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Dionysus

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Dec 20, 2009, 10:23:17 AM12/20/09
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INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
(not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
socialism.

During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
the Christmas tree of political philosophy:

7. Socialism and marxism reduce our freedoms, thus leading to tyranny.
Freedom, we argue, is a legitimate end in itself�an unalienable right. This
is the foundational principle of America�s Founders. It is no less true
today than in 1782.
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Merry Christmas.

No Surrender!

Dionysus


zzpat

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Dec 20, 2009, 7:27:37 PM12/20/09
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Dionysus wrote:

>
> 7. Socialism and marxism reduce our freedoms, thus leading to tyranny.
> Freedom, we argue, is a legitimate end in itself�an unalienable right. This
> is the foundational principle of America�s Founders. It is no less true
> today than in 1782.
> ****************


When the government engaged in illegal wiretapping, what was that? An
expansion of our freedom or undermining the very core of our
democracy? And where were conservatives when our republic was under
assault by the republican party?

When the government took us to war using half baked truths, lies and
innuendo, what that an expansion of our inherent good or a ploy, a
religious crusade against Muslims?

When lies become acceptable? When the truth has no meaning (there
were no WMDs and yet we stayed at war with Iraq), then what good can
there be in conservatism?

Conservatism is for people who can't think. They must insult others
for the mistakes they made. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of
every republican in the US House and Senate and every republican
president in the past 30 years. The debt they created alone deserves
our strongest condemnation.

ray

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Dec 27, 2009, 8:05:54 PM12/27/09
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In article
<1303b7cb-7393-488b...@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
zzpat <zzpa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dionysus wrote:
>
> >
> > 7. Socialism and marxism reduce our freedoms, thus leading to tyranny.

> > Freedom, we argue, is a legitimate end in itself�an unalienable right.
> > This
> > is the foundational principle of America�s Founders. It is no less true


> > today than in 1782.
> > ****************
>
>
> When the government engaged in illegal wiretapping, what was that? An
> expansion of our freedom or undermining the very core of our
> democracy? And where were conservatives when our republic was under
> assault by the republican party?
>
> When the government took us to war using half baked truths, lies and
> innuendo, what that an expansion of our inherent good or a ploy, a
> religious crusade against Muslims?
>
> When lies become acceptable? When the truth has no meaning (there
> were no WMDs and yet we stayed at war with Iraq), then what good can
> there be in conservatism?
>
> Conservatism is for people who can't think. They must insult others
> for the mistakes they made. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of
> every republican in the US House and Senate and every republican
> president in the past 30 years. The debt they created alone deserves
> our strongest condemnation.

Funny you should use words like "lie" and "debt" considering who is
running the country today. Now that our government is providing the
citizenry with: insulation for your home, new windows, new heating and
AC units, cars, houses and running auto plants, insurance and
threatening to lock up people for not having health insurance, what do
you think the founders would say today about Democrats?

--
Barock Insane Obama: The greatest joke America ever played on itself.

Day Brown

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:23:42 PM12/28/09
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ray wrote:
> what do
> you think the founders would say today about Democrats?
Pretty much the same as they'd say about the GOP. A pox on both
their houses; they are not political parties, but clubs for rich lawyers.

Every one of the founding fathers either was a farmer, had been in
farming, owned farms, or had close kin that did. Its instructive to note
that Gibbon's Vol I of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" came
out in 1776, and starts with the fall of the republic into tyranny.

That happened largely because Crassus manipulated the grain market and
bankrupted yeoman farmers all over Italy. It takes people who have an
investment to protect to protect a republic. What resulted was a mass of
indigent who rioted. That resulted in the dole.

[bread & circuses]= [beer & football]

Jefferson wanted a nation of yeoman farmers cause he knew that's what it
took to maintain a real republic rather than the farce we have now. Its
instructive to note that Robert Kaplan, in his study of the US military,
"Imperial Grunts" found that half the Green Berets grew up on family
farms. This is but 1% of the population providing 50% of the nation's
most competent soldiers.

ray

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:18:30 PM12/28/09
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In article <4b391101$0$16207$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <dayh...@gmail.com> wrote:

When people ask me what party I vote, I tell them Republican. When they
ask why, I tell them because Republicans are sleeze balls.... just not
as much of sleeze balls as Democrats. So while what you say is true, I
think if the founders could return to America and see what it has
become, they would be more upset with the Democrats than the
Republicans. At the very least. Republicans have conservatives in the
party and we want as much federal government out of our lives as
possible, and I think that was a main objective of our founders.

Dionysus

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Dec 28, 2009, 10:34:04 PM12/28/09
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"ray" <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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There is often great truth in droll humor: �Democrats are the only reason to
vote for Republicans�--Will Rogers

Happy New Year.

No Surrender!

Dionysus

zzbu...@netscape.net

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Dec 28, 2009, 11:34:59 PM12/28/09
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On Dec 20, 10:23 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
> socialism.
>
> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:

Well, that's hard to do, since the people with actual lighting
brains
work on lasers, holograms, and New Years day off with pay, rather
than
with idiots like Democrats. And they work on Digital Books, rather
than with
perpetual calender loons like Republicans. And they work on GPS and
Self-Replicating Machines, rather than anything that appears to be
an
AI ploy, and a tree parser.


>
> 7. Socialism and marxism reduce our freedoms, thus leading to tyranny.

> Freedom, we argue, is a legitimate end in itself—an unalienable right. This
> is the foundational principle of America’s Founders. It is no less true

Day Brown

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Dec 30, 2009, 1:39:11 PM12/30/09
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Dionysus wrote:
> There is often great truth in droll humor: �Democrats are the only
> reason to vote for Republicans�--Will Rogers
I remember how the media spun everything Goldwater said out of context.
They got away with it because sheeple were too lazy to look it up. They
are even worse now. If you are an educated voter, you quickly realize
how it is the lazy and ignorant and stupid that are the vast majority
that selects the leadership.

The only vote you have that counts is with your money, your ass, or a
U-Haul. The idea that any of you can convince anyone here, or anywhere
else of what appropriate policy should be, and that it will therefore be
enacted... is delusional.

Dionysus

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Dec 30, 2009, 2:29:48 PM12/30/09
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"Day Brown" <dayh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Not if one keeps one's head...then it's harmlessly entertaining and even
somewhat self-instructing.

Day Brown

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Jan 2, 2010, 11:52:08 PM1/2/10
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I dont like knowing how crazy so many posters are, but I'd still rather
realize the truth. I was a poll watcher in 1998. Saw the minivans from
the rest homes deliver 'voters'. One lady was upset cause she couldnt
find Reagan's name on the ballot. I didnt like knowing that either, but
its clear why Social Security will never be cut back to what the current
generation of taxpayers can afford.

alzheimers dont make you loose the right to vote. The power elites have
always tried to expand the franchise to those who were less mentally fit
and more gullible. The Liberals have as well, but the elites own the
corporate mass media, and are better skilled at manipulation.

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