Re: Regrets of the Nam / George Dance
Will Dockery
"ggamble" wrote:
> On 29-Jan-2009, George Dance wrote:
>
> > At least it's a good sign he's admitted, for once, that it's crap;
> > even if, in order to do so, he has to pretend that I wrote it.
>
> So, you're saying that you didn't write it?
>
> So, you stole it afterall.
>
> What a weird thing to do.
>
> By the way, georgemoron: Who exactly is *Gary Gamble*?
>
> The only person to post to rap or aapc with that name
Well, here's where in 1998 Gary Gamble was really busy letting eveyone know
he was "Gary Gamble":
"If i had told him that his poem was utter shit, i don't think it would have
helped him at all."
- gary gamble
your typical asshole
and
"...thanks for the confessional jj, i'm sure we all have more knowledge of
your personal life than we ever needed to know. I sign my posts{garygamble}
now to avoid the confusion of mistaken identity. i use this name because it
is my name. if there was another gary gamble on the newsgroup, i would use
my middle initial. It's not a good idea to bring up the age issue, though.
you get flamed by self righteous 17 year olds. hmm dec. 76, i was
discussion coordinator for a really good little literary magazine, that
particular year we won some awards. the awards were mainly due to good
material and presentation, not the discussions i coordinated, however. gary
ga..."
and
"...I can't, or won't generalize about the rest of you,
but I'm guessing that Bostongal isn't more than a stonesthrow either side of
20 years old, I could be wrong, feel free to rip me if i am.lol. She writes
like a 20 year old, gets pissed off like a 20 year old, and sees the world
like one, nothing wrong with that mind you. But she has a really appealing
style and flow to her writing, and i see enormous potential there.
Potential. implying that she could achieve something if she works towards
it. (yeah, i know, who thefuckdoeshethinkheis? deal with it.) I would
hate to see that potential wasted. Complacency for any artist is death.
And with all the back-patting going on around here, i'm sensing a whole lot
of complacency and self-satisfaction. (who thehelldoeshethinkheis?) You, as
her friends and compatriots, can help her and yourselves to improve and grow
by offering constructive criticism to each other rather than 'just loving'
everything you read because you are afraid of upsetting each other. In the
long run, you will find this exercise well worth it.
gary gamble (there is another gary who posts regularly here, for
his sake, i'd like to say, I'm not him.) lol
----
So much for the claim that Gary Gamble has never posted here as "Gary
Gamble"...
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>is still rubbish"
Will Dockery
"On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built" wrote:
> George Dance says...
> >On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built wrote:
> >>ggamble says.=
>
> >> >> > > Regrets of the Nam
> >>
> >> > Regrets of the Nam
> >
> >> > Perhaps someday when honesty is closer, more evident,
> >> > Words will replace the thoughts and feelings, so prevalent.
> >> > For now, I am gone across a lonely, regretful brine,
> >> > To seek undaunted peacefulness for my troubled mind.
> >> > How despicable is a child man, to enhance wrath upon his quaker,
> >> > Knowing how frivolous he is upon his own chosen acre.
> >> > After so very long, my conscience is the stolid host,
> >> > Of afflictions imposed upon those I endeavored to care for most.
> >> > Let mankind be schooled, especially those deceived, heartless
skeptics,
> >> > Love for your fellow man, why ever lost, is as a soul torn from
life's =
> >epic.
> >> > The bitterness and regrets of war, beyond patriotic domestic
integrity,
> >> > Is a sad legacy imposed on children by evil and greedy hypocrisy.
> >
> >> > Gary Gamble
> >>
> >> >> > Gee georgemoron, you must think that piece of crap is a great
poem.
> >>
> >> >> No, I think it's a piece of crap -- but it's illustrative.
> >>
> >> >> > I wonder who wrote it?
> >>
> >> >> Learn to read, moron: according to poetry.com, Gary Gamble wrote it.
