In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options
Captain Compassion
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Friday, November 29, 2002
The United States is quietly examining the feasibility of
assassinating Hizbullah leaders linked to the deaths of U.S. soldiers
and civilians in the 1980s.
The assassination option was bolstered following the success of a U.S.
mission that tracked and killed six Al Qaida operatives in Yemen last
month.
So far, Lebanon and Syria have refused to cooperate in efforts to
capture Hizbullah members responsible for the killing of hundreds of
Americans in the early 1980s, Middle East Newsline reported. The
Iranian-backed group blew up the U.S. Marine Corps barracks and the
embassy in Beirut in 1982 and 1983 during the U.S. peacekeeping
mission in Lebanon.
In Yemen, the United States used a Predator unmanned air vehicle to
follow a car with the Al Qaida members. The Predator then launched a
Hellfire anti-tank missile to destroy the car.
U.S. officials said the issue is being discussed by the intelligence
and law enforcement communities after an assessement that Hizbullah
has been cooperating with Al Qaida to launch attacks on civilian
installations in Africa and the Middle East.
The prospect of assassinating Hizbullah leaders was raised publicly
during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing last week. Such a move was
supported by committee chairman Sen. Arlen Specter, who was
questioning U.S. Attorney Robert Conrad, who helped break up a
Hizbullah ring in North Carolina last year.
"The United States is moving against Al Qaida key people," Specter
told Conrad. "You saw what happened in Yemen not too long ago with
military action taken against Al Qaida key figures. Would you
recommend that for Hizbullah, key figures outside the United States?"
"Yes, sir," Conrad replied. "And I hope that extradition efforts and
other rendering efforts might someday be fruitful here.
At that point, Specter said the prospect of the United States
obtaining the extradition of Hizbullah suspects from Lebanon appears
dim. Then he added, "But it's possible to do other things in Lebanon."
Specter did not elaborate.
Officials said any such move would take place in the next stage of the
war against terrorism. They said any assassination must be preceded by
an intensive monitoring effort of Hizbullah leaders and operatives in
Lebanon.
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Julian D.
ooh. I like that.
JD
"100% of the successful terrorist attacks on
commercial airlines for 20 years have been committed
by Arabs. When there is a 100% chance, it ceases to
be a profile. It's called a 'description of the
suspect.'" - Ann Coulter
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002
'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
-Me
Nes
and that's all it needs to know.
Certainly, if 'you' want to kill, kill, kill, that's what 'your' life and
entire existence will become dominated by. But 'you' wanted this, in this
instance it's only just that 'you' should get what you asked for, especially
since 'you' do not show the least bit of awareness of nor care for the
consequences of your deeds!
When will the US become a civilized member of the international community, a
nation which is an equal among equals? Never, since the US will continue
along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
indefinite future. So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just attempt
to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid of
it, again!
Nes
Gajr
Hey Nes...!
The US kills enemies that murder it's citizens. Apparently you Beliners have
still have not learned that after 55 years. If you country had the balls and
the citizens the courage, we, (the US) would not have had to save you in that
little war in the 1940's. Remember we also gave you the where-withal to rebuild
you country and sheilded you from Communism for all those years. That allowed
you to become the whining little bunch of eletist pissants you are now.
Go whine to someone that gives a shit.
Gajr
Julian D.
<nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>"Kill - Kill - Kill", that's all 'America' does, it's all that it's good at,
>and that's all it needs to know.
No..we feed, entertain, fund, and unfortunately have to police the
world. No one seems to be able to get along without us.
>Certainly, if 'you' want to kill, kill, kill, that's what 'your' life and
>entire existence will become dominated by. But 'you' wanted this, in this
>instance it's only just that 'you' should get what you asked for, especially
>since 'you' do not show the least bit of awareness of nor care for the
>consequences of your deeds!
We only kill kill kill during wars or when someone needs a killing
like anti-American muslims.
>When will the US become a civilized member of the international community, a
>nation which is an equal among equals?
We are no countries equal. We don't want to lessen ourselves just to
'be equal'. That's not how being a superpower works.
>Never, since the US will continue
>along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
>indefinite future.
We did not choose the path of war. Anti-American muslims forced our
hand.
>So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just attempt
>to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
>stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid of
>it, again!
Most of us are quite comfortable, untouched by violence, physically
unharmed by terrorism. We don't expect for terrorism across the world
to suddenly disappear anytime soon. Bush has said this will be a long
war.
>Nes
BlueOctopus
"Gajr" <ga...@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Nes from Berlin posted.
| >"Kill - Kill - Kill", that's all 'America' does, it's all that it's good
at,
| >and that's all it needs to know.
| >
| >Certainly, if 'you' want to kill, kill, kill, that's what 'your' life and
| >entire existence will become dominated by. But 'you' wanted this, in this
| >instance it's only just that 'you' should get what you asked for,
especially
| >since 'you' do not show the least bit of awareness of nor care for the
| >consequences of your deeds!
| >
| >When will the US become a civilized member of the international
community, a
| >nation which is an equal among equals? Never, since the US will continue
| >along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
| >indefinite future. So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just
attempt
| >to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
| >stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid
of
| >it, again!
| >
| >Nes
| >
|
| Hey Nes...!
| The US kills enemies that murder it's citizens.
Unless they are right wing dictatorships in South America.
BlueOctopus
"Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:21:05 +0100, "Nes"
| <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
|
| >"Kill - Kill - Kill", that's all 'America' does, it's all that it's good
at,
| >and that's all it needs to know.
|
| No..we feed, entertain, fund, and unfortunately have to police the
| world. No one seems to be able to get along without us.
|
| >Certainly, if 'you' want to kill, kill, kill, that's what 'your' life and
| >entire existence will become dominated by. But 'you' wanted this, in this
| >instance it's only just that 'you' should get what you asked for,
especially
| >since 'you' do not show the least bit of awareness of nor care for the
| >consequences of your deeds!
|
| We only kill kill kill during wars or when someone needs a killing
| like anti-American muslims.
What about anti-American Israelis, like Jonathan Pollard?
Of course he was an anti-American American at the time, but he has been
given Israeli citizenship, he is after all an Israeli hero.
BlueOctopus
"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
If this turns into a tit-for-tat game, Bush will chicken out.
He won't put his life, or the lives of his family on the line.
El_Bastardo
BlueOctopus wrote:
> What about anti-American Israelis, like Jonathan Pollard?
> Of course he was an anti-American American at the time, but he has been
> given Israeli citizenship, he is after all an Israeli hero.
I knw the anti semitic posters would show up sooner or later.
Steven Litvintchouk
>
> When will the US become a civilized member of the international community, a
> nation which is an equal among equals? Never, since the US will continue
> along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
> indefinite future. So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just attempt
> to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
> stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid of
> it, again!
That sounds like an ultimatum.
We don't like ultimatums in America.
Everyone else who handed America an ultimatum, ended up regretting it
dearly.
So will you.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlink.net
Captain Compassion
<nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Peaceful co-existance with evil doesn't work. Just ask the English.
Steven Litvintchouk
BlueOctopus wrote:
>
> "Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
> | In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
>
> The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
Saddam already tried to assassinate Bush Senior. There was an
assassination plot against Pope John Paul II in the 1980's.
The world was savage, is savage, and will be savage, no matter what the
U.S. does, because it's in their nature to be a pack of savages. That's
the reason so many people immigrated to America to get away from all
that.
Stop demanding that we stop "provoking" the rest of the world. The rest
of the world has provoked us, and I've had enough of it. After 9-11,
it's time we made the rest of the world pay for what they did to us.
Captain Compassion
<nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
>
>"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
>| In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
>
>The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
>
They all ready have. You do remember 9/11? They tried to assinate our
leaders in finance (WTC), the military (Pentagon), ant if the third
attack had been sucessful the political (white House or Congress).
The only difference is that a Predator is a more percise wepon than a
767.
>If this turns into a tit-for-tat game, Bush will chicken out.
>He won't put his life, or the lives of his family on the line.
>
He all ready has.
Julian D.
What about him?
Nes
> <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >"Kill - Kill - Kill", that's all 'America' does, it's all that it's good
at,
> >and that's all it needs to know.
