson, a Democrat who worked for the
Clinton Treasury Department, as his top D.C. lobbyist.
Source: Fortune Magazine
14. -Dynergy, an energy company which wanted to buy Enron and later sued
them, donated $1,000 of dollars to Henry Waxman in the 2001-2002 cycle, one
of the men leading the Enron investigation.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
15. -The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee received three checks from
the Houston-based energy and trading giant totaling $100,000. Karen Denne,
an Enron spokeswoman, said the company had a record of two checks written to
the committee -- dated Sept. 24 and Nov. 2
Source: NY Post
16. -Joe Lieberman and Tom Daschle's Largest Contributor in the 2000
election cycle was Enron's Largest Creditor, Citigroup.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
17. -Enron was apparently a big backer of some parts of the Kyoto Treaty.
Source: Enron.com
18. -Ken Lay slept in the Clinton White House and served as an adviser to
the Clinton White House on energy issues.
Source: Drudge Report
19. -Enron's lead Washington lawyer is Robert Bennett, who represented
Clinton in the Paula Jones case.
Source: NewsMax.com
20. -Neil Eggleston, a former White House associate counsel under Clinton,
represents Enron's outside directors.
Source: NY Post
21. -David Boies, Al Gore's lead lawyer in the Florida recount, is
representing former Enron CFO Andrew Fastow.
Source: NY Post
22. -Former Democratic Texas Gov. Ann Richards appointed Ken Lay ,the Enron
exec, to the Governor's Business Council and received contributions from
Enron.
Source: Washington Post
23. -Enron introduced the Clinton team to Lippo Industries and thence to
China's People's Liberation Army (a wonderful source of political cash), and
John Huang, another good provider.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review
24. -Tony Lake, then Clinton's national security adviser, persuaded the
impoverished, war-torn country of Mozambique to sign a $770 million electric
power contract with Enron.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review
25. -Al Gore and Bill Clinton introduced Enron to market managers in Russia,
China, Indonesia and India. In India, Enron quickly became involved in one
of that country's most massive corruption investigations, contracts were
canceled and Enron was out.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review
26. -Just days before Enron Corp. landed in bankruptcy court, the one-time
political powerhouse may still have been funneling campaign dollars to
Democratic lawmakers, federal election records indicate.
Source: Houston Chronicle
27. -Enron contributed some $682,000 to the DNC during the 2000 election.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
28. -Ken Lay hired Betsy Moler, Clinton's deputy energy secretary, as a
consultant. She was accused of stopping Energy Department
counterintelligence chief Notra Trulock from briefing Congress early on
about Chinese espionage and security lapses at Energy's nuclear weapons
labs.
Source: Houston Chronicle
29. -Government records show that, during the Clinton years, Lay and other
Enron executives got seats on at least four Energy Department trade missions
and at least seven Commerce Department trade trips.
Source: WorldNet Daily
30. -The congressman who recieved the most money from Enron in the past 12
years is Ken Bentsen (D-Texas) who received $42,750. The second largest
receiver was Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) who received $38,000
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
31. -The ranking member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, John D.
Dingell (D-Mich), is the 10th largest receiver of Enron contributions
totalling $9,000.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
32. -71 House Democrats received $257,140 Enron Contributions.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
33. -Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) was the 20th member of the
Senate to have received the most money from Enron. He received a total of
$6,000.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
34. -29 Senate Democrats, not including those that are retired, were
unseated, or died, received a total of $110,513 in the last 12 years from
Enron.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics
35. -To help push through energy initiatives in Africa, Clinton's Energy
Secretary (and Monica Lewinsky's job counselor), Bill Richardson, visited
Nigeria in August 1999. "As a result of Secretary Richardson's visit to
Nigeria in August, we have embarked on a bilateral cooperation program. The
Department is developing an action plan with the Government of Nigeria,
which will be coordinated with USAID. Cooperation could include:
restructuring and privatization; rural electrification; deployment of clean
energy and renewable energy technologies; promotion of energy efficiency;
and development of an independent regulatory authority.
This initiative, coordinated by Richardson, led to $882 million dollars in
power contracts for Enron from the government of Nigeria:
Enron, an oil and gas firm in Houston, has signed a power purchase agreement
to supply emergency electricity to state-owned power utility Nigerian
Electric Power Authority (NEPA) through 30MW power barges located on the
coast of Lagos State. Enron and its Nigerian joint venture partner signed
the $82 million deal with NEPA and the power ministry in the capital Abuja.
Enron and the Lagos state government entered a joint venture earlier in 1999
to build an $800 million gas-powered plant with capacity for 540 Megawatt
(MW) to augment supply to the city. Unfortunately for Enron, the Nigerian
Government cancelled these contracts in April 2000. As a further reward for
their generosity to the Democratic Party, Clinton Administration Special
Envoy Thomas Pickering hustled off to Nigeria (on the taxpayer's dime) to
plead Enron's case.
Source: Several Sources/FreeRepublic.com
36. -Texas Democrats received more Enron contributions than Texas
Republicans.
Source: CBS Affiliate KTVT in Texas
37. -Hillary Rodham Clinton ordered the destruction of documents, which
Enron is now accuse of doing, of four files in 1988 from her work on the
failed savings and loan that's now at the heart of the Whitewater affair.
