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Muslim mother and son jailed for incest
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Mother and son jailed for incest
AFP
Wednesday, November 12, 2003
KUALA LUMPUR, November 12 - A mother and son were fined
and jailed by a Malaysian sharia court for committing
incest in the northeastern Kelantan state that is ruled
by the opposition Islamic Party (PAS), a report said
Wednesday.
Religious enforcement officers had caught Hasmah Mat
Adam, 49, and her son Mazlan Yahya, 22, having sexual
intercourse last month, the Star newspaper said.
"When they reached the house they found it locked from
inside. However they managed to peep through a crack in
the wooden wall of the house," sharia deputy public
prosecutor Suratemi Mat told the court. He said the
offence, which they both admitted, was "beyond human
decency and religion".
In addition to fines, Mazlan Yahya was sentenced to 20
months in jail and his mother for three months.
Muslims, who make up 60 percent of Malaysia's 23 million
people, are subject to Islamic Sharia law which covers
civil matters.
PAS has proposed introducing Islamic criminal laws
prescribing amputations and death by stoning to
criminalise illicit sex, drinking alcohol and
renunciation of Islam but the government rejected it.
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Brahma's Incest with His Daughter Sarasvati
by Mukesh Rao
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Brahma is the main god of the Hindu religion as expounded by the Smarta
pantheists. He is one of the Hindu (ie. Smarta) trinity of
Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva. Brahma is also Brahman, the Supreme Infinite God. Yet,
Vishnu is himself considered merely another manifestation of Brahman or
Brahma. Brahma in the form of Prajapati is the creator of the Universe in
the Vedic religion. He is hence the most important Vaidik god, towering like
a colossus above Vishnu and Rudra (later on Rudra was identified with the
Dravidian Shiva). The beastly behaviour of this God is thus especially
significant, and shows how the rotten nature of Hinduism extends to the very
foundation.
Brahma's Incest With Sarasvati
The savage Vedic Aryans who invaded India practiced widespread incest,
cannibalism, sati and other barbarities. It is hence no surprise that the
main Vedic god also displayed animal characteristics. He had incest with his
own daughter, an act that is perfectly legal in Vedic law :
" Brahma is one of the 3 main gods - Trimurti - of the Hindu pantheon. He is
the creator of the universe. Sarasvati, who became the wife of her own
father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are 2 stories about her genesis in
the `Saraswati Purana'. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter
Saraswati direct from his `vital strength' or seminal fluid. The other is
that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated
fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi. Brahma's semen in the
pot gave birth to the sage Agastya, and Agastya in turn gave birth to
Saraswati. Thus, Saraswati had no mother.
" This daughter or grand-daughter of Brahma is the Hindu goddess of
learning. When Brahma saw the beauty of Saraswati he became amorous. To
escape from her father's passionate approach Saraswati ran to the lands in
all four directions, but she could not escape from her father. She succumbed
to Brahma's wish. Brahma and his daughter Saraswati lived as husband and
wife indulging in incest for 100 years. They had a son Swayambhumaru and a
daughter Satarupa. THrough the incest of Brahma's son and daughter Brahma
got two grandsons and two grand-daughters."
( Kovoor, p.76 )
The legend is given in the following `sacred' Vedic texts ( Spellman,
p.28 ):
Aitareya Brahmana.III.33
Satapatha Brahmana.I.7.4.1ff; XIV, 4.2.1ff;
Matsya Purana.III.32 ff;
Bhagavata Purana.III.12.28ff.
Justification of Incest
In all these `holy' scriptures, this act of unrestrained incest is justified
and upheld as a legal act !
" Brahma followed Savitri [ Sarasvati ], married her, and they lived
together in a lotus for one hundred years. The Purana [ Matsya ] then points
out that no question arises regarding prohibited acts of the gods since they
do not reap the fruits of their karma (actions) as do mortals. A further
justification of Brahma's action is given by noting that Brahma is the lord
of the Vedas and Savitri is the goddess of the Vedas. They therefore are
inseparable, and to unite the Vedas with the sacred prayer can surely be no
evil."
