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You know something is fishy when 67.000,000 New Yorkers saw a "plane" hit the tower

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Crickets

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Jul 4, 2012, 9:50:54 AM7/4/12
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SEARCH (CIA talking point)
"I know people who saw the second plane hit with their own eyes"

http://www.bing.com/searchq=I+know+people+who+saw+the+second+plane+hit+with+their+own+eyes.&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC

67,000,000 Hits! WOW! Thats 134,000,000 eyeballs!

Going in Search of Planes in NYC

“I Saw The Plane… I Heard The Plane…”
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=60

...The words “plane jet airplane aircraft” were found in 426 accounts,
1770 times. The final account Sample Size was used for the “Witnesses
to a plane” study was 291. A few of those who simply described seeing
the impacts on TV were left out, but some were included – the main
focus of the study was on those who were close to where the 2nd impact
happened.

16 witnesses reported seeing the 1st plane before impact and 16
witnesses reported hearing the 1st plane before impact but only 1
Witness reported clearly seeing and hearing plane 1 before impact.

I managed to establish that at least 96 witnesses were near the WTC
(with ½ a mile) at time of 2nd impact and a further 21 witnesses were
inside one of the WTC buildings at the time of the 2nd impact. This
gave a total of 117 witnesses who were near or the Inside WTC
buildings at the time of 2nd impact.

•Only 19 of the witnesses near the WTC reported actually seeing plane
2 before impact and, as a percentage of total number near the WTC,
this was 20%.

•Only 20 of the witnesses near the WTC reported actually hearing plane
2 before impact and as a percentage of total number near the WTC, this
was 21%.

•Only 8 of the witnesses near the WTC reported actually seeing and
hearing plane 2 before impact and as a percentage of total number near
the WTC, this was 8.3%.

•Of those witnesses inside one of the WTC buildings at the time of the
2nd impact, only 2 reported hearing the plane (none saw it). As a
percentage of the total of those inside WTC, this was 9.5%.

•There were 117 witnesses inside or near the WTC and 291 witnesses in
the total sample I used. The percentages given below, then, are
therefore based on the number 291 – 117 giving a total of 174.

•There were 33 witnesses who were further than ½ mile from the WTC
Complex and reported seeing plane 2 before impact. As a percentage of
the total of those who were further than ½ mile from WTC Complex, this
was 19%.

•There were 2 witnesses who were further than ½ mile from the WTC
Complex and reported hearing plane 2 before impact. As a percentage
of the total of those who were further than ½ mile from WTC Complex,
this was 1.1%.

“I Wasn’t Initially Sure it Was A Plane”
Quite a few witnesses were not at all sure that large planes had been
responsible for the damage at the WTC. Accounts where they said “I
didn’t realize it was a plane at the time” or “I only realized later
it was a plane” were studied. Due to the different ways witnesses
described being unsure about the true nature of the crash, it was
difficult to pick out keywords to find these accounts. (Most of these
accounts were discovered in reading them for other parts of this
study.) Time limitations may have prevented finding them all.

A number of witnesses reported that they didn’t realize that the
second impact was that of a plane – many of them “found out later”.
This is in direct contradiction to those who reported to seeing plane
parts, engine parts and landing gear. For example, from the account
of Patricia Ondrovic (File No: 9110048):

I saw a police captain that I knew, and he came out to me. He looked
absolutely terrified, he was shaking, he was pale, he was sweating. I
looked at him, I said what's wrong? He said there's another plane
headed our way, and they just blew up the Pentagon. I said, another
plane? What are you talking about? I hadn't realized that planes had
hit this, I thought they just set bombs off. I didn't realize when I
got there that planes hit it. I said, what do you mean another plane?
He said two planes hit the World Trade Center. So I'm thinking a
little Cessena. How can a little Cessena do all that damage? He said
no, 757s. I said big things? See I was there for about 25 minutes
before I knew that planes had crashed into this.

Similarly, the account of EMT David Timothy (File No. 9110156)
expressed some doubt that he saw a plane.

The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up,
and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the
tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up,
I heard ‘boom’. I'm sorry, the north tower was the first one. The
south tower then got hit when we were right there.

Perhaps even more significant was where 2 witnesses who were standing
next to each other, initially, did not agree upon the idea of a plane
crash. From the account of Scott Holowach (File No: 9110114)

At that time Chief Ganci was behind me and he thought there was
another explosion in the north tower and that's when I turned around
and said Chief, listen, there is a second plane that hit the other
tower. He was like no no no no, we have another explosion. I said no,
Chief, I witnessed it. I watched the plane hit the other tower. He is
like are you sure. I said Chief, I'm 100 hundred percent positive I
watched the second plane hit the other tower.

There was some additional confusion and rumours circulating about the
nature of any planes involved. From the account of Anthony Bartolomey
(File No: 9110013)

Q. When you arrived there, did any civilians report anything to you?

A. Yes. Numerous civilians were telling me that a plane had hit the
building. There were discrepancies as to the type of plane. Some were
saying it was a Cessna or Leer jet type, a small jet plane. Some said
it was a large passenger plane. One person actually said that it was
like a military style plane that actually shot missiles into the
building.

There are other instances of this type of confusion. The account of
Peter Fallucca (File No: 9110388) mentions a “fireball or something”
and a missile attack as witnessed by a police officer:

It was a big fireball or something from the plane I guess, came from
across the street in front of our rig, and as we get out of the rig,
there's a cop, city police officer, in the street. He's telling us,
"I'm getting out of here. I just saw a rocket." He said he saw it come
off the Woolworth Building and hit the tower.

NEMO

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Jul 4, 2012, 11:15:44 AM7/4/12
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''You know something is fishy ''

Yeah, your skanky arsehole!

NEMO

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Jul 4, 2012, 11:19:58 AM7/4/12
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Unseen 9/11 Footage of Second Plane Hitting Tower - YouTube






► 1:06► 1:06

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iGYVh7HZo86 May 2007 - 1 min - Uploaded by
DaMoose06
He leaves the room, unknowingly that a second plane is about
to ... ... You need Adobe Flash Player to ...














911 second plane crash - two camera views - World Trade Centers ...






► 1:37► 1:37

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9-11 Plane Crash (Super Angle) - YouTube






► 0:20► 0:20

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Everyone knows a plane crash wouldn't have caused the towers to melt
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Rare Amateur 911 Video Footage News 911 WTC Twin Towers 1,2 ...






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joeturn

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Jul 4, 2012, 2:42:44 PM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 9:50 am, Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>                   SEARCH  (CIA talking point)
> "I know people who saw the second plane hit with their own eyes"
>
> http://www.bing.com/searchq=I+know+people+who+saw+the+second+plane+hi...
>
>      67,000,000 Hits!   WOW!     Thats 134,000,000 eyeballs!
>
>                    Going in Search of Planes in NYC
>
> “I Saw The Plane… I Heard The Plane…”http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task...
Only on TV did anyone see a plane and that plane was a computer
generated graphic.

The motor that was found at the corner of Murrey and Church street was
a plant,put there hours before the event was schedualled to take
place. The funny thing is it was not an engine from a 767 passenger
plane it was from a 737.

No 737s were allegedly hijacked nor crashed that day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJU55FzcM2A&feature=plcp&context=C4fbf44eVDvjVQa1PpcFOqXLs6wJUxl-mmcOBUOqAIO7F88Rf9nMk=

george152

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Jul 4, 2012, 4:11:34 PM7/4/12
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joeturn wrote:

> Only on TV did anyone see a plane and that plane was a computer
> generated graphic.
>
> The motor that was found at the corner of Murrey and Church street was
> a plant,put there hours before the event was schedualled to take
> place. The funny thing is it was not an engine from a 767 passenger
> plane it was from a 737.

Still lying eh....

NEMO

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Jul 4, 2012, 4:37:08 PM7/4/12
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asswipe joeturn, do you hear ''Bongo'' sounds in your head?

"The drums, the drums, they're driving me crazy!"

First.Post

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Jul 4, 2012, 4:42:30 PM7/4/12
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NEMO <brianlam...@excite.com> wrote in news:27e9e343-2795-4828-8e4f-
0d5317...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:

> asswipe joeturn, do you hear ''Bongo'' sounds in your head?
>
> "The drums, the drums, they're driving me crazy!"
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeoLhLdqnQ

joeturn

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Jul 5, 2012, 2:30:38 AM7/5/12
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joeturn

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Jul 5, 2012, 2:33:45 AM7/5/12
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On Jul 4, 4:42 pm, "First.Post" <OccupierDumberThanD...@invalid.org>
wrote:
> NEMO <brianlambsbig...@excite.com> wrote in news:27e9e343-2795-4828-8e4f-
> 0d53173a7...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
>
> > asswipe joeturn, do you hear ''Bongo'' sounds in your head?
>
> > "The drums, the drums, they're driving me crazy!"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeoLhLdqnQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vacqBaj9UnM&feature=related

NEMO

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Jul 5, 2012, 4:22:02 AM7/5/12
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So, asswipe joeturn, you do hear ''Bongo'' sounds in your head!