> >>
> >> >So, how long did it take you to register at poetry.com, get a profile
un=
> >der
> >> >the name *Gary Gamble*, write (or steal) a wretched poem, and then
post =
> >it
> >> >so you and your fellow semi-literates could dance around like excited
> >> >fourteen year olds pretending that Gary wrote a shitty poem?
> >>
> >> >Did you write it, or steal it?
> >>
> >> >It does sound a bit like you.
> >>
> >> >Oh, and thanks for responding to my command, george, you're ever so
> >> >obliging!
> >>
> >> i think we've stepped into something a little more creepy than Dancy's
us=
> >ual
> >> pathetic admonishments, G.
> >
> >Oh, now it's "creepy" to re-post your own poetry, is it? Well, let's
> >see if I can creep you out a bit more, and find a jr sherman classic
> >or two.
>
> actually, i was referring to your rather curious defense of a pre-teen
girl.
Hmmm... again GB and his imaginary "pre-teen girl".
Pretty creepy.
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"Twilight Girl" and other new poetry & music from Will Dockery:
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On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
it is not my fault that you entered into this discussion without knowing what
you were talking about. but you always do, dockery, and you always have, for
years.
truly, if your too incredibly stupid to read the entire thread, you really
should stay out of the discussion.
most sincerely,
GodBuilt
--
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"
There Will Be Blood
Will Dockery
"George Dance" wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>>George Dance wrote:
> >>Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>"ggamble" wrote:
>
> > Regrets of the Nam
>
> > Perhaps someday when honesty is closer, more evident,
> > Words will replace the thoughts and feelings, so prevalent.
> > For now, I am gone across a lonely, regretful brine,
> > To seek undaunted peacefulness for my troubled mind.
> > How despicable is a child man, to enhance wrath upon his quaker,
> > Knowing how frivolous he is upon his own chosen acre.
> > After so very long, my conscience is the stolid host,
> > Of afflictions imposed upon those I endeavored to care for most.
> > Let mankind be schooled, especially those deceived, heartless
> > skeptics,
> > Love for your fellow man, why ever lost, is as a soul torn from life's
> > The bitterness and regrets of war, beyond patriotic domestic
> > integrity,
> > Is a sad legacy imposed on children by evil and greedy hypocrisy.
>
> > Gary Gamble
>
>
> > > > > > I wonder who wrote it?
>
> > > > > Learn to read, moron: according to poetry.com, Gary Gamble wrote
it.
>
> > > > So, how long did it take you to register at poetry.com, get a
> > > > the name *Gary Gamble*,
>
> > > Gasfly Gamble doesn't remember his own poetry? He posted this piece
> > > years ago on Usenet, back in the "Pete The Dog" days, before his big
> > > writer's block burnout.
>
> > That would have been before my time -- I've been here on aapc only
> > three years -- but I've seen it posted here many times. This is the
> > first time in those three years that I've seen him claim someone else
> > wrote it.
>
> Gasfly's been more foamy than usual, but for him to deny his own
> poetry is pretty strange, even for him.
>
>At least it's a good sign he's admitted, for once, that it's crap;
>even if, in order to do so, he has to pretend that I wrote it.
Good Lord, ggamble has tried to credit pretty much everybody but himself
with writing it... never mind that he wrote and posted it years before
anyone he's creditied were even here!
His embarrassment at having written and posted it back in his "weaker" years
must be crippling.
George Dance
It is an embarrassment. I've read it at least 50 times, and I still
can't help laughing out loud whenever I get to:
"How despicable is a child man, to enhance wrath upon his quaker,"
BTW, did you see the Old Mother Hubbard parody I wrote the other day:
Old Gary Gamble
Went on a ramble
Because no one liked his old verse.
Although we weren't moved,
I'm sure he's improved;
He certainly couldn't do worse!
That might even make it to the book, though of course I'd have to
change the name; make it "Harry Campbell" or s/t.
