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c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 12:03:41 PM12/17/10
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On Dec 17, 11:57 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" wrote:
>
> > If you could
> > demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>
> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>
> I generally

blablabla

You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.
Especially when you're afraid you have no idea what the fuck you're
talking about, like now. Stop acting like ... that. It pisses
people, like me, off, if you care at all about such things.

Will Dockery

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Dec 17, 2010, 12:21:46 PM12/17/10
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"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Will Dockery wrote:
>> "c&c" wrote:
>
> > > If you could
> > > demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>
> > New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>
> > I generally
>
> blablabla
>
> You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.

Not intentional, Corey... you asked, or rather stated:

"...If you could demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new
poetic forms..."

And I responded with some facts to back up my statement about my habit
of trying new forms.

--
Music & poetry by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 12:49:10 PM12/17/10
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On Dec 17, 12:21 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not intentional, Corey... you asked, or rather stated:
>
> "...If you could demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new
> poetic forms..."
>
> And I responded with some facts to back up my statement about my habit
> of trying new forms.

I'm not interested in reading some blabla facts to back up your blabla
statement. I've written more in the past five hours than you've
written in the past year because I write constantly; here, there,
everywhere, for any reason at all. If you had any interest in trying
something new, you'd be trying something new all the time; here,
there, everywhere. You don't. Instead you point to the same tired
old shit in the same tired old way you always have, and always do.
Look at the quote again, and maybe you'll see what pisses me off. You
obviously didn't, or can't read. If you could demonstrate an interest
in learning ...

Meat Plow

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Dec 17, 2010, 12:55:07 PM12/17/10
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Care? Certainly you jest.

--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse

Barbara's Cat

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Dec 17, 2010, 1:19:27 PM12/17/10
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Corey said:

> You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.


Sometimes?

--
Cm~

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c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 1:36:40 PM12/17/10
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Okay, since you decided to stick your big Meaty nose into this mess,
I'll use you as a perfect example. You used to be in the music biz,
right? Apparently still know a people, and even showed a Dockery
video to a few of your friends/colleagues, if I recall correctly.
Made a big joke of his ridiculous ass, end of story.

Consider the same scenario, different circumstances. What if, at some
point in the last however long you've known of him, Will had shown
that he cared enough to go the extra mile, learn a little bit about
you, and considered your opinion valuable, rather than his endless tit
for tat non-responsive blatherings. What if his "work" were not
essentially any different, but that you were more disposed to consider
him favorably based on a history of friendship and mutual respect in
your online interpersonal exchanges. How would that have affected the
way you introduced his material to those who were previously
unfamiliar? How is your presentation of new material received amongst
your musical peers; i.e. does your word command any respect whatever?
Could a respectful word from you amongst your musical peers possibly
have any favorable effect on the fortunes of Will Dockery?

Unfortunately, we'll never know because Will never cared enough to
find out.

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 1:38:18 PM12/17/10
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A guy just tries to be bit generous, and you've got to question his
personal integrity? Fuck you.

Will Dockery

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Dec 17, 2010, 1:50:41 PM12/17/10
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Cythera said:
>
> You and George

You seem to think a lot about me and George, don't you, Cythera?

--
Music & poetry by Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 2:23:51 PM12/17/10
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On Dec 17, 1:21 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Meat Plow said:

>
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> "c&c" wrote:
>
> >> > If you could demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>
> >> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > Care? Certainly you jest.
>
> Since by your own admission you've never written a poem or a song,
> Meat, I don't see how you could pretend to care?

It's as obvious to me that he cares, and doesn't have to pretend as it
is that you pretend to care.
You pretend to care, Will. He doesn't. You pretend to care about
poetic forms. You pretend to care about other people's interests in
writing, or this group. You pretend all the time. You pretend that
"Will Dockery" is quotable. You simply aren't, because you only
pretend to care.

Meat Plow

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Dec 17, 2010, 3:10:33 PM12/17/10
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:36:40 -0800, c&c wrote:

> On Dec 17, 12:55 pm, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:03:41 -0800, c&c wrote:
>> > On Dec 17, 11:57 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> "c&c" wrote:
>>
>> >> > If you could
>> >> > demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>>
>> >> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>>
>> >> I generally
>>
>> > blablabla
>>
>> > You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.
>> > Especially when you're afraid you have no idea what the fuck you're
>> > talking about, like now.  Stop acting like ... that.  It pisses
>> > people, like me, off, if you care at all about such things.
>>
>> Care? Certainly you jest.
>
> Okay, since you decided to stick your big Meaty nose into this mess,
> I'll use you as a perfect example.

Get over your blowhard-self Corey.

<snip>

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 3:37:36 PM12/17/10
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Get over my blowhard-self for me since I obviously haven't given you
the slightest indication that I am capable, or possess the
wherewithall to get over my blowhard-self on my own, silly snipper.

Meat Plow

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Dec 17, 2010, 4:15:46 PM12/17/10
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I think you are capable of getting over your own blowhard self. Your name
isn't Will Dockery after all.

<nothing to snip>

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 4:27:54 PM12/17/10
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I can prove you wrong, and you know it. Don't make me prattle on you,
because if you understand anything about me then you know there's no
telling where that's likely to lead, and illustrates that you really
have no concept or concern for the depth of my prattling depravity,
and the effect it may have on both my family and yours, which should
be your most immediate concern, not mine necessarily, but I'd hope
that your immediate concern, particularly at this time of year, would
be your family, and saving them from exposure to, or expression and
relation to others in such pointlessly depraved prattle as this. I
mean, if you're not concerned for yourself, I'd think you'd at least
show a little care for them, so whatever you do, please don't ever
show them anything like this, okay?

Meat Plow

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Dec 17, 2010, 4:46:49 PM12/17/10
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Ok so you can't control yourself. Not a big deal since you are in the
company of the master of lack of self control and humility.

<snipabunchofshit>

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:00:08 PM12/17/10
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Exactly. Thank you. I couldn't have said it better. Have a great
one.

