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J. Johnson

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Aug 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/20/99
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Pope St. Pius X attempted to keep the Liberal virus out of the Roman
Catholic Church by publishing the following oath on September 1, 1910:


THE OATH AGAINST MODERNISM, 1910

I . . . firmly embrace and accept each and every definition that has
been set forth and declared by the unerring teaching authority of the
Church, especially those principal truths which are directly opposed to
the errors of this day. And first of all, I profess that God, the origin
and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light
of reason from the created world (see Rom. 1:20), that is, from the
visible works of creation, as a cause from its effects, and that,
therefore, his existence can also be demonstrated. Secondly, I accept
and acknowledge the external proofs of revelation, that is, divine acts
and especially miracles and prophesies as the surest sign of the divine
origin of the Christian religion and I hold that these same proofs are
well adapted to the understanding of all eras and all men, even of this
time. Thirdly, I believe with equally firm faith that the Church, the
guardian and teacher of the revealed word, was personally instituted by
the real and historical Christ, when he lived among us, and that the
Church was built upon Peter, the prince of the apostolic hierarchy, and
his successors for the duration of time. Fourthly, I sincerely hold that
the doctrine of faith was handed down to us from the apostles through
the orthodox Fathers IN EXACTLY THE SAME MEANING AND ALWAYS IN THE SAME
PURPORT. THEREFORE, I ENTIRELY REJECT THE HERETICAL MISREPRESENTATION
THAT DOGMAS EVOLVE AND CHANGE FROM ONE MEANING TO ANOTHER DIFFERENT FROM
THE ONE WHICH THE CHURCH HELD PREVIOUSLY. I also condemn every error
according to which, in place of the divine deposit which has been given
to the spouse of Christ to be carefully guarded by her, there is put a
philosophical figment or product of a human conscience that has
gradually been developed by human effort and will continue to develop
indefinitely. Fifthly, I hold with certainty and sincerely confess that
faith is not a blind sentiment of religion welling up from the depths of
the subconscious under the impulse of the heart and the motion of a will
trained to morality; but faith is a genuine assent of the intellect to
truth received by hearing from an external source. By this assent,
because of the authority of the supremely truthful God, we believe to be
true that which has been revealed and attested to by a personal God, our
creator and lord.
            Furthermore, with due reverence, I
submit and adhere with my whole heart to the condemnations,
declarations, and all the prescripts contained in the ENCYCLICAL
PASCENDI and in the decree LAMENTABILI, especially those concerning what
is known as the history of dogmas. I also reject the error of those who
say that the faith held by the Church can contradict history, and that
Catholic dogmas, in the sense in which they are now understood, are
irreconciable with a more realistic view of the origins of the Christian
religion. I also condemn and reject the opinion of those who say that a
well educated Christian assumes a dual personality - that of a believer
and at the same time of a historian; as if it were permissible for a
historian to hold things that contradict the faith of the believer, or
to establish premises which, provided there be no direct denial of
dogmas, would lead to the conclusion that dogmas are either false or
doubtful. Likewise, I reject that method of judging and interpreting
Sacred Scripture which departing from the tradition of the Church, the
analogy of faith, and the norms of the Apostolic See, embraces the
misrepresentations of the rationalists and with no prudence or restraint
adopts textual criticism as the one and supreme norm. Furthermore, I
reject the opinion of those who hold that a professor lecturing or
writing on a historico-theological subject should first put aside any
preconceived opinion about the supernatural origin of Catholic tradition
or about the divine promise of help to preserve all revealed truth
forever; and that they should then interpret the writings of each of the
Fathers solely by scientific principles, excluding all sacred authority,
and with the same liberty of judgement that is common in the
investigation of all ordinary historical documents.
                    Finally, I
declare that I am completely opposed to the error of the modernists who
hold that there is nothing divine in sacred tradition; or what is far
worse, say that there is, but in a pantheistic sense, with the result
that there would remain nothing but this plain simple fact - one to be
put on par with the ordinary facts of history - the fact, namely, that a
group of men by their own labor, skill and talent have continued through
subsequent ages a school begun by Christ and his apostles. I firmly
hold, then, and shall hold to my dying breath the belief of the Fathers
in the charism of truth, which certainly is, was, and always will be in
the succession of the episcopacy from the apostles. The purpose of this
is, then, not that dogma may be tailored according to what seems better
and more suited to the culture of each age; rather, that the absolute
and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may
never be different, may never be understood in any other way.
        I promise that I shall keep all these articles
faithfully, entirely, and sincerely, and guard them inviolate, in no way
deviating from them in word or in writing. Thus I promise, thus I swear,
so help me God. . .
(Pope St. Pius X)

For White Unity,
J. Johnson

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Thomas Mohr

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Aug 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/21/99
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"J. Johnson" wrote:
>
>
< snip >

Johnson, your ideology is wrong and evil, even your priest said that. So
just piss off, okay ?

