Heh... so the real reason for your interest in visiting Shadowville is
revealed?
> > Did I start this mess?
>
> Usenet? Dockery?
> Seems unlikely.
>
> > If so, I'm glad I did, but this looks like it's been going on long
> > before I popped in.
> >
> > Uncle John and I both dig Mirror Twins
>
> You haven't read much poetry, right?
They know what they like, and there's room for an infinite variety of
poetry /and/ audience tastes, like it or not.
> > so we're going to feature it on
> > our next show. It's interesting, and that is what we're looking for.
And like it or not, many agree with this concept.
> Only from the standpoint of laughing at anyone stupid enough
> to perform it.
Henry and the boys are many things, stupid's not one of them... as
you'll see for yourself if you ever make it to Shadowville. As you
know, the recording of "Mirror Twins" was a /first take/. these guys
instinctively know where "Will Dockery" is /at/ and are a /band of
brothers/ who could follow [or lead, if needed] me anywhere /and/
finish the set... and leave 'em wanting more.
Just the facts, Jack.
> I mean, if you actually /like/ it, order a side of shit
> with your pizza, and you will have /it/. Chew your food.
Jeeeze, and Bishop wonders why I don't listen to him...
> > I understand those that have opinions and want to air them out here
> > (that IS what this place is for,)
Don't forget the whining and death threats... heh.
> It would be nice if Will had any ability to take opinions.
Heh... I almost also write "thank you for sharing your opinions",
narrow minded as they may be...
> Unfortunately he is a stone wall when it comes to feedback.
Ah, you lie... just yesterday I listened to Rob Evans on several
points. And Karla. Give me some feedback /worth/ listening to, and I'll
take it... your thoughts on "Mirror Twins" don't go anywhere past "I
hate it, throw it away", which is impossible... the little fucker's a
/hit/, old son.
> IQ tests aren't necessary of poetic licenses.
>
> So what if God is stupid.
Some say He's dead but his ghost dreams.
> > but I don't understand why someone
> > would be surprised about someone feeling passionate about their own
> > work? So naturally, they would post about their work repeatedly...how
> > do you think I got here?
>
> Just that Will's /work/ is so incredibly bad that /people talk/.
Out of their asses, mainly.
> Unlike you, some people here actually care about poetry.
I wrote a poem on the spot late last night while we were doing run
throughs if the new stuff. Henry blasted out some new chords and the
words were immediately obvious... I'm one of the few here that /cares/
about poetry enough to write and perform it every day.
> > And if you knew whom this was coming from you'd realize just how sad it
> > is when I become the voice of maturity and optimism. Sad, sad, sad.
>
> You guys are reasonably funny for a gay southern-fried talk show.
> The churches must think you are bizarre.
Good thing nobody's asking them...
> > Scotto
> > Tuesday Afternoon Show Co-host
> > www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com
Hell, yeah!
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Heh... "God is already dead, innit he?"
>
>> > Did I start this mess?
>>
>> Usenet? Dockery?
>> Seems unlikely.
>>
>> > If so, I'm glad I did, but this looks like it's been going on long
>> > before I popped in.
>> >
>> > Uncle John and I both dig Mirror Twins
>>
>> You haven't read much poetry, right?
>
> They know what they like, and there's room for an infinite variety of
> poetry /and/ audience tastes, like it or not.
Don't be overly sensitive. It was a fair question
to anyone that says they like your performance art.
>
>> > so we're going to feature it on
>> > our next show. It's interesting, and that is what we're looking for.
>
> And like it or not, many agree with this concept.
Imagine if you could write /real/ poetry, though,
and impress gay southern-fried DJ's too... :)
>
>> Only from the standpoint of laughing at anyone stupid enough
>> to perform it.
>
> Henry and the boys are many things, stupid's not one of them... as
> you'll see for yourself if you ever make it to Shadowville. As you
> know, the recording of "Mirror Twins" was a /first take/. these guys
> instinctively know where "Will Dockery" is /at/ and are a /band of
> brothers/ who could follow [or lead, if needed] me anywhere /and/
> finish the set... and leave 'em wanting more.
>
> Just the facts, Jack.
Heh.
>
>> I mean, if you actually /like/ it, order a side of shit
>> with your pizza, and you will have /it/. Chew your food.
>
> Jeeeze, and Bishop wonders why I don't listen to him...
I see, so I'm sorry I went to the trouble of commenting.
I should have known. :)
But...
If you continue with the line that MT is anything
but unspeakable shit, what do you expect?
I decomposed the first bit in detail.
You seem hopeless, Will.
>
>> > I understand those that have opinions and want to air them out here
>> > (that IS what this place is for,)
>
> Don't forget the whining and death threats... heh.
>
>> It would be nice if Will had any ability to take opinions.
>
> Heh... I almost also write "thank you for sharing your opinions",
> narrow minded as they may be...
I don't see what is narrow minded about asking for more
than abstract, imageless, punctuationless text posited as poetry.
>
>> Unfortunately he is a stone wall when it comes to feedback.
>
> Ah, you lie... just yesterday I listened to Rob Evans on several
> points. And Karla. Give me some feedback /worth/ listening to, and I'll
> take it... your thoughts on "Mirror Twins" don't go anywhere past "I
> hate it, throw it away", which is impossible... the little fucker's a
> /hit/, old son.
No, I was very elucidating. You seem to have no idea what
"images" are, WRT poetry. Not to mention punctuation, not to mention
mundane word choices, not to mention a lack of sense.
If it is a /hit/ in small town pizza joint in the deep south, with
instrumental backup and southern fried tit hanging in air, hallelujah,
pass the pizza.
>
>> IQ tests aren't necessary of poetic licenses.
>>
>> So what if God is stupid.
>
> Some say He's dead but his ghost dreams.
Some say it better than others.
>
>> > but I don't understand why someone
>> > would be surprised about someone feeling passionate about their own
>> > work? So naturally, they would post about their work repeatedly...how
>> > do you think I got here?
>>
>> Just that Will's /work/ is so incredibly bad that /people talk/.
>
> Out of their asses, mainly.
Some, but I have no ax to grind with you.
I rather like you. I give you feedback on a poem
you asked for feedback on and you tell me
you don't listen to me.
Will, at one point you were attempting to convice everyone
that because you retyped a poem that you had reworked it.
Face it, Will, as a poet you will never amount to shit.
As a performance artist you can rise to some small town fame.
>
>> Unlike you, some people here actually care about poetry.
>
> I wrote a poem on the spot late last night while we were doing run
> throughs if the new stuff. Henry blasted out some new chords and the
> words were immediately obvious... I'm one of the few here that /cares/
> about poetry enough to write and perform it every day.
You do performance art.
What you do has nothing to do with poetry and you do yourself
disservice by referencing it.
>
>> > And if you knew whom this was coming from you'd realize just how sad it
>> > is when I become the voice of maturity and optimism. Sad, sad, sad.
>>
>> You guys are reasonably funny for a gay southern-fried talk show.
>> The churches must think you are bizarre.
>
> Good thing nobody's asking them...
I rather like them. :)
There's so /many/, who'd notice?
"I'm waiting for God to show his face." -Kerouac
> >> > Did I start this mess?
> >>
> >> Usenet? Dockery?
> >> Seems unlikely.
> >>
> >> > If so, I'm glad I did, but this looks like it's been going on long
> >> > before I popped in.
> >> >
> >> > Uncle John and I both dig Mirror Twins
> >>
> >> You haven't read much poetry, right?
> >
> > They know what they like, and there's room for an infinite variety of
> > poetry /and/ audience tastes, like it or not.
>
> Don't be overly sensitive. It was a fair question
> to anyone that says they like your performance art.
It's a big world, pal... there should be something out there for
everyone, poetry being no exception.
> >> > so we're going to feature it on
> >> > our next show. It's interesting, and that is what we're looking for.
> >
> > And like it or not, many agree with this concept.
>
> Imagine if you could write /real/ poetry, though,
> and impress gay southern-fried DJ's too... :)
I'm working to improve, and I /feel/ the difference made over the last
year, as well as /hear/ it.
When you get to Shadowville, I can imagine some long talks at Denny's
and Waffle House with you about poetry. What i want to learn more about
is rhyme and meter and the various /forms/, stuff I admit I've
neglected over the decades... Hell, the teachers I /did/ have called
rhyme a CRUTCH, and real poetry didn't need all that silly gassy sissy
stuff.
But in my old age I find I /enjoy/ a poem with some form, and so I work
to that direction.
> >> Only from the standpoint of laughing at anyone stupid enough
> >> to perform it.
> >
> > Henry and the boys are many things, stupid's not one of them... as
> > you'll see for yourself if you ever make it to Shadowville. As you
> > know, the recording of "Mirror Twins" was a /first take/. these guys
> > instinctively know where "Will Dockery" is /at/ and are a /band of
> > brothers/ who could follow [or lead, if needed] me anywhere /and/
> > finish the set... and leave 'em wanting more.
> >
> > Just the facts, Jack.
>
> Heh.
>
> >> I mean, if you actually /like/ it, order a side of shit
> >> with your pizza, and you will have /it/. Chew your food.
> >
> > Jeeeze, and Bishop wonders why I don't listen to him...
>
> I see, so I'm sorry I went to the trouble of commenting.
> I should have known. :)
>
> But...
> If you continue with the line that MT is anything
> but unspeakable shit, what do you expect?
>
> I decomposed the first bit in detail.
>
> You seem hopeless, Will.
I fight with everything I have to keep hope /alive/.
> >> > I understand those that have opinions and want to air them out here
> >> > (that IS what this place is for,)
> >
> > Don't forget the whining and death threats... heh.
> >
> >> It would be nice if Will had any ability to take opinions.
> >
> > Heh... I almost also write "thank you for sharing your opinions",
> > narrow minded as they may be...
>
> I don't see what is narrow minded about asking for more
> than abstract, imageless, punctuationless text posited as poetry.
True that... a goal for 2006.
> >> Unfortunately he is a stone wall when it comes to feedback.
> >
> > Ah, you lie... just yesterday I listened to Rob Evans on several
> > points. And Karla. Give me some feedback /worth/ listening to, and I'll
> > take it... your thoughts on "Mirror Twins" don't go anywhere past "I
> > hate it, throw it away", which is impossible... the little fucker's a
> > /hit/, old son.
>
> No, I was very elucidating. You seem to have no idea what
> "images" are, WRT poetry. Not to mention punctuation, not to mention
> mundane word choices, not to mention a lack of sense.
I've dropped most punctuation conciously, as many poets have, and the
old saw of "I don't understand!" [making sense] I've heard for
thousands of years... when /I/ come across that sort of thing, I /give/
it meaning, rather than whine about what my lack of perception and
understanding.
Which is why I say point it out and I'll explain it, though I shouldn't
have to.