( Spellman, p.30 )
However, the Vedas, which carry far more authority than the Puranic and
Brahmanic texts cited above, enjoin this practice. Incest, far from being a
`corruption' introduced after the Vedic Dark Ages, was thus a common
practice during that age of barbarism and illiteracy, and is a Hindu
institution perfectly sanctioned in the Vedas.
Vedic Sanction of Incest
One of the most irrefutable facts proving that Hinduism is evil right at its
very foundation is the fact that the Vedas justify the beastly act of incest
as a `sacred act'. This was no doubt an outcome of the strict practice of
`brahmacharya' which produced hoards of sexually starved psychopathic
sadhus. It is these mad sadhu Brahmins, the authors of the concocted Vedas,
who justified and legalised incast. Indeed, the Vedas enjoin incest as a
kind of marriage. This fact was utilised by Brahma when convincing his
daughter Sarasvati (also known as Padma) to succumb to his unlimited lust :
" 8. On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He
wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her. How could a daughter
give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his
desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing
wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving
birth to a child. "
-- ( Puran )
This is the Vedic verse in Sanskrit which justifies incest and which was
quoted by Brahma :
"Mathara Mupathya, susara Mupatithe, Puthrartheetha.
Sagamarthi, Napathra loka, nasthee thath.
Saravam paravo vindu ha, dasmath Puthrar tham.
Matharam suransathee Rehathee"
- ( Veda, cited in Puran )
Tranlated this verse means
" For the sake of a child one can enjoy his own sister or daughter, without
any sin attached to it. "
( Puran )
There are other abundant examples of incest from the Vedic age. These prove
that the Vedic Aryans regularly practiced incest of the father-daughter type
and the brother-sister type ( Sita ). Moreover, the Vedas fully legalise
this abominable practice. These evil practices continued right throughout
the Brahmanic Dark Ages of 2599 years (1500 BC - 1000 AD). Thus, for
example, Rama maried his sister Sita when she was still only 6 years old (
Sitaram ).
Brahma's Beatiality with a Bear
Brahma, the main god of the Vedic religion, was so lecherous that he was not
satisfied with his own daughter. In fact, feelings of lust crept up when he
saw even females of animal species ! He was so frustrated that he copulated
with a bear :
" 11. Brahma started roaming about in forests. He happened to see a female
bear in a bush. Brahma would not leave it. He went straight to the bear. The
female bear yielded to Brahma's lust. God Brahma enjoyed the bear, and a
human being with the head of a bear was born. He was called Jambu Vandan,
the son of Brahma.
( Puran )
Other examples of beastiality abound. The Vedic Ashvamedha involved the
Chief Hindu Aryan Queen copulating with a dead horse ! Rama's mother herself
copulated with a dead horse during the asvamedha ceremony of King Dasaratha,
after which she was handed over to the disciples of the officiating Brahmin,
one of whom fathered Ram. Thus, Rama was illegitimate ( Mother ) ( Ram ).
Birth of Vasishta
Vasistha, so acclaimed as a sage, was the son of a prostitute, and thus
fulfilled the dictionary definition of `bastardness'.
" 9. Brahma succeeded in convincing his daughter with the help of the Veda
and enjoyed her. Brahma's semen entered the womb of his daughter. But
somehow, for reasons not known he sucked back his semen from the womb of his
daughter, through his own penis...
" 12. Then Brahma met Urvasi a divine prostitute. He was erotically aroused
by her beauty. He wooed her and had sex with her on a condition. Accordingly
after enjoying her, he pumped back the semen sucked from the womb of his
daughter Padma into the womb of Urvasi. The child born was named Vasista.
Brahma transferred his powers to Vasista and went away to perform penance
for his sinful sexual exploits."