Goyra

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J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote in article
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>For White Unity,
>J. Johnson


What in hell is "white unity". Do you have
to leave when you get a suntan? Why would the
colour of someone's skin matter in any way?
Why don't you go by the colour of hair? Is there
any scientiifci evidence for your racianl notions?


Goyra


/\/\ike

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Aug 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/21/99
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> What in hell is "white unity". Do you have
>to leave when you get a suntan? Why would the
>colour of someone's skin matter in any way?
>Why don't you go by the colour of hair? Is there
>any scientiifci evidence for your racianl notions?
>
Nah, he's just doing all this because he has an abnormally small
pecker. That seems to be the one common factor among all racists according
to the American Medical Association.

/\/\ike

News

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Aug 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/22/99
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But no one took a blind bit of notice of it.

J. Johnson

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Da...@spamoff.goyra.com (Goyra) wrote:

>What in hell is "white unity". Do you have to leave when you get a
suntan? Why would the colour of someone's skin matter in any way? Why
don't you go by the colour of hair? Is there any scientiifci evidence
for your racianl notions?

____
                                                                            Goyra,
I don't care much for the term "White," either. "White" means different
things to different people, and doesn't mean anything definite.
Moreover, only albinos are "White." When I say "White," I mean Caucasian
Gentiles of European descent. But it's easier to just say "White."

But just so you won't be confused. . .

For European Caucasian Gentile Unity,

J. Johnson

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thoma...@magnet.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:

>Johnson, your ideology is wrong and evil, even your priest said that.
So just piss off, okay ? >


Mohr-on, if the negroes were in their own nation, not bothering anyone,
and I was advocating a race-war, then you would be correct. I would be
guilty of unjust hatred against my neighbor.

But, when I have negroes in my nation, undermining my people, and
screwing my women, then these negroes are not my neighbors. They are
hostile _invaders_, and I am 100% morally justified in opposing their
actions, and even their very presence in my nation.

For White Unity,

Thomas Mohr

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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"J. Johnson" wrote:
>
> thoma...@magnet.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
>
> >Johnson, your ideology is wrong and evil, even your priest said that.
> So just piss off, okay ? >
>
> Mohr-on, if the negroes were in their own nation, not bothering anyone,
> and I was advocating a race-war, then you would be correct. I would be
> guilty of unjust hatred against my neighbor.
>
> But, when I have negroes in my nation, undermining my people, and
> screwing my women, then these negroes are not my neighbors. They are
> hostile _invaders_, and I am 100% morally justified in opposing their
> actions, and even their very presence in my nation.

Johnson, I am not talking about this. I am talking that you defame and
slander these people .. by calling them "apes" f.i. You even call blacks
from Africa "apes".

BTW, the US is not *your* nation. Blacks are an integral part of the US,
whether you want it or not.

Thomas Mohr

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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"J. Johnson" wrote:
>
> thoma...@magnet.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
>
> >Johnson, your ideology is wrong and evil, even your priest said that.
> So just piss off, okay ? >
>
> Mohr-on, if the negroes were in their own nation, not bothering anyone,
> and I was advocating a race-war, then you would be correct. I would be
> guilty of unjust hatred against my neighbor.
>
> But, when I have negroes in my nation, undermining my people, and
> screwing my women, then these negroes are not my neighbors. They are
> hostile _invaders_, and I am 100% morally justified in opposing their
> actions, and even their very presence in my nation.

Okay, Johnson, since you could NOT find *any* example in which I
actually advocate extinction of my people, I herewith declare you to be
a liar.

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Bill McHale

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Aug 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/24/99
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In alt.religion.christian J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote:
: Pope St. Pius X attempted to keep the Liberal virus out of the Roman

: Catholic Church by publishing the following oath on September 1, 1910:

The question is do you really understand what Pius meant in his crusade
against Liberalism? He is not talking about affirmative action or
anything like that, specifically he was challenging the intellectual elite
of Europe that were claiming that the Church was not God's creation and
that it did not represent his will on Earth. Rather that the secular
world most probably in a secular socialist government of some sort should
care for all the needs of man (Note, the Church would have no problems
with a truely christian and truely socialist government).

He most certainly was not talking about any racist agenda and would
certainly have been disgusted by the idea that his words would be used to
push a hateful agenda.

: For White Unity,
: J. Johnson

Sorry bub, some of us have outgrown this pseudo-nationalistic egoistic
attempt to stultify cultural, social and political growth. The simple
fact of the matter is that you manufacture race myths as a way to
compensate for your inability to understand the basic realities of the
world.