Source: NewsMax.com
38. -During the 1991-92 election cycle, Enron gave $28,525 to the Democratic
party while former Clinton Secretary of Commerce Ronald Brown served as the
chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Enron gave $42,000 to the
Democratic party in the 1993-94 cycle.
Source: PublicIntegrity.org
39. -According to internal Enron documents and the recollections of former
employees, Chairman Kenneth L. Lay had the ear of top Democrats in the 1980s
and '90s. He and his colleagues used that access to promote the company's
interests with the Clinton administration and key congressional Democrats.
Source: Washington Post
40. -According to another Enron memo, Lay met with former Clinton Energy
Secretary Federico Peña to urge White House action on electricity
legislation favored by Enron. Peña "suggested that President Clinton might
be motivated [to act] by some key contacts from important constituents."
Source: Washington Post
41. -Ken Lay was one of 25 business executives on Clinton's Council on
Sustainable Development.
Source: Washington Post
42. -Enron's political action committee gave $10,000 in 2000 to the New
Democrat Network, which was co-founded by Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman
(D-Conn.). Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential nominee that year,
now chairs the Senate Government Affairs Committee, which is leading an
inquiry into Enron's collapse.
Source: Washington Post
43. -Several senior Enron officials spent election night at Vice President
Gore's headquarters in Nashville.
Source: Washington Post
44. -Enron backed Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) in his successful 1998
campaign to oust Republican Sen. Alfonse D'Amato. Schumer's views on
electricity deregulation dovetailed closely with Enron's.
Source: Washington Post
45. -Two years later Schumer, who has advocated deregulation as a way of
reducing New York state's high power costs, co-authored a bill to
restructure electricity markets along lines favored by Enron.
Source: Washington Post
46. -Enron has supported Senate Energy Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman
(D-N.M.), whose state is traversed by a major east-west Enron gas pipeline.
Source: Washington Post
47. -Former employees say Lay's friendships with other Democrats were based
as much on rapport as pragmatism. This group includes former senator Bob
Kerrey (D-Neb.), whose brief 1992 presidential bid had Lay's backing, and
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), with whom Lay served on the Eli Lilly Co. board of
directors in the 1990s.
Source: Washington Post
48. -In 1996, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, stocked with Clinton
appointees, helped Enron with a series of orders that weakened the monopoly
of nuclear and coal-burning utilities. In July of that year, Enron gave
$100,000 to the Democratic Party.
Source: Washington Post
49. -In 1992, a Democratic-controlled Congress approved a major energy bill
that set the stage for a new wholesale electricity marketplace. Trading
companies such as Enron could use the transmission lines of regulated
utility companies to sell blocs of electricity to private customers.
Source: Washington Post
50. -Some officials in Enron's Houston and Washington offices backed Gore
and Lieberman in the 2000 election.
Source: Washington Post
Senate Contributions
(1989-2001)
- Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) was the 20th member of the
Senate to have received the most money from Enron. He received a total of
$6,000.
- On a list of Senators from both parties that received contributions,
Charles E. Schumer (D-NY), was the 4th largest receiver of contributions. He
received a total of $21,933.
- The current chairman of the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources,
Jeff Bingaman (D-NM), received $14,124 in Enron contributions.
- 29 Senate Democrats, not including those that are retired, were unseated,
or died, received a total of $110,513 in the last 12 years.
See the entire list (OpenSecrets.org)
Ken lay was YOUR creature, you lying pig.
>
> > You lying assholes ALWAY forget that Lay was a REGULAR customer of the
> > Lincoln Bedroom under PRESIDENT PENIS and played Golf with him several
> times
> > a month.
> >
> >
>
> More lies. Got a cite?? Nope?
Yep. See the above list, you lying turd.
>
> > >
> > > You remind me of some eight-legged creature, hastily holding up leaves
> and
> > > twigs, in some lame attempt at camouflage.
> >
> > You remind me of a dog turd I just stepped on -- squashed. You fucking
> > Turd.
> >
>
> OOhh. Be careful. WE got us an angry rightard here.
George
You're the liar, here, liberal. You liberals ALWAYS lie.
>
> Lay and Enron gave at least $736,9-- to Bush and $11,000 to Clinton,
> according to the state of Texas and the FEC.
> http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp
http://www.stopdemocrats.com/enron/
50 reasons why the Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to Enron:
All original content is copyright StopDemocrats.com.
George
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
You shouldn't.
He's lying about it.
http://www.stopdemocrats.com/enron/
George
"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
news:42070250...@hotmMOVEail.com...
How come the Bill Clinton, "President Penis," perjurer and rapist, and his
wife aren't sharing a prison cell?
Joe Blow
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
>
>> Lies, lies, lies.
>>
>> Lay and Enron gave at least $736,9-- to Bush and $11,000 to Clinton,
>> according to the state of Texas and the FEC.
>> http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp
>>
>> Larry
>
> Being the unbiased, even handed, non ax grinding sort of altruistic
> godsend that you are, I believe everything you say.
>
> Jim E : p
***
When all is lost you know your position is undefendable, resort to sarcasm.
Joe Blow
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
***
Actually, nobody here is sure WHAT you really are. To begin, you seem to be
someone who harbors a more or less secret admiration for people who can
cheat and get away with it. You have a sort of overweening admiration for
evil incarnate in that sense. In fact you seem awed by it, a little like the
unthinking worship of the Science Officer for the wasp-like Alien out of the
movie by that name. I know you believe yourself to be a red-blooded
American, but maybe you're just some drone-clone who was programmed that way
by AM radio and don't even know it. Maybe if someone whacked your head off
with a 2x4 you'd mess up the room, spewing some white, milky, siliconized
shit all over the place while gibbering like an idiot.