>
> No..we feed, entertain, fund, and unfortunately have to police the
> world. No one seems to be able to get along without us.
None of that is true. The US is a loathsome slothful bloodsucker on the body
of the World, stealing, robbing, expropiating natural and human ressources
of every possible kind, in every possible (robber) capitalist way. The US
could not exist without the rest of the World for as much as a single day.
You "Americans" can't feed yourselves, can't supply yourselves with the
basic necessities of life, can't finance your daily operation of the casino
economy without regular massive influxes of loans and investment, no, you're
in the position of having to force other peoples and nations into the roles
of slavery and economic subservience to maintain your horrendously overfed
standards of useless and destructive material over-consumption.
The population of the US amount to (probably less than) 4% of the entirity
of the human race. What possible explanation can there be for your
"American" invention of such an extremely stupid idea that "the World needs
'America'"? You, United Statesians, need the World, that's a plain and
simple fact, yet you pretend not to and your silly and mentally deranged
media captive population seem to have accepted that 'as fact' - an untenable
situation whose outcome is certain, for reality has a way of asserting
itself, eventually.
> >Certainly, if 'you' want to kill, kill, kill, that's what 'your' life and
> >entire existence will become dominated by. But 'you' wanted this, in this
> >instance it's only just that 'you' should get what you asked for,
especially
> >since 'you' do not show the least bit of awareness of nor care for the
> >consequences of your deeds!
>
> We only kill kill kill during wars or when someone needs a killing
> like anti-American muslims.
Where have you been hiding? In a cave with no line of communication to the
contemporary World? The present phoney War on Terror is just another US
political vehicle to engage in war, terror, and conquest around the World,
invented by the current crop of imperialists from the extreme Christian
right. Nothing new, that sort of thing has been going on since before the
so-called "American" War of Revolution. The resumption and continuation of
policies of imperialism in the guise of pursuing terrorists - but really,
it's just Manifest Destiny in an opportunist 21st century garb.
You "Americans" deserve whatever the Third World does to you in defence of
itself and its populations against you and your depredations. That Islamist
political activists would turn out to become your enemies of late is
certainly a delightful historical twist. They used to be your staunchest
allies, your willing tools, as long as they were useful (from the US
perspective) as cannon fodder in the Cold War. But you f*cked them over - so
they didn't take it lying down. Good for them!
> >When will the US become a civilized member of the international
community, a
> >nation which is an equal among equals?
>
> We are no countries equal. We don't want to lessen ourselves just to
> 'be equal'. That's not how being a superpower works.
With that remark you've just revealed your own abject level of understanding
and of humanity. You have none of either, so it's quite useless to explain
to you why your point of view is barbarian, through and through. For that's
what it is. Actually, you have just given the exact definition of a
"barbarian". He is a person who is unable to understand that the mores of
his own social conditioning are just of insular importance to him and to his
own little place in the World, nothing else. And that other cultures,
peoples also have their merit and their common history. But you are not part
of that human communality. You're somehow "better", right?
> >Never, since the US will continue
> >along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
> >indefinite future.
>
> We did not choose the path of war. Anti-American muslims forced our
> hand.
Oh yes you, the media captive US public, did choose war over peace, with
glee, and with the usual unseemly insane public displays of war fever and
soppy, insular, deranged "patriotism", and you did it when there were no
internal or external threats of national importance to your nation or system
of government. That makes the US a rogue nation and the aggressor, to boot!
> >So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just attempt
> >to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
> >stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid
of
> >it, again!
>
> Most of us are quite comfortable, untouched by violence, physically
> unharmed by terrorism. We don't expect for terrorism across the world
> to suddenly disappear anytime soon. Bush has said this will be a long
> war.
No, you're scared sh*tless by (what is probably less than) a thousand
terrorists. Every national poll of importance since 9/11 shows that to be
true. Of course, realistically, the threat is minimal to the ordinary
citizen. Yet, somehow, the irrationality of that fear now sits in the
driver's seat of national politics, allowing the political establishment and
the incumbent government to proceed with no care and little caution as it
engages in ever more violent despoliation of the Earth. Have a nice day!
Nes
Kevin...@corecom.net
<nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>"Kill - Kill - Kill", that's all 'America' does, it's all that it's good at,
>and that's all it needs to know.
No, it is not killing. It is executing convicted criminals.
If you don't like it, don't attack us. Pretty simple even for your
simple mind.
Kevin...@corecom.net
<nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
>
>"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
>| In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
>
>The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
Yo moron. Others have been assassinating us for years. Its about
time we started hitting them first.
topcat
Like the speech, but in reality we don't need the rest of the world. That
was exemplified by just how fast the UN got in line when Bush told them to.
If the US pulls out of the UN (like I hope we one day do) the UN falls apart
and the barbarians can have free run of the world. Let's see how long you
last should that happen.
>
> Where have you been hiding? In a cave with no line of communication to the
> contemporary World? The present phoney War on Terror is just another US
> political vehicle to engage in war, terror, and conquest around the World,
> invented by the current crop of imperialists from the extreme Christian
> right. Nothing new, that sort of thing has been going on since before the
> so-called "American" War of Revolution. The resumption and continuation of
> policies of imperialism in the guise of pursuing terrorists - but really,
> it's just Manifest Destiny in an opportunist 21st century garb.
>
> You "Americans" deserve whatever the Third World does to you in defence of
> itself and its populations against you and your depredations. That
Islamist
> political activists would turn out to become your enemies of late is
> certainly a delightful historical twist. They used to be your staunchest
> allies, your willing tools, as long as they were useful (from the US
> perspective) as cannon fodder in the Cold War. But you f*cked them over -
so
> they didn't take it lying down. Good for them!
This is the thanks we get for freeing Europe, battling communism, facism and
totalitarianism throughout the world. This is the thanks we get for all the
humanitarian aide we send abroad. This is the thanks we get for all the
foreign aide we supply other countries with year after year. This is the
thanks we get for always being the first country to donate money, food or
anything else needed when disaster strikes.
>>
> With that remark you've just revealed your own abject level of
understanding
> and of humanity. You have none of either, so it's quite useless to explain
> to you why your point of view is barbarian, through and through. For
that's
> what it is. Actually, you have just given the exact definition of a
> "barbarian". He is a person who is unable to understand that the mores of
> his own social conditioning are just of insular importance to him and to
his
> own little place in the World, nothing else. And that other cultures,
> peoples also have their merit and their common history. But you are not
part
> of that human communality. You're somehow "better", right?
Right. We have built the best society on earth. That's what makes us better.
The fact we are always willing to come and save ingrates like you is what
makes us better. The fact we have built the richest, most powerful nation in
the world, but still are willing to help the weak throughout the world
(against my better judgement) is what makes us better. You know nothing
about America and it's people. About neighbor helping neighbor or the
institutions and traditions that make us great.
>
> Oh yes you, the media captive US public, did choose war over peace, with
> glee, and with the usual unseemly insane public displays of war fever and
> soppy, insular, deranged "patriotism", and you did it when there were no
> internal or external threats of national importance to your nation or
system
> of government. That makes the US a rogue nation and the aggressor, to
boot!
Listening to you, one would think we rammed the planes into the buildings
ourselves.
>
> No, you're scared sh*tless by (what is probably less than) a thousand
> terrorists. Every national poll of importance since 9/11 shows that to be
> true. Of course, realistically, the threat is minimal to the ordinary
> citizen. Yet, somehow, the irrationality of that fear now sits in the
> driver's seat of national politics, allowing the political establishment
and
> the incumbent government to proceed with no care and little caution as it
> engages in ever more violent despoliation of the Earth. Have a nice day!
>
Yes, we're scared. We're scared of people like you. You're the ones who
really incite the violence by appeasing it. Turn the other cheek and all
that. Guess what? In the real world that doesn't work, never has, never
will.
Yes, we're scared. We're scared we might wake up one day and have another
3000 people dead in the street. The last election showed a majority of us
want us to fight, not appease. You had better get used to an America that's
finally using it's strength.
TC - sorry for cutting in JD, but this guy was getting on my nerves
зKе WхгKАо
Compassion) wrote:
>The assassination option was bolstered following the success of a U.S.