--
Bill

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Bill McHale

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Aug 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/24/99
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In alt.religion.christian J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote:
: thoma...@magnet.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:

:>Johnson, your ideology is wrong and evil, even your priest said that.
: So just piss off, okay ? >


: Mohr-on, if the negroes were in their own nation, not bothering anyone,
: and I was advocating a race-war, then you would be correct. I would be
: guilty of unjust hatred against my neighbor.

In your nation? And what nation is that? Is it the United States?
Because last I checked the USA has always held the presense of multiple
ethnic groups. Indeed if American Nationalism is in any way better than
the blight that infected Europe between 1850-1950 then it is because
American Nationalism is not founded on any notion of ethnicity. Americans
were proud of what their country stood for not of the myths that
perpetuated ethinic unity in other countries.

Further, since you quote the Pope so much, I have to believe you are at
least nominally Catholic or at least Christian, if so then you missed the
point of the Gospel. You are called to love your neighbor
unconditionally; any hate is unjust.

: But, when I have negroes in my nation, undermining my people, and


: screwing my women, then these negroes are not my neighbors. They are
: hostile _invaders_, and I am 100% morally justified in opposing their
: actions, and even their very presence in my nation.

Again are we talking about the United States? The country that that
brought the ancestors of the vast majority of Blacks to its shores in
Slave ships? If anyone has earned a place in this Country it is the Black
Man. It is to our eternal shame that even today we donnot unreservedly
welcome alll African Americans into the truely boundless opportunities of
this country.

As for screwing your women.. well unless they are raping them (And I will
assume they are not) then how is it the bfault of African Americans that
they can satisfy a woman and you can't?

: -------------------------------------------------------


: "The people have heard quite enough about what are called the rights of
: man. Let them hear about the rights of God for once." (Encyclical
: Tametsi futura, Pope Leo XIII)
: -------------------------------------------------------

I would ask that you remove the words of the Holy Father from your
signature; your kind of bigotry has no place in the Church.

phil

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Better watch out, the Klan hates Catholics...


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J. Johnson

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wmc...@umbc7.umbc.edu (Bill McHale) wrote:

>Further, since you quote the Pope so much, I have to believe you are at
least nominally Catholic or at least Christian, >


I'm a real Catholic, a _Traditional_ Catholic. I don't acknowledge the
Vatican II heretical, illegitimate bastard "New Mass," or "Catholic
Liberalism."

McHale wrote:

>if so then you missed the point of the Gospel.


Not at all. My European ancestors conquered non-White savages for 1,500
years with the Bible in their hands.

McHale wrote:

>then how is it the bfault of African
Americans that they can satisfy a woman and you can't? >


The only reason White girls screw negroes is because the Jewsmedia says
it's fashionable. Being fashionable is the most important thing in the
world to the bizarre female psyche.

"Woman is defective and misbegotten."
(St. Thomas Aquinas)

McHale wrote:

>I would ask that you remove the words of the Holy Father from your
signature; your kind of bigotry has no place in the Church. >


No place in the modern heretic Church, but it definitely had its place
in the pre-Vatican II True Church.

"Cham mocked his father, when he lay naked and drunk in his tent (Gen.
ix.). For this his father cursed him; his descendants are the negro
inhabitants of Africa, and know not the true God."
(The Catechism Explained, p.371)

That book was published in 1927, before the Church was infected with the
liberal virus.

lucyy

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On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 05:03:33 -0400 (EDT), Crusad...@webtv.net (J.
Johnson) wrote:

<snip>

>Mohr-on, if the negroes were in their own nation, not bothering anyone,

bothering, huh. is that a military term? geez, wish i could be a
marine. then i could start a race war because someone is bothering me.

just don't become a kindergarten teacher, okay, johnson?

>and I was advocating a race-war, then you would be correct. I would be
>guilty of unjust hatred against my neighbor.
>

>But, when I have negroes in my nation, undermining my people, and
>screwing my women,

newsflash, mister!!! you don't OWN women!!!!!!! they are not _yours_,
never were, never will be.

> then these negroes are not my neighbors.

um, yes they are. they live near you, you share facilities, language,
and some cultural aspects (i'm erring on the cautious side of cultural
statements for your benefit). they are your neighbours.

> They are
>hostile _invaders_,

um, invaders? did i totally stuff up my US history course, or didn't
your ancestors kidnap/buy african slaves and deliberately bring them
to north america? against their will?

hostile invaders, huh. sure, whatever.

> and I am 100% morally justified in opposing their
>actions, and even their very presence in my nation.

no you're not, and you haven't proved otherwise. it is not just "your"
nation. it's that of millions of others, too. once again i'll ask you:
didn't they teach you to share, in school?


