Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Rosie O'Donnell, Other Liberals Side With Terrorist Khalid Mohammed

3 views
Skip to first unread message

rema...@cyberpunk.com

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 7:16:22 AM3/17/07
to
Liberals like Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Gere, David Letterman and the left
wing
media such as the Washington Post, NY Times and Boston Globe seem to feel
some compassion for Islamofascist monster Khalid Sheikh Mohammed whose
civil rights were violated by those nasty fascists Bush and Cheney.

So what if Mohammed boasted about murdering 3000 innocent civilians,
including
women and children on 9/11, that's no excuse for holding the terrorist for
four years
without a trial and a lawyer. Sue he beheaded Daniel Pearl, but Pearl was a
Jew and had it coming.

And the poor Mohammed was kidnapped by those damned American
soldiers or CIA agents. That was against the precious Geneva Convention, I
believe.
Sean Penn and Bill Maher even claim that Mohammed was tortured.
Can you believe such American brutality? It goes against the U.S.
Constitution. Bush and
Cheney are worse than Hitler.

It has been rumored that Khalid Shiekh Mohammed was even
water boarded by his American captors. That is unbelievably barbaric. Bush
will go down
in history as more evil than Mao Zedung, Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot. And to
think that
he was democratically elected by the American people.

Is it no wonder Americans are hated around the world. And that the
peace-loving Muslims keep shouting
"death to America". It's all Bush's fault. Sure there were many terrorist
actions against
the U.S. before Bush came to power. But hatred of America was never greater
than it is now.

gringo

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 11:29:11 AM3/17/07
to
Wouldn't it have been something? A fair trial, with real lawyers
presenting real evidence, with real judges protecting the human rights
of both victims and the accused? A confession not coerced by torture?
An impartial jury? A trial that affirms the superiority of our justice
system?

Instead, for all time, this man's guilt will always be in doubt. For all
time, in the minds of a majority of people around the globe, the term
*American Justice* will be considered an oxymoron.

--
*fas-cism* (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.
-- The American Heritage Dictionary



"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is...I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."
------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999

Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:08:29 PM3/17/07
to
rema...@cyberpunk.com said:
> Liberals like Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Gere, David Letterman and the left
> wing
> media such as the Washington Post, NY Times and Boston Globe seem to feel
> some compassion for Islamofascist monster Khalid Sheikh Mohammed whose
> civil rights were violated by those nasty fascists Bush and Cheney.
>
You forgot to mention the Bush-hating leftist radical cult from Texas who call
themselves the "Dixie Chicks".

If you ask me, anyone who despises Bush and his war-like ways is an enemy of
the state.

John McKay

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:25:15 PM3/17/07
to

Brilliant commentary, Generalissimo "Lambourn". I can just picture you
sitting at Cabinet table in the White House or maybe at the Pentagon.

You'd be telling everyone that, if the objective is to spread the ideals
of freedom, democracy and the rule of law to the Middle East, the best
way to do it is suspend habeus corpus rights, impose martial law, carpet
bomb the place into oblivion, ignore military rules of engagement,
torture prisonser and -- the piece de resistance -- suspend the U.S.
Constitution so that anyone who laughs at your idiocy can be locked up
indefinitely without charge.

As usual, "Lambourn", you are a source of comic relief. But we're
laughing AT you. The whole world is laughing at you.

voice

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:31:52 PM3/17/07
to
On Mar 17, 11:08 am, Sebring 12 <sebrin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> remai...@cyberpunk.com said:> Liberals like Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Gere, David Letterman and the left

Not at all, it means they are the foe of Bush and his policies.

Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:31:57 PM3/17/07
to
John McKay darken...@hotmail.com said:
> As usual, "Lambourn", you are a source of comic relief. But we're
> laughing AT you. The whole world is laughing at you.
>
>

I often wonder why Rick Mercer doesn't recruit creative writers like him.

The man is a walking parody of a right wing nut case.

Jeb Springfield

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:39:45 PM3/17/07
to
You're right. Good people who know them, don't hate Americans as a people.

It's not hard to debate how so many hate their leadership though.

If only Gabriel Ross Perot's kid Ross had become President back in 1996.

He would probably have thrown so much money at the "Islamofacists" that Usama
would have been serving him tea and crumpets!

Sanity

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:41:34 PM3/17/07
to

"gringo" <gri...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:4PTKh.21341$68....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...

......you mean kinda' like the O.J. Simpson trial?

t1gercat

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:49:48 PM3/17/07
to
> > ------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You get in trouble and tell us what you'd prefer.

t1gercat

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 12:51:44 PM3/17/07
to
On Mar 17, 12:08 pm, Sebring 12 <sebrin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> remai...@cyberpunk.com said:> Liberals like Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Gere, David Letterman and the left

You live in the United States, idiot. Read the Constitution. Better
yet, get a 5th grade history text; it's more your speed.

Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 1:04:48 PM3/17/07
to
t1gercat wexfo...@yahoo.com said:
> You live in the United States, idiot. Read the Constitution. Better
> yet, get a 5th grade history text; it's more your speed.
>
I want Rosie to sing the US Anthem the day Bush leaves!

Rosie is an ugly, screwed-up and mouthy American.

But, like another ugly, screwed-up and mouthy American by the name of Trump,
she makes a fortune!

gringo

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 1:40:01 PM3/17/07
to

too bad that the FBI got involved with LA cops/DA in manufacturing
evidence. THey didn't trust their own evidence, and therefore doctored
the results, and therefore, the jury justifiably spanked their behinds.
I too think OJ is guilty, but, having watched every moment of the
televised trial while recuperating from surgery, had I been on that
jury, I too would have voted OJ not guilty.

Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 1:51:22 PM3/17/07
to
gringo gri...@nospam.net said:
> too bad that the FBI got involved with LA cops/DA in manufacturing
> evidence. THey didn't trust their own evidence, and therefore doctored
> the results, and therefore, the jury justifiably spanked their behinds.
> I too think OJ is guilty, but, having watched every moment of the
> televised trial while recuperating from surgery, had I been on that
> jury, I too would have voted OJ not guilty.
>


The OJ trial was hilarious, an absolute circus with jurors selling book rights
because they were selected.

The prosecutor got her ass kicked, she was totally incompetent and out classed.

And by the way, I don't think that the Bush Adminstration wants to mess with
Rosie.

After all, she's of the same sexual persuasion as Vice President Cheney's
daughter.

John McKay

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 2:12:35 PM3/17/07
to

I suggested to him last week he should form his own comedy show. The
first appearance could be in front of a room full of CEOs where he could
do his routine about how the practical use of microeconomics in business
is "socialist". Guaranteed to have the whole room laughing at him.

Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 2:59:44 PM3/17/07
to
I know Lorne Michaels (Lorne Michael Lipowitz) through Howard Shore's family.

Maybe there's room for him in the SNL writing staff!

A dark, dank back room, where they write Liberal jokes that never get on the
air because of the great Leftist Conspiracy!

Yep! That's the ticket!

Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 3:04:20 PM3/17/07
to
Sebring 12 sebr...@yahoo.com said:
> John McKay darken...@hotmail.com said:
> > Sebring 12 wrote:
> > > John McKay darken...@hotmail.com said:
> > >> As usual, "Lambourn", you are a source of comic relief. But we're
> > >> laughing AT you. The whole world is laughing at you.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I often wonder why Rick Mercer doesn't recruit creative writers like him.
> > >
> > > The man is a walking parody of a right wing nut case.
> >
> > I suggested to him last week he should form his own comedy show. The
> > first appearance could be in front of a room full of CEOs where he could
> > do his routine about how the practical use of microeconomics in business
> > is "socialist". Guaranteed to have the whole room laughing at him.
> >
> I know Lorne Michaels (Lorne Michael Lipowitz) through Howard Shore's family.
>


And yes, since you asked. When I was a kid, I saw Lighthouse a thousand times!

Howard Shore played Sax.

John McKay

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 4:06:00 PM3/17/07
to

Hehe. That would be perfect. Just in time for the '08 election cycle.
SNL has "Lambourn" writing routines that portray a paranoid, right wing
nutcase. "Lambourn" would think it was serious stuff. The audience would
be laughing at the idiot. He'd get indignant at the laughter and foam at
the mouth about the audience being full of "leftist/socialists".
The only thing you'd need to warn Lorne Michaels about is that he'd have
to have secure room in the psych ward at Bellevue on stand-by for
"Lambourn" when he has his inevitable melt-down.

Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 4:16:17 PM3/17/07
to
John McKay darken...@hotmail.com said:
> The only thing you'd need to warn Lorne Michaels about is that he'd have
> to have secure room in the psych ward at Bellevue on stand-by for
> "Lambourn" when he has his inevitable melt-down.
>
Lorne was there during the cocaine-infested days of Franken, Belushi, Buck
Henry and so-on.

I'm sure he has a plan!

Biff Limbaugh

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 5:17:47 PM3/17/07
to

<rema...@cyberpunk.com> wrote in message
news:96QKh.350012$k82....@fe07.news.easynews.com...

> Liberals like Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Gere, David Letterman and the left
> wing

All smarter than you with the exception of Rosie. She's as obnoxious as you
but not really smarter than anyone.

