Why do so many people hate Bush?

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Chuck Buckley

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Nov 22, 2003, 7:35:33 PM11/22/03
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Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
damage to this great country in so short a period of time.

Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
collective lifetimes.

Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )

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Nov 22, 2003, 7:56:03 PM11/22/03
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One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
The answers are hilarious.

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Ohia

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Nov 22, 2003, 8:01:46 PM11/22/03
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
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> >
> One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
> what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
> The answers are hilarious.
>
There's nothing hilarious about it. Every action that has been taken was
planned well before 911.


Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )

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Nov 22, 2003, 8:24:58 PM11/22/03
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Like what?

RedPill

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Nov 22, 2003, 8:20:47 PM11/22/03
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george is the village idiot. born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.
his is a black and white mind in a Technicolor world.


--redpill.


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Joe S.

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Nov 22, 2003, 8:28:58 PM11/22/03
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George Bush is not the problem. The problem is that he is part of the
entire radical reactionary movement to destroy all progress made in this
country since the Great Depression.

The goal of the radical reactionaries who control the Republican Party was
revealed in all its ugliness when New Gingrich published his "Contract With
America." Gingrich entitled his reactionary legislation "Freedom to XXXX
Act" -- the Freedom to Farm Act, the Freedom to Bank Act, etc., etc.

In fact, what Gingrich proposed was a total rollback of progressive
legislation started with the New Deal. The Republican Party has bitterly
fought against all reform legislation in every field -- labor, banking,
farming, health, financial transactions, you name it. The radical
reactionary Republican Party wants to return to the days of the
late-19th/early-20th century with robber barons, six-day-work-weeks, 10-14
hours workdays, no overtime, no workplace health and safety regulations, no
food safety inspections, no limits on the unbridled powers of banks, stock
manipulators, and monopolies.

When the American public saw this, the Republican majority in the House and
Senate began to drop dramatically.

It was at this point that the Republican Lie Machine swung into action.
Fueled by huge infusions of money from Richard Mellon Sciafe and "Rev" Sun
Young Moon, the rightwing liars convinced many voters that the words
"Democrat" and "Liberal" were the equivalent of leprosy. Meanwhile, the
same lie machine set up GWBush as a compassionate healer.

He is none of the kind. He is totally in the thrall of the radical
reactionaries who intend to "starve the beast."

The radical reactionaries who run the Republican Party see the federal
government as the enemy. Their goal is to destroy all legislative progress
since the New Deal. However, they know that they cannot pass legislation to
wipe out Medicare, to wipe out Social Security, to stop food safety
inspections, to stop investigations into stock fraud. They know the public
would revolt if they tried to do what Gingrich did. So, they are doing it
quietly by running up huge federal deficits and quietly choking off the
programs they do not like.

Regulatory agencies are being starved. Do you really believe anyone is
going to investigate and prosecute Enron, WorldCom, mutual fund
manipulation? Of course not -- because the SEC is being strangled by not
being given sufficient budget to hire the investigators and lawyers it
needs. Same for every other regulatory agency -- do you really believe your
food and medication is being inspected?

GWBush has caved in to big business interests in his move to destroy
overtime pay. Remember a few months ago when the Congress turned down Bush
attempts to wipe out overtime for several million workers? Well, Bush has
attached the defeated legislation to the omnibus spending bill that the
government needs to continue operating -- and he has threatened to veto the
bill if the overtime-killing rider is taken out.

Why do I hate him? It's not so much the man -- he's nothing but an affable
dunce -- it's the policies to which he is captive that will turn this
country back over to the robber barons of the 19th century, all the while
sacrificing our young men and women to never-ending war.

What's your next question?


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Foxtrot

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Nov 22, 2003, 8:50:28 PM11/22/03
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mikey...@yahoo.com (Chuck Buckley) wrote:

Every imaginable unpleasantry in the last three years is
Bush's fault, right Upchuckley? 9/11, the anthrax attacks,
the dot com collapse, the bad fishing season and the
outbreak of athletes foot are all Bush's fault, right?

BW

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"Joe S." <no_ad...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> George Bush is not the problem.


Agreed. The problem is today's Democrat Party.


Stuart Grey

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Nov 22, 2003, 9:10:32 PM11/22/03
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Chuck Buckley wrote:

> Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> damage to this great country in so short a period of time.

What damage?

> Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
> years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
> collective lifetimes.

You care to defend your absurd claims?

Stuart Grey

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Nov 22, 2003, 9:11:36 PM11/22/03
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Ohia wrote:

Now that was incoherent. What actions, and actions
by whom are you talking about?

Stuart Grey

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Nov 22, 2003, 9:23:42 PM11/22/03
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Joe S. wrote:

> George Bush is not the problem. The problem is that he is part of the
> entire radical reactionary movement to destroy all progress made in this
> country since the Great Depression.

Progress towards what? World Socialism? The end
of Freedom? The destruction of America?

Yes, the Soviet Union is no more, China is turning
capitalist, and Cuba is an incredibly impoverished
nation, as is the other world socialism holdout,
North Korea.

Socialism has indeed been set back since the depression.

Is that a bad thing? Certainly not. Bush, his father,
and Ronald Reagan can be proud of their part in
turning back the tide of tyranny, and defending the
United States against it's enemies, foreign AND
DOMESTIC.

> The goal of the radical reactionaries who control the Republican Party was
> revealed in all its ugliness when New Gingrich published his "Contract With
> America." Gingrich entitled his reactionary legislation "Freedom to XXXX
> Act" -- the Freedom to Farm Act, the Freedom to Bank Act, etc., etc.

And, you find freedom bad.

> In fact, what Gingrich proposed was a total rollback of progressive
> legislation started with the New Deal.

"Progressive" is PC speak for "Communist".

> The Republican Party has bitterly
> fought against all reform legislation in every field -- labor, banking,
> farming, health, financial transactions, you name it. The radical
> reactionary Republican Party wants to return to the days of the
> late-19th/early-20th century with robber barons, six-day-work-weeks, 10-14
> hours workdays, no overtime, no workplace health and safety regulations, no
> food safety inspections, no limits on the unbridled powers of banks, stock
> manipulators, and monopolies.

Well, IMHO, the elected Republican office holders
are a bit too much in bed with those that would like
to be robber barons. The rank and file Republican
capitalist want to see the robber barons hung from
the lamp post at the street corner. No, the common man
does NOT want to see his capitalist holdings stolen
by the likes of Ken Lay.

On the other hand, the alternative is to vote for
the capitalist hating socialist/communist in the
alternative party - a sure thing that they will be
robbed of what they own.

All in all, they get a better deal with the Republicans.

> When the American public saw this, the Republican majority in the House and
> Senate began to drop dramatically.

?!? They are now the majority in both houses.

When the American people saw this, they put more
Republicans in office.

> It was at this point that the Republican Lie Machine swung into action.
> Fueled by huge infusions of money from Richard Mellon Sciafe and "Rev" Sun
> Young Moon, the rightwing liars convinced many voters that the words
> "Democrat" and "Liberal" were the equivalent of leprosy. Meanwhile, the
> same lie machine set up GWBush as a compassionate healer.

Nope. The convinced the middle of the road voters
that the Democrats have no ideas other than socialism,
and have decided to be bitterly critical of everything
that the Republicans do, EVEN IF the Democrats were
doing and saying the EXACT SAME THING, and the
Democrats came up with the policy in the first place!

The people are seeing the Democrats as trying to destroy
the nation for their own political goals. They've seen
this in the Rockerfeller memo, and in the California
legislature incident.