> If it is a /hit/ in small town pizza joint in the deep south, with
> instrumental backup and southern fried tit hanging in air, hallelujah,
> pass the pizza.
Why I say, old son, what I say!
> >> IQ tests aren't necessary of poetic licenses.
> >>
> >> So what if God is stupid.
> >
> > Some say He's dead but his ghost dreams.
>
> Some say it better than others.
They say it better /for you/.
> >> > but I don't understand why someone
> >> > would be surprised about someone feeling passionate about their own
> >> > work? So naturally, they would post about their work repeatedly...how
> >> > do you think I got here?
> >>
> >> Just that Will's /work/ is so incredibly bad that /people talk/.
> >
> > Out of their asses, mainly.
>
> Some, but I have no ax to grind with you.
And I appreciate someone that calls it as he sees it... but don't
expect me to bow my head and take abuse... that's never happened on any
level with me and never will...
> I rather like you.
Likewise, it can be hilarious to watch you kick thug wannabes around,
though I wish you'd killfile Cat, PJR's already given him a Gold
Star... heh.
> I give you feedback on a poem
> you asked for feedback on and you tell me
> you don't listen to me.
Sure I listen to /feedback/... the insults are a dime a dozen around
here, though.
> Will, at one point you were attempting to convice everyone
> that because you retyped a poem that you had reworked it.
I did that just last night over in my typing area...
> Face it, Will, as a poet you will never amount to shit.
What are you smoking?
> As a performance artist you can rise to some small town fame.
Been there for a while.
> >> Unlike you, some people here actually care about poetry.
> >
> > I wrote a poem on the spot late last night while we were doing run
> > throughs if the new stuff. Henry blasted out some new chords and the
> > words were immediately obvious... I'm one of the few here that /cares/
> > about poetry enough to write and perform it every day.
>
> You do performance art.
> What you do has nothing to do with poetry and you do yourself
> disservice by referencing it.
Gee thanks for the opinion, now go have yourself a nice day... I have a
Flying Mystery to attend to...
> >> > And if you knew whom this was coming from you'd realize just how sad it
> >> > is when I become the voice of maturity and optimism. Sad, sad, sad.
> >>
> >> You guys are reasonably funny for a gay southern-fried talk show.
> >> The churches must think you are bizarre.
> >
> > Good thing nobody's asking them...
>
> I rather like them. :)
Do ya'll have Church's Chicken http://www.churchs.com/ out that way?
Pretty good stuff, sometimes.
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>I've dropped most punctuation conciously, as many poets have, and the
>old saw of "I don't understand!" [making sense] I've heard for
>thousands of years... when /I/ come across that sort of thing, I /give/
>it meaning, rather than whine about what my lack of perception and
>understanding.
>
>Which is why I say point it out and I'll explain it, though I shouldn't
>have to.
jesus
fuck
To be, fair to, Dreckery, if he) tried, to use; punctuation in! his --
"poems" they'd, probably make; even (less, sense than -- they: do? now
PJR :-)
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>On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:04:20 GMT, ggamble <f...@net.com> wrote in
>rec.arts.poems:
>
>> On 3 Jan 2006 09:55:20 -0800, "Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I've dropped most punctuation conciously, as many poets have, and the
>>>old saw of "I don't understand!" [making sense] I've heard for
>>>thousands of years... when /I/ come across that sort of thing, I /give/
>>>it meaning, rather than whine about what my lack of perception and
>>>understanding.
>>>
>>>Which is why I say point it out and I'll explain it, though I shouldn't
>>>have to.
>>
>>
>> jesus
>> fuck
>
>To be, fair to, Dreckery, if he) tried, to use; punctuation in! his --
>"poems" they'd, probably make; even (less, sense than -- they: do? now
>
>PJR :-)
Indeed
Marg
The issue of what you write being poetry was never an issue.
My question was a fair one.
I can't help but assume they know almost nothing about poetry.
I also regret that their first taste of it is from you, but WTF
do I care. I really don't.
>
>> >> > so we're going to feature it on
>> >> > our next show. It's interesting, and that is what we're looking for.
>> >
>> > And like it or not, many agree with this concept.
>>
>> Imagine if you could write /real/ poetry, though,
>> and impress gay southern-fried DJ's too... :)
>
> I'm working to improve, and I /feel/ the difference made over the last
> year, as well as /hear/ it.
I saw some, but not MT
>
> When you get to Shadowville, I can imagine some long talks at Denny's
> and Waffle House with you about poetry. What i want to learn more about
> is rhyme and meter and the various /forms/, stuff I admit I've
> neglected over the decades... Hell, the teachers I /did/ have called
> rhyme a CRUTCH, and real poetry didn't need all that silly gassy sissy
> stuff.
I never advised you to rhyme.
>
> But in my old age I find I /enjoy/ a poem with some form, and so I work
> to that direction.
Whatever. If you are going to perform with music it pays to consider
the synergy of it.
>
>> >> Only from the standpoint of laughing at anyone stupid enough
>> >> to perform it.
>> >
>> > Henry and the boys are many things, stupid's not one of them... as
>> > you'll see for yourself if you ever make it to Shadowville. As you
>> > know, the recording of "Mirror Twins" was a /first take/. these guys
>> > instinctively know where "Will Dockery" is /at/ and are a /band of
>> > brothers/ who could follow [or lead, if needed] me anywhere /and/
>> > finish the set... and leave 'em wanting more.
>> >
>> > Just the facts, Jack.
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> >> I mean, if you actually /like/ it, order a side of shit
>> >> with your pizza, and you will have /it/. Chew your food.
>> >
>> > Jeeeze, and Bishop wonders why I don't listen to him...
>>
>> I see, so I'm sorry I went to the trouble of commenting.
>> I should have known. :)
>>
>> But...
>> If you continue with the line that MT is anything
>> but unspeakable shit, what do you expect?
>>
>> I decomposed the first bit in detail.
>>
>> You seem hopeless, Will.
>
> I fight with everything I have to keep hope /alive/.
I'm only talking about your poetry.
I spent a lot of time detailing the issues, as I see them,
and you say you "don't listen to me..."
Cool with me, and I guess I should have known from
previous attempts.
>
>> >> > I understand those that have opinions and want to air them out here
>> >> > (that IS what this place is for,)
>> >
>> > Don't forget the whining and death threats... heh.
>> >
>> >> It would be nice if Will had any ability to take opinions.
>> >
>> > Heh... I almost also write "thank you for sharing your opinions",
>> > narrow minded as they may be...
>>
>> I don't see what is narrow minded about asking for more
>> than abstract, imageless, punctuationless text posited as poetry.
>
> True that... a goal for 2006.
Good.
>
>> >> Unfortunately he is a stone wall when it comes to feedback.
>> >
>> > Ah, you lie... just yesterday I listened to Rob Evans on several
>> > points. And Karla. Give me some feedback /worth/ listening to, and I'll
>> > take it... your thoughts on "Mirror Twins" don't go anywhere past "I
>> > hate it, throw it away", which is impossible... the little fucker's a
>> > /hit/, old son.
>>
>> No, I was very elucidating. You seem to have no idea what
>> "images" are, WRT poetry. Not to mention punctuation, not to mention
>> mundane word choices, not to mention a lack of sense.
>
> I've dropped most punctuation conciously, as many poets have,
No, you dropped it unconsciously. To be conscious requires that you
actually use the lack of punctuation to enhance your poem.
Lack of punctuation can cause certain kinds of ambiguity to arise
which /is/ a poetic tool. But you don't use punctuation because
other morons don't use it, and it is a lazy way to avoid figuring out
how to write. Just saying.
But you're a performance artist and as long as you can read it
through the smoke...
> and the
> old saw of "I don't understand!" [making sense] I've heard for
> thousands of years...
I'm not attacking you. It is simply that even after you explain it
I look at the poem and scratch my head wondering what you
are smoking. Honest.
This bit didn't even have any interesting images at all.
> when /I/ come across that sort of thing, I /give/
> it meaning, rather than whine about what my lack of perception and
> understanding.
Where did I say that?
I said that even with your explanation /I/ can't see it in the poem.
Your biggest lack is that you can't take any criticism of
your /precious words/ and your /precious words/ mostly
read as gibberish, when compared to poetry that I enjoy reading.
>
> Which is why I say point it out and I'll explain it, though I shouldn't
> have to.
>
>> If it is a /hit/ in small town pizza joint in the deep south, with
>> instrumental backup and southern fried tit hanging in air, hallelujah,
>> pass the pizza.
>
> Why I say, old son, what I say!
>
>> >> IQ tests aren't necessary of poetic licenses.
>> >>
>> >> So what if God is stupid.
>> >
>> > Some say He's dead but his ghost dreams.
>>
>> Some say it better than others.
>
> They say it better /for you/.
I was giving you detailed feedback on /your/ poem.
Your only response, other than asking for clarifications, is: "thanks".
That is if you want any future comments of a detailed nature.
>
>> >> > but I don't understand why someone
>> >> > would be surprised about someone feeling passionate about their own
>> >> > work? So naturally, they would post about their work repeatedly...how
>> >> > do you think I got here?
>> >>
>> >> Just that Will's /work/ is so incredibly bad that /people talk/.
>> >
>> > Out of their asses, mainly.
>>
>> Some, but I have no ax to grind with you.
>
> And I appreciate someone that calls it as he sees it... but don't
> expect me to bow my head and take abuse... that's never happened on any
> level with me and never will...
Right. Heh...
>
>> I rather like you.
>
> Likewise, it can be hilarious to watch you kick thug wannabes around,
> though I wish you'd killfile Cat, PJR's already given him a Gold
> Star... heh.
I don't give a fuck about peewee's clown shit.
>
>> I give you feedback on a poem
>> you asked for feedback on and you tell me
>> you don't listen to me.
>
> Sure I listen to /feedback/... the insults are a dime a dozen around
> here, though.
Whatever.
>
>> Will, at one point you were attempting to convice everyone
>> that because you retyped a poem that you had reworked it.
>
> I did that just last night over in my typing area...
>
>> Face it, Will, as a poet you will never amount to shit.
>
> What are you smoking?
Not great...
But THINK... If none of these other lamers can make a living
at poetry what makes you think you can?
>
>> As a performance artist you can rise to some small town fame.
>
> Been there for a while.
I meant Columbus.
>
>> >> Unlike you, some people here actually care about poetry.
>> >
>> > I wrote a poem on the spot late last night while we were doing run
>> > throughs if the new stuff. Henry blasted out some new chords and the
>> > words were immediately obvious... I'm one of the few here that /cares/
>> > about poetry enough to write and perform it every day.
>>
>> You do performance art.
>> What you do has nothing to do with poetry and you do yourself
>> disservice by referencing it.
