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torresD

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But the Atrash family has no reliable
means to do so because the Israeli
government refuses to allow 80,000
Bedouin Arabs to be connected to the power,
water or sewerage infrastructure on the
grounds that their villages are illegal -

even though many have stood since
before the modern Israeli state existed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1558902,00.html
Arabs fights for power to save cancer victim

Legal bid to get electricity
for Bedouin girl in 'illegal'
village

Chris McGreal in Sawa
Tuesday August 30, 2005
The Guardian


The electricity pylons that could
mean the difference between life
and death for Ennas al-Atrash are
dotted a few hundred yards from the
little girl's village in Israel's
Negev desert.

But the residents of Sawa are Bedouin
Arabs whose village is deemed "unrecognised"
by the state,

and so they are deprived of the
basic services that Ennas's doctors
say are essential if the frail
three-year-old is to have a
chance of survival.

Ennas was diagnosed with cancer in
her chest cavity in January and subjected
to weeks of chemotherapy and two operations.

She was sent home to recover with
a daily injection of medicine to
boost her collapsed immune system.

The drug has to be stored at a steady
temperature between zero degrees and
4C (32F-39F).

But the Atrash family has no reliable
means to do so because the Israeli
government refuses to allow 80,000
Bedouin Arabs to be connected to the power,
water or sewerage infrastructure on the
grounds that their villages are illegal -

even though many have stood since
before the modern Israeli state existed.

It has made no difference that Ennas's father,
Yusuf, is a doctor in Israel's state health
system who treats other, more fortunate,
children while his own daughter's health
is hostage to politics.

"We put her drugs into a plastic bag
and pack it with ice cubes to try to
keep it cool.

We're not sure it keeps it
the right temperature," he said.

Last week, Ennas,
who has lost her hair and is said
by her mother to be terrified of
going to hospital,

fell victim to secondary infections
and underwent another operation.

The doctors say she needs radiotherapy
and more drugs to boost her immune system.

But the family still has no proper refrigeration.

The Atrash family shares a
generator with four other homes,
but the cost of running it
constantly is so high -

about £900 a month, which is the
average monthly wage in Israel -
that it is turned on for only
four hours each evening.

The family says its last hope is a
petition to Israel's highest court
to be heard on Thursday.

"We're arguing that the right to life
and health are among basic human rights
and these cannot be violated on what
is basically a planning issue based
on discrimination against the
Arab-Bedouin minority,"
said the family's lawyer, Sonia Boulos.

Yosef Kaploshnik,
the head of paediatric oncology
at the Be'er Sheva hospital where
Ennas is treated,

has written to the court saying that
electricity is needed not only to
store medicines,

but to provide air-conditioning as
protection against the sweltering
summer heat that can trigger lethal
secondary infections.

"I believe that if we were living
in a better situation, my daughter
would be responding in a better
way to the treatment," said Dr Atrash.

"Certainly, she wouldn't be
suffering from these other infections.

They are making her general condition worse."

Dr Atrash spent months pleading
with government departments.

Officials said they were constrained by the law,
although this has not stopped the infrastructure
ministry from providing power,

water and roads to Jewish outposts
in the West Bank which are also
regarded as illegal.

"The electric company told us that,
according to the law,

we needed all
sorts of permits from the local planning committee,
but because they do not recognise that our
village exists there is no local planning
committee," he said.

So Dr Atrash turned to the interior ministry,
which is responsible for implementing the
decision that Bedouin villages are "unrecognised".

At first,
it recommended that he should
move to a "legal" village.

But the doctor, who was born in
Sawa and whose family has lived
there for generations,

said he relied on his relatives
living nearby to care for his
five other children when Ennas
was in hospital.

Yesterday,
the interior minister,
Ofir Pines Paz,

told the Guardian he was
"taking care of the case"
but could not give details.

His officials said the interior ministry
had written to the infrastructure ministry
a month ago,

saying that it had legal authority
in the issue and asking it to do
something.