> He is none of the kind. He is totally in the thrall of the radical
> reactionaries who intend to "starve the beast."
>
> The radical reactionaries who run the Republican Party see the federal
> government as the enemy. Their goal is to destroy all legislative progress
> since the New Deal.

Again, only if you define "progress" as the
advancement of the socialist/communist goal
and the enslavement of the American people.


ehollo

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Nov 22, 2003, 9:33:23 PM11/22/03
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"Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message
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In terms of financial success, this is a conservative fallacy. Reagan, for
example,
ran up the national debt to unprecedented levels, and so Bush II follows in
his
footsteps.

The four most successful presidents in terms of increasing employment,
lowering
inflating, and reducing deficits--

were all Democrats. Reagan signed the largest tax increase in history. He
still
holds the record.

And the four presidents are:

FDR
Truman
Johnson
Clinton

And, at last count, Bush II has a 29% approval rating worldwide.

You were saying?


Stuart Grey

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Nov 22, 2003, 10:07:47 PM11/22/03
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ehollo wrote:

> "Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message
> news:nGUvb.281631$Fm2.291070@attbi_s04...
>
>>
>>Chuck Buckley wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
>>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>>
>>What damage?
>>
>>
>>>Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
>>>years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
>>>collective lifetimes.
>>
>>You care to defend your absurd claims?
>
>
> In terms of financial success, this is a conservative fallacy. Reagan, for
> example,
> ran up the national debt to unprecedented levels, and so Bush II follows in
> his
> footsteps.

Reagan and Bush had Democrats in control of the
congress. And yes, this spending on "Star Wars"
was one of the things that broke the Soviets.
Wars, even cold wars, cost money. You're side
lost, my side won, get over it.

Winning this war for capitalism and liberty did
a great deal of good for America and set you
socialist back a great deal. The "peace benefit"
from the reduced spending after the victory lead
to the longest economic expansion in U.S. history.


Stuart Grey

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Nov 22, 2003, 10:16:12 PM11/22/03
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Dennis McGee wrote:

> In article <nGUvb.281631$Fm2.291070@attbi_s04>, Stuart Grey


> <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Chuck Buckley wrote:
>>>
>>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused
>>>so much damage to this great country in so short a period of
>>>time.
>>
>>What damage?
>
>

> Try an unnecessary military quagmire,

It's not a quagmire, and it was quite necessary
as you would know if you've been reading even
the recent newspapers.

Even if one has not read the newspapers about the
recently leaked memo; one would note that:
1) One of the big beefs and recruiting points
that Al Qaeda had was that we have had troops
in Saudi Arabia, and Islamic holy area, since
Saddam's original aggression back under Bush I.
2) We couldn't pull out as long as Saddam was
in power, as Saddam still posed a significant
threat that the Saudi's alone could not defend
against, even in Saddam's reduced state.
3) We could leave Saudi Arabia, and remove
one of Al Qaeda's big propaganda points, if
Saddam was REMOVED.
4) We removed Saddam, and then our troop strength
in Saudi Arabia was considerably reduced as
the threat Saddam posed to the region was gone.

Even the untrained observer could see the sound
reasoning behind this motive to the Gulf War II.

When you throw in the fact that we have known
since the Clinton administration that Saddam
was working with Al Qaeda, and proof of this
recently surfaced, the case for war against
Iraq is a slam dunk.

However, some anti American socialist who
want to destroy America are still ranting on
as if they were not proven to be the fools
they are.

> record unemployment, deficits as far
> as the eye can see, and a loss of US prestige worldwide as starters.

We had the longest economic expansion in U.S.
history, mostly due to the reduction in government
borrowing due to Reagan winning the cold war.

It was bound to come to an end, and it did, towards
the end of the Clinton Administration. Bush didn't
cause it, Clinton didn't cause it. It's part of a
natural cycle. So, as far as "record unemployment"
and "deficits", it's just bull.

As to loss of US prestige, yes, socialist all
over the world are pissed that the US has
taken another step back from the brink of
world socialism.

nospam

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Nov 22, 2003, 10:25:58 PM11/22/03
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President Bush has done more in a very short time to show strength and
determination for freedom for us and for all other civilized nations.
He has single handedly controlled terrorism and will continue to do so
until he is allowed to retire.
He is the most wonderful president we have ever had. He has brought
morality, prayer, family and patriotism back into the Whitehouse.

Stuart Grey

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Nov 22, 2003, 11:06:06 PM11/22/03
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Dennis McGee wrote:
> In article <0EVvb.277671$HS4.2462734@attbi_s01>, Stuart Grey
> <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote:
>
> (a bunch of rationalizations for the boyking's incompetence and corruptness)

You make a poor impression when you're challenged
to support these allegations of incompetence and
corruption, and all you can do is endlessly repeat
the same unfounded lies.

> Yeah whatever. You'd be squealing like a stuck pig right now if a Democrat
> incumbent had presided over an unnecessary military quagmire, record


> unemployment, deficits as far as the eye can see, and a loss of US prestige

> worldwide.

The only president to have done that in the last
100 years was LBJ.

> I guess time will tell if Bush's $200 million warchest can convince the
> American people they need to be punished like this for another four years.

KENNETH B. LANE

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I hate Bush due to his being from a long bloodline of criminal thugs who
have raped this nation since it's very beginning. His family financed Adolf
Hitler and financed the attachs on the World Trade Center (thru uncle
Jonathon's place of employ - Rigg Bank--bank Saudie Princess funded the
hijackers thru-- www.riggbank.com .

Republicans are traitors to our nation--always have been and always will be.
They are blood suckers who hate honest work and must suck worth from others
to survive.

Time to educate these creeps on the merits of truth. Dirty, underhanded
tricks is the the way to wealth, at least it shouldn't be anymore!


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James

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"Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message
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I remember Ted Kennedy and other democrats declaring a peace dividend to
spend when the Soviet Union went under. They didn't seem too worried about
any deficit. LOL

Winston Smith, American Patriot

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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<std...@backpacker.com> wrote in inimitable style:

>
>
> Chuck Buckley wrote:
>>
>> Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
>> damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>>
>> Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
>> years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
>> collective lifetimes.
>>
> One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
> what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
>

Muslims saw Bush invade Afghanistan and said that the Taliban/al Qaeda
deserved it. The whole world agreed.

Then Muslims saw Bush invade Iraq and said that Iraq did NOT deserve
it...had been cooperating...the proof is "where is the WMD?"....and
suspected, then knew it was about oil and Israel's desire to arrange the
Middle East to its liking. These Muslims now go to Iraq like iron filings
to a magnet, to sign up to kill Americans for the Crusade the U.S. starts
1000 years after the last one. For Bush's illegal invasion, not only those
who were indifferent to us now hate us (Muslims), but those who were our
friends and allies now are indifferent to us.

> The answers are hilarious.

Yuck it up, moron.


U N Me

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--=Cochise~||~Guardian=-- wrote:

> \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> George W. Bush is so pro-Mexican that if you hit him with a stick, prizes would fall out of him.
> That traitor needs to be impeached.
> ////////////////////////

I wonder if there's a market for bush pinatas?


fiend999

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In article <7wVvb.280038$Tr4.863263@attbi_s03>, Stuart Grey
<Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote:

> ehollo wrote:
>
> > "Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message
> > news:nGUvb.281631$Fm2.291070@attbi_s04...
> >
> >>
> >>Chuck Buckley wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> >>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
> >>
> >>What damage?
> >>
> >>
> >>>Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
> >>>years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
> >>>collective lifetimes.
> >>
> >>You care to defend your absurd claims?
> >
> >
> > In terms of financial success, this is a conservative fallacy. Reagan, for
> > example,
> > ran up the national debt to unprecedented levels, and so Bush II follows in
> > his
> > footsteps.
>
> Reagan and Bush had Democrats in control of the
> congress.