J. Carroll

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 5:28:20 PM3/17/07
to
Biff Limbaugh wrote:
> <rema...@cyberpunk.com> wrote in message
> news:96QKh.350012$k82....@fe07.news.easynews.com...
>> Liberals like Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Gere, David Letterman and the
>> left wing
>
> All smarter than you with the exception of Rosie. She's as obnoxious
> as you but not really smarter than anyone.
>
>> media such as the Washington Post, NY Times and Boston Globe seem to
>> feel some compassion for Islamofascist monster Khalid Sheikh
>> Mohammed whose civil rights were violated by those nasty fascists
>> Bush and Cheney.


http://www.vdare.com/misc/horowitz_natural_conservatives.htm

"Meanwhile, Inside-The-Beltway eminence Grover Norquist thinks Muslims have
become the conservatives' secret weapon. In the June issue of The American
Spectator, Norquist, argued in a piece titled "Natural Conservatives," that
George W. Bush owed his margin of presidential victory to Islamic voters.
Norquist referred to an exit poll conducted by the Tampa Bay Islamic Center
showing Bush got 88 percent of Florida's Muslim vote, compared to 4 percent
for Al Gore and 8 percent for Ralph Nader. He cited other surveys
revealing 61 percent of Muslims would ban abortion except to save the life
of the mother, while 84 percent support school choice. From such surveys
Norquist, a member of the founding board of directors of the Islamic
Institute, deduces that conservatives should fight to admit far more Islamic
immigrants.

http://72.14.203.104/u/atr?q=cache:buETIBVUXEwJ:www.atr.org/press/editorials/tas/tas0601.html+%E2%80%9CNatural+Conservatives,%E2%80%9D&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

Does our friend Grover (email him) want to reevaluate his position in the
context of the events of September 11?


--

John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com


Sebring 12

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 5:34:47 PM3/17/07
to
Biff Limbaugh Bi...@lycos.com said:
> All smarter than you with the exception of Rosie. She's as obnoxious as you
> but not really smarter than anyone.
>
Cheney's daughter Mary thinks that Rosie is Sexy!

Just joking.

Richard Gere is no idiot. That's why losers in life from the right wing attack
him. They don't like anyone, anymore. They hate Branson, they hate Warren
Buffet, they hate Bill Gates, they hate the amazing successful Christian Paul
Hewson (Bono) too.

They despise people who do good in the world.


That's their problem, not anyone else's.

Sanity

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 5:44:45 PM3/17/07
to

"Sebring 12" <sebr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2065f4a9b...@news.datemas.de...

........."Hell hath no fury like a lesbian scorned?"


Biff Limbaugh

unread,
Mar 17, 2007, 7:48:15 PM3/17/07
to

"Sebring 12" <sebr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.206629025...@news.datemas.de...

> Biff Limbaugh Bi...@lycos.com said:
> > All smarter than you with the exception of Rosie. She's as obnoxious as
you
> > but not really smarter than anyone.
> >
> Cheney's daughter Mary thinks that Rosie is Sexy!

Mmmmm, Mary Cheney....She's hot. For a faggot.

Kevin Cunningham

unread,
Mar 18, 2007, 9:41:34 AM3/18/07
to

"Sanity" <newsgrou...@getalife.ca> wrote in message
news:2TUKh.122780$cE3.23446@edtnps89...

So your saying that the O. J. Simpson trial proves that doing vile things is
really good? How is KSM's trial anything but a sham, the kind of trial that
we denounced in the anti-communist days?

What did we prove with this trial? That torture works and we should have
used it before? That the constitution is just an old paper? That were good
and every body else is wrong?

Or is this were the world can see how sick we are.

Sanity

unread,
Mar 18, 2007, 8:39:37 PM3/18/07
to

"Kevin Cunningham" <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ikbLh.14021$Jl....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...

.......Do you think that the evidence against KSM became obvious after his
arrest? He was wanted and a dosier had already been compiled with evidence
against him prior to his capture.

Biff Limbaugh

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 2:58:59 PM1/24/08
to
but did not foretell. Jesus Christ both foretold and was foretold.

740. Jesus Christ, whom the two Testaments regard, the Old as its hope, the
New as its model, and both as their centre.

741. The two oldest books in the world are those of Moses and Job, the one a
Jew and the other a Gentile. Both of them look upon Jesus Christ as their
common centre and object: Moses in relating the promises of God to Abraham,
Jacob, etc., and his prophecies; and Job, Quis mihi det ut, etc. Scio enim
quod redemptor meus vivit, etc.146

742. The Gospel only speaks of the virginity of the Virgin up to the time of
the birth of Jesus Christ. All with reference to Jesus Christ.

743. Proofs Of Jesus Christ.

Why was the book of Ruth preserved?