"The drums, the drums, they're driving me crazy!"

joeturn

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Jul 5, 2012, 5:30:40 AM7/5/12
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On Jul 5, 4:22 am, NEMO <brianlambsbig...@excite.com> wrote:
> So, asswipe joeturn,  you do hear ''Bongo'' sounds in your head!
>
> "The drums, the drums, they're driving me crazy!"
>
> Unseen 9/11 Footage of Second Plane Hitting Tower - YouTube
>
> ► 1:06► 1:06
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iGYVh7HZo86May 2007 - 1 min - Uploaded by
> DaMoose06
> He leaves the room, unknowingly that a second plane is about
> to ... ... You need Adobe Flash Player to ...
>
> 911 second plane crash - two camera views - World Trade Centers ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pmiXinq2O0

joeturn

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Jul 5, 2012, 5:49:26 AM7/5/12
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On Jul 5, 4:22 am, NEMO <brainlimpdick...@excite.com> wrote:
> So, asswipe joeturn,  you do hear ''Bongo'' sounds in your head!
>
> "The drums, the drums, they're driving me crazy!"
>
> Unseen 9/11 Footage of Second Plane Hitting Tower - YouTube
>
> ► 1:06► 1:06
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iGYVh7HZo86May 2007 - 1 min - Uploaded by
> DaMoose06
> He leaves the room, unknowingly that a second plane is about
> to ... ... You need Adobe Flash Player to ...
>
> 911 second plane crash - two camera views - World Trade Centers ...

brain

Live TV feed shows Explorer has it on radar,still in the air flying
after it supposedly struck tower 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdXGSefI6pM&feature=player_embedded

joeturn

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Jul 5, 2012, 5:44:47 AM7/5/12
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On Jul 5, 4:22 am, NEMO <brianlambsbig...@excite.com> wrote:
> So, asswipe joeturn,  you do hear ''Bongo'' sounds in your head!
>
> "The drums, the drums, they're driving me crazy!"
>
> Unseen 9/11 Footage of Second Plane Hitting Tower - YouTube
>
> ► 1:06► 1:06
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iGYVh7HZo86May 2007 - 1 min - Uploaded by
> DaMoose06
> He leaves the room, unknowingly that a second plane is about
> to ... ... You need Adobe Flash Player to ...
>
> 911 second plane crash - two camera views - World Trade Centers ...

Nemo Flight 175 was shown still airborne after tower 2 was supposedly
struck by it!

Explorer shows it in the air 10 minutes after impact on live tv feed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdXGSefI6pM&feature=player_embedded

Crickets

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Jul 5, 2012, 7:14:25 AM7/5/12
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There were NO PLANES.

There were NO PASSENGERS.

There were NO MUSLIMS.

The world's top scientists have proven:

9-11 was a military-media black op.

Anybody that says otherwise is a God Damned Liar.

################################

The Vicsim Report
http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims.htm

The 9/11 Memorial Scams
http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims_photo-analyses.htm

Hottest new documentation about the 911 Media Hoax
http://www.911hoax.com/911_hoax_documentation_hottest.asp


I got a secret
Can you keep it?
Swear this one you'll save
Better lock it, in your pocket
Taking this one to the grave
If I show you then I know you
Won't tell what Shack said
That the 'victims' never lived
Before they were dead


911 Honor the Vicsims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNwAxJ92vlE

If it wasn't true, libel lawsuits would be raining down on Simon
Shack like drones rain down on Muslims in Pakistan.


CNN - THE MOST TRUSTED NAME IN FALSE-FLAG TERRORISM.

CNN's BARBARA OLSON - 9/11 FRAUD?
Is Lady Booth Really Barbara Olson with Plastic Surgery?
http://letsrollforums.com/barbara-olson-9-11-t20525.html


Nearly 3,000 victims of 9/11 don’t show up as dead in Social Security
records
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/jul/09/Social-Security-Administra...


WASHINGTON — A New York congresswoman who represents Manhattan wants
answers to why nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 terrorists attacks
weren’t reported in the Social Security Administration’s official
list of deceased Americans.


Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., said her staff started making inquiries
after the errors in the federal Death Master File (DMF) were detected
by Scripps Howard News Service. The file is a public record intended
to protect families of the deceased from identity theft and other
types of fraud.


“While nearly 3,000 individuals were killed on Sept. 11th, the list
does not show an increase in numbers from the typical DMF daily
average,” Maloney said. “A sampling of those names did not yield any
matches in the DMF and confirms their apparent absence.”


She said her staff has contacted the Social Security Administration,
the New York State Department of Health and the New York City
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, only to receive “conflicting
answers as to why there is a lack of reporting on this matter.”


So Maloney is asking Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue and
the public health commissioners for the state of New York and New
York City, jointly, to account for the reporting error.


“Would you explain why individuals killed on 9/11 would be missing
from the DMF?” Maloney asked in her letters.


__ Contact reporter Thomas Hargrove at hargro...@shns.com.


Tuesday, July 12, 2011
FAKE DEATHS ON 9 11
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/07/fake-deaths-on-9-11.html


A New York congresswoman, Carolyn Maloney, wants answers to why
nearly 3,000 victims of the 9/11 attacks weren't reported in the
Social Security Administration’s official list of deceased Americans.


Nearly 3000 victims of 9/11 don't show up as dead.


Jude Larson and his wife Natalie, who were reported to have died on
9/11 in one of the aircraft that hit the World Trade Center, are
found to be still alive. (American Journalism Review, 11/2001)


"The names of about 40 people listed on the toll of World Trade
Center dead are being removed because authorities cannot confirm
their
deaths or even their existences, a city official said." (9 - 11 DEATH
TOLL DROPS AS FAKE NAMES FOUND)


"Sanae Zahani, a 20-year-old woman from Morocco, gained national
attention for the search for her sister who, so she said, had been
working in a bond-trading firm inside the World Trade Center.


"She even told her story on the Rosie O'Donnell show.


"But Zahani never had a sister who lived in New York. Zahani
disappeared when this awkward flaw in her story was
discovered." (Phony 9/11 Deaths)


The 9/11 Memorials listing the alleged victims are essentially
computer databases of fictitious identities. (http://
www.septemberclues.info/vicsims_photo-analyses.htm)


HERE LIES THE HEAD OF THE NINE ELEVEN SNAKE

ALL THE REST IS TAIL

---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­­-----

...MEDIA:

CBS:
Laurence A. Tisch, CEO -- CFR
Roswell Gilpatric -- CFR
James Houghton -- CFR, TC
Henry Schacht -- CFR, TC
Dan Rather -- CFR
Richard Hottelet -- CFR
Frank Stanton -- CFR


NBC/RCA:
John F. Welch, CEO -- CFR
Jane Pfeiffer -- CFR
Lester Crystal -- CFR, TC
R.W. Sonnenfeidt -- CFR, TC
John Petty -- CFR
Tom Brokaw -- CFR
David Brinkley -- CFR
John Chancellor -- CFR
Marvin Kalb -- CFR
Irving R. Levine -- CFR
Herbert Schlosser -- CFR
Peter G. Peterson -- CFR
John Sawhill -- CFR


ABC:
Thomas S. Murphy, CEO -- CFR
Barbara Walters -- CFR
John Connor -- CFR
Diane Sawyer -- CFR
John Scall -- CFR


Public Broadcast Service:
Robert Mcneil -- CFR
Jim Lehrer -- CFR
C. Hunter-Gault -- CFR
Hodding Carter III -- CFR
Daniel Schorr -- CFR


Associated Press:
Stanley Swinton -- CFR
Harold Anderson -- CFR
Katharine Graham -- CFR, TC


Reuters:
Michael Posner -- CFR
Baltimore Sun:
Henry Trewhitt -- CFR


Washington Times:
Arnaud De Borchgrave -- CFR


Children's TV Workshop (Sesame Street):
Joan Ganz Cooney, Pres. -- CFR


Cable News Network:
W. Thomas Johnson, Pres. -- TC
Daniel Schorr -- CFR


U.S. News & World Report:
David Gergen -- TC


New York Times Co.:
Richard Gelb -- CFR
William Scranton -- CFR, TC
John F. Akers, Dir. -- CFR
Louis V. Gerstner, Jr., Dir. -- CFR
George B. Munroe, Dir. -- CFR
Donald M. Stewart, Dir. -- CFR
Cyrus R. Vance, Dir. -- CFR
A.M. Rosenthal -- CFR
Seymour Topping -- CFR
James Greenfield -- CFR
Max Frankel -- CFR
Jack Rosenthal -- CFR
John Oakes -- CFR
Harrison Salisbury -- CFR
H.L. Smith -- CFR
Steven Rattner -- CFR
Richard Burt -- CFR
Flora Lewis -- CFR

Time, Inc.:
Ralph Davidson -- CFR
Donal M. Wilson -- CFR
Henry Grunwald -- CFR
Alexander Heard -- CFR
Sol Linowitz -- CFR
Thomas Watson, Jr. -- CFR
Strobe Talbott -- CFR


Newsweek/Washington Post:
Katharine Graham -- CFR
N. Deb. Katzenbach -- CFR
Robert Christopher -- CFR
Osborne Elliot -- CFR
Phillip Geyelin -- CFR
Murry Marder -- CFR
Maynard Parker -- CFR
George Will -- CFR, TC
Robert Kaiser -- CFR
Meg Greenfield -- CFR
Walter Pincus -- CFR
Murray Gart -- CFR
Peter Osnos -- CFR
Don Oberdorfer -- CFR


Dow Jones & Co (Wall Street Journal):
Richard Wood -- CFR
Robert Bartley -- CFR, TC
Karen House -- CFR


National Review:
Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. -- CFR


Readers Digest:
George V. Grune, CEO -- CFR
William G. Bowen, Dir. -- CFR


Syndicated Columnists
Geogia Anne Geyer -- CFR
Ben J. Wattenberg -- CFR


First. Post

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Crickets <bongb...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
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>
>
> There were NO PLANES.
>
> There were NO PASSENGERS.
>
> There were NO MUSLIMS.
>
> The world's top scientists have proven:
>
> 9-11 was a military-media black op.
>
> Anybody that says otherwise is a God Damned Liar.
>

Anyone parroting your crazy assed conspiracy theories is a goddamned idiot.

Crickets

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On Jul 5, 5:49 am, "First. Post" <OccupiersDumberThanD...@invalid.com>
wrote:
Why do Jews believe "19 terrorists" do not constitute a "conspiracy?"

Are Jews that stupid or are you all God Damn Mother Fucking Liars?

==== From the public archive =====

The 9-11 "no passengers" theory fits comfortably into the 9-11 "no
planes"
theory, with plenty of leg-room and overhead storage space.


Plane-Huggers

If the DEW and NO PLANES theories were true,
What would you expect the government to do?
They'd flood the 'Net with spooks,
Calling no-planers kooks,
While the perp-traitors stick together like glue.


The following method of persuasion is used regularly by teams of
spooks on the Net, Madison Avenue, and propagandists of all stripes:


The Bandwagon Effect

"We all think that way.
Don't bother asking why.
All we need say
Is we know that it's true.
What's the matter with you?
Consensus doesn't lie.
Now give it another try,
And make your thinking correct."