A spokeswoman for the
infrastructure ministry,
Tami Skinkman, said yesterday:

"My minister dealt with the problem.

He gave an order to connect the house
to the electricity because he felt
it was a matter of life or death.

But, unfortunately,
he doesn't have the final authority
so the house hasn't been connected.

The law is above him."

Asked who does have the final authority,
Ms Skinkman said:

"Probably the courts."

torresD

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Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.
But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?

How does Israel justify its existence as a Democratic nation,
at all, when it does not treat all of its people equally?

It's ridiculous on its face.

kevin hollingsworth

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Sep 2, 2005, 12:43:31 PM9/2/05
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Why not invest in a cheap wind powered dynamo....?

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torresD

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I don't know why not.
But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
and couldn't get the help I needed because
the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.

"kevin hollingsworth" <kevin.h0l...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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torresD

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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:39:16 GMT, "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Robin Hood Zoro

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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:39:16 GMT, "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>But the Atrash family has no reliable

Jewcy

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"torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know why not.
> But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
> If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
> and couldn't get the help I needed because
> the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.

Your third sentence doesn't make any sense.

Jewcy

torresD

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>
> "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:oo%Re.5691$9i4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> I don't know why not.
>> But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
>> If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
>> and couldn't get the help I needed because
>> the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.
>
> Your third sentence doesn't make any sense.

If this was Jewish child, living in Israel, would
that child confront this dire situation?

docremington

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Sep 2, 2005, 1:09:54 PM9/2/05
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torresD wrote:
> I don't know why not.
> But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
> If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
> and couldn't get the help I needed because
> the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.
>

Emigrate to Jordan. It is a bedouin country with a healthy helping of
palisimians. Besides, a jewish electric power is jewish and, as such,
is harram.

docremington

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Sep 2, 2005, 1:13:41 PM9/2/05
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torresD wrote:
> "Jewcy" <nightc...@hottubbin.com> wrote in message
> news:431884f3$1...@alt.athenanews.com...
> >
> > "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:oo%Re.5691$9i4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >> I don't know why not.
> >> But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
> >> If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
> >> and couldn't get the help I needed because
> >> the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.
> >
> > Your third sentence doesn't make any sense.
>
> If this was Jewish child, living in Israel, would
> that child confront this dire situation?
>


Like how?

docremington

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Sep 2, 2005, 1:21:48 PM9/2/05
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kevin hollingsworth wrote:
> Why not invest in a cheap wind powered dynamo....?
>

They are busy having five-to-six wives, a platoon of children and a
full-time occupation of bankrupting israeli social security.

Jewcy

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"torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jewcy" <nightc...@hottubbin.com> wrote in message
> news:431884f3$1...@alt.athenanews.com...
> >
> > "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:oo%Re.5691$9i4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >> I don't know why not.
> >> But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
> >> If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
> >> and couldn't get the help I needed because
> >> the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.
> >
> > Your third sentence doesn't make any sense.
>
> If this was Jewish child, living in Israel, would
> that child confront this dire situation?

No, but why are they there, illegally?

fla...@verizon.net

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For once, I wish someone had left her drivel intact - I am sure she is lying
again....

Susan

jr...@hotmail.com

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torresD wrote:
> Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.
> But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
> allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
> she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
> according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
> make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?
>
> How does Israel justify its existence as a Democratic nation,
> at all, when it does not treat all of its people equally?
>
> It's ridiculous on its face.
>
>
> But the Atrash family has no reliable
> means to do so because the Israeli
> government refuses to allow 80,000
> Bedouin Arabs to be connected to the power,
> water or sewerage infrastructure on the
> grounds that their villages are illegal -

Here is an idea.

Why don't you, with a bunch of idiots like you, take a ride to
somewhere in the middle of nowevere - a national park would be a good
place to start.

Then setup a tent camp and claim it to be your village.

Then call up to the government to provide you with electricity, water,
etc.

Report the results of your observations to this NG.

Jaroslav

Jewcy

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Here is an idea.