Why the story of Tamar?

744. "Pray that ye enter not into temptation." It is dangerous to be
tempted; and people are tempted because they do not pray.

Et tu conversus confirma fratres tuos. But before, conversus Jesus respexit
Petrum.147

Saint Peter asks permission to strike Malchus and strikes before hearing the
answer. Jesus Christ replies afterwards.

The word, Galilee, which the mob pronounced as if by chance, in accusing
Jesus Christ before Pilate, afforded Pilate a reason for sending Jesus
Christ to Herod. And thereby the mystery was accomplished, that He should be
judged by Jews and Gentiles. Chance was apparently the cause of the
accomplishment of the mystery.


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 3:31:04 PM1/24/08
to
and it shall yield
to him. And thus he shall think to make himself master of all the empire of
Egypt, (despising the youth of Epiphanes, says Justin). "And for that he
shall make alliance with him, and give his daughter" (Cleopatra, in order
that she may betray her husband. On which Appian says that, doubting his
ability to make himself master of Egypt by force, because of the protection
of the Romans, he wished to attempt it by cunning). "He shall wish to
corrupt her, but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him. Then
he shall turn his face to other designs, and shall think to make himself
master of some isles, (that is to say, seaports), "and shall take many," (as
Appian says).

"But a prince shall oppose, his conquests," (Scipio Africanus, who stopped
the progress of Antiochus the Great, because he offended the Romans in the
person of their allies), "and shall cause the reproach offered by him to
cease. He shall then return into his kingdom and there perish, and be no
more." (He was slain by his soldiers.)

"And he who shall stand up in his estate," (Seleucus Philopator or Soter,
the son of Antiochus the Great), "shall be a tyrant, a raiser of taxes in
the glory of the kingdom," (which means the people), "but within a few days
he shall be destroyed, neither in anger nor in battle. And in his place
shall stand up a vile person, unworthy of the honour of the kingdom, but he
shall come in cleverly by flatteries. All armies shall bend before him; he
shall conquer them, and even the prince with whom he has made a covenant.
For having renewed the league with him, he shall work deceitfully, and enter
with a small people into his province, peaceably and without fear. He shall
take the fattest places, and shall do that which his fathers have not done,
and ravage on all sides. He shall forecast great devices during his time."

723. Prophecies.--The seventy weeks of Daniel are ambiguous as regards the
term of c


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 12:44:08 PM1/24/08
to
of the great things of religion; though in
some this is much greater some time after conversion, than at first.
They have that sight and taste of the divine excellency there is in the
gospel, which is more effectual to convince them than reading many
volumes of arguments without it. It seems to me, that in many instances,
when the glory of Christian truths has been set before persons, and they
have at the same time as it were seen, and tasted, and felt the divinity
of them, they have been as far from doubting their truth as they are
from doubting whether there be a sun, when their eyes are open in the
midst of a clear hemisphere, and the strong blaze of His light overcomes
all objections. And yet, many of them, if we should ask them why they
believed those things to be true, would not be able well to express or
communicate a sufficient reason to satisfy the inquirer; and perhaps
would make no other answer but that they see Him to be true. But a
person might soon be satisfied, by a particular conversation with them,
that what they mean by such an answer is, that they have intuitively
beheld, and immediately felt, most illustrious and powerful evidence of
divinity in them.

Some are thus convinced of the truth of the gospel in general, and that
the Scriptures are the word of God: others have their minds more
especially fixed on some particular great doctrine of the gospel, some
particular truths that they are meditating on, or reading of, in some
portion of Scripture. Some have such conviction in a muc


Kevin Cunningham

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 3:37:21 PM1/24/08
to
in a race, but that
is of no consequence; for, when in the stable, the heaviest and most
ill-formed does not give up his oats to another, as men would have others do
to them. Their virtue is satisfied with itself.

402. The greatness of man even in his lust, to have known how to extract
from it a wonderful code, and to have drawn from it a picture of
benevolence.

403. Greatness.--The reasons of effects indicate the greatness of man, in
having extracted so fair an order from lust.

404. The greatest baseness of man is the pursuit of glory. But is the
greatest mark of his excellence; for whatever possessions he may have on
earth, whatever health and essential comfort, he is not satisfied if he has
not the esteem of men. He values human reason so highly that, whatever
advantages he may have on earth, he is not content if he is not also ranked
highly in the judgement of man. This is the finest position in the world.
Nothing can turn him from that desire, which is the most indelible quality
of man's heart.