>mission that tracked and killed six Al Qaida operatives in Yemen last
>month.
can anyone prove that this is what really happened?
i heard there was ostensibly an american in that car. anyone with any
added info on that?
s.w.
King Pineapple
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>
> When will the US become a civilized member of the international community
LOL. As evidenced by such places as Sudan, North Korea and Iraq?
Now, Les, can I have some of what you're inhaling?
--
"How naive we were"-liberal historian Richard Goodwin, on voting for Clinton
twice.
Nes
"topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
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It would be a day of rejoicement at the UN if the US were to withdraw. Then
some proper work might be done to alliviate the many problems of the World.
Now, the UN is just a foreign policy tool of the US. That is a very stingy,
nasty, mean spirited, domineering, sneering, discriminatory, sabotaging US,
whose governments are never able understand foreign relations and
international cooperation except in the most egotistical terms of "what's in
it for me?'
You absurd "Americans" did not liberate Europe during WWII. But that is an
entirely new discussion. Why should anybody in Europe (or elsewere) feel
gratitude towards the US? When do direct national relations with the US ever
lead to anything but exploitation by the US? And don't say, "We rebuild
Germany or Japan post WWII." That is a lie. You financed some of it by
loans, which have long since been repaid. When will you "Americans", the
gross over-consumers of the material wealth of the World, repay your debts?
What, never? Even at this moment of a neo-conservative government, obsessed
with cutting (some aspects of) federal spending, the US will be unable to
service its official debts in the next hundred years, plus!
> > With that remark you've just revealed your own abject level of
> understanding
> > and of humanity. You have none of either, so it's quite useless to
explain
> > to you why your point of view is barbarian, through and through. For
> that's
> > what it is. Actually, you have just given the exact definition of a
> > "barbarian". He is a person who is unable to understand that the mores
of
> > his own social conditioning are just of insular importance to him and to
> his
> > own little place in the World, nothing else. And that other cultures,
> > peoples also have their merit and their common history. But you are not
> part
> > of that human communality. You're somehow "better", right?
>
> Right. We have built the best society on earth. That's what makes us
better.
It does not - and you haven't. The mere fact that you propagate such an
infantile and insular view is demonstration enough that you (as an
individual) are of a very low (if any at all) civilized order. What is the
US "better" at? Hollywood entertainment? Oh, yeah, let's think about that
for a moment - and quickly forget about it, again. "Free speach"? Well,
that's easily dealt with. There are scores of countries around the World
which have more liberal laws on that subject that the US does, with its
absurd puritan value system. But an insular person like you wouldn't know
that, naturally. Then there's holy "Democracy". But wait, what's happened to
it lately? The current US Government has not been elected, and the Executive
Branch has usurped the most important powers of the Legislative and the
Judicial Branches. Now the US is a provisional dictatorship - but of course,
such small blemishes are unimportant when somebody like you want to regard
to US as the "best and brightest", right?
Do I need to go on? Your views are simply ridiculous. The US is a loathsome
offensive lump on humanity, a cancerous growth threatening the health of the
World entire, and it needs be cut out speedily with drastic surgery, right
now!
> The fact we are always willing to come and save ingrates like you is what
> makes us better.
When have 'you', the US, saved anybody? -from what? Historical references
wanted!
> The fact we have built the richest,
You have the "richest" nation with the largest amount of social strife and
civil unrest. You're just not one nation. You're a class society with
hideously rich people owning everything, a minority, obviously, and the
rest, the majority, who are just wages slaves or dependants, captives in
roles of economic subservience for life.
> most powerful nation in
> the world,
You're a powerful nation, but you have no concept of how to use that power
for the good of yourself or for the World. That makes 'you' an active threat
and a problem for everybody else, who by now - in the period since WWII -
have had their bellyful of having "American" "ideals" rammed down their
throats. Do that 'at home' if you have to, but don't let others suffer under
such nasty and oppressive habits.
> but still are willing to help the weak throughout the world
Never. When has the US helped anybody? Historical references wanted!
> (against my better judgement) is what makes us better.
"Us", "we" - who are 'you' talking about?
> You know nothing
> about America and it's people. About neighbor helping neighbor or the
> institutions and traditions that make us great.
An example would be nice. Like the Wounded Knee massacre. It really helped
the Indians, the Siox, right? Or Vietnam. That helped the Vietnamese? Or the
Cubans? Did you want to "help" them, too? Or the Mexicans, the Phillipines,
the Koreans and on and on and on and on. Three hundred wars (at least) since
WWII!
> > Oh yes you, the media captive US public, did choose war over peace, with
> > glee, and with the usual unseemly insane public displays of war fever
and
> > soppy, insular, deranged "patriotism", and you did it when there were no
> > internal or external threats of national importance to your nation or
> system
> > of government. That makes the US a rogue nation and the aggressor, to
> boot!
>
> Listening to you, one would think we rammed the planes into the buildings
> ourselves.
If it hadn't happened when it did, it would probably have happened at
another, later time. But weren't 'you' just shocked. Tsk! The US
'understands' the real World and how the US is perceived abroad?
Realistically?
> > No, you're scared sh*tless by (what is probably less than) a thousand
> > terrorists. Every national poll of importance since 9/11 shows that to
be
> > true. Of course, realistically, the threat is minimal to the ordinary
> > citizen. Yet, somehow, the irrationality of that fear now sits in the
> > driver's seat of national politics, allowing the political establishment
> and
> > the incumbent government to proceed with no care and little caution as
it
> > engages in ever more violent despoliation of the Earth. Have a nice day!
> >
>
> Yes, we're scared. We're scared of people like you.
That's exactly what could be expected. To the fearful the voice of reason
sounds like betrayal. The irrational mind blocks out the rational. Way to
go!
>You're the ones who
> really incite the violence by appeasing it.
I shall not defend my views. But there isn't one statement of support for
terrorism in my writing. It's just that 'you' ordinary people from Middle
"America" don't know what terror is, at this precise moment in time, and you
certainly don't understand or know of your national complicitness in it, nor
of your own history leading you into this mess.
> Turn the other cheek and all
> that. Guess what? In the real world that doesn't work, never has, never
> will.
I don't care what you do as long as you just do it at home. If you, United
Statesians, want to achieve anything in the Global arena of international
politics, you'd do well for yourself to ease off the bully acting you've
been putting on lately. That World doesn't like it, nor you, for that
matter, so it'll bring you nothing to try to enforce your will on the World
by such mafia methods. Instead, settle down to peaceful international
cooperation, help (if you really can do that, but probably not - then at
least abstain from unwarrented interference!) build a better World, and if
you want to catch criminals, use the police, don't go invading countries -
neither for oil nor for any other nefarious purpose.
> Yes, we're scared. We're scared we might wake up one day and have another
> 3000 people dead in the street.
Why stop there? If I were in the enviable position of having to be
encouraged of being afraid of terrorism by daily media input, I'd not settle
for anything less than the Solar system. "Every day now, terrorists wil blow
up the Solar System." Now there's a phobia that wants to get somewhere! Even
better than the "End of Days"! Wait, calling Fox News...and TIPS.
> The last election showed a majority of us
> want us to fight, not appease. You had better get used to an America
that's
> finally using it's strength.
The US has never pulled it's punches. It's always been as much killing with
as much military hardware as possible. Millions of recent dead around the
World can testify to that - or at least their surviving relatives can.
Murder Inc. - US Military Incorporated Ltd. The War on Terrorism is just a
"new" twist in a long and infamous history of murder, war, death, without
which the US and its body politic seem to be unable to get along.
> TC - sorry for cutting in JD, but this guy was getting on my nerves
Hope so! You're - meaning 'you' conservative and regimented people from
"Middle America" with your desperate efforts at ignoring the dangers of your
own nation's political adventurism - certainly are in need of a thorough
shake. Wake up, there's a whole World out there, the US is just one little
place in it.
Those who sow the wind shall reap the storm.
Old Indo-European proverb.
Nes
sarah
"BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote in message
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>
> "Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
> | In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
>
> The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
>
> If this turns into a tit-for-tat game, Bush will chicken out.
> He won't put his life, or the lives of his family on the line.
Are you absolutely sure of that? S.