Jaroslav
-------------

LOL!

Jewcy

dsha...@hotmail.com

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Sep 2, 2005, 2:48:17 PM9/2/05
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>torresD wrote:
>>Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.

It is.

>>But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
>>allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
>>she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
>>according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
>>make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?

Hmmmmm....maybe her parents can't afford it. Not all nations can afford
treating their poor as well as America treats her poor -- and the poor
of other nations flocking ILLEGALLY into the country to batten off
American taxpayers.

>>How does Israel justify its existence as a Democratic nation,
>>at all, when it does not treat all of its people equally?

And America does?

jr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>Here is an idea.
>Why don't you, with a bunch of idiots like you, take a ride to
>somewhere in the middle of nowevere - a national park would be a good
>place to start.
>Then setup a tent camp and claim it to be your village.
>Then call up to the government to provide you with electricity, water,
>etc.
>Report the results of your observations to this NG.
>Jaroslav

Good one. Except......

That's about what American citizens have been reduced to in New
Orleans, who couldn't afford to evacuate. Their continuing need for the
very basics should make it clear, if it has not already, that Bushites
are more concerned with "bringing democracy" (to people who would never
notice its absence), AND throwing $$American taxpayer $$billions at
freeloading illegal aliens, than they are in providing food and water
-- let alone electricity -- to American citizens who are in far more
needy circumstances than these poor Pallies over whom Torres is
shedding the usual crocodile tears.

Deborah

dsha...@hotmail.com

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Sep 2, 2005, 2:51:21 PM9/2/05
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>>"torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:oo%Re.5691$9i4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>I don't know why not.
>>>But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
>>>If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
>>>and couldn't get the help I needed because
>>>the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.

>"Jewcy" <nightc...@hottubbin.com> wrote in message
>news:431884f3$1...@alt.athenanews.com...
>>Your third sentence doesn't make any sense.

torresD wrote:
>If this was Jewish child, living in Israel, would
>that child confront this dire situation?

Dianne's fourth sentence doesn't make any sense either.

Deborah

Dan Smith

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<dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >torresD wrote:
>>>Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.
>
> It is.
>
>>>But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
>>>allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
>>>she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
>>>according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
>>>make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?
>
> Hmmmmm....maybe her parents can't afford it. Not all nations can afford
> treating their poor as well as America treats her poor -- and the poor
> of other nations flocking ILLEGALLY into the country to batten off
> American taxpayers.
>

The report said the childs father was a doctor so he could pay for services
if the planning authorities allowed the village to be connected. The real
reason is the attitude of one of the other posters here move to Jordan.
Israel is trying to force it's arab minority out to other countries, that
may be less violent than Milosovic's ethnic cleansing but it is a terrible
thing nonethe less.

>>>How does Israel justify its existence as a Democratic nation,
>>>at all, when it does not treat all of its people equally?
>
> And America does?
>
> jr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>Here is an idea.
>>Why don't you, with a bunch of idiots like you, take a ride to
>>somewhere in the middle of nowevere - a national park would be a good
>>place to start.
>>Then setup a tent camp and claim it to be your village.
>>Then call up to the government to provide you with electricity, water,
>>etc.
>>Report the results of your observations to this NG.
>>Jaroslav
>
> Good one. Except......
>

Good one but that is what 240,000 jew have done since 1967 they are called
settelments some the Israeli government recognise as legal some even they
see as illegal, but they seem to get faccilities hooked up without
difficulty, The village in question has been there since pre 1948.

brutus

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"torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jewcy" <nightc...@hottubbin.com> wrote in message
> news:431884f3$1...@alt.athenanews.com...
>>
>> "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:oo%Re.5691$9i4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>> I don't know why not.
>>> But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
>>> If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
>>> and couldn't get the help I needed because
>>> the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.
>>
>> Your third sentence doesn't make any sense.
>
> If this was Jewish child, living in Israel, would
> that child confront this dire situation?

Definitely not. He would get blown to bits by a suicide bomber as he and
his family ate pizza.