>
> Gee thanks for the opinion, now go have yourself a nice day... I have a
> Flying Mystery to attend to...
Good luck.
>
>> >> > And if you knew whom this was coming from you'd realize just how sad it
>> >> > is when I become the voice of maturity and optimism. Sad, sad, sad.
>> >>
>> >> You guys are reasonably funny for a gay southern-fried talk show.
>> >> The churches must think you are bizarre.
>> >
>> > Good thing nobody's asking them...
>>
>> I rather like them. :)
I meant the gay guys.
>
> Do ya'll have Church's Chicken http://www.churchs.com/ out that way?
> Pretty good stuff, sometimes.
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>The question still remains: does she spit or swallow?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
What happened to "Jeeezusfuck?!?" ?
Both lines [the only two you know, it seems] will be in the
fast-on-the-eye film we're planning, Gamble.
Your character, hopefully to be played by the local midget Dink Cain
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/dink/index3x.html> will probably
burst into the room drom time to time, stamping his little feet
screaming "jeeeezusfuck!" and "What the fuck is wrong with you?!?" when
he's not stalking and harrassing female poets.
But, to answer your question of /what's wrong/, nothing. Renay offered
to jerk me off and I told her a blow job would be nicer.
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>Renay offered
>to jerk me off and I told her a blow job would be nicer.
You'll be shortlisted for the Nobel prize in Literature before either
of those two events occur.
jesus
fuck
The return of JR Sherman?!? His little brother Dink Cain made an
appearance last night, so why not?
>From Dink:
----
"Alexander" wrote:
Jan 5, 2006 2:28 AM
Flag spam/abuse. [ ? ]
Subject: I hate you
Body: You are the gayest, dumbest, smelliest, ugliest, most wacked-out
delusional alcoholic drug-using hippie-throwback Cactus Jack-wanna be
that I have ever seen. You really, seriously, truly are the worst poet
of all time (even more than the infamous Vogons), and if you had even a
lick of sense you'd stop humiliating yourself on a constant basis, get
a shave and a haircut, take a shower, and do something with your sad,
miserable, pathetic, ignorant life rather than parade around like
you're God's feces and acting like the world revolves around you. I
truly pity you and I pray that one day you either clean yourself up and
stop being the fool or someone beats the shit out of you until in a fit
of unconscious, bleeding haze you realize just how fucking sad your
life has become.
Vias con dias, you sad sack of crap.
----
Heh.
even your insults are unoriginal, Drunkery.
Renay
So why do you claim that your confessional navel gazing soap opera swiped
crap like "Specturd" and "Laff Lines" are "poems"?
really now? pls wander through "the archives" and repost
the offer to jerk you off. go ahead. it's not like you're gonna
look stupid or anything. no, seriously...
Renay
You wrote: "You want a handdjob?"... do you deny this, Renay?
here's an exercise for you. begin by saying why they're NOT.
go ahead, Drunkery, critique!
having trouble? start here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/
near the top of the page there will be a white box with
a blinking cursor. type in the letters C R I T I Q U E
in *exactly* that order, then click on the "search" button
to the left of the white box.
go ahead, do it. it's a slow morning. I'll wait.
Renay
that's not from the archives, Drunkery. post the original, coward.
the one w/out the misspelling.
Renay
Nah... post it yourself, Renny-Skank.
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so you admit to being a lie-telling loser. how very sad for you.
Renay
Give yourself a "handjob" while you're waiting... your poetry is little more
than masturbation, anyhow.
but you're not articulate enough to say why?
I see.
guess that makes you a "jeering heckler"
Renay
Where's j r sherman? Where's Robert, your imaginary husband? heh...
And... you?
Nope. I said post it yourself.
> Where's j r sherman? Where's Robert, your imaginary husband? heh...
Gone... good riddance, at that... heh.
ask Drunkery. (take your hands off his ears so he can
hear you and your dick out of his mouth so he can answer)
Where's Robert, your imaginary husband? heh...
hmmm. I suppose my imaginary husband would be in the
imaginary shower. either that or in his imaginary office.
why do you want to know? and when did I get imaginary
married? I hope my imaginary attendants weren't imaginary
pissed off about the frothy tulle. it's imaginery tradition, dammit!
Renay
So, you don't know whether he's at work or in the shower. You're never
been the sharpest tool in the shed, huh? Fucking liar.
>
> Renay
it's no a lie, Chunk. I truly don't know if he's in his
office or in the shower. want me to go find out for you?
Renay
>> > You wrote: "You want a handjob?"... do you deny this, Renay?
>>
>> that's not from the archives, Drunkery. post the original, coward.
>> the one w/out the misspelling.
>
>Nah... post it yourself, Renny-Skank.
As he always does when challenged to back up one of his many
bald-faced lies, dockery backs down
again.
He considers being made to look foolish like this to be a
victory.
This is because he has:
>Narcissistic Personality Disorder
>
>While grandiosity is the diagnostic hallmark of pathological narcissism, there is research evidence that pathological narcissism occurs in two forms, (a) a grandiose state of mind in young adults that can be corrected by life experiences, and (b) the stable disorder described in DSM-IV, which is defined less by grandiosity than by severely disturbed interpersonal relations.
> The preferred theory seems to be that narcissism is caused by very early affective deprivation, yet the clinical material tends to describe narcissists as unwilling rather than unable, thus treating narcissistic behaviors as volitional -- that is, narcissism is termed a personality disorder, but it tends to be discussed as a character disorder. This distinction is important to prognosis and treatment possibilities. If NPD is caused by infantile damage and consequent developmental short-circuits, it probably represents an irremediable condition. On the other hand, if narcissism is a behavior pattern that's learned, then there is some hope, however tenuous, that it's a behavior pattern that can be unlearned. The clinical literature on NPD is highly theoretical, abstract, and general, with sparse case material, suggesting that clinical writers have little experience with narcissism in the flesh. There are several reasons for this to be so:
>-- The incidence of NPD is estimated at 1% in the general population, though I haven't been able to discover the basis of this estimate.
>-- Narcissists rarely enter treatment and, once in treatment, progress very slowly. We're talking about two or more years of frequent sessions before the narcissist can acknowledge even that the therapist is sometimes helpful. It's difficult to keep narcissists in treatment long enough for improvement to be made -- and few people, narcissists or not, have the motivation or the money to pursue treatment that produces so little so late.
>-- Because of the influence of third-party payers (insurance companies), there has been a strong trend towards short-term therapy that concentrates on ameliorating acute troubles, such as depression, rather than delving into underlying chronic problems. Narcissists are very reluctant to open up and trust, so it's possible that their NPD is not even recognized by therapists in short-term treatment. Purely anecdotal evidence from correspondents and from observations of people I know indicates that selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors, such as Prozac, aggravate narcissists' grandiosity and lack of social inhibition. It has also been suggested that self-help literature about bolstering self-esteem and getting what you want out of life or that encourages the feeling of victimization has aggravating effects on NPD thinking and behavior.
>-- Most clinical writers seem unaware that narcissists' self-reports are unreliable. This is troubling, considering that lying is the most common complaint about narcissists and that, in many instances, defects of empathy lead narcissists to wildly inaccurate misinterpretations of other people's speech and actions, so that they may believe that they are liked and respected despite a history of callous and exploitative personal interactions.
>
>[from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition, 1994, commonly referred to as DSM-IV, of the American Psychiatric Association. European countries use the diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization.]
>
>A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy.[jma: NPD first appeared in DSM-III in 1980; before that time there had been no formal diagnostic description. Additionally, there is considerable overlap between personality disorders and clinicians tend to diagnose mixes of two or more. Grandiosity is a special case, but lack of empathy and exploitative interpersonal relations are not unique to NPD, nor is the need to be seen as special or unique. The differential diagnosis of NPD is made on the absence of specific gross behaviors. Borderline Personality Disorder has several conspicuous similarities to NPD, but BPD is characterized by self-injury and threatened or attempted suicide, whereas narcissists are rarely self-harming in this way. BPD may include psychotic breaks, and these are uncharacteristic of NPD but not unknown. The need for constant attention is also found in Histrionic Personality Disorder, but HPD and BPD are both
strongly oriented towards relationships, whereas NPD is characterized by aloofness and avoidance of intimacy. Grandiosity is unique to NPD among personality disorders, but it is found in other psychiatric illnesses. Psychopaths display pathological narcissism, including grandiosity, but psychopathy is differentiated from NPD by psychopaths' willingness to use physical violence to get what they want, whereas narcissists rarely commit crimes; the narcissists I've known personally are, in fact, averse to physical contact with others, though they will occasionally strike out in an impulse of rage. It has been found that court-ordered psychotherapy for psychopaths actually increases their recidivism rate; apparently treatment teaches psychopaths new ways to exploit other people. Bipolar illness also contains strong elements of grandiosity. See more on grandiosity and empathy and its lack below.]The disorder begins by early adulthood and is indicated by at least five of the following:
>
>Translation: Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a pattern of self-centered or egotistical behavior that shows up in thinking and behavior in a lot of different situations and activities. People with NPD won't (or can't) change their behavior even when it causes problems at work or when other people complain about the way they act, or when their behavior causes a lot of emotional distress to others (or themselves? none of my narcissists ever admit to being distressed by their own behavior -- they always blame other people for any problems). This pattern of self-centered or egotistical behavior is not caused by current drug or alcohol use, head injury, acute psychotic episodes, or any other illness, but has been going on steadily at least since adolescence or early adulthood.
> NPD interferes with people's functioning in their occupations and in their relationships:
>Mild impairment when self-centered or egotistical behavior results in occasional minor problems, but the person is generally doing pretty well.
>Moderate impairment when self-centered or egotistical behavior results in: (a) missing days from work, household duties, or school, (b) significant performance problems as a wage-earner, homemaker, or student, (c) frequently avoiding or alienating friends, (d) significant risk of harming self or others (frequent suicidal preoccupation; often neglecting family, or frequently abusing others or committing criminal acts).
>Severe impairment when self-centered or egotistical behavior results in: (a) staying in bed all day, (b) totally alienating all friends and family, (c) severe risk of harming self or others (failing to maintain personal hygiene; persistent danger of suicide, abuse, or crime).
>
>1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
>
>Translation: Grandiosity is the hallmark of narcissism. So what is grandiose?