So what is W's excuse?

Vendicar Decarian

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"Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message
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> Progress towards what? World Socialism? The end
> of Freedom? The destruction of America?

That just about sums it up....

ehollo

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"Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message
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I think it's Bush's personality.


yoso...@hotmail.com

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I would like to rephrase the questions. What has Bush done in the
last three years that has improve the lives of the American people.
These answers should be hilarious. Crap like making us stand tall,
showing the world who's the boss, and jingo crap won't do it. How have
our lives improved on average.

I personally can't think of anything of substance that this man has
done that will leave this world a better place due to GW Bush being
our president. That's a pretty sad thought when you consider he is
theoretically the most powerful man on the planet. Busness ethics,
education,the environment, the treatment of the poor and the
disenfranchised, our respect and position in the world, personal
freedom, the level of violence in the world. etc.. It just seems
endless. The man has improved nothing, but worse, he does not seem to
give a fat rats ass anyway..you could at least give credit if you felt
he tried.

Ted Hart

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Eyeball Kid

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In article <3FC005A3...@backpacker.com>, the oblique allusion in

lieu of the frontal attack <std...@backpacker.com> wrote:

> Chuck Buckley wrote:
> >
> > Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> > damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
> >
> > Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
> > years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
> > collective lifetimes.
> >
> One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
> what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
> The answers are hilarious.

Yeah. The comic relief begins when the families of the 9/11 dead can't
get a straight answer from the White House about what information they
knew before the attacks. More laughs build to a crescendo when the
families of the dead from the Iraq invasion and occupation ask where
the justifications for the war went. And from way up in the peanut
gallery, the guffaws can be heard from the Pope, who opined that any
invasion of Iraq would constitute an "unjust war" (Hmm.. I guess that
means that the head of the Catholic Church is implying that unjustified
killing means that Bush has ordered the murdering of countless Iraqis.
But what does the Pope know, anyway, when it is Bush himself who said
that God had told him to invade Iraq?).

Well, my sides are aching from all of this hilarity. I've got to rest
now.

E. K.

--
Free humor. Whenever you want. http://www.psmueller.com

"It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human
cloning to come out of that chamber."季.W. Bush, Wash. D.C., April 10, 2002

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he
makes and we should just support that."- Britany Spears, 9/2003

He Pep!

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Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message news:<nGUvb.281631$Fm2.291070@attbi_s04>...

> Chuck Buckley wrote:
>
> > Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> > damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>
> What damage?

A trillion dollars in new debt, millions of lost jobs, and an
involvement in a hugely expensive and unnecessary war that has cost of
the lives of hundreds of our military people does sping to mind.

>
> > Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
> > years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
> > collective lifetimes.

> You care to defens your absurd claims?

If terrorists could cause a trillion dollars in new debt, deprive 2.5
million Americans of their jobs, and embroil us in a vanity war and
quagmire that would further deplete our economy and cost of the lives
of hundreds of our military, I should think they would consider such
destruction terrorist successes.

But they weren't caused by terrorists, the were caused by the
indifference and flat out stupidity our remarkably inmept and
incompetent president.

>
> You care to defend your absurd claims?

Care defend your absurd "president" beyond asking "why daddy?"
questions?

Grace

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Nov 23, 2003, 11:00:22 AM11/23/03
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ROFLMAO!!!!!


Are you fucking brain-damaged or what? He's a miserable failure as a
pResident and as a human being. He has no morals. Look beyond the
marketing, dumbass.


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Grace

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Actually, cunt, the problem is stupid people like you who refuse to look
past the party line to see how devasting this administration's policies have
been to the PEOPLE who they work for. See, that is what your ilk forgets,
they work for us not the other way around.


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Stuart Grey

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Winston Smith wrote:

> "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
> <std...@backpacker.com> wrote in inimitable style:
>
>
>>
>>Chuck Buckley wrote:
>>
>>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
>>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>>>
>>>Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
>>>years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
>>>collective lifetimes.
>>>
>>
>>One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
>>what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
>>
>
>
> Muslims saw Bush invade Afghanistan and said that the Taliban/al Qaeda
> deserved it. The whole world agreed.

No. NATO wanted to make Afghanistan a NATO mission
so they could stop it, for example. That's why the
U.S. went after the 9-11 terrorist without the support
of NATO.

> Then Muslims saw Bush invade Iraq and said that Iraq did NOT deserve
> it...had been cooperating...the proof is "where is the WMD?"....and
> suspected, then knew it was about oil and Israel's desire to arrange the
> Middle East to its liking. These Muslims now go to Iraq like iron filings
> to a magnet, to sign up to kill Americans for the Crusade the U.S. starts
> 1000 years after the last one. For Bush's illegal invasion, not only those
> who were indifferent to us now hate us (Muslims), but those who were our
> friends and allies now are indifferent to us.

They all hated us anyway. The idea that we shouldn't
go stop the ones that are killing us because they
may kill us has been debunked. It's irrational on
the face of it.

It is far better to fight them in Iraq than to have
to fight them in New York.

You America haters are never going to change your
anti American spew. We pretty much take that as a given,
now.

Stuart Grey

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fiend999 wrote:

> In article <7wVvb.280038$Tr4.863263@attbi_s03>, Stuart Grey

>>>In terms of financial success, this is a conservative fallacy. Reagan, for


>>>example,
>>>ran up the national debt to unprecedented levels, and so Bush II follows in
>>>his
>>>footsteps.
>>
>>Reagan and Bush had Democrats in control of the
>>congress.
>
>
> So what is W's excuse?

I know you're joking, which is what makes it so sad!

The Republicans are having problems keeping the budget
under control now because:
1) The longest economic expansion in American history
ended just before President Bush took office. The fall
in tax revenue made for a big budget shortfall.
2) To get the economy going again, the President and
Congress passed tax cuts, slightly raising the deficit.
This policy may have worked (or it might have been
the end of the natural cycle of economic downturn
after expansion...)
3) The terrorist acts of 9-11 have put a large
burden on the government to increase domestic
security, and this cost money. We also have had
to fight two foreign wars to root out the terrorist
and their allies, and this costs money too.

But all in all the big problem they faced was
(1), and the economy does seem to be turning around.
I don't even think it can be said to be certain
that it was the Republican's doing.

Vendicar Decarian

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"Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message
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> 1) One of the big beefs and recruiting points
> that Al Qaeda had was that we have had troops
> in Saudi Arabia, and Islamic holy area, since
> Saddam's original aggression back under Bush I.
> 2) We couldn't pull out as long as Saddam was
> in power, as Saddam still posed a significant
> threat that the Saudi's alone could not defend
> against, even in Saddam's reduced state.
> 3) We could leave Saudi Arabia, and remove
> one of Al Qaeda's big propaganda points, if
> Saddam was REMOVED.
> 4) We removed Saddam, and then our troop strength
> in Saudi Arabia was considerably reduced as
> the threat Saddam posed to the region was gone.

Listen to the sniveling little peon-NeoCon traitor repeat the lie to protect
his discredited Liedeology....

No. 851-03
IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 15, 2003

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

DoD Statement on News Reports of Al Qaeda and Iraq Connections
News reports that the Defense Department recently confirmed new information
with respect to contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq in a letter to the Senate
Intelligence Committee are inaccurate.

A letter was sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Oct. 27, 2003,
from Douglas J. Feith, under secretary of defense for policy, in response to
follow-up questions from his July 10 testimony. One of the questions posed
by the committee asked the department to provide the reports from the
intelligence community to which he referred in his testimony before the
committee. These reports dealt with the relationship between Iraq and al
Qaeda.