Brutus


Deborah Sharavi

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>>>torresD wrote:
>>>>Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.

>>It is.

>>>>But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
>>>>allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
>>>>she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
>>>>according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
>>>>make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?

>>Hmmmmm....maybe her parents can't afford it. Not all nations can afford
>>treating their poor as well as America treats her poor -- and the poor
>>of other nations flocking ILLEGALLY into the country to batten off
>>American taxpayers.

Dan Smith wrote:
>The report said the childs father was a doctor so he could pay for services
>if the planning authorities allowed the village to be connected. The real
>reason is the attitude of one of the other posters here move to Jordan.

The "report" is an article from The Guardian, written by one Chris
MacGreal, who is somewhat less than reliable when it comes to
"facts" on the Middle East.

>Israel is trying to force it's arab minority out to other countries, that
>may be less violent than Milosovic's ethnic cleansing but it is a terrible
>thing nonethe less.

Very funny. If Israel is driving out its Arab minority, do explain how
it is that the numbers of Israel's Arab minority happen to be
enjoying an explosive population growth.

>>>>How does Israel justify its existence as a Democratic nation,
>>>>at all, when it does not treat all of its people equally?

>>And America does?

>>jr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>Here is an idea.
>>>Why don't you, with a bunch of idiots like you, take a ride to
>>>somewhere in the middle of nowevere - a national park would be a good
>>>place to start.
>>>Then setup a tent camp and claim it to be your village.
>>>Then call up to the government to provide you with electricity, water,
>>>etc.
>>>Report the results of your observations to this NG.
>>>Jaroslav

>>Good one. Except......

>Good one but that is what 240,000 jew have done since 1967 they are called
>settelments some the Israeli government recognise as legal some even they
>see as illegal, but they seem to get faccilities hooked up without
>difficulty, The village in question has been there since pre 1948.

The village in question has been there since quite a bit before 1948.
Prior to its (very recent habitation) by Israeli bedouin, it was a Xian
monastic settlement, destroyed by Arabs. The site has further been
identified with that of biblical Yeshua, in Nehemiah, settled by Jews
returning from Babylon (below). Herodian edifices have also been
identified that were in use in Roman and Byzantine times. (Woolley and
Lawrence, 1914/15; Fritz-Kempinski, 1983; V. Fritz, German
Archaeological Institute in Jerusalem; others.)

"As for the villages and their surrounding fields: some of the people
of Judah lived in Kiryat-Arba and its villages, in Jekabzeel and its
villages, and in YESHUA and in Moladah and Beth-pelet, in Hazar-shual,
in Beer-sheba and its villages, in Ziklag, in Meconah and its villages,
in En-rimmon, in Zorah, in Jarmuth, Zanoah, Adullam, and their
villages, Lachish and its fields, and Azekah and its villages. So they
camped from Be'er-Sheva as far as the Hinnom Valley." Nehemiah 11.25-30

Deborah

Warhol

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They are the greatest liars, all what they are


"torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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jr...@hotmail.com

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And don't forget to pay your local taxes for starters.

Ben Cramer

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Works for the settlers.


jr...@hotmail.com

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Dan Smith wrote:
> <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1125686897.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > >torresD wrote:
> >>>Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.
> >
> > It is.
> >
> >>>But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
> >>>allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
> >>>she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
> >>>according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
> >>>make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?
> >
> > Hmmmmm....maybe her parents can't afford it. Not all nations can afford
> > treating their poor as well as America treats her poor -- and the poor
> > of other nations flocking ILLEGALLY into the country to batten off
> > American taxpayers.
> >
>
> The report said the childs father was a doctor so he could pay for services
> if the planning authorities allowed the village to be connected. The real
> reason is the attitude of one of the other posters here move to Jordan.
> Israel is trying to force it's arab minority out to other countries, that
> may be less violent than Milosovic's ethnic cleansing but it is a terrible
> thing nonethe less.