Nes
"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Loopy Danish Pastry "Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > When will the US become a civilized member of the international
community
>
> LOL. As evidenced by such places as Sudan, North Korea and Iraq?
>
> Now, Les, can I have some of what you're inhaling?
Who the f*ck is Les?
Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for its
Government. Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
By the way, by what arrogance do United Statesians presume to judge other
peoples? Laid off 10.000 workers, bought the Federal Government, stolen
anybody's social security, manipulated the stock marked, killed anyone
today, done drugs, engaged in other crimes? Come now, be truthful!
Nes
Nes
> >"Kill - Kill - Kill", that's all 'America' does, it's all that it's good
at,
> >and that's all it needs to know.
> >
> >Certainly, if 'you' want to kill, kill, kill, that's what 'your' life and
> >entire existence will become dominated by. But 'you' wanted this, in this
> >instance it's only just that 'you' should get what you asked for,
especially
> >since 'you' do not show the least bit of awareness of nor care for the
> >consequences of your deeds!
> >
> >When will the US become a civilized member of the international
community, a
> >nation which is an equal among equals? Never, since the US will continue
> >along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
> >indefinite future. So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just
attempt
> >to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
> >stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid
of
> >it, again!
> >
> >Nes
> >
>
> Hey Nes...!
> The US kills enemies that murder it's citizens.
How do you know that the victim of random US political terrorist violence in
Yemen was a terrorist, or and enemy of the US, or that he had killed anyone?
And, by the way, what were the US doing killing a free citicen WITHIN THE
BORDERS OF A FOREIGN SOVEREIGN NATION. That's casus belli. Yemen has hereby
got legal claims against the US and can declare war unless it gets full
redress!
> Apparently you Beliners have
> still have not learned that after 55 years.
I'm not a Berliner. What gave you that absurd idea? You "saved" Germany by
"giving" money? Don't be ridiculous, the money made avbailable to Germany
(and other Western nations) under the Marshall Plan were loans, which have
long since been repaid. Can the US repay its loans?
> If you country had the balls and
> the citizens the courage, we, (the US) would not have had to save you in
that
> little war in the 1940's. Remember we also gave you the where-withal to
rebuild
> you country and sheilded you from Communism for all those years. That
allowed
> you to become the whining little bunch of eletist pissants you are now.
> Go whine to someone that gives a shit.
Whining is not an activity I engage in as a rule. The same cannot be said of
'you' who make much out of pretending that the nations of the World "owe"
the US something. Well, let's clarify that aspect right away. The US robs,
plunders, steals everything it wants around the World by employing the worst
kinds of strong arm tactics. Consequently, that vulture nation is simply an
imperial bloodsucker, an hidious creature of human oppression and violence,
which the World has suffered far too long. There will be a day of reckoning!
Nes
> Gajr
Nes
> <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >"Kill - Kill - Kill", that's all 'America' does, it's all that it's good
at,
> >and that's all it needs to know.
>
> No..we feed, entertain, fund, and unfortunately have to police the
> world. No one seems to be able to get along without us.
None of that is true. The US is a loathsome slothful bloodsucker on the body
of the World, stealing, robbing, expropriating natural and human resources
of every possible kind, in every possible (robber) capitalist way. The US
could not exist without the rest of the World for as much as a single day.
You "Americans" can't feed yourselves, can't supply yourselves with the
basic necessities of life, can't finance your daily operation of the casino
economy without regular massive influxes of loans and investment, no, you're
in the position of having to force other peoples and nations into the roles
of slavery and economic subservience to maintain your horrendously overfed
standards of useless and destructive material over-consumption.
The population of the US amount to (probably less than) 4% of the entirety
of the human race. What possible explanation can there be for your
"American" invention of such an extremely stupid idea that "the World needs
'America'"? You, United Statesians, need the World, that's a plain and
simple fact, yet you pretend not to and your silly and mentally deranged
media captive population seem to have accepted that 'as fact' - an untenable
situation whose outcome is certain, for reality has a way of asserting
itself, eventually.
> >Certainly, if 'you' want to kill, kill, kill, that's what 'your' life and
> >entire existence will become dominated by. But 'you' wanted this, in this
> >instance it's only just that 'you' should get what you asked for,
especially
> >since 'you' do not show the least bit of awareness of nor care for the
> >consequences of your deeds!
>
> We only kill kill kill during wars or when someone needs a killing
> like anti-American muslims.
Where have you been hiding? In a cave with no line of communication to the
contemporary World? The present phoney War on Terror is just another US
political vehicle to engage in war, terror, and conquest around the World,
invented by the current crop of imperialists from the extreme Christian
right. Nothing new, that sort of thing has been going on since before the
so-called "American" War of Revolution. The resumption and continuation of
policies of imperialism in the guise of pursuing terrorists - but really,
it's just Manifest Destiny in an opportunist 21st century garb.
You "Americans" deserve whatever the Third World does to you in defence of
itself and its populations against you and your depredations. That Islamist
political activists would turn out to become your enemies of late is
certainly a delightful historical twist. They used to be your staunchest
allies, your willing tools, as long as they were useful (from the US
perspective) as cannon fodder in the Cold War. But you f*cked them over - so
they didn't take it lying down. Good for them!
> >When will the US become a civilized member of the international
community, a
> >nation which is an equal among equals?
>
> We are no countries equal. We don't want to lessen ourselves just to
> 'be equal'. That's not how being a superpower works.
With that remark you've just revealed your own abject level of understanding
and of humanity. You have none of either, so it's quite useless to explain
to you why your point of view is barbarian, through and through. For that's
what it is. Actually, you have just given the exact definition of a
"barbarian". He is a person who is unable to understand that the mores of
his own social conditioning are just of insular importance to him and to his
own little place in the World, nothing else. And that other cultures,
peoples also have their merit and their common history. But you are not part
of that human communality. You're somehow "better", right?
> >Never, since the US will continue
> >along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
> >indefinite future.
>
> We did not choose the path of war. Anti-American muslims forced our
> hand.
Oh yes you, the media captive US public, did choose war over peace, with
glee, and with the usual unseemly insane public displays of war fever and
soppy, insular, deranged "patriotism", and you did it when there were no
internal or external threats of national importance to your nation or system
of government. That makes the US a rogue nation and the aggressor, to boot!
> >So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just attempt
> >to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
> >stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid
of
> >it, again!
>
> Most of us are quite comfortable, untouched by violence, physically
> unharmed by terrorism. We don't expect for terrorism across the world
> to suddenly disappear anytime soon. Bush has said this will be a long
> war.
No, you're scared sh*tless by (what is probably less than) a thousand
terrorists. Every national poll of importance since 9/11 shows that to be
true. Of course, realistically, the threat is minimal to the ordinary
citizen. Yet, somehow, the irrationality of that fear now sits in the
driver's seat of national politics, allowing the political establishment and
the incumbent government to proceed with no care and little caution as it
engages in ever more violent despoliation of the Earth. Have a nice day!
Nes
Unknown
"Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>You absurd "Americans" did not liberate Europe during WWII. But that is an
>entirely new discussion. Why should anybody in Europe (or elsewere) feel
>gratitude towards the US? When do direct national relations with the US ever
>lead to anything but exploitation by the US? And don't say, "We rebuild
>Germany or Japan post WWII." That is a lie. You financed some of it by
>loans, which have long since been repaid. When will you "Americans", the
>gross over-consumers of the material wealth of the World, repay your debts?
>What, never? Even at this moment of a neo-conservative government, obsessed
>with cutting (some aspects of) federal spending, the US will be unable to
>service its official debts in the next hundred years, plus!
>> Right. We have built the best society on earth. That's what makes us
>>better.
>
>It does not - and you haven't. The mere fact that you propagate such an
>infantile and insular view is demonstration enough that you (as an
>individual) are of a very low (if any at all) civilized order. What is the
>US "better" at? Hollywood entertainment? Oh, yeah, let's think about that
>for a moment - and quickly forget about it, again. "Free speach"? Well,
>that's easily dealt with. There are scores of countries around the World
>which have more liberal laws on that subject that the US does, with its
>absurd puritan value system. But an insular person like you wouldn't know
>that, naturally. Then there's holy "Democracy". But wait, what's happened to
>it lately? The current US Government has not been elected, and the Executive
>Branch has usurped the most important powers of the Legislative and the
>Judicial Branches. Now the US is a provisional dictatorship - but of course,
>such small blemishes are unimportant when somebody like you want to regard
>to US as the "best and brightest", right?