That's the bandwagon effect.

DC Dave


===============================


I did a search on "no-planes theory is disinformation to discredit
truth movement," and found these spooks-of-a-feather flocking
together. They're all protecting "The Head Of The 9-11 Snake," the
ethnic television network owners.


by Fintan Dunne, BreakForNews.cia


Just do it!
http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249


Slamming a plane into the tower is a piece of cake.


So why bother faking it, when you can just do it?


The 'no planes' theory looks more like a psyop smear designed
to make 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" look like fools. I don't buy it.


(Bongblaster:)
Stupid is as stupid does; even Forest Gump knows that. No one can
make Fintan Dunne look like a fool but Fintan Dunne.


=================================


by Mike Rivero, Whatreallyhappened.cia


The Plane That Crashed Into the Pentagon
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ppfinal.html


Right now, government shills are working hard to trick web sites into
running the claim that a passenger jet did not really hit the
Pentagon.


This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the
intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to
discredit it. ...


At some point in the near future, photographs, or video will be
"discovered" clearly showing the impact, and the mainstream media
will
have a field day ridiculing those "kooky Internet web sites" and
their
"silly conspiracy theories", all based on a silly theory the
government is itself planting on the web.


(Bongblaster:) I'm still waiting to see a picture of a plane hitting
the Pentagon ... tic toc, tic toc ...


===============================


by Alex Jones of Prison Planet.cia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9C5arMsFlE


...That said, I noticed day 1, that the no-planers for tower 1 & 2
and
that the space beamers would viciously attack anyone who wouldn’t
immediately agree with them and scream and yell at them and scream
and
yell at me – and try to bully me and others - and then viciously try
to discredit the key researchers that were getting things ready for
peer review ...


Alex Jones Reacts To No-Planers On The Howard Stern Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=VuIo5zGFZJw


(Bongblaster:) AJ's body language indicates he is *highly* irritated
by the no planes theory. It seems to strike a nerve with all the
spooks.


======================================


(Bongblaster:)
Why did 9-11 skeptics follow the "Pied Piper of Thermite" like little
children running after the ice cream truck? Is there an ADULT in the
house?


"You believe that easily which you hope for earnestly."
--Terence


by Steven Jones
Scholars for 9-11 Truth and *Justice*
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t...


...As of this date the [Scholars for 911Truth] web site continues to
promote assertions which [are] unsupported by the evidence (ray-beams
from space caused the demolitions, mini-nukes were used in the WTC
towers, real commercial jets did not hit the WTC towers, etc.).


We feel that the promotion of these ideas functions to distract from
and discredit much of the other basic strong material challenging the
official story of 9/11 which already exists - the stand down, the war
games, the insider trading, the many strong points of evidence on the
demolitions, etc.”


(Bongblaster:)
Professor Jones' 9-11 theory is incredibly improbable: that Bush and
the neocons rigged WTC 1, 2 and 7 for controlled demolition; HOWEVER,
19 Muslims hijacked planes and flew them into the very buildings that
the government rigged to explode.


What are the odds of that happening? One in a number so large it
would have to be expressed in exponential form. According to
Jones: *somebody* hit the terror-trifecta on 9-11-01.


Either the neocons, who rigged the exact same buildings that
terrorists flew planes into - OR - the suicide terrorists, who flew
planes into the only buildings in the United States that were
secretly
rigged to explode. Somebody got lucky!


It is immensely more probable that Professor Jones is a plane-hugging
disinformation artist. His "thermite in the WTC dust" fiasco has
been
exposed as a spook-created rabbit trail designed to lead people away
from that awful (DEW) theory government propagandists hate so much.


http://911thermitefree.blogspot.com/


====================================


by John Doraemi
Crimes of the State
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/07/911-b-s-movement.html


No planes hit the WORLD TRADE CENTER???


...Of all the preposterous garbage I have come across, this one takes
the feces. On its face, with very little effort or time, this
senselessness is debunked in several ways. If you see the term "TV
Fakery", get out, click onward, make a hasty lunge for saner
pastures.
You'll thank me later.


The "directed energy weapons" is the second most idiotic "theory"
I've
heard yet. It takes more time and effort to properly debunk[9], and
its proponents couch it in pseudo-scientific jargon in order to fool
the average reader. It's still nonsense and demonstrably so.


How many anonymous internet posters are there pushing this pap? The
crew is highly active and well represented on message boards, but how
many unique and different individuals does it take to create a
disruptive presence?


I think we are witnessing a small number of highly active operatives
who get off on mindfucking the gullible public. I'd prefer not to
name
them all here, but you'll see them around, and smile. ...


(Bongblaster:) I think we are witnessing a LARGE number of highly
active operatives who get paid off for mindfucking the gullible
public. I'd prefer to name them all here, but I'm getting kind of
sleepy now.


BIRTH OF THE "PLANE" MYTH September Clues part D
http://letsrollforums.com/9-11-plane-witness-t22697.html?t=22697


DEATH OF THE "PLANE" MYTH Killtown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpkqomUc7Xs


Newbies may ask:
Why did the Central Intelligence Agency commission so many
disinformation artists to shoot down the no planes theory? Why are
all of the plane-huggers so evil, wicked, mean and nasty?


A No Planer Resigns from S.P.I.N.E. (Scientific Panel Investigating
Nine Eleven) Morgan Reynolds — August 1, 2006
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=no_planer_resigns


... Question: Why is there such resistance to No Planes Theory?


Answer: NPT is a direct attack on the head of the snake. You can go
after Bush, Cheney and that whole compartmentalized entity but not
the
head of the snake. NPT is the only thing that we have direct
evidence
of, so it is very threatening. The media control everything because
they can point the finger at anybody. The media is the enforcement
arm
of the head of the snake that controls everything. It can topple any
government. And NPT is direct proof of their enforcement of the 9/11
scam. It’s the propaganda arm of the ruling class and NPT would
break
it all open. They’d be done. ...



george152

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joeturn wrote:

>
> Live TV feed shows Explorer has it on radar,still in the air flying
> after it supposedly struck tower 2.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdXGSefI6pM&feature=player_embedded

Wrong. Been disproved.
And 'explorer' is what ?
Certainly not a name used in civil aviation RADAR in the US

george152

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Jul 5, 2012, 4:41:09 PM7/5/12
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Crickets wrote:

>
> Why do Jews believe "19 terrorists" do not constitute a "conspiracy?"
>
> Are Jews that stupid or are you all God Damn Mother Fucking Liars?
>

Wow. A neonazi out in the light of day on the Internet blaming the Joooos.
Who'd have thunk it

First.Post

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Jul 5, 2012, 4:56:55 PM7/5/12
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george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in news:XqmdneGdtK5KZ2jSnZ2dnUVZ_s-
dn...@giganews.com:
Not to mention, the screen they were looking at is not true live radar.
The image they point out is most likely the last known location of the
plane.
If it had been actual live radar then all those other planes would have
been moving. They were not.




Government Shill #2

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It was a flight tracker website. Nothing live about it. slowjoe is just an
idiot.

Shill #2
--
Resonant Frequency,Radio Frequency and Radiant Energy are all one in
the same,Tesla called it aether.
slowjoe (joetu...@yahoo.com)
alt.conspiracy 03Apr12

First.Post

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Jul 5, 2012, 5:40:07 PM7/5/12
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Crickets <bongb...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
news:837d0ce8-2d53-4512...@n32g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 5, 5:49 am, "First. Post" <OccupiersDumberThanD...@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>> Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote
>> innews:84ba95ae-966a-4198-bafa-
> 9f1992...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > There were NO PLANES.
>>
>> > There were NO PASSENGERS.
>>
>> > There were NO MUSLIMS.
>>
>> > The world's top scientists have proven:
>>
>> > 9-11 was a military-media black op.
>>
>> > Anybody that says otherwise is a God Damned Liar.
>>
>> Anyone parroting your crazy assed conspiracy theories is a goddamned
>> idio
> t.
>
>
> Why do Jews believe "19 terrorists" do not constitute a "conspiracy?"
>
> Are Jews that stupid or are you all God Damn Mother Fucking Liars?
>

Unsubstantiated bullshit noted.
Why should anyone with any sense at all take anything that someone who
calls themself "doped up lefty" and bongblaster" seriously at all?

Go back to hitting your bong and watching out for the black helicopters you
stupid son of a bitch.


First.Post

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Jul 5, 2012, 5:45:12 PM7/5/12
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Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:141cv719rue6vg8sf...@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:56:55 +0000 (UTC), "First.Post"
> <OccupierDum...@invalid.org> wrote:
>
>>george152 <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in news:XqmdneGdtK5KZ2jSnZ2dnUVZ_s-
>>dn...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> joeturn wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Live TV feed shows Explorer has it on radar,still in the air flying
>>>> after it supposedly struck tower 2.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdXGSefI6pM&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>>> Wrong. Been disproved.
>>> And 'explorer' is what ?
>>> Certainly not a name used in civil aviation RADAR in the US
>>>
>>
>>Not to mention, the screen they were looking at is not true live
>>radar. The image they point out is most likely the last known location
>>of the plane.
>>If it had been actual live radar then all those other planes would
>>have been moving. They were not.
>
>
> It was a flight tracker website. Nothing live about it. slowjoe is
> just an idiot.

Indeed on both counts.

joeturn

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Jul 5, 2012, 10:54:49 PM7/5/12
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> Just do it!http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249
>
> Slamming a plane into the tower is a piece of cake.
>
> So why bother faking it, when you can just do it?
>

Morgan Reynolds was killed for explaining why the planes had to be
faked.

