JOHN MCCAIN'S ROLE IN THE USS FORRESTAL FIRE THAT LEFT 168 DEAD
Mike Roberts
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Date: Wednesday, 27 February 2008, 11:01 p.m.
"Now You Will Know The Rest Of The Story"
If This Doesn't Make Your Blood Boil You Are Not A True American!!!
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus he was responsible for the horrible
USS Forrestal fire In 1967.
Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire
case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor
switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or
accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In
McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni
rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fuel tank, knocked
the M-65 1000 lb. bomb off it's 500 lb. rated mount, and touched off the
explosions and massive fire.
The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration, along
with 167 of his fellow Forrestal shipmates (including those who died
later from wounds suffered).
'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog'
pilots. McCain was quickly (they were still counting the Forrestal dead)
transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be
immediately transferred).
Description: XA4D-1 Skyhawk BuNo 137812 experiencing a wet
start (note the pool of JP4 on the ground and the tongue of flame from
the tailpipe).
John McCain And The USS Forrestal Fire
http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
Go to www.YouTube.com & search… POW John McCain & Veterans
Against McCain…
The videos in this e-mail are only a few of the things the
Democrats will be using before the Nov. Election if McCain is the
Republican choice.
YouTube - USS Forrestal Mishap July 29, 1967
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I
YouTube - Actual Voice of Cap. John Beling USS Forrestal July
29, 1967 - Very short clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBF3ueElVWk&feature=related
YouTube - Memorial of The USS Forrestal Disaster July 29, 1967
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk3skCmW3VY&NR=1
YouTube - John McCain Losing His Cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related
YouTube - "McCain Says OK if US Stays in Iraq for 10,000 Years"
http://election.newsmax.com/mccain_iraqok/?s=al&promo_code=4270-1
John McCain Campaign Advisor Is A Mexican Official – Do Not
Believe McCain Is For Closed & Secure Borders!!! See for yourself
http://youtube.com/watch?v=e4b9y3RgUSo
YouTube - POW's Against McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhhvaIXA9A&NR=1
YouTube - POW's Say John McCain Is A Lying Skunk !!!!! HTS
020908 p2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7kEb6Osqc&NR=1
YouTube - "Songbird" McCain Blocks Efforts to Find MIA's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5dPwegqgDU&feature=related
YouTube - "Hanoi John" McCain Caught Lying About Iraq By Wolf
Blitzer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uji4h9mcq8I&NR=1
YouTube - "Songbird" McCain EXPOSED NEO CON Shill by Oliver North
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oGTSX66V_8&feature=related
YouTube - Big Bad John: "The Company I Keep"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqAOxflHPR0
YouTube - Get This Iraq War Charge Off My Bill
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BRulEGGaN5Y
Do you need more - This is only a tip of the Iceberg!!!
http://www.skyhawk.org/
http://www.skyhawk.org/5e/g137812/html/137812i.htm
David Moffitt
"Mike Roberts" <MR...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| JOHN MCCAIN'S ROLE IN THE USS FORRESTAL FIRE THAT LEFT 168 DEAD
%%%% The fear of McCain by the left is so thick you could cut it with a
knife. Be afraid be very afraid leftards!
Rules to be a Leftard
#1 Lying is OK
#2 Never admit you lie
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
#4 The environment is as fragile as a tulip
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
#6 Diversity is only skin deep
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
#11 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
lora...@cs.com
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> "Mike Roberts" <M...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:481DDB23...@Yahoo.com...
> | JOHN MCCAIN'S ROLE IN THE USS FORRESTAL FIRE THAT LEFT 168 DEAD
>
> %%%% The fear of McCain by the left is so thick you could cut it with a
> knife. Be afraid be very afraid leftards!
McCain is not an object of fear... but of mockery.
Republicans could have been smart and selected Ron Paul - who would
have done two significant things:
1) - Brought the republican party back to true american (for america)
values
2) - And would have pulled votes from all political parties - rather
than from the few remaining handfuls of frightened neocon sycophants
and mental cases.
David Moffitt
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%%%% ROTFLMAO! Ron Paul is a joke.