>
>The simplest everyday way that narcissists show their exaggerated sense of self-importance is by talking about family, work, life in general as if there is nobody else in the picture. Whatever they may be doing, in their own view, they are the star, and they give the impression that they are bearing heroic responsibility for their family or department or company, that they have to take care of everything because their spouses or co-workers are undependable, uncooperative, or otherwise unfit. They ignore or denigrate the abilities and contributions of others and complain that they receive no help at all; they may inspire your sympathy or admiration for their stoicism in the face of hardship or unstinting self-sacrifice for the good of (undeserving) others. But this everyday grandiosity is an aspect of narcissism that you may never catch on to unless you visit the narcissist's home or workplace and see for yourself that others are involved and are pulling their share of the load and,
more often than not, are also pulling the narcissist's share as well. An example is the older woman who told me with a sigh that she knew she hadn't been a perfect mother but she just never had any help at all -- and she said this despite knowing that I knew that she had worn out and discarded two devoted husbands and had lived in her parents' pocket (and pocketbook) as long as they lived, quickly blowing her substantial inheritance on flaky business schemes. Another example is claiming unusual benefits or spectacular results from ordinary effort and investment, giving the impression that somehow the narcissist's time and money are worth more than other people's. [Here is an article about recognizing and coping with narcissism in the workplace; it is rather heavy on management jargon and psychobabble, but worth reading. "The Impact of Narcissism on Leadership and Sustainability" by Bruce Gregory, Ph.D. "When the narcissistic defense is operating in an interpersonal or group setting,
the grandiose part does not show its face in public. In public it presents a front of patience, congeniality, and confident reasonableness."]
>
>In popular usage, the terms narcissism, narcissist, and narcissistic denote absurd vanity and are applied to people whose ambitions and aspirations are much grander than their evident talents. Sometimes these terms are applied to people who are simply full of themselves -- even when their real achievements are spectacular. Outstanding performers are not always modest, but they aren't grandiose if their self-assessments are realistic; e.g., Muhammad Ali, then Cassius Clay, was notorious for boasting "I am the greatest!" and also pointing out that he was the prettiest, but he was the greatest and the prettiest for a number of years, so his self-assessments weren't grandiose. Some narcissists are flamboyantly boastful and self-aggrandizing, but many are inconspicuous in public, saving their conceit and autocratic opinions for their nearest and dearest. Common conspicuous grandiose behaviors include expecting special treatment or admiration on the basis of claiming (a) to know
important, powerful or famous people or (b) to be extraordinarily intelligent or talented. As a real-life example, I used to have a neighbor who told his wife that he was the youngest person since Sir Isaac Newton to take a doctorate at Oxford. The neighbor gave no evidence of a world-class education, so I looked up Newton and found out that Newton had completed his baccalaureate at the age of twenty-two (like most people) and spent his entire academic career at Cambridge. The grandiose claims of narcissists are superficially plausible fabrications, readily punctured by a little critical consideration. The test is performance: do they deliver the goods? (There's also the special situation of a genius who's also strongly narcissistic, as perhaps Frank Lloyd Wright. Just remind yourself that the odds are that you'll meet at least 1000 narcissists for every genius you come across.) [More on grandiosity.]
>
>2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
>
>Translation: Narcissists cultivate solipsistic or "autistic" fantasies, which is to say that they live in their own little worlds (and react with affront when reality dares to intrude).
>
>3. Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
>
>Translation: Narcissists think that everyone who is not special and superior is worthless. By definition, normal, ordinary, and average aren't special and superior, and so, to narcissists, they are worthless.
>
>4. Requires excessive admiration
>
>Translation: Excessive in two ways: they want praise, compliments, deference, and expressions of envy all the time, and they want to be told that everything they do is better than what others can do. Sincerity is not an issue here; all that matter are frequency and volume.
>
>5. Has a sense of entitlement
>
>Translation: They expect automatic compliance with their wishes or especially favorable treatment, such as thinking that they should always be able to go first and that other people should stop whatever they're doing to do what the narcissists want, and may react with hurt or rage when these expectations are frustrated.
>
>6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
>
>Translation: Narcissists use other people to get what they want without caring about the cost to the other people.
>
>7. Lacks empathy
>
>Translation: They are unwilling to recognize or sympathize with other people's feelings and needs. They "tune out" when other people want to talk about their own problems.
> In clinical terms, empathy is the ability to recognize and interpret other people's emotions. Lack of empathy may take two different directions: (a) accurate interpretation of others' emotions with no concern for others' distress, which is characteristic of psychopaths; and (b) the inability to recognize and accurately interpret other people's emotions, which is the NPD style. This second form of defective empathy may (rarely) go so far as alexithymia, or no words for emotions, and is found with psychosomatic illnesses, i.e., medical conditions in which emotion is experienced somatically rather than psychically. People with personality disorders don't have the normal body-ego identification and regard their bodies only instrumentally, i.e., as tools to use to get what they want, or, in bad states, as torture chambers that inflict on them meaningless suffering. Self-described narcissists who've written to me say that they are aware that their feelings are different from other
people's, mostly that they feel less, both in strength and variety (and which the narcissists interpret as evidence of their own superiority); some narcissists report "numbness" and the inability to perceive meaning in other people's emotions.
>
>8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
>
>Translation: No translation needed.
>
>9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes
>
>Translation: They treat other people like dirt.
>
>[Some descriptions and explanations on this page are based on material from What is a personality disorder? by Paul J. Hannig, Ph.D., The Online Journal of Psychiatry, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and (defunct) Internet Mental Health questionnaire for diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. For a firsthand account of what it's like to have NPD, see "Malignant Self-Love - Narcissism Re-visited" by Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin, Ph.D.]
>Introduction | What is a personality disorder? | Narcissistic Personality Disorder
>How to recognize a narcissist | Traits discussed | "Now We Are Six" | "It's a Good Life"
>What's normal? | Further reading | Attachment | Narcissus in art | Aftermath | Beyond | Music
>Feel free to drop me a note with questions or comments.
>©1998-2004 by Joanna M. Ashmun.
moi? I'm a cat with too much free time this morning,
you cowardly loser of a mouse-man!
Renay
It seems it is more than lies.
He believes, and there is power.
He can turn lies into whine.
He can walk on the Walter.
He can multiply fishes.
>
> He considers being made to look foolish like this to be a
>
> victory.
He did win. I saw it with my own eyes.
You have to give God a lot of credit.
Not every God could pull it off.
You, on the otherhand, are not a God,
and always look foolish.
You lose again, kook.
>
> This is because he has:
I doubt he is that complicated.
God is a simple God.
Your ability to discern things has /tilted/.
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the good news is, I found Robert! he was talking to the FBI
on the telephone in his office. seems he's been getting love letters
from some stalker in Florida. one of them contained smears of
what appears to be Famous Red Clam Sauce. at least they hope
that's what it is! the feebs are all over it. an arrest should come soon.
Renay
So what part of "crap confessional navel gazing soap opera swiped
non-poems" needs explaining to you, Renny?
>Your character, hopefully to be played by the local midget Dink Cain
Is this a real person? Or are you still so drunk you forgot to be politically
correct?
****bzzzzzzz****rhetorical question(s) warning****bzzzzzzzz****
You never heard of Alex "Dink" Cain? Picture a Southern Fried JR
Sherman:
http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/dink/index3x.html
Alex sent me this nice little email last night, in fact:
----
From: "Alexander":
Jan 5, 2006 2:28 AM
Flag spam/abuse. [ ? ]
Subject: I hate you
Body: You are the gayest, dumbest, smelliest, ugliest, most wacked-out
delusional alcoholic drug-using hippie-throwback Cactus Jack-wanna be
that I have ever seen. You really, seriously, truly are the worst poet
of all time (even more than the infamous Vogons), and if you had even a
lick of sense you'd stop humiliating yourself on a constant basis, get
a shave and a haircut, take a shower, and do something with your sad,
miserable, pathetic, ignorant life rather than parade around like
you're God's feces and acting like the world revolves around you. I
truly pity you and I pray that one day you either clean yourself up and
stop being the fool or someone beats the shit out of you until in a fit
of unconscious, bleeding haze you realize just how fucking sad your
life has become.
Vias con dias, you sad sack of crap.
----
See the resemblance to your boy JRS?
You never heard of Alex "Dink" Cain? Picture a Southern Fried JR
Renay's never been so good with details... more of a hit-and-run type.
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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1136493291.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Poor little JRS... heh.
Gary says the Stampeders give good /hug/:
http://www.foxy885.com/Gary%20&%20The%20Stampeders.JPG
He's your mirror twin! "Dink hates anyone who has figured him out for who and
what he really is."
Like /I/ said... a Southern Fried JRS... but your confusion is a given at
this point.
Speaking of "figured", though, who do /you/ think Berryman is? Since you
claim it only took you "15 minutes", why the silence all this time?
Hint: he ain't "Tom Bishop"... as you once proclaimed.
People love j r. The link about Dink that you provided brings you to mind, not
j r at all. Replace Dink with your name. Then try it with j r's. You'll see
instantly what I mean.
"A [28-year-old] loser from [Griffin, Georgia]"
"a complete nuisance to whatever group he decides to post on."
"[Dink] hates anyone who has figured him out for who and what he really is. His
anger and rage are only limited by the fact that he's generally too impotent and
incompetent to do much of anything. Even when those users completely ignore him
and never reply to his posts, he continues to respond to their posts, even if
the posts have nothing to do with him."
"It's also theorized that [Dink] does this so that the posts of his main
adversaries (or at least portions of them) will be archived by Google,
regardless of whether or not the original post used no-archive headers."
>but your confusion is a given at
>this point.
Pretty soon, everyone will be labeled confused by you. Helps ya make it through
the night.
>Speaking of "figured", though, who do /you/ think Berryman is? Since you
>claim it only took you "15 minutes", why the silence all this time?
Yesterday, I was looking for an unrelated post and stumbled upon a similarity in
someone else's post. 15 minutes later, I had all the confirmation I needed.
Previous to that, it didn't interest me at all.
>Hint: he ain't "Tom Bishop"... as you once proclaimed.
You make me sound like a prophet!
>
>See the resemblance to your boy JRS?
Yeah, they both are convinced that you're a grandstanding, dishonest,
posturing, crossposting, self-aggrandizing, no talent fuckwit who
doesn't know the first, second or third thing about poetry.
They have a lot in common with most of the literate people here.
Compared to baba jr is preferable.
I'll force baba off Usenet shortly, and break her pail and shovel.
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>
Heh...
> > BTW, put "Dennis M. Hammes" in there often and bold print... helps the
> > search engines pick it up. The "Zorro" site you made is /already/ at
> > the top of the "Will Dockery" search:
> > <http://www.google.com/search?q=%22will%20dockery%22&sa=N&tab=gw>
>
> Wow, and I didn't even do META tags.
Strap 'em on Brother Hammes?
As you probably know, I enjoyed my time with JRS... a great little
promotional tool.
> I'll force baba off Usenet shortly, and break her pail and shovel.
Isn't she /already/ gone?
No, really... You'll see tomorrow.
If it wasn't for the 3rd eye she would be a looker.
Heh...