The letter to the committee included a classified annex containing a list
and description of the requested reports, so that the committee could obtain
the reports from the relevant members of the intelligence community.

The items listed in the classified annex were either raw reports or products
of the CIA, the National Security Agency or, in one case, the Defense
Intelligence Agency. The provision of the classified annex to the
Intelligence Committee was cleared by other agencies and done with the
permission of the intelligence community. The selection of the documents
was made by DoD to respond to the committee's question. The classified
annex was not an analysis of the substantive issue of the relationship
between Iraq and al Qaeda, and it drew no conclusions.

Individuals who leak or purport to leak classified information are doing
serious harm to national security; such activity is deplorable and may be
illegal.


Selma Ritter

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"Vendicar Decarian" <V...@Pyro.net> wrote in message news:<0h_vb.1005$oe.7...@read1.cgocable.net>...
> "Stupid Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message

World Corporate Socialism? The end of Freedom? The destruction of America?

Yep. Sums up 3 years of Bush misrule to a tee.

Stuart Grey

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ehollo wrote:

> "Stuart Grey" <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message

>

> I think it's Bush's personality.

Could be. I, myself, hate to hear him give a speech.
He pauses in his lines like William Shatner. Shatner
did it because he was trying to remember his lines.

Still, I don't fault him for not being charismatic.

(I fault him for leaning too far to the left...)


Vendicar Decarian

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"He Pep!" <he_pe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a112fa89.03112...@posting.google.com...

> > What damage?
>
> A trillion dollars in new debt, millions of lost jobs, and an
> involvement in a hugely expensive and unnecessary war that has cost of
> the lives of hundreds of our military people does sping to mind.

You failed to mention the perpetual stream of lies from the Bush
administration, the hypocricy, distortion, illegality and outright acts of
terror used by the Bush administration to finish Daddy Bush's unfinished
personal business. And profiteer and loot america in the process.

The Enemies of America love Bush.


Vendicar Decarian

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"nospam" <bist...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> President Bush has done more in a very short time to show strength and
> determination for freedom for us and for all other civilized nations.

True. Bush has destroyed more freedom in America than any other president
in U.S. history.

Americans are far too cowardly to state this simple fact for themselves.

They fear Bush retribution.

Stuart Grey

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yoso...@hotmail.com wrote:

1) Waged war against the Al Qaeda terrorist. This is
something President Clinton did NOT do event though
Al Qaeda attacked the WTC, trying to blow it up; blew
up two of our embassies; blew up the USS Cole; blew
up the U.S. Army barracks in Dhahran... Clinton wouldn't
take Osama bin Laden on a silver platter! President
Bush has a world wide manhunt for him, dead or alive.
AT LEAST BUSH IS TRYING TO KILL THAT SON OF A BITCH!!!

2) Is making the middle east more stable by getting us
out of Saudi Arabia and kicking Saddam, who was collaborating
with Al Qaeda, out of Iraq.

3) Just as much as Bush "caused" the economic downturn (I'm
never going to get you controlled economy commies to admit
that in a capitalist economy, there are natural cycles) he
"fixed" it with tax cuts.

4) At least socialist/communist American hating judges
are not being appointed anymore. Come on, Lannie Grenier
for Attorney General?!

> I personally can't think of anything of substance that this man has
> done that will leave this world a better place due to GW Bush being
> our president. That's a pretty sad thought when you consider he is
> theoretically the most powerful man on the planet.

Sad that you're an idiot. Or sad that you're an American
hating liar. Or sad that you can't think past your own
Anti American wishful thinking. Or sad that you have let
yourself be blinded by your own hate.

I have no idea why you produce this stupid crap. It is
just enough to know that you do, I guess.

> Busness ethics,
> education,the environment, the treatment of the poor and the
> disenfranchised, our respect and position in the world, personal
> freedom, the level of violence in the world. etc.. It just seems
> endless. The man has improved nothing, but worse, he does not seem to
> give a fat rats ass anyway..you could at least give credit if you felt
> he tried.

Yeah. Bush made a complete stop to the "progress" you world socialist
were making in enslaving the American people. Total bitch,
eh?

Vendicar Decarian

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"Eyeball Kid" <mar...@nospam.wvi.com> wrote in message
news:231120030648330235%mar...@nospam.wvi.com...

> Yeah. The comic relief begins when the families of the 9/11 dead can't
> get a straight answer from the White House about what information they
> knew before the attacks.

It's only coincidental that the Bush Administration claims there was no
evidence of planning for such an attack yet teh evidence already in shows
that miltiple warnings were given over several years. And in fact an attack
exercise of just such an event was planned to occurr the very same day as
the real event.

It's wonderful to watch Republicns lie so about so many things, and
refreshing to see the depths peon-NeoCon's will go in order to justify and
prumolgate those lies.

Bush is a traitor and a gift to all those who Hate America.

Stuart Grey

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Eyeball Kid wrote:

> In article <3FC005A3...@backpacker.com>, the oblique allusion in
> lieu of the frontal attack <std...@backpacker.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Chuck Buckley wrote:
>>
>>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
>>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>>>
>>>Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
>>>years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
>>>collective lifetimes.
>>>
>>
>>One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
>>what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
>>The answers are hilarious.
>
>
> Yeah. The comic relief begins when the families of the 9/11 dead can't
> get a straight answer from the White House about what information they
> knew before the attacks.

Oh yeah. Let's expose all our sources and methods to
a bunch of people with no need to know.

> More laughs build to a crescendo when the
> families of the dead from the Iraq invasion and occupation ask where
> the justifications for the war went.

The justification didn't go anywhere.

If you find Saddam, you'll probably find the WMD.
He didn't use WMD against us in Gulf War I. He used
them to regain control of the Iraqi people. He knew
that no matter what he used, there was no way he
could stop the U.S. from kicking his ass. He's in
one of his underground bunkers somewhere.

His strategy is simple; he fights a low level,
highly visible terrorist war against the Americans,
to try and get US to leave ASAP. Then, he can come
out and kick ass of whomever is in charge with
his WMD, just as he did in Gulf War I.

It is now public knowledge that Saddam and Al Qaeda
were working together. You Anti Americans are pretty
big on trying to overlook that fact.

> And from way up in the peanut
> gallery, the guffaws can be heard from the Pope, who opined that any
> invasion of Iraq would constitute an "unjust war" (Hmm.. I guess that
> means that the head of the Catholic Church is implying that unjustified
> killing means that Bush has ordered the murdering of countless Iraqis.
> But what does the Pope know, anyway, when it is Bush himself who said
> that God had told him to invade Iraq?).

So, you're anti-Abortion now? And you're going to
mass every Sunday?

I don't think so. I think you pick and choose what
the Pope says.

tkdowning

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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message news:<Xns943BE26EE...@64.164.98.7>...

> "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
> <std...@backpacker.com> wrote in inimitable style:
>
> >
> >
> > Chuck Buckley wrote:
> >>
> >> Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> >> damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
> >>
> >> Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
> >> years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
> >> collective lifetimes.
> >>
> > One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
> > what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
> >
>
> Muslims saw Bush invade Afghanistan and said that the Taliban/al Qaeda
> deserved it. The whole world agreed.
>

Fucking bullshit. Regarding Afghanistan, there were national and
worldwide protests from the usual suspects like ANSWER.

Go to google groups and search around the time of the Afghan invasion.
You will find usuall whining, second-guessing, fake outrage, and
hand-wringing from leftists as you do today about Iraq today, probably
even more...