Joe Blow
>
> "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> news:42070250...@hotmMOVEail.com...
>>
>
> How come the Bill Clinton, "President Penis," perjurer and rapist, and his
> wife aren't sharing a prison cell?
>
***
Because they both fully endured due process at the hands of Kenneth Star and
is ilk and the prosecution was found wanting. Even a hostile Congress could
not bring itself to such miscarriage of justice.
Sex scandal is all you've got and even that was not enough. Perhaps you
could be the first one here to find some fault with the way Clinton carried
out the actual duties of his office as opposed to taking a lot of cheap
shots at his private life, or at least you could show how the latter had
some serious effect on the former, but I highly doubt you will.
Bush Lies
Joe Blow
Joe Blow
>
> "Larry Hewitt" <larr...@comporium.net> wrote in message
> news:cu6a5f$4rf1$1...@news3.infoave.net...
>>
>> according to the state of Texas and the FEC.
>> http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp
>
> http://www.stopdemocrats.com/enron/
>
> 50 reasons why the Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to Enron:
> 1. -From 1990 to 1994 Enron gave 42% of their donations to Democrats.
> Source: The Center for Responsive Politics
>
***
And the other 58% went WHERE, again? No one denys that Enron has always
tried to play both sides of the partisan fence. The difference is that with
Republicans, Enron was such a smashing success.
Joe Blow
>
> 9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the Clinton
> administration.
> Source: Fortune Magazine
>
***
Although this is a flat statement, devoid of detail, let's presume it
factual; but one must point out the fact that Enron's malfeasance did not
come to light until the Bush administraion took office. Enron's crime does
not lie with its aggressive mult-national undertakings through the Clinton
years, but rather with it's executives' stupefying betrayal of its own
clients, stockholders and employees.
Maybe you should stop trying to baffle everyone, particularly yourself, with
a lot of bullshit.
JB
Larry Hewitt
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
RNC talking point #1: regulatory agencies are a pain.
RNC talking point #2: career bureaucrats prevent changes
RNC talking point #3: career bueacrats work for promotion rather than do
their jobs
RNC talking point #4: career bureacrats are inept
RNC talking point #5: government regulation is a problem
RNC talking point #6: Free markets solve all of society's ills.
Your handlers have brainwashed you so thoroughly you no longer recognize
their influence.
Larry
Larry Hewitt
This is less than half. This means they gave MORE to republicans than they
did to democrats. Notice that the time period you quote is only 4 years, yet
I counted a full decade.Now take a look at YOUR link to see that , for
ex., Lay and Enron more than doubled their contributions in 1996, giving
_81%_ to repuglicons. Notice also that they gave _92%_ of their
contirbutions to repuglicons in 2002 as their house of cards was falling
apart.
Notice the "democrats" plural. They still only gave $11,000 to Clinton
himself. Versus $736,800 to Bush himself.
YOUR LIE was "Lay gave more to YOUR whore-fucking, clown President, Bill
Clinton, than he did to Bush."
Even your link proves you to be a LIAR.
> 2. -Florida's state pension fund, which lost $325 million on Enron, is
> examining what role Frank Savage, a major Democratic donor, may have
played
> in the state's loss. The fund's investments were directed by Alliance
> Capital Management, where Savage was a senior executive and chairman at
the
> same time he sat on Enron's board. He donated $100,000 to Democrats and
> raised money for New York gubernatorial candidate Carl McCall.
> Source: Time Magazine
>
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/12/143448.shtml
Enron-Tainted Democrat Contributor Has Big Role in Bush Administration
Marc Morano, CNSNews.com
Tuesday, Aug. 13, 2002
Political analysts are questioning the wisdom of the Bush administration in
selecting a prominent Democrat donor with extensive ties to the Enron
business scandal as the manager of a $350 million taxpayer supported
development project in Africa.
Seems he is a friend of Bush, not Clinton.
> 3. -Lloyd Bensten, Clinton's first treasury secretary, was a recipient of
> Enron's money. At the time of his campaign for Senate, he received the
> second largest donation from Enron.
> Source: Center for Responsive Politics
>
This was, of course, _before_ he had any ties to the CLinton
administration( Bentsen last ran for congress in 1988, CXlinton wasn;t
elected until 1992) AND at a timer whne, by your own links, Enron was giving
small sums. And again, by your own statement, it was less than that given to
a repuglicon --- Bush, for his gubernatorial campaign!!
> 4. -Robert Rubin, Bensten's successor, was involved with Enron while he
> worked as an investment banker at Goldman & Sachs. Clinton first hired
Rubin
> to head his National Economic Council. Soon afterwards, Rubin wrote on
> Goldman Sachs stationery to former clients, including Enron, that he
> ''looked forward to continuing to work with you in my new capacity.''
> Source: WorldNet Daily
>
Yep. A brokerage company had Enron as a client. Big whoop.