Lucyy

Thomas Mohr

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Aug 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/25/99
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"J. Johnson" wrote:
>
> I'm a real Catholic, a _Traditional_ Catholic. I don't acknowledge the
> Vatican II heretical, illegitimate bastard "New Mass," or "Catholic
> Liberalism."

Johnson, you are NOT a catholic. Not real and not anyway. A catholic
doesn't call other catholics "apes".

> McHale wrote:
>
> >if so then you missed the point of the Gospel.
>
> Not at all. My European ancestors conquered non-White savages for 1,500
> years with the Bible in their hands.

Sorry, but the only savage here is you.

>

J. Johnson

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lu...@removethis.student.thistoo.unsw.edu.au (lucyy) wrote:

>newsflash, mister!!! you don't OWN women!!!!!!! they are not _yours_,
never were, never will be. >


Every individual White person is the collective property of the White
race as a whole. Moreover, once the feminist governments have been
overthrown, you will be forced to once again submit and be loyal to your
men. And there is nothing you'll be able to do about it. We're bigger
than you.

Lucyy wrote:

>um, yes they are. they live near you, you share facilities, language,
and some cultural aspects (i'm erring on the cautious side of cultural
statements for your benefit). they are your neighbours. >


Screech and howl all you want, Lucy. Negro invaders are not my
neighbors. A "neighbor" lives in his own house (nation).

Lucyy wrote:

>um, invaders? did i totally stuff up my US history course >


No, but I think estrogen is, um, stuffing up your head.

"Woman is defective and misbegotten."
(St. Thomas Aquinas)

Lucyy wrote:

>or didn't your ancestors kidnap/buy african slaves and deliberately
bring them to north america? against their will? >


They sure did. But now we have to do the right thing, and return them to
their ancestral homeland in Africa. We will!

Lucyy wrote:

>it is not just "your" nation.


Correct. It's _every White persons_ nation.

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J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> lu...@removethis.student.thistoo.unsw.edu.au (lucyy) wrote:
>
> >newsflash, mister!!! you don't OWN women!!!!!!! they are not
_yours_,
> never were, never will be. >
>
>
> Every individual White person is the collective property of the
White
> race as a whole.

Fuck you. I owe you amd your meglomaniacs nothing!!

Moreover, once the feminist governments have been
> overthrown, you will be forced to once again submit and be loyal
to your
> men.

By who?? ou and your big mouth?? Sure aint enough of your kind to
do it.

And there is nothing you'll be able to do about it. We're bigger
> than you.

Bigger than what?? You pathetic lunatics can't even get ONE
representative into government. Bigger than a wet fart, maybe.


>
> Lucyy wrote:
>
> >um, yes they are. they live near you, you share facilities,
language,
> and some cultural aspects (i'm erring on the cautious side of
cultural
> statements for your benefit). they are your neighbours. >
>
>
> Screech and howl all you want, Lucy. Negro invaders are not my
> neighbors. A "neighbor" lives in his own house (nation).

Live with it moron. You cannot do anything about. You racists are
about as potent as a bunch of whining old grannies with wet
panties


>
> Lucyy wrote:
>
> >um, invaders? did i totally stuff up my US history course >
>
>
> No, but I think estrogen is, um, stuffing up your head.
>
> "Woman is defective and misbegotten."
> (St. Thomas Aquinas)
>
> Lucyy wrote:
>
> >or didn't your ancestors kidnap/buy african slaves and
deliberately
> bring them to north america? against their will? >
>
>
> They sure did. But now we have to do the right thing, and return
them to
> their ancestral homeland in Africa. We will!

No you won't. You are all mouth and no substance. Your buddies are
so pathetic that they cancel their rallies at the first sign of
protest. So much for white power.

>
> Lucyy wrote:
>
> >it is not just "your" nation.
>
>
> Correct. It's _every White persons_ nation.

And every other person of any color or ethnicity who was born
here. You may not like it, but you sure as hell won't change it

Aviator

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Da...@spamoff.goyra.com (Goyra) wrote:

>What in hell is "white unity". Do you have to leave when you get
a
suntan? Why would the colour of someone's skin matter in any way?
Why
don't you go by the colour of hair? Is there any scientiifci
evidence
for your racianl notions?
____
Goyra,
I don't care much for the term "White," either. "White" means
different
things to different people, and doesn't mean anything definite.
Moreover, only albinos are "White." When I say "White," I mean
Caucasian
Gentiles of European descent. But it's easier to just say "White."

But just so you won't be confused. . .

For European Caucasian Gentile Unity,
J. Johnson

***I am a European. You are a poor dumb European wannabe, and will
never come close to being European

Aviator

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J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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thoma...@magnet.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:

>Johnson, your ideology is wrong and evil, even your priest said
that.
So just piss off, okay ? >

Mohr-on, if the negroes were in their own nation, not bothering
anyone,

and I was advocating a race-war, then you would be correct. I
would be
guilty of unjust hatred against my neighbor.