>
>Do I need to go on? Your views are simply ridiculous. The US is a loathsome
>offensive lump on humanity, a cancerous growth threatening the health of the
>World entire, and it needs be cut out speedily with drastic surgery, right
>now!
When did Herr Doktor Professorboy Erb start posting from Berlin?
Billy
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
King Pineapple
downed another bottle of Der Schnapps und wrote in message
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> Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for its
> Government.
Don't they still practice slavery?
>Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
> togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
> envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
Simply hallucinatory. You obviously were out to lunch when Americans united
after 9/11.
> By the way, by what arrogance do United Statesians presume to judge other
> peoples?
LOL. The way *you're* arrogantly judging America NOW? Checkmate.
Next?
"Call me nostalgic, but wasn't it nice to
see Walter Mondale come out for one
last ass-whipping?"
Dave Letterman
Steven Litvintchouk
Maybe this "Nes" is Lord Haw-Haw's grandson?
http://www.heretical.org/British/joyce.html
(a URL for those younger folks who might not know who "Lord Haw-Haw"
was)
Isle Of The Dead
<Billy Beck> wrote in message
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>
> When did Herr Doktor Professorboy Erb start posting from Berlin?
Stick to your banjo picking and leave
politics to the professionals, Billy.
BlueOctopus
You want to kill him too?
Steven Litvintchouk
If you seriously think that America should be "envious" of North Korea
and Iraq and Sudan, then you're not worth bothering with.
A complete textbook of world history, plus one of geography, plus one of
moral philsophy, plus one of economic philosophy would be only part of
the answer to your drivel. And it's not worth my time to educate you in
all of this.
I suggest you buy yourself such books for Christmas, and start learning.
You have a very long way to go.
BlueOctopus
"El_Bastardo" <elbas...@therightwing.com> wrote in message
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Blow it out your ass.
Pollard is a traitor to America, what's anti-semitic about that?
|
BlueOctopus
"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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What's this WE bullshit?
When is your unit shipping out for Iraq?
BlueOctopus
<Kevin...@CoreCom.net> wrote in message
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Good. When is your unit leaving for the Middle East?
You did say WE, didn't you?
BlueOctopus
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|
| "BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote in message
| news:NZ4G9.37481$hK4.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
| >
| > "Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
| > news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
| > | In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
| >
| > The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
| >
| > If this turns into a tit-for-tat game, Bush will chicken out.
| > He won't put his life, or the lives of his family on the line.
|
| Are you absolutely sure of that? S.
|
join the fighting.
He hid in the Texas National Guard.
He could have joined the Marines, he didn't.
Julian D.
<nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
As a traitor to this country, of course.
Don't tell me we agree on something.
Julian D.
We have a fine military, more than capable to do the job.
Are you a recruiter?
BlueOctopus
"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
| On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:40:29 GMT, "BlueOctopus"
| <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
| >news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
| >| In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
| >
| >The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
| >
| They all ready have. You do remember 9/11? They tried to assinate our
| leaders in finance (WTC), the military (Pentagon), ant if the third
| attack had been sucessful the political (white House or Congress).
Assassination is a bit more specific than the Sept. 11th attack.
They didn't assassinate our leaders in finance, did they?
They didn't assassinate our military leaders either.
They murdered a lot of mid-level people.
|
| The only difference is that a Predator is a more percise wepon than a
| 767.
|
| >If this turns into a tit-for-tat game, Bush will chicken out.
| >He won't put his life, or the lives of his family on the line.
| >
| He all ready has.
Naw. Saddam challenged him to a PERSONAL fight.
Bush didn't take him up on it, did he?
Bush is chicken, to put it nicely.
He won't put himself in harms way to save another,
although he would push YOU in the path of a bullet meant for him.
Steven Litvintchouk
On Election Day, I *voted*.
So did a lot of other people who agree with me.
And as a result, Bush has the Senate, the House, the governorships, and
(real soon now) lots and lots of federal judgeships.
And now, this time WE are going to do it right.
The PATRIOT Act and the Homeland Security Department are only the
beginning.
The Miranda v. Arizona ruling will be modified.
The first military tribunals are about to start.
And that's only the first year.
Bush will likely serve two terms.
Captain Compassion
<nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
>
>"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>news:3de8eca7...@news.verizon.net...
>| On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:40:29 GMT, "BlueOctopus"
>| <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
>|
>| >
>| >"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>| >news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
>| >| In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
>| >
>| >The down side is that now others can use the assassination option also.
>| >
>| They all ready have. You do remember 9/11? They tried to assinate our
>| leaders in finance (WTC), the military (Pentagon), ant if the third
>| attack had been sucessful the political (white House or Congress).
>
>Assassination is a bit more specific than the Sept. 11th attack.
>
>They didn't assassinate our leaders in finance, did they?
>They didn't assassinate our military leaders either.
>
>They murdered a lot of mid-level people.
>
Isn't it wonderful that we won't have kill thousands to get our
target.
>|
>| The only difference is that a Predator is a more percise wepon than a
>| 767.
>|
>| >If this turns into a tit-for-tat game, Bush will chicken out.
>| >He won't put his life, or the lives of his family on the line.
>| >
>| He all ready has.
>
>Naw. Saddam challenged him to a PERSONAL fight.
>Bush didn't take him up on it, did he?
>Bush is chicken, to put it nicely.
>He won't put himself in harms way to save another,
>although he would push YOU in the path of a bullet meant for him.
Sniffin' Glue are you?
Captain Compassion
<nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Loopy Danish Pastry "Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:asa3eh$opsto$1...@ID-130862.news.dfncis.de...
>>
>> >
>> > When will the US become a civilized member of the international
>community
>>
>> LOL. As evidenced by such places as Sudan, North Korea and Iraq?
>>
>> Now, Les, can I have some of what you're inhaling?
>
>Who the f*ck is Les?
>
>Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for its
>Government. Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
>togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
>envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
>
Except maybe for that slavery thing they have going on.
>By the way, by what arrogance do United Statesians presume to judge other
>peoples? Laid off 10.000 workers, bought the Federal Government, stolen
>anybody's social security, manipulated the stock marked, killed anyone
>today, done drugs, engaged in other crimes? Come now, be truthful!
>
Because we can.... Shithead.
Unknown
"Isle Of The Dead" <isleof...@earthlink.net> wrote:
><Billy Beck> wrote...
>>
>> When did Herr Doktor Professorboy Erb start posting from Berlin?
> Stick to your banjo picking and leave
> politics to the professionals, Billy.
I have every confidence that you'll go far, Langford.
Nes
> Leading Scandinavian Liberal Lout "Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com>
> downed another bottle of Der Schnapps und wrote in message
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>
> > Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for
its
> > Government.
>
> Don't they still practice slavery?
>
> >Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
> > togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
> > envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
>
> Simply hallucinatory. You obviously were out to lunch when Americans
united
> after 9/11.
>
> > By the way, by what arrogance do United Statesians presume to judge
other
> > peoples?
>
> LOL. The way *you're* arrogantly judging America NOW? Checkmate.
>
> Next?
There is no checkmate and certainly no arrogance in nor inclination on my
part to "pass judgement" on "America" - whatever that might be. On the
contrary, events on the ground, the actual happenings in the World and
inside the US only serve to demonstrate the correctness of my views, which
are STRICTLY summary and neutral in nature.
But you don't like to look at reality. Not the reality of your nation's
governments and the policies they pursue, nor the reality of how the US is
percieved abroad, nor at the reality of how the US interacts with the World
at large. You do not see the change that has come to US foreign and national
policies in the period since the end of the Cold War? You don't recognize
greed, imperialism, militarism, Fascism etc. when it occurs? Then you are
just a media captive, unable to partcipate in adult debates, never able to
grasp the reality that confronts you every day of your life.