> 5. -In the days when Franjo Tudjman was Croatia's dictator and pretending
to
> be both a reformed communist and best friend of America in the Balkans,
poor
> Franjo had a problem. He and some of his very best friends were wanted as
> war criminals by the Hague's International Court of Justice. Enron wanted
a
> power contract with Croatia. Enron offered a deal to Tudjman. Sign up with
> us and we will use our gang in Washington to make sure you and your
friends
> don't go to jail.
>
> Tudjman signed. Enron made a heap of money. Nobody went to jail. Everyone
> was happy - until Tudjman died of cancer. Then the lid was off, his
Croatian
> Democratic Union was defeated and the new boys in power in Zagreb could
not
> believe how much of their budget went to pay the electricity bills from
> Enron.
> Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review
>
Got a link showing that Enron actually did wield influence in DC rather than
bew smoke up Tdjman's orifice?? Nope?? Maybe because there was none ---
Enron lied to him??
> 6. - In August 1993, McLarty, Clinton's former chief of staff, arranged an
> invitation for Lay, Enron's CEO, to play golf with Clinton in Vail,
> Colorado. This date irritated Oscar Wyatt, chief executive of Coastal,
> another natural gas company that had helped the Clinton election campaign
> raise funds. These connections to the Democratic administration helped
Enron
> considerably.
> Source: Time Magazine
>
One golf outing. What did Lay do, let Clinton beat him so Lay could sist on
the committee writing energy legislation?? Oops , It was BUSH who let him
do that.
> 7. -Clinton officials publicly helped Enron win contracts in India as well
> as in Indonesia. Enron had received U.S. government funds to build power
> plants in China, the Philippines and Turkey. Enron also won contracts in
> Pakistan and Russia while accompanying senior U.S. government officials on
> state trips. In June 1996, four days before India granted final approval
to
> Enron's project, Lay's company gave $100,000 to the DNC.
> Source: Time Magazine
>
Was there anything different about this than the hundreds of other contracts
for the hundreds of other companies that teh Clinont commerce department
helped?? Nope.
> 8. -Enron got permission to build a pipeline from Mozambique to South
Africa
> after National Security Adviser Anthony Lake threatened to withhold aid to
> Mozambique if it didnt approve the project.
> Source: Mozambique News Agency
>
Hmmm. Sasol, the other company involved in the gas field development and
pipeline disagrees. "Enron and Sasol recognised the considerable synergies
in moving the gas via a single pipeline, which would achieve better
efficiencies and improve the viability of both the companies' projects."
http://w3.sasol.com/natural_gas/content/about.asp
Other sources tout the deal as good for Mozambique's economy. Sounds like
some grousing by a greedy official.
http://www.unido-aaitpc.org/unido-aaitpc/new1/news/2001/12dec/news271201-3.html
Note also that Bush intervened for Enron in international deals as Governor
of Texas. http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=343 "Enron's influence
peddling has had far reaching consequences in other countries as well. In
1989, George W. Bush intervened, as governor of Texas, urging the Argentine
government to grant Enron the contract to build a pipeline from Argentina to
Chile. The Argentine Minister of Public Works told reporters Bush's
intervention amounted to influence peddling. Nevertheless, Enron was awarded
the contract shortly after Bush was publicly seen socializing with then
president of Argentina."
> 9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the Clinton
> administration.
> Source: Fortune Magazine
>
So did Clinton have anything to do with it?? Nope. Did they knwo about it??
Nope --- Enrn's auditors were lying to the regul;atory agencies. Was Bush
personally involved with Lay and Enron during this period?? Yep. He and
Kenny Boy were good friends. Bush let Enron write the Texas electricity
deregulation act. And Bush got him into a lot of places. FOr example. Bush
was instrumental in introducing Enron and Lay to Tom Ridge, governor of
Pennsylvania, where Enron wrote their dergulation law. And as a reward Lat
got Bush to appoint teh key player int eh PA dergulation to FERC, where she
was instrumental in preventing FERC from investigating Enron for the
California energy crisis.
> 10. -Enron Corporation donated $100,000 to the Democratic National
> Committee. Six days later, Enron executives were on a trade mission with
> Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor to Bosnia and Croatia. With Kantor's
> support, Enron signed a $100 million contract to build a 150-megawatt
power
> plant.
> Source: The Weekly Standard
>
> 11. -Kenneth Lay hired the firm of Clinton's former chief of staff Mack
> McLarty.
> Source: Fortune Magazine
>
> 12. -Democratic Senators Chuck Schumer of New York, John Breaux of
> Louisiana, and Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico--chair of the Senate Energy
> Committee--are among the top beneficiaries of Enron's political donations.
> Source: Fortune Magazine
>
> 13. -Kenneth Lay retained Linda Robertson, a Democrat who worked for the
> Clinton Treasury Department, as his top D.C. lobbyist.
> Source: Fortune Magazine
>
So what??
> 14. -Dynergy, an energy company which wanted to buy Enron and later sued
> them, donated $1,000 of dollars to Henry Waxman in the 2001-2002 cycle,
one
> of the men leading the Enron investigation.
> Source: Center for Responsive Politics
>
OOhh a whole $1000. Bush got $736,000.
Worthless crap. You note the $100000 donation to the DNC several times.
Enron hired a few people who were democrats. And NOTHING supports your LIE
that " Lay gave more to YOUR whore-fucking, clown President, Bill Clinton,
than he did to Bush."
All you proved is that you know a cource that did a search on Enron and
democrat.