Will Dockery

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:00:13 PM12/17/10
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Meat Plow said:

>c&c wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote
>>>"c&c" wrote:
>
> >> > You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.
> >> > Especially when you're afraid you have no idea what the fuck you're
> >> > talking about, like now. Stop acting like ... that. It pisses
> >> > people, like me, off, if you care at all about such things.
>
> >> Care? Certainly you jest.
>
> > Okay, since you decided to stick your big Meaty nose into this mess,
> > I'll use you as a perfect example.
>
> Get over your blowhard-self Corey.
>
> <snip>

Hmmm... what was that you were blabbering about people who <snip>,
Meat?

Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
"better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a
song?

> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>

> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...

--
She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:06:10 PM12/17/10
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On Dec 17, 6:00 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a
> song?

"No, YOU really the a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes,


Will.
Especially when you're afraid you have no idea what the fuck you're
talking about, like now. Stop acting like ... that. It pisses
people, like me, off, if you care at all about such things."

God I hate it when you make me repeat nyself. It's not him, Will.
It's you. He's real. You're just a real dick.

Meat Plow

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:08:28 PM12/17/10
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You too. Give my regards to your mentor Dockery.

Meat Plow

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:11:07 PM12/17/10
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Your mentor Dockery has to learn when he takes a jab at someone he needs
to get out of the way of his own fist first.

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:25:31 PM12/17/10
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Mentor is your word. If you've got words regarding mentor for
Dockery, pass them on yourself. He obviously doen't listen to my
blowhard-self, no thanks to you.

Will Dockery

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:41:03 PM12/17/10
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"c&c" wrote:
>
> Mentor is your word. If you've got words regarding mentor for
> Dockery, pass them on yourself. He obviously doen't listen to my
> blowhard-self

No, I definitely have taken note of quite a few good points you've
made over the years, man... we just rarely agree on many issues.

> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 6:48:49 PM12/17/10
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On Dec 17, 6:41 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" wrote:
>
> > Mentor is your word. If you've got words regarding mentor for
> > Dockery, pass them on yourself.  He obviously doen't listen to my
> > blowhard-self
>
> No, I definitely have taken note of quite a few good points you've
> made over the years, man... we just rarely agree on many issues.

It's not my fault you're too stupid to just say I'm right when you
know I'm right, and work with it. You've got to hedge and say I'm
"probably" right, and then go off into some insignificant tangent
about yourself. We rarely agree because you're a moron, too stupid
and stubborn to humble yourself and admit when you're just plain
wrong. It's really that simple.

Will Dockery

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Dec 17, 2010, 7:10:49 PM12/17/10
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Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?

<snip for focus>

> Dockery has to learn when he takes a jab

Not at all, just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.

> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...

--
Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6u6GNe6Kk

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 7:26:20 PM12/17/10
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I've got your mentor hangin', pal, and Dockery wouldn't know a jab
from a right cross or roundhouse. Some people just don't know when to
tap out, and it can be really painful to watch. My wife won't even
come in the room if that shit's on. I used to mix it up a bit, so for
me it's a guilty pleasure not unlike watching porn which ironically
doesn't really do much for me anymore.

c&c

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Dec 17, 2010, 7:27:58 PM12/17/10
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On Dec 17, 7:10 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> > >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> > >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> > >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > Dockery has to learn when he takes a jab
>
> Not at all, just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.

But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts", which makes
you sound like an idiot.

George Dance

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Dec 17, 2010, 8:10:33 PM12/17/10
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On Dec 17, 6:48 pm, "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We rarely agree because you're a moron, too stupid
> and stubborn to humble yourself and admit when you're just plain
> wrong.  It's really that simple.


This is worth keeping.

Will Dockery

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Dec 18, 2010, 1:36:51 PM12/18/10
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"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
>> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
>> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
>> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.

>
> But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"

Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was


having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when

it turned out he'd never even written a song.

c&c

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Dec 18, 2010, 1:48:36 PM12/18/10
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On Dec 18, 1:36 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
> >> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>
> > But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> it turned out he'd never even written a song.

You're a liar; simple as that. I was here. I remember exactly. You
haven't reminded anybody of any "established facts". You're
obviously, demonstrably, lying again. You can go on your little
tirade, again, but the FACT is established here and now that you're a
despicable lying sack of shit; jealousy, and envy ooze from your every
syllable.

Will Dockery

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Dec 18, 2010, 1:54:34 PM12/18/10
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"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> > >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> > >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> > >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
> > >> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>
> > > But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> > Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> > having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> > it turned out he'd never even written a song.
>
>  You're a liar

No, I'm not... these facts are archived, and discussed here often.

--
Red Lipped Stranger / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144

c&c

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On Dec 18, 1:54 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> >> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> > > >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> > > >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> > > >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
> > > >> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>
> > > > But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> > > Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> > > having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> > > it turned out he'd never even written a song.
>
> >  You're a liar
>
> No, I'm not... these facts are archived, and discussed here often.

No, you keep repeating your nonsense lies, often. You're a
transparent, hateful liar.

Will Dockery

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Dec 18, 2010, 2:30:26 PM12/18/10
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"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
> >"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> > > > >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> > > > >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> > > > >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
> > > > >> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>
> > > > > But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> > > > Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> > > > having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> > > > it turned out he'd never even written a song.
>
> you keep repeating

The way this is going, it looks like I'll be repeating it again,
detail for detail, then, which is fine with me since I know my facts
and can prove them true.

> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...

--

c&c

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Dec 18, 2010, 2:41:02 PM12/18/10
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On Dec 18, 2:30 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
> > >"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > > >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> > > > > >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> > > > > >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> > > > > >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
> > > > > >> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>
> > > > > > But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> > > > > Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> > > > > having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> > > > > it turned out he'd never even written a song.
>
> > you keep repeating
>
> The way this is going, it looks like I'll be repeating it again,
> detail for detail, then, which is fine with me since I know my facts
> and can prove them true.