Will Dockery
Maybe you could keep the comic book ring to the "ggness" of his name,
like "Peter Parker" or "Bill Bixby"... Lyin' Larry Lambol or
something...
Will Dockery
> "ggamble" wrote:
> > On 30-Jan-2009, George Dance wrote:
>
> > I know of several poems that have been published that were previously
> > workshopped on usenet back in the old days
>
> Umm, yes: I notice "Regrets of the Nam" made it into print, for
> example:
>
> <quote>
>
> >Eternal Portraits Series
> >(scheduled to be released Spring of 2005)
> > Price Description
> > $49.95 Classic, coffee-table quality hard-bound volume. Features poem
> >"Regrets of the Nam" on a full page by itself. Printed on fine-milled
paper
> >specifically selected to last for generations. Approximately 250 pages.
</q>
Heh... I wonder if ggamble ever paid them the $49.95 he owes them for his
contributor's copy?
> > showed up and turned everything into a pre-adolescent spitball
competition.
>
> "Pre-adolescent spitball competition" is a good description of aapc 2
> years ago, when I first showed up; even moreso than today. So who are you
blaming for that?
>
> > > > > I left Gary Gamble's name on it.
>
> > > > > > why?
>
> > > > > Duh - because Gary Gamble wrote it.
>
> > > > Okay, who the heck is the Gary Gamble you keep blathering on about?
>
> > > The author of the poem. Your name as well, right?
>
> > I've never made a usenet post under the name Gary Gamble.
>
> I can't say I believe that; but it doesn't answer the question in any
> case.
>
> > chuckles has, though.
>
> > The chances of chuckles writing that poem are at least as good as the
chance
> > that you wrote the poem.
>
> Since the probability I wrote it is 0, that's not saying much.
>
> > I still think you stole it and posted it to postpoems.com, or wherever.
>
> Yet you've also suggested that I wrote it, and that "chuckles" wrote
> it, and that the "aapc collective" wrote it, and even earlier you were
> claiming that Will Dockery wrote it. Who's next? Obama? Do you think
> Obama wrote it, too?
Anyone but the voice in his head who calls himself "ggamble", obviously.
> > I mean, someone wrote it in attempt to harass me, that's pretty clear.
>
> No, it isnt.
>
> > I don't really care who wrote it.
>
> Then why are you going around accusing everyone else of writing it?
>
> > I find the entire thing quite amusing.
>
> Oh, I see: you've been claiming that I wrote it just for fun; you
> really don't believe that. Good thing no one (except perhaps Psycho
> Sherman) believes you, then.
>
> > Actually, the funniest part is that you find the shitty poem to be a
shitty
> > poem.
>
> More evidence, to me, that you were the author.
>
> > You've repeatedly demonstrated your inability to distinguish between bad
writing and good
PJR seems to fall into that category as well, btw, as has been demonstrated
elsewhere.
> I just use a different criterion from you: "good writing" is not
> whatever swill is posted by you or one of your "online friends" (as
> you call them).
>
> > , so it's totally out of character for you to be able to
> > correctly identify that piece of shit as a piece of shit.
>
> Well, no; we're just using different criteria: you're calling it a
> piece of shit merely because you're "convinced" that neither you nor
> any of your "online friends" wrote it.
>
> > Perhaps there's hope for you yet.
>
> > > > Make your mind up, did this Gary Gamble person
That's an insult to "persons" the world over, but what the heck, even
ggamble doesn't want to be ggamble anymore... heh.
> > > > So far, you've claimed that you wrote it,
>
> > > So you've said. I'm still waiting to see your evidence of that.
>
> > You were having an exchange with Godbuilt *not his real name* and
Manwolf
> > *not his real name* about some young girl you were obsessing over
>
> Oh; I wondered where Psycho Sherman aka "God Built" got those stories
> about me and the "pre-teen girls." Now that's clear: from this
> exchange between him, me, and Manwolf that you dreamed up.
