Guns caused the Fort Hood mass-murder, says Chicago's Mayor
Devil's Advocate
Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
"A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands."
- Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BCE-65 CE ).
Look how long ago the liberals were doing the same stupidity!
Keep in mind that Ft Hood, for whatever insane reason, was a Victim
Disarmament Zone.
http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2009m11d12-
Guns-caused-the-Fort-Hood-massmurder-says-Chicagos-Mayor
Guns caused the Fort Hood mass-murder, says Chicago's Mayor
November 12, 6:36 AMLaw Enforcement ExaminerJim Kouri
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, a loyal Democrat and liberal-left
ideologue, blamed the Fort Hood massacre --perpetrated last Thursday by
a radical Muslim soldier --on firearms.
"Mayor Daley is deplorably capitalizing on the outrage at Fort Hood to
push his gun prohibition agenda," said Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
"This is the height of moral bankruptcy from a man whose administration
was sued Wednesday morning by the Chicago inspector general over
apparent interference with an investigation into possible wrongdoing by
current and former city employees."
The Mayor of one of the most -- if not the most -- politically corrupt
cities in the United States, Daley reacted to the Fort Hood shooting by
telling reporters, "Unfortunately, America loves Guns. We love guns to a
point where that, uh, we see devastation on a daily basis. You don't
blame a group."
"You don't blame guns, either," Gottlieb fired back. "You hold the
perpetrator responsible for his crime, not the instruments he used.
Would Daley blame cars for the highway carnage created by drunk
drivers?"
Gottlieb went on to say, "Perhaps the real culprit here is former
President Bill Clinton. The Washington Times revealed this morning that
after he took office in 1993, the Army, under Clinton, instituted a ban
on the carrying of firearms by military personnel on their bases. As a
result, soldiers have been disarmed and left vulnerable to this kind of
attack. Using Daley's logic, he should blame Clinton for the Fort Hood
massacre. That makes more sense than blaming guns."
Mayor Daley is proud of his involvement with a group called Mayor
Against Illegal Guns, says political strategist Mike Baker.
"As with our current president -- who hails from Chicago -- Daley is
your typical Illinois politician who talk like Hippies but behave like
the Mafia," he quipped.
Gottlieb and other gun-rights activists believe Daley has an agenda that
he shares with other anti-gun extremists: They will exploit any tragedy
to pursue their goal of public disarmament and destruction of the Second
Amendment. Whether it is the assassination of a Seattle police officer,
the murder of 13 people at Fort Hood, or the horrible body count of
crime victims that has piled up in Chicago under Daley's regime, they
will dance through the blood toward the nearest sympathetic microphone
to push their cause.
"I'm not a member of any gun-rights group, but I'm not buying [Mayor]
Daley's analysis. The Fort Hood murders were perpetrated by a radical
Islamist. In this case, he used firearms. He could have used any other
method -- IED [improvised explosive device] or bio-weapon -- and still
would have killed innocent people. Perhaps more than the 13 deaths
attributed to the killer's attack," explains former NYPD detective and
US Marine Sid Frances.
"America must ignore the ravings of anti-gun fanatics," he concluded,
"who are so blinded by a hatred for individual liberty and personal
protection that they cannot see how foolish and petty they have
become," said Gottlieb.
With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens
Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (www.ccrkba.org) is one of
the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit
organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms
freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating
grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities
throughout the United States.
Peter Franks
> This guy is despicable beyond words.
>
> Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
> "A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands."
> - Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BCE-65 CE ).
> Look how long ago the liberals were doing the same stupidity!
>
> Keep in mind that Ft Hood, for whatever insane reason, was a Victim
> Disarmament Zone.
>
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2684-Law-Enforcement-Examiner~y2009m11d12-
> Guns-caused-the-Fort-Hood-massmurder-says-Chicagos-Mayor
>
> Guns caused the Fort Hood mass-murder, says Chicago's Mayor
> November 12, 6:36 AMLaw Enforcement ExaminerJim Kouri
Pure idiocy.
A person caused the mass-murder.
But a GUN most definitely did stop it.
Sanders Kaufman
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> A person caused the mass-murder.
A person, all by himself, could never have done that.
