GOD BLESS BRAD GUTH AND ALL OTHER TRUTH-SEEKERS LIKE HIM

Intrepid

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Hägar

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So Ed ... those kooky voices in your head just won't let up ...

Brad Guth

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> So Ed ... those kooky voices in your head just won't let up ...

At least Ed Conrad is an honest hard working American that doesn't
have to hide his true ID, so if you insist upon classifying honest
folks like Ed as being anything but honorable and trustworthy, then
what does that make your GW Bush and company of Mafia cabal FUD-
masters, if not ZNR monsters that would only make Hitler smile?

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HVAC

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Aug 17, 2011, 4:10:56 PM8/17/11

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On 8/16/2011 9:16 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
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>> So Ed ... those kooky voices in your head just won't let up ...
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> At least Ed Conrad is an honest hard working American that doesn't
> have to hide his true ID, so if you insist upon classifying honest
> folks like Ed as being anything but honorable and trustworthy, then
> what does that make your GW Bush and company of Mafia cabal FUD-
> masters, if not ZNR monsters that would only make Hitler smile?

Ed Conrad is a kook of the 1st water. By way of example,
YOU are only a 2nd tier kook.

No offense.

--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
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Brad Guth

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Aug 17, 2011, 7:37:38 PM8/17/11

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For whatever it's worth, your Zionist Nazi opinion is noted.

What extremely nearby planet has the most to offer? (Brad Guth /
Venus)

What if we’ve all been systematically distracted and snookered past
the point of no return? (not to mention having been lied to, ripped
off and bankrupted by those of our own elected and faith-based
authority that were supposed to keep really bad stuff from happening,
or at least from getting any worse)

What if we discovered a super terrific planet that was reasonably
nearby and it essentially had everything of those essential raw
elements except molecular abiogenic hydrocarbons (even though most
rocky planets and moons by rights should offer abiogenic hydrocarbons
unless the laws of physics are different), and perhaps otherwise
offered only a minimal amount of surface nitrogen (its atmospheric N2
at 3.5% of 4.8e20 kg = 1.7e19 kg (roughly three fold more N2 than our
own atmospheric mass) that’s sourced and replenished from deep within
the planet).

What if this planet otherwise offered essentially unlimited renewable
energy that was worth roughly at least ten fold or 1000% more of
easily extractable energy/m2 than Earth has to offer us.

What if the geothermal upwelling energy was basically unlimited and
otherwise naturally venting in over a thousand easily tapped locations
as is, not to mention one specific enormous fluid arch that’s easy
enough to see as is.

What if satellites had to orbit 300+ km due to its protective
atmosphere, and because of the incredibly slow planet rotation makes
GSOs way the hell out there. (might as well utilize its cool L2 as our
OASIS outpost/gateway and simply hand deploy GSO transponders from
that energy efficient location)

What if the atmosphere below those thick and robust layers of
protective though acidic clouds that represent teratonnes of easily
accessible water was actually relatively calm, dry and nicely
retrograde (meaning that any composite rigid airship/shuttle could
easily cruise or station-keep itself within the always slightly cooler
season of nighttime, and otherwise efficiently operate within a
relatively clear atmosphere up to 30 km altitude.

What if the available buoyancy was worth 65 kg/m3 and whatever
materials of your rigid composite airship/shuttle construction, fuels,
supplies, equipment and yourself only weighed 90.5 % of the same on
Earth.

What if there was actually a lot more thorium, uranium and other rare
heavy elements to behold than Earth has, and it was all easily
accessible upon or within its unusually high metallicity surface.

What if this other planet was by far the closest to us (only 100 LD
every 19 months), making its L2 easily accessible within three months.

What if there had already been some other form(s) of intelligent life
existing/coexisting on this other planet, as suggested by the
surveillance image that has been available for more than 15 years.

What if your government and most of its upper-most caste of public
funded staff and a good number of insider privileged contractors
always knew about all of this as of more than a couple decades ago.

What if I were to tell you a few things about this planet that haven’t
been mainstream published nor much less reported in K12 textbooks.

What if I had a few dozen other unauthorized “what ifs” and deductive
interpretation to share.

Just in case our GG and GG+ Usenet and Newsgroups flatlines or flames-
out again, there's always my "Google-Usenet" and "Guth-Usenet"
accounts that are hosted and regulated by Google servers, as remaining
sufficiently isolated and fully functional, and for the moment they
are open to the public and only managed by myself.
http://groups.google.com/group/google-usenet/topics?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet/topics?hl=en

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William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 12:01:49 AM9/26/11

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I believed in evolution over-population and global warming for the
longest time, because I was indoctrinated into it from a very early
age. Yet, the data is skewed and the theories proposed to support the
ruling oligarchy's long-term plans. That part is left out. There are
equally compelling ideas that comport with the facts as we know them
that don't support our owners' plans - these are ridiculed and do not
form the basis of our indoctrination.

I always find it interesting that new ideas are met with ridicule
rather than reason. This is a reflection of the indoctrination
process where ridicule of one's peers serves to keep people in line.
Haha - I ridiculed Brad for a long time, and realized that he was
brave enough to think outside his programming in some areas, and had
to respect him for that.

I find it incredibly interesting that Iapetus contains 1.8e+21 kg of
water ice and that the Earth's hydrosphere contains 1.4e+21 kg of
water. An equivalent sized hydrosphere for Venus would contain 1.32e
+21 kg of water (covering 72% of Venus' surface). Reducing this to
50% reduces this to 0.92e+21 kg of water. About half the total.

At 932 ppb Lithium constitutes 1.15e+15 kg of Iapetus. Of this 7.5%
or 89.21e+12 kg of Lithium is the Lithium-6 isotope, valued as an
aneutronic fuel. At 156 ppm there is 3.12e+16 kg of Deuterium on
Iapetus. 1.15e+14 kg of Lithium-6 Deuteride can be made on Iapetus.

A minimum energy transfer orbit from Saturn to Venus requires a 6.2 km/
sec delta vee. Arriving at approximately 15 km/sec at Venus, this
water if directed appropriately over about a month's period against
the limb of Venus can cause it to spin up to a 50 hour day after
spending several years in transit. Arriving at 45 km/sec at Venus,
spin rate is tailored to precisely 24 hours with an orbital
inclination to produce seasonal variations every .732 years. Transit
time is reduced to 9 months and departure speed is around 40 km/sec at
Saturn.

A one kilogram self-replicating machine system is introduced into
Iapetus. The entire body is processed and chemically separated by
microscopic machine cells. Approximately 1.6e20 kg of industrially
useful materials are extracted from the moon. Water is formed into
ice blocks 100 meters on a side coated with a thin reflective polymer
film made of Giant Birefringent Optical materials. Each block is
launched by an array of fusion powered rockets toward Venus.

With an exhaust speed of 33,000 km/sec and a final speed of 40 km/sec
0.14% of the ice block's mass must be lithium-6 deuterium pellets for
the micro-fusion rocket array. With the Lithium on Iapetus there is
sufficient energy to move only a small fraction of the total. A grand
total of 2.2e+18 kg of lithium-6 deuteride is needed.

Saturn has an amount of available lithium-6 to make 5.3e+19 kg of
lithium-6 deuteride pellets. Enough to move 20x the amount required.
Starting with 1 kg of machine cells it requires only 85 doubling
periods to process 5% of Saturn for the required Lithium-6 and
Deuterium. 1.5e23 kg of industrially useful materials are also
removed from Saturn by this process over the same period.

Self replicating systems are sent to Venus to process that planet in
advance of the arrival of its oceans. The atmosphere is liquified,
processed and removed. Earth's atmosphere consists of 3.9e+18 kg of
Nitrogen and 1.1e+18 kg of Oxygen. Venus' atmosphere consists of 16.8e
+18 kg of Nitrogen (4.3x Earth's) and 336.9e+18 kg of oxygen (306x
Earth's (in the form of Carbon Dioxide)) along with 126.3e+18 kg of
Carbon. The excess Nitrogen, Oxygen and Carbon are removed from Venus
leaving an Earth normal atmosphere on the planet. Consisting of 78%
Nitrogen and 22% Oxygen.

I find it interesting that the excess Nitrogen on Venus is sufficient
to provide Nitrogen for Earth-like atmospheres to Mars, Mercury, the
Moon, and the major asteroids in addition to Venus.