The buildings were set with controled demolitions,a real plane crash
could have caused the explosives to go off out of sequence and forced
the buildings to fall over outside their footprints damageing the
surrounding buildings that were uninsured by the Silverstien
bunch.They would have not made a profit off their insurance fraud if
the surronding property owners sued Silverstien for repairs$$$$$$$

read article 23 in this doccumentary.

http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html

> The 'no planes' theory looks more like a psyop smear designed
> to make 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" look like fools. I don't buy it.
>
> (Bongblaster:)
> Stupid is as stupid does; even Forest Gump knows that.  No one can
> make Fintan Dunne look like a fool but Fintan Dunne.
>
> =================================
>
> by Mike Rivero, Whatreallyhappened.cia
>
> The Plane That Crashed Into the Pentagonhttp://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ppfinal.html
>
> Right now, government shills are working hard to trick web sites into
> running the claim that a passenger jet did not really hit the
> Pentagon.
>
> This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the
> intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to
> discredit it. ...
>
> At some point in the near future, photographs, or video will be
> "discovered" clearly showing the impact, and the mainstream media
> will
> have a field day ridiculing those "kooky Internet web sites" and
> their
> "silly conspiracy theories", all based on a silly theory the
> government is itself planting on the web.
>
> (Bongblaster:)  I'm still waiting to see a picture of a plane hitting
> the Pentagon ... tic toc,  tic toc ...
>
> ===============================
>
> by Alex Jones of Prison Planet.ciahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9C5arMsFlE
>
> ...That said, I noticed day 1, that the no-planers for tower 1 & 2
> and
> that the space beamers would viciously attack anyone who wouldn’t
> immediately agree with them and scream and yell at them and scream
> and
> yell at me – and try to bully me and others - and then viciously try
> to discredit the key researchers that were getting things ready for
> peer review ...
>
> Alex Jones Reacts To No-Planers On The Howard Stern Showhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=VuIo5zGFZJw
>
> (Bongblaster:)  AJ's body language indicates he is *highly* irritated
> by the no planes theory.  It seems to strike a nerve with all the
> spooks.
>
> ======================================
>
> (Bongblaster:)
> Why did 9-11 skeptics follow the "Pied Piper of Thermite" like little
> children running after the ice cream truck?  Is there an ADULT in the
> house?
>
> "You believe that easily which you hope for earnestly."
>    --Terence
>
> by Steven Jones
> Scholars for 9-11 Truth and *Justice*http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t...
> Crimes of the Statehttp://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/07/911-b-s-movement.html
>
> No planes hit the WORLD TRADE CENTER???
>
> ...Of all the preposterous garbage I have come across, this one takes
> the feces. On its face, with very little effort or time, this
> senselessness is debunked in several ways. If you see the term "TV
> Fakery", get out, click onward, make a hasty lunge for saner
> pastures.
> You'll thank me later.
>
> The "directed energy weapons" is the second most idiotic "theory"
> I've
> heard yet. It takes more time and effort to properly debunk[9], and
> its proponents couch it in pseudo-scientific jargon in order to fool
> the average reader. It's still nonsense and demonstrably so.
>
> How many anonymous internet posters are there pushing this pap? The
> crew is highly active and well represented on message boards, but how
> many unique and different individuals does it take to create a
> disruptive presence?
>
> I think we are witnessing a small number of highly active operatives
> who get off on mindfucking the gullible public. I'd prefer not to
> name
> them all here, but you'll see them around, and smile. ...
>
> (Bongblaster:)  I think we are witnessing a LARGE number of highly
> active operatives who get paid off for mindfucking the gullible
> public.   I'd prefer to name them all here, but I'm getting kind of
> sleepy now.
>
> BIRTH OF THE "PLANE" MYTH    September Clues part Dhttp://letsrollforums.com/9-11-plane-witness-t22697.html?t=22697
>
> DEATH OF THE "PLANE" MYTH   Killtownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpkqomUc7Xs
>
> Newbies may ask:
> Why did the Central Intelligence Agency commission so many
> disinformation artists to shoot down the no planes theory?  Why are
> all of the plane-huggers so evil, wicked, mean and nasty?
>
> A No Planer Resigns from S.P.I.N.E.  (Scientific Panel Investigating
> Nine Eleven)  Morgan Reynolds — August 1, 2006http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=no_planer_resigns
>
> ... Question:  Why is there such resistance to No Planes Theory?
>
> Answer:  NPT is a direct attack on the head of the snake. You can go
> after Bush, Cheney and that whole compartmentalized entity but not
> the
> head of the snake.  NPT is the only thing that we have direct
> evidence
> of, so it is very threatening. The media control everything because
> they can point the finger at anybody. The media is the enforcement
> arm
> of the head of the snake that controls everything. It can topple any
> government.  And NPT is direct proof of their enforcement of the 9/11
> scam.  It’s the propaganda arm of the ruling class and NPT would
> break
> it all open.  They’d be done. ...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The new study by Dr.Niels Harrit will prove the continuing dieing off
of the first responders and the volunteer constrution wokers from lung
diseases are directly linked to Thermate dust they inhaled
. Note that Thermate is the government grade of thermite that can be
only obtained from Government stockpiles in regulated facilitys.NO
CLEARANCE NO THERMATE..So the specific hollow nonotubes in the lungs
of first responders can only be from THERMATE no other chemical
process can create this specific..They are hollow hexshaped due to the
barrium crystals oxidizing and held in that shape by the sulfer till
the decay.The life cycle of BARIUM CRYSTALs coated with carsenigenic
sulfuric acid keeps them evident long afte the clean up crew and first
responders are dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRk2mdsXhuw

joeturn

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On Jul 5, 5:40 pm, "First.Post" <OccupierDumberThanD...@invalid.org>
wrote:
> Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote innews:837d0ce8-2d53-4512...@n32g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 5:49 am, "First. Post" <OccupiersDumberThanD...@invalid.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Crickets <bongblas...@peoplepc.com> wrote
> >> innews:84ba95ae-966a-4198-bafa-
> > 9f1992a59...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > There were NO PLANES.
>
> >> > There were NO PASSENGERS.
>
> >> > There were NO MUSLIMS.
>
> >> > The world's top scientists have proven:
>
> >> > 9-11 was a military-media black op.
>
> >> > Anybody that says otherwise is a God Damned Liar.
>
> >> Anyone parroting your crazy assed conspiracy theories is a goddamned
> >> idio
> > t.
>
> > Why do Jews believe "19 terrorists" do not constitute a "conspiracy?"
>
> > Are Jews that stupid or are you all God Damn Mother Fucking Liars?
>
> Unsubstantiated bullshit noted.
> Why should anyone with any sense at all take anything that someone who
> calls themself "doped up lefty" and bongblaster" seriously at all?
>
> Go back to hitting your bong and watching out for the black helicopters you
> stupid son of a bitch.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Like-wise why should anyone place any weight on a post by someone that
calls its self FIRST POST?

I think maybe you have injested too much bathe salt

spell check shit#2 you know the routine

TIA

joeturn

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>  slowjoe (joeturn2...@yahoo.com)
>  alt.conspiracy 03Apr12- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It was realtime.Your saying that they taped a live feed of Explore and
declared those aircraft were still in the air then played something
that was old to give the impression that those planes were still
airborn after the fact? Well you poor idiot why would a live news feed
give that false impression,they would have been sued for malice!

You can shill all you want but you can make it go away. Your country
committed war crimes and your Government must pay the piper!

You say your not from te USA and have no bias in the matter,however
your intention is easily exposed.No one in their right mind would deny
the facts and continuosly ridicule the messenger if you were not
politically motivated!$$$$$$$

joeturn

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Jul 5, 2012, 11:30:25 PM7/5/12
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On Jul 5, 5:18 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  slowjoe (joeturn2...@yahoo.com)
>  alt.conspiracy 03Apr12- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It was realtime.Your saying that they taped a live feed of Explore and
declared those aircraft were still in the air then played something
that was old to give the impression that those planes were still
airborn after the fact? Well you poor idiot why would a live news feed
give that false impression,they would have been sued for liability!

You can shill all you want but you can make it go away. Your country
committed war crimes and your Government must pay the piper!


You say your not from te USA and have no bias in the matter,however
your intention is easily exposed.No one in their right mind would deny
the facts and continuosly ridicule the messenger if you were not
politically motivated!$$$$$$$


Stick to you spell checking your post in comparision are making bi-
george look smart and everyone knows how stupid she is!


Government Shill #2

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Whoops! Sorry about that folks. Google groups went stupid on me.

This is what I tried to post.
>airborn after the fact?> It was realtime.Your saying that they taped a live feed of Explore and
> declared those aircraft were still in the air then played something
> that was old to give the impression that those planes were still
> airborn after the fact?


No you fucking idiot. I am saying that flight tracker websites are never up to
date. They are always several minutes behind realtime. Even today, let alone
2001.



> Well you poor idiot why would a live news feed
> give that false impression,they would have been sued for malice!


The only one with a false impression is you. Sane people know and understand the
limitations of flight following websites.


> You can shill all you want but you can make it go away. Your country
> committed war crimes and your Government must pay the piper!


the country in question is yours slowjoe, not mine.


> You say your not from te USA and have no bias in the matter,however
> your intention is easily exposed.No one in their right mind would deny
> the facts


I didn't deny any fact. I gave you a link to a fact. A fact written by the
owners of a flight tracking website. Are you calling them liars? If so, why do
you believe their software to be accurate?



> and continuosly ridicule the messenger if you were not
> politically motivated!$$$$$$$


Ridiculing the messenger is fun. You deserve ridicule. You are an idiot. And
proud of it.

--
Shill #2
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible
propositions.
-- Thomas Jefferson

joeturn

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On Jul 6, 2:17 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whoops! Sorry about that folks. Google groups went stupid on me.
>
> This is what I tried to post.
>
Stick to being my spell checker it is all you have going for you!

You silly big twat.

Listen to the live feed again this time hear the news caster point out
that the images on the Explorer are in fact still airborn.

Now I ask you is that a misrepresentation of the truth according to
you are just some stupid reply from you in hopes you can sway public
oppinion away from the truth.


As I stated before if there had been an inaccurate statement made by
the reporter the whole article would have been retracted by the news
feed and an opology would have been made,to be sure that your idea of
whats real-time and whatz not real-time would not be misunderstood.The
editeor would have lost its job and lawsuits would have been filed if
your senario of incidence were true.


No you have got caught up and posted what you were fed to post by
your
government shill employer without requiring any support from the
facts.


Now get back in the truck and let bi-george handle the stupid replys
and get back to the only thing you can be trusted with and that would
be spell checking.Your reasoning makes one question your ability to
correctly spell a word.


