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william...@my-deja.com

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From Far Left Academics, through the pseudo-intellectual question-
begging editorial writers on such knee jerk "Liberal" dailies as the
New York Times and the Washington Post, now even including such one
time moderates as the Vice President of the United States, there has
arisen a great hue and cry about "hate" and "bigotry." One would
assume that this great out-pouring was over something of substance;
that somebody was being persecuted, maybe some group was being stoned
to death or burned at the stake. But when one looks, it is only that a
proud people--who have never ceased to honor the heritage of the
Founders of America--have decided to fly one of their historic flags
from their own State House!

Most of us learned the story of the little shepherd boy who kept
calling "wolf" when there was no wolf, as small children. We learned
that that was a good way to get eaten alive. But apparently the lesson
never reached the Editorial desks of the New York Times--a paper long
staffed by perhaps the greatest collection of journalistic yahoos on
the face of the earth.

Let me acknowledge that I, of course, understand why so many
White "Liberals" have jumped aboard the NAACP's efforts to keep racial
confrontation alive in America. Starting with Barry Goldwater and
continuing through Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich, the Republican base
expanded to take in a great many Southern conservatives, who had
previously been the mainstay of the Democratic party, going all the way
back to Thomas Jefferson. It was this expansion that made the
Republican Congressional victories in recent years possible.

With no good issues for 2000--and with a Homosexual albatross and a
high tax stigma around the necks of the present Democratic leadership--
the "Liberal" tacticians are desperate to find some way to divide the
Republican base. That is what this is all about--save for the NAACP,
which was set up to promote this sort of thing in 1909 (see
<"http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/civil.htm">Creating Hate</a>).

Manifestly, there are degrees of hate & bigotry. There have been times
when people were burned at the stake for their beliefs, or because they
seemed to be different. There have been times, when people have been
slandered unmercifully because they refused to let other people think
for them. In those cases, the victims of bigotry were those burned or
slandered. There are other situations, where people simply shun those
whom they do not like. They may hate those people or simply prefer not
to be around them. Clearly, that situation may involve a minor degree
of hatred and bigotry, or simply a mild preference. We all have
preferences.

The South Carolina flag "issue," does indeed involve intolerance,
bigotry and hatred; but the "Liberal" spin doctors have reversed the
meaning of those terms, as everyone else in America has always
understood them. Never before have those who want to honor their
heritage been accused of being motivated by hatred. Honoring tradition
is a labor of love. Never before have those who want to scape goat a
people who choose to honor their heritage; to brand those people as
despicable; been able to convince other Americans that they--the
defamers--occupied the high ground. (Most Americans did not buy the
idea that the scape goating of the Jews in Germany, from Marx through
Hitler, was a pursuit of love and toleration. Most of us understood
that the Communists and Nazis were the bigots, not the Jews; that it
was no crime to be prosperous, or proud of your heritage.)

When Bill Bradley says that he would pull down South Carolina's
Confederate Battle Flag, he displays the mentality of Hitler's
homosexual thugs, who beat up Jews in the streets of German Cities on
the eve of the takeover.

And when the "Liberals" seek to justify their vilification of the
Southern Heritage on the premise that it was a heritage of hatred, they
engage in a lie that would put one of Hitler's lies to shame. The Old
South, which that flag stands for, did indeed believe in human
differences; only a complete idiot would deny the reality that no two
of us are truly alike. That is no problem to most people. But you
will search in vain for any evidence that the Old South was premised on
hatred and bigotry. There are so many more accounts of the loving
relationships between the races in the Old South, than in the whole
rest of America, that this vilification ought to make the gorge rise in
the throat of any fair minded person.

Do you know, for example, that Stonewall Jackson ran a Sunday School
for Negro children in the Shenandoah Valley for years? I mention him,
rather than many other examples, because no man more honored that flag
that is now in dispute by his heroism and faith.

And to return, for the moment, to my Communist and Nazi example. It
was the Old South--the South of the Confederacy--where Jews were first
accorded true acceptance into the American mainstream. Is that a
tradition of "hatred" and "bigotry?"

The most compelling example of that of which I write, is of course the
fact that Booker T. Washington cited the loyalty of the Negro to that
Old Southern heritage as one of his most compelling arguments for the
racial reconciliation and racial progress, for which he labored so
lovingly. (It was to destroy the work of Booker T. Washington that the
NAACP was founded by Socialists in 1909. They were so "loving" that
they denounced a man who as a child worked as a Janitor that he might
educate himself to help his people, as an "Uncle Tom," which they
treated as a term of derision.)