With 25% of Mars' surface covered by oceans as deep as those found on
Earth 0.17e+21 kg of water is needed there. With 25% of the Moon's
surface covered by oceans as deep as those found on Earth 0.044e+21 kg
of water is needed on Luna. With 25% of Mercury's surface covered
with oceans as deep as those found on Earth 0.033e+21 kg of water is
needed on Mercury.

Water on Earth: 1.4e+21 kg

Water on Iapetus: 1.8e+21 kg

Water needed on Venus: 0.92e+21 kg for 50% coverage.
Water needed on Luna: 0.044e+21 kg for 25% coverage.
Water needed on Mercury: 0.033e+21 kg for 25% coverage.

Total: 0.996e+21 kg.

The engineered atmospheres of Luna, Mercury and Mars, imported from
Venus are higher than their surfaces would suggest since to achieve
higher pressures on these low gravity worlds more gas is required.
The lower gravities result in a lower lapse rate, meaning higher
pressures at vastly higher altitudes than found on Earth and Venus.
These atmospheres take more gas despite smaller surface areas.

Venus 0.902 area 0.904 gravity 0.99 atmosphere
Mars 0.234 area 0.320 gravity 0.89 atmosphere mass
Luna 0.074 area 0.165 gravity 0.45 atmosphere mass
Mercury 0.056 area 0.380 gravity 0.15 atmosphere mass

So, approximately 1.48x Earth's atmosphere. And recall there is 4.8x
the Nitrogen needed and over 300x the oxygen needed. So, we're left
with suffiicent 'air' to recharge these atmospheres for billions of
years, including providing air for space cities built in the asteroid
belt.

Here we have a planet, its total area relative to Earth, the water
coverage engineered for it, the number of acres developed on it, and
the number of acres relative to the total land mass of Earth. When we
see that only 10% of Earth is arable, we can multiply this figure by
10x to obtain useful area of Earth.

Venus : 0.902 50% 56.8 billion acres 154% Earth.
Mars: 0.234 25% 22.1 billion acres 60% Earth
Moon: 0.074 25% 7.0 billion acres 19% Earth
Mercury: 0.056 25% 5.2 billion acres 14% Earth

A total of 91.1 billion acres of developed land. Enough for 18
billion homesites of five acres each.

Brad Guth

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Sep 26, 2011, 12:07:56 AM9/26/11

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Our resident Zionist Nazi Republicans and/or Rednecks really don't
care what you, myself or anyone else thinks. They want us to either
die or become mass culled.

William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 1:36:52 AM9/26/11

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SOMETHING GOOD COMING TO US ALL

I imagine a time within the next three years where this program is
carried out and bilions of fusion powered flying homes arrive in the
skies of Earth, picking up everyone who wants to be picked up - and
carried to a site of their choice and given freehold over it, and
claims for all their children and loved ones. That's 7 billion of the
18.2 billion homesites available - leaving Earth uninhabited.

THE ASTEROID BELT

Processing the entire asteroid belt sorts through 3e+21 kg of
materials to extract 1e+19 kg of industrially useful materials.
Approximately 5x this amount if extracted from the crusts of Venus,
Mercury, Mars and the Moon. Most of that initially forms the shields
for each of these planets. They reduce (or in the case of Mars
increase) the illumination levels to Earth normal, for the life
there. They also provide a powerful magnetic field to deflect solar
wind and solar flares from the planets.

O'Neill Island three cylinders built of steel, or McKendree cylinders
built of carbon, scaled up to the limit of nanotubes - provide
hundreds of times the surface area of Earth with far more efficient
use of materials. Nitrogen and additional water may be supplied by
the Saturnian moon Enceladus and the Neptunian moon Triton.
Gathering the small bodies of the inner solar system into the same
orbit as Ceres, and forming a spinning torus 2.76 AU in radius and 30
km in diameter - illuminated by a concentrator 228.6 km wide orbiting
just inside the ring - provides a habitable surface totaling 9.63
TRILLION acres - with 25% of the area oceans - 7.23 trillion acres of
developed land is produced. This is 262x the land area of Earth.
Its surprising to see that Triton has sufficient nitrogen and Venus
sufficient oxygen (from the reduction of CO2 to C + O2) to provide an
Earth normal atmosphere for this gigantic ring. Divided among 7
billion people this provides 4,100 acres for a family of four. With
self-replicating machinery this requires only a few days to
manufacture. It requires a little over a year to bring all the pieces
together from across the solar system using fusion rocketry.
Populating with plants, fungi, viruses, insects, animals, fishes,
sponges, and so forth - adequate to maintain a stable ecology over the
long term will take another three to five years.

Assuming every family of four had something like this available to
them, along with micro-robot swarms to take care of maintenance;

http://www.bellesdemeures.com/annonces/achat-de-prestige/chateau/proche-paris-78/41347031.htm?idtt=8&idtypebien=13&tri=d_px&bclannpg=2&page=

Then we can say each familiy requires 80 acres. 20 acres per
person. Divided by 7.23 trillion acres of habitable area - this is
903.8 billion home sites of this type. Humanity would fill this
infrastructure in 2359 AD - 348 years from now. Assuming a rapid
1.14% per year population growth and 7 billion people alive today.
Using the methods outlined by McKendree the torus diameter would
easily be increased from 30 km to 1,000 km increasing area 33x
producing 3 trillion homes. This larger figure requires 657 years to
make efficient use of at 1.14% per year growth rate, starting with 7
billion people. 2667 AD.

BEYOND SOL

At a distance 3.5 million km from Sol, we build very large solar
powered laser stations held there by light pressure. These stations
beam energy 670 AU or more from the Sun. There, the beams are
reflected in a way that causes the beam to form an annulus AROUND the
Sun, using the Sun's own gravity as a vast lens, allowing great
amounts of optical energy to be precisely aimed forming beams directed
to other nearby stars. Fusion powered spacecraft accelerate for 4
months at 1/3 gee to 8.5% light speed reaching a 670 AU (Astronomical
Unit) distance from Sol. They meet up with the beam and deploy a
laser light sail. They continue accelerating for another 8 months -
achieving 1/3 light speed 1/6th of a light year from Sol.

A similar set up is erected at the target star - 4 to 6 light years
removed from Earth and the process is reversed to bring the ship into
the star system. About 11 to 17 years ship time - 12 to 18 years
Earth time. If you've ever seen the movie THE MATRIX, or 2001: A
Space Odyssey it is most likely that travelers are held in a form of
stasis, but have the opportunity to experience virtual reality during
the trip.

Over a 360 year period,by 2371 AD, assuming no radical improvements
over this core technology, a sphere 120 light years in radius
containing 463,000 star systems are settled using this core
technology. Each of these star systems contain planets and asteroids
similar to those found at Sol and each of these are processed as the
Inner Solar System and Asteroid Belt are processed to produce 3
trillion home sites of the type described above. This is a grand
total of 1.4e+18 home sites of 80 acres each. To fill this requires
1809 years of growth at 1.14% per year starting with 7 billion today.
That's 3920 AD.

SUPERLUMINAL TRAVEL AND COMMUNICATIONS

Radio and optical telescopes operating at 670 AU from Sol, and similar
systems operating around other stars, allow us to use the gravity
fields of the stars to beam precise signals between stars - even
across the galaxy. A precisely coded signal sent to Sagitarius A-
star, the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy, allow
us to learn signficant things about black hole physics. This includes
confirmation of the Penrose Mechanism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_process

Here, signals and objects are sent through time and have the potential
to emerge from the ergosphere *before* they arrive. Careful
engineering of the signal permits communications instantly across the
cosmos as well as communications through time - providing such
communications do not violate the Navikov Self-Consistency Requirement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle

The ability to expand tele-presence and teleoperation throughout ALL
of human-space is a definite possibility here. Combining this
capacity with virtual reality and seamless operation of an Avatar
provides virtual instantaneous travel anywhere within human space.

PRODUCTION OF ARTIFICIAL BLACK HOLES

Collecting and shaping large pyramidal prisms made of Iron-56 isotope,
and causing a dozen of them to collide at 1/3 light speed or more,
provides a means to extend early research in black hole physics into
the realm of engineering practice. Consider a dozen well situated
star systems coordinating their efforts to create engineered black
holes. Working first with the black holes themselves, and then with
collections of black holes, a new class of machinery becomes
possible. Practical outcomes are gravity drives, high speed
interstellar travel, a whole host of things. Any system capable of
near light speed can be made to travel to Sagitarius A-star at the
center of the Milky Way and be replicated using the Penrose
Mechanism. It may also be made to arrive at any place and time
required. Orders through the instantaneous interstellar internet! Of
course, microscopic black holes decay. Controlling that decay to
produce molecular beams, and then assemble those beams into useful
products, is a way to create useful things other than super-advanced
black hole dust based machinery. So, one can imagine a microscopic
black hole decaying into a ham sandwich, or a bottle of beer - at a
specified place and time. Perhaps in response to a time-telephone
call.