Right, the way this is going, with you snipping replies and focusing
on your nonsense, we will undoubtedly return to more of the same,
tired old regurgitated nonsense reflecting your Meatplow fable, which
we both, on different levels, know is one pure hateful lie piled on
another. You won't prove anything to anybody. You'll reestablish
yourself to me as a narrow minded, hateful purveyer of garbage rather
than truth, and I'll have to completely regroup in terms of trying to
connect in any sort of respectful, meaningful way with you. I'd
rather not waste the afternoon that way, so I'll just tell you all of
this, and leave it at that. Have a good day.

Will Dockery

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Dec 18, 2010, 2:51:28 PM12/18/10
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c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
>> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
>> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
>> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.

<snip for focus>

> reflecting your Meatplow fable

*Yawn*.

Yeah, whatever.

c&c

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Dec 18, 2010, 2:54:55 PM12/18/10
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On Dec 18, 2:51 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:

> <snip for focus>

> *Yawn*.

> Yeah, whatever.

My sentiments exactly, only I don't fake yawn; I'm just tired of your
disrespecful bullshit. Piss off.

Will Dockery

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Dec 18, 2010, 2:59:58 PM12/18/10
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"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > <snip for focus>
>
> *Yawn*.
> > Yeah, whatever.
>
> My sentiments exactly

For once we agree on something, then!

Now, to get back on-topic:

> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...

--

c&c

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Dec 18, 2010, 3:13:50 PM12/18/10
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On Dec 18, 2:59 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > <snip for focus>
>
> > *Yawn*.
> > > Yeah, whatever.
>
> > My sentiments exactly
>
> For once we agree on something, then!
>
> Now, to get back on-topic:

Fuck you. You're not the topic here. Never were. You're not a poet
because you hate poetry. You just want to be seen as a poet, because
you think it a more romantic excuse for being and doing nothing with
your life than just being the do nothing you are, so you cover
yourself with turd words, words you think will impress, and pretend
that you understand words like 'form', which anybody who can read
sees, and by seeing knows that you haven't even the vaguest idea what
you're mumbling about.

I studied form; you didn't. The fact that I studied form is evident
in everything I write to everyone who has studied form. You didn't
study form; so you have no real idea what I'm writing about except to
the extent that you saw a couple of smart people talking about forms
once, and you decided to mimic them, ape like, thinking it would
convince people that you were smart too. Will, you're not smart too
because you didn't put the work in, and it's insulting to people who
did put the work in that you treat the work with such disrespect.

Meat Plow

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Geez Corey take it easy.

c&c

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Too much, huh? Sorry. I'm a little excitable today I suppose.
Broken foot means I can't run, and I'm going stir crazy.

Will Dockery

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"c&c" wrote:
>
> You're not a poet

Thanks for giving your opinion, but the fact is I've written hundreds of
poems.

Here's a few from the archives:

Dream Tears:
http://tinyurl.com/2dtrb

Left Handed Summer:
http://tinyurl.com/29u63

Tuesday With Little Spain:
http://tinyurl.com/2295w

Shadowville Ballet:
http://tinyurl.com/23hza

Elephant Girl On Rankin:
http://tinyurl.com/2r7th

Opera Positions:
http://tinyurl.com/27kvm

Self Portrait:
http://tinyurl.com/36tcw

Combat Zone:
http://tinyurl.com/yvsbb

Looking Over The Bridge:
http://tinyurl.com/2b5ze

Mirror Twins:
http://tinyurl.com/2rj5t

Eating Rainbows For Breakfast:
http://tinyurl.com/34k5z

A Convolution In Her:
http://tinyurl.com/22von

Chapter One In This Compacted Book:
http://tinyurl.com/373u7

Spirit Song Horses:
http://tinyurl.com/2gdjx

Even As In Morning:
http://tinyurl.com/yqkap

Fawn Greyhound:
http://tinyurl.com/2xuyh

Ritual Memory:
http://tinyurl.com/24zdd

Skirt Of Printed Sunflowers:
http://tinyurl.com/22o7f

Retouched Evil:
http://tinyurl.com/27onq

Invasion Of The Warrior Lords:
http://tinyurl.com/3c4dz

Gold Like A Broken Ring:
http://tinyurl.com/2e9wp

Green Ringlets:
http://tinyurl.com/2yho6

Salt Ripple:
http://tinyurl.com/25632

And btw, thanks in advance.

"But, truly, I have wept too much! The Dawns are heartbreaking. Every
moon is atrocious and every sun bitter." -Arthur Rimbaud

c&c

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On Dec 18, 3:41 pm, "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" wrote:
>
> > You're not a poet
>
> Thanks for giving your opinion, but the fact is I've written hundreds of
> poems.

I know; I've read dozens of them. You prove my point. You disrespect
yourself and the words you use by calling yourself a poet without
truly knowing what the word means, and trust me, you haven't the
vaguest idea what the word poet means because I've seen you look it
up, and try to explain, and describe it relative to yourself for more
than a decade, and you've never succeeded, much less been able to
figure out why you've failed so miserably in the attempt.

Meat Plow

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I'm not a Dockery 'hater.' While I find his lack of decorum and humility
abhorrent, I chalk it up to ignorance rather than subterfuge. He
certainly appears as having an agenda to shamelessly self-promote however
it's not necessarily evil.

Just sayin'

Hope your broken foot mends soon. I know how it is to have such an injury
having smashed my right foot and ankle in a Harley vs auto back in the
70's.

Will Dockery

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Meat Plow wrote:
>
> Hope your broken foot mends soon. I know how it is to have such an injury
> having smashed my right foot and ankle in a Harley vs auto back in the
> 70's.

Yeah, here, too... in November 1978, the brakes failed on an electric hand
truck I was using at the mill, and it ran backwards over my right foot, as I
watched the foot snap all the way around backwards, then snap back. Ouch...
not a visual I enjoy replaying.

c&c

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Ignorance is bliss. Willful ignorance is stupid. Willfull stupidity
is just evil. The resemblence is often striking. Try to not let the
striking difference hit you where it hurts.