( Puran )
Birth of Agastya
Agastya, the priest who helped Rama during his genocidal invasion of South
India, did not have any mother. He simply sprang out of Brahma's semen that
had accumulated :
" 1. Brahma acted as a priest to officiate the marriage of god Paramasiva
with Parvathi. When Parvathi went round the sacred fire (Omakundam) she held
up the end of her apron in her left hand. It enabled Brahma to have a clear
look at Parvathi's thighs. On seeing her thighs, Brahma ejaculated his semen
in a vessel nearby. Agasthiar was delivered out of the vessel!
2. When Parvathi came around the sacred fire Brahma was once again blessed,
with the beautiful sight of her thighs and he once again ejaculated. This
time a number of saints (Rishis) were born in no time. Of them Valkilliyatha
was one.
3. As Brahma left the place after the marriage, he once again secreted the
semen and dripped it on the ashes of a graveyard. A Rakshasa named
Pooricharavanan was born.
4. Brahma collected some bones from a burial ground and ejaculated on the
heap of the bones. Instantly a brave and strong man called Salliyan was
born.
5. As he left the grave yard a little quantity of semen spilled on the
ground. A bird appeared there and pecked at the semen of Brahma. The bird
became pregnant and gave birth to a man called sakuni.
6. Then god Brahma went to a tank. He pumped a little of his semen there. A
frog came and swallowed the semen of Brahma. The frog gave birth to a female
child called Mandothari.
7. At last Brahma emptied the last drops of his semen on a lotus flower in a
tank. The lotus flower became pregnant and gave birth to a female child
called Padma. "
( Puran )
Surely, Brahma was a good guide for the debauched Brahmins enjoying
themselves with thousands of Aboriginal Devadasis in their huge
whorehouse-temples ! It is in these brothel-mandirs that Sanskrit arose as a
mongrel language, the bastard offspring of the nomadic gruntings of Old
Indo-Aryan and the Dravidian langauges. Indeed, more than 30 % of Sanskrit
vocabulary is of Dravidian origin ! The common Sanskrit ending -am (as in
Kalpakkam) is also derived from Dravidian, as are the cerebral consonants.
Indeed, in all ways in which Sanskrit deviates from the Indo-Aryan
mainstream it is Dravidian influence which is almost definitely at work.
The impact of Brahma can be seen today in all parts of Hindu India : the
incidence of fathers raping their daughters is higher in Hindu Bharat than
in any other country of the world ! If a girl is not killed in Vedic female
infanticide, she has to face the lustful advances of her debauched Hindu
father ! And to top it all, such acts of infantilism are legalised in the
Vedas ! That is all done before she is 9 years old, at which time she is
married as per the Manu-Smrti. After that she may be burnt for dowry. If she
by some miracle survives that, she is burnt as a widow ! The life of a Hindu
woman is merely a series of tortures and rapings !
Shiva cuts of Brahman's Head
Shiva, the Dravidian God, was naturally enraged at this profligate conduct
of the savage Aryan Brahma. Hence, he cut of Brahma's head :
" 10. The news about god Brahma and his lustful extravagances reached the
ears of king of devas-Devendra. He was excited and sent Thilothama, a
dancing girl of Devalok, to dance before Brahma. She did so. Much enamoured
of the beauty of Thilothama Brahma followed Thilothama to rape her. God
Eswara observed the madness of Brahma. He got angry and cut away one of the
heads of Brahma."
( Puran )
This is another mythologization of the eternal conflict betwwen Negroid
Sudras and Caucasoid Aryans symbolised by the conflict between the Sudra god
Shiva and the Aryan god Brahma (or Brahman, or Vishnu).
Legalised incest between father-daughter and brother-sister as depicted by
the beastliness of the supreme Hindu God Brahma is merely one manifestation
of the cess-pit of Vedic Hinduism masquerading as a religion. Cannibalism,
urine-drinking, dung-eating, castration of Aboriginal males (Hijrah cult),
sati (widow-burning), devadasism (Aryan Hindu sexploitation of Abroginal
women), human sacrifice (purushamedha), Kautilyan totalitarianism and
apartheid (varnashrama dharma) are some of the other gruesome gifts of
Hinduism to the world.