You see you should have taken the advice.Its best to be thought of as
the fool than to make a stupid post and remove all doubt!


There goes all your production for the week,next will be a cut in
pay,then you will be called on to fill in when bi-george is on
holiday. Then we will have to visit the archives to reminis of your
use to be status!


Silence is bliss,but in your case you going to have to sound like a
mud hen,trying to save your position.
> -- Thomas Jefferson- Hide quoted text -

Government Shill #2

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 6, 2:17�am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Whoops! Sorry about that folks. Google groups went stupid on me.
>>
>> This is what I tried to post.
>>
> Stick to being my spell checker it is all you have going for you!
>
>You silly big twat.
>
>Listen to the live feed again this time hear the news caster point out
>that the images on the Explorer are in fact still airborn.


In journalism, there has always been a tension between getting it first and
getting it right. - Ellen Goodman

Journalists are quite often wrong slowjoe.


>Now I ask you is that a misrepresentation of the truth according to
>you are just some stupid reply from you in hopes you can sway public
>oppinion away from the truth.


There is no misinterpretation on my part, I have provided you a citation from a
modern version of "Explorer" (multiple times) stating that the output is not
live.

Not my interpretation slowjoe. Fact. Expert supplied fact. You should try doing
that once in a while. It would bolster your "case".



>As I stated before if there had been an inaccurate statement made by
>the reporter the whole article would have been retracted by the news
>feed and an opology would have been made,to be sure that your idea of
>whats real-time and whatz not real-time would not be misunderstood.The
>editeor would have lost its job and lawsuits would have been filed if
>your senario of incidence were true.



Over a small matter like that on a day so full of tragedy? Rubbish!

And since when do television statements retract a news feed. You are such an
amazing fantasist.

Journalists make inaccurate statements all the time. *If* these are ever
retracted it is on page 37 of their newspaper, or on some obscure page on their
website.



>No you have got caught up and posted what you were fed to post by
>your government shill employer without requiring any support from the
>facts.


The facts come from the supplier of a flight tracking service. You can check
them for yourself. Here, I'll give you the link again

http://flightaware.com/about/faq.rvt#howlive

And their contact details:

FlightAware
Eight Greenway Plaza, Suite 1300
Houston, Texas 77046 USA

Main +1-713-877-9010
Fax +1-713-877-9020



news caster
oppinion
opology
whatz
editeor
senario
incidence
replys
reminis


Shill #2
--
slowjoe's theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo

joeturn

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On Jul 6, 6:11 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
You forgot to mention that the newsman declared that all the images on
their Explorer radar were in realtime and Flight 175 was still in the
air while tower 2 was smoking.

This means you bullshit philosphy is worrthless,there was no time
delay and infact flight was still airborn after the first explosion in
tower 2.

As you tried to steer the herd into believing a plane hit tower 2
there was NO EVIDENCE of it happening other than false TV News for the
sheeple.

The motor identified as being from Flight 175 by the government(NIST)
has been identified as from a 737,bu flight175 was a 767.

Is it not funny how after years of planing the 911 hoax,they could not
even plant the right engine at the northwest corner of Church and
Murray streets?

The other brother Gideon Nadeau filmed the wrong jet engine at that
intersection while walking to tower 1 before tower 2 was even supposed
struct by a plane.The crowd is walking toward the crime scene instead
of out of harms way,they were not in a hurry nor concerned,simply
because they did not see any danger there!You see the crowd was
computer generated graphics and did not have any human senses at all
to react to a real tragedy.Some of the people just walked through one
another as if they were also cartoon characters like the faked planes.

Out of 3000 supposed deaths,none of the cadaver dogs ever alerted!

The DNA they were identified by was also a ficticious character!

NEMO

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Jul 7, 2012, 10:21:02 PM7/7/12
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Arsehole joeturn, you're an asswipe!

I guess you're also one of the idiots who thought the space walks/moon
shots were made in a special effects stage, that JFK was shot by 20
odd assorted assasins & the Easter bunny was a communist conspiracy?

Government Shill #2

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Jul 7, 2012, 11:08:59 PM7/7/12
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Liar!

It is *not* RADAR.

He says no such thing.

Why do you think you can get away with such bald faced lies?


>This means you bullshit philosphy is worrthless,there was no time
>delay and infact flight was still airborn after the first explosion in
>tower 2.


Liar!

http://flightaware.com/about/faq.rvt#howlive
How live is FlightAware's tracking and status data? (Back to top)

The data displayed on FlightAware.com is typically 30 seconds to five minutes
delayed from real time depending on the data source and government regulations.
You can contact us if you have a commercial need for real-time data.


Shill #2
--
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Me

joeturn

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Jul 8, 2012, 2:26:46 AM7/8/12
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On Jul 7, 11:08 pm, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >This means your bullshit philosphy is worrthless,there was no time
> >delay and infact flight 175 was still airborn after the first explosion in
> >tower 2.
>
> Liar!
>
> http://flightaware.com/about/faq.rvt#howlive
> How live is FlightAware's tracking and status data? (Back to top)
>
> The data displayed on FlightAware.com is typically 30 seconds to five minutes
> delayed from real time depending on the data source and government regulations.
> You can contact us if you have a commercial need for real-time data.
>
> Shill #2
> --
> Liar, liar, pants on fire.
>  Me- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You get all your misinformation from NIST a proven Government agency
designed to spread falsehoods.

They went by Bureau of Standards when they saved the Governments ass
from mega lawsuits when the sodium fluoride the government was putting
in the drinking water was causing birth defects and damaging the crops
and killing off the farm animals.

They went by the Warren Commission when they pulled the JFK killing
hoax.

They changed their name again as they were exposed to lawsuits
themselves for lying, to National Institute of Standards and
Technology.

When the sheeple realize that NIST did lie to cover up the truth.

The Government will simply jump in and say we will not tolorate such a
thing and the ones that committed these lies will be punished and Nist
will be disolved,only to change their name and come back to the
Governments rescue once again with a new line of bull shit as always.


Yes I expect they will put on a public execution for this fake treason
and all exposed will suffer the same consiquences as did Timothy
McViegh. By the way he is still alive!

Charles Manson is not in prison,he is busy doing the explans(occupy)
like Timothy McViegh it is all a hoax.

http://wellaware1.com/cointelpro/actors/manson/mansonbiug.jpg

joeturn

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>  Me- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I hear and see it on this one minute clip from LIVE MSNBC "these are
passenger planes that are partisipating in the FFA REAL TIME RADAR
ect.this guy is telling the news and showing Flight 175 still airborn
after the faked crash!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdXGSefI6pM&feature=player_embedded


Shit#2 you have been "had" or for a better word "excremented".

joeturn

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The idiots are the ones that do believe in those Government sponsored
lies!

Here are the facts!

There has never been a human step foot on the moon.

JFK was never killed,he is still alive and is using the pseudonym of
Jimmy Carter,his wife Marilyn Monroe/Jackie O ,goes by the pseudonym
of Rosilyn Carter now.

The CIA brain control project(MK Ultra) and sodium fluoride has got
the sheeple so dimwitted most of them still believe in GOD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IStoyUb697c&feature=player_embedded

Easter is to celebrate the Pagon Goddess of fertility.

Tony Dragon

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Why do you believe a newsreader when he says that, but don't believe the
many other newsreaders that say they saw the planes that hit the WTC &
Pentagon?

Is it that you are just being selective to fit you beliefs?

Tony Dragon

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On 08/07/2012 02:56, joeturn wrote:
<snip>

!
>

Good to see you are still here, the list of questions you have not
answered is getting longer. I'll repost them for you.

Can you supply evidence of the list below, please use your own words but
back up what you say with credible links.

Asbestos soaked with Shellac to separate (I presume that's what you
mean) the different materials.

What were the different materials?

What was the purpose of these materials?

The effect of salt moist air.

Concrete flooring corrosion.

Reduced life span of the buildings.

When were the buildings condemned.

Who condemned them.

When were they evacuated.

Who organized the evacuation.

Who witnessed the evacuation.

Why were companies reported to be in occupation of the buildings if they
were empty.

What were the Pentagon links.

What is the 'intelligence' link to the buildings.

Who were these auditors?

What/who they were auditing?

What is the missing dollars from?

Why would the buildings being destroyed have any connection with the
missing cash?

Why is there no back up information of the missing cash?

What records were destroyed in WTC 7?

Why were there no back up records?

What has the VN war got to do with opium?
===================================================

How many tons/tonnes/lbs/Kgs of thermite/thermate was required to do
what you say?
Where was it placed in the buildings?
When was it placed there?
How was it placed there?
Who placed it there?
Are there any reports of any of the above?

Please answer in your own words, but add credible links that back up
your answers.



Government Shill #2

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So... when called a liar you don't stand behind your false statements, or
correct me by providing evidence. Of course not. You're a kOOk.

Instead you go into a kOOkerRAnt� about fluoride, JFK, NIST, and Timothy
McViegh.

You're a nutbag, slowjoe. I don't need to provide evidence. You provide it
yourself.

Shill #2
--
Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he read made him mad.
- George Bernard Shaw

Government Shill #2

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"...only those that are participating [that is how you spell it] in the FAA
RADAR system. Airliners. This does not include, um, anybody in a small plane..."

THAT is what the man said.

Nothing about what you are seeing as being RADAR, or realtime.


>Shit#2 you have been "had" or for a better word "excremented".


Not by you, I haven't slowjoe. I am not buying your lies. I am calling you on
them.

Government Shill #2

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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:27:42 +0100, Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com>
wrote:
The newsman doesn't say what slowjoe claims he does. The voices in his head must
be filling in the extra words. Validating slowjoe's political agenda. slowjoe is
being selective in his hearing as well as his beliefs.

joeturn

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On Jul 8, 8:31 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:27:42 +0100, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com>
>  slowjoe's themehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Tumy Dragin is not as tupid as you and can very well see hear and read
the 1 minute flick for herself and she does in fact realize the
Explorer is LIVE and not an overlay as MSNBC is showing it as it
happens and the Flight175 is still on the RADAR after thye fact..