No, no, no, the US simply hasn't got a snowball's chance in Hell of
surviving this War of Terrorism without deepseated and permanent damage
being done to its Constitution and to its constitutional organs. Democracy,
even in the poor relation "two party system"-type common to the US, is
permanently finished in the US. The time for a New Order has arisen!
Any attempts to try to negotiate with the New Order of the US or to make
deals with it are simply to be regarded as defaitism and appeasement.
Everybody out there, take heed of the warnings of history.
Nes
Nes
>
>
> Nes wrote:
> >
> > "King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:eV8G9.7662$yy.10...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > Loopy Danish Pastry "Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote in
message
> > > news:asa3eh$opsto$1...@ID-130862.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > When will the US become a civilized member of the international
> > community
> > >
> > > LOL. As evidenced by such places as Sudan, North Korea and Iraq?
> > >
> > > Now, Les, can I have some of what you're inhaling?
> >
> > Who the f*ck is Les?
> >
> > Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for
its
> > Government. Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
> > togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
> > envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
> >
> > By the way, by what arrogance do United Statesians presume to judge
other
> > peoples? Laid off 10.000 workers, bought the Federal Government, stolen
> > anybody's social security, manipulated the stock marked, killed anyone
> > today, done drugs, engaged in other crimes? Come now, be truthful!
>
> If you seriously think that America should be "envious" of North Korea
> and Iraq and Sudan, then you're not worth bothering with.
Blather. Typical US arrogance and ignorance. Do 'you' really believe that
the only way to "measure" happiness is to list your material belongings? The
peoples of any Third World country have more social dignity and upstanding
character in their little fingers than do even the most patriotic of
"Americans". Obviously!
But still, you United Stetesians know somehow, possibly subcounciously, that
you've lost part of your ancient human heritage. So you have to brag when
you buy a new SUV. Pitiful!
> A complete textbook of world history, plus one of geography, plus one of
> moral philsophy, plus one of economic philosophy would be only part of
> the answer to your drivel. And it's not worth my time to educate you in
> all of this.
An "American" have witten those books? Well, bring them on, list their
titles and the names of their writers and I shall give an opinion as to
their worth. But don't try to use them as arguments, just because you know
of their exestence. You CAN read, can't you?
> I suggest you buy yourself such books for Christmas, and start learning.
> You have a very long way to go.
That would be interesting if true. Sadly, it probably isn't for I,
personally, enjoy learning and educating myself. I guess that you're just
looking for an excuse to dismiss my views, and since you can't come up with
any good arguments yourself, you claim that those arguments are hiding in
books. Well?
Nes
Nes
"Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:09:33 +0100, "Nes"
> <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:eV8G9.7662$yy.10...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >> Loopy Danish Pastry "Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote in
message
> >> news:asa3eh$opsto$1...@ID-130862.news.dfncis.de...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > When will the US become a civilized member of the international
> >community
> >>
> >> LOL. As evidenced by such places as Sudan, North Korea and Iraq?
> >>
> >> Now, Les, can I have some of what you're inhaling?
> >
> >Who the f*ck is Les?
> >
> >Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for
its
> >Government. Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
> >togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
> >envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
> >
> Except maybe for that slavery thing they have going on.
>
> >By the way, by what arrogance do United Statesians presume to judge other
> >peoples? Laid off 10.000 workers, bought the Federal Government, stolen
> >anybody's social security, manipulated the stock marked, killed anyone
> >today, done drugs, engaged in other crimes? Come now, be truthful!
> >
> Because we can.... Shithead.
I do not engage in arguments with those who can't keep a civil tongue in
their heads. So unless I hear some kind of excuse or (I'll settle for that)
a rephrasing of that last message of yours, this is it. Bye!
Nes
RCMan
Your floundering attempt to write coherent English is yet one more
reason to laugh at you, little boy.
lung
wrote:
first we take badgag...then we take berlin...
...then we take berkely!
yay!
barely restrained lung
>
> VRWC Fronteer
> http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
ps: happy birthday beck!
Nes
"RCMan" <rcma...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:3776526f.02120...@posting.google.com...
Do you recon you are a good judge of languages? Well, if you are, regale all
of the groupies here with your dazzling skill. Be convincing, put your money
where your mouth is, instead af just offering mean spirited criticism.
Besides that, have you got any arguments to support your claim of having
read something laughable - if not, surely, you're just laughing in a vacuum,
as meaningful a pastime as one hand clapping. Way to go.
In the future, stick to giving your points of view, going after the ball, as
it were, and not the man. Anything else is immature and infantile.
Nes
David D. Workman
> snip
>
> Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for its
> Government. Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
> togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
> envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
I have been following this thread for some time, wondering if you had any
real insight. I now have my answer.
David
David D. Workman
> "King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1LbG9.7863$yy.10...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > Leading Scandinavian Liberal Lout "Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com>
> > downed another bottle of Der Schnapps und wrote in message
> > news:asb9eg$q1frd$1...@ID-130862.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > > Sudan is eminently more civilized that the US - excepting possibly for
> its
> > > Government.
> >
> > Don't they still practice slavery?
> >
> > >Sudanese peoples have a real sense of common history and
> > > togetherness which United Statesians can only compare themselves to with
> > > envy. The same goes for North Korea and Iraq.
> >
> > Simply hallucinatory. You obviously were out to lunch when Americans
> united
> > after 9/11.
> >
> > > By the way, by what arrogance do United Statesians presume to judge
> other
> > > peoples?
> >
> > LOL. The way *you're* arrogantly judging America NOW? Checkmate.
> >
> > Next?
>
> There is no checkmate and certainly no arrogance in nor inclination on my
> part to "pass judgement" on "America" - whatever that might be.
So you wouldn't say, for example, " The US is a loathsome slothful bloodsucker
on the body of the World, stealing, robbing, expropriating natural and human
resources
of every possible kind, in every possible (robber) capitalist way. " Or at
least you wouldn't want to call it judgmental.
David
King Pineapple
news:dejG9.49242$HU.34...@news010.worldonline.dk...
>
> There is no checkmate and certainly no arrogance in nor inclination on my
> part to "pass judgement" on "America" - whatever that might be.
LOL. Directly below this, you CONFIRM you have views. I've just caught you
lying twice in the same paragraph. You're even better than Clinton.
>On the
> contrary, events on the ground, the actual happenings in the World and
> inside the US only serve to demonstrate the correctness of my views, which
> are STRICTLY summary and neutral in nature.
LOL. NAME these "happenings".
> But you don't like to look at reality. Not the reality of your nation's
> governments and the policies they pursue, nor the reality of how the US is
> percieved abroad,
OK, Les, you tell me. HOW is the US "perceived abroad"?
However, I am going to put conditions on your "response" to me.
You have to support your allegations with foreign public opinion polls ONLY.
That means you CANNOT base ANY of your "response" on OPINION from liberal
European opinion-makers. No Palestinian newspaper op-ed pieces either.
Give it your best shot. My guess is you'll come up empty, as the remainder
of your post looked like it was lifted straight off an editorial page or
from a socialistic college text...
I'll be here. Now get to work.
"The loss of Chick Hearn is greater than the loss of the World Trade
Center"-Trebor
Nes
"David D. Workman" <david.d...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3DEA0984...@verizon.net...
In case you wonder that is just a statement. It's a statement of fact in my
view, which is obvious since I've provided no documentation. But as a
statement it is NOT judgemental. Instead it's as objective and clearly
expressed as I'm able to manage. You're welcome to disbelieve it, naturally,
but don't obfuscate or dawdle. Let's hear arguments or statements which you
believe to be correct regarding the issue of US "extra-judicial killings",
if you have any! Isn't it nice to be a citizen of a nation whose government
have no practical or moral qualms about murdering and killing and torturing
and locking people up in cages? The next big "thing" will be public
mastication of enemies at victory celebrations in Washington DC performed by
Bible Belt insiders. Wow, what a powerful statement of masculinity and
dominance that would be, right!? And there are "American" imperial
precedents of cannibalistic victory orgies which the Bush Administration
might just find useful to emulate. It would be a hit with the sheeple, the
media, and the fashion crowd would go wild with excitement. The stock marked
would take heart, and a new glorious run of the Bull market would be off.
What about you? Care to participate...?