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References
( Kovoor ) - `Gods, Demons and Spirits' , Dr. Abraham T. Kovoor, Jaico
Publishing House, Bombay 1990.
( Mother ) = `Rama's Mother's Beastiality with a Horse', by Kandu
Velmurugan, Telingana Nadu Journal, Hyderabad 1999.
( Puran ) - `Puranography or Pornography?' , Modern Rationalist, Vol. 23
(April 1998), No.4,
( Ram ) - `Rama the Great Bastard', by Kandu Velmurugan, Telingana Nadu
Journal, Hyderabad 1999.
( Sita ) - `Oppression of Women in Indo-Aryan Societies' , by Sita
Kaushalya.
( Sitaram ) = `Rama's Incest with His Sister Sita' , by Babu Jambulingam,
Telingana Nadu Journal, Hyderabad 1999.
( Spell ) - `Introduction' to Richard Burton's Kamasutra `The Kama Sutra of
Vatsyayana', transl. Sir Richard F. Burton, Introduction by John W.
Spellman., Penguin Books India, Ltd. 1993.
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Notes to Electronic Edition
( Puran ) was web-published in 1998 at http://www.periyar.org/mr/984mr12.htm
( Mother ) - http://www.freespeech.org/delhi/teling/i-r/ram_mhor.html
( Ram ) - http://www.freespeech.org/delhi/teling/i-r/ram_bast.html"
( Sita ) - http://www.freespeech.org/delhi/teling/i-r/ram_sita.html
Dalitstan Journal,
Volume 2, Issue 6, Dec. 2000
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <use...@mantra.com> wrote in message
news:Muslim-terroris...@news.mantra.com...
Islam allows all kinds of relationships among family members. So long
as they are not explicitly written out as crimes and condemned as
crimes in the Sharia. For example, the Prophet (PBUH) himself took up
his daughter-in-law as a wife. In fact, he forced his adopted son to
give up his wife so that he (the Prophet) could satisfy his lust for
her. Hahaha!! I am sure, western law would consider that illicit. But
for us Muslims the same act is holy as it was carried out by the
Prophet (PBUH) himself.
Besides, you are a Hindu, who does not know anything about Islam and
Sharia, so quit posting these malicious tales. In fact as another
example, Islam allows marriage among first cousins. The resulting
sexual relationship is not considered incest by the Sharia. However, a
similar relationship would certainly be considered incest and
punishable by law under both Hindu and Judeo-Christian religions. So
an act that one religion considers as an illicit relationship, another
religion (Islam, in this case) might sanctify the very same act.
Yours educatingly,
Gazi Baba 1971
use...@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in message news:<Muslim-terroris...@news.mantra.com>...
You are certainly not Muslim, or maybe a Muslim but too idiot.
"Gazi Baba 1971" <gazi_ba...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e6e67500.03111...@posting.google.com...
> Bullshit!!! If a mother and son slept together, what crime was
> commited according to the Sharia?? The Sharia does not mention
> anything about mother-son incest. So if it is not mentioned in the
> Sharia, how can one decide if it is a crime or not? and what
> punishment to mete out for committing that act? Malaysian's follow a
> very loose and corrupt form of Islam and the Sharia, which creates
> these problems in the first place.
Doesn't mention?? LOL.... is this a joke or what?
> Islam allows all kinds of relationships among family members. So long
> as they are not explicitly written out as crimes and condemned as
> crimes in the Sharia. For example, the Prophet (PBUH) himself took up
> his daughter-in-law as a wife. In fact, he forced his adopted son to
> give up his wife so that he (the Prophet) could satisfy his lust for
> her. Hahaha!! I am sure, western law would consider that illicit. But
> for us Muslims the same act is holy as it was carried out by the
> Prophet (PBUH) himself.
Oohh clearly now..... you are confirmed idiot, worse liar.