He needed a gun to do what he did.
But it's notable that you defend your right to arm our enemies against us.
Scout
> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:hdk9ts$p97$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> A person caused the mass-murder.
>
> A person, all by himself, could never have done that.
> He needed a gun to do what he did.
And a gun by itself could never have done that either.
However a person, could do the same thing with a car, a bomb, fire, poison,
or any of a thousand other means.
However, for you, it's the old story of "Let's Blame the Gun".
RD (The Sandman)
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> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:hdk9ts$p97$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> A person caused the mass-murder.
>
> A person, all by himself, could never have done that.
> He needed a gun to do what he did.
Perhaps, but it wasn't the gun that did it. He did.
> But it's notable that you defend your right to arm our enemies against
> us.
He wasn't our enemy when he got the gun per NICS. That was due (again)
to other psychologists, etc.. not reporting him. The FBI could have
stopped that purchase also simply by entering into NICS that Hasan was
being investigated. They didn't do.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Sanders Kaufman
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> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> A person, all by himself, could never have done that.
>> He needed a gun to do what he did.
>
> Perhaps, but it wasn't the gun that did it. He did.
Since nobody claimed otherwise?
You gun-nuts are just like the anti-immigrants.
No matter what the topic is, or how unrelated it is to yours - you play the
victim on it.
Klaus Schadenfreude
You just got done playing the victim a few posts ago, claiming "gun
nuts" are "arming our enemies."
[chuckle]
Sanders Kaufman
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> In talk.politics.guns "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>No matter what the topic is, or how unrelated it is to yours - you play
>>the
>>victim on it.
>
> You just got done playing the victim a few posts ago, claiming "gun
> nuts" are "arming our enemies."
It's funny, RD, that the only ones who ever defend your position are
nut-jobs like that.
It says a lot about your position that only these tantrum-throwers ever
agree with you.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:ltttf5565pe6tgo0a...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>>>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>>>No matter what the topic is, or how unrelated it is to yours - you play
>>>the
>>>victim on it.
>>
>> You just got done playing the victim a few posts ago, claiming "gun
>> nuts" are "arming our enemies."
>
>It's funny, RD, that the only ones who ever defend your position are
>nut-jobs like that.
It's even funnier that you've got no idea who the fuck you're replying
to.
>It says a lot about your position that only these tantrum-throwers ever
>agree with you.
It says a lot about your position that you don't even realize what a
duplicitous and hypocritical asshole you are.
Morton Davis
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CC360D71...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>
>>> A person, all by himself, could never have done that.
>>> He needed a gun to do what he did.
>>
>> Perhaps, but it wasn't the gun that did it. He did.
>
> Since nobody claimed otherwise?
> You gun-nuts are just like the anti-immigrants.
That being you, gun nut.
RD (The Sandman)
Usually in these comments from antigun folks, we are the victim.
RD (The Sandman)
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What I find interesting is that they are responding to folks like you.
That says even more.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:CtDLm.22009$de6.12455
>> It's funny, RD, that the only ones who ever defend your position are
>> nut-jobs like that.
>> It says a lot about your position that only these tantrum-throwers ever
>> agree with you.
>
> What I find interesting is that they are responding to folks like you.
> That says even more.
It says they're just like you.
Sanders Kaufman
> Usually in these comments from antigun folks, we are the victim.
How sad for you, to think yourself to be so weak.
Peter Franks
> "Peter Franks" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:hdk9ts$p97$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> A person caused the mass-murder.
>
> A person, all by himself, could never have done that.
> He needed a gun to do what he did.
He needed something. And what's the common element irrespective of the
tool? The person.
The person is the cause. Not the gun.
> But it's notable that you defend your right to arm our enemies against us.
More notable that you can infer garbage out of thin air.
Do you want to have a discussion or not?
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe11.iad:
Shhhh, that's what the other side thinks.....
RD (The Sandman)
When it comes to guns, yes, many of them are.
Sanders Kaufman
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>>
>> A person, all by himself, could never have done that.
>> He needed a gun to do what he did.
>
> He needed something. And what's the common element irrespective of the
> tool? The person.
> The person is the cause. Not the gun.
Nobody claimed otherwise.