Who Served Their Country -- A List of Top Democrats and Republicans
TRUTHSEEKER
Prominent Democrats
House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Served his country in uniform,
1965-71
House Minority Whip David Bonior - Served his country in uniform, 1968-72
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform, 1969-72
Former Vice President Al Gore - Served his country in uniform, 1969-71;
recipient of Vietnam Service Medal
Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Daniel Inouye... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, World War Two
John Kerry... Democrat...Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
Charles Rangel...Democrat... Bronze Star, Korea
Max Cleland... Democrat... Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying
Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
http://www.afji.com/mags/1997/Jan/VietVets.html
Ambassador "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Democratic congressman,
Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star
and the Legion of Merit http://www.af.mil/news/Apr1997/n19970414_970430.html
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: served in combat with the U.S. Army as a staff
sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade; was wounded and
received a Purple Heart. http://www.house.gov/mthompson/bio.html
Prominent Republicans
Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader Dick Armey- avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Whip Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four
years
VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had
other priorities than military service")
Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - sought deferment to teach business ed at SW
Missouri State
And They Call Him General
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, too much of a republican.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve
Former President Ronald Reagan - served in a noncombat role. He later seems
to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real
thing.
"B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college
acting classes (Orange County Register article)
Senator John McCain - McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze
Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did
the Bush campaign smear him so?
Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man.
http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.html
Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross,
two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other
decorations http://www.house.gov/cunningham/about_duke.htm#Biography
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
Frank Logullo
Frank
Cisco Kid
"Frank Logullo" <frank....@dol.net> wrote in message
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> Where's Slick Willy on your list ;)
> Frank
Omitted as is another prominent democrat. Former Senator John Glenn was a
decorated WWII/Korea Marine fighter pilot, test pilot, astronaut and true
American legend.
general_mauser@itchy+scratchy.com
Slick Willie is above AWOL Bush...who, after all, went AWOL which is
far worse than the worse innuendo you can hurl at President Clinton.
You should read what Sec. Powel wrote in his autobiography about what
President Clinton did to avoid the draft.
general_mauser@itchy+scratchy.com
George McGovern - WWI bomber pilot
N9NWO
have served, 62 democrats and 2 independents.
Most of the democrats served before Vietnam
Overall, few if any elected democrats have served
since the end of the draft.
TRUTHSEEKER <Truth...@homelandinsecurity.com> wrote...
: Who served in the military?
:
:
Mitchell Holman
That would make him one heck of a
lot older than he really is, no?
chudh
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> Frank
Clinton tried to dodge, but succumbed to an attack of conscience. You could
say he "tried dodging", but he "didn't inhale"...
Ultimately though, Clinton was willing to walk his talk. You may disagree
with him, but when push came to shove -- his behavior matched his beliefs.
It may seem strange, but that is the definition of INTEGRITY.
Clinton knew from age eleven that he wanted to be President, and he knew
what his opposition to the Vietnam war and the draft could cost him in
political life. Read his letter.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html
Fact: Clinton openly objected to the Vietnam war and the draft.
Fact: Clinton sought and received an ROTC deferment, but he never intended
to enter officer training.
Fact: Consumed by guilt at his deceit (according to his apology letter to
ROTC), he set aside his ROTC deferment and submitted himself to the draft.
Fact: He subsequently drew a high draft lottery number and was not,
therefore, selected.
NOW let's take a look at Shrubya (we'll leave Cheney's FOUR draft deferments
for later):
GW not only had his daddy pull strings so he could cut to the front of an
unbelievably long waiting list for AirNatGuard spots (the best way to stay
out of 'Nam, and GET PAID by TAXPAYERS for it), he also got a special slot
made for him to make sure that the only combat plane he was ever rated to
fly was an F-102. Why did they need to make a special slot for GW to be an
F-102 pilot? Because F-102's had been obsoleted -- pulled from all active
military use and all new pilot training on that airframe had been CANCELED.
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm
Getting himself trained on a MILITARILY USELESS F-102 in the Texas Air
National Guard at taxpayer expense was a neat trick for the AWOL
chicken-shit hypocrite GW to guarantee NO CHANCE of going to WAR, but that
wasn't enough for GW. He made sure he was de-rated for even that plane by
not showing up for his mandatory flight physicals (or maybe it was to hide
his drug use?). This all happened well before he went AWOL.
So, not only did Shrubya dodge combat service, skip out on his service
obligation and commit treason (yes, AWOL in wartime is equivalent to
TREASON), he sucked up valuable taxpayer funded military pilot training
dollars as well, and then never fulfilled his obligation to the USA. And
now, we have to hold back the urge to vomit as we watch him wave the flag of
war-patriotism.