Stuart Grey

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He Pep! wrote:
> Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message news:<nGUvb.281631$Fm2.291070@attbi_s04>...
>
>>Chuck Buckley wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
>>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>>
>>What damage?
>
>
> A trillion dollars in new debt, millions of lost jobs, and an
> involvement in a hugely expensive and unnecessary war that has cost of
> the lives of hundreds of our military people does sping to mind.

As I explained in another post...

1) The economy has cycles, and it started it's downturn
under clinton. It's now started it's upturn.
2) When he economy is in a down part of it's cycle,
the taxes collected go down but the spending remains
the same, resulting in debt.
3) Besides all the other good reasons for war against
Saddam, like to get us out of Saudi Arabia, we know
now that Saddam was working with Al Qaeda, despite
the lies of the Anti Americans.

No damage here, other than the fact that Bush happened
to be president when we went to war. If Clinton had
taken care of things when he had the chance, Bush would
not have gotten into this mess.

Do recall it was CLINTON who allowed the North Koreans
to build nuclear weapons.

>>>Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
>>>years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
>>>collective lifetimes.
>
>
>>You care to defens your absurd claims?
>
>
> If terrorists could cause a trillion dollars in new debt, deprive 2.5
> million Americans of their jobs, and embroil us in a vanity war and
> quagmire that would further deplete our economy and cost of the lives
> of hundreds of our military, I should think they would consider such
> destruction terrorist successes.
>
> But they weren't caused by terrorists, the were caused by the
> indifference and flat out stupidity our remarkably inmept and
> incompetent president.

I see a bunch of stupid claims, but no objective facts.
The lion's share of the debt is caused by the economic
downturn. Economic downturns are a natural occurrence in
a capitalistic economy. When the economy goes down, tax
revenue goes down. Government spending remains the same.
So, there are deficits. It's not Bush's fault and it's
not Clinton's fault, it just happens. Just like the
upturn that follows just happens. So, scratch the debt
and job loss parts of your argument.

Vanity war? Let's see... Terrorist blew up the WTC,
part of the Pentagon, and intended to blow up part of
the White House or the Capital building. Prior to this,
they set off a big bomb in the WTC, blew up two of our
embassies, a military barracks, and a U.S. warship. Bush
goes to war. Vanity war? Hell no, that's a big lie.
The link between Al Qaeda and Saddam's Iran is now
public knowledge. So your argument here is shown to be
a bunch of Anti American commie propaganda.

So, you don't have much.

>>You care to defend your absurd claims?
>
>
> Care defend your absurd "president" beyond asking "why daddy?"
> questions?

I didn't vote for him, nor did I think he would make
a good president.

On the other hand, I'm not a rabid slobbering idiot
anti American shit bag of a socialist, either; so I give
him credit where credit is due.

I dislike his "no child left behind" act, because the
fed has no business in education. There are several other
things I don't like about his policies that I can't recall
right now because you commie bastards keep me so busy
pointing out your stupid bullshit lies.

jose soplar

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yoso...@hotmail.com wrote in message news:<l661svccqacn7u8j5...@4ax.com>...

If you are waiting around for somebody else to improve your life or
expecting the guvment to do that, you are a miserable failure in life
and deserve whatever life has in store for you.

Kirk Gregory Czuhai

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mikey...@yahoo.com (Chuck Buckley) wrote in message news:<d59e4cf.03112...@posting.google.com>...

> Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>
> Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
> years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
> collective lifetimes.

I AGREE google^google percent !!! http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/thetruth.jpg

only good bushes: http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/bb.jpg

Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )

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"Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote:
>
> "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
> <std...@backpacker.com> wrote in inimitable style:
>
> >
> >
> > Chuck Buckley wrote:
> >>
> >> Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> >> damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
> >>
> >> Bush has done more harm to the United States of America in 3 short
> >> years than all the terrorists in the world could accomplish in their
> >> collective lifetimes.
> >>
> > One thing that is rather fun to do is to ask people like you exactly
> > what it is that Bush or didn't do that caused all this supposed harm.
> >
>
> Muslims saw Bush invade Afghanistan and said that the Taliban/al Qaeda
> deserved it. The whole world agreed.
>

Yea, right. You'll notice that the Liberals around here opposed the
invasion of Afghanistan when it was going on. You'll notice that the
Islamo-wackos ran to Afghanistan to give aid to the Taliban. That's what
happened, deny it at your own risk. The same thing is happening now.

> Then Muslims saw Bush invade Iraq and said that Iraq did NOT deserve
> it...had been cooperating..
>

Iraq was supposed to get compliant in 1991, not after keeping inspectors
out since 1998 in 2003.


> .the proof is "where is the WMD?"....and
>

That is proof of nothing. Iraq was supposed to show compliance. Iraq did
not do that.


> suspected, then knew it was about oil and Israel's desire to arrange the
> Middle East to its liking.
>

You are insane.


> These Muslims now go to Iraq like iron filings
> to a magnet, to sign up to kill Americans for the Crusade the U.S. starts
> 1000 years after the last one.
>

If Muslims want to die to keep Iraqis under the thumb of Saddam, Muslims
are insane along with you.


> For Bush's illegal invasion, not only those
>

How was it illegal and Clinton's Balkan's bombing wasn't?


> who were indifferent to us now hate us (Muslims), but those who were our
> friends and allies now are indifferent to us.
>

LOL. They hate us for making them free. Absurd.



> > The answers are hilarious.
>
> Yuck it up, moron.
>

We are winning and you loons are not.

--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."
+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"

Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )

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A lot of the idiot Liberals around here are just pretending that they
supported the Afghan efforts because they know that is water under the
bridge and they want to appear 'moderate', ha ha. It is pretty easy for
them to distance themselves from their previous comments because most of
them change their nyms regularly.

Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )

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Vendicar Decarian wrote:
>
> "Eyeball Kid" <mar...@nospam.wvi.com> wrote in message
> news:231120030648330235%mar...@nospam.wvi.com...
> > Yeah. The comic relief begins when the families of the 9/11 dead can't
> > get a straight answer from the White House about what information they
> > knew before the attacks.
>
> It's only coincidental that the Bush Administration claims there was no
> evidence of planning for such an attack yet teh evidence already in shows
> that miltiple warnings were given over several years.
>

You mean back to Clinton? If we get hit with a nuclear weapon or
chemical weapons or bioweapons, you can look back and see plenty of
warnings and you will and you will blame Bush, won't you?

He Pep!

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Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message news:<6U6wb.285087$Tr4.878888@attbi_s03>...

> He Pep! wrote:
> > Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message news:<nGUvb.281631$Fm2.291070@attbi_s04>...
> >
> >>Chuck Buckley wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
> >>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
> >>
> >>What damage?
> >
> >
> > A trillion dollars in new debt, millions of lost jobs, and an
> > involvement in a hugely expensive and unnecessary war that has cost of
> > the lives of hundreds of our military people does sping to mind.
>
> As I explained in another post...
>
> 1) The economy has cycles, and it started it's downturn
> under clinton. It's now started it's upturn.

Bush's passive role in the economic affairs of our country are pretty
obvious. However, one quarter of economic growth fueled by new debt
funded so-called "tax rebates' are hardly the stuff of an economic
turnaround. We are still 2.5 million jobs down from January of 2001.
Ironic that the very people who are benefiting from the "3 Month Bush
Boom" are the same people who received all the tax cuts. The vast
majority of americans have been left out in the cold.

Remember, Bush will be the first president since Herbert Hoover to
oversee a net loss of jobs during his administration. Babbling about
Clinton does nothing to dispel this rather stunning historical fact.
It is a failure on Bush's part that will be talked about for decades.