> Hope your broken foot mends soon. I know how it is to have such an injury
> having smashed my right foot and ankle in a Harley vs auto back in the
> 70's.

I'm a junkie, and I need my endorphin/adrenaline cocktail. It's this
here, or I jump out the window. I hoping you'd rather me not jump.
Like I said, foot's already broke.

Will Dockery

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"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm a junkie, and I need my endorphin/adrenaline cocktail. It's this
> here, or I jump out the window. I hoping you'd rather me not jump.
> Like I said, foot's already broke.

Sorry about your foot. How did that happen?

J Corey Connor

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On Dec 18, 4:20 pm, "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm a junkie, and I need my endorphin/adrenaline cocktail.  It's this
> > here, or I jump out the window.  I hoping you'd rather me not jump.
> > Like I said, foot's already broke.
>
> Sorry about your foot. How did that happen?

Don't even pretend to give a shit now. Fuch you; fuck off.

Will Dockery

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J Corey Connor <JCOREYCON...@AOL.COM> wrote:

>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm a junkie, and I need my endorphin/adrenaline cocktail. It's this
> > > here, or I jump out the window. I hoping you'd rather me not jump.
> > > Like I said, foot's already broke.
>
> > Sorry about your foot. How did that happen?
>
> Don't even pretend

To be such a self-proclaimed mystic seer, you sure aren't much of a
judge of sincerity, are you?

> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...

--

Peter J Ross

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Dec 19, 2010, 1:46:36 PM12/19/10
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:57:14 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "c&c" wrote:
>>
>> If you could
>> demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>
> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.


>
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.

Jesus
fuck
and a half!

I honestly assumed that even Dreckery could count up to ten.

Hint for Dreckery: the word "Décima" contains an etymological clue.

--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:36:51 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
>>> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
>>> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
>>> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>>> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>>
>> But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> it turned out he'd never even written a song.

Come off it, Dreckery. A tone-deaf man who tries to whistle Stairway
To Heaven in his bath creates music that's better than yours.


--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:05:26 -0500, Will
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Meat Plow wrote:
>>
>> Hope your broken foot mends soon. I know how it is to have such an injury
>> having smashed my right foot and ankle in a Harley vs auto back in the
>> 70's.
>
> Yeah, here, too... in November 1978, the brakes failed on an electric hand
> truck I was using at the mill, and it ran backwards over my right foot, as I
> watched the foot snap all the way around backwards, then snap back. Ouch...
> not a visual I enjoy replaying.

Was it something much heavier that ran over your brain?


--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:21:17 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Meat Plow said:


>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>> "c&c" wrote:
>>
>>> > If you could demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>>
>>> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>

> <snip for focus>
>
>> Care? Certainly you jest.
>
> Since by your own admission you've never written a poem or a song,
> Meat, I don't see how you could pretend to care?

The words "reader" and "listener" are probably in Google. You know
what Google is: it's that box on your screen into which you type the
words "Will" and "Dockery" fifty times every day.


--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:30:26 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The way this is going, it looks like I'll be repeating it again,

No change there, then.

Of course, repeating the same thing over and over again is precisely
what Usenet spamming is.

--
PJR :-)

Will Dockery

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Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> repeating the same thing over and over again

Still will not make it true, as much as you seem to desperately wish
it would, PJR.

> > I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> > months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> > Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> > the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> >>> Decima
>
> >>> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> >>> Film into the eyeless abyss
> >>> To a level in lighted mist
> >>> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> >>> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> >>> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> >>> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> >>> A weird sister without anger.
>

> >>> -Will Dockery

--
Will Dockery & Henry Conley - Truck Stop Woman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6u6GNe6Kk

Will Dockery

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Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> Name one thing you've learned in AAPC, and one new thing you've tried.

The example of the Decima is one, as I posted about earlier:

> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>

> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time.

The Sestina is another I learned about and wrote several of. Here's
one of several Sestinas I've written:

http://www.rammsteinuk.com/346706

Honeytrip Sestina

Beads of sweat, I'm driving on 280,
thinking about a lonesome wildflower.
Cross country for this honeytrip,
going down to incant a shadowmusic,
joined on stage by her fiddle,
swear to god I really miss her.

She knows that I've missed her,
she drives alone on highway 280.
Her grandfather also played fiddle,
and grew gov'ment wildflowers.
Let him play his shadowmusic,
as we recall the honeytrip.

Backpacked, hitchhiked to honeytrip,
waterfall spray did mist her,
we formed a band to play shadowmusic.
Down in Salem, on Highway 280,
saw the sign of Project Wildflower,
a contra agent but plays good fiddle.

In the night sirens played fiddle,
rustling wail of honey trip.
Behind her ear was a wildflower,
I knew some day I would miss her.
Looking for tea olive on 280,
to play a few hours of shadowmusic.

Down a moonlit mile wild shadowmusic,
Bibb Mill burned as he played fiddle.
Westbound down Highway 280,
like a hound for the honeytrip,
after all her lies I still missed her,
blowing kisses from a field of wildflowers.

Sang a melody like "Wildwood Flower",
she made it her own kind of shadowmusic.
When he stepped on stage we called him mister,
ghost of Sgt. Fury playing show fiddle.
The only crown prince of honey trip,
people parked and walked from 280.

Smell the wildflowers, surrounded by shadowmusic,
I miss her and her grandfather's fiddle.
Lonesome old honeytrip, in a hollow off 280.

-Will Dockery

--
Will Dockery & Henry Conley - Truck Stop Woman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6u6GNe6Kk

> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

George Dance

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On Dec 19, 1:46 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:57:14 -0800 (PST), Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> > months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> > Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> > the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> > Decima
>
> > Decima, aim your rod to screen
> > Film into the eyeless abyss
> > To a level in lighted mist
> > Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> > Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
<us> Born illuminated and queer
<us> Shake fate infinity mirror

> > Glowing light child of Kaos string
> > Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> > A weird sister without anger.
>

<us> = unsnip


> Jesus
> fuck
> and a half!
>
> I honestly assumed that even Dreckery could count up to ten.
>

Are you sure you counted all of his lines, PJ?