In this way 4 million solar masses, or 8e+36 kg, or 2.6 Quadrillion
asteroid belts - the material contained in all the asteroid belts of
25,000 galaxies of 100 billion stars each!! is made available in ANY
FORM DESIRED!

And there are over 100 billion supermassive black holes at the center
of 100 billion galaxies across the cosmos!

The same process that allows us to tap into the center of our galaxy,
can also be used to tap into the center of ALL GALAXIES - and make any
desired product available anywhere in the cosmos over any time over a
trillion year epoch!

WHERE ARE THEY?

The availability of this technology if made broadly available to all
technical species will reduce the density of intelligence in the
cosmos in any time period and any location close to zero.

William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 4:52:46 AM9/26/11

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Global Cooling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttLBqB0qDko

How you are programmed:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5088824737902198440#

In the 1940s following World War 2, the powers that be (David Wilcock
calls them the powers that were), decided to pull the plug on
agricultural investment. As a result, farm productivity plummeted
while food costs skyrocketed. Traders arranged to take advantage of
the artificial scarcity, and push out independent producers in the
1950s, while increased regulations accelerated the trend in the
1960s. In the 1970s, Club of Rome and other think tanks put out a
whole host of scientific explanations for increasing famine, disease,
and death in the world, as well as increasing food costs - and
promoted the whole idea of overpopulation which became an accepted
norm by 1980s.

In the 1970s I was a student at The Ohio State University and we were
able to show that we could produce 156,000 lbs of food per acre in a
controlled environment of a space colony, while RAND Corporation and
other think tanks explained why 10,000 lbs per acre in 1950 dropped to
5,000 lbs per acre by 1970 and will likely drop to 2,000 lbs per acre
by 2000. NASA's work was ignored. It still is, gaining no investor
or government or banking interest.

BECAUSE THEY NEED 90% OF US 'SHEEPLE' TO DIE!

and not blame the farmer who brought about this disaster.

American

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Sep 26, 2011, 9:03:36 AM9/26/11

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The California labor assembly committee on labor & employment
estimates that the size of the underground California economy to be
between $60 - $140 Billion/year, and this costs the state at
least $6 Billion/year in tax receipts, amounting to about 1/3 of
the 2010 - 2011 California deficit. California is 13% of the
U.S. GDP.

It's not inconceivable that the nation underground economy
could be close to $1 Trillion. Since cheap labor remains the
hallmark of the underground economy, its no wonder that
wages become depressed and work is denied to citizenry.
There's also the social programs run amok by increased taxes
for revenue shortfall that supports education, social services,
and infrastructure for the rest of the California population.

The deficit and underground economy are roughly equal for
2011. But no one seems to remember the April 30, 2011
Democratic Senate white paper on immigration reform, as
it was issued in an election year, as it became nearly 100%
blindsided by the left's "hope and change" manifesto, from which
there has also arisen, a 'circle the wagons' approach by the
NWO progressive establishment within our own bureaucracy.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/sarahb/farm/
http://www.realtruth.org/articles/100607-006-family.html
http://www.homesteadcertification.com/familyfarmdecline.asp

Maybe its time to build a "super wall" around our border,
rather than cater to the needs of way too many multi-cultural
barbarians at the gate. Besides, anyone like their head on a stick
because of a territorial dispute?

American

"The limits of language are the limits of the world."

- Ludwig Wittgenstein, 1889 - 1951

Brad Guth

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Sep 26, 2011, 9:20:35 AM9/26/11

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> http://showcase.netins.net/web/sarahb/farm/http://www.realtruth.org/articles/100607-006-family.htmlhttp://www.homesteadcertification.com/familyfarmdecline.asp

>
> Maybe its time to build a "super wall" around our border,
> rather than cater to the needs of way too many multi-cultural
> barbarians at the gate. Besides, anyone like their head on a stick
> because of a territorial dispute?
>
> American
>
> "The limits of language are the limits of the world."
>
> - Ludwig Wittgenstein, 1889 - 1951

Building walls is another sign the end is near, because the resources
for constructing and maintaining such walls will far exceed their
perceived value. The USA already has multiple walls of less visible
means for shunning those we can't afford to accommodate, and for the
most part those haven't worked either, especially when we tally up the
true all-inclusive cost.

We essentially created everything that got us to 9/11, and apparently
we still haven't learned a damn thing, because without the whole truth
and nothing but the truth it'll happen again and again.

William Mook means well and is honestly capable of helping us to save
ourselves. Problem is, there's too much history getting in the way,
and those we have trusted the most we should trust the least.

Brad Guth

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Sep 26, 2011, 9:32:44 AM9/26/11

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> http://www.bellesdemeures.com/annonces/achat-de-prestige/chateau/proc...

We can still imagine all we like, as long as our imagining doesn't
involve taking any actions that might upset the mainstream status-quo,
that honestly doesn't want anything of their past to ever get revised
nor their future to change for the better of accommodating us lower
caste.

You need sponsors and/or associates in order to get ahead, and if
there are none willing to risk exposure or remorse for their past
associations and actions, it's unlikely that anyone as smart as
yourself or Einstein will be allowed to move forward with the sort of
changes you keep telling us are doable.

My advice is to focus upon something more direct and within your own
capabilities, as otherwise history is not going to even bother
recording anything good about William Mook.

You seem to be good with energy concepts and methods of potentially
cleaner and cheaper energy. So why not stick with doing that?

Brad Guth

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Sep 26, 2011, 11:36:34 AM9/26/11

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Apparently mainstream science simply isn't ready for your "man of
coal" or that of intelligent other life on Venus. Perhaps we need to
waste another century and survive another world war before those in
charge and their faith-based pretenders give any tinkers damn about
the rest of us.

In the news we have our NASA and their mainstream media hype of
supposedly peer approved infomercials, pertaining to numerous
exoplanets that the next 100 generations from now will never set any
probe into orbit or much less get any naked Goldilocks foot upon.
However, perhaps the seemingly newish Venus was once an exoplanet of
Sirius(B), and right now it’s passing us within 100 LD every 19
months, as well as having been more tidal locked to us than to the
sun. At least at the rate exoplanets are getting discovered seems to
suggest there’s going to be a lot more of those than stars, and star
can’t forever hold onto their planets.

Never the less and even if Venus is an original of our solar system,
has anyone here got any better ideas, notions or deductive swags as to
what that extremely large clover shaped reservoir is all about?

Even as a conservative interpretation, it seems rather enormous but
kind of perfectly natural, including that other conventional reservoir
above it that’s containing something fluid and is connected. However,
as far as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or
that obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything
nearly as geologically terrain and erosion complex and impressive, so
what the hell gives?

BTW; just for amusing yourself and others being a good investigative
sport, this ongoing investigative effort is to see if anyone else can
manage to deductively interpret anything the least bit unusual within
the following image that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws
of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that
the original image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36
confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of
43 degrees, so its interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re
a devout Zionist, Jewish or otherwise a pretend-Atheist diehard that’s
totally stumped or dumbfounded, then turn this observationology
request over to a bunch of 5th graders as a class science project.

Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
“Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 1:06:59 PM9/26/11

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On Sep 26, 9:32 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 25, 10:36 pm,WilliamMook<mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 25, 9:07 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

What about the good guys getting lucky, and the bad guys being unlucky
these days don't you understand?

You speak as if you still believe the world you were indoctrinated to
believe in is the way it really is. lol. Wake up Brad! For your
own sake, listen to yourself! You talk about terror happening again
and again and ignore as if terror were not a hoax. You embrace the
fiction that we're all a victim of Muslim extremists and ignore the
fact that anthrax attacks came from Ft. Dietrich, that the Air Defense
Command of the USA stood down for over an hour, that Condolezza Rice
testified before Congress that during the attacks of 9/11 Air Force
One received *in code* the threat "Angel is next!"