> 2) When he economy is in a down part of it's cycle,
> the taxes collected go down but the spending remains
> the same, resulting in debt.

And Bush's fiscally insane tax cuts had nothing to do with this? Are
you always in the habit of avoiding facts that inconvenience your
preconceived agenda?

> 3) Besides all the other good reasons for war against
> Saddam, like to get us out of Saudi Arabia, we know
> now that Saddam was working with Al Qaeda, despite
> the lies of the Anti Americans.

If there was an al Qaeda connection to Iraq at all, it has yet to be
proven. But it is nice that we've removed our offensive selves from
Saudi Arabia. Perhaps if we had a president whose true allegiences
were to the United States rather than the international oil cartel we
would be sending more troops into Saudi Arabia due to its undeniable
role in the 9-11 murder of American citizens. The connections between
the Saudis and al Qaeda are far more substantive than anything linking
Iraq to the same. The terrorists, their leadership, and the funding
that made their murderous acts possible, were all Saudi in origin. Not
Iraqi. And still Bush stonewalls against any real investigation into
9-11.



> No damage here, other than the fact that Bush happened
> to be president when we went to war.

Hundreds of billions in new debt and the deaths of hundreds of our
service people is nothing to you, sir? The war was based on the big
lie that Iraq posed an immediate threat to the safety of the people of
the United States, and that Iraq played a role in 9-11. As it turns
out nothing could have been farther from the truth.

nospam

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Obviously you are too stupid to know a great president when he is
available to all of us to save this nation from the liberal scum and
third world types who are living here but will soon be sent to the
borders and out of the US.
We need to round them up and put them on reservations in some deserted
desert.
Then back to their primitive land.
Mary Belle Republican, Patriot and True Christian

--=Cochise~||~Guardian=-- wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:25:58 GMT, nospam <bist...@earthlink.net> opined:


>
>
>>President Bush has done more in a very short time to show strength and
>>determination for freedom for us and for all other civilized nations.

>>He has single handedly controlled terrorism and will continue to do so
>>until he is allowed to retire.
>>He is the most wonderful president we have ever had. He has brought
>>morality, prayer, family and patriotism back into the Whitehouse.
>
>

> You have posted this blather in alt.comedy, have you not? As a former Republican I have got to say that Bush,
> like the rest of his inbred Texican hog-screwing klan, actually makes Hitler look to be not quite as bad he
> was. Helen Thomas is absolutely right about old Jorge........ worst 'leader' ever. Damned RINOs.
>
> Draft Tancredo in 2004.
>
> -----------------------

nospam

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Nov 23, 2003, 8:25:43 PM11/23/03
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Look Gracie...liberal scum. You need to get back on your drugs and face
reality. He has the best record of any president that has held the
reins of government.
He is wonderful as is his whole blest family.
God bless our president and his family and all the Republican, Patriots
and True Christians...I am happy to be counted amongst them.
Mary Belle

nospam

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They fear only what evil they do as the liberal scum they are.
When they can become patriots and stop speaking ill of our president and
government then they can return to society.
We then will return to a civilized nation. Until then these people need
to be watched and caged where necessary.
Mary Belle

Stuart Grey

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He Pep! wrote:

> Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message news:<6U6wb.285087$Tr4.878888@attbi_s03>...
>
>>He Pep! wrote:
>>
>>>Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message news:<nGUvb.281631$Fm2.291070@attbi_s04>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chuck Buckley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
>>>>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>>>>
>>>>What damage?
>>>
>>>
>>>A trillion dollars in new debt, millions of lost jobs, and an
>>>involvement in a hugely expensive and unnecessary war that has cost of
>>>the lives of hundreds of our military people does sping to mind.
>>
>>As I explained in another post...
>>
>>1) The economy has cycles, and it started it's downturn
>>under clinton. It's now started it's upturn.
>
>
> Bush's passive role in the economic affairs of our country are pretty
> obvious. However, one quarter of economic growth fueled by new debt
> funded so-called "tax rebates' are hardly the stuff of an economic
> turnaround.

Which way are you going to argue this? You can't have
it both that Bush didn't do anything significant to turn
around the economy and that the economy would have been
on its way up even without the tax cuts; and also claim
that the tax cuts are too temporary to make a difference
in the long run.

If the tax cuts DID spark the economy, then the obvious
thing to do is make them permanent per the Bush plan.
And we give credit to Bush.

> We are still 2.5 million jobs down from January of 2001.
> Ironic that the very people who are benefiting from the "3 Month Bush
> Boom" are the same people who received all the tax cuts. The vast
> majority of americans have been left out in the cold.

The "vast majority", the 50% of the population with a lower
than average taxable income, only pay 4% of the income taxes.

This is like the guy getting free pizza bitching about how
unfair it is that the guy who has to pay for the pizza gets
a dollar off coupon. "Hey! I should get a dollar back on my
free pizza!: Get real! You don't GET a better break
than not having to pay any significant amount of taxes.

> Remember, Bush will be the first president since Herbert Hoover to
> oversee a net loss of jobs during his administration. Babbling about
> Clinton does nothing to dispel this rather stunning historical fact.
> It is a failure on Bush's part that will be talked about for decades.

Nope. Only in "Commie World(tm)", that bizarre other reality
that you commiecrats live in.

>>2) When he economy is in a down part of it's cycle,
>>the taxes collected go down but the spending remains
>>the same, resulting in debt.
>
>
> And Bush's fiscally insane tax cuts had nothing to do with this? Are
> you always in the habit of avoiding facts that inconvenience your
> preconceived agenda?

The tax cuts are an insignificant addition to the
total deficit. Your hate the working man, stoke the
fires of class warfare propaganda is pathetic. Why
don't you commiecrats go back to your worker's paradise,
Cuba or North Korea? You should love it there, they
do ALL of your policies.

>>3) Besides all the other good reasons for war against
>>Saddam, like to get us out of Saudi Arabia, we know
>>now that Saddam was working with Al Qaeda, despite
>>the lies of the Anti Americans.
>
>
> If there was an al Qaeda connection to Iraq at all, it has yet to be
> proven.

Ah, the commiecrat rebuttal: bend over, shove head up
ass, and claim not to see the evidence. Yes, I know the
routine. You will question existence itself before you
admit who the bastards are that are harming the United
States. But the fact is, the link has been shown:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/11/18/132000.shtml

> But it is nice that we've removed our offensive selves from
> Saudi Arabia. Perhaps if we had a president whose true allegiences
> were to the United States rather than the international oil cartel we
> would be sending more troops into Saudi Arabia due to its undeniable
> role in the 9-11 murder of American citizens.

Ah yes. More of the "Commie World (tm)" other world
delusions. You "just know" that it's all a vast
conspiracy.

Well, you're just crazy.


nospam

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Nov 23, 2003, 8:31:19 PM11/23/03
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The Republicans are the only saviours of this nation. The Bush family
is a great family with a long heritage of service to the United States.
It would seem you are very jealous that you don't come from such a
stately heritage.
Were your progenitors just common cotton pickers? I suppose so your
comments do reveal that very plainly.
Try to get an education and join the Republican groups and learn about
the real America not your fearful imagined America.
Republicans have always been those of commerce and industry whilst the
democraps have been the drones.
Mary Belle

KENNETH B. LANE wrote:

> I hate Bush due to his being from a long bloodline of criminal thugs who
> have raped this nation since it's very beginning. His family financed Adolf
> Hitler and financed the attachs on the World Trade Center (thru uncle
> Jonathon's place of employ - Rigg Bank--bank Saudie Princess funded the
> hijackers thru-- www.riggbank.com .
>
> Republicans are traitors to our nation--always have been and always will be.
> They are blood suckers who hate honest work and must suck worth from others
> to survive.
>
> Time to educate these creeps on the merits of truth. Dirty, underhanded
> tricks is the the way to wealth, at least it shouldn't be anymore!
>
>
> "Chuck Buckley" <mikey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d59e4cf.03112...@posting.google.com...
>

>>Most patriots could never care for a president who has caused so much
>>damage to this great country in so short a period of time.
>>

Winston Smith, American Patriot

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Nov 23, 2003, 9:15:01 PM11/23/03
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Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in inimitable style:

I want you to list every American ever killed by the state of Iraq since
the cessation of hostilities in the War to Liberate Kuwait. I want you to
name, date, and detail the act of war committed by Iraq against the United
States that prompted our invasion.