No, the real problem is the inability of the beduins to adapt to life
in a modern state that implies certain responsibilities (taxes, abiding
laws, etc) and grants priviliges (health care, social insurance,
services, etc).

Jaroslav

ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton

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BWAHAAHAHAHAH

That's a good one -- as if America treats the American poor well!!!

BAWAHAAhAhHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Of all the "Western" Nations that I know of America is at the bottom of
the list when it comes to its own citizens and poverty and DENIAL.


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:
: Hmmmmm....maybe her parents can't afford it. Not all nations can

El Conquistador

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Here is an idea.

Jaroslav
YES, ARSEHOLE, BUT BEDOUINS WERE THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, RUSSIANS
JUST CAME AND TOOK THEIR LAND!


El Conquistador

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>
> <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1125686897.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> >torresD wrote:
>>>>Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.
>>
>> It is.
>>
>>>>But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
>>>>allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
>>>>she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
>>>>according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
>>>>make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?
>>
>> Hmmmmm....maybe her parents can't afford it. Not all nations can afford
>> treating their poor as well as America treats her poor -- and the poor
>> of other nations flocking ILLEGALLY into the country to batten off
>> American taxpayers.
>>
>
> The report said the childs father was a doctor so he could pay for
> services if the planning authorities allowed the village to be connected.
> The real reason is the attitude of one of the other posters here move to
> Jordan. Israel is trying to force it's arab minority out to other
> countries, that may be less violent than Milosovic's ethnic cleansing but
> it is a terrible thing nonethe less.

IF RUSSIANS WENT BACK TO RUSSIA, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM


El Conquistador

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SHIT YES! THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT YOUR FUCKING LAW, WHILE YOU PISS ON THEIRS


slim

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Was that the suicide bomber who saw his mother killed by the Israeli army?

Or was it the one whose family farm was ripped apart by THE WALL?

Or was it the one whose father was "dissappeared" by the Mossad?

--


Donald Rumsfeld: "If you're asking if there's a direct
link between 9/11 and Iraq, the answer is no."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4865948/

On May 01, 2003, President Bush declared that,
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."

"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain --
I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the
interesting thing about being the president.
Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they
say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody
an explanation. "
- George "Dubya" Bush

slim

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Sep 2, 2005, 11:38:39 PM9/2/05
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torresD wrote:
>
> Israel claims to be the ONLY Democratic state in the Middle East.

> But if Israel treats non-Jewish as less than and does not even
> allow a little girl, to have electricity in her home, because
> she belongs to the wrong ethnic background, not the right religion,
> according to Israel, so she can't have the medicine she needs to
> make her life easier, how can Israel justify this?
>

> How does Israel justify its existence as a Democratic nation,
> at all, when it does not treat all of its people equally?

Goyim are not worth the dogshit on the bottom of a shoe
to these people.

slim

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Sep 2, 2005, 11:39:20 PM9/2/05
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Warhol wrote:
>
> They are the greatest liars, all what they are

And they have the answer for everything they do, they are
JUSTIFIED.

brutus

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Sep 3, 2005, 12:03:38 AM9/3/05
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"slim" <pickin's...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> brutus wrote:
>>
>> "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gD%Re.5642$_84....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > "Jewcy" <nightc...@hottubbin.com> wrote in message
>> > news:431884f3$1...@alt.athenanews.com...
>> >>
>> >> "torresD" <torr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:oo%Re.5691$9i4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> >>> I don't know why not.
>> >>> But I just find Israel's actions appalling.
>> >>> If I had a cancer ridden 3 year old child
>> >>> and couldn't get the help I needed because
>> >>> the country I live in doesn't think my religion is worthy.
>> >>
>> >> Your third sentence doesn't make any sense.
>> >
>> > If this was Jewish child, living in Israel, would
>> > that child confront this dire situation?
>>
>> Definitely not. He would get blown to bits by a suicide bomber as he and
>> his family ate pizza.
>
> Was that the suicide bomber who saw his mother killed by the Israeli army?
>
> Or was it the one whose family farm was ripped apart by THE WALL?
>
> Or was it the one whose father was "dissappeared" by the Mossad?