Think for a moment the air traffic controlers rely on Explorer Real
time or they would be crashes everywhere.

Get back to your spelling bee.You exposing yourself as being the most
government brainwashed idiot alive and bi-george I was for sure had
that tidal.

Tumy Dragin what were those questions again?

Tony Dragon

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Jul 9, 2012, 1:43:55 AM7/9/12
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Where did you get that idea, I know that it is not a live feed.


> and not an overlay as MSNBC is showing it as it
> happens and the Flight175 is still on the RADAR after thye fact..
>
> Think for a moment the air traffic controlers rely on Explorer Real
> time or they would be crashes everywhere.

You think that's how ATC works?

>
> Get back to your spelling bee.You exposing yourself as being the most
> government brainwashed idiot alive and bi-george I was for sure had
> that tidal.
>
> Tumy Dragin what were those questions again?
>

AS posted many times, just search, but I might post them again later.


Government Shill #2

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On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>tupids
>thye
>controlers
>tidal

Shill #2
--
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
Ralph Wiggum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSD9lPVY6Q

joeturn

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On Jul 9, 3:05 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >tupids
> >thye
> >controlers
> >tidal
>
> Shill #2
> --
> "Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
>   Ralph Wiggum
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSD9lPVY6Q

atta boy girl,dont allow yourself to loose your spell checking job,its
all you have going for you,theres still hope yet!

joeturn

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> >>   slowjoe's themehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo-Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Tumy Dragin is not as tupid as you and can very well see hear and read
> > the 1 minute flick for herself and she does in fact realize the
> > Explorer is LIVE
>
> Where did you get that idea, I know that it is not a live feed.
>
> > and not an overlay as MSNBC is showing it as it
> > happens and the Flight175 is still on the RADAR after thye fact..
>
> > Think for a moment the air traffic controlers rely on Explorer Real
> > time or they would be crashes everywhere.
>
> You think that's how ATC works?
>
>
>
> > Get back to your spelling bee.You exposing yourself as being the most
> > government brainwashed idiot alive and bi-george I was for sure had
> > that tidal.
>
> > Tumy Dragin what were those questions again?
>
> AS posted many times, just search, but I might post them again later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My bad! I gave you more credit than you deserved.I stand corrected,you
are dumber than you appear.

Please post the many questions again,someone like yourself also might
not be able to comprehend the answers!

BI-george your running a close second to tumy dragin on the lack of
smarts.Propaganda Americono and shit #2 are closing the gap.

This means BDK being a buddhist is leader of the pack!

Government Shill #2

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Jul 9, 2012, 7:45:56 AM7/9/12
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:54:37 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 9, 3:05�am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >tupids
>> >thye
>> >controlers
>> >tidal
>>

>
>atta boy girl,dont allow yourself to loose your spell checking job,its
>all you have going for you,theres still hope yet!

dont
loose
its
theres

Tony Dragon

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On 09/07/2012 08:52, joeturn wrote:

<snip>

>>
>>> Tumy Dragin what were those questions again?
>>
>> AS posted many times, just search, but I might post them again later.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> My bad! I gave you more credit than you deserved.I stand corrected,you
> are dumber than you appear.
>
> Please post the many questions again,someone like yourself also might
> not be able to comprehend the answers!
>
> BI-george your running a close second to tumy dragin on the lack of
> smarts.Propaganda Americono and shit #2 are closing the gap.
>
> This means BDK being a buddhist is leader of the pack!
>


OK here is the list of questions about various claims you have made.

QUESTIONS FOR JOE NOT ANSWERED

Tony Dragon

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You forgot the missing spaces.

Government Shill #2

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:17:43 +0100, Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com>
wrote:

>On 09/07/2012 12:45, Government Shill #2 wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:54:37 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 9, 3:05 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT), joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> tupids
>>>>> thye
>>>>> controlers
>>>>> tidal
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>> atta boy girl,dont allow yourself to loose your spell checking job,its
>>> all you have going for you,theres still hope yet!
>>
>> dont
>> loose
>> its
>> theres
>>
>>
>
>You forgot the missing spaces.


That's weird, the way he does that.

How does one indicate missing spaces?

First.Post

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Jul 9, 2012, 6:25:05 PM7/9/12
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Government Shill #2 <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:obimv75pgg6no4jms...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:17:43 +0100, Tony Dragon
> <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>On 09/07/2012 12:45, Government Shill #2 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 00:54:37 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>>> <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 3:05 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 15:28:22 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>>>>> <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> tupids
>>>>>> thye
>>>>>> controlers
>>>>>> tidal
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> atta boy girl,dont allow yourself to loose your spell checking
>>>> job,its all you have going for you,theres still hope yet!
>>>
>>> dont
>>> loose
>>> its
>>> theres
>>>
>>>
>>
>>You forgot the missing spaces.
>
>
> That's weird, the way he does that.
>
> How does one indicate missing spaces?

In this case it would be "you,theres"

joeturn

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Jul 10, 2012, 12:07:50 AM7/10/12
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On Jul 9, 1:16 pm, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 09/07/2012 08:52, joeturn wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> Tumy Dragin what were those questions again?
>
> >> AS posted many times, just search, but I might post them again later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > My bad! I gave you more credit than you deserved.I stand corrected,you
> > are dumber than you appear.
>
> > Please post the many questions again,someone like yourself also might
> > not be able to comprehend the answers!
>
> > BI-george your running a close second to tumy dragin on the lack of
> > smarts.Propaganda Americono and shit #2 are closing the gap.
>
> > This means BDK being a buddhist is leader of the pack!
>
> OK here is the list of questions about various claims you have made.
>
> QUESTIONS FOR JOE NOT ANSWERED
> Can you supply evidence of the list below, please use your own words but
> back up what you say with credible links.
>
> Asbestos soaked with Shellac to separate (I presume that's what you
> mean) the different materials.
>
> What were the different materials?

ANSWER: it says here copper and iron framework how ever the floor
joist were also coated to avoid galvanic corrosion.

The idea was given them by the owner of Brown & Root to overcome
volta,however the shellac broke down and made the fiberglass
insalation like a spunge and held the salt air moisture against the
materials,causeing more damagein a shorter period of time.

Fact is the galvanic corrosion made the buildings unsafe and were
comdemed within ten years of exposure.
>
> What was the purpose of these materials?

A stupid request here does not warrant an answer
>
> The effect of salt moist air.

galvanic corrosion,salt water vessels require a zinc plate be
installed to keep this electroisis(VOLTA) from eating up the metal.as
you have been taught that electricity follows the path of least
resistance and eating away at the least resistant materials were
quickly observed.
>
> Concrete flooring corrosion.

Yes the volta effect eat away the bonding agent in the insitu floor
panels causing them to lose their ability to support anymore and the
composit concrete turned to powder.
>
> Reduced life span of the buildings.

Answer: the life span of the buildings were expected to last 200 years
with out a major overhaul or replacement,but the metel matereals were
eating them alive and made them only safe for 20 years.
>
> When were the buildings condemned.
>
> Who condemned them.

Answer: The Port Authority observed the major problem in early
1985.Before they were condemed an idea to restore them to a safe
environment,was to completly dissasemble them and rebuild them solving
the galvanic corrosion problem.these plans were scrapped because of
asbestos lawsuit was a biggy for the US Government Army Corp of
Engineers aka Brown & Root.

Killing two birds with one fix was to blow the building up with preset
explosives(controled demolition) and to avoid any more asbestos
lawsuits,they elected to blame it on terrorism.The Butch
Administration used this Fake claim to go to war,to protect our
FREEDRUMs of oil.
>
> When were they evacuated.

2 months prior to 9 11 2001 the last of the leases expired.no one was
allowed into the buildings,except the demolition crews and the
construction workers hired to get the buildings readied for
demolition,the Israelli Art students were also there serving their
time for a false charge of counter espianoge. The FEDS set them up
claiming they were stealing important government documents.This gave
an easy attachment to Israel and terrorism.
>
> Who organized the evacuation.

The EPA organized the evacuation
>
> Who witnessed the evacuation.


ANSWER: The Port Authority Personel were amoung a few of the
witnesses


>
> Why were companies reported to be in occupation of the buildings if they
> were empty.

ANSWER : To make it look like business as usual.They were going to
blow the builings up and blame it on Terrorism.Who would believe
Terroist attacked an empty building?
>
> What were the Pentagon links.

Answer: Killing three birds with one salution.

The Federal Government was spending trillions of dollars of
unaccounted for tax payers money on Black Flag Operations
>
> What is the 'intelligence' link to the buildings.
>
> Who were these auditors?
>
> What/who they were auditing?
>
> What is the missing dollars from?
>
> Why would the buildings being destroyed have any connection with the
> missing cash?
>
> Why is there no back up information of the missing cash?

The Pentagram was being audited and all the records were kept in the
newly renovated(set up for controled demolition) are that was supposed
to be making it missile proof.
>
> What records were destroyed in WTC 7?
>
> Why were there no back up records?
>
> What has the VN war got to do with opium?
> ===================================================
>
> How many tons/tonnes/lbs/Kgs of thermite/thermate was required to do
> what you say?
> Where was it placed in the buildings?
> When was it placed there?
> How was it placed there?
> Who placed it there?
> Are there any reports of any of the above?
>
> Please answer in your own words, but add credible links that back up
> your answers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"IN MY OWN WORDS" REQUIRE ME TO SPELL THEM IN MY OWN MANNER

You cant handle the truth this is why you claim the truth sites are
not credible.

So your going to have to accept my words as the gospel untill you can
proove them wrong.

NIST is not a credible site!

george152

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joeturn wrote:

> galvanic corrosion,salt water vessels require a zinc plate be
> installed to keep this electroisis(VOLTA) from eating up the metal.as
> you have been taught that electricity follows the path of least
> resistance and eating away at the least resistant materials were
> quickly observed.

Decoder ring definitely required.
Is he on about ships ?

joeturn

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Jul 10, 2012, 5:01:07 AM7/10/12
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That was an elementary comparison bi george.Showing that while the
salt water electrolosis was eating the outside of the ship and its
engines parts,zink was added to deter the corrosion of the
ship,because electricity in this casae would attack the lesser
resistant metal first.After the zink plate was desolved by
electrolisis,it had to be replaced quickly before the hull caved in
due to electrolisis/galvanic volta.