Remember…. Some people are a lot like slinkies…….. They are not really good
for anything, but…. they still bring a smile to your face when you push them
down a flight of stairs. “:o)
Phisher KIng
news:QeWdnWzjybXPQIDV...@earthlink.com:
Naw, nobody is afraid of McCain. The guy can hardly remember where he
left his car keys. By the time the election is in full swing he'll look
like a used kleenex. He'll be toast. Kinda like the guys he fried on the
Forrestal. God, I hope he picks somebody like Santorum for a running
mate! Or even Goofy Huckleberry. Don't forget that the Democrats are
going to swamp the House and Senate with elected officials too this go
around. Repugs are going to be out mopping floors and flipping burgers
like the rest of their constituents. Buh Bye....
>
>
Ralph
> Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire
> case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
> shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.
Spin it to blame Mccain why don't you?
> 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor
> switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or
> accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In
> McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni
> rocket from the rear F-4
How does that happen? I seriously doubt that would have done it.
> that punctured the Skyhawk's fuel tank, knocked
> the M-65 1000 lb. bomb off it's 500 lb. rated mount, and touched off the
> explosions and massive fire.
That's the carrier group where the Navy sends all their screw-ups, which
is how you get a 1000 lb bomb on a 500 lb mount. They probably hooked up
the rocket wrong.
The only sailors trained in fire fighting were killed early in the fire.
Sailors who took their place using water hoses to fight the fire were
blowing away the fire retardant foam spread by others trying to fight
it, which is why it took so long to put it out.
Today all US sailors are trained in fire fighting today.
> 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog'
> pilots.
If it's a common then it was the fault of the captain for allowing it.
Mike Roberts
> Mike Roberts <MR...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire
>> case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
>> shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.
>
> Spin it to blame Mccain why don't you?
>
No spin needed when facts speak themselves, my friend.
David Moffitt
"Phisher KIng" <locker2@thebusstartion> wrote in message
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%%%% Lame ad-hominem noted. Time will tell because we have many more months
of the left destroying their party. Obama lama dingdong and Hitlery are
killing the party wil all of the mud slinging! ":o)
Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
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| >
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David Moffitt
"Ralph" <nos...@noway.net> wrote in message
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| Mike Roberts <MR...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
|
| > Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire
| > case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
| > shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.
|
| Spin it to blame Mccain why don't you?
|
| > 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor
| > switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or
| > accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In
| > McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni
| > rocket from the rear F-4
|
| How does that happen? I seriously doubt that would have done it.
%%%% Aircraft are not parked where they will be in the exhaust of one in
front of them. They are parked where their exhaust is pointed off of the
ship.
|
| > that punctured the Skyhawk's fuel tank, knocked
| > the M-65 1000 lb. bomb off it's 500 lb. rated mount, and touched off the
| > explosions and massive fire.
|
| That's the carrier group where the Navy sends all their screw-ups, which
| is how you get a 1000 lb bomb on a 500 lb mount. They probably hooked up
| the rocket wrong.
%%%% You can only put a 1,000 pound bomb on a rack designed for that
specific bomb. Bomb racks are not one size fits all.
|
| The only sailors trained in fire fighting were killed early in the fire.
| Sailors who took their place using water hoses to fight the fire were
| blowing away the fire retardant foam spread by others trying to fight
| it, which is why it took so long to put it out.
%%%% Very true.
|
| Today all US sailors are trained in fire fighting today.
|
| > 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog'
| > pilots.
|
| If it's a common then it was the fault of the captain for allowing it.
%%%% Wet starts are not a common practice by any pilot "hot dog" or not.
They are actually hard to initiate and tend to destroy the engines. If a wet
start happens it is due to electrical and mechanical failures in the engine.
a "wet start" is caused by either an improperly aligned fuel selector or the
ignitor failing. I seriously doubt that Mikey has ever worked on a jet
engine and accepts without question leftard propaganda.
David Moffitt
"Mike Roberts" <MR...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
%%%% It's just another old wives tale that has been going around for years.
All one need to do is watch the full tape of what happened.
Just ask your self: How could he cook off a missle on the other side of the
fantail when his exhaust is pointed off the opposite side of the ship?
Matt
wrote:
> |
> | > Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire
> | > case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
> | > shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.
> |
> | Spin it to blame Mccain why don't you?
> |
> | > 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor
> | > switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or
> | > accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In
> | > McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni
> | > rocket from the rear F-4
> |
> | How does that happen? I seriously doubt that would have done it.
>
> %%%% Aircraft are not parked where they will be in the exhaust of one in
> front of them. They are parked where their exhaust is pointed off of the
> ship.