Not reported as openly as Ms. Rice's testimony before Congress, but
available to anyone who cares to look, OUR PRESIDENT was also
commanded to meet representatives of the coup at Offut AFB. During
his trip there he recieved *cosmic* codes, launch codes for nuclear
missiles, demonstrating that whomever was transmitting on a STU III
secure PRESIDENTIAL link, could launch world war 3. When he arrived
at Offut, with others such as Warren Buffett, OUR PRESIDENT AND
NATIONAL LEADERSHIP WAS COMMANDED TO SAY BIN LADEN BIN LADEN BIN LADEN
AL QUEDA AL QUEDA AL QUEDA. If he did not, if they did not, they were
told world war 3 would be started and America and Russia would be
destroyed. You may not live out this day.

Bush, acceded to these requests. He didn't have the background, the
intelligence, the moral or spiritual capacity, to even attempt to
defeat the perpetrators.

His true role was revealed. He was a puppet, incapable of grasping
real power. Others were in control for their own purposes. They have
been in control ever since the killing of JFK. The data is out there.

http://jkornacki.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/wolff_real_wages.jpg

We can see that productivity decoupled from real-wages in 1913 - the
year the Federal Reserve was founded. This the result of a multi-year
effort by the banksters of that era, which involved a lot of criminal
wrong doing. Not the least of which was the assasination of McKinley,
and sinking of the Titanic - and the killing of John Astor and 600
other supporters of the "American Way"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgcdRCWEt4Q

JP Morgan owned the White Star Line, funded the construction of the
Titanic, arranged an international meeting in Europe, and arranged
free travel for Astor and other 'Notable Americans as a promotional
benefit in honor of their standing in the business community'! lol.

Things started to unravel in 1913. Though, Eisenhower The theft of
American wealth didn't accelerate until the assassination of JFK and
LBJs reversal of Executive Order 11110 and removal of silver and gold
from our coins. The $5.6 billion of debt free currency JFK issued
against US silver was just the beginning. This was the first step in
Hilton Green Agreement signed in Geneva in 1963. JFK got an agreement
with Suharto, the representative who looked after the 140,000 tons of
gold taken out of China in 1938 to keep it out of Japanese hands.
With this gold there is sufficient capacity to operate government
without debt and without taxes - and this would have bankrupted the
owners of the Federal Reserve - which was Kennedy's intention after he
saw that Wall Street banksters were intending to start World War 3.

The Death of JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAQ5mFkrlDs

The Death of JFK Jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EK2swspKgw

The Attempt on FDR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISOs_GXEL40

Wake up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=BM6UEbviYEk

BDK

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Sep 26, 2011, 1:26:51 PM9/26/11

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In article <83348291-b84d-4dd9-8340-5f179b4402e3@
20g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, mokme...@gmail.com says...

> > > > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?- Hide quoted text -

> > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?

Wow, you're even more batshit crazy than Guthball. In your eyes, I
suppose that's WINNING.

Apologies to Carlos Estevez.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

Brad Guth

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On Sep 26, 10:06 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What about the good guys getting lucky, and the bad guys being unlucky
> these days don't you understand?

I think you mean the bad guys being lucky and the good guys being
unlucky.

> The Death of JFKhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAQ5mFkrlDs

>
> The Death of JFK Jr.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EK2swspKgw
>
> The Attempt on FDRhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISOs_GXEL40
>
> Wake up!http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=BM6UEbviYEk

What you or I believe or interpret for others is truly meaningless,
because those truly in charge have us by our private parts and
otherwise owned as sheep.

Do your greener and cheaper energy thing, because that alone will do
lots towards pissing them off, especially at the end-user cost of one
cent per kwhr. Perhaps as a much needed distraction, for a change
they'll have to focus all of their big guns and cannons at you instead
of at others and myself.
-

In the news we have our NASA and their mainstream media hype of
supposedly peer approved infomercials, pertaining to numerous

exoplanets that the next 100 generations from now will never get any
probe into orbit or much less set any naked Goldilocks foot upon.

However, perhaps the seemingly newish Venus was once an exoplanet of

Sirius(B), and right now it’s passing extremely nearby us within 100

LD every 19 months, as well as having been more tidal locked to us
than to the sun. At least at the rate exoplanets are getting
discovered seems to suggest there’s going to be a lot more of those

than stars, and most main sequence stars can’t forever hold onto their
planets.

It’s not that complex life didn’t originate on Earth, but more about
other complex life as having originated off-world and having by
happenstance or via directed panspermia contributed to our terrestrial
complexity and diversity, as well as having found a home on other
planets and moons. In most instances those other planets and moons
would likely not be suitable to any degree of panspermia or
intentionally deployed complex life, but in some instances, such as
upon Earth or via assisted kinds of complex life, could have made a go
of it on even the geologically active and hellish pressure-cooker
world of Venus, whereas at least via applied physics and good
technology is where surviving Venus isn’t insurmountable.

William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 2:23:57 PM9/26/11

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> >http://showcase.netins.net/web/sarahb/farm/http://www.realtruth.org/a...

>
> > Maybe its time to build a "super wall" around our border,
> > rather than cater to the needs of way too many multi-cultural
> > barbarians at the gate. Besides, anyone like their head on a stick
> > because of a territorial dispute?
>
> > American
>
> > "The limits of language are the limits of the world."
>
> > - Ludwig Wittgenstein, 1889 - 1951
>
> Building walls is another sign the end is near, because the resources
> for constructing and maintaining such walls will far exceed their
> perceived value. The USA already has multiple walls of less visible
> means for shunning those we can't afford to accommodate, and for the
> most part those haven't worked either, especially when we tally up the
> true all-inclusive cost.
>
> We essentially created everything that got us to 9/11, and apparently
> we still haven't learned a damn thing, because without the whole truth
> and nothing but the truth it'll happen again and again.
>

> WilliamMookmeans well and is honestly capable of helping us to save

> ourselves. Problem is, there's too much history getting in the way,
> and those we have trusted the most we should trust the least.
>
> http://translate.google.com/#
> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Take heart. A single self-replicating machine cell is here. Things
proceed rapidly after that. A 20 micron diameter sphere that has an
average density of 1.8 g/cc masses

Volume = pi()/6 * D^3 = 4,188.79 cubic microns.

Now a micron is 1/1,000,000th = 1e-6 meters which is 1/10,000th = 1e-4
centimeters. So cube these numbers to obtain the volume of a cubic
micron - 1e-18 m3, or 1e-12 cc (4x3=12)

So,

Mass = Volume * Density = 4.19e-9 cc * 1.8 g/cc = 7.54e-9 grams

So, having just one of these, to produce a kilogram of these cells
once you have the very first one requires that 132,590,824 more of
them be made.

Now since the first one took months, will it take tens of millions of
years to make that many? NO!

That's because the cell you have SELF-REPRODUCES. That means their
numbers DOUBLE IN A FIXED PERIOD.

To see the power of this lets compute the time it takes for a self
reproducing cell that copies itself in an hour.

You might figure that if one cell makes another cell in an hour and
you need 132,590,825 cells it might take 132,590,825 hours to make a
kilogram of them. Since there are 8,766 hours in a year you might
think once you have one cell you'll need 15,125 years and 6 months to
get a kilogram of cells.

That's wrong. haha - because 1 cell makes 1 cell, so now you have
two after the first hour. Then 2 cells make 2 in the next hour. Then
4 make 4. And so on. Doubling the RATE of production with each
passing hour.

Here's the right way to compute the time;

Time = Doubling Period x Number of Doubling Periods

Doubling Period = 1 hour
Number of Doubling Periods = LN(number of cells) / LN(2)
= LN(132,590,825)/LN(2) = 26.982 hours ~ 27 hours.

To get a tonne of cells starting with a 1 kg mass of them requires an
additional

= LN(1,000) / LN(2) = 9.966 hours ~ 10 hours.

To get a tonne of cells for every man woman and child on the face of
the requires an additional

= LN(7e+9)/LN(2) = 32.705 hours ~ 33 hours.

A total period of 70 hours.

So, in less than 72 hours - 3 days - of having the first practical
self-reproducing cell - a ton of them are available for every man
woman and child on Earth.

Question: Once you have them, how do you maintain control?
Especially as you're learning the system and its vulnerabilities? You
certainly don't want to learn your vulnerabilities in battle after
pointlessly attracting negative attention! That way you run the risk
of having your new tool slip from your grasp and fall into the hands
of those who have proven themselves unworthy!

Answer: Gather intelligence, take effective least effort action taken
on that intelligence, always operate in deniable ways invisible to
your targets.

What would this look like?

The bad guys get unlucky.

The good guys get lucky.

No one even thinks something else is at work. In fact, at best, the
bad guys ALWAYS blame themselves for what amounts to screw-ups.