And those who must despise men, and put them on a level wi


Kevin Cunningham

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 12:24:28 PM1/24/08
to
one of the chief factors in belief, not that it creates belief,
but because things are true or false according to the aspect in which we
look at them. The will, which prefers one aspect to another, turns away the
mind from considering the qualities of all that it does not like to see; and
thus the mind, moving in accord with the will, stops to consider the aspect
which it likes and so judges by what it sees.

100. Self-love. The nature of self-love and of this human Ego is to love
self only and consider self only. But what will man do? He cannot prevent
this object that he loves from being full of faults and wants. He wants to
be great, and he sees himself small. He wants to be happy, and he sees
himself miserable. He wants to be perfect, and he sees himself full of
imperfections. He wants to be the object of love and esteem among men, and
he sees that his faults merit only their hatred and contempt. This
embarrassment in which he finds himself produces in him the most unrighteous
and criminal passion that can be imagined; for he conceives a mortal enmity
against that truth which reproves him and which convinces him of his faults.
He would annihilate it, but, unable to destroy it in its essence, he
destroys it as far as possible in his own knowledge and in that of others;
that is to say, he devotes all his attention to hiding his faults both from
others and from himself, and he cannot endure either that others should
point them out to him, or that they should see them.

Truly it is an evil to be full of faults; but i


Biff Limbaugh

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 12:20:40 PM1/24/08
to
which
does not exceed the natural power of the means which are employed for it.
Thus, those who heal by invocation of the devil do not work a miracle; for
that does not exceed the natural power of the devil. But...

805. The two fundamentals; one inward, the other outward; grace and
miracles; both supernatural.

806. Miracles and truth are necessary, because it is necessary to convince
the entire man, in body and soul.

807. In all times, either men have spoken of the true God, or the true God
has spoken to men.

808. Jesus Christ has verified that He was the Messiah, never in verifying
His doctrine by Scripture and the prophecies, but always by His miracles.

He proves by a miracle that He remits sins.

Rejoice not in your miracles, said Jesus Christ, but because your names are
written in heaven.

If they believe not Moses, neither will they believe one risen from the
dead.

Nicodemus recognises by His miracles that His teaching is of God. Scimus
quia venisti a Deo magister; nemo enim potest haec signa facere quae tu
facis nisi Deus fuerit cum eo.178 He does not judge of the miracles by the
teaching, but of the teaching by the m


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 3:12:33 PM1/24/08
to
that there should
be so many false miracles, if there were none true, nor so many false
revelations, if there were none true, nor so many false religions, if there
were not one true. For if there had never been all this, it is almost
impossible that men should have imagined it, and still more impossible that
so many others should have believed it. But as there have been very great
things true, and as they have been believed by great men, this impression
has been the cause that nearly everybody is rendered capable of believing
also the false. And thus, instead of concluding that there are no true
miracles, since there are so many false, it must be said, on the contrary,
that there are true miracles, since there are so many false; and that there
are false ones only because there are true; and that in the same way there
are false religions because there is one true.--Objection to this: savages
have a religion. But this is because they have heard the true spoken of, as
appears by the cross of Saint Andrew, the Deluge, circumcision, etc. This
arises from the fact that the human mind, finding itself inclined to that
side by the truth, becomes thereby susceptible of all the falsehoods of
this...

819. Jer


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 1:55:39 PM1/24/08
to
still remains in their
hearts; and therefore are surprised when they find that they begin to be
in dull and dead frames, troubled with wandering thoughts at the time of
public and private worship, and utterly unable to keep themselves from
them. When they find themselves unaffected, while yet there is the
greatest occasion to be affected; and when they feel worldly
dispositions working in them-pride, envy, stirrings of revenge, or some
ill spirit towards some person that has injured them, as well as other
workings of indwelling sin-their hearts are almost sunk with the
disappointment; and they are ready presently to think that they are mere
hypocrites.

They are ready to argue that, if God had indeed done such great things
for them, as they hoped, such ingratitude would be inconsistent with it.
They complain of the hardness and wickedness of their hearts; and say
there is so much corruption, that it seems to them impossible there
should be any goodness there. Many of them seem to be much more se


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 2:40:17 PM1/24/08
to
with these Infinites, all finites are equal, and I see no
reason for fixing our imagination on one more than on another. The only
comparison which we make of ourselves to the finite is painful to us.

If man made himself the first object of study, he would see how incapable he
is of going further. How can a part know the whole? But he may perhaps
aspire to know at least the parts to which he bears some proportion. But the
parts of the world are all so related and linked to one another that I
believe it impossible to know one without the other and without the whole.

Man, for instance, is related to all he knows. He needs a place wherein to
abide, time through which to live, motion in order to live, elements to
compose him, warmth and food to nourish him, air to breathe. He sees light;
he feels bodies; in short, he is in a dependent alliance with everything. To
know man, then, it is necessary to know how it happens that he needs air to
live, and, to know the air, we must know how it is thus related to the life
of man, etc. Flame cannot exist without air; therefore, to understand the
one, we must understand the other.