Hmm... Clinton or Bush.
I'll take an active conscientious objector who never lied about his
opposition to the Vietnam war over a hypocritical, chicken-hawk, yellow,
lying, spoon-up-his-nose, AWOL,
hide-from-the-war-behind-my-high-powered-daddy piece of shit scumbag
anytime. What an asshole. GW doesn't even deserve the dubious distinction of
bearing his fathers last name.
Shall we talk about Cheney now? Nah...he at least Dick had the
quasi-integrity to get FOUR REAL deferments -- student (2x), Marriage (1x)
and Parental (1x). At least we didn't have to pay him a SALARY for his
non-service.
http://www.rackjite.com/14flag.htm
-pje
general_mauser@itchy+scratchy.com
no...it would not..because that's what he was
>
>
>
PJE
Jimmy Carter, Naval Academy graduate - seven years service as a Naval
officer
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Andrew R. Spartz
Born in 1922, he clearly missed WWI. However he was as pilot in WWII.
ARS
jan_49
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Dang! He looks pretty good for a 107-year-old!
jan_49
to have dodged the draft.
"TRUTHSEEKER" <Truth...@homelandinsecurity.com> wrote in message
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PJE
> have served, 62 democrats and 2 independents.
Your count is off. Dems are in the high 70's last I counted (late last
year), and on a PERCENTAGE basis their participation is roughly equal to
republicans, despite the fact that Dems average age is slightly younger.
More importantly, after subtracting the number of congressmen and women who
served in state national guard and reserve only positions, it turns out that
more Democrats have served in the US armed forces - you know, ARMY, NAVY,
AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO WAR.
> Most of the democrats served before Vietnam
Horseshit.
> Overall, few if any elected democrats have served
> since the end of the draft.
Bullshit.
-pje
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PJE
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DO TELL, PLEASE!!!!
morgan mair fheal
wounded in combat and arm permanently injured
jan_49
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As if Powell would know.
PJE
http://www.mcgovernlibrary.com/george.htm
"World War II interrupted McGovern's education in 1943. He flew 35 combat
missions as a B-24 bomber pilot in Europe, earning the Distinguished Flying
Cross. After the war he returned to Dakota Wesleyan University, graduating
in 1946. McGovern then attended Garrett Seminary for one year before
enrolling at Northwestern University in Chicago, where he earned his M.A.
and Ph.D. degrees in American history and government."
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Unknown
<Truth...@homelandinsecurity.com> wrote:
>Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform, 1969-72
Which country? Chicoms? North Koreans? Khmer Rouge? Canada?
Those are the only ones who take dwarfs. Alright, maybe not Canada.
Unknown
>John Glenn was a
>decorated WWII/Korea Marine fighter pilot, test pilot, astronaut and true
>American legend.
The other guys in the space program hated him. In return for running
cover for Clinton's transgressions, he was given another space walk.
Unknown
wrote:
>As a devout pacifist
When the bomb NYC with a thermonuclear weapon, will you fight then, or
do you prefer to be a slave?
Are you a real pacifist, or just a coward who prefers someone else die
for your freedom?
PJE
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"morgan mair fheal" <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > : Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man.
> > : http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.html
>
> wounded in combat and arm permanently injured
Hmm...same injury as Darth Vader, just before he went over to the dark
side!!
Sorry, that was cheap. Bob Dole served honorably. Shrubya isn't fit to stand
in the same room with a guy like Bob Dole.
Come to think of it, if I had known that we'd have shrubya in office today,
I'd have voted for Dole, and for his re-election. I'd rather have eight
years of Dole than four years of shrubbie.
-pje
Pride of America
> Frank
Clinton served as president for 8 years and gave us the best 8 years
america ever had. That counts for something.
Mitchell Holman
Really. Was he in the Lafayette Escadrille then?
Or in Eddie Rickenbachers "Hat in the Ring" group?
Come to think of it, the US didn't even HAVE bombers
in WWI...............
Dave Thompson
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2...@world.att.net> wrote in message
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Hey, bonehead - they served in Canada or Britain.
Mike Blackford
>
> As a devout pacifist, I wholeheartedly support the right for these GOPnesses
> to have dodged the draft.
I served in 'Nam with quite a few pacifists. We called 'em medics.
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>
> jan_49 wrote:
> >
> > As a devout pacifist, I wholeheartedly support the right for these GOPnesses
> > to have dodged the draft.