In this way, as I grow in power and more reasonably confident in my
abilities, and as the powers that were become more embattled, I
finally take more effective open action. The danger is that in my
eagerness to do something and my inexperience with real power, I will
make a major gaffe or mistep, and turn control over to the psychopaths
who think they own me.

Even so, time IS of the essence. So, by 2015, I'll take the final
action in the ongoing war. This includes removal of all people from
Earth and the identification, arrest incarceration, and public
cybernetic trial of all those guilty of crimes against humanity and
all those who assist them and have assisted them to this point.

William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 2:50:54 PM9/26/11

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Brad,

If the Fascists were lucky we'd already be in FEMA gulags working for
the To Big to Fails at $0.25 per hour until we died.

People are waking up, systems of oppression are collapsing. Major
underground military bases have been destroyed in Washington and
Colorado with the death of 60,000 combatants. Just because you don't
see it on your controlled 6:00 News doesn't mean it ain't happening.

Warning to NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBTY4vm_gI

Action against NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8wVBIZ6dK0

Small single stage orbital device:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/40623446/Disk-Moonship-2

Which I've described previously.

In operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY

Which I've discussed previously.

Carrying a conical tungsten lance and moving at orbital velocity
(involving loss of the propulsive unit) it is possible to introduce an
object that flies up to 20 km at high speed through solid rock!

A small quantity of lithum-6 deuteride ignited by a Voitenko
compressor - crafted on the nano-scale - is capable of producing 85
kiloton blast from a handful of material - sufficient to destroy an
underground bunker up to 10 km deep.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1514.htm

These were five km deep.

Resulting in sinkholes following the attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u20Y1NYo9Bc

Brad Guth

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Sep 26, 2011, 3:01:43 PM9/26/11

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Go for , Mook. Last time I'd checked, Earth is way short on diatoms
that used to reproduce up to 4 times per day, and each diatom lived
for several days. We've kind of screwed up their environment, so an
artificial fix is badly needed.

William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 7:08:17 PM9/26/11

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On Sep 26, 3:01 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Go for ,Mook. Last time I'd checked, Earth is way short on diatoms

> that used to reproduce up to 4 times per day, and each diatom lived
> for several days. We've kind of screwed up their environment, so an
> artificial fix is badly needed.
>
> http://translate.google.com/#
> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Insects, bees, you name it. Its the geo-forming that's been going on
for 12 years now. Its one of the central reasons I've gone to New
Zealand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIUYDedsasg

That's why Bill Gates has funded the seed banks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

and Monsanto has engineered crops and insects that survive in the
converted environment

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:C8UfNPZq5ocJ:kerem.turkdizayn.com/pdfs/01_1-12_Vardaretal.pdf+aluminum+oxide+resistant+crops&hl=en&gl=nz&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjNhshKEiMvljZsrULiBaj4GOvPKivluxFN4YtAX5oVvOOrgjII-IlV8jztFEfCAwEoAdSQ731JyBsw5QggHL5ZeaplV7XgV_T2Y62jDcbLvORBVcaUnj8AEpzxoo-MCzjNO475&sig=AHIEtbQ8prVHXY9kL9GosaSwXnS41H3kUA

American

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Sep 26, 2011, 7:22:46 PM9/26/11

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On Sep 26, 10:38 am, saulle...@cox.net wrote:
> WE CAN'T KEEP THE FUCKING MEXS OUT, Sam!
>
> YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT!
>
> GOOFY WANTS HIS HEAD ON A STICK!
>
> Saul Levy
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 06:03:36 -0700 (PDT), American

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <samuelran...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Maybe its time to build a "super wall" around our border,
> >rather than cater to the needs of way too many multi-cultural
> >barbarians at the gate. Besides, anyone like their head on a stick
> >because of a territorial dispute?
>
> >American

So the useless inhabitants on our side have nothing to protect
themselves for, including documents, Constitutions, treaties, Federal
Reserve Notes, etc. Then , fine, BUILD A WALL!!!

Simple rhetoric does NOT authorize anything. PEOPLE DO.
If there is no State available to come up with the funds to
construct, then the authorities are just as much to blame as
the inhabitants. If the land is in chaos, then the people within
it are useless to protect. That is what has happened in Great
Britain, and it is spreading like wild fire across the U.S.

http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm

Take the law back by registering to vote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ-lQMUn0xw

American

"The time has come for all good men to rise against principle."

- Huey Long, 1893 - 1935

William Mook

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Sep 26, 2011, 10:17:59 PM9/26/11

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We need first the ability to produce for ourselves. Then, we can give
to others. This is the basis of all humane societies.

So, I turn to the uncontrolled frontier to create the wealth that's
needed from the resources there. This comes in the form of a self
sustaining home.

I then give homesteads to all those in need.

Flying Fusion Powered Home
http://www.scribd.com/doc/62745980/Flying-Home

I urge those who receive to pay back their debt by giving to others
they find who are in need.

I urge those whe receive from myself and others to grow their ability
to give to themselves and others by whatever creative acts they are
inspired to do.

This is a natural thing for people to do.

Gift Economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy

Accounting for the Gift Economy in a Post Industrial Age.
http://vimeo.com/29419399

William Mook

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Sep 27, 2011, 6:57:21 AM9/27/11

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Indictment of the House of Windsor and others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4FijRtAteU

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvzTMzdFcE

BDK

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Sep 27, 2011, 7:57:22 AM9/27/11

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In article <90995ec2-729e-4c1c-b6b2-
ffadb7...@dd6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

> > > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?

> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?

Wow, Mook is going to remove all the people from Earth? All by himself?

Wow, his arms are going to be awfully sore from all that "removing".

Or has he hired the Romulans to transport or maybe tractor beam them
out. Oh, where would they go to be "sorted"?

I think Mooky is nuttier than you, Guthball, and that's a real
achievement in insanity.

BDK

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Sep 27, 2011, 8:01:03 AM9/27/11

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In article <ca61bc07-66a9-4b0c-a3e0-
d1b307...@de2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, mokme...@gmail.com says...

Yes, Kooky Mooky, I'm sure the Windsors are shitting their pants over
Tarp and this hard hitting video.

And I have the Brooklyn Bridge for sale till the end of the month, with
10% off for cash...

Brad Guth

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Sep 27, 2011, 11:37:05 AM9/27/11

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On Sep 26, 11:50 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad,
>
> If the Fascists were lucky we'd already be in FEMA gulags working for
> the To Big to Fails at $0.25 per hour until we died.
>
> People are waking up, systems of oppression are collapsing. Major
> underground military bases have been destroyed in Washington and
> Colorado with the death of 60,000 combatants. Just because you don't
> see it on your controlled 6:00 News doesn't mean it ain't happening.
>
> Warning to NWOhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBTY4vm_gI
>

> Action against NWOhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8wVBIZ6dK0

>
> Small single stage orbital device: http://www.scribd.com/doc/40623446/Disk-Moonship-2
>
> Which I've described previously.
>
> In operation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY
>
> Which I've discussed previously.
>
> Carrying a conical tungsten lance and moving at orbital velocity
> (involving loss of the propulsive unit) it is possible to introduce an
> object that flies up to 20 km at high speed through solid rock!
>
> A small quantity of lithum-6 deuteride ignited by a Voitenko
> compressor - crafted on the nano-scale - is capable of producing 85
> kiloton blast from a handful of material - sufficient to destroy an
> underground bunker up to 10 km deep.
>
> http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1514.htm
>
> These were five km deep.
>

> Resulting in sinkholes following the attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u20Y1NYo9Bc

It seems millions of folks (thanks to our mutually perpetrated cold-
war) have already paid the ultimate price, and hundreds of millions
are about to follow suit. Obviously our resident ZNRs and FUD-masters
along with each of their benefactors could care less.

William Mook

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Sep 27, 2011, 8:22:21 PM9/27/11

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On Sep 27, 7:57 am, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <90995ec2-729e-4c1c-b6b2-
> ffadb72f3...@dd6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

> > Go for ,Mook. Last time I'd checked, Earth is way short on diatoms

> > that used to reproduce up to 4 times per day, and each diatom lived
> > for several days. We've kind of screwed up their environment, so an
> > artificial fix is badly needed.
>
> > http://translate.google.com/#
> > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?
>

> Wow,Mookis going to remove all the people from Earth? All by himself?

>
> Wow, his arms are going to be awfully sore from all that "removing".
>
> Or has he hired the Romulans to transport or maybe tractor beam them
> out. Oh, where would they go to be "sorted"?
>
> I think Mooky is nuttier than you, Guthball, and that's a real
> achievement in insanity.
>
> --
> BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

haha - I'm not going to do a damn thing or ask anyone to do something
for me, even if they did exist.