Since everything, then, is cause and effect, dependent and supporting,
mediate and immediate, and all is held together by a natural though
imperceptible chain which binds together things most distant and most
different, I hold it equally impossible to know the parts without knowing
the whole and to know the whole without knowing the parts in detail.

The eternity of things in itself or in God must also astonish our brief
duration. The fixed and constant immobility of nature, in comparison with

Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 2:07:54 PM1/24/08
to
confessions and prayers; which
they are ready to make very much of, as though they were some atonement,
and had power to move correspondent affections in God too. Hence they
are for a while big with expectation of what God will do for them; and
conceive they grow better apace, and shall soon be thoroughly converted.
But these affections are but short-lived; they quickly find that they
fail, and then they think themselves to be grown worse again. They do
not find such a prospect of being soon converted, as they thought:
instead of being nearer, they seem to be further off; their hearts they
think are grown harder, and by this means their fears of perishing
greatly increase. But though they are disappointed, they renew their
attempts again and again; and still as their attempts are multiplied, so
are their disappointments. All fails, they see no token of having
inclined God's heart to them, they do not see that He hears their
prayers at all, as they expected He would; and sometimes there have been
great temptations arising hence to leave off seeking, and to yield up
the case. But as they are still more terrified with fears of perishing,
and t


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 4:21:55 PM1/24/08
to
heard it speaking aloud; which was
unusual, and never had been observed before. And her voice seemed to be
as of one exceedingly importunate and engaged; but her mother could
distinctly hear only these words, spoken in a childish manner, but with
extraordinary earnestness, and out of distress of soul, pray, blessed
Lord, give me salvation! I pray, beg, pardon all my sins! When the child
had done prayer, she came out of the closet, sat down by her mother, and
cried out aloud. Her mother very earnestly asked her several times what
the matter was, before she would make any answer; but she continued
crying, and writhing her body to and fro, like one in anguish of spirit.
Her mother then asked her, whether she was afraid that God would not
give her salvation. She then answered, Yes, 1 am afraid I shall go to
hell! Her mother then endeavored to quiet her, and told her she would
not have her cry, she must be a good girl, and pray every day, and she
hoped God would give her salvation. But this did not quiet her at all;
she continued thus earnestly crying, and taking on for some time, till
at length she suddenly ceased crying, and began


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 4:39:47 PM1/24/08
to
and the
audience warm them, and draw from their minds more than they think of
without that warmth.

48. When we find words repeated in a discourse and, in trying to correct
them, discover that they are so appropriate that we would spoil the
discourse, we must leave them alone. This is the test; and our attempt is
the work of envy, which is blind, and does not see that repetition is not in
this place a fault; for there is no general rule.

49. To mask nature and disguise her. No more king, pope, bishop--but august
monarch, etc.; not Paris--the capital of the kingdom. There are places in
which we ought to call Paris, "Paris," others in which we ought to call it
the capital of the kingdom.

50. The same meaning changes with the words which express it. Meanings
receive their dignity from words instead of giving it to them. Examples
should be sought....

51. Sceptic, for obstinate.

52. No one calls another a Cartesian but he who is one himself, a pedant but
a pedant, a provincial but a provincial; and I would wager it was the
printer who put it on the title of Letters to a Provincial.

53. A carriage upset or overturned, according to the meaning. To spread
abroad or upset, according to the meaning. (The argument by force of M. le
Maitre over the friar.)

54. Miscellaneous.--A form of speech, "I should have liked to apply myself
to that."

55. The aperitive virtue of a key, the attractive virtue of a hook.

56. To guess: "The part that I take in your trouble." The Cardinal did not
want to be guessed.

"My mind is disquieted." I am disquieted is better.

57. I always feel uncomfortable under such compliments as these: "I have
given you a great deal of trouble," "I am afraid I am boring you," "I fear
this is too long." We either carry our audience with us, or irritate them.