>
> I served in 'Nam with quite a few pacifists. We called 'em medics.
Oh, one more point...
They were guys who knew the difference between pacifism and cowardice.
jan_49
> I think the "WWI" reference was a typo...it was WWII...
NO!!!
jan_49
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> Mike Blackford wrote:
> >
> > jan_49 wrote:
> > >
> > > As a devout pacifist, I wholeheartedly support the right for these
GOPnesses
> > > to have dodged the draft.
> >
> > I served in 'Nam with quite a few pacifists. We called 'em medics.
>
> Oh, one more point...
>
> They were guys who knew the difference between pacifism and cowardice.
Just as I'd hope there are posters who recognize sarcasm when they see it.
Got My Mind Right, Boss!
Where's Newt Gingrich?
Where's Dick Armey?
Where's all the other right wing chicken hawks?
Where's your hero and mentor, Rush Limbaugh?
Got My Mind Right, Boss!
Got My Mind Right, Boss!
bastard like Rush Limbaugh is some sort of Great American!
Right, little right wing fuckwit?
Got My Mind Right, Boss!
like your hero and mentor, Rush Limbaugh, eh?
Imagine being such a piece of shit that you admire a piece of shit
like Limbaugh!
At least a pacifist believes in something..
King Pineapple
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>
> more Democrats have served in the US armed forces - you know, ARMY, NAVY,
> AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO WAR.
Tell that to the families of the nearly 6000 reservist/national guard
members who were KILLED in the Vietnam conflict. Gosh, you're dense.
Next?
--
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"-
Dan Rather
King Pineapple
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>
> Bob Dole served honorably. Shrubya isn't fit to stand
> in the same room with a guy like Bob Dole.
>
> Come to think of it, if I had known that we'd have shrubya in office
today,
> I'd have voted for Dole, and for his re-election. I'd rather have eight
> years of Dole than four years of shrubbie.
Too late. You drones concluded in 1996 that Dole was "more evil" than
Clinton. The rest is history.
Cisco Kid
> John Fitzgerald Kennedy -- WWII PT-Boat Commander
> Jimmy Carter, Naval Academy graduate - seven years service as a Naval
> officer
Kennedy, unlike George Herbert Walker Bush (WWII Navy TBM Avenger bomber
pilot), saw to it his crew was rescued. No explanation what happened to
Bush's 2 crewmen when they were shot down. Only Bush survived and was
rescued.
Carter, unlike George Walker Bush (weekend warrior dropout), completed his
full obligation.
Cisco Kid
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> On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 00:53:01 GMT, "Cisco Kid" <ck...@attnet.net> wrote:
>
> >John Glenn was a
> >decorated WWII/Korea Marine fighter pilot, test pilot, astronaut and true
> >American legend.
>
>
> The other guys in the space program hated him.
Yes they did. Glenn was the Boy Scout of the the original Mercury
astronauts. While the other jocks were enjoying life in the fast lane as
celebrities and numerous transgressions with lots of young women, Glenn
routinely chastised them for their "infidelities". He obviously wasn't part
of the tailhook mentality.
Source: "The Right Stuff" by Tom Wolfe
Got My Mind Right, Boss!
TOO HONORABLE a man. Instead we needed a little snit like GWB
who would protect the Noble Corporations..
Cisco Kid
"Got My Mind Right, Boss!" <cool...@luke.com> wrote in message
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> Where's Dick Cheney?
>
> Where's Newt Gingrich?
>
> Where's Dick Armey?
>
> Where's all the other right wing chicken hawks?
>
> Where's your hero and mentor, Rush Limbaugh?
Don't forget my personal favorite - Jack Kemp, former GOP Congressman from
NY. He had a bad knee which kept him out of the service. Apparently it
wasn't bad enough to prevent him from playing 13 years in the NFL...
Cisco Kid
"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> DNC Idiot "PJE" <priv...@yahoo.com>stupidly wrote in message
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> >
> > more Democrats have served in the US armed forces - you know, ARMY,
NAVY,
> > AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO WAR.
>
> Tell that to the families of the nearly 6000 reservist/national guard
> members who were KILLED in the Vietnam conflict. Gosh, you're dense.
>
>
> Next?
Now tell us how many guardsmen were killed at Kent State?
Cisco Kid
> DNC Beavis "PJE" <priv...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Bob Dole served honorably. Shrubya isn't fit to stand
> > in the same room with a guy like Bob Dole.
> >
> > Come to think of it, if I had known that we'd have shrubya in office
> today,
> > I'd have voted for Dole, and for his re-election. I'd rather have eight
> > years of Dole than four years of shrubbie.