But, when I have negroes in my nation, undermining my people, and

screwing my women, then these negroes are not my neighbors. They
are
hostile _invaders_, and I am 100% morally justified in opposing


their
actions, and even their very presence in my nation.

***You can try. You won't get far. Maybe a prison cell

For White Unity,
J. Johnson

"Sine auctoritate nulla vita."


(Without authority there is no life)

Western Imperative Network

Thomas Mohr

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Aug 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/26/99
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"J. Johnson" wrote:

> "Woman is defective and misbegotten."
> (St. Thomas Aquinas)

Johnson, the only defective here is you. Morally and intellectually. It
would be interesting to hera the opinion of St. thomas on you.

Lonnie Taylor

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Aviator wrote:

> J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:29078-37...@newsd-282.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> thoma...@magnet.at (Thomas Mohr) wrote:
> Mohr-on, if the negroes were in their own nation, not bothering
> anyone,
> and I was advocating a race-war, then you would be correct. I
> would be
> guilty of unjust hatred against my neighbor.
>
> But, when I have negroes in my nation, undermining my people,

> Welcome to the world of Competition and

> screwing my women,

Learn to be more attractive

> then these negroes are not my neighbors.

If you believe in Christ/God..they are...

> They
> are
> hostile _invaders_, and I am 100% morally justified in opposing
> their

The problem with your statement is...that most of the blacks that are
in America today are descendants of blacks that were brought here
against their will hundreds of years ago, so the only moral
justification you have in anything is admitting to that...

> actions, and even their very presence in my nation. Your Nation?
> Hell, it's my nation too...I say blacks can do whatever the hell they
> want...just leave me alone...

Bill McHale

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In alt.religion.christian J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote:
: lu...@removethis.student.thistoo.unsw.edu.au (lucyy) wrote:

:>newsflash, mister!!! you don't OWN women!!!!!!! they are not _yours_,
: never were, never will be. >


: Every individual White person is the collective property of the White

: race as a whole. Moreover, once the feminist governments have been


: overthrown, you will be forced to once again submit and be loyal to your

: men. And there is nothing you'll be able to do about it. We're bigger
: than you.

Gee but what if the guy wants to submit to the woman? That can be fun
too.

Look get over yourself. Nationalism is a bankrupt ideology that has
caused more damage in 2 centuries than all the religious wars of the
previous 20 centuries combined. If history has shown anything, it is that
a society benefits from the fullest possible participation of all members
regardless of ethnic or sexual background.

People are people, owned by noone save themselves and (if you believe)
God. As for women not doing anything about it... well you would be
suprised at the minial amount of effort it takes to just not get involved
with guys like you... and you wouldn't advocate rape now would you? In
addition there are plenty of guys, myself included who would gladly help
any woman get out from under the thumb of someone like you.

: Lucyy wrote:

:>um, yes they are. they live near you, you share facilities, language,
: and some cultural aspects (i'm erring on the cautious side of cultural
: statements for your benefit). they are your neighbours. >

: Screech and howl all you want, Lucy. Negro invaders are not my
: neighbors. A "neighbor" lives in his own house (nation).

Nation is a culturally defined recent construct. Besides if you are
really Catholic as you claim, you would realize that in the early
Christian Communities, Gentile and Jew lived together despite the fact
that they are of two different nations. Still if that is not enough for
you. I would like to personally, on behalf of the European inhabitants of
North America like to invite all the non-European minorities living in
this country to stay and to fully participate in this great Country. I
specifically wish to extend an apology to all of those whose ancestors
were forced to immigrate against their will and hope that they will stay
in this land and find out that despite our previous actions, that we are
not (as a whole) a bad bunch of people. This invitation is extended in
perpetuity for all ages and all future ethnic immigrants.

Note I do also hereby apologize to the Native peoples of this land for
abusing their hospitality and stealing their homes away from them. I hope
in the future we can overcome the worst injustices of the past.

: Lucyy wrote:

:>um, invaders? did i totally stuff up my US history course >


: No, but I think estrogen is, um, stuffing up your head.

Nope, she seems fine to me. My history is quite clear and if African
Americans invaded this country it must have been through one of the most
cleverly arranged invasions in history. First time I ever heard of an
invasion that called for the opposite side to take your force prisoners
and to then be enslaved or live in an inferior social position for
centuries before they actually tried to conquor the land they were
invading.

: "Woman is defective and misbegotten."
: (St. Thomas Aquinas)

And even Thomas Aquinas was wrong sometimes.