Larry
Larry Hewitt
An amazing collection of out of context assertions, innuendo, and partisan
attacks.
Larry
>
George
The liberal asshole known as "Larry Hewitt" <larr...@comporium.net> does.
George
>
> "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> news:cu76le$r7d$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > 9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the Clinton
> > administration.
> > Source: Fortune Magazine
> >
>
> ***
> Although this is a flat statement, devoid of detail, let's presume it
> factual; but one must point out the fact that Enron's malfeasance did not
> come to light until the Bush administraion took office.
That's because Janet "Jackboot" Reno was told to lay off investigating by
Clinton. Bush's Justice Department is the one who brought the charges,
moron.
Ditto for Global Crossing (Terry McAuliffe made 23 million dollars SCREWING
the shareholders in that deal -- but then McAuliffe *IS* the outgoing DNC
Chair) and Worldcom. The corrupt legacy of Ron Brown survived his death and
wasn't expunged until Bush cleaned house.
Read Bill Gertz's book "Betrayal: How the Clinton Adminstration Undermined
American Security" and learn how Clinton's culture of corruption even
threatened US national security.
<>Enron's crime does
> not lie with its aggressive mult-national undertakings through the Clinton
> years, but rather with it's executives' stupefying betrayal of its own
> clients, stockholders and employees.
Of course it does. Lay and Enron played the system througout the Clinton
Administration and CLINTON not only turned a blind eye to it, but he
ACTIVELY rewarded Lay for by turning a blind eye.
>
> Maybe you should stop trying to baffle everyone, particularly yourself,
with
> a lot of bullshit.
Maybe you liberals should stop LYING about Lay and Enron and admit that the
Clinton Administration's use of him as a fund raiser gave him official
sanction to rob everybody blind. Lay and the other financial scandals
occured on CLINTON's watch and it is George W. BUSH's prosecutors who are
prosecuting them.
George
>
> "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> news:cu76td$rjo$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> > news:42070250...@hotmMOVEail.com...
> >>
> >> How come Kenny Boy is still walking around free?
> >
> > How come the Bill Clinton, "President Penis," perjurer and rapist, and
his
> > wife aren't sharing a prison cell?
> >
>
> ***
> Because they both fully endured due process at the hands of Kenneth Star
and
> is ilk and the prosecution was found wanting.
BZZZZZZT!
Wrong answer, stupid.
Clinton signed a CONSENT decree admitting guilt.
George
You lied, and I caught you.
Ken Lay and Enron occured on CLINTON'S watch, not Bush's, as was Global
Crossing (Outgoing DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe made $23 million *DEFRAUDING*
stockholders) and Worldcom.
The sooner you assholes stop using CLINTON's malfeasance to attack Bush, the
sooner you will GROW UP.
"Larry Hewitt" <larr...@comporium.net> wrote in message
news:cu88bj$5sch$1...@news3.infoave.net...
George
An amazing collection of FACTS that prove you're nothing but a liberal,
Bush-hating ASSHOLE and fucking liar.
Larry Hewitt
Another lie. I said Bush got a huge amount. No more, no less.
Larry
>
Larry Hewitt
> Listen up, asshole.
>
Listen up, rightard loon. Your haterd of Clinton is cliouding your
judgement. You are all over the place with your accusation, unable to stick
to a single logoical train of thought.
> You lied, and I caught you.
>
No, you dod not. YOU LIED. You said "Lay gave more to YOUR whore-fucking,
clown President, Bill Clinton, than he did to Bush." This is a LIE. Lat and
Enron gve Bush AT LEAST $736,800, as I showed below. They gave Clinton
$11,000. YOUR OWN LINKS showe d that Enron and Lay gave the bulk of their
contributions to repuglicons.
Next you copied a site giveing 50 reasons why Clinton was responsible for
Enron. Each and every one of theose "reasons" is mere assertion, hearsay,
out of context quotes or is demonstrable wrong.
CHill, dude. Let the hate flow from you. You willb e a better man.
> Ken Lay and Enron occured on CLINTON'S watch, not Bush's, as was Global
> Crossing (Outgoing DNC Chair Terry McAuliffe made $23 million *DEFRAUDING*
> stockholders) and Worldcom.
>
> The sooner you assholes stop using CLINTON's malfeasance to attack Bush,
the
> sooner you will GROW UP.
>
And yet despite all of your foaming at the mouth you cannot showe one single
personal link between between Clinton and Lay except they played glf
together once. Yet Bush called him Kenny Boy, and Bush _personally_
intervend on Enron's behalf in Argentina and Pennsylvania, among other
places.
larry
Joe Blow
>
>
>> ***
>> Because they both fully endured due process at the hands of Kenneth Star
> and
>> is ilk and the prosecution was found wanting.
>
> BZZZZZZT!
>
> Wrong answer, stupid.
>
> Clinton signed a CONSENT decree admitting guilt.
***
You must be another one of those bird-brained right-wing idiots who just
makes shit up. The Senate voted for aquital, so what the hell are you
talking about? I highly doubt that you even know the procedural steps
involved in impeachment.
BTW, that silly buzzer thing you frequently do really isn't that
entertaining or interesting, in fact it's kinda nerdy in a juvenile sort of
way. It's something I'd expect my nine-year-old nephew to do. So listen
Skippy, that you'be "mastered" usenet why don't you declare "victory" and
go back to your gameboy, or x-box, or whatever?