> It's irrational on
> the face of it.
>
> It is far better to fight them in Iraq than to have
> to fight them in New York.

It is far better not to fight anyone at all unless YOU are the one STARTING
the fight!

> You America haters are never going to change your
> anti American spew. We pretty much take that as a given,
> now.

How long did it take the German people to get rid of the diseased minds of
those thuggish countrymen who made up the Nazi fist of Hitler?

It will no doubt take America as long to deal with the pathology that is
the support of Bush.

U N Me

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Nov 23, 2003, 9:51:00 PM11/23/03
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nospam wrote:

> Obviously you are too stupid to know a great president when he is
> available to all of us to save this nation from the liberal scum and
> third world types who are living here but will soon be sent to the
> borders and out of the US.
> We need to round them up and put them on reservations in some deserted
> desert.
> Then back to their primitive land.
> Mary Belle Republican, Patriot and True Christian
>

But that won't save you from your fate in hell.


yoso...@hotmail.com

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Nov 23, 2003, 9:52:21 PM11/23/03
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:53:36 GMT, Stuart Grey
<Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote:

>
>
>yoso...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> I would like to rephrase the questions. What has Bush done in the
>> last three years that has improve the lives of the American people.
>> These answers should be hilarious. Crap like making us stand tall,
>> showing the world who's the boss, and jingo crap won't do it. How have
>> our lives improved on average.
>
>1) Waged war against the Al Qaeda terrorist. This is
>something President Clinton did NOT do event though
>Al Qaeda attacked the WTC, trying to blow it up; blew
>up two of our embassies; blew up the USS Cole; blew
>up the U.S. Army barracks in Dhahran... Clinton wouldn't
>take Osama bin Laden on a silver platter! President
>Bush has a world wide manhunt for him, dead or alive.
>AT LEAST BUSH IS TRYING TO KILL THAT SON OF A BITCH!!!

According to all credible sources, Ossama Bin Ladin ain't in Iraq,
but of course now most of our military is. Al Queada has us pinned
down but could. Smart way to go looking for a criminal gang. I am sure
your willing too over look all the lies Bush told to get us over
there. But I bet you could reel off 20 pages of Clinton lies by heart.
If this is your idea of integrity what can one say.

>
>2) Is making the middle east more stable by getting us
>out of Saudi Arabia and kicking Saddam, who was collaborating
>with Al Qaeda, out of Iraq.

Yeah, he moved us out of Saudi Arabia, too keep the heat off the
friendly dictators in the house of Saud, moved them over to Iraq,
where we can really cut loose.

This is your idea of stabiliyt eh.


>3) Just as much as Bush "caused" the economic downturn (I'm
>never going to get you controlled economy commies to admit
>that in a capitalist economy, there are natural cycles) he
>"fixed" it with tax cuts.

I'll admit they natural, you admit they naturally fix themselfs. He
working for the consolidation of wealth in the hands of a few. A very
few. You most likely will not be included when it's all done. Welcome
banana republic. It's a horrible policy, that eats at all that America
is supposed to be about. I'll leave this alone.
At any rate the economy and jobs ain't exactly bubbling over.

>
>4) At least socialist/communist American hating judges
>are not being appointed anymore. Come on, Lannie Grenier
>for Attorney General?!

John Ashcroft, a real voice of moderation and freedom.

Name calling eh. Obviously nothing to say here. Me neither.

>
>> I personally can't think of anything of substance that this man has
>> done that will leave this world a better place due to GW Bush being
>> our president. That's a pretty sad thought when you consider he is
>> theoretically the most powerful man on the planet.
>
>Sad that you're an idiot. Or sad that you're an American
>hating liar. Or sad that you can't think past your own
>Anti American wishful thinking. Or sad that you have let
>yourself be blinded by your own hate.

Oh, name calling directed at me. Did I call you an idiot, even though
I completely disagree with you. Sorry, for asking a question,
discussion and debate is becoming a bit scarce these days. A natural
result when one's argument's start getting a bit weak and desparate.

>
>I have no idea why you produce this stupid crap. It is
>just enough to know that you do, I guess.

That enhances the discussion. Typical though, no need to know why the
world is the way it is.

>> Busness ethics,
>> education,the environment, the treatment of the poor and the
>> disenfranchised, our respect and position in the world, personal
>> freedom, the level of violence in the world. etc.. It just seems
>> endless. The man has improved nothing, but worse, he does not seem to
>> give a fat rats ass anyway..you could at least give credit if you felt
>> he tried.
>

>Yeah. Bush made a complete stop to the "progress" you world socialist
>were making in enslaving the American people. Total bitch,
>eh?

I was so enslaved untill GW Bush came along. Why do I feel less free
now????

Yeah, guess will have to give up the clean air and water, go back to
a dog eat dog world where people with power just get more and then run
over anyone in there way.

And now we can tell the rest of the world how it's gonna be. Might
makes right eh. Land of the free. Don't think they won't come for you
wither when it suits them.

All I can say is when the Pendulum swings back the other way...duck!


Bushsucks

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Nov 23, 2003, 10:57:26 PM11/23/03
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You cluel;ess Dumfuk:

The first 1000 days of Appointee Bush is a HORROR SHOW!

A LOST War in Afghanistan, an unnecessary Iraq war Bush led
us in to using LIES and deceit, a war which will cost the USA
hundreds of billions in money, and hundreds of lives as we
are mired there for DECADES; ALIENATION of out major allies;
DESTRUCTION of our relations with the UN and NATO, American
troops killed or maimed daily with no rational Iraq exit plan;
misfired missiles into Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan; TERROR,
GI's with SLIT THROATS, unemployed UP 50%, RECORD budget deficits
of hundreds of billions as far as the eye can see, after
getting handed $5.6 TRILLION in surpluses, anthrax, snipers,
EXPOSING the identity of covert CIA agents; corporate frauds
ignored- like Enron and "Kenny-boy" Lay;, lost secret spy planes,
chips to be implanted in you, FORCED smallpox vaccinations.

Lost civil rights, privacy invasions, a huge useless new
"Homeland Defense burocracy- UNFUNDED and headed by an idiot;
spy on your neighbor, 14% hikes in Federal spending - so high
they refuse to BUDGET for future Iraq war costs; SOARING HEALTH
CARE costs, an idiotic Tax Cuts for the Rich plan followed by
a SECOND Dividend Tax Cuts for the Rich absurdity, new Tax Plans
where only WAGEARNERS are taxed and millionaire stock and bond
holding coupon clippers have tax rates slashed to 15%.

RECORD HIGH bankruptcies, global HATE of America, a fallen WTC,
air / water pollution and rape of resources being encouraged,
huge crime increases, CUTTING of funds for local police, state
and local government bankruptcies with no Federal help, soaring
college costs, plunging charity contributions, rising hate crimes,
mass staff firings and resignations, racial division, appointment
of criminals to key position, FAILURE to pursue REAL terrorists
like Bin Laden, and failing to fund domestic border defense.