: Lucyy wrote:

:>or didn't your ancestors kidnap/buy african slaves and deliberately
: bring them to north america? against their will? >

: They sure did. But now we have to do the right thing, and return them to
: their ancestral homeland in Africa. We will!

And the Native Americans will have to do the right thing and return us to
our ancestral homelands in Europe.

: Lucyy wrote:

:>it is not just "your" nation.


: Correct. It's _every White persons_ nation.

Hmm, seems to me that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
declared that this nation was for all mankind, not just the whites.
Remember the Preamble of the Constitution reads "We the people of the
United States of America, in order to form a more perfect...." If they
meant it to be the Constitution of White America they should have said so
since their were already free blacks at the time.

J. Johnson

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lu...@removethis.student.thistoo.unsw.edu.au (lucyy) wrote:

>ah, but as someone in this ng pointed out, all we need is guns, thanks
to your friend Thomas Colt. >

I'm soooooo scared. You think guns are primitive, remember? Moreover,
females have _never_ collectively taken up arms against males. It's not
in their nature. Females didn't even buy guns to defend themselves when
a serial killer, Ted Bundy, was operating in Florida. Their men did.

Lucyy wrote:

>gee you're funny. no, make that "repetitive". My ideology is not
determined by my gender, as you believe that yours is. i think freely.
get used to it. >

ROTFLMAO! You haven't expressed a single opinion that's not Politically
Correct and approved. Like all females, all you care about is being
fashionable and trendy.

Lucyy wrote:

>you're being so repetitive you're making _me_ repeat myself. you've
already quoted him at me, and i've already laughed myself onto the
floor. my cheeks hurt, okay, so stop, i beg you! >

Yeah, female defectiveness is rather humorous, except when they're
allowed to vote. That's scary.

"Woman is the instrument in which the Devil uses to gain possession of
our souls." (St. Cyprian)

"Comparing man and woman in general one may say: woman would not have
the genius for finery if she did not have the instinct for the
_secondary_ role." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

"When a woman has scholarly inclinations there is usually something
wrong with her sexuality..." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

"Thus man wants woman to be peaceful - but woman is essentially
unpeaceful, like the cat, however well she may have trained herself to
present an appearance of peace."
(Friedrich Nietzsche)

"Woman is the daughter of falsehood, a sentinel of Hell, the enemy of
peace; through her Adam lost paradise." (St. John Demasene)

Lucyy wrote:

>i thought the USA was every american's nation. >

That's not what you "thought." That's what the Jewsmedia told you, so
you ape it.

Bill McHale

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Aug 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/27/99
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In alt.religion.christian J. Johnson <Crusad...@webtv.net> wrote:
: lu...@removethis.student.thistoo.unsw.edu.au (lucyy) wrote:

: I'm soooooo scared. You think guns are primitive, remember? Moreover,


: females have _never_ collectively taken up arms against males. It's not
: in their nature. Females didn't even buy guns to defend themselves when
: a serial killer, Ted Bundy, was operating in Florida. Their men did.

Hmm, perhaps women are more advanced than men. In any case Mr. Johnson,
you are going to have to at least convince the majority if men that you
are rightm because unless you do then the women will not have to take arms
up against you, other men will. In any case, their are enough women in
the Military and Police to show that they are capable of using force when
necessary, they just aren't so ready to jump to it as the solution to
their problems.

: ROTFLMAO! You haven't expressed a single opinion that's not Politically


: Correct and approved. Like all females, all you care about is being
: fashionable and trendy.

Yeah thats it; denigrate the position by lumping it in with a generic
ideology when you don't have any adequate response.

: Lucyy wrote:

:>you're being so repetitive you're making _me_ repeat myself. you've
: already quoted him at me, and i've already laughed myself onto the
: floor. my cheeks hurt, okay, so stop, i beg you! >

: Yeah, female defectiveness is rather humorous, except when they're
: allowed to vote. That's scary.

Not nearly as scary as the thought that you are not only allowed to vote,
but to own lethal weapons.

: "Woman is the instrument in which the Devil uses to gain possession of
: our souls." (St. Cyprian)

Ah but if you are Catholic you also believe that it was Woman who was the
vessel for salvation.

: "Comparing man and woman in general one may say: woman would not have


: the genius for finery if she did not have the instinct for the
: _secondary_ role." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

I do believe that Mietzsche kissed a Donkey's Arse before he died. In any
case he is not really a recommended philosopher for good Catholics. Have
you tried any Kierkegard?

: "When a woman has scholarly inclinations there is usually something


: wrong with her sexuality..." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

Says a man who was couldn't bring himself to see women as anything other
than a Penis recepticle.