Nes
Beck...@kickbeck.com
wing scumbag:
> When did Herr Doktor Professorboy Erb start posting from Berlin?
When did you start being relevant after your "BURGERKING" narc job,
BECKIE?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Make us laugh
Tell us about BURGERKING
=============================================================
Beck writes :
>Buy yourself a quality pistol. (I recommend the Beretta 92F, but
>that's just me. Aesthetic considerations have been admirably served
>in my own case with the FS - stainless steel - and custom black walnut
>grips, but all that is your lookout.) Get yourself qualified to
>handle it. Make damned sure you know what you're doing. Once that's
>done, get yourself a bunch of dry-fire rounds in your caliber.
>They're usually available at any quality gun shop in bubble-packs of
>five for less than about fifteen dollars. (The ones I use are
>transparent red plastic, with the pad spring visible above the brass,
>inside.) Keeping one in the chamber at all times, never watch the
>TEEVEE without your dry-fire pistol near at hand. Whenever The Lying
>Bastard appears, exploit the opportunity and your visceral reaction
>for purposes of target acquisition training and full-grip squeeze
>conditioning.
>Billy
>VRWC Fronteer
>http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html
David D. Workman
Look, Nes, if you want to make judgmental statements about the US, feel free.
If you want to state your undocumented, unsupported opinion, feel free to do
that as well. But don't do so and then say you have "no inclination to pass
judgment on America." It is obviously not true and I can only wonder if this is
argumentative dishonesty on your part or if you really believe what you are
saying. If the above statement is as objective and clearly expressed as you can
manage... well, again, I can only wonder.
David
Ernest Brown
> Nes wrote:
> >
> > When will the US become a civilized member of the international community, a
> > nation which is an equal among equals? Never, since the US will continue
> > along its chosen path of violence, imperialism, and militarism for the
> > indefinite future. So, all 'you' United Statesians, 'you' might just attempt
> > to get used to terrorism and political violence. It's going to remain as
> > stable in your news 'diet' and lives for ever - and NEVER will you be rid of
> > it, again!
>
> That sounds like an ultimatum.
> We don't like ultimatums in America.
>
> Everyone else who handed America an ultimatum, ended up regretting it
> dearly.
>
> So will you.
It seems that we didn't do a good enough job bombing the fascistic and
idiotic intolerance and mindless revanchist anti-individualism out of
Germany the last time, eh Steve?
Ernest Brown
This anti-humanist, anti-Enlightenment troll doesn't "want" to get it.
"Nes" values the collectivist boot stamping in a human face forever
that gave us the Holocaust and other wonderful examples of mass human
slaughter. The communitarian anti-individualist ideals he espouses
were tried here in the US in the past. See the results for yourself:
www.journale.com/withoutsanctuary
That's Nes's tribalism in a nutshell. Pretty, ain't it?
DRILLANWR
"BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote in message
>
> "sarah" <nowe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:asb8rh$ri7$1...@news.state.mn.us...
> |
> | "BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote in message
> | news:NZ4G9.37481$hK4.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> | >
> | > "Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> | > news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
> | > | In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options.
> | >
> | > The down side is that now others can use the assassination option
also.
> | >
> | > If this turns into a tit-for-tat game, Bush will chicken out.
> | > He won't put his life, or the lives of his family on the line.
> |
> | Are you absolutely sure of that? S.
> |
> Well look at his service during Viet Nam, he certainly didn't volunteer
to
> join the fighting.
> He hid in the Texas National Guard.
> He could have joined the Marines, he didn't.
I didn't hear you chickenshits squealing when clinton sent our boys to
bosnia and he said they'd be hom by christmas.I didn't hear you chickenshits
squealing when we went into Mogadishu either.A bunch of hypocrites you
america haters are .
Unknown
"BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
>"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote...
>| Stop demanding that we stop "provoking" the rest of the world. The rest
>| of the world has provoked us, and I've had enough of it. After 9-11,
>| it's time we made the rest of the world pay for what they did to us.
>What's this WE bullshit?
>When is your unit shipping out for Iraq?
That logic goes both ways. Unless you're enlisted -- in which
case you could take the opportunity to resign in protest -- then
you're not authorized to protest for people are *are* enlisted and
ready to go.
Unknown
"Nes" <nmorph...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote...
>> If you seriously think that America should be "envious" of North Korea
>> and Iraq and Sudan, then you're not worth bothering with.
>
>Blather. Typical US arrogance and ignorance. Do 'you' really believe that
>the only way to "measure" happiness is to list your material belongings? The
>peoples of any Third World country have more social dignity and upstanding
>character in their little fingers than do even the most patriotic of
>"Americans". Obviously!
I have a question.
What, exactly, is "social dignity"?
Isle Of The Dead
news:2p4juu407menaok7d...@4ax.com...
>
> > Stick to your banjo picking and leave
> > politics to the professionals, Billy.
>
> I have every confidence that you'll go far, Langford.
Relax, Beck.
Pace yourself.
Go placidly amid the Droids and Wastes and remember
what safety there might be in silence.
As far as possible, be on good terms with all officers.
Speak your truth quietly and unclearly; and listen to the
dull and ignorant. They, too, have their firearms.
Avoid loud and aggressive patriots; they are vexations that
will soon be exorcised.
You are a child of the Federal Government, no less than
the Erbs or the Trebors, you have a few rights left here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the
Endarkening is unfolding as it should.
King Pineapple
> OK, Les, you tell me. HOW is the US "perceived abroad"?
>
> However, I am going to put conditions on your "response" to me.
>
> You have to support your allegations with foreign public opinion polls
ONLY.
> That means you CANNOT base ANY of your "response" on OPINION from liberal
> European opinion-makers. No Palestinian newspaper op-ed pieces either.
>
> Give it your best shot. My guess is you'll come up empty, as the remainder
> of your post looked like it was lifted straight off an editorial page or
> from a socialistic college text...
>
> I'll be here. Now get to work.
Gee, no response?
What a surprise...
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"-
CBS News Managing Editor/Chief Anchor Dan Rather
King Pineapple
> "King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:o8oG9.8532$yy.11...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
> > OK, Les, you tell me. HOW is the US "perceived abroad"?
> >
> > However, I am going to put conditions on your "response" to me.
> >
> > You have to support your allegations with foreign public opinion polls
> ONLY.
> > That means you CANNOT base ANY of your "response" on OPINION from liberal
> > European opinion-makers. No Palestinian newspaper op-ed pieces either.
> >
> > Give it your best shot. My guess is you'll come up empty, as the remainder
> > of your post looked like it was lifted straight off an editorial page or
> > from a socialistic college text...
> >
> > I'll be here. Now get to work.
>
> Gee, no response?
From you?
>
> What a surprise...
Not.
Eyewitness
<saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:o8oG9.8532$yy.11...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
>> OK, Les, you tell me. HOW is the US "perceived abroad"?
>>
>> However, I am going to put conditions on your "response" to me.
>>
>> You have to support your allegations with foreign public opinion polls
>ONLY.
>> That means you CANNOT base ANY of your "response" on OPINION from liberal
>> European opinion-makers. No Palestinian newspaper op-ed pieces either.
>>
>> Give it your best shot. My guess is you'll come up empty, as the remainder
>> of your post looked like it was lifted straight off an editorial page or
>> from a socialistic college text...
>>
>> I'll be here. Now get to work.
>
>Gee, no response?
>
Perhaps he simply kill files trailer park fags and never read your
mindless dribble.
Steven Litvintchouk
Cannibalism with dignified rituals in which the human remains are
prepared according to ancient tribal law.
Michael Hirtes
cars nailed with a Hellfire missle as they're driving home from work on
the highway.
"Only the rich people deserve to have rights", you know.
Ernest Brown
(snip)
From the Things I Wished I Said Dept:
#59 Prima Donna V. 12/1/2002 05:39PM PST
(54) David Foster wrote:
My view is that the current generation of Europeans is in danger of
throwing away the achievements of their forefathers.
I agree, David. What maddens many of us Americans about the EUniks is
that they congratuate themselves on their superior civilization but
don't seem to believe that that civilization is worth fighting for.