This has NEVER happened? If McCain actually killed people, he's a
terrorist
and must be executed and then sentenced to Gitmo and finally tried.
That's
the American way. You backed it, David.
By the way, you can't prove it didn't happen. Try.
Matt
Phisher KIng
Flop sweat noted. With grandpa McBush running as a Georgie clone, and the
huge amount of negative background that's never been brought to public
scrutiny about Johnny boy, his chances will start to dwindle the day he's
given the official nomination. That is if he doesn't topple over from
exhaustion before then. I see where another long held repuglican seat in
Louisiana just went to a Democrat. I think repugs are going to have to
go on the endangered spieces list here soon.
Nostrafuckingdamus
David Moffitt
"Matt" <mattt...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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Matt
%%%% ROTFLMAO! Silly child you have swallowed the leftard propaganda and
never watched the film of the accident. Do a Google search: Film of the fire
on USS Forrestal and tell us where the ass end of McCain's A4 is pointed.
McCain's tail was pointed off the side of the ship. How could his jet blast
set off a rocket all the way across the flight deck with it's ass pointed to
the ocean also?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6l1rwQJjYg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVXRng2VCc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuTq6d51JfY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvZH7wtzY_Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK7RGpSlJ7Y&feature=related
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale
and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or
hanged."---- PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Matt
wrote:
> "Matt" <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
As usual, you ignored the question.
This has NEVER happened? Can you prove this?
Matt
David Moffitt
This has NEVER happened?
%%%% According to the Navy it was the first time that a rocket was launched
on an aircraft carrier flight deck from an electrical surge caused by a
ground power unit aka "huffer".
Can you prove this?
%%%% It was in the links you snipped. ":o)
Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
Matt
Patriot Games
<dmof...@weaselstomping.org> wrote:
>Rules to be a Leftard
>#1 Lying is OK
>#2 Never admit you lie
>#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
>#4 The environment is as fragile as a tulip
>#5 Never miss a chance to hate
>#6 Diversity is only skin deep
>#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
>#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
>#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
>#11 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!!!
Patriot Games
wrote:
>No spin needed when facts speak themselves, my friend.
As a PROVEN LIAR your UNCITED facts are actually LIES.
Patriot Games
wrote:
>JOHN MCCAIN'S ROLE IN THE USS FORRESTAL FIRE THAT LEFT 168 DEAD
As a PROVEN LIAR you are irrelevant:
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike 'The Fool' Roberts" <MR...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4818E057...@Yahoo.com...
>> Old Slob John McPig gets excited, again.
>> http://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/archive/castro/1961/06/26/gagarin-hug.jpg
>
> That's a photo of Fidel Castro and the Russian astronaut, Yuri Gagarin.
Patriot Games
wrote:
"At 10:52 A.M. on July 29, the second launch was being readied when a
Zuni rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom parked on the
starboard side of the flight deck aft of the island. The missile
streaked across the deck into a 400 gallon belly fuel tank on a
parked A-4D Skyhawk. The ruptured tank spew highly flammable JP-5
fuel onto the deck which ignited spreading flames over the flight deck
under other fully loaded aircraft ready for launch."
http://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page13.htm
Lt. Cmdr. John S. McCain III said later he heard a "whooshy" sound
then a "low-order explosion" in front of him. Suddenly, two A-4s ahead
of his plane were engulfed in flaming jet fuel — JP-5 — spewed from
them. A bomb dropped to the deck and rolled about six feet and came to
rest in a pool of burning fuel.
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv59-forrestal/forrestal-fire.html
On July 29, 1967, during preparation for another strike, a Zuni rocket
misfired, knocking off an external tank on another aircraft. Fuel from
the leaking tank caught fire creating a massive conflagration that
burned for hours, killing 134, injuring 161 and costing the Navy $72
million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Forrestal
At 10:52 AM a 5" ZUNI rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom
parked on the starboard side of the ship and pointed inboard. The
rocket impacted an armed A-4 Skyhawk (piloted by then-LCDR, now
Senator, John McCain) parked on the port side. The rocket's impact
dislodged and ruptured the Skyhawk's 400-gallon external fuel tank and
ignited the jet fuel which poured out. A 1000-pound bomb also fell to
the deck, into the spreading pool of flaming jet fuel. Within 90
seconds the bomb "cooked off" and detonated. That explosion resulted
in a chain reaction as the closely-packed aircraft were first engulfed
in and then contributed to a massive fire with repeated high-order
bomb detonations. The ship's "plat" cameras, mounted on the island and
embedded in the deck itself, provided ample video coverage of the
initial accident and the subsequent catastrophe.