Meat Plow

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I wonder how many bales of straw it takes Dockery to continue to make all
these "never written a poem" straw men?

Meat Plow

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Jeezus, another "Meat Plow was having fantasies" straw man. I've been a
paid musician going on 27 years. Not looking at my tax returns but
guessing I've made well over 60k just playing a couple nights a week.
That's not much by today's standards but for doing something as more of a
hobby than anything it's a fair chunk of pocket change. And it would be
fair to say Dockery will never touch that amount. Nor will he have worked
with the musicians I've worked with in studio who have maid millions.

Will Dockery

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George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> > > months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> > > Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> > > the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> > >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> > > Decima
>
> > > Decima, aim your rod to screen
> > > Film into the eyeless abyss
> > > To a level in lighted mist
> > > Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> > > Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
>
> <us> Born illuminated and queer
> <us> Shake fate infinity mirror
>
> > > Glowing light child of Kaos string
> > > Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> > > A weird sister without anger.
>
> <us> = unsnip
>
> > Jesus
> > fuck
> > and a half!
>
> > I honestly assumed that even Dreckery could count up to ten.
>
> Are you sure you counted all of his lines, PJ?

PJR often forgets the Hammes Mantra:

"Try to have your insults make sense."

--
Music & poetry of Will Dockery & friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

George Dance

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IMO, that's a new low. Seeing them change the line breaks on other
people's poems is bad enough; but snipping out selected lines is
something I've never seen from them before.

Meat Plow

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:50:37 -0800, George Dance wrote:

> IMO, that's a new low. Seeing them change the line breaks on other
> people's poems is bad enough; but snipping out selected lines is
> something I've never seen from them before.

Funny, I see it all the time from you and Duckery. But then it's only ok
when you two do it huh?

George Dance

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On Dec 20, 4:56 pm, Meat Plow <mhyw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:50:37 -0800, George Dance wrote:
> > IMO, that's a new low. Seeing them change the line breaks on other
> > people's poems is bad enough; but snipping out selected lines is
> > something I've never seen from them before.
>
> Funny, I see it all the time from you

Or, more likely, you imagine it. We've seen plenty of evidence that
you can't tell the difference.

Will Dockery

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Good old Meat Plow, never a player but such good cheerleader from the
sidelines... heh.

> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> > Decima
>
> > Decima, aim your rod to screen
> > Film into the eyeless abyss
> > To a level in lighted mist
> > Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> > Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam

> > Glowing light child of Kaos string
> > Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> > A weird sister without anger.
>

> > -Will Dockery
>
> > This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> > Decima, but I digress...

--

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:50:37 -0800 (PST),
eeorge Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

How many lines are there in the "Décima" written by your beloved
darling Dreckery in the article I replied to, lying kook?

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/f416d390c18c7bf9?dmode=source>

It looks a lot like eight lines to me.

You must be *really* desperate if you're reduced to lying about
something that's so very easy to check "in the archives".

--
PJR :-)

George Dance

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On Dec 22, 2:21 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:50:37 -0800 (PST),
>

Ten, of course; the eight you quoted and the two I unsnipped.

> in the article I replied to, lying kook?

> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/f416d390c18c7bf9?dm...>


>
> It looks a lot like eight lines to me.
>

So you quoted a version one of your shitbuddies had already "edited".
<shrug>

> You must be *really* desperate if you're reduced to lying about
> something that's so very easy to check "in the archives".
>

So, rather than lie about it, why don't you go check it "in the
archives"?
http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

Will Dockery

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George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

<snip for focus>

> > You must be *really* desperate if you're reduced to lying about
> > something that's so very easy to check "in the archives".
>
> So, rather than lie about it, why don't you go check it "in the
> archives"?

http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

Decima

Decima, aim your rod to screen
Film into the eyeless abyss
To a level in lighted mist
Tenth norn of afterimage dream
Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam

Born illuminated and queer


Shake fate infinity mirror
Glowing light child of Kaos string
Nightswim bouncing and measuring
A weird sister without anger.

-Will Dockery

This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
Decima, but I digress...

--
"Shadowville Speedway" CD on Artemis Records:
http://www.artemisrecords.net/dockeryconley.html

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:53:07 -0800 (PST),
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Dec 22, 2:21 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> How many lines are there in the "Décima" written by your beloved
>> darling Dreckery
>
> Ten, of course; the eight you quoted and the two I unsnipped.

And how many were included in the post to which I replied?

>> in the article I replied to, lying kook?
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/f416d390c18c7bf9?dm...>

Oh look, the URL has "accidently" been curtailed again.

>> It looks a lot like eight lines to me.
>
> So you quoted a version one of your shitbuddies had already "edited".
> <shrug>

Why do you think Dreckery is "one of my shitbuddies"?

>> You must be *really* desperate if you're reduced to lying about
>> something that's so very easy to check "in the archives".
>>
>
> So, rather than lie about it, why don't you go check it "in the
> archives"?

I did check it in the archives and I provided an URL, which you
"accidentally" curtailed when quoting it.

> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dreckery and
Hammes in 2007 to what Dreckery posted last week.


--
PJR :-)

Will Dockery

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Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> How many lines are there in the "Décima" [by Will Dockery]?

Again, here it is, PJR:

http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

Decima

Decima, aim your rod to screen
Film into the eyeless abyss
To a level in lighted mist
Tenth norn of afterimage dream
Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam

Born illuminated and queer


Shake fate infinity mirror
Glowing light child of Kaos string
Nightswim bouncing and measuring
A weird sister without anger.

-Will Dockery

Peter J Ross

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Dec 22, 2010, 4:33:30 PM12/22/10
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:15:28 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Born illuminated and queer
> Shake fate infinity mirror
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.