Mission accomplished
Joe Blow
Jim E
But everything you listed is true.
What's your point ?
Jim E
Jim E
Then again, forty monkeys might fly out of your ass in the nest four
minutes.
Some game you started,
Jim E
Jim E
"George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message news:cu76n7
>
> You shouldn't.
>
> He's lying about it.
>
> http://www.stopdemocrats.com/enron/
>
>
I trust libs just about as much as muslims these days.
Jim E
Joe Blow
"Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
>>> delay them for years.
>>>
>>> Even this poor dumb republican trailer trash knows that one.
>>> Jim E
>>
>> ***
>> Actually, nobody here is sure WHAT you really are. To begin, you seem to
>> be someone who harbors a more or less secret admiration for people who
>> can cheat and get away with it. You have a sort of overweening admiration
>> for evil incarnate in that sense. In fact you seem awed by it, a little
>> like the unthinking worship of the Science Officer for the wasp-like
>> Alien out of the movie by that name. I know you believe yourself to be a
>> red-blooded American, but maybe you're just some drone-clone who was
>> programmed that way by AM radio and don't even know it. Maybe if someone
>> whacked your head off with a 2x4 you'd mess up the room, spewing some
>> white, milky, siliconized shit all over the place while gibbering like an
>> idiot.
>>
> Some game you started,
> > Jim E
***
Sorry, you just don't get it. I'll try to avoid subtlety, keep the concepts
simpler, the paragraphs shorter, and use words of three syllables or less,
in your case. Silly of me.
So here I am with right-wing flying monkeys just flying out of my ass
Joe Blow
George
> "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> news:cu8g7q$8rr$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >
> >
> >> ***
> >> Because they both fully endured due process at the hands of Kenneth
Star
> > and
> >> is ilk and the prosecution was found wanting.
> >
> > BZZZZZZT!
> >
> > Wrong answer, stupid.
> >
> > Clinton signed a CONSENT decree admitting guilt.
>
> ***
> You must be another one of those bird-brained right-wing idiots who just
> makes shit up. The Senate voted for aquital, so what the hell are you
> talking about? I highly doubt that you even know the procedural steps
> involved in impeachment.
BZZZZT!
Clinton *SIGNED* a consent decree admitting guilt on January 19, 2001.
Didn't you know this?
>
>
> BTW, that silly buzzer thing you frequently do really isn't that
> entertaining or interesting, in fact it's kinda nerdy in a juvenile sort
of
> way. It's something I'd expect my nine-year-old nephew to do. So listen
> Skippy, that you'be "mastered" usenet why don't you declare "victory" and
> go back to your gameboy, or x-box, or whatever?
BZZZZZT!
Game, set, and match to me.
George
>
> "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> news:cu8geg$986$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > Listen up, asshole.
> >
>
> Listen up, rightard loon. Your haterd of Clinton is cliouding your
> judgement.
My dislike of Clinton is well justified.
YOUR Bush-hating lie -- blaming Bush for the INABILITY of Reno to *DO* *HER*
*JOB* by indicting Ken Lay -- whose crimes were committed on CLINTON'S
WATCH, is your problem
>You are all over the place with your accusation, unable to stick
> to a single logoical train of thought.
>
Translation: "George has nailed my dick to the deck and here come the kick
between my legs. OWWWWW!"
Rich Travsky
>
> "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> news:42070250...@hotmMOVEail.com...
>
> >
> > How come Kenny Boy is still walking around free?
> >
>
> them for years.
>
> Even this poor dumb republican trailer trash knows that one.
Ah, and Duhbya is letting him do it.
RT
Rich Travsky
For what?
RT
Rich Travsky
Now now, don't confuse the rightards with unfuzzy math.
RT
Rich Travsky
>
> "Joe Blow" <sp...@menot.com> wrote in message
> news:42076...@newspeer2.tds.net...
> >
> > "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> > news:cu76le$r7d$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > >
> > > 9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the Clinton
> > > administration.
> > > Source: Fortune Magazine
> > >
> >
> > ***
> > Although this is a flat statement, devoid of detail, let's presume it
> > factual; but one must point out the fact that Enron's malfeasance did not
> > come to light until the Bush administraion took office.
>
> That's because Janet "Jackboot" Reno was told to lay off investigating by
> Clinton. Bush's Justice Department is the one who brought the charges,
> moron.
Cite? etc
> Ditto for Global Crossing (Terry McAuliffe made 23 million dollars SCREWING
> the shareholders in that deal -- but then McAuliffe *IS* the outgoing DNC
> Chair) and Worldcom. The corrupt legacy of Ron Brown survived his death and
> wasn't expunged until Bush cleaned house.
>
> Read Bill Gertz's book "Betrayal: How the Clinton Adminstration Undermined
> American Security" and learn how Clinton's culture of corruption even
> threatened US national security.
>
> <>Enron's crime does
> > not lie with its aggressive mult-national undertakings through the Clinton
> > years, but rather with it's executives' stupefying betrayal of its own
> > clients, stockholders and employees.
>
> Of course it does. Lay and Enron played the system througout the Clinton
> Administration and CLINTON not only turned a blind eye to it, but he
> ACTIVELY rewarded Lay for by turning a blind eye.
>
> >
> > Maybe you should stop trying to baffle everyone, particularly yourself,
> with
> > a lot of bullshit.