58. Y


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 2:39:21 PM1/24/08
to
remarkable instance. Some time in August, the
last year, she went with some bigger children to get some plums in a
neighbor's lot, knowing nothing of any harm in what she did; but when
she brought some of the plums into the house, her mother mildly reproved
her, and told her that she must not get plums without leave, because it
was sin: God had commanded her not to steal. The child seemed greatly
surprised, and burst out in tears, and cried out, I won't have these
plums! and turning to her sister Eunice, very earnestly said to her, Why
did you ask me to go to that plum tree? I should not have gone, if you
had not asked me. The other children did not seem to be much affected or
concerned; but there was no pacifying Phebe. Her mother told her, she
might go and ask leave, and then it would not be sin for her to eat
them; and sent one of the children to that end; and, when she returned,
her mother told her that the owner had given leave, now she might eat
them, and it would not be stealing. This stilled her a l


Kevin Cunningham

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 5:14:11 PM1/24/08
to
to them that are in darkness show yourselves, and
possess these abundant and fertile lands. They shall not hunger nor thirst,
neither shall the heat nor sun smite them; for he that hath mercy upon them
shall lead them, even by the springs of waters shall he guide them, and make
the mountains a way before them. Behold, the peoples shall come from all
parts, from the east and from the west, from the north and from the south.
Let the heavens give glory to God; let the earth be joyful; for it hath
pleased the Lord to comfort His people, and He will have mercy upon the poor
who hope in Him.

"Yet Zion dared to say: The Lord hath forsaken me, and hath forgotten me.
Can a woman forget her child, that she should not have compassion on the son
of her womb? but if she forget, yet will not I forget thee, O Sion. I will
bear thee always between my hands, and thy walls are continually before me.
They that shall build thee are come, and thy destroyers shall go forth of
thee. Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold; all these gather
themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the Lord, thou shalt
surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament. Thy waste and thy
desolate places, and the land of thy destruction shall even now be too
narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and the children thou shalt have after
thy barrenness shall say again in thy ears: The place is too strait for me:
give place to me that I may dwell. Then shalt thou say in thy heart: Who
hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a
captive, and removing to and fro? and who bro


Biff Limbaugh

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 4:31:36 PM1/24/08
to
to make you see clearly, by convincing proofs, those divine signs in me,
which may convince you of what I am, and may gain authority for me by
wonders and proofs which you cannot reject; so that you may then believe
without... the things which I teach you, since you will find no other ground
for rejecting them, except that you cannot know of yourselves if they are
true or not.

"God has willed to redeem men and to open salvation to those who seek it.
But men render themselves so unworthy of it that it is right that God should
refuse to some, because of their obduracy, what He grants others from a
compassion which is not due to them. If He had willed to overcome the
obstinacy of the most hardened, He could have done so by revealing Himself
so manifestly to them that they could not have doubted of the truth of His
essence; as it will appear at the last day, with such thunders and such a
convulsion of nature that the dead will rise again, and the blindest will
see Him.

"It is not in this manner that He has willed to appear in His advent of
mercy, because, as so many make themselves unworthy of His mercy, He has
willed to leave them in the loss of the good which they do not want. It was
not, then, right that He should appear in a manner manifestly divine, and
completely capable of convincing all men; but it was also not right that He
should come in so hidden a manner that He could not be known by those who
should sincerely seek Him. He has willed to make himself quite recognisable
by those; and thus, willing to appear openly


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 4:50:24 PM1/24/08
to
his place
shall stand up a vile person, unworthy of the honour of the kingdom, but he
shall come in cleverly by flatteries. All armies shall bend before him; he
shall conquer them, and even the prince with whom he has made a covenant.
For having renewed the league with him, he shall work deceitfully, and enter
with a small people into his province, peaceably and without fear. He shall
take the fattest places, and shall do that which his fathers have not done,
and ravage on all sides. He shall forecast great devices during his time."

723. Prophecies.--The seventy weeks of Daniel are ambiguous as regards the

term of commencement, because of the terms of the prophecy; and as regards
the term of conclusion, because of the differences among chronologists. But
all this difference extends only to two hundred years.

724. Predictions.--That in the fourth monarchy, before the destruction of
the second temple, before the dominion of the Jews was taken away, in the
seventieth week of Daniel, during the continuance of the second temple, the
heathen should be instructed, and brought to the knowledge of the God
worshipped by the Jews; that those who loved Him should be delivered from
their enemies, and filled with His fear and love.

And it happened that in the fourth monarchy, before the destruction of the
second temple, etc., the heathen in great number worshipped God, and led an
angelic life. Maidens dedicated their virginity and their lif


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 3:03:57 PM1/24/08
to
thing. It is, then, a manifest injustice which is innate in us, of
which we cannot get rid, and of which we must get rid.

Yet no religion has indicated that this was a sin; or that we were born in
it; or that we were obliged to resist it; or has thought of giving us
remedies for it.

493. The true religion teaches our duties; our weaknesses, pride, and lust;
and the remedies, humility and mortification.

494. The true religion must teach greatness and misery; must lead to the
esteem and contempt of self, to love and to hate.

495. If it is an extraordinary blindness to live without investigating what
we are, it is a terrible one to live an evil life, while believing in God.