I've already commented on your eight-line version of this. Do you want
comments on the ten-line version? If so, please obey the standard
poetry-newsgroup conventions by posting it either to RAP or to AAPC or
to both, but not crossposted between them.

Provisionally, all I can say is that you ought to try to have your
décimas make sense, or rhyme, or scan, or generally be less
unspeakably shitty.


--
PJR :-)

George Dance

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On Dec 22, 4:24 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:53:07 -0800 (PST),
> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Dec 22, 2:21 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> How many lines are there in the "Décima" written by your beloved
> >> darling Dreckery
> > Ten, of course; the eight you quoted and the two I unsnipped.
>
> And how many were included in the post to which I replied?
>
> >> in the article I replied to, lying kook?
> >> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.poems/msg/f416d390c18c7bf9?dm...>
>
> Oh look, the URL has "accidently" been curtailed again.
>

Don't ask me. I didn't use it.

> >> It looks a lot like eight lines to me.
>
> > So you quoted a version one of your shitbuddies had already "edited".
> > <shrug>
>
> Why do you think Dreckery is "one of my shitbuddies"?
>

Are you trying to pretend Will snipped his own poem?

> >> You must be *really* desperate if you're reduced to lying about
> >> something that's so very easy to check "in the archives".
>
> > So, rather than lie about it, why don't you go check it "in the
> > archives"?

>
> I did check it in the archives


> and I provided an URL, which you
> "accidentally" curtailed when quoting it.
>

Actually, lying kook, you added in the "accidentally curtailed" claim
yourself.


> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dreckery and
> Hammes in 2007 to what Dreckery posted last week.
>

That's the archives you just said you checked, fool. If you had, you'd
have seen the relevance.


> --
> PJR :-)

Will Dockery

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Dec 22, 2010, 5:05:46 PM12/22/10
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Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

<snip for focus>

> Actually, lying kook, you added in the "accidentally curtailed" claim
> yourself.
>
>http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>

> Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007

It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine, for one
thing, PJR:

http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

> On May 16, 4:32 pm, "Dennis M. Hammes" wrote:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>

>>>I produce works of art...


>>
>>>Decima
>>
>>>Decima, aim your rod to screen
>>>Film into the eyeless abyss
>>>To a level in lighted mist
>>>Tenth norn of afterimage dream
>>>Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
>>>Born illuminated and queer
>>>Shake fate infinity mirror
>>>Glowing light child of Kaos string
>>>Nightswim bouncing and measuring
>>>A weird sister without anger.
>>

>>>-Will Dockery
>>
>>BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaa.a.aa.a..a...

And so on...

George Dance

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On Dec 22, 5:05 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > Actually, lying kook, you added in the "accidentally curtailed" claim
> > yourself.
>
> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> > Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007
>
> It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine, for one
> thing, PJR:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
>

Yes; and it also contains the post in which Dennis Hammes snipped the
two lines. That's the version you quoted earlier. I can't blame you
for missing Dennis's post-editing; I'm sure the dea of post-editing
someone else's poem is one that would never occur to you. I doubt that
it would have occurred to me, except for the experience of PJ changing
all the line breaks of my "December" earlier in this thread.

I didn't even blame PJ for not catching that himself, and therefore
jumping to the wrong conclusion, at first. It's only after I gave him
the link showing him what happened, and he decided to cover up for
Dennis by accusing me of "lying" about it, that I put it down to his
dishonesty once again.

Will Dockery

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On Dec 22, 5:17 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Dec 22, 5:05 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <snip for focus>
>
> > > Actually, lying kook, you added in the "accidentally curtailed" claim
> > > yourself.
>
> > >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> > > Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007
>
> > It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine, for one
> > thing, PJR:
>
> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Yes; and it also contains the post in which Dennis Hammes snipped the
> two lines. That's the version you quoted earlier. I can't blame you
> for missing Dennis's post-editing; I'm sure the dea of post-editing
> someone else's poem is one that would never occur to you. I doubt that
> it would have occurred to me, except for the experience of PJ changing
> all the line breaks of my "December" earlier in this thread.
>
> I didn't even blame PJ for not catching that himself, and therefore
> jumping to the wrong conclusion, at first. It's only after I gave him
> the link showing him what happened, and he decided to cover up for
> Dennis by accusing me of "lying" about it, that I put it down to his
> dishonesty once again.

Bizarre move, one of many for Mister Hammes, of course.

> > >>>Decima
>
> > >>>Decima, aim your rod to screen
> > >>>Film into the eyeless abyss
> > >>>To a level in lighted mist
> > >>>Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> > >>>Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> > >>>Born illuminated and queer
> > >>>Shake fate infinity mirror
> > >>>Glowing light child of Kaos string
> > >>>Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> > >>>A weird sister without anger.
>

> > >>>-Will Dockery:

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:05:46 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> <snip for focus>
>
>> Actually, lying kook, you added in the "accidentally curtailed" claim
>> yourself.
>>
>>http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>>
>> Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007
>
> It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine,

So why did you cut two lines when you posted it recently? Was that
your first ever attempt at revising your "work", or was it just a
drunken mistake?

<doggerel snipped>


--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:17:09 -0800 (PST),
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Dec 22, 5:05 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> <snip for focus>
>>
>> > Actually, lying kook, you added in the "accidentally curtailed" claim
>> > yourself.
>>
>> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>>
>> > Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007
>>
>> It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine, for one
>> thing, PJR:
>>
>> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>>
>>
>
> Yes; and it also contains the post in which Dennis Hammes snipped the
> two lines. That's the version you quoted earlier. I can't blame you
> for missing Dennis's post-editing; I'm sure the dea of post-editing
> someone else's poem is one that would never occur to you.

You crack me up, Dunce. Who else could conceivably talk straight-faced
to the Dreckster as if there were any low trick of which his was
incapable?

> I doubt that
> it would have occurred to me, except for the experience of PJ changing
> all the line breaks of my "December" earlier in this thread.

Awww, did I ruin the greatest poem you've ever written? Poor little
Duncie-boy!