>
>> > BTW, put "Dennis M. Hammes" in there often and bold print... helps the
>> > search engines pick it up. The "Zorro" site you made is /already/ at
>> > the top of the "Will Dockery" search:
>> > <http://www.google.com/search?q=%22will%20dockery%22&sa=N&tab=gw>
>>
>> Wow, and I didn't even do META tags.
>
> Strap 'em on Brother Hammes?
Kinda interesting that in 5 minutes blogspot can create a site that looks
vastly better than his own fantasy/vanity site.
Look at his moronic formatting...
I guess mikey took website lessons from him.
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>
As I've said, if you catch the right x-posting ride you can
multiply traffic by 5X from what I've seen.
Last two days are around 20,000 requests.
(which amounts to more than enough cum to
choke any of the homophobic jit-slurps around here)
But there are VASTLY better ways, IMO.
Especially when you are pushing religion, poetry and porn
in a synergistic gazpacho.
>
>> I'll force baba off Usenet shortly, and break her pail and shovel.
>
> Isn't she /already/ gone?
She does exactly what I tell her.
Actually, she is one of my socks.
...a stupid /idea/, I know... :)
Cleverly designed to be the stupidest sock on Usenet.
Am I good, or what?
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>
Heh... so Uncle Hammes was right at the start:
"Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. You let this Cat out of the bag six months ago.
Your Cliche Generator, I mean. (And sucking syrup /has/ a chemical
fingerprint, ya know.)"
-Uncle Dennis Hammes
Prophetic little bastard, eh?
I've written a dozen poems in recent weeks, Karla. Where have you been? You
can see a few here:
http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio
In fact, this entire thread began with the announcement that my poem "Mirror
Twins" will be a part of the Tuesday Afternoon Show, January 8th episode
<http://www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com> ... what the fuck is wrong with you?
Some info on Uncle John and Scotto's Tuesday Afternoon Show:
They’re Back…Who were they again? Toms River, NJ – Saturday, October 15,
2005, will mark the beginning of the Tuesday Afternoon Show’s triumphant and
frightening return to broadcasting. A staple of WOCC’s cable broadcast back
in the early to mid 1990’s, the show has now found a home on the internet.
In the future, new episodes will be uploaded weekly on any day other than
Tuesday. The Tuesday Afternoon Show’s latest incarnation will feature the
irreverent absurdities of co-founders “Uncle” John Maloney and Scott
"Scotto" Maccio and music from independent artists. “Our goal is to be
original as well as funny,” said Maccio “we always give our audience some
credit that they can figure things out for themselves.”
But no surprise that you're as confused as ever, Karla.
A Lass, my cat is out of the bag. :)
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>
But Mirror Twins isn't a poem, Will.
It's a very bad performance piece that currently is nonsensical.
Jus sayin.
Love ya, God. :)
Good luck with your nonsensical performance piece.
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>
> Some info on Uncle John and Scotto's Tuesday Afternoon Show:
>
> They're Back.Who were they again? Toms River, NJ - Saturday, October 15,
Ah... no comment, AJ... I made a new years vow not to make fun of fat sweaty
pug ugly women, so I'll refrain from commenting on Karla
http://clitin.com/here.nu/netpoets/krogers.jpg
Even if she /is/ a wannabe-thug groupie.
Karla wrote:
>
> >So, you deny that with you side with and support the words and actions of
> >the homophobes Dennis Hammes and Michael Cook, Karla?
>
> Do you deny that you're incapable of writing a poem
I've written a dozen in recent weeks, Karla. Where have you been? You can
see a few here:
http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio
In fact, this entire thread began with the announcement that my poem "Mirror
Twins" will be a part of the Tuesday Afternoon Show, January 8th episode
<http://www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com> ... what the fuck is wrong with you?
Some info on Uncle John and Scotto's Tuesday Afternoon Show:
They’re Back…Who were they again? Toms River, NJ – Saturday, October 15,
Love it or hate it, good or bad, it's a poem, AJ.
Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you could
pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart... "Mirror
Twins" you'll obviously never figure out... perhaps Scotto and Uncle John
can interview you in a future episode of Tuesday Afternoon Show about poetry
or something...
> It's a very bad performance piece that currently is nonsensical.
Why not make a recording of one of your poems and show me how it's done?
Perhaps:
----
Spring
Pregnant, fettered, draped in Female best:
A Rose and garnish on the plate of kings,
The Vulva sparkles in reflected stings
As nature's-minion find an offered breast.
Chaste -- roving pollen-furling, earthen feast
Of planting: hard ground's plowed. The winter clings
To death, but life is greener now that April springs
Into the bloom of sex; each bud is repossessed.
The wasboard rains will ravage, rant and wet
The ground, and naked sun will kiss the spore,
now pushing dirt, they strive to fill the silhouette
of every green-Goded thing that begs on evermore.
The turning leaves of seasons won't forget
that life writhes always in its milky core.
-AJ
----
That could be interesting... how about it?
> Jus sayin.
Seems I've heard you say this once or twice before... heh.
> Love ya, God. :)
>
> Good luck with your nonsensical performance piece.
Good luck... with whatever it is you do... oh yeah:
For once we agree, Gary. They're both jeering non-poets... good
riddance to the both of them.
To you perhaps.
But I sort it as a performance piece.
No problem, we'll get a second opinion. Anybody?
>
> Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you could
> pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
> http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart... "Mirror
> Twins" you'll obviously never figure out...
I feel I figured it out well enough.
It is your inability to accept the simple truth that I am relating
that is the problem. How could what I'm saying be /wrong/ for me.
Why would I lie?
> perhaps Scotto and Uncle John
> can interview you in a future episode of Tuesday Afternoon Show about poetry
> or something...
Pornetry, maybe.
>
>> It's a very bad performance piece that currently is nonsensical.
>
> Why not make a recording of one of your poems and show me how it's done?
Why do you need a recording?
>
> Perhaps:
>
> ----
> Spring
>
> Pregnant, fettered, draped in Female best:
> A Rose and garnish on the plate of kings,
> The Vulva sparkles in reflected stings
> As nature's-minion find an offered breast.
> Chaste -- roving pollen-furling, earthen feast
> Of planting: hard ground's plowed. The winter clings
> To death, but life is greener now that April springs
> Into the bloom of sex; each bud is repossessed.
> The wasboard rains will ravage, rant and wet
> The ground, and naked sun will kiss the spore,
> now pushing dirt, they strive to fill the silhouette
> of every green-Goded thing that begs on evermore.
> The turning leaves of seasons won't forget
> that life writhes always in its milky core.
>
> -AJ
> ----
I always liked this. Bill Orr thought I had stolen his shit poem
to write it... Quite funny.
Rhyming feast with breast is rad. :)
>
> That could be interesting... how about it?
Since I grant all my words to PD you can feel free if you
want to record it. Say its yours and I wish you well.
Or stick in a brollyhook and say PJR wrote it.
>
>> Jus sayin.
>
> Seems I've heard you say this once or twice before... heh.
I love ya, God.
>
>> Love ya, God. :)
>>
>> Good luck with your nonsensical performance piece.
>
> Good luck... with whatever it is you do... oh yeah:
Ooo baby...
why was it important?
Renay
Okay, I'll go with the opinions of Scotto, Uncle John... and Missy:
"Will , You Are The Shit, Love Your heart and Soul If i were to give an
Award to best Poet/Musician
That award goes tooooo~~~~~ Will Dockery..."
Heh... the young lady /do/ have a way with words...
http://www.myspace.com/melissapick
Honestly... who would /you/ listen to?!?
Actually I appreciate the feedback, it'll help with the future works.
> > Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you could
> > pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart...
"Mirror
> > Twins" you'll obviously never figure out...
>
> I feel I figured it out well enough.
> It is your inability to accept the simple truth that I am relating
> that is the problem. How could what I'm saying be /wrong/ for me.
>
> Why would I lie?
Not calling you a liar, just reminding you that it's you /opinion/, not a
/fact/.
> > perhaps Scotto and Uncle John
> > can interview you in a future episode of Tuesday Afternoon Show about
poetry
> > or something...
>
> Pornetry, maybe.
I'm thinking a weekly spot where you critique a Usenet poet... wonder what
Scotto and John think of the idea...
> >> It's a very bad performance piece that currently is nonsensical.
> >
> > Why not make a recording of one of your poems and show me how it's done?
>
> Why do you need a recording?
How /else/ould you /perform/ it? Video?
My usual response to hecklers: Come on up here and do better... shuts 'em up
every time.
> > Perhaps:
> >
> > ----
> > Spring
> >
> > Pregnant, fettered, draped in Female best:
> > A Rose and garnish on the plate of kings,
> > The Vulva sparkles in reflected stings
> > As nature's-minion find an offered breast.
> > Chaste -- roving pollen-furling, earthen feast
> > Of planting: hard ground's plowed. The winter clings
> > To death, but life is greener now that April springs
> > Into the bloom of sex; each bud is repossessed.
> > The wasboard rains will ravage, rant and wet
> > The ground, and naked sun will kiss the spore,
> > now pushing dirt, they strive to fill the silhouette
> > of every green-Goded thing that begs on evermore.
> > The turning leaves of seasons won't forget
> > that life writhes always in its milky core.
> >
> > -AJ
> > ----
>
> I always liked this. Bill Orr thought I had stolen his shit poem
> to write it... Quite funny.
>
> Rhyming feast with breast is rad. :)
Slant rhyme, according to the book Colin gave me, I seem to remember, right?
Or what is it... just plain bad rhyme?
> > That could be interesting... how about it?
>
> Since I grant all my words to PD you can feel free if you
> want to record it. Say its yours and I wish you well.
> Or stick in a brollyhook and say PJR wrote it.
I'll adapt it with Henry Conley, perhaps... there's also the Dale Houstman
rewrite:
----
The Milk Core
Pregnant rose
garnished plate of kings,
the vulva
reflected stings offered
chaste and bundled
and the iced ground
already plowed
where winter
and her slugs
clung
repossessed
in the wet ravage
of neckless sun
with kiss spore's
silhouette
turning
the writhe
of the milk core.
-Dale Houstman/Tom Bishop
----
In my adaptation with Conley's music, perhaps work in some of Houstman's
changes, but really your poem is probably suitable... I'll send Conley a
copy a.s.a.p. and get his thoughts on what genre of music to take it in.
You love jazz you've mentioned, perhaps as much as Conley [he gave me a copy
of Miles Davis' "Sketches Of Spain" for X-Mas this time around, btw... it's
playing as I type this...] so this might be the poem to bring those
influences out, following the lead of last week's "Chessmen & Dominos".
Tuesday Afternoon Show:
www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com
About poetry?
>
> Actually I appreciate the feedback, it'll help with the future works.
We'll see.. but likely you won't get feedback from me.
How many times do I have to be snubbed by a pizza driver
without a clue about poetry? You are too fucken funny.