http://www.virtualwall.org/units/forrestal.htm
Mike Roberts
David Moffitt
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
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| On Sun, 04 May 2008 08:49:55 -0700, Mike Roberts <MR...@Yahoo.com>
| wrote:
| >JOHN MCCAIN'S ROLE IN THE USS FORRESTAL FIRE THAT LEFT 168 DEAD
|
| "At 10:52 A.M. on July 29, the second launch was being readied when a
| Zuni rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom parked on the
| starboard side of the flight deck aft of the island. The missile
| streaked across the deck into a 400 gallon belly fuel tank on a
| parked A-4D Skyhawk. The ruptured tank spew highly flammable JP-5
| fuel onto the deck which ignited spreading flames over the flight deck
| under other fully loaded aircraft ready for launch."
| http://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page13.htm
|
| Lt. Cmdr. John S. McCain III said later he heard a "whooshy" sound
| then a "low-order explosion" in front of him. Suddenly, two A-4s ahead
| them. A bomb dropped to the deck and rolled about six feet and came to
| rest in a pool of burning fuel.
|
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv59-forrestal/forrestal-fire.html
|
| On July 29, 1967, during preparation for another strike, a Zuni rocket
| misfired, knocking off an external tank on another aircraft. Fuel from
| the leaking tank caught fire creating a massive conflagration that
| burned for hours, killing 134, injuring 161 and costing the Navy $72
| million.
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Forrestal
|
| At 10:52 AM a 5" ZUNI rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom
| parked on the starboard side of the ship and pointed inboard. The
| rocket impacted an armed A-4 Skyhawk (piloted by then-LCDR, now
| Senator, John McCain) parked on the port side. The rocket's impact
| dislodged and ruptured the Skyhawk's 400-gallon external fuel tank and
| ignited the jet fuel which poured out. A 1000-pound bomb also fell to
| the deck, into the spreading pool of flaming jet fuel. Within 90
| seconds the bomb "cooked off" and detonated. That explosion resulted
| in a chain reaction as the closely-packed aircraft were first engulfed
| in and then contributed to a massive fire with repeated high-order
| bomb detonations. The ship's "plat" cameras, mounted on the island and
| embedded in the deck itself, provided ample video coverage of the
| initial accident and the subsequent catastrophe.
| http://www.virtualwall.org/units/forrestal.htm
%%%% You are confusing the leftards with truth and indisputable facts
Patriot.
Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves
responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility.
Sigmund Freud
Mike Roberts
Posted By: RayelansMailbag <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 27 February 2008, 11:01 p.m.
"Now You Will Know The Rest Of The Story"
If This Doesn't Make Your Blood Boil You Are Not A True American!!!
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus he was responsible for the horrible
USS Forrestal fire In 1967.
Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire
case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to
shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor
switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or
accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In
McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni
rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fuel tank, knocked
the M-65 1000 lb. bomb off it's 500 lb. rated mount, and touched off the
explosions and massive fire.
The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration, along
with 167 of his fellow Forrestal shipmates (including those who died
later from wounds suffered).
'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog'
Mike Roberts
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Jerry Okamura
"David Moffitt" <dmof...@weaselstomping.org> wrote in message
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>
> <lora...@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:968bf645-ed86-4497...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 4, 8:58 am, "David Moffitt" <dmoff...@weaselstomping.org>
> wrote:
>> "Mike Roberts" <M...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:481DDB23...@Yahoo.com...
>> | JOHN MCCAIN'S ROLE IN THE USS FORRESTAL FIRE THAT LEFT 168 DEAD
>>
>> %%%% The fear of McCain by the left is so thick you could cut it with a
>> knife. Be afraid be very afraid leftards!
>
> McCain is not an object of fear... but of mockery.
>
the I would say he is the subject of mockery. But since the current polls
seem to indicate he is competitive, I would not say he should be "mocked",
but "feared" is you are a democrat.
Doug Reese
> Ralph wrote:
You would know a facxt if it hit you upside the head.
The story about McCain being responsible for the Forrestall tragedy is
pure unadulterated bullshit.
Doug Reese