As I stated it was an elementary comparison I did not expect you to
understand such an advanced form of chatter.When you graduate
kindergarten,you mind will begain to evolve.Be patient.I dont mean to
stop complaining about your inability to understand but follow Tumi
Dragin around and see if you can answer his questions.You two will
have fun challenging one anothers mentality since both of you are
mentally challenged already.

Government Shill #2

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Jul 10, 2012, 7:54:45 AM7/10/12
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george.Showing
electrolosis
parts,zink
ship,because
first.After
desolved
electrolisis
electrolisis,it
electrolisis
volta
kindergarten,you
you mind will
evolve.Be
patient.I
questions.You
anothers

MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE

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Jul 10, 2012, 11:31:48 AM7/10/12
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You know something is fishy
when History repeats itself in
very obvious ways while Poltiico's do Absolutely Nothing.


The nature of the Taliban, their intent to go to war,
was easily predicable on the basis of their 'purge' of Bhuddist reliquery.
All religous wars being with the purge of all historical dissenting views...




March/2001:
http://www.afghanistannewscenter.com/news/2001/march/mar5d2001.html
German minister likens Taliban statue purge to Nazis
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/02/news/mn-32269
Despite Outcry, Taliban Begins Destroying Statues

The head of UNESCO asked other Islamic nations to pressure the Taliban
to stop, while the director of the Metropolitan Museum in New York
pleaded with Afghan officials to give--or sell--the artifacts to foreign
museums.



So too now:

July/2012
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10/us-mali-crisis-timbuktu-
idUSBRE8690O420120710
Mali Islamists destroy tombs at famous Timbuktu mosque

Islamist militants destroyed two tombs on Tuesday at the famous 14th
century Djingareyber mosque in Timbuktu, classified by UNESCO as a
world heritage site, residents said.


They have destroyed at least eight of 16 listed mausoleums in the
city, together with a number of tombs and a sacred door at Sidi Yahya
mosque, in their campaign to erase traces of what they regard as
un-Islamic idolatry.



And so,
the rise of Pan Islamic Jamalia
will become a name as infamous as OBL.
Thanks to OBAMA and his Political and Military Misunderestimations.


As Syria Burns
and as Egypte Turns, OBAMA
will reduce this world to a cinder as he and his LIBs
sing and prance about patting themselves on the back for
duping the world yet again, into a war and attack that need
not have been, that History in retrospect will consider only too obvious.


OBAMA needs Good Men to do (and know) ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
so that he may destroy his targets with impunity.
so that he may deceive his constituency as
he as for TWO DECADES running.



http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dinesh-DSouza/dp/1596986255
The Roots of Obama's Rage


The real Obama is a man shaped by experiences far different from those
of most Americans; he is a much stranger, more determined, and
exponentially more dangerous man than you’d ever imagined.



LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
---
DEMAND TRUTH.
DESERVE PEACE.
DESERVE FREEDOM.
DEMAND COMPETANCE.
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY.

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF FIRST AS TRAGEDY (CLINTON) THEN AS FARCE (OBAMA)

to leave now we would send a message to terrorists and other
potential adversaries around the world that they can change our
policies by killing our people. It would be open season on Americans.
-- Bill Clinton '93
just before he pulled out of Somalia.


To abandon this area now -- and to rely only on efforts against
alQaeda from a distance -- would significantly hamper our ability to
keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an UNACCEPTABLE RISK of
additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.
-- OBAMA'09


Reducing the state of the world to that not unlike a log
tumbling end over end down the raging rapids, its people
reduced to little more than ants clinging to it for their
very lives while OBAMA continues to proclaim himself: CAPTAIN!


joeturn

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On Jul 10, 11:31 am, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
<ExPresid...@au.revoir.gov> wrote:
> You know something is fishy
> when History repeats itself in
> very obvious ways while Poltiico's do Absolutely Nothing.
>
> The nature of the Taliban, their intent to go to war,
> was easily predicable on the basis of their 'purge' of Bhuddist reliquery.
> All religous wars being with the purge of all historical dissenting views...
>
> March/2001:http://www.afghanistannewscenter.com/news/2001/march/mar5d2001.html
>      German minister likens Taliban statue purge to Nazishttp://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/02/news/mn-32269
>         Despite Outcry, Taliban Begins Destroying Statues
>
>   The head of UNESCO asked other Islamic nations to pressure the Taliban
>   to stop, while the director of the Metropolitan Museum in New York
>   pleaded with Afghan officials to give--or sell--the artifacts to foreign
>   museums.
>
> So too now:
>
> July/2012http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10/us-mali-crisis-timbuktu-
Speaking of Buddhist has anyone saw BDK lately?

BDK

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In article <6ab6bf97-f5ee-4a0c-b049-de1780cfb759
@j10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, joetu...@yahoo.com says...
> > exponentially more dangerous man than you?d ever imagined.
> >
> > LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
> > ---
> > DEMAND TRUTH.
> > DESERVE PEACE.
> > DESERVE FREEDOM.
> > DEMAND COMPETANCE.
> > DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
> > DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY.
> >
> > HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF FIRST AS TRAGEDY (CLINTON) THEN AS FARCE (OBAMA)
> >
> >   to leave now we would send a message to terrorists and other
> >   potential adversaries around the world that they can change our
> >   policies by killing our people.  It would be open season on Americans.
> >    -- Bill Clinton '93
> >            just before he pulled out of Somalia.
> >
> >     To abandon this area now -- and to rely only on efforts against
> >     alQaeda from a distance -- would significantly hamper our ability to
> >     keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an UNACCEPTABLE RISK of
> >     additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.
> >                 -- OBAMA'09
> >
> > Reducing the state of the world to that not unlike a log
> > tumbling end over end down the raging rapids, its people
> > reduced to little more than ants clinging to it for their
> > very lives while OBAMA continues to proclaim himself:  CAPTAIN!
>
> Speaking of Buddhist has anyone saw BDK lately?

I'm pretty much ignoring you, SlowJoe. You've pretty much proven
yourself to be a psuedo kOOk, not the real thing.

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster.

MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE

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joeturn
> On Jul 10, 11:31 am, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
...

> Speaking of Buddhist has anyone saw BDK lately?


helping out on the dismantling of the Pyramids...

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-
the-pyramids/


Such Savage and Primitive people are TOO STOOPID to realize
that they couldn't dismantle the pyramids even if they wanted to.

Gee, what could possibly go wrong?


Such abject stupidity enabled by Political Power
telegraphs a Threat to all of Civilization and is
second only to Liberalism as a cancer that can and
must be systematically and ruthlessly eradicated.


Yet LIBs would have you believe the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/world/middleeast/fast-changing-arab-
world-is-upending-us-assumptions.html?_r=1&hp

But they suggest that Americans should not assume that the rise of
Islamists puts the United States in greater danger from terrorists.
The opposite may well be the case, they say.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/30/it-is-us/
NUGENT: It is us
We're the ones who allowed anti-Americans to take over America

Barack Hussein Obama did not sneak into power. An army of clueless,
disconnected, ignorant Americans invited him to bring his Marxist,
glaringly anti-American jihad into our lives.



LIBs. What FARCE their Vision?
---
A Taxpayer who Votes for OBAMA is like a Chicken voting for Col. Sanders.
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/123755.jpg



TRUTH. LEADERSHIP. SOLUTIONS. OBAMA? NON-SEQUITUR.


http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
DEBTSTAR:: This is NOT the HOPE you have been Searching for.

Tony Dragon

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Jul 10, 2012, 3:29:30 PM7/10/12
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On 10/07/2012 05:07, joeturn wrote:
> On Jul 9, 1:16 pm, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 09/07/2012 08:52, joeturn wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Tumy Dragin what were those questions again?
>>
>>>> AS posted many times, just search, but I might post them again later.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> My bad! I gave you more credit than you deserved.I stand corrected,you
>>> are dumber than you appear.
>>
>>> Please post the many questions again,someone like yourself also might
>>> not be able to comprehend the answers!
>>
>>> BI-george your running a close second to tumy dragin on the lack of
>>> smarts.Propaganda Americono and shit #2 are closing the gap.
>>
>>> This means BDK being a buddhist is leader of the pack!
>>
>> OK here is the list of questions about various claims you have made.
>>
>> QUESTIONS FOR JOE NOT ANSWERED
>> Can you supply evidence of the list below, please use your own words but
>> back up what you say with credible links.
>>
>> Asbestos soaked with Shellac to separate (I presume that's what you
>> mean) the different materials.
>>
>> What were the different materials?
>
> ANSWER: it says here copper and iron framework how ever the floor
> joist were also coated to avoid galvanic corrosion.
>

What was the copper used for?

> The idea was given them by the owner of Brown & Root to overcome
> volta,however the shellac broke down and made the fiberglass
> insalation like a spunge and held the salt air moisture against the
> materials,causeing more damagein a shorter period of time.
>
> Fact is the galvanic corrosion made the buildings unsafe and were
> comdemed within ten years of exposure.

Cite?

>>
>> What was the purpose of these materials?
>
> A stupid request here does not warrant an answer
>>
>> The effect of salt moist air.
>
> galvanic corrosion,salt water vessels require a zinc plate be
> installed to keep this electroisis(VOLTA) from eating up the metal.as
> you have been taught that electricity follows the path of least
> resistance and eating away at the least resistant materials were
> quickly observed.

A simplistic version electrolytic corrosion.

>>
>> Concrete flooring corrosion.
>
> Yes the volta effect eat away the bonding agent in the insitu floor
> panels causing them to lose their ability to support anymore and the
> composit concrete turned to powder.

Cite references.

>>
>> Reduced life span of the buildings.
>
> Answer: the life span of the buildings were expected to last 200 years
> with out a major overhaul or replacement,but the metel matereals were
> eating them alive and made them only safe for 20 years.

Please cite references.

>>
>> When were the buildings condemned.
>>
>> Who condemned them.
>
> Answer: The Port Authority observed the major problem in early
> 1985.