>
> Maybe you liberals should stop LYING about Lay and Enron and admit that the
> Clinton Administration's use of him as a fund raiser gave him official
Tell is how Clinton used him as a fund raiser, eh?
> sanction to rob everybody blind. Lay and the other financial scandals
> occured on CLINTON's watch and it is George W. BUSH's prosecutors who are
> prosecuting them.
Hint - Kenny Boy is Duhbya's pet name for him - they're buddies.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay1.html
While the White House has repeatedly described former Enron chairman
Kenneth Lay as simply a "supporter" of George W. Bush, extensive
correspondence between the two men paints a far cozier picture of their
relationship, according to copies of letters obtained this afternoon
(2/15) by The Smoking Gun.
The pages of correspondence, exchanged during the years Bush served as
governor of Texas, were released today in Austin by the state archives
in response to Freedom of Information requests filed by TSG and other
news organizations.
The Bush-Lay material touches on both personal matters (birthday
greetings and Bush's knee surgery) and public concerns of Lay and Enron,
such as energy legislation and tort reform, and reflects the kind of
jocular relationship that reportedly saw the nickname-happy Bush call
the Enron boss "Kenny Boy." ...
...
Kenny Boy was even friends with Poppy!
RT
Rich Travsky
What a coincidence. I don't trust rightards.
RT
Jim E
>
>
>
> So here I am with right-wing flying monkeys just flying out of my ass
> Joe Blow
>
>
>
Liberals always were to vulnerable to suggestion.
LOL
Jim E
"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
Nobody cares, sorry
George
"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> George wrote:
> >
> > "Joe Blow" <sp...@menot.com> wrote in message
> > news:42076...@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > >
> > > "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> > > news:cu76le$r7d$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > > >
> > > > 9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the
Clinton
> > > > administration.
> > > > Source: Fortune Magazine
> > > >
> > >
> > > ***
> > > Although this is a flat statement, devoid of detail, let's presume it
> > > factual; but one must point out the fact that Enron's malfeasance did
not
> > > come to light until the Bush administraion took office.
> >
> > That's because Janet "Jackboot" Reno was told to lay off investigating
by
> > Clinton. Bush's Justice Department is the one who brought the charges,
> > moron.
>
> Cite? etc
Read Gertz's book.
George
"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
Do I need to rub your nose in Clinton's turds -- AGAIN -- Travsky?
Joe Blow
***
I knew your'd go for this one.
I try to keep my humor simple in your case, avoiding irony in particular.
Laughing up my sleeve
Joe Blow
Larry Hewitt
Gertz is a gadfly reporter for the Wshington Times. He has both spectacular
successes abd spectacular failures in his reporting.
The biik is published by Regenry Press, a rabid right wing publisher that is
known to have published many highly partisan piecs --- lately the Swift Boat
lies. Even Rush Limbaugh has complained about Regnry's conflict of interest
between comunist Robert Novak and regnery VP Alex Novak . And even Limbaugh
calls some of what Regnery publishes "lies".. Given that Novak was
propagating lies that profit the company his son works for, sensible people
will see no need to listen to what he says."
"http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/articles/novakconflict.htm
That said, Gertz compiles a long list of "crimes" committed by Clinton, some
of which are said to come from 60 pages of classified documents. Most of the
list are allegations and assertions --- interpretations of events motivated
by his strong partisan feelings. Gertz blames Clinton for everything. FOr
example, one of his biggest complaints revolves around missile defense and
the ABM treaty. Gertz castigates Clinton and his defense team for upholding
the treaty and minimizing the Reagan SDI Initiative in an effort to obey the
terms of the treaty. Gertz provides no analysis of the cost or effectiveness
of SDI, and takes the need for it to be a given. Gertz even asserts that the
Soviet Union had a major nuclear upgrade program in progress as
justification, claiming Clinton ignored it. Well, Bush has ignored it,
too --- or it didn;t exist (can anyone say WMDs??).
Getz is not even consistent in his assertions. He chides Clinton for not
taking steps to keep China and Korea in line, yet repeats the "wag the dog"
allegations for Clinton's attacks on Al Qaeda and bin Laden.
This book is little more than historical revisionism under a highly partisan
microscope.
Larry
Jim E
>
> "Jim E" <FatboyPlonker@ FU.gov> wrote in message
>>
>>> Lies, lies, lies.
>>>
>>> Lay and Enron gave at least $736,9-- to Bush and $11,000 to Clinton,
>>> according to the state of Texas and the FEC.
>>> http://www.opensecrets.org/news/enron/enron_pres.asp
>>>
>>
>> Being the unbiased, even handed, non ax grinding sort of altruistic
>> godsend that you are, I believe everything you say.
>>
>> Jim E : p
>
> When all is lost you know your position is undefendable, resort to
> sarcasm.
>
Throw away statement, white noise.
Jim E
"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
Your opinion , and therefore worthless.
Rich Travsky
>
> "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> news:42099322...@hotmMOVEail.com...
> > Jim E wrote:
> >>
> >> "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:42070250...@hotmMOVEail.com...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > How come Kenny Boy is still walking around free?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Because rich people can buy their way out of most things, or at least
> >> delay
> >> them for years.
> >>
> >> Even this poor dumb republican trailer trash knows that one.
> >
> > Ah, and Duhbya is letting him do it.