: "Thus man wants woman to be peaceful - but woman is essentially


: unpeaceful, like the cat, however well she may have trained herself to
: present an appearance of peace."
: (Friedrich Nietzsche)

And this is different from men how?

: "Woman is the daughter of falsehood, a sentinel of Hell, the enemy of


: peace; through her Adam lost paradise." (St. John Demasene)

And through her Jesus came into the world. What is your point?

lucyy

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On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:47:38 -0400 (EDT), Crusad...@webtv.net (J.
Johnson) wrote:

>lu...@removethis.student.thistoo.unsw.edu.au (lucyy) wrote:
>
>>newsflash, mister!!! you don't OWN women!!!!!!! they are not _yours_,
>never were, never will be. >
>
>
>Every individual White person is the collective property of the White
>race as a whole.

says who? (that i will accept as authority!!!)

> Moreover, once the feminist governments have been
>overthrown, you will be forced to once again submit and be loyal to your
>men. And there is nothing you'll be able to do about it. We're bigger
>than you.

ah, but as someone in this ng pointed out, all we need is guns, thanks


to your friend Thomas Colt.

>Lucyy wrote:


>
>>um, yes they are. they live near you, you share facilities, language,
>and some cultural aspects (i'm erring on the cautious side of cultural
>statements for your benefit). they are your neighbours. >
>
>Screech and howl all you want, Lucy. Negro invaders are not my
>neighbors. A "neighbor" lives in his own house (nation).

you saw that as "screeching and howling"? you _are_ sensitive. you
wouldn't want to be around me when i'm mad, that's for sure.

BTW, the USA _is_ the nation of many blacks. Your beloved ancestors
made them citizens. you can't kick them out, or attack them without
declaring civil war.

>Lucyy wrote:
>
>>um, invaders? did i totally stuff up my US history course >
>
>No, but I think estrogen is, um, stuffing up your head.

gee you're funny. no, make that "repetitive". My ideology is not


determined by my gender, as you believe that yours is. i think freely.
get used to it.

>"Woman is defective and misbegotten."
>(St. Thomas Aquinas)

you're being so repetitive you're making _me_ repeat myself. you've


already quoted him at me, and i've already laughed myself onto the
floor. my cheeks hurt, okay, so stop, i beg you!

>Lucyy wrote:


>
>>or didn't your ancestors kidnap/buy african slaves and deliberately
>bring them to north america? against their will? >
>
>They sure did. But now we have to do the right thing, and return them to
>their ancestral homeland in Africa. We will!

and by that rationale you should be returned to your ancestral
homeland. but you wouldn't take too well to being forced to go live in
czechoslovakia, would you? because you _don't_ have that culture, you
_don't_ speak the language, and you don't have any links, beyond a
distant racial similarity, to that place.

>Lucyy wrote:
>
>>it is not just "your" nation.
>
>Correct. It's _every White persons_ nation.

why the qualifier? i thought the USA was every american's nation. and
an american is a citizen of the USA. and blacks, whites, males and
females, all of these groups are found amongst the citizens of the
USA.


Lucyy

J. Johnson

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lu...@removethis.student.thistoo.unsw.edu.au (lucyy) wrote:

>doesn't mean that it won't happen in the future. don't underestimate
your opponent, Johnson. especially when you're taking such a violent
stance against them. >


Lucy, your soooooo scary.


Lucyy wrote:

>only a female knows her nature. and every female is different. you know
what the only thing that puts us all undeniably into the same group? a
chromosome. no, wait, not even that, because some women were born men,
but became women. so nothing. >

Lucy, just because a man chops his penis off, and takes female hormones
doesn't make him a woman, it just makes him a freak.


Lucyy wrote:

>no, this is not true. this is, i think, the 4th time you have brought
up "fashion", not me, it seems it is more of a concern to you than
anyone else here. >


Your damn right! The anti-White fashions that you ape need to be
opposed.

Lucyy wrote:

>i thought that you said that "by nature" women are docile and
submissive. this guy is disagreeing with you here. >


Not at all, he is pointing out the vindictive self-centered
materialistic nature of females.

Lucyy wrote:

>getting sick after 3 quotes from the same guy.


Nietzsche is respected in all quarters, so your attempt to discredit him
is futile.

Lucyy wrote:

>you're fond of the "saints" aren't you?


Of course, I'm Catholic.


Lucyy wrote:

>yes it is, after reading the constitution.


Negroes were not citizens when the constitution was written, they were
property, and are referred to as 2/3 of a human being in the
constitution for census purposes.

Lucyy wrote:

>i ape it? WTF does that mean? i think you're getting overexcited by the
use of the word "ape" >


Lucy, it sounds like you're the one who is getting overexcited. I know,
I have that effect on women :) I would urge you to take a deep breath
and calm down.