References?

> Before they were condemed an idea to restore them to a safe
> environment,was to completly dissasemble them and rebuild them solving
> the galvanic corrosion problem.

References?

> these plans were scrapped because of
> asbestos lawsuit was a biggy for the US Government Army Corp of
> Engineers aka Brown & Root.
>

Brown & Root are the US Army Corp of Engineers?

> Killing two birds with one fix was to blow the building up with preset
> explosives(controled demolition) and to avoid any more asbestos
> lawsuits,they elected to blame it on terrorism.

Refs?

>The Butch
> Administration used this Fake claim to go to war,to protect our
> FREEDRUMs of oil.
>>
>> When were they evacuated.
>
> 2 months prior to 9 11 2001 the last of the leases expired.

Refs?

> no one was
> allowed into the buildings,except the demolition crews and the
> construction workers hired to get the buildings readied for
> demolition,the Israelli Art students were also there serving their
> time for a false charge of counter espianoge. The FEDS set them up
> claiming they were stealing important government documents.This gave
> an easy attachment to Israel and terrorism.

Credible references for all of the above please.

>>
>> Who organized the evacuation.
>
> The EPA organized the evacuation

Credible references please.

>>
>> Who witnessed the evacuation.
>
>
> ANSWER: The Port Authority Personel were amoung a few of the
> witnesses
>

Why only so few?

>
>>
>> Why were companies reported to be in occupation of the buildings if they
>> were empty.
>
> ANSWER : To make it look like business as usual.They were going to
> blow the builings up and blame it on Terrorism.Who would believe
> Terroist attacked an empty building?

Please explain how people were still working there?

>>
>> What were the Pentagon links.
>
> Answer: Killing three birds with one salution.
>
> The Federal Government was spending trillions of dollars of
> unaccounted for tax payers money on Black Flag Operations

And?

>>
>> What is the 'intelligence' link to the buildings.
>>
>> Who were these auditors?
>>
>> What/who they were auditing?
>>
>> What is the missing dollars from?
>>
>> Why would the buildings being destroyed have any connection with the
>> missing cash?
>>
>> Why is there no back up information of the missing cash?
>
> The Pentagram was being audited and all the records were kept in the
> newly renovated(set up for controled demolition) are that was supposed
> to be making it missile proof.

Please read the previous five question and answer them.

>>
>> What records were destroyed in WTC 7?
>>
>> Why were there no back up records?
>>
>> What has the VN war got to do with opium?

So no answer to these questions.

>> ===================================================
>>
>> How many tons/tonnes/lbs/Kgs of thermite/thermate was required to do
>> what you say?
>> Where was it placed in the buildings?
>> When was it placed there?
>> How was it placed there?
>> Who placed it there?
>> Are there any reports of any of the above?
>>
>> Please answer in your own words, but add credible links that back up
>> your answers.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

So again no answers.


> "IN MY OWN WORDS" REQUIRE ME TO SPELL THEM IN MY OWN MANNER
>
> You cant handle the truth this is why you claim the truth sites are
> not credible.
>
> So your going to have to accept my words as the gospel untill you can
> proove them wrong.
>
> NIST is not a credible site!
>

Well you answered a few of the question, but no real substance.

george152

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Jul 10, 2012, 4:01:10 PM7/10/12
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joeturn wrote:
> On Jul 10, 12:28 am, george152<gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>> joeturn wrote:
>>> galvanic corrosion,salt water vessels require a zinc plate be
>>> installed to keep this electroisis(VOLTA) from eating up the metal.as
>>> you have been taught that electricity follows the path of least
>>> resistance and eating away at the least resistant materials were
>>> quickly observed.
>>
>> Decoder ring definitely required.
>> Is he on about ships ?
>
> That was an elementary comparison bi george.Showing that while the
> salt water electrolosis was eating the outside of the ship and its
> engines parts,zink was added to deter the corrosion of the
> ship,because electricity in this casae would attack the lesser
> resistant metal first.After the zink plate was desolved by
> electrolisis,it had to be replaced quickly before the hull caved in
> due to electrolisis/galvanic volta.
>

So WTF has it to do with the WTC buildings.
They -were- grounded steel framed buildings NOT immersed in salt water

joeturn

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On Jul 10, 2:35 pm, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
> A Taxpayer who Votes for OBAMA is like a Chicken voting for Col. Sanders.http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/123755.jpg
>
> TRUTH. LEADERSHIP. SOLUTIONS.   OBAMA?   NON-SEQUITUR.
>
> http://www.libertylive.org/Uploads/The%20Debt%20Star.jpg
>         DEBTSTAR:: This is NOT the HOPE you have been Searching for.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I read that Obama is expecting to become president of the UN when his
reign is over in the USA.

He has given them access to all the gun owners identification through
required registration,when" Marshal Law "comes in effect the UN will
know excactly where everyone lives and if they have handed over their
fire arms already before the troops storms your house.

All them bunkers being built for people to hide in will most likely be
bombed by UAVs.They are loading up the countryside now with an
aresenal of UAVs said to be access from the war.However the Coast
Guard has been refurbished with an abundence of them said to be able
to locate a ship in distress or vessels hauling unregulated dope,but
is that the real reason they have soo many?

joeturn

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> They -were- grounded steel framed buildings NOT immersed in salt water- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_corrosion.html

BDK

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In article <e512abd6-8f27-44e8-86c7-
b4f46c...@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, joetu...@yahoo.com
says...
Joe, is there no kOOky claim so stupid you won't buy into it?

MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE

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Jul 13, 2012, 12:44:47 PM7/13/12
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...Obama is expecting...


What OBAMA *REALLY* expects,
like any LIB, principally the Unearned
which he too will find no longer retains any Value.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/secrets_of_the_american_nomenklatur
a.html
Secrets of the American Nomenklatura

With the rise of independent media, the secrets of the American
nomenklatura are coming into clearer focus, the shameless exploitation
of the good will and treasure of the people increasingly put on view for
all to see.

1. The media and the Democrats are joined at the hip and have
created a "hereditary celebrity class"

One of the fastest ways to celebrity and fortune (besides perhaps
going on Dancing with the Stars, being adopted into the Hilton or
Kardashian families and making a porn video) is to be the child of a
politician or a well connected political operative.
...

2. The political class views the taxpayers as cash cows to be milked
for their own benefit and the benefit of their friends , children and
contributors

Just days after Mead's plaint, we learned that the Department of
Energy blew even more money on a Robert Kennedy Jr. project, than it
did on the already well-known Solyndra fiasco.


3. The Supreme Court action on the three ObamaCare Cases it granted
certiori on this week might well encapsulate the principle that we
citizens are, in fact cash cows there for the federal government to
milk.

James DeLong in a brilliant article explains this development.



Does THIS look like a man with a plan?
http://www.wildsoundmovies.com/images/the_joker_burning_money.jpg
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/181779.png
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg

A: Yes it DOES.
Not JUST mistaken, but EVIL.


http://www.moonbattery.com/botchmen.jpg
BOTCHMAN APOTHEOISIS


LIBs. What PRICE their Vision?
---
LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of
Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
Values which one is willing to Betray.


DEMAND TRUTH.

george152

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Jul 13, 2012, 4:15:02 PM7/13/12
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whatreallyhappened was 19 insane islamists hijacked four airliners and
flew three into structures.
The fourth was flown into the ground when the pax attempted to take it back

joeturn

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On Jul 13, 9:40 am, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <e512abd6-8f27-44e8-86c7-
> b4f46c02d...@t20g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, joeturn2...@yahoo.com
> BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtNcJ1fkuRM

joeturn

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> The fourth was flown into the ground when the pax attempted to take it back- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

None of thoise 19 were killed

No parts of the 4 planes were ever found

Two of them are still flying the friendly skys

The pax never were!

MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE

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http://www.brandedmovie.com/

BRAND LIBERALISM as the Mental Parasite that it is
harming its host while feeding on your life.

BDK

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In article <7609cbda-1aac-492b-93b5-6c26db0afc94
@j4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, joetu...@yahoo.com says...
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! Whack-A-Doodle-Dooo!

george152

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joeturn wrote:

> None of thoise 19 were killed
>
> No parts of the 4 planes were ever found
>
> Two of them are still flying the friendly skys
>
> The pax never were!

Riiiight.
And the WTC is still standing.
And all those fire fighters didn't die

joeturn

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Jul 17, 2012, 7:10:22 AM7/17/12
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The only fire fighters that have died as a result of 911 was the first
responders being exposed to the thermate dust,the nanotubes of barium
nitrate and sulfur is still killing them.It is carcinogenic and
permanently affixed in their lungs.The 3000 deaths figure will
probably be a close estimate by the time all the people die off from
the exposure to the thermate dust!

The 54 fireme/people that got trapped in the stairwell was one of the
biggest lies to breakground that day!

Tony Dragon

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Jul 17, 2012, 1:40:20 PM7/17/12
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Please cite your proof that the first responders did not die when the
WTC fell.

Please cite your proof about thermate dust.

Please cite your proof about nano tubes.

Please cite your proof about Barium Nitrate.

Please cite your proof as to the expected number of deaths.

Please cite your proof that firemen did not die in the stairwell.

Please use your own words backed up by credible links where possible.

george152

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Jul 17, 2012, 3:54:11 PM7/17/12
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Your inability to learn earned you the title of slowjoe.
It appears I could add insanmejoe, dumbjoe or lowjoe as you go out of
your way to lie about 911

joeturn

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> Please use your own words backed up by credible links where possible.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Get bi-george to help you on this one. It will be a challenging
mentality for the both of you.Keep in mind the brain needs to be
exercised or it will never develope! I'll get you started.Do an
advanced search on nanotubes by author joeturn.log the links and
especially listen to the beanpod radio show

joeturn

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Jul 17, 2012, 5:40:22 PM7/17/12
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> your way to lie about 911- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://progressivecommentaryhour.podbean.com/2011/09/26/

george152

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Jul 17, 2012, 7:09:54 PM7/17/12
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So you're unable to reply to the points raised... colour me unsurprised

Tony Dragon

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So yet again you can not provide the answers.
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