>
> > and he
> > (Godbuilt) *again, not his real name* said something about how your
> > behaviour
Always a laugh when a person like ggamble, who was born (Chicago), raised
and educated (Atlanta) in the United States uses pretentious, pretend
British spellings...
was so creepy, and you said it wasn't creepy to repost your own poetry.
>
> I'm surprised; there's some truth in that sentence. Psycho Sherman did
> write to you saying that posting the poem was "creepy," and I replied:
> "What's creep about reposting your own poetry" or WTTE.
>
> > So, a reasonable person *not you* could assume that you were saying
> > that you were reposting your own work.
>
> IOW: If I call a poem "YOUR poetry," I'm saying I wrote it. So that's
> how the pronoun "YOU" works in Gamblish.
> So, then, when you say as you did above: "I still think YOU stole it,"
> in Gamblish that means you think you stole it yourself.
>
> I'll buy that. Who did you steal it from?
>
> > > > and that Gary Gamble wrote it,
>
> > > I did say that; it is the name on the poem, after all.
>
> > Actually, George Dance's name is on the poem. You are George Dance,
aren't you?
>
> Yes, I am. You've already asked that question twice, and I've answered
> that. While I've asked you twice, "Is your name Gary Gamble?" and
> you've failed to answer twice. So let's keep that going for a while
> more:
>
> Is your name Gary Gamble?
>
> > It doesn't matter how you respond to this
>
> Then why do you keep asking a question I've already answered? Still
> think I'm going to miss your fucking with the subject title?
>
> > , you aren't the most truthful
> > person around
>
> Just like you say I'm a bad poet and a moron; though you never give
> any evidence for any of those claims. Whereas, when I say you're a
> liar, a bad poet, and a moron, I always give evidence.
>
> > , so, you know, no one is going to believe what you type
> > anyway.
>
> They don't have to believe me: now they've got your confession as
> well. Remember, up above, where you said "I'm convinced you stole it."
> A reasonable person who understands Gamblish would realize you
> confessed to stealing it yourself. (From whom, BTW?)
>
> > > > and
> > > > you seemed to imply that you thought that chuckles wrote it too.
>
> > > No, you "proposed" that idea.
>
> > Someone who would be motivated to harass me wrote or stole the poem. It
> > could have been chuckles, it could've been that illiterate fuckhead from
Georgia,
"I attended and graduated high school in Atlanta Georgia." -ggamble, from
the archives
it could've been the George Dance troll, it could've been any
> > number of people, personalities, sockpuppets.
>
> Don't forget "blankverse," or "Berryman's Legacy," or "pandora",
> Sharon McElroy, or Lexi McHugh, or Lucy Torres, or David George, or
> perhaps a thousand other poets (good, bad, and indifferent) whom
> you've trolled, harrassed, and flamed off this list in the all the
> years that you've been turning it into "a "preadolescent spitball
> competition."
Or Doris Cline, who ggamble did a real-like stalking job on, or Angel, or
Tom Bishop, oreven his lifelong obsession and object of desire, Chuck.
Oh, wait, Chuck was first on his list, as expected... after all, for years
now, he's almost all ggamble has any interest in writing about, unless its
to harrass elderly women and new members of the newsgroups.
> Or even someone who also has the name "Gary Gamble." I bet you never
> thought of that: more evidence that you really are a moron.
>
> > > My posts usually have my name on them. If you find that confusing,
>
> > Your posts *usually* have your name on them except when you're
pretending to be someone else.
>
> Coming from someone who brags that he never posts under his real name,
like you, that would be a PKB, would it not?
>
> > So, you admit that you routinely pretend to be someone else.
>
> Another uncited claim. Again I'll ask you for evidence you won't be
> bothered to even pretend to look for.
>
> > It's not that much of a stretch that someone who routinely pretends to
be someone else
>
> Like someone who's real name is "Gary Gamble", and claims he's never
> made a post under that name?