That was the suicide bomber that wanted his 72 virgins.

Brutus


slava

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Sep 3, 2005, 12:27:30 AM9/3/05
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Hey, pidor.

There are NO WRITTEN beduin laws... till they bother writing their own,
they will have to abide by the israeli laws, that are based on turkish
ottoman and british mandate laws.

Jaroslav

ish...@gmail.com

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Sep 3, 2005, 12:32:44 AM9/3/05
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Why don't you go back to arabia where you came from and live american
soil to the natives?

Ben Cramer

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Sep 3, 2005, 1:42:29 AM9/3/05
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"ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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> BWAHAAHAHAHAH
>
> That's a good one -- as if America treats the American poor well!!!

You're happy to take their welfare, you hypocritical cunt.

torresD

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Sep 3, 2005, 4:04:19 AM9/3/05
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> <jr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> Here is an idea.
>
> Why don't you, with a bunch of idiots like you, take a ride to
> somewhere in the middle of nowevere - a national park would be a good
> place to start.
>
> Then setup a tent camp and claim it to be your village.
>
> Then call up to the government to provide you with electricity, water,
> etc.
>
> Report the results of your observations to this NG.
>
> Jaroslav

She's only 3 years old, Jaroslav.
Why are you so cruel?

But the Atrash family has no reliable


means to do so because the Israeli
government refuses to allow 80,000
Bedouin Arabs to be connected to the power,
water or sewerage infrastructure on the
grounds that their villages are illegal -

even though many have stood since

El Conquistador

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Sep 3, 2005, 7:04:40 PM9/3/05
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Israel is fascist mob, they never justify anything nor obey the
international laws!


El Conquistador

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Sep 3, 2005, 7:06:01 PM9/3/05
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"slava" <ish...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You are a fucking guest, an occupier of palestine, respect the people you
swine!


El Conquistador

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Sep 3, 2005, 7:07:27 PM9/3/05
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<ish...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Mainly because I am not an Arab! And you, son of a whore, are not a NATIVE!


fla...@verizon.net

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Sep 4, 2005, 3:10:52 AM9/4/05
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On 2-Sep-2005, "Dan Smith" <dansm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> The report said the childs father was a doctor so he could pay for
> services
> if the planning authorities allowed the village to be connected.

And you are missing the point.
Why should Israel "allow the village to be connected" to ISRAELI
power sources when the people in it REFUSE TO BE ISRAELIS?

Susan

torresD

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Sep 4, 2005, 3:59:25 AM9/4/05
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<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:06xSe.12321$IT4.7500@trnddc04...

>
> Susan

Susan! You're missing the point, this is a child 36 months old.
What does it matter that she is not Israeli!
3 year old Enna's skin color, ethnic background, whether she
is Israeli or not Israeli, she is a very sick little girl.

In Israel, before a 3 year old cancer victim can get help,
it must be determined that she is ISRAELI!!!!

Why are we in the USA giving Israel billions of dollars?!
WHY?!!!

This country is sick!

Susan, Enna is three years old.
Does that mean nothing to you?
She is THREE YEARS OLD, Susan!

Bolwerk

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Sep 5, 2005, 2:49:47 PM9/5/05
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This is one of those threads that has nothing to do with New York City
politics, and as far as I can tell, most of the other groups it's being
directed at.

Deborah Sharavi

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torresD wrote:
>Why are we in the USA giving Israel billions of dollars?!

Why no complaints about the same "billions of dollars" we give every
year to Egypt?

>WHY?!!!

Why are American taxpayers allowing the govt to shell out some $70
billion a year on welfare for illegal aliens, when half the citizens of
America have no access to medical care?

>This country is sick!

That's right. And one cure is to begin deporting some of the 15,000,000
illegal aliens currently infesting this country. That way, we can pay
the $40 billion packaged the Bushi'ites have marked for relief for
American victims of Katrina.

Deborah

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