Booker T. Washington spoke at a time, when his listeners had
experienced the Old South--the South of that battle flag--and had also
experienced the Reconstruction--which truly was a hate filled era.
They knew which was which. They knew that the old bond between the
Negro and the patrician South--the South that created that battle flag--
was real. They would never have honored anyone for misstating the facts-
-and Washington was truly honored by Americans of both races.

We hear also about the evil of "slavery"--although not, from these
same "Liberals," about the expressed feelings of prominent
abolitionists who did not want to even allow free Negroes in their
States. One does not endorse the system of labor in the Old South in
recognizing that it was not premised on hatred, anymore than the Feudal
system in Europe was premised on hatred. Here again, the haters are
those that feel the need to misstate history to defame their selected
scape-goats of the present.

Those who chose to keep this assault on South Carolina going, deserve
the contempt of every fair minded American. With their vilification of
others' traditions; with their intrusion into other's business; with
their appeals to bullies and the big lie to target those who are only
minding their own business, they are truly the Nazi thugs of today.

William Flax, Esq.
<a href="http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa>Return Of The Gods
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Ray Cathcart

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In article <86a1rn$7h4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <william...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

> From Far Left Academics, through the pseudo-intellectual question-
> begging editorial writers on such knee jerk "Liberal" dailies as the
> New York Times and the Washington Post, now even including such one
> time moderates as the Vice President of the United States, there has
> arisen a great hue and cry about "hate" and "bigotry." One would
> assume that this great out-pouring was over something of substance;
> that somebody was being persecuted, maybe some group was being stoned
> to death or burned at the stake. But when one looks, it is only that a
> proud people--who have never ceased to honor the heritage of the
> Founders of America--have decided to fly one of their historic flags
> from their own State House!

<most of the stuff is snipped, but the homosexual comment is precious>

> When Bill Bradley says that he would pull down South Carolina's
> Confederate Battle Flag, he displays the mentality of Hitler's
> homosexual thugs, who beat up Jews in the streets of German Cities on
> the eve of the takeover.

<bizarre defense of slavery snipped>


> Those who chose to keep this assault on South Carolina going, deserve
> the contempt of every fair minded American. With their vilification of
> others' traditions; with their intrusion into other's business; with
> their appeals to bullies and the big lie to target those who are only
> minding their own business, they are truly the Nazi thugs of today.
>
> William Flax, Esq.
> <a href="http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa>Return Of The Gods
> Website</a>

I notice you keep refering to a "proud people" that simply want to
celebrate their heritage. I have no doubt that there are indeed
non-racist white southerners who look to the flag with pride and as a
symbol of their proud history. However, a significant portion of South
Carolina's population is black. Certainly it pains blacks to see what
they regard as a symbol of slavery flying over their state capital! I
know that America is based on a system of majority rule, and blacks
know this as well. That is why there exist organizations such as the
NAACP, and rightly so. A boycott is their only recourse, as their
appeals to the decency of the majority have gone unanswered. (I am
aware that they pulled a dirty trick by calling the boycott while
congress was ajourned, but the flag had been flying for over 35 years!)

I won't even comment of your references to homosexuals during WWII. I
was in Germany recently and saw the area where the homosexual camp was.
You and Hitler had similar views on homosexuals, I think. If the
Germans can accept the awful truth (and gracefully, I might add), then
why do you have trouble with it?

I do agree that the South is being unfairly picked on here. You are
correct that Northerners had slaves and were (and often still are!)
extremely racist. But the fact remains that while the Civil War itself
may not have been fought entirely for slavery, just about every issue
leading to the war grew directly from slavery. As such, blacks view the
war as a war for slavery, and that opinion should be respected.

That being said, you are right that only South Carolina has the right
to determine the fate of the flag. However, I live in America and am
proud of the country. SC is part of the union, and as such it's actions
reflect on America. I may someday choose to live in SC. My nationalism
compels me to have interest in a state of my own country! My belief
that racism and bigotry has no business existing in my country compels
me to speak out. If that makes me a Nazi in your eyes, then that is
your problem.

As an aside, the flag that is flying over the capital in SC is actually
the naval flag of the CSA. It was derived from the Confederate battle
flag, which was square. The CSA flag was a white field, with the
familiar "Stars and Bars" in the left corner and a red vertical stripe
on the fly end: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/civil-war-usa/faq/part2/

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