>
> Besides, you are a Hindu, who does not know anything about Islam and
> Sharia, so quit posting these malicious tales. In fact as another
> example, Islam allows marriage among first cousins. The resulting
> sexual relationship is not considered incest by the Sharia. However, a
> similar relationship would certainly be considered incest and
> punishable by law under both Hindu and Judeo-Christian religions. So
> an act that one religion considers as an illicit relationship, another
> religion (Islam, in this case) might sanctify the very same act.
>
> Yours educatingly,
Yea... educate yourselves first
Whats bullshitting about muhhamad fucking his 6 year old daughter. read the
koran one more time and ask your mulla if ayesha was muhhamad's daughter or
not. If ayesha was not his daughter then how he could manage to bring her
in the house with no other adults around.
Hey, Fairplay must have forgotten to cut-and-paste this one from Hindustan
Times at SCM. Birds of a feather gather together eh, Jai Maharaj?:))
BTW there's a "poison newsgroup" message when I try to post through CIS.
Says a lot for the groups taken out, eh?
Wah..engko dah "globalise" yer....
Sejak menghilang diri...engko pi betapa
kat sebuah kelong dimuara Seget, untuk
tambahkan "ilmu" yer?...
> BTW there's a "poison newsgroup" message when I try to post through CIS.
> Says a lot for the groups taken out, eh?
Itu scm kan...
Racun!!!!! LOL
Thanks.
Gazi Baba 1971
"Stand-Up Kid" <trip...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:<3fb585d2$1...@news.tm.net.my>...
What is this "eh" word you keep writing in your posts? Are you trying
to sound like an American? I thought that was forbidden by your
Islamic religion.
Malyasian muslim swine such as you scream loud against corrupt
American influence on your 7th century societies and then leave no
stone unturned in picking up American lingo, eh? <--- Hahaha
You are such a joke, Ahmed. You should be ashamed of yourself. Why
don't you kill yourself?
Your dear friend,
Gazi Baba 1971
Ahmad Sayuthi <say...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<Xns9434BF...@130.133.1.4>...
> Hey Ahmed,
"Ahmad"
> What is this "eh" word you keep writing in your posts? Are you trying
> to sound like an American? I thought that was forbidden by your
> Islamic religion.
Oh, it's Kelantanese.
> Malyasian muslim swine such as you scream loud against corrupt
> American influence on your 7th century societies and then leave no
> stone unturned in picking up American lingo, eh? <--- Hahaha
Muahaha!!
> You are such a joke, Ahmed.
Thanks! It's nice to make people laugh, eh?<--- Hahaha!
> You should be ashamed of yourself. Why
> don't you kill yourself?
I have no shame, Ghazi Baba 1971.
Anyway, *you* should come and try to kill me. Can you oblige me with this?
Or are you plain chicken?
> Your dear friend,
>
> Gazi Baba 1971
Ditto,
Ahmad Sayuthi 1984
No. Ahmed!!!!!
>
> > What is this "eh" word you keep writing in your posts? Are you trying
> > to sound like an American? I thought that was forbidden by your
> > Islamic religion.
>
> Oh, it's Kelantanese.
Yeah, right. "Oh" is also Kelantanese, I guess.
> > Malyasian muslim swine such as you scream loud against corrupt
> > American influence on your 7th century societies and then leave no
> > stone unturned in picking up American lingo, eh? <--- Hahaha
>
> Muahaha!!
>
> > You are such a joke, Ahmed.
>
> Thanks! It's nice to make people laugh, eh?<--- Hahaha!
Sure, dickhead.
>
> > You should be ashamed of yourself. Why
> > don't you kill yourself?
>
> I have no shame, Ghazi Baba 1971.
> Anyway, *you* should come and try to kill me. Can you oblige me with this?
> Or are you plain chicken?
Hey man, I am not going to come to that hell hole called Malaysia just
to wipe out a swine like you. The old memory of Malaysia is already
churing my bile. About a decade ago I was in a Malaysian port one,
working illegally as a deck hand on a merchant vessel. And I fucked a
malaysian prostitute, she was the ugliest thing I have dicked and it
turned out she had her periods going on. What a fucking mess! I swore
then and there never to go anywhere near such a vile place. But thanks
for the offer., though.