> (PKB, see?)
>
> > would pretend to have written a poem and put someone else's
> > name on it as an instrument of harassment.
>
> That would explain why you keep trying (ineptly, by fucking with the
> subject header) to keep putting my name on it, yes.
>
> > As far as your name being George Dance, the chances of you being named
> > George Dance
Having lived in Canada for decades (after graduating high school in Atlanta,
Georgia, as one of his multiple personalities named Gary Gamble has posted
several times over the years), it seems strange that ggamble is unaware of
the quite high profile of the Canadian politician and poet named George
Dance.
Or it could be a simple matter of ggamble's bitterness at his utter failure
as a poet and a man.
> I'm not ashamed of what I write -- so I use my real name.
>
> > My posts Never have my name on them. My posts never have had my name on
them.
"There is no such thing as ggamble" -ggamble
> > See the difference?
>
> Sure - I use my real name because I'm not ashamed of what I write;
> apparently, you don't use your real name because you are ashamed of
> what you write. Which is reasonable: you have written a lot on aapc --
> bad poetry, worse critique, thousands of trolls and flames and lies
> and general nuisance posts -- you should be ashamed of.
>
> Didn't think so.
>
> I think I just nailed it.
To the wall, it seems.
> > Are there other Gary Gamble poems
"hundreds" -God Built
> Are you now denying authorship of all the Gary Gamble poems ever
> written? Are you now convinced that I wrote them all (and you stole
> them from me, as per your confession above? Or maybe "chuckles" wrote
> them all? Or Will Dockery? or the aapc collective? or Obama? or all of
> us?
>
> Is there a big conspiracy that produced every single Gary Gamble poem
> posted in the last 15 years?
Maybe the voice in his head named "ggamble" wrote it for him?
After all, ggamble is showing signs of being afflicted with Multiple
Personality Disorder, in addition to his already established states of
writer's block and burn out.
> Well, now, that's apparently a fucking ignorant lie from a fucking
> ignorant liar. But I'll forebear judgement and ask for your cites.
> Please produce some evidence that I've ever posted anything at all on
> postpoems.com, much less any stolen poems.
>
> Now, don't try to weasel out even before I've challenged you. You just
> claimed that my "standard m.o." is to post poetry I've both written
> and stolen to postpoems.com -- and I've asked you to back that up, or
> be shown once again to be a lying little sack of shit.
>
> > While you're at it, why don't you go real life on people who laugh at
you on
> > usenet and call their places of business and threaten to burn down their
> > houses and factories?
>
> I don't even want to know what got you thinking of that, since I use
> my real name and it's in the phone book. Just make sure that you,
> Psycho Sherman, and all the remaining AUKtards among your "online
> friends" do no more than think about doing things like that to those
> who post their poetry here -- understand, asshole?
He seems to have understood.
--
"Twilight Girl" and other poetry & music from Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Regrets of the Nam
Perhaps someday when honesty is closer, more evident,
Words will replace the thoughts and feelings, so prevalent.
For now, I am gone across a lonely, regretful brine,
To seek undaunted peacefulness for my troubled mind.
How despicable is a child man, to enhance wrath upon his quaker,
Knowing how frivolous he is upon his own chosen acre.
After so very long, my conscience is the stolid host,
Of afflictions imposed upon those I endeavored to care for most.
Let mankind be schooled, especially those deceived, heartless
skeptics,
Love for your fellow man, why ever lost, is as a soul torn from life's
epic.
The bitterness and regrets of war, beyond patriotic domestic
integrity,
Is a sad legacy imposed on children by evil and greedy hypocrisy.
Gary Gamble
Copyright ©2009 Gary Gamble
Fair use - previously posted on usenet
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"Your assertion that the syllable count of a line has anything to do
with
anything is absurd."
- Gary Gamble, explaining his approach to writing metered verse.