I gave you a generous /out/ with "performance art".. best you will
ever do with me.
On your own, God.
>
>> > Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you could
>> > pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
>> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart...
> "Mirror
>> > Twins" you'll obviously never figure out...
>>
>> I feel I figured it out well enough.
>> It is your inability to accept the simple truth that I am relating
>> that is the problem. How could what I'm saying be /wrong/ for me.
>>
>> Why would I lie?
>
> Not calling you a liar, just reminding you that it's you /opinion/, not a
> /fact/.
You fail to see that part of your audience is giving you detailed feedback
and spending their fingers to do so. You fail to acknowlege that it is a fact
for me.
You can have any fantasy you want about your /precious words/ but my feedback
is what it is.
You won't get any more. :)
You are one straw over the line, sweetie.
>
>> > perhaps Scotto and Uncle John
>> > can interview you in a future episode of Tuesday Afternoon Show about
> poetry
>> > or something...
>>
>> Pornetry, maybe.
>
> I'm thinking a weekly spot where you critique a Usenet poet... wonder what
> Scotto and John think of the idea...
Who cares?
I have no interest.
Maybe to push my website at some point, but /they/ seem
limp at that.
If discussing poetry with you is boring, imagine how bad
it is with Scotto and UJ?
(who, pssst... have no taste in music, poetry or anything I can discern)
>
>> >> It's a very bad performance piece that currently is nonsensical.
>> >
>> > Why not make a recording of one of your poems and show me how it's done?
>>
>> Why do you need a recording?
>
> How /else/ould you /perform/ it? Video?
To me, poetry isn't a performance thing.
Any poem worth snot is worth reading numerous times.
The concept of hearing it spoken, by the author, is optional,
and frequently dissappointing...
>
> My usual response to hecklers: Come on up here and do better... shuts 'em up
> every time.
I'm not heckling you. I spent my fingers giving you feedback.
You tell me that /abstraction/ is your preferred form.
Fine... Not poetry, but have fun.
>
>> > Perhaps:
>> >
>> > ----
>> > Spring
>> >
>> > Pregnant, fettered, draped in Female best:
>> > A Rose and garnish on the plate of kings,
>> > The Vulva sparkles in reflected stings
>> > As nature's-minion find an offered breast.
>> > Chaste -- roving pollen-furling, earthen feast
>> > Of planting: hard ground's plowed. The winter clings
>> > To death, but life is greener now that April springs
>> > Into the bloom of sex; each bud is repossessed.
>> > The wasboard rains will ravage, rant and wet
>> > The ground, and naked sun will kiss the spore,
>> > now pushing dirt, they strive to fill the silhouette
>> > of every green-Goded thing that begs on evermore.
>> > The turning leaves of seasons won't forget
>> > that life writhes always in its milky core.
>> >
>> > -AJ
>> > ----
>>
>> I always liked this. Bill Orr thought I had stolen his shit poem
>> to write it... Quite funny.
>>
>> Rhyming feast with breast is rad. :)
>
> Slant rhyme, according to the book Colin gave me, I seem to remember, right?
> Or what is it... just plain bad rhyme?
Variously, it could be considered near, slant or bad.
I could have said: "earthen fest" ...but didn't.
Perhaps: "earthen-fested"
>
>> > That could be interesting... how about it?
>>
>> Since I grant all my words to PD you can feel free if you
>> want to record it. Say its yours and I wish you well.
>> Or stick in a brollyhook and say PJR wrote it.
>
> I'll adapt it with Henry Conley, perhaps... there's also the Dale Houstman
> rewrite:
I never thought much of it, but whatever.
Mine was a sonnet, on face...
If I etch a Southern Rock of Spring
mint juleps flow
the whores on Victory Avenue
sort dandy-
lions from the road-side grasses
with their skirts
of printed sunflowers,
squat...
>
> You love jazz you've mentioned, perhaps as much as Conley [he gave me a copy
> of Miles Davis' "Sketches Of Spain" for X-Mas this time around, btw... it's
> playing as I type this...] so this might be the poem to bring those
> influences out, following the lead of last week's "Chessmen & Dominos".
O Miles of muted brass
O blessed -- triumverate of sound
And those three fingers and the lip
Give metal speech, and slice the air
with Dizzy and the Coltrane reed
the verve is frat with chess.
--
AJ -
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> >> > Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you
could
> >> > pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
> >> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart...
> > "Mirror
> >> > Twins" you'll obviously never figure out...
> >>
> >> I feel I figured it out well enough.
> >> It is your inability to accept the simple truth that I am relating
> >> that is the problem. How could what I'm saying be /wrong/ for me.
> >>
> >> Why would I lie?
> >
> > Not calling you a liar, just reminding you that it's you /opinion/, not
a
> > /fact/.
>
> You fail to see that part of your audience is giving you detailed feedback
> and spending their fingers to do so. You fail to acknowlege that it is a
fact
> for me.
It's a fact that I've been as /cordial/ as possible to your assesment of
/doom/ for my art.
> You can have any fantasy you want about your /precious words/ but my
feedback
> is what it is.
>
> You won't get any more. :)
So enjoy the free pool... you won't even comment on the upcoming cover of
"Spring" by the Dockery-Conley Trio? I hope you will, but your choice, of
course.
> You are one straw over the line, sweetie.
Really?
> >> > perhaps Scotto and Uncle John
> >> > can interview you in a future episode of Tuesday Afternoon Show about
> > poetry
> >> > or something...
> >>
> >> Pornetry, maybe.
> >
> > I'm thinking a weekly spot where you critique a Usenet poet... wonder
what
> > Scotto and John think of the idea...
>
> Who cares?
> I have no interest.
> Maybe to push my website at some point, but /they/ seem
> limp at that.
They're /radio/... about the best they could do would perhaps be to play
your /audios/ of Liesha, Pandora or perhaps one of the Shadowville babes
breathing Dylan Thomas poems, /then/ giving a /shout out/ of your links...
which is somewhat fascinating from /this/ side of the fence...
> If discussing poetry with you is boring, imagine how bad
> it is with Scotto and UJ?
Especially if they have a much less narrow minded view of what poetry is and
can be, right?
> (who, pssst... have no taste in music, poetry or anything I can discern)
Not enough acid, maybe.
Did you have a look/listen to the newest Beatles bootleg video?
Direct Path to video click this url
http://www.beatlemania.ca/videos/heybulldog.htm
Allen Ginsberg [what do you think of /him/, btw?] declared the Beatles "pop
poets", you know.
> >> >> It's a very bad performance piece that currently is nonsensical.
> >> >
> >> > Why not make a recording of one of your poems and show me how it's
done?
> >>
> >> Why do you need a recording?
> >
> > How /else/ould you /perform/ it? Video?
>
> To me, poetry isn't a performance thing.
>
> Any poem worth snot is worth reading numerous times.
> The concept of hearing it spoken, by the author, is optional,
> and frequently dissappointing...
A major problem with most poets, yeah, and a place where I clearly overtake
them... thus the jealous firestorm continues.
> > My usual response to hecklers: Come on up here and do better... shuts
'em up
> > every time.
>
> I'm not heckling you. I spent my fingers giving you feedback.
> You tell me that /abstraction/ is your preferred form.
>
> Fine... Not poetry, but have fun.
Allen Ginsberg did not agree, nor did the other beats.
Or Rimbaud... or Jim Morrison. Heh.
We'll probably go with that change.
Hmmm... the possibilities are opening up... we'll see.
> > You love jazz you've mentioned, perhaps as much as Conley [he gave me a
copy
> > of Miles Davis' "Sketches Of Spain" for X-Mas this time around, btw...
it's
> > playing as I type this...] so this might be the poem to bring those
> > influences out, following the lead of last week's "Chessmen & Dominos".
>
> O Miles of muted brass
> O blessed -- triumverate of sound
> And those three fingers and the lip
> Give metal speech, and slice the air
> with Dizzy and the Coltrane reed
> the verve is frat with chess.
How about we /fire/ Hammes and have /you/ write the lyrics for Conley's
jazzy X-Mas ditty?
Either way, firing Hammes sounds like fun...
> "Renay" wrote:
>
>>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>>Scotto wrote:
>>
>>>>>Maybe poetry doesn't always have to evoke imagery? Maybe poetry can
>>>>>just be a verbal expression that isn't prose!
>>>>
>>>>what, like a belch?
>>>>
>>>>a scream is a verbal expression that isn't prose.
>>>>it's also not a poem.
>>>>
>>>>poetry shouldn't have to be the convenient
>>>>catch all for whatever crap is written.
>>>
>>>So why do you claim that your confessional navel gazing soap opera
>
> swiped
>
>>>crap like "Specturd" and "Laff Lines" are "poems"?
>>
>>here's an exercise for you. begin by saying why they're NOT.
>>
>>go ahead, Drunkery, critique!
>>
>>having trouble? start here:
>>
>>http://dictionary.reference.com/
>>
>>near the top of the page there will be a white box with
>>a blinking cursor. type in the letters C R I T I Q U E
>>in *exactly* that order, then click on the "search" button
>>to the left of the white box.
>>
>>go ahead, do it. it's a slow morning. I'll wait.
>
>
> Give yourself a "handjob" while you're waiting... your poetry is little more
> than masturbation, anyhow.
>
Jealousy noted.
(By which we mean yours doesn't even manage that much.)
--
-------(m+
~/:o)_|
If a pome falls in the middle of a library and
the Bishop can't read it, does it still say, "Iamb"?
http://scrawlmark.org
> "Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
> news:ac41e$43bd4f75$18d62363$16...@KNOLOGY.NET...
> but you're not articulate enough to say why?
>
> I see.
>
> guess that makes you a "jeering heckler"
>
>
> Renay
>
No, it makes him incompetent to get off on his own "stuff."
And if /he/ can't get off on it, who else will?
> "Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
> news:56f48$43bd529f$18d62363$17...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>>And... you?
>
>
> moi? I'm a cat with too much free time this morning,
> you cowardly loser of a mouse-man!
>
> Renay
>
>
>
You forgot the pic:
http://scrawlmark.org/g/kittyfin.jpg
(You gotta have the pic.
(He doesn't understand these little squiggly thingies.)
I've yet to see one word from you in all my months here, though, Renay...
why is that?
> >>go ahead, do it. it's a slow morning. I'll wait.
> >
> > Give yourself a "handjob" while you're waiting... your poetry is little
more
> > than masturbation, anyhow.
>
> Jealousy noted.
Noted yesterday, in fact, Uncle Dennis... the firestorm of jealousy by you
and the others is embarrassingly [to yourselves] clear.
Rather than the endless whining and teeth gnashing /angst/ ya'll should just
try harder... perhaps you could reach my level with a little... honest work.
> ggamble wrote:
>
>>
>>What the fuck is wrong with you?