I would say the situation in Europe is like this. For centuries, the
only non-Christian religious minority in the European house was made
to huddle in the basement and hardly ever permitted to come out and
join the rest of the boarders. Even though they kept to themselves and
made no trouble, they were still resented by the other inhabitants who
would go downstairs and beat the crap out of them from time to time.
(Needless to say, a few of the upstairs boarders deplored the violence
of their fellows, however, these folks were few in number and easily
ignored.)In the 19th century, a number of them came upstairs
(Disraeli, the Rothschilds, Heine, Freud, etc) and made some stellar
contributions to the house's design and decoration. However, this did
not make the inhabitants of the cellar any more loved; in fact, they
were more despised than ever by the folks upstairs, who finally
decided to "clean house" by murdering the people in the basement.
Now, the upstairs inhabitants have thrown the front door open to a new
religious minority and these newcomers are not only lounging around
upstairs, they're pissing on the carpets, spitting on the fine
paintings, taking a dump right in the middle of the dining room, and
alternately laughing at and threatening their now timid hosts.
Furthermore, they're coming into the bedrooms and lecturing the
boarders on their sinfulness while trying to rape the women of the
house at the same time. And what do the owners of the house think when
they look at their increasingly smelly, vandalized, terrifying estate?
They blame the people that used to live in the cellar. The cellar
survivors have moved to their own digs in a notably bad neighborhood
down the block, but the owners of their old home are standing on the
curb shaking their fists and screaming at them. Why? Because the
estate's owners are too afraid to go back inside the old mansion and
do some ass-kicking. The people in the cellar were easy targets. The
people puking up falafel on the Rembrandts are not.
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=4876
Ray
> Great idea. We should have done it years ago.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
Clinton was too busy chasing Elian around while Al Qeada was slipping
in their sleeper cells. Clinton also was busy with Monica and using
tanks to kill 80 people at Waco.
>
> "Captain Compassion" <res0...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3de85044...@news.verizon.net...
> > In wake of Predator success, U.S. weighs assassination options
> >
> > SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
> > Friday, November 29, 2002
> > The United States is quietly examining the feasibility of
> > assassinating Hizbullah leaders linked to the deaths of U.S. soldiers
> > and civilians in the 1980s.
> >
Steven Litvintchouk
That's why I don't like it when Germans take it upon themselves to
lecture us on how awful America is.
Their track record is a lot worse and a lot longer:
"We will dominate the whole world"
-- Bismarck
"God has made us for civilizing the world. Woe to those who resist our
will"
-- Kaiser Wilhelm
"Destroy by any means....National Socialism will reshape the world"
-- Adolf Hitler
"You Americans had better get used to terrorism....NEVER will you be rid
of it"
-- Nes
Steven Litvintchouk
Excellent points.
But what really infuriates the upstairs inhabitants now even more, is
that the people in the cellar are no longer easy targets either. The
people in the cellar learned their lesson about not being easy targets.
The only easy targets left now are: the upstairs inhabitants.
Michael Hirtes
rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote:
> "Rick Carlsen" <nospam...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:<BJYF9.55095$wc2.2...@news2.east.cox.net>...
> > Great idea. We should have done it years ago.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rick
>
>
> Clinton was too busy chasing Elian around while Al Qeada was slipping
> in their sleeper cells.
The CIA and the GOP trained Al Qeada how to do that pretty well, didn't
they?
Beck...@kickbeck.com
right wing scumbag:
>
>Clinton was too busy chasing Elian around
Translated:
Clinton was occupied upholding conservative "Family values" because
republicans were using Cuban politics to further their agenda.
>while Al Qeada was slipping
>in their sleeper cells.
"Sleeper Cells didn't emerge overnight during the Clinton
Administration.
As far back as your drooling turnips administration, terrorists
attacks were taking place.
>Clinton also was busy with Monica and using
>tanks to kill 80 people at Waco.
Huh?
Koresh used tanks?
Quintin
We sure heard you types squealing at the time though, didn't we? There was a moral justification then. We point that there is no link
between Iraq and Al Quaeda, or any other justification, and you squeal even louder. You America hating conservatives are all alike.
BlueOctopus
<Billy Beck> wrote in message
How do you resign from the U.S. Army?
It's called desertion.
AND those who served their enlistments, and are due to be released are being
held against their wishes.
They could re-enlist, but some aren't, and being prevented from leaving the
service.
Now back to the question: When is your unit shipping out?
§K¥ Wå£K€®
<asky...@rebeloutpost.org> wrote:
>can anyone prove that this is what really happened?
answer:
no.
addition: who cares. as long as it wasn't me, right?
s.w.
Unknown
"BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
><Billy Beck> wrote...
>|
>| "BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
>|
>| >"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote...
>|
>| >| Stop demanding that we stop "provoking" the rest of the world. The
>| >|rest of the world has provoked us, and I've had enough of it. After 9-11,
>| >| it's time we made the rest of the world pay for what they did to us.
>|
>| >What's this WE bullshit?
>| >When is your unit shipping out for Iraq?
>|
>| That logic goes both ways. Unless you're enlisted -- in which
>| case you could take the opportunity to resign in protest -- then
>| you're not authorized to protest for people are *are* enlisted and
>| ready to go.
>
>How do you resign from the U.S. Army?
Officers can do it at any point. That's what a commission is all
about. But I can see that you think that you have a more principled
point, and we'll see if you do. Here's the pop-quiz for you: what do
you think that these people -- officer or enlisted -- are signing up
*for* in the first place?
BlueOctopus
<Billy Beck> wrote in message
|
| "BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
|
| ><Billy Beck> wrote...
| >|
| >| "BlueOctopus" <nob...@absoultely.nowhere> wrote:
| >|
| >| >"Steven Litvintchouk" <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote...
| >|
| >| >| Stop demanding that we stop "provoking" the rest of the world. The
| >| >|rest of the world has provoked us, and I've had enough of it. After
9-11,
| >| >| it's time we made the rest of the world pay for what they did to us.
| >|
| >| >What's this WE bullshit?
| >| >When is your unit shipping out for Iraq?
| >|
| >| That logic goes both ways. Unless you're enlisted -- in which
| >| case you could take the opportunity to resign in protest -- then
| >| you're not authorized to protest for people are *are* enlisted and
| >| ready to go.
| >
| >How do you resign from the U.S. Army?
|
| Officers can do it at any point.
WRONG!!!!
One oficer who objected to the Anthrax innoculation was going to be court
martialed, are you saying he could have just resigned?
Your IGNORANCE is showing.
|That's what a commission is all
| about. But I can see that you think that you have a more principled
| point, and we'll see if you do. Here's the pop-quiz for you: what do
| you think that these people -- officer or enlisted -- are signing up
| *for* in the first place?
They signed up to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the
United States.
They didn't sign up to be used as cannon fodder by a coward, who ducked HIS
chance to serve where the action was.
What about those who are being held past the end of their enlistment?
There is a "stop loss" in effect where some personnel are being prevented
from leaving the military.
Why don't you join up so those who have completed their enlistments can get
on with their lives.
They could have re-enlisted, they didn't, maybe they want out.
Join up, take their place.
Michael Schneider
> <Billy Beck> wrote in message
> | >How do you resign from the U.S. Army?
> |
> | Officers can do it at any point.
>
> WRONG!!!!
> One oficer who objected to the Anthrax innoculation was going to be court
> martialed, are you saying he could have just resigned?
> Your IGNORANCE is showing.
<shaking head>
Billy: It's a lost cause here.
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Isle Of The Dead
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> <shaking head>
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> Billy: It's a lost cause here.
Well, it is a lost cause, but when I
was in, OCS school required a five
year commitment, so you couldn't
just "resign" anytime you liked.
Isle Of The Dead
"Michael Schneider" <yehaw...@usfamily.net> wrote in message
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> Billy: It's a lost cause here.
But I am getting one hell of a laugh
out of Lochner and Hanson's
sudden conversion to "freedom"
and "law". :)
Captain Compassion
You can resign your comission and live out your enlistment as a
Private.
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"If you can't eat their food, drink their liquor, fuck their
whores and take their money and STILL vote AGAINST them, you
don't belong in this business." -- Jess Unruh.
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us,
'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" -- Dosteovsky
Joseph R. Darancette
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