> I didn't even blame PJ for not catching that himself, and therefore
> jumping to the wrong conclusion, at first. It's only after I gave him
> the link showing him what happened, and he decided to cover up for
> Dennis by accusing me of "lying" about it, that I put it down to his
> dishonesty once again.

It's quite revealing that the Dreckster pasted in the eight-line
version of his drivel without noticing anything wrong with it.

It's also quite revealing that you're desperately trying to defend
him, even to the extent of trying to blame somebody who died many
months ago for what the Dreckster posted last week.


--
PJR :-)

Will Dockery

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Dec 23, 2010, 11:53:18 AM12/23/10
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Peter J Ross said:

>Will Dockery wrote:
>
>>http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> >> Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007
>
> > It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine,
>
> So why did you cut two lines

I didn't cut any lines, here it is as I wrote it:

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:53:18 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter J Ross said:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>>
>> >> Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007
>>
>> > It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine,
>>
>> So why did you cut two lines
>
> I didn't cut any lines,

You did, as the links I've recently posted prove.

Why do you persist in lying even when everybody knows you're lying,
Dreckery?


--
PJR :-)

Message has been deleted

Will Dockery

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Peter J Ross said:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > I didn't cut any lines,
>
> You did

No, I didn't... apparently Dennis Hammes did:

http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

Here is the unedited version:

Decima

Decima, aim your rod to screen
Film into the eyeless abyss
To a level in lighted mist
Tenth norn of afterimage dream
Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
Born illuminated and queer
Shake fate infinity mirror
Glowing light child of Kaos string
Nightswim bouncing and measuring
A weird sister without anger.

-Will Dockery

--
Music & poetry by Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

Cythera

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Dec 23, 2010, 12:19:41 PM12/23/10
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Persons with dissociative personality disorder:
Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible
rationalizations for the behavior bringing the subject into conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath

> --
> PJR :-)

Cythera

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Dec 23, 2010, 12:28:06 PM12/23/10
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On Dec 23, 9:08 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter J Ross said:
>
> >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > I didn't cut any lines,
>
> > You did
>
> No, I didn't... apparently Dennis Hammes did:
>
Probably it was george. He likes to steal things.

<snip>

Will Dockery

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Dec 23, 2010, 12:30:19 PM12/23/10
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Cythera said:

<snip for focus>

> Persons with dissociative personality disorder:
> Markedly prone to blame others

So that's your excuse for your constant casting of yourself as the
victim Cythera?

> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html

Decima

Decima, aim your rod to screen
Film into the eyeless abyss
To a level in lighted mist
Tenth norn of afterimage dream
Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
Born illuminated and queer
Shake fate infinity mirror
Glowing light child of Kaos string
Nightswim bouncing and measuring
A weird sister without anger.

-Will Dockery

--

Cythera

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Dec 23, 2010, 12:56:46 PM12/23/10
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On Dec 23, 9:30 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cythera said:
>
> <snip for focus>
>
> > Persons with dissociative personality disorder:
> >      Markedly prone to blame others
>
> So that's your excuse for your constant casting of yourself as the
> victim Cythera?
>
Try posting sober, drunky.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth
edition, DSM IV-TR = 301.7, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental
disorders, defines [Drunkery's and george's] antisocial personality
disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]

A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the
rights of others occurring for as long as either childhood, or in the
case of many who are influenced by environmental factors, around age
15, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors
as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for
arrest;

* 2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases,
or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
* 3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
* 4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated
physical fights or [online] assaults;

5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

* 6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to
sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
* 7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or
rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

8. promiscuity; [who'd have you]

* 9. having shallow or seemingly nonexistent feelings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath

If you ever sober up, you should talk to a doctor, Dockery.

m@tt

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Dec 23, 2010, 1:00:21 PM12/23/10
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On Dec 23, 10:56 am, slymera <cyth...@my-duckfuck.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 9:30 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:> Cythera said:


little duck fucker! get it ,little duck fucker.

Isn't Dockery illiterate? Well then, whey are
you talking to him, little duck fucker??

Did you ever ask yourself that??

George Dance

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Dec 23, 2010, 1:11:58 PM12/23/10
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Slymera & the SP think that popping around the group calling everyone
else "illiterate" is the way to appear educated. They've been doing
that for years.

It's in the archives. 8)

m@tt

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Dec 23, 2010, 1:18:43 PM12/23/10
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I don't mind a stupid flame. But, people
that go after Dockery, and think they're
being fresh or original, get on my online nerves.

That's why the whole "duck fucking" rant.

: )

Will Dockery

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Dec 23, 2010, 1:32:19 PM12/23/10
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"Cythera" said:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I didn't cut any lines... apparently Dennis Hammes did:

>
>Probably it was george. He likes to steal things.

You think about George a lot don't you, Cythera?

George Dance

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Dec 23, 2010, 1:43:37 PM12/23/10
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On Dec 23, 11:24 am, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:05:46 -0800 (PST),
>
> Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <snip for focus>
>
> >> Actually, lying kook, you added in the "accidentally curtailed" claim
> >> yourself.
>
> >>http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> >> Feel free to explain the relevance of a chat between Dockery and Hammes in 2007
>
> > It is an archived posting of the unedited Decima poem of mine,
>
> So why did you cut two lines when you posted it recently?


Your such a liar, PJ. It was actually your best bud (at the time)
Hammy Hog who cut those lines, as you were already told.

George Dance

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Dec 23, 2010, 1:53:30 PM12/23/10
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Agreed. Will's what he is: as the Landmark Institute would say,
"perfect and whole." There's nothing anyone else can do about it.


> That's why the whole "duck fucking" rant.
>

I think it's wonderful. And you've given me an idea. Assuming the SP
wiki ("SP-dia") ever gets off the ground, it needs an article on "duck
fucking". That's a huge story in itself.