>
>
> What happened to "Jeeezusfuck?!?" ?
>
> Both lines [the only two you know, it seems] will be in the
> fast-on-the-eye film we're planning, Gamble.
>
> Your midget,
> will,
> stamping his little feet
> screaming fuck
> stalking female poets.
>
> jerk off
> blow job.
>
Yabut where's the /imaginary/ material required of even a minimum script?
No wonder you only get leftover drinks and pizza returns.
> Renay wrote:
>
>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Gary Gamble said:
>>
>>>>>The question still remains: does she spit or swallow?
>>>>
>>>>What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>>
>>>What happened to "Jeeezusfuck?!?" ?
>>>
>>>Both lines [the only two you know, it seems] will be in the
>>>fast-on-the-eye film we're planning, Gamble.
>>>
>>>Your character, hopefully to be played by the local midget Dink Cain
>>><http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/dink/index3x.html> will probably
>>>burst into the room drom time to time, stamping his little feet
>>>screaming "jeeeezusfuck!" and "What the fuck is wrong with you?!?" when
>>>he's not stalking and harrassing female poets.
>>>
>>>But, to answer your question of /what's wrong/, nothing. Renay offered
>>>to jerk me off and I told her a blow job would be nicer.
>>
>>really now? pls wander through "the archives" and repost
>>the offer to jerk you off. go ahead. it's not like you're gonna
>>look stupid or anything. no, seriously...
>
>
> You wrote: "You want a handdjob?"... do you deny this, Renay?
>
She was confirming -- as a "rhetorical question" (q.v.) -- that you
wanted a handjob, which you weren't getting from /anybody/ because
you can't even spell it correctly.
This is /very/ distinct from making an offer.
> Renay wrote:
>
>>"Will Dockery" <will_d...@knology.net> wrote in message
>>news:192f0$43bd4e97$18d62363$15...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>>
>>>"Renay" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gary Gamble said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The question still remains: does she spit or swallow?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What happened to "Jeeezusfuck?!?" ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Both lines [the only two you know, it seems] will be in the
>>>>>>>fast-on-the-eye film we're planning, Gamble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your character, hopefully to be played by the local midget Dink Cain
>>>>>>><http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/dink/index3x.html> will
>>>>>>>probably
>>>>>>>burst into the room drom time to time, stamping his little feet
>>>>>>>screaming "jeeeezusfuck!" and "What the fuck is wrong with you?!?"
>>>
>>>when
>>>
>>>>>>>he's not stalking and harrassing female poets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But, to answer your question of /what's wrong/, nothing. Renay
>>>
>>>offered
>>>
>>>>>>>to jerk me off and I told her a blow job would be nicer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>really now? pls wander through "the archives" and repost
>>>>>>the offer to jerk you off. go ahead. it's not like you're gonna
>>>>>>look stupid or anything. no, seriously...
>>>>>
>>>>>You wrote: "You want a handjob?"... do you deny this, Renay?
>>>>
>>>>that's not from the archives, Drunkery. post the original, coward.
>>>>the one w/out the misspelling.
>>>
>>>Nah... post it yourself, Renny-Skank.
>>
>>so you admit to being a lie-telling loser. how very sad for you.
>>
>>Renay
>
>
> Where's j r sherman? Where's Robert, your imaginary husband? heh...
>
In case you hadn't noticed, she doesn't need j r to slap you silly.
(Though we /all/ understand how you came to LUUUve his daily
spankings. Or LUUUUved his daily spankings and came.)
And I rejected her offer to /jerk me off/... but a /blow job/ I wouldn't
turn down.
> Maybe poetry doesn't always have to evoke imagery? Maybe poetry can
> just be a verbal expression that isn't prose!
>
> >>>>a scream is a verbal expression that isn't prose.
> >>>>it's also not a poem.
> >>>>
> >>>>poetry shouldn't have to be the convenient
> >>>>catch all for whatever crap is written.
> >>>
> >>>So why do you claim that your confessional navel gazing soap opera
> > swiped
> >>>crap like "Specturd" and "Laff Lines" are "poems"?
> >>
> >>here's an exercise for you. begin by saying why they're NOT.
> >>
> >>go ahead, critique!
I've yet to see one word of "critique" from you in all my months here,
though, Renay... why is that?
> >>go ahead, do it. it's a slow morning. I'll wait.
> >
> > Give yourself a "handjob" while you're waiting... your poetry is little
more
> > than masturbation, anyhow.
>
> Jealousy noted.
Noted yesterday, in fact, Uncle Dennis... the firestorm of jealousy by you
and the others is embarrassingly [to yourselves] clear.
Rather than the endless whining and teeth gnashing /angst/ ya'll should just
try harder... perhaps you could reach my level with a little... honest work.
> > I've written a dozen poems in recent weeks, Karla. Where have you
> > been?
> >> > You
> >> >> > can see a few here:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In fact, this entire thread began with the announcement that my
poem
> >> > "Mirror
> >> >> > Twins" will be a part of the Tuesday Afternoon Show, January 8th
> > episode
> >> >> > <http://www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com> ... what the fuck is wrong
with
> >> > you?
> >> >>
Really?
your /audios/ of Leisha, Pandora or perhaps one of the Shadowville babes
>
> ow.
> oog ooof.
> ood ooff.
>
> oot oot od,
> ook oosh.
>
> oog, ook.
>
What can I say...
Poor little guy... /nobody/ needs JR Sherman... Barbie Catshit is a decent
replacement.
> >The question still remains: does she spit or swallow?
> >>>>
> >>>>What the fuck is wrong with you?
> >>>
> >>>What happened to "Jeeezusfuck?!?" ?
> >>>
> >>>Both lines [the only two you know, it seems] will be in the
> >>>fast-on-the-eye film we're planning, Gamble.
> >>>
> >>>Your character, hopefully to be played by the local midget Dink Cain
> >>><http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/dink/index3x.html> will probably
> >>>burst into the room drom time to time, stamping his little feet
> >>>screaming "jeeeezusfuck!" and "What the fuck is wrong with you?!?" when
> >>>he's not stalking and harrassing female poets.
> >>>
> >>>But, to answer your question of /what's wrong/, nothing. Renay offered
> >>>to jerk me off and I told her a blow job would be nicer.
> >
> >> >> > <http://www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com> ... what the fuck is wrong
with
> >> > you?
> >> >>
See? If I disregard my brain cells, I too can write your kind of
"in-depth analysis".
Rob
--
Rob Evans
When I see a swine
I reach for 45-calibre pearls.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
Of course she does. She suffers from a couple of diseases called
honesty and English. Neither are ever likely to trouble you, Will, as
long as you can feel free to add a question mark (which wasn't there in
the first place) to change the meaning.
Your usual slimy twisting in the wind or your trademark ignorance of the
word trade?
Mmmm, tough call.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
Thus proving that even the imaginary have more charisma yhan you.
Moron.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
Heh... maybe you could play Bernardo in the next Zorro episode.
http://membres.lycos.fr/zorrodiego/zoroserv.jpg
I was thinking Robert Blake, but... you seem to have the /delivery/ down
well, Rob. Know any Deep Purple covers?
> > I've written a dozen poems in recent weeks, Karla. Where have you
> > been? You can see a few here:
> >> >> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio
> >> >> > In fact, this entire thread began with the announcement that my
poem "Mirror Twins" will be a part of the Tuesday Afternoon Show, January
8th
> > episode <http://www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com> ... what the fuck is wrong
with you?
> >
> > Okay, I'll go with the opinions of Scotto, Uncle John... and Missy:
> >
> > "Will , You Are The Shit, Love Your heart and Soul If i were to give an
> > Award to best Poet/Musician
> > That award goes tooooo~~~~~ Will Dockery..."
> >
> > Heh... the young lady /do/ have a way with words...
> >
> > http://www.myspace.com/melissapick
> >
> > Honestly... who would /you/ listen to?!?
>
> >> > Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you
could
> >> > pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
> >> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart...
> > "Mirror
> >> > Twins" you'll obviously never figure out....
> >> Since I grant all my words to PD you can feel free if you
> >> want to record it. Say its yours and I wish you well.
> >> Or stick in a brollyhook and say PJR wrote it.
> >
> > I'll adapt it with Henry Conley, perhaps... there's also the Dale
Houstman
> > rewrite:
> > ----
> > The Milk Core
> >
> > Pregnant rose
> > garnished plate of kings,
> > the vulva
> > reflected stings offered
> > chaste and bundled
> > and the iced ground
> > already plowed
> > where winter
> > and her slugs
> > clung
> > repossessed
> > in the wet ravage
> > of neckless sun
> > with kiss spore's
> > silhouette
> > turning
> > the writhe
> > of the milk core.
> >
> > -Dale Houstman/Tom Bishop
> > ----
> >
> Mine was a sonnet, on face...
> If I etch a Southern Rock of Spring
> mint juleps flow
> the whores on Victory Avenue
> sort dandy-
> lions from the road-side grasses
> with their skirts
> of printed sunflowers,
> squat...
Hmmm... the possibilities are opening up... we'll see.
--
>> On your own, God.
>
> Usually am, and prefer it that way, actually.
Foolish to do it with poetry, since you are clearly so disconnected.
See ya.
>
>> >> > Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you
> could
>> >> > pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
>> >> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart...
>> > "Mirror
>> >> > Twins" you'll obviously never figure out...
>> >>
>> >> I feel I figured it out well enough.
>> >> It is your inability to accept the simple truth that I am relating
>> >> that is the problem. How could what I'm saying be /wrong/ for me.
>> >>
>> >> Why would I lie?
>> >
>> > Not calling you a liar, just reminding you that it's you /opinion/, not
> a
>> > /fact/.
>>
>> You fail to see that part of your audience is giving you detailed feedback
>> and spending their fingers to do so. You fail to acknowlege that it is a
> fact
>> for me.
>
> It's a fact that I've been as /cordial/ as possible to your assesment of
> /doom/ for my art.
You're delusional.
Your /art/ never saw the light of day.
I doubt it ever will, but cheering you on.
>
>> You can have any fantasy you want about your /precious words/ but my
> feedback
>> is what it is.
>>
>> You won't get any more. :)
>
> So enjoy the free pool... you won't even comment on the upcoming cover of
> "Spring" by the Dockery-Conley Trio? I hope you will, but your choice, of
> course.
>
>> You are one straw over the line, sweetie.
>
> Really?
Have fun.
>
>> >> > perhaps Scotto and Uncle John
>> >> > can interview you in a future episode of Tuesday Afternoon Show about
>> > poetry
>> >> > or something...
>> >>
>> >> Pornetry, maybe.
>> >
>> > I'm thinking a weekly spot where you critique a Usenet poet... wonder
> what
>> > Scotto and John think of the idea...
>>
>> Who cares?
>> I have no interest.