/\/\ike

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>Good post /\/\ike. Wonder if they can "click" out a soundtrack for a
>David Duke commercial.
>
I think a sound track is a bit to complex a concept for them.
So far, they've only carried the concept of coordination up to two words,
"seig heil", which they seem to have mastered pretty well in unison.


/\/\ike

/\/\ike

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Aug 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/30/99
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>Pity that heal clicking goes to waste. They may fit in at the
>Pasadena "Do Da" parade: "The Heal Clicking Goose Steppers" in Dr.
>Martins, scooping up any horse shit.
>
Maybe they're clicking their heels trying to get back to Kansas? Or
possibly Maldenheim.

/\/\ike

lucyy

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On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:29:11 -0400 (EDT), Crusad...@webtv.net (J.
Johnson) wrote:

>Lucy, your soooooo scary.

????


>Lucy, just because a man chops his penis off, and takes female hormones
>doesn't make him a woman, it just makes him a freak.

????


>Your damn right! The anti-White fashions that you ape need to be
>opposed.

i don't understand what this means.

>Not at all, he is pointing out the vindictive self-centered
>materialistic nature of females.

yes, we're just _so_ evil, aren't we.

>
>Lucyy wrote:
>
>>getting sick after 3 quotes from the same guy.
>
>
>Nietzsche is respected in all quarters, so your attempt to discredit him
>is futile.

that wasn't an attempt to discredit him, i was simply mentioning that
i was looking forward to a different perspective after 3 quotes from
him.


>Lucyy wrote:
>
>>i ape it? WTF does that mean? i think you're getting overexcited by the
>use of the word "ape" >
>
>
>Lucy, it sounds like you're the one who is getting overexcited. I know,
>I have that effect on women :) I would urge you to take a deep breath
>and calm down.

Johnson, you certainly do have a talent for latching onto something
and never letting go. could you please answer my question here? it's
just so i can understand your post better.


Lucyy

lucyy

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Wild rice - i could not see quoted text from either myself or J
Johnson - please trim names out of the header when trimming text :)

Lucyy

Bill McHale

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In alt.religion.christian Wild Rice <wild_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: On 26 Aug 1999 15:07:18 GMT, Bill McHale <wmc...@umbc7.umbc.edu>
: wrote:

:>I specifically wish to extend an apology to all of those whose ancestors


:>were forced to immigrate against their will and hope that they will stay
:>in this land and find out that despite our previous actions,

: Why do you feel you to need apologize. You were't even around then.
: Tho I an appreciate your concern. OTOH, I think in all honesty the
: decendants of those ancestors for the most part are much better off
: living in the U.S. that they would have been living out their lives in
: Africa. There is a lot of hunger and suffering overthere, and even
: just as sad, the world of modern nations seems not to care.

Not only was I not around then, but my ancestors had not even come to this
country yet (My Dad arrived in 1958 and my Mom in '65). I apologize
because an apology is needed, even if those who should apologize refuse to
do it. Yes most African Americans are better off than their nearest
Relatives in West Africa, but on the other hand, the situation in Africa
is in large measure the result of 19th and 20th century colonialism.

:>that we are not (as a whole) a bad bunch of people. This invitation is extended in


:>perpetuity for all ages and all future ethnic immigrants.

: Are you a Buddist?

Nope, Roman Catholic actually :) and an American.

:>
:>Note I do also hereby apologize to the Native peoples of this land for


:>abusing their hospitality and stealing their homes away from them.

: I am indeed sadened by the actions of those imprudent and cruel white
: bastards, but I'm not in a position to appoligize for their actions
: any more than I am for the barbaric acts the mongols comitted against
: the Persians.

Ah, but European-American Injustices towards Native Americans continue to
this day and if you are a citizen of the US you (as I am) are probably a
small part of the problem even though we don't realize it.

:>I hope in the future we can overcome the worst injustices of the past.

: Unfortunately, not in our live times. How the hell can you unscrew
: someones head like ipm, and fill it with a sense of justice and
: tolerence?

Perhaps not, but that does not mean we should not try. The best goals
always are the ones that seem to be out of reach. Remember all progress
is achieved by unreasonable men :).

:>And the Native Americans will have to do the right thing and return us to


:>our ancestral homelands in Europe.

: Is this a realistic goal? Would you what those who would choose to do
: that end up like they did in Waco? Besides, I don't think all
: American Indians would want that. My god, can you imagine how large
: the intern camps would be. Where would everybody go? Mexico wouldn't
: take the masses, Great Brittan doesn't have the room, and Kosovo can't
: handle the exodus.

Actually that last part was tongue in cheek, the original poster was
talking about sending all the African Americans back to Africa where they
belonged (and claimed it was the right thing), so I just extended the
logic to its conclusion.

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