> :  )

Will Dockery

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Dec 23, 2010, 4:49:21 PM12/23/10
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George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>"m@tt" <amirrorcan...@cox.net> wrote:

>>slymera <cyth...@my-duckfuck.com> wrote:
>
> > > Slymera & the SP think that popping around the group calling everyone
> > > else "illiterate" is the way to appear educated. They've been doing
> > > that for years.
>
> > > It's in the archives. 8)
>
> > I don't mind a stupid flame.  But, people
> > that go after Dockery, and think they're
> > being fresh or original, get on my online nerves.
>
> Agreed. Will's what he is: as the Landmark Institute would say,
> "perfect and whole." There's nothing anyone else can do about it.
>
> > That's why the whole "duck fucking" rant.
>
> I think it's wonderful. And you've given me an idea. Assuming the SP
> wiki ("SP-dia") ever gets off the ground, it needs an article on "duck
> fucking". That's a huge story in itself.> :  )

"Indeed.. -Marg/Pandora (who would certainly deserve an entry in such
a Wiki, as a member of good standing on *both* sides of the fence at
one time or another!)

--
Black Crow's Brother / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxO1RAYTIFA

Will Dockery

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Dec 23, 2010, 5:45:01 PM12/23/10
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Cythera said:
>
> His sociopathy

<snip>

You know that you've shown (& archived) some rather odd & interesting
behavior here over the years yourself, right, Cythera?

IOW, you seem to be projecting, here.

http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html


>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Born illuminated and queer
> Shake fate infinity mirror
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery

--
Music & poetry of Will Dockery & friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

Will Dockery

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Dec 23, 2010, 6:49:13 PM12/23/10
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George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > So why did you cut two lines when you posted it recently?
>
> Your such a liar, PJ. It was actually your best bud (at the time)
> Hammy Hog who cut those lines, as you were already told.

PJR seems to be having a bit of a comprehension problem tonight...too much
egg nog?

> >http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> > Decima
>
> > Decima, aim your rod to screen
> > Film into the eyeless abyss
> > To a level in lighted mist
> > Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> > Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> > Born illuminated and queer
> > Shake fate infinity mirror
> > Glowing light child of Kaos string
> > Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> > A weird sister without anger.
>
> > -Will Dockery

--
?"Christmas comes only once a year
why can't anybody shed just one tear
for things that don't happen all through the night?" -Lou Reed
http://www.youtube.com/user/WDockery

Will Dockery

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Dec 23, 2010, 10:33:33 PM12/23/10
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Cythera said:
>
> Try posting sober

Okay, Cythera, I'm sober... now what?

By the way, your self-proclaimed mind reading abilities are faulty
again.

> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
>Decima
>
>Decima, aim your rod to screen
>Film into the eyeless abyss
>To a level in lighted mist
>Tenth norn of afterimage dream
>Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
>Born illuminated and queer
>Shake fate infinity mirror
>Glowing light child of Kaos string
>Nightswim bouncing and measuring
>A weird sister without anger.
>
>-Will Dockery

Have a nice holiday, Cythera.

--
"Corning Town" / Will Dockery & Brian Mallard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njes_L9ZDgQ

Will Dockery

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Dec 24, 2010, 5:01:36 PM12/24/10
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George Dance wrote:
>
> Slymera & the SP

"God bless us every one." -Tiny Tim

> It's in the archives. 8)

Indeed, my friends!

And as our traditional Usenet X-Mas Truce begins... here's to a happy
holiday for you & yours, Mister Dance!

Now drink, dance & be merry, see y'all soon!

>>Decima
>
>>Decima, aim your rod to screen
>>Film into the eyeless abyss
>>To a level in lighted mist
>>Tenth norn of afterimage dream
>>Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
>>Born illuminated and queer
>>Shake fate infinity mirror
>>Glowing light child of Kaos string
>>Nightswim bouncing and measuring
>>A weird sister without anger.
>
>>-Will Dockery

--

George Dance

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Dec 24, 2010, 5:47:32 PM12/24/10
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On Dec 24, 5:01 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:

> George Dance wrote:
>
> "God bless us every one." -Tiny Tim
>
> > It's in the archives. 8)
>
> Indeed, my friends!
>
> And as our traditional Usenet X-Mas Truce begins... here's to a happy
> holiday for you & yours, Mister Dance!
>

Same right back atcha, Mr. Dockery.

Peter J Ross

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Dec 29, 2010, 9:28:58 AM12/29/10
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:06:31 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter J Ross said:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > I didn't cut any lines,
>>

>> You did
>
> No, I didn't... apparently Dennis Hammes did:

Why do you persist in blaming a dead man for what *you* posted?


--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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Dec 29, 2010, 9:33:24 AM12/29/10
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:43:37 -0800 (PST),
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Your such a liar
Holiday's in the sun

<*whoosh*>

--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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Dec 29, 2010, 9:34:19 AM12/29/10
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 23 Dec 2010 09:30:19 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cythera said:
>
> <snip for focus>
>
>> Persons with dissociative personality disorder:
>> Markedly prone to blame others
>
> So that's your excuse for your constant casting of yourself as the
> victim Cythera?

I K Y A B W A I ?

--
PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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Dec 29, 2010, 9:58:53 AM12/29/10
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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:47:32 -0800 (PST),
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Dec 24, 5:01 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> George Dance wrote:
>>
>> "God bless us every one." -Tiny Tim
>>
>> > It's in the archives. 8)
>>
>> Indeed, my friends!
>>
>> And as our traditional Usenet X-Mas Truce begins... here's to a happy
>> holiday for you & yours, Mister Dance!
>>
>
> Same right back atcha, Mr. Dockery.

I foresee exchanges of bodily fluids in the near future.

Yeuch!

There is, of course, no Traditional Christmas Truce between decent
people and scum like Dunce and Dreckery.

I haven't been checking the dates on their posts, but wouldn't it be a
great Christmas treat for every decent human being who participates in
Usenet if both Dunce and Dreckery were dead now?

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PJR :-)

Peter J Ross

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In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:33:33 -0800 (PST),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sober...

And I am Marie of Roumania!


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PJR :-)

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