Gee! His daughter?
How about some education for you?
>> > Hey Ahmed,
>>
>> "Ahmad"
>
> No. Ahmed!!!!!
You need to have your eyes checked, Gazi Baba 1971.
>> Oh, it's Kelantanese.
> Yeah, right. "Oh" is also Kelantanese, I guess.
Possibly. I'll go and check. Oh, don't go anywhere now<-- Hahaha!
>> > You are such a joke, Ahmed.
>>
>> Thanks! It's nice to make people laugh, eh?<--- Hahaha!
>
> Sure, dickhead.
Sure *what*, Gazi Baba?
>> I have no shame, Ghazi Baba 1971.
>> Anyway, *you* should come and try to kill me. Can you oblige me with
>> this? Or are you plain chicken?
>
>
> Hey man, I am not going to come to that hell hole called Malaysia just
> to wipe out a swine like you.
Do I sense fear here?
*chick chick chick*
> The old memory of Malaysia is already
> churing my bile. About a decade ago I was in a Malaysian port one,
> working illegally as a deck hand on a merchant vessel.
This story is predictable: You got arrested, held at detention centre for
illegals for a few months and then booted out of the country... Can't blame
Malaysia for there *are* immigration laws everywhere in the world.
> And I fucked a
> malaysian prostitute, she was the ugliest thing I have dicked and it
> turned out she had her periods going on. What a fucking mess! I swore
> then and there never to go anywhere near such a vile place. But thanks
> for the offer., though.
You must have been really desperate. And ugly. And poor too.
Some of us more blessed guys don't have to pay for sex. In fact, women come
after us; as they do with me.
> Your dear friend,
Ahmad Sayuthi 1984
No, you need to calm down, fuckhead. This Ahmet, Ahmed, etc.. shit is
really bothering you, is it? Okay I won't do that again. Happy, Ahmad.
>
> >> Oh, it's Kelantanese.
>
> > Yeah, right. "Oh" is also Kelantanese, I guess.
>
> Possibly. I'll go and check. Oh, don't go anywhere now<-- Hahaha!
>
> >> > You are such a joke, Ahmed.
> >>
> >> Thanks! It's nice to make people laugh, eh?<--- Hahaha!
> >
> > Sure, dickhead.
>
> Sure *what*, Gazi Baba?
I am agreeing with you. That is what *sure* means, dumbass. See now I
don't like being nice anymore. I will start with Ahmet again.
> >> I have no shame, Ghazi Baba 1971.
> >> Anyway, *you* should come and try to kill me. Can you oblige me with
> >> this? Or are you plain chicken?
> >
> >
> > Hey man, I am not going to come to that hell hole called Malaysia just
> > to wipe out a swine like you.
>
> Do I sense fear here?
>
> *chick chick chick*
Oh, do you? You can call your mommy. But I guess her ugly face will
scare you even more.
> > The old memory of Malaysia is already
> > churing my bile. About a decade ago I was in a Malaysian port one,
> > working illegally as a deck hand on a merchant vessel.
>
> This story is predictable: You got arrested, held at detention centre for
> illegals for a few months and then booted out of the country... Can't blame
> Malaysia for there *are* immigration laws everywhere in the world.
Exactly! But I paid a Malay officer a few bucks and got out, no
problems. The guy was thanking me profusely and even wanted to carry
my bags back to the ship. Malaysia is way too corrupt then other
places, I guess.
> > And I fucked a
> > malaysian prostitute, she was the ugliest thing I have dicked and it
> > turned out she had her periods going on. What a fucking mess! I swore
> > then and there never to go anywhere near such a vile place. But thanks
> > for the offer., though.
>
> You must have been really desperate. And ugly. And poor too.
> Some of us more blessed guys don't have to pay for sex. In fact, women come
> after us; as they do with me.
Women chasing you? Hey man, this is usenet, not one of your wet
dreams. wake up! And by the way, dumbass, if I was poor how would I
ever pay for sex?
Yours friendly,
Gazi Baba 1971