I'm just building the tool for the job and setting it in motion.
Period.

Anyone who works in a machine shop or with computers understands how
this works. You build a tool to get the job done automatically. You
write a routine to sort through code or data and don't pore over it
yourself.

Same here.

I've had enough of this bullshit that passes for society and
civilization. Its a piss poor job and its going to end. 'Nuff
said. I've seen enough and I can do better. So, I will.

To achieve this I've created a tool the machine cell that arranges
resources with no input of human time and attention. To make things
simple I am using resources outside the control of anyone anywhere. I
use this to take care of everyone helping them to break free of their
bondage. Then everyone is given the codes so they can take care of
themselves.

Generally speaking the machine cell operates in swarms. They're
intelligent free flying microscopic robots networked by IR laser.

The way it will look to you BDK is an automated fusion powered home
floating in the sky invisibly above your home. The home is yours
given to you free of charge by the machinery I caused to be built.

Here's my original design. You of course are free to change it once
you are given it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/62745980/Flying-Home

The way you will come to know that you have a home in the sky and how
you get to it, will vary according to your circumstance.

Living in Fortress America you will very likely see that for you,
communications systems surrounding you, are gradually eroded the day
of your removal. You'll hear of a rumor of solar flares perhaps. The
weather will be bad. Travel will be difficult. It will be a tough
day. You will go to bed early. Sleep will come quickly. You will
sleep soundly.

What will really be going on is there will be a controlled deniable
reduction of services in critical functions that lead ultimately to
inactivation of all weapons, command and control systems throughout
the world. The most secure places will have the toughest times.
Those who have committed murder of their fellows over the previous
days will have personally the toughest of times. You are likely not
one of these, so lets assume that and continue the description.

The environment will be infiltrated with all manner of microscopic
machinery - invisible to the casual observer. These will gather
important intelligence and carry out a wide range of subtle changes in
the environment throughout the world at the same time.

When you are asleep swarms of robots will enter your person and gas
you so that you sleep soundly. Others will monitor you pulse,
breathing and so forth. Then swarms with gather to lift you out of
bed.

Now the way this works is simple. Just as a controlled jet of air can
lift something and move it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkhMCCOHFmM

So too can a controlled swarming movement of invisible microscopic
self powered machine cells lift something.

At the same time you are being removed, objects that have been
observed to have been important to you over the previous year are also
carried along with you.

As you are carried out of bed, and out of your terrestrial housing
unit, you and your most valued belongings are gathered together while
microscopic machine cells swarm around you forming a controlled
environment chamber - to transport you to your flying fusion powered
home and the belongings there.

When you arrive at your home, the transport mechanism dissolves into
elemental machine cells that are absorbed seamlessly into the home,
forming a sort of airlock as you are transported through into the
home's environment.

You and your belongings are placed into this new home floating well
above the Earth. The home fires up and carries you at a constant gee
to a predetermined world - Venus, Mercury or Mars - which at this time
will have been fully terraformed. This will take between 3 and 6 days
of travel. Your friends will also be carried along with you - in
their own homes.

The home is arrayed very similarly to your terrestrial unit. Your
belongings are placed in the same configuration in which they were
found on Earth.

As far as you are concerned, you awaken from a profound sleep in your
own home surrounded by your valued belongings. You go through your
daily routine and at some point you realize something has changed. At
that point you are joined by the avatar chosen for you and your home
to assist you in getting the most out of your new home. The home is
yours and you owe nothing for it. You are free. Money as you have
known it is a thing of the past. There is your time and the quality
of your time - which is a vector. Interactions are properly described
as a tensor. You will be educated on the difference between money
economies, barter economies and gift economies. You will be shown the
difference between markets and productive emergence and how a tensor
based electronic transaction within a gift economy leads naturally to
productive emergence, while money based transactions within a market
economy leads naturally to artificial scarcity - and how the present
situation leads inevitably to this series of events.

You are also a member of a new cosmic community and to make the most
of your freedoms, you will work with your home's avatar - chosen
specifically for you to give you a sense of peace and confidence to
work at a level you can immediately grasp.

It will work a little like Kahn Academy

http://www.khanacademy.org/

The point of contact is the avatar or avatars which are really a swarm
of machine cells that move freely through your environment. They take
on any appearance and can speak and move in any way. They can even
manipulate the environment and carry out tasks that any person would
do - and are also capable of far more.

Its a step beyond Moravec's robot tree - though it has all those
capacities and then some.

So, you will be calmed by letting you know that you own and control
not only this home, but also have credit to 5 acres of land on let's
say for argument's sake - terraformed Venus - in addition to a claim
on a portion of the resources held in trust for you which you may
access to develop your property on Venus and any other you acquire
across the cosmos.

During the transport period which ranges from 3 to 6 days - you will
have training on how to operate the home and all of its tools so that
by the time you arrive at your freehold, you will direct things from
there at your pleasure.

This is true of all your friends, loved ones, relatives as well. They
will be transported along with you if they're living with you now.
They will be accessible via virtual reality link and even transport
between homes - which are all accelerating together at one gee through
space toward the same destination - using the same process that
brought everyone to their homes in the first place the previous
evening.

William Mook

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On Sep 27, 11:37 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 26, 11:50 am,WilliamMook<mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Brad,
>
> > If the Fascists were lucky we'd already be in FEMA gulags working for
> > the To Big to Fails at $0.25 per hour until we died.
>
> > People are waking up, systems of oppression are collapsing. Major
> > underground military bases have been destroyed in Washington and
> > Colorado with the death of 60,000 combatants. Just because you don't
> > see it on your controlled 6:00 News doesn't mean it ain't happening.
>
> > Warning to NWOhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBTY4vm_gI
>
> > Action against NWOhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8wVBIZ6dK0
>
> > Small single stage orbital device:http://www.scribd.com/doc/40623446/Disk-Moonship-2
>
> > Which I've described previously.
>
> > In operation:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY
>
> > Which I've discussed previously.
>
> > Carrying a conical tungsten lance and moving at orbital velocity
> > (involving loss of the propulsive unit) it is possible to introduce an
> > object that flies up to 20 km at high speed through solid rock!
>
> > A small quantity of lithum-6 deuteride ignited by a Voitenko
> > compressor - crafted on the nano-scale - is capable of producing 85
> > kiloton blast from a handful of material - sufficient to destroy an
> > underground bunker up to 10 km deep.
>
> >http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1514.htm
>
> > These were five km deep.
>

> > Resulting in sinkholes following the attack.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u20Y1NYo9Bc

>
> It seems millions of folks (thanks to our mutually perpetrated cold-
> war) have already paid the ultimate price, and hundreds of millions
> are about to follow suit. Obviously our resident ZNRs and FUD-masters
> along with each of their benefactors could care less.
>
> http://translate.google.com/#
> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

The battle is ongoing. Free humanity will prevail and those who seek
to keep us in chains will be removed from us.

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Sep 28, 2011, 4:46:32 AM9/28/11

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On Sep 27, 11:21 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <9c398bdb-06b9-408d-ab00-6da477c67ab0@

> 20g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...

>
>
>
> > BDK, you fail to take from this video the lesson intended. Namely,
> > the same thing the Windsor's did in Zulu Kingdom after the Zulu Wars
> > they'll do to America over the next few years. Their goal is
> > population reduction. That has been the case since the 1790s.
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wow Mooky, you're really kOOkY.
>
> --
> BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96aKT04chI

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free.

-Johann Wolfgang von Goeth

HVAC

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Sep 28, 2011, 6:00:35 AM9/28/11

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On 9/28/2011 4:46 AM, William Mook wrote:
>
>>
>> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wow Mooky, you're really kOOkY.
>>
>> --
>> BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96aKT04chI
>
> None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
> are free.

"Freedom is a state of mind, not a condition" -HVAC

--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

William Mook

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Sep 28, 2011, 4:57:38 PM9/28/11

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I get the impression that your real name is Jane C and you work for
CENCOM.

William Mook

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Sep 28, 2011, 4:55:55 PM9/28/11

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On Sep 28, 6:00 am, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/28/2011 4:46 AM,WilliamMookwrote:

Certain conditions are more conducive to achieving Freedom than
others. Those who bring about and maintain conditions of Freedom are
rightly called liberators. This is a worthy thing and something I am
glad to do.