>> Maybe to push my website at some point, but /they/ seem
>> limp at that.
>
> They're /radio/... about the best they could do would perhaps be to play
> your /audios/ of Liesha, Pandora or perhaps one of the Shadowville babes
> breathing Dylan Thomas poems, /then/ giving a /shout out/ of your links...
> which is somewhat fascinating from /this/ side of the fence...
>
>> If discussing poetry with you is boring, imagine how bad
>> it is with Scotto and UJ?
>
> Especially if they have a much less narrow minded view of what poetry is and
> can be, right?
You are clueless and proud of it.
Have fun.
>
>> (who, pssst... have no taste in music, poetry or anything I can discern)
>
> Not enough acid, maybe.
>
> Did you have a look/listen to the newest Beatles bootleg video?
>
> Direct Path to video click this url
> http://www.beatlemania.ca/videos/heybulldog.htm
>
> Allen Ginsberg [what do you think of /him/, btw?] declared the Beatles "pop
> poets", you know.
>
>> >> >> It's a very bad performance piece that currently is nonsensical.
>> >> >
>> >> > Why not make a recording of one of your poems and show me how it's
> done?
>> >>
>> >> Why do you need a recording?
>> >
>> > How /else/ould you /perform/ it? Video?
>>
>> To me, poetry isn't a performance thing.
>>
>> Any poem worth snot is worth reading numerous times.
>> The concept of hearing it spoken, by the author, is optional,
>> and frequently dissappointing...
>
> A major problem with most poets, yeah, and a place where I clearly overtake
> them... thus the jealous firestorm continues.
The problem is more with your poetry upon attempting
to read it the first time. It falls apart as nonsense within a few lines
and the poem is never read at all.
I can't imagine even attempting to read a poem of yours
at this point.
My only reason before was to attempt to help you, but since
that isn't possible, forget reading your poetry.
Love ya, God.
>
>> > My usual response to hecklers: Come on up here and do better... shuts
> 'em up
>> > every time.
>>
>> I'm not heckling you. I spent my fingers giving you feedback.
>> You tell me that /abstraction/ is your preferred form.
>>
>> Fine... Not poetry, but have fun.
>
> Allen Ginsberg did not agree, nor did the other beats.
Bullshit. Ginsberg never read your crap.
Have fun.
Have fun.
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>
Because you only read threads concerning yourself. Renay critiqued more poems
in the last month than you have in your entire posting history to poetry
newsgroups.
Such as?
> >> > I've written a dozen poems in recent weeks, Karla. Where have you
> >> > been?
> >> >> > You
> >> >> >> > can see a few here:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In fact, this entire thread began with the announcement that my
> >poem
> >> >> > "Mirror Twins" will be a part of the Tuesday Afternoon Show, January 8th
> >> > episode <http://www.tuesdayafternoonshow.com> ... what the fuck is wrong
> >with you?
> >> >> >>
> >> > Okay, I'll go with the opinions of Scotto, Uncle John... and Missy:
> >> >
> >> > "Will , You Are The Shit, Love Your heart and Soul If i were to give an
> >> > Award to best Poet/Musician
> >> > That award goes tooooo~~~~~ Will Dockery..."
> >> >
> >> > Heh... the young lady /do/ have a way with words...
> >> >
> >> > http://www.myspace.com/melissapick
> >> >
> >> > Honestly... who would /you/ listen to?!?
> >>
> >> >> > Rather than continue to go in circles with me on this, perhaps you
> >could
> >> >> > pick out a poem from some of my new stuff
> >> >> > http://blog.myspace.com/dockeryconleytrio and pick /that/ apart...
> >> > "Mirror
> >> >> > Twins" you'll obviously never figure out...
> >
> >So enjoy the free pool... you won't even comment on the upcoming cover of
> >"Spring" by the Dockery-Conley Trio? I hope you will, but your choice, of
> >course.
> >
> >They're /radio/... about the best they could do would perhaps be to play
> >your /audios/ of Leisha, Pandora or perhaps one of the Shadowville babes
> >breathing Dylan Thomas poems, /then/ giving a /shout out/ of your links...
> >which is somewhat fascinating from /this/ side of the fence...
> >
> >Did you have a look/listen to the newest Beatles bootleg video?
> >
> >Direct Path to video click this url
> >http://www.beatlemania.ca/videos/heybulldog.htm
> >
> >Allen Ginsberg [what do you think of /him/, btw?] declared the Beatles "pop
> >poets", you know.
> >> >> > ----
> >> >> > Spring
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Pregnant, fettered, draped in Female best:
> >> >> > A Rose and garnish on the plate of kings,
> >> >> > The Vulva sparkles in reflected stings
> >> >> > As nature's-minion find an offered breast.
> >> >> > Chaste -- roving pollen-furling, earthen feast
> >> >> > Of planting: hard ground's plowed. The winter clings
> >> >> > To death, but life is greener now that April springs
> >> >> > Into the bloom of sex; each bud is repossessed.
> >> >> > The wasboard rains will ravage, rant and wet
> >> >> > The ground, and naked sun will kiss the spore,
> >> >> > now pushing dirt, they strive to fill the silhouette
> >> >> > of every green-Goded thing that begs on evermore.
> >> >> > The turning leaves of seasons won't forget
> >> >> > that life writhes always in its milky core.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -AJ
> >> >> > ----
> >> >>
> >> >> I always liked this. Bill Orr thought I had stolen his shit poem
> >> >> to write it... Quite funny.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rhyming feast with breast is rad. :)
> >> >
> >> > Slant rhyme, according to the book Colin gave me, I seem to remember,
> >right?
> >> > Or what is it... just plain bad rhyme?
> >>
> >> > I'll adapt it with Henry Conley, perhaps... there's also the Dale
> >Houstman
> >> > rewrite:
--
> I've yet to see one word of "critique" from you in all my months here,
> though, Renay... why is that?
because
you're a complete 'tard?
you drink too much and can't remember what you've read?
you're a convenient liar?
you simply pull stuff out of your ass and post it?
dumbass, you've responded to critiques I've posted here.
Renay
> I've yet to see one word of "critique" from you in all my months here,
> though, Renay... why is that?
because
I don't repost it twenty times in ten different threads?
Renay
You're a liar. She didn't offer and the fact that you'd purposefully alter her
original post shows what a loser you are. She wrote:
"pissy, pissy, Drunkery. truth hurts, huh?
you don't want honesty. you want a handjob.
Renay"
You're so pathetic - the Tuesday crew has no idea. The original post:
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"Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136372012.9...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> scottmac...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Just that Will's /work/ is so incredibly bad that /people talk/.
>> >Unlike you, some people here actually care about poetry.
>>
>> Oh my, we have professional poets here! I tremble.
>
> Actually, though most of the posters on the poetry newsgroups tried to
> write poetry at one time, very few still do... in fact they actively
> attempt to drive the poets that /do/ still write poetry away... this
> thread is one of the tamer examples, actually.
>
> Probably because they reaslize that I'm not going anywhere.
>
>> If any of you had a concern for our language, a majority of these posts
>> would not have been made.
>>
>> >>> And if you knew whom this was coming from you'd realize just how sad
>> >>> it
>> >>> is when I become the voice of maturity and optimism. Sad, sad, sad.
>>
>> >You guys are reasonably funny for a gay southern-fried talk show.
>> >The churches must think you are bizarre.
>>
>> Thanks, they do.
>>
>> Only I was fried briefly in the South. Uncle John has been a Yankee
>> all of his life.
>
> I suppose AJ thinks ya'll are /ringers/ I brought in from the local
> scene.
pissy, pissy, Drunkery. truth hurts, huh?
you don't want honesty. you want a handjob.
Renay"
>> Because you only read threads concerning yourself. Renay critiqued more poems
>> in the last month than you have in your entire posting history to poetry
>> newsgroups.
>
> Such as?
Thankfully, you don't attempt critique, God.
"There is a God"
<>
>> >> Mine was a sonnet, on face...
>> >> If I etch a Southern Rock of Spring
>> >> mint juleps flow
>> >> the whores on Victory Avenue
>> >> sort dandy-
>> >> lions from the road-side grasses
>> >> with their skirts
>> >> of printed sunflowers,
>> >> squat...
>
> Hmmm... the possibilities are opening up... we'll see.
I suppose my favorite sonnet is
"Mystic Spin"
How can I tell the dancer from the dance?
When all my eye can see is color; hues
in twilight, masquerading as my muse.
A pirouette could start a new romance,
but leave my eyes still begging for a chance
to split the twirl from filler of the shoes.
I court them both, ambivalent to who's
the mystic spinning holder of my glance.
Alas, the prism separation's flawed
and where divisions might occur they glue.
But still my vision's mesmerized and awed
by lovers on the floor that I pursue.
Yet just before I'm able to applaud
I realize that I am dancing too.
I see Missy dancing on a cloud in silver paint
with pink bra and panties...
Hopefully she has a navel ring...
--
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*snort*
Renay
You're confused again, Karla... I altered nothing, just responded to Renay's
offer to "jerk me off", responding that I'd prefer a blowjob.
These kids of exchanges happen all the time in Usenet... and you know it,
babe.
Get used to it.
Much better than your "Spring" poem... less stiff, and fewer forced
rhymes... might lend itself easier to music.
Perhaps I'll send this one to Conley and see which he gets the better
musical ideas from?
> I see Missy dancing on a cloud in silver paint
> with pink bra and panties...
>
> Hopefully she has a navel ring...
One of the finest poetry critics I know.
*grin*
Do your own work. I can easily think of two right off the top of my head.
Perhaps you can't due to your inability to tell the difference between flames
and critique? I think you've lost sight of why you're even posting and reading
poetry newsgroups, Will. Why are you? To bump Mirror Twins? To get your daily
ration of shit? To be the last baby standing?
Who will take my bet that Dockery will avoid the question by asking a question?
Karla
God, you're hot.
You make me want to shave close.
:)
> Powerless Little Mousy Psycho Tom Bishop squeaked:
>
> > I suppose my favorite sonnet is
> > "Mystic Spin"
> >
> > How can I tell the dancer from the dance?
> > When all my eye can see is color; hues
> > in twilight, masquerading as my muse.
> > A pirouette could start a new romance,
> > but leave my eyes still begging for a chance
> > to split the twirl from filler of the shoes.
> > I court them both, ambivalent to who's
> > the mystic spinning holder of my glance.
> > Alas, the prism separation's flawed
> > and where divisions might occur they glue.
> > But still my vision's mesmerized and awed
> > by lovers on the floor that I pursue.
> > Yet just before I'm able to applaud
> > I realize that I am dancing too.
>
> Much better than your "Spring" poem... less stiff,
> and fewer forced rhymes...
Forced rhymes? Damn! You're stupid.
--
Cm~