496. Experience makes us see an enormous difference between piety and
goodness.

497. Against those who, trusting to the mercy of God, live heedlessly,
without doing good works.--As the two sources of our sins are pride and
sloth, God has revealed to us two of His attributes to cure them, mercy and
justice. The property of justice is to humble pride, however holy may be our
works, et non intres injudicium, etc.; and the property of mercy is to
combat sloth by exhorting to good works, according to that passage: "The
goodness of God leadeth to repentance, and that other of the Ninevites: "Let
us do penance to see if peradventure He will pity us." And thus mercy is so
far from authorising slackness that it is on the contrary the quality which
formally attacks it; so that instead of saying, "If there were no mercy in
God we should have to make every kind of effort after virtue," we must say,
on the con


Biff Limbaugh

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 3:25:39 PM1/24/08
to
It is a wonderful,
incomparable, and altogether divine fact that this religion, which has
always endured, has always been attacked. It has been a thousand times on
the eve of universal destruction, and every time it has been in that state,
God has restored it by extraordinary acts of His power. This is astonishing,
as also that it has preserved itself without yielding to the will of
tyrants. For it is not strange that a State endures, when its laws are
sometimes made to give way to necessity, but that... (See the passage
indicated in Montaigne.)[111]

614. States would perish if they did not often make their laws give way to
necessity. But religion has never suffered this, or practised it. Indeed,
there must be these compromises or miracles. It is not strange to be saved
by yieldings, and this is not strictly self-preservation; besides, in the
end they perish entirely. None has endured a thousand years. But the fact
that this religion has always maintained itself, inflexible as it is, proves
its divinity.

615. Whatever may be


Kevin Cunningham

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 2:53:07 PM1/24/08
to
563. It will be one of the confusions of the damned to see that they are
condemned by their own reason, by which they claimed to condemn the
Christian religion.

564. The prophecies, the very miracles and proofs of our religion, are not
of such a nature that they can be said to be absolutely convincing. But they
are also of such a kind that it cannot be said that it is unreasonable to
believe them. Thus there is both evidence and obscurity to enlighten some
and confuse others. But the evidence is such that it surpasses, or at least
equals, the evidence to the contrary; so that it is not reason which can
determine men not to follow it, and thus it can only be lust or malice of
heart. And by this means there is sufficient evidence to condemn, and
insufficient to convince; so that it appears in those who follow it that it
is grace, and not reason, which makes them follow it; and in those who shun
it, that it is lust, not reason, which makes them shun it.

Vere discipuli, vere Israelita, vere liberi, vere cibus.100

565. Recognise, then, the truth of religion in the very obscurity of
religion, in the little light we have of it, and in the indifference which
we have to knowing it.

566. We understand nothing of the works of God, if we do not take as a
principle that He has willed to blind some and enlighten others.

567. The two contrary reasons. We must begin with that; without that we
understand nothing, and all is heretical; and we must even add at the end of
each truth that the opposite truth is to be remembered.

568. Objection. The Scripture is plainly full of matters not dictated by the
Holy Spirit. Answer. Then they do not harm faith. Objection. But t


Sanity

unread,
Jan 24, 2008, 4:27:16 PM1/24/08
to
excellency of these things fades, on a withdrawment of the Spirit of
God, they have not the medium of the conviction of their truth at
command. In a dull frame, they cannot recall the idea and inward sense
they had, perfectly to mind; things appear very dim to what they did
before. And though there still remains an habitual strong persuasion;
yet not so as to exclude temptations to unbelief, and all possibility of
doubting. But then, at particular times, by God's help, the same sense
of things revives again, like fire that lay hid in ashes. I suppose the
grounds of such a conviction of the truth of divine things to be just
and rational; but yet, in some, God makes use of their own reason much
more sensibly than in others. Oftentimes persons have (so far as could
be judged) received the first saving conviction from reasoning which
they have heard from the pulpit; and often in the course of reasoning
they are led into in their own meditations.

The arguments are the same that they have heard hundreds of times; but
the force of the arguments, and their conviction by them, is altogether
new; they come with a new and before unexperienced power. Before, they
heard it was so, and they allowed it to be so; but now they see it to be
so indeed. Things now look exceeding plain to them, and they wonder they
did not see them before.

They are so greatly taken with their new discovery, and things appear so
plain and so rational to them, that they are often at first ready to
think they can convince others; and are apt to engage in talk with every
one they meet with, almost to this end; and when they are disappointed,
are ready to wonder that their reasonings seem to make no more
impression. Many fall under such a mistake as to be ready to doubt of
their good estate, because there was so much use made of their own
reason in the convictions they have received; they are afraid that they
have no illumination above the natural force of their own faculties: and
many make that an


0 new messages