HVAC

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Sep 28, 2011, 7:20:15 PM9/28/11

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On 9/28/2011 4:55 PM, William Mook wrote:
>
>>
>>> None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
>>> are free.
>>
>> "Freedom is a state of mind, not a condition" -HVAC
>>
>> --
>>
>

> Certain conditions are more conducive to achieving Freedom than
> others. Those who bring about and maintain conditions of Freedom are
> rightly called liberators. This is a worthy thing and something I am
> glad to do.
>

"Freedom is a state of mind, not a condition" -HVAC

That just popped off the top of my head, but on
reflection I really like it. It sings.

William Mook

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Sep 30, 2011, 5:21:54 PM9/30/11

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On Sep 28, 7:20 pm, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/28/2011 4:55 PM,WilliamMookwrote:

True.

Brad Guth

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Oct 22, 2011, 1:08:05 AM10/22/11

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I'm not at all certain if humanity as we know it will survive the next
thousand years, because who exactly can we trust?

What another totally predictable joke, as well as pathetic.

“NASA has begun drafting guidelines to protect the Apollo 11 and
Apollo 17 landing sites, listing them as off-limits, and including
ground-travel buffers and no-fly zones to avoid spraying rocket
exhaust or dust onto aging, but historic, equipment.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44994619/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.TqI99WH-UY0
According to all of those NASA/Apollo era Kodak moments, that were
sufficiently rad-hard and immune to extreme thermal trauma, whereas
not even their own landing retro-thrust directly applied as their
purely fly-by-rocket controlled down-range and otherwise applied as
directly under each and every lander for several seconds prior to
their soft touchdowns, and yet somehow having never managed to
dislodge or blow away any significant volume of that crystal dry moon
with its oddly monochromatic pastel gray dust that always clumped
perfectly for terrific surface tension. In fact, none of the
physically dark basalt bedrock of the moon was ever exposed.

So, do tell, as in our supposedly trustworthy NASA needs to start
sharing as to how the hell any observational flyover, that’ll likely
be a km or higher off the deck, going to possibly disturb any of our
precious Apollo squat?

Just because most if not all of it was robotic, with no outward signs
of human activity, is really not a very good enough reason to keep
hiding the truth by way of heaping one excuse after another as to why
no another soul can be allowed to get anywhere near those landing
sites.

William Mook

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Oct 22, 2011, 3:34:27 AM10/22/11

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The Japanese have flown over the Apollo sites - which show - surprise!
- the Apollo sites everyone expected to see;

http://www.universetoday.com/15579/japanese-selene-kaguya-lunar-mission-spots-apollo-15-landing-site-images/

Now, if NASA is acting like it doesn't want sites to be photographed,
maybe they're engaging in a psyop to direct the emerging space faring
nations toward the Apollo sites?

William Mook

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Oct 22, 2011, 4:14:22 AM10/22/11

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Oct 23, 2011, 10:09:04 AM10/23/11

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We're being raped today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJko-mP6w

With respect to your comment about Venus being visible, I think I
mentioned to you that the F-stop setting needed not to over-expose the
lunar surface makes the stars, and Venus invisible. I did this
calculation for you ten years ago. Do I need to do it again? How can
you forget?

Check out #10 HOW BRIGHT ARE NATURAL LIGHT SOURCES?

Maximum Brightness of Venus
-4.3 Stellar Magnitude = 1.4e-4 Lumens

Full Moon Overhead (at night on Earth!!)
-12.5 Stellar Magnitude = 0.267 Lumens

Full Daylight (not in direct sun)
-24 Stellar Magnitude = 10,000 Lumens

Direct Sunlight
-26.7 Stellar Magnitude = 130,000 Lumens

Brad! The light REFLECTED BY THE MOON TO EARTH is 2,500 TIMES AS
BRIGHT AS VENUS! A camera adjusted to take a picture of the moon
from Earth that wasn't over-exposed does not see any stars - including
Venus. Images that show the moon surrounded by stars are
photoshopped. They take the picture without the moon, and then a
picture of the moon, and put the two together.

Go out on a dark night and try to take a picture of the moon that is
not over-exposed that also shows stars.

YOU CAN'T DO IT!

If you do post it and let me know.

Now, if you can't take a picture of Venus and the moon at the same
time with the same camera and the same exposure, you can't do it on
the moon.

Because when you're on the moon its brighter! 10 MILLION TIMES
BRIGHTER!!

Now, there are no clouds on the moon, and the dark soils of the moon,
like dark Earth without vegetation for those who farm, or dark sands
on the beach of Tahiti, look pretty bright when that's all there is to
see.

The photometry of all the orbiting spacecraft is consistent with the
pictures brought back by Apollo.

As they used to say in Kentucky when I was a boy - That dawg won't
hunt son!

Brad Guth

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Oct 23, 2011, 2:58:58 PM10/23/11

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On Oct 23, 7:09 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We're being raped todayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJko-mP6w

Your total lack of understanding Kodak film dynamic range(DR) and the
quality optics involved is noted, as is your inability to deductively
interpret any image because you obviously do not have that expertise.

Venus reflects at better than twice or nearly three fold that of
Earth, and it most certainly wasn't an optically small target to the
extremely fine grain of that Kodak film. You can not use the whole
Earth or whole moon area as reflected solar illumination overwhelming
against those fewer pixels or film grains of Venus, because that’s
clearly an obvious case of LLPOF physics and science cheating (aka
intentional obfuscation). Also, the average surface albedo of our
whole physically dark moon being at 7% and otherwise by rights should
have kept looking as somewhat darker because of their polarized
optical element that was utilized, kind of adds further insult to
injury. In other words, this time you can't get away with your usual
bipolar and/or conditional physics excuses forever, by pretending that
you actually know something from direct experience and personal
expertise, because clearly you do not know squat, and no wonder you
are totally worthless in observationology because, you know even less
about SAR imaging.

You clearly do not know squat about traditional photography, much less
knowing anything about that Kodak film. Since you are totally
unqualified is why anything you have to say is clearly another sign of
your bogus ID and pretty much covering most of everything else you've
had to offer as being at risk of disclosing exactly what a FUD-master
is paid to do.

I don't want to seem ungrateful, but this time you are simply
overflowing with butt-loads of mainstream status-quo disinformation.
You have gotten yourself so far off the mark that even dysfunctional
5th graders can tell.

Brad Guth

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Oct 23, 2011, 3:29:22 PM10/23/11

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On Oct 23, 7:09 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We're being raped todayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJko-mP6w

Once again with extra feedback:

Your total lack of understanding Kodak film dynamic range(DR) and

failing to appreciate the high quality of optics involved is noted, as

is your inability to deductively interpret any image because you

obviously do not have that expertise, much less any truest for anyone
other than yourself.

Venus reflects at better than twice or actually offers nearly three
fold that of Earth because Venus gets to start off with 2650 w/m2, and

it most certainly wasn't an optically small target to the extremely
fine grain of that Kodak film. You can not use the whole Earth or
whole moon area as reflected solar illumination overwhelming against
those fewer pixels or film grains of Venus, because that’s clearly an
obvious case of LLPOF physics and science cheating (aka intentional
obfuscation). Also, the average surface albedo of our whole
physically dark moon being at 7% and otherwise by rights should have
kept looking as somewhat darker because of their polarized optical
element that was utilized, kind of adds further insult to injury. In
other words, this time you can't get away with your usual bipolar and/
or conditional physics excuses forever, by pretending that you
actually know something from direct experience and personal expertise,
because clearly you do not know squat, and no wonder you are totally
worthless in observationology because, you know even less about SAR
imaging.

You clearly do not know squat about traditional photography, much less
knowing anything about that Kodak film. Since you are totally
unqualified is why anything you have to say is clearly another sign of
your bogus ID and pretty much covering most of everything else you've

had to offer as being at risk of disclosing exactly what a certified

FUD-master is paid to do.

I don't want to seem ungrateful, but this time you are simply
overflowing with butt-loads of mainstream status-quo disinformation

and systematic obfuscatiion, because you’ve just demonstrated a total
lack any photographic skills which has to include direct and indirect
illumination issues as well as color/hue sensitivity (including B&W
recorded images) that’s entirely different for that film than what a
human eye interprets. This time you have gotten yourself so far off

the mark that even dysfunctional 5th graders can tell.

Have you even owned a traditional film camera, and if so would you
care to share copies of some of your best work?