> >
>
> Your opinion , and therefore worthless.
Then why is Kenny Boy still walking around free? That pesky little fact...
RT
Thaddeus Stevens
> "Thaddeus Stevens" <Democracy@IN_America.com> wrote in message
> news:sdrNd.1038$Bi6...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Enron's former chief executive, Kenneth Lay, an enthusiastic financial
>>backer and friend of President Bush (to whom he was "Kenny Boy"), has been
>>charged with fraud and is facing trial, along with two other company
>>officials, in Houston in September.
>>
>>Tapes reveal Enron's secret role in California's power blackouts
>>
>>Julian Borger in Washington Saturday February 5, 2005 The Guardian
>>
>>Newly discovered tapes have revealed how the energy corporation Enron shut
>>down at least one power plant on false pretences, deliberately aggravating
>>California's crippling 2001 blackouts with the aim of raising prices.
>> The tapes also show that Enron, whose bankruptcy three years ago was
>>the biggest corporate scandal of recent times, manipulated energy markets
>>in Canada and was planning to rig the Californian market even before
>>deregulation in 1998, for which the Texan corporation actively campaigned.
>> The most damning revelations concern Enron's secret role in creating
>>artificial power shortages in California, helping to trigger an energy
>>crisis in 2000 and 2001 which cost residents billions of dollars in
>>surcharges.
>> The crisis ultimately led to the ousting of the state's Democratic
>>governor, Gray Davis, and paved the way for rise of Arnold Schwarzenegger
>>in his place. Meanwhile, the shortages helped Enron to make $1.6bn
>>(£850m).
>> This week, the federal energy regulatory commission recommended that
>>the company return almost $1.7bn acquired from shady energy deals dating
>>back to 1997.
>> Enron's former chief executive, Kenneth Lay, an enthusiastic financial
>>backer and friend of President Bush (to whom he was "Kenny Boy"), has been
>>charged with fraud and is facing trial, along with two other company
>>officials, in Houston in September.
>> Those charges mainly involve allegedly cooking Enron's books to make
>>the energy brokerage appear more profitable and boost its stock price. The
>>new evidence suggests the company may also have promoted deregulation so
>>enthusiastically because it knew it could fix the system to its own
>>advantage.
>>
>>"Enron, more than any company in California came in with consultants and
>>presentations to all the legislators and policymakers to explain how
>>deregulation would work, to explain how Enron was just trying to help,"
>>Eric Saltmarsh, executive director of California's Electricity Oversight
>>Board, told the Guardian. "It later turned out to be part of their scheme.
>>From the earliest days of deregulation, Enron was arguing for market
>>structures that from the beginning it took advantage of."
>>
>>The tapes came to light when a local authority in Washington state went to
>>court over Enron's bills and was permitted to seize internal records from
>>a company warehouse.
>>
>>On one tape, an Enron official named Bill tells an employee called Rich at
>>a Las Vegas power plant to take the plant offline on a confected excuse.
>>The conversation took place on January 17 2001, in the last days of the
>>Clinton administration, as blackouts were rolling across California,
>>cutting off electricity to more than one million people, and after the
>>energy secretary, Bill Richardson, had ordered generators across the west
>>to direct their output to the troubled state.
>>
>>"Ah, we want you guys to get a little creative, and come up with a reason
>>to go down," Bill says on the tape. "Anything you want to do over there?
>>Any cleaning, anything like that?"
>>
>>"OK, so we're just comin' down for some maintenance, like a forced outage
>>type thing?" Rich replies, according to transcripts published yesterday.
>>"I think that's a good plan, Rich," Bill says. "... I knew I could count
>>on you."
>>
>>A spokeswoman for Enron, which is still going through bankruptcy
>>proceedings, refused to comment.
>>
>
>
> Thanks for providing last months news to us on the west coast. The company
> was run by a bunch of thugs.
> So now , I assume you will somehow try to blame this on Pres. Bush, along
> with global warming, hurricanes in Florida, the Asian quake, rainy
> Saturdays, and moldy bread.
>
>
>
> Jim E
Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much
Thereby proving that you believe what you have tried to state as a denial.
Joe Blow
news:420CD913...@hotmMOVEail.com...
Fatboy Jim admires power for its own sake. That way there's never a question
that issues of "right and wrong," or inconvenient things like "justice" will
clutter up one's life. Playing by the rules is for little people,
according to JimE.
Joe Blow
Rich Travsky
Nobody cares what you care about. Sorry.
RT
Rich Travsky
No answer I see...
RT
Rich Travsky
>
> "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> news:42099531...@hotmMOVEail.com...
> > George wrote:
> > >
> > > "Joe Blow" <sp...@menot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:42076...@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > > >
> > > > "George" <spam...@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
> > > > news:cu76le$r7d$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > 9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the
> Clinton
> > > > > administration.
> > > > > Source: Fortune Magazine
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ***
> > > > Although this is a flat statement, devoid of detail, let's presume it
> > > > factual; but one must point out the fact that Enron's malfeasance did
> not
> > > > come to light until the Bush administraion took office.
> > >
> > > That's because Janet "Jackboot" Reno was told to lay off investigating
> by
> > > Clinton. Bush's Justice Department is the one who brought the charges,
> > > moron.
> >
> > Cite? etc
>
> Read Gertz's book.
No hand waving - cite and material required.