Soaring gang violence, decimated 401k's, pre-emptive NUKE use
policies, misplaced priorities -WAR on non-threat Iraq, PAYOLA
to Nuke threat N Korea, allowing Scud delivery to "Alqueda haven"
Yemen, ignoring port and border security, approving TORTURE of
captives held by the USA, "Homeland Security" via "tarps and
duct tape" while Bush screams WAR! TERROR! TERRORISTS! all day
every day in desparate hopes that terrorizing America AND THE
WORLD keeps him in office, and distracts from his failures.

America has slipped into a BUSH HORROR SHOW during 1000 days
of this Appointed Insane Megalomaniac's Bush Regime. His is the
WORST administration in USA history, by orders of magnitude.

I knew it would be BAD - I never dreamed it could be THIS bad.
NOTHING good EVER happens, and EVERY HOORROR IMAGINABLE occurs.

nospam wrote:
>
> President Bush has done more in a very short time to show strength and
> determination for freedom for us and for all other civilized nations.

> He has single handedly controlled terrorism and will continue to do so
> until he is allowed to retire.
> He is the most wonderful president we have ever had. He has brought
> morality, prayer, family and patriotism back into the Whitehouse.
>

John

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Nov 24, 2003, 1:43:00 AM11/24/03
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> The Republicans are the only saviours of this nation. The Bush family
> is a great family with a long heritage of service to the United States.

You mean like the time George W. Bush went AWOL to escape his air
national guard unit's departure for Vietnam? Long heritage of service,
yup. And tell me, what exactly are the Republicans saving us from? The
evil Islamic Terrorist Democrats? Who want to balance the budget, get
a sensible man elected to office and not blow people up all around the
world with fighter jets?

>
> 1) Waged war against the Al Qaeda terrorist. This is
> something President Clinton did NOT do event though
> Al Qaeda attacked the WTC, trying to blow it up; blew
> up two of our embassies; blew up the USS Cole; blew
> up the U.S. Army barracks in Dhahran... Clinton wouldn't
> take Osama bin Laden on a silver platter! President
> Bush has a world wide manhunt for him, dead or alive.
> AT LEAST BUSH IS TRYING TO KILL THAT SON OF A BITCH!!!
>

> 2) Is making the middle east more stable by getting us
> out of Saudi Arabia and kicking Saddam, who was collaborating
> with Al Qaeda, out of Iraq.

This I just don't get. No one ever produced any evidence that Saddam
was collaborating with Al Qaeda - even the Bush administration says it
has no evidence to support the goal. Yet 60-70% of Americans
(according to a recent poll) believe that Saddam had something to do
with September 11th. Why is this country full of such idiots?

And answer me this one - What did Bush do in the year he had before
September 11th to combat terrorism? Couldn't have been a big problem,
then, could it?

And Clinton did go after Bin Laden, with missile strikes and
international diplomatic initiatives and the like, not with massive
military campaigns committing the entire military, and then failing to
find the man (like someone we know). And Al Qaeda did not bomb the
WTC. That was a guy named Yoseuf from Islamic Jihad. Let us not forget
that Saddam was a secular leader, and did not sympathize with the
cause of Al Qaeda, and it worked both ways. God, you people really
need to learn to read - The facts are out here. Don't be force fed by
American media.

> 3) Just as much as Bush "caused" the economic downturn (I'm
> never going to get you controlled economy commies to admit
> that in a capitalist economy, there are natural cycles) he
> "fixed" it with tax cuts.

Granted, the downturn was not directly linked to Bush. However, what
has he done to fix it? Given us record budget defecits, given us a tax
cut only for the more wealthy, in the so called trickle down effect
(which does not and will not work). He's given us two wars, both
causing unbelieveably fragile stock markets, especially with the price
of oil and the like. 3/4% of this 7% GDP gain people keep talking
about was expansion of oil and defense companies profiting from Iraq.
I suppose war is a good business venture, and good for our economy,
then. And don't be so sure we're out of the proverbial woods yet -
we're still in the most fragile stock market in recent memory. Stocks
are more overvalued now than they were when the bubble burst in 2001;
and this war shows no signs of going away anytime soon. Let's not
forget how adept Bush is at caving in to big business - Free Trade
Agreements with Chile and Singapore are exporting jobs overseas in an
already terrible unemployment market. (BtW, unemployment is much
higher than 6%, once you stop receiving benefits then you are no
longer as counted as unemployed..Interesting)

If there is one person that is responsible for the slight upturn in
the economy, then we should thank Alan Greenspan - who doesn't like
Bush at all, I might add.

>
> Sad that you're an idiot. Or sad that you're an American
> hating liar. Or sad that you can't think past your own
> Anti American wishful thinking. Or sad that you have let
> yourself be blinded by your own hate.
>

Perhaps you might want to take off the blinders, Captain America.
Patriotism just as dangerous as any sort of idealistic religious
crusade.

Chase
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On 23 Nov 2003 22:43:00 -0800, ariadum...@yahoo.com (John) wrote:

>Why is this country full of such idiots?

Maybe it is you and not them.

Josh Rosenbluth

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Stuart Grey <Stuar...@comcastdot.net> wrote in message news:<vj6wb.284849$Tr4.876927@attbi_s03>...
> fiend999 wrote:
>
> > In article <7wVvb.280038$Tr4.863263@attbi_s03>, Stuart Grey
>
> >>>In terms of financial success, this is a conservative fallacy. Reagan, for
> >>>example,
> >>>ran up the national debt to unprecedented levels, and so Bush II follows in
> >>>his
> >>>footsteps.
> >>
> >>Reagan and Bush had Democrats in control of the
> >>congress.
> >
> >
> > So what is W's excuse?
>
> I know you're joking, which is what makes it so sad!
>
> The Republicans are having problems keeping the budget
> under control now because:
> 1) The longest economic expansion in American history
> ended just before President Bush took office. The fall
> in tax revenue made for a big budget shortfall.
> 2) To get the economy going again, the President and
> Congress passed tax cuts, slightly raising the deficit.
> This policy may have worked (or it might have been
> the end of the natural cycle of economic downturn
> after expansion...)
> 3) The terrorist acts of 9-11 have put a large
> burden on the government to increase domestic
> security, and this cost money. We also have had
> to fight two foreign wars to root out the terrorist
> and their allies, and this costs money too.
>
> But all in all the big problem they faced was
> (1), and the economy does seem to be turning around.
> I don't even think it can be said to be certain
> that it was the Republican's doing.

The fiscal mess we are in is largely voluntary and the result of Bush
policy, although 9/11 does play a part (the Iraq war was voluntary as
is the growth in domestic non-security spending and the tax cut).

During the 2000 campaign, Bush called for tax cuts arguing that we had
a large projected surplus (even when not counting Social Security
surpluses). Even Gore called for substantial tax cuts too. Then came
the recession and what did Bush call for? The *SAME* tax cuts (!?).
Those cuts were not a stimulus to pull us out of a recession. Most of
them weren't going to take effect for years to come. Bush used the
recession as an excuse to pass his supply-side tax cuts.

Now the recession is over and we will hopefully have a long expansion.
But, we have Reagan redux too. High spending (you would think Bush
would realize we can't afford the tax cut given all the new 9/11
spending) and lower revenues thanks to supply-side tax cuts. The
result in Reagan's time was a systemic deficit and exploding debt even
with good growth. We might see that again, only this time we are fast
approaching the Social Security and Medicare fiscal debacle when debt
pressures will pull the economy down if we don't get our act together.

The Bush economic plan is bad.

Josh Rosenbluth