>
> Too late. You drones concluded in 1996 that Dole was "more evil" than
> Clinton. The rest is history.
No, just that we believed Clinton would indeed build that bridge to the 21st
Century. Then shrub burned it down.
Cisco Kid
> As a devout pacifist, I wholeheartedly support the right for these
GOPnesses
> to have dodged the draft.
I also have no problem with those who chose not to serve - as long as they
don't later turn around and tell us how patriotic they were to have verbally
supported the war and criticize the opposition for also not serving but
speaking out against Vietnam. Can you say hypocrite?
The most disgusting behavior is to join up then shirk your military
obligation. Then you parade around in your veteran's cap and tell them,
"I'm da man."
Alex
>
>"PJE" <priv...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> John Fitzgerald Kennedy -- WWII PT-Boat Commander
>> Jimmy Carter, Naval Academy graduate - seven years service as a Naval
>> officer
>
>Kennedy, unlike George Herbert Walker Bush (WWII Navy TBM Avenger bomber
>pilot), saw to it his crew was rescued. No explanation what happened to
>Bush's 2 crewmen when they were shot down. Only Bush survived and was
>rescued.
Wasn't there another Kennedy who actually died over the Channel, when flying what
was basically a large bomb (or at least an aircraft filled to the brim with
explosives) to France?
Alex
Keynes
>As a devout pacifist, I wholeheartedly support the right for these GOPnesses
>to have dodged the draft.
>
>
And now, chicken hawks that they are, they wave the flag
and bravely send the troops to battle.
Lott and Dubya ought to work out a cheerleader routine
for a send off.
Gimme a "G". Gimme an "O".
Gimme an "SUK". GImme a "KER".
GO!. GO!. GO!. SUCKERS!
D.G. Porter
That would have to have been Joe Jr., John's older brother.
And while we're on the subject of WWII heroes...
Remember how most of the people of this country of ignorant twits
demonized george McGovern in 1972?
McGovern was a real WWII hero who saw a lot more real action that that
fucking "dick" Nixxon.™
Ahhhh, but don't let facts get in the way, let's all rise for the flag
salute and sing "God Bless America"!!!
Fucking God damn, 40 years wasted and we're back to clueless square
number one...
Point
>..."PJE" <priv...@yahoo.com>... wrote:
>> more Democrats have served in the US armed forces - you know, ARMY, NAVY,
>> AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO WAR.
>
>Tell that to the families of the nearly 6000 reservist/national guard
>members who were KILLED in the Vietnam conflict. Gosh, you're dense.
Considering the overall fatalities and their sources,
Lordofruit just proved the statement of relative risk
to be accurate, but one can't expect more from
someone whose best likeness is on a box of
"Lucky Charms" ...
jan_49
"Rory" <ro...@hiway.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 03:25:21 GMT, "PJE" <priv...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Ultimately though, Clinton was willing to walk his talk. You may disagree
> >with him, but when push came to shove -- his behavior matched his
beliefs.
>
> So he believed it was okay to get blowjobs from his employees and
> then lie under oath about it. Ooooohhh, now THATs INTEGRITY.
>
> >It may seem strange, but that is the definition of INTEGRITY.
>
> If Clinton ever had an ounce of integrity, he would have resigned.
Huh? And cave to the obvious frenzy that started Nov. 3, 1992?
Hardly.
D.G. Porter
I remember "The McLaughlin Group" from November 22, 1992, and there they
were, predicting "a failed Presidency" and he wasn't even sworn in yet.
Then in March 1993, "Dick" Armey declared to Clinton's face that he and
the GOP was going to "ruin" him and make him a 1-termer.
These rightwing cocksuckers never got over him being elected and they
never will. That's why a braindead moron like Smirk can impress them.
Steve
> DNC Idiot "PJE" <priv...@yahoo.com>stupidly wrote in message
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> >
> > more Democrats have served in the US armed forces - you know, ARMY, NAVY,
> > AIR FORCE, MARINES - the ones who actually RISK GOING TO WAR.
>
> Tell that to the families of the nearly 6000 reservist/national guard
> members who were KILLED in the Vietnam conflict. Gosh, you're dense.
Just over 6000 died: 5,977 reservists and 101 National Guard members.
About 38% of draftees were sent to Vietnam. I don't know what percent
of reservists and National Guard members were sent.
jan_49
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Absolutely.
I was listening to a radio talk show the day after that election. Someone
had already brought up the "i" word (impeachment) and even discussed the "a"
word (assassination). Unfrickin' real.