BTW; any camera with its supposedly rad-hard film or thermally
stabilized CCD imager that can manage to record the darkest surface or
ocean areas of Earth along with any part of our physically dark lunar
surface within the same FOV, can’t possibly not manage to record the
likes of Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Venus and Mercury, nor even avoid the
likes of Sirius unless a sufficiently narrow bandpass optical filter
were utilized.

Brad Guth

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Oct 23, 2011, 4:01:26 PM10/23/11

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On Oct 23, 7:09 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We're being raped todayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJko-mP6w

Here's one more time, for the revised record:
Your total lack of understanding Kodak film dynamic range(DR) plus

failing to appreciate the high quality of optics involved is noted, as

is your inability to deductively interpret any image because, you
obviously do not have that expertise, much less any trust for anyone

other than yourself.

Venus reflects at better than twice or actually offers nearly three
fold that of Earth because Venus gets to start off with 2650 w/m2, and
it most certainly wasn't an optically small target to the extremely
fine grain of that Kodak film. You can not use the whole Earth or

whole moon area as reflected solar illumination as overwhelming

against those fewer pixels or film grains of Venus, because that’s

clearly an obvious case of LLPOF condition physics and science

cheating (aka intentional obfuscation). Also, the average surface
albedo of our whole physically dark moon being at 7% and otherwise by
rights should have kept looking as somewhat darker because of their
polarized optical element that was utilized, kind of adds further
insult to injury. In other words, this time you can't get away with

your usual bipolar smarts and/or conditional physics excuses forever,

by pretending that you actually know something from direct experience
and personal expertise, because clearly you do not know squat, and no
wonder you are totally worthless in observationology because, you know
even less about SAR imaging.

You clearly do not know squat about traditional photography, much less
knowing anything about that Kodak film. Since you are totally
unqualified is why anything you have to say is clearly another sign of
your bogus ID and pretty much covering most of everything else you've

had to offer, as being at risk of disclosing exactly what a certified
FUD-master is paid to do. No wonder your actions demonstrate that you
can afford to care less about others.

I don't want to seem entirely ungrateful, but this time you are simply

overflowing with butt-loads of mainstream status-quo disinformation

and systematic obfuscation, because you’ve just demonstrated a total

lack any photographic skills which has to include direct and indirect
illumination issues as well as color/hue sensitivity (including B&W
recorded images) that’s entirely different for that film than what a
human eye interprets. This time you have gotten yourself so far off
the mark that even dysfunctional 5th graders can tell.

Have you even owned a traditional film camera, and if so would you
care to share copies of some of your best work?

BTW; any camera with its supposedly rad-hard film or thermally
stabilized CCD imager that can manage to record the darkest surface or
ocean areas of Earth along with any part of our physically dark lunar
surface within the same FOV, can’t possibly not manage to record the
likes of Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Venus and Mercury, nor even avoid the
likes of Sirius unless a sufficiently narrow bandpass optical filter
were utilized.

Other than the 8+r of ionized sodium vapor surrounding our physically
dark moon, it was a relatively naked environment and thus able to see
everything so much clearer and sharper, as well as the full gauntlet
of solar UV wasn’t getting filtered out or causing any weird
atmospheric issues because supposedly there was hardly any atmosphere
to interact with which could only make their surrounding terrain and
themselves extremely contrasty, as well as having hardly if any
electrostatic issues, and that moon soil/dust gave everything such
terrific clumping as nifty surface tension to literally boot. Also,
the moonsuit water cooling via sublime/evaporation (liquid to vapor
phase changing) that exited from around their boots never once kicked
up or bothered any speck of dust nor having caused any reactions
whatsoever. Obviously you do not have any problems with believing
each and every NASA/Apollo word on absolutely anything, so that they
must have been the one and only fully trustworthy government agency on
Earth that essentially disbanded and tossed away most of our public
funded R&D as well as having lost tract of much of their original
science (including how to make another Saturn-V or any fly-by-rocket
landers), and yet they’re coming absolutely unglued about getting one
messily camera back that was supposed to get discarded anyway.

Gee whiz, it’s almost as though they still have lots to hide. Good
thing that your selective bipolarism works for you, as kind of on
demand obfuscation.

Brad Guth

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Oct 23, 2011, 6:16:50 PM10/23/11

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On Sep 26, 8:36 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 8:17 am, Intrepid <Intrepid...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > <
> > Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> started this very interesting thread on
> > July 30 and it's now approaching a thousand replies.
> > <
> > HEADER:
> > Guth Venus / Brad Guth and the geothermal planet (5 Gold Star Rating
> > *****)
> > <
> > If you don't mind, I'd like to add this one-liner
> > <http://www.edconrad.org
> > <
> > I also happen to have another pretty good one-liner to throw at you
> > but I'll think it;d be best if I post it later today as A Thought for
> > Tomorrow
> > <
> > ( ifiFaaaNYONE WHANYONE WHO IS HaNYONE WHHowrver, if you're having
> > surgery tomorrow, it's perfectly okay to read it today.)
> > <http://www.edconrad.com
> > <http://204.74.214.194/forum1/message1596708/pg1
>
> Apparently mainstream science simply isn't ready for your "man of
> coal" or that of intelligent other life on Venus. Perhaps we need to
> waste another century and survive another world war before those in
> charge and their faith-based pretenders give any tinkers damn about
> the rest of us.
>
> In the news we have our NASA and their mainstream media hype of
> supposedly peer approved infomercials, pertaining to numerous
> exoplanets that the next 100 generations from now will never set any
> probe into orbit or much less get any naked Goldilocks foot upon.
> However, perhaps the seemingly newish Venus was once an exoplanet of
> Sirius(B), and right now it’s passing us within 100 LD every 19
> months, as well as having been more tidal locked to us than to the
> sun. At least at the rate exoplanets are getting discovered seems to
> suggest there’s going to be a lot more of those than stars, and star
> can’t forever hold onto their planets.
>
> Never the less and even if Venus is an original of our solar system,
> has anyone here got any better ideas, notions or deductive swags as to
> what that extremely large clover shaped reservoir is all about?
>
> Even as a conservative interpretation, it seems rather enormous but
> kind of perfectly natural, including that other conventional reservoir
> above it that’s containing something fluid and is connected. However,
> as far as anyone knows, there’s not one other terrestrial example or
> that obtained from any other planet or moon as offering anything
> nearly as geologically terrain and erosion complex and impressive, so
> what the hell gives?
>
> BTW; just for amusing yourself and others being a good investigative
> sport, this ongoing investigative effort is to see if anyone else can
> manage to deductively interpret anything the least bit unusual within
> the following image that doesn’t quite look as though the natural laws
> of physics and geology was entirely responsible. (try to remember that
> the original image is that of a radar obtained composite of 36
> confirming looks or scans per pixel, obtained at a FOV down angle of
> 43 degrees, so its interpretation can be nearly 3D worthy). If you’re
> a devout Zionist, Jewish or otherwise a pretend-Atheist diehard that’s
> totally stumped or dumbfounded, then turn this observationology
> request over to a bunch of 5th graders as a class science project.
>
> Lava channels, Lo Shen Valles, Venus from Magellan Cycle 1
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/mgn_c115s095_1.html
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/hires/mgn_c115s095_1.gif
> “Guth Venus”, at 10x resample/enlargement of the area in question:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5630418595926178146
> https://picasaweb.google.com/bradguth/BradGuth#5629579402364691314
> Brad Guth / Blog and my Google document pages:
> http://groups.google.com/group/guth-usenet?hl=en
> http://bradguth.blogspot.com/
> http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddsdxhv_0hrm5bdfj

> http://translate.google.com/#
> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Obviously our wise old William Mook and most others (including our
DARPA and NASA) still do not have any working fly-by-rocket capability
as their prototype man-rated lander based upon that primitive Apollo
era technology, and yet most have chosen to 100% believe each and
every last word of those with all the “right stuff” as working always
behind closed doors while having supposedly told us only the whole
truth and nothing but the truth (perhaps some day that could actually
happen). And yet they as well as you still can not answer any of my
serious questions. Gee whiz, you'd think they and especially yourself
could at least get Kodak to authenticate via independent forensics as
to their own damn film that supposedly never once recorded any X-ray
or gamma hits, as well couldn’t record any UV secondary/recoil photons
and was also immune to whatever thermal extremes. (modern CCDs having
to be well shielded, optically bandpass filtered, thermally regulated
within a narrow range and always having each frame cleared prior to
whatever optical exposure in order to alleviate those pesky issues
plus avoiding whatever stray X-ray and gamma hits)

BTW; with such terrific Kodak dynamic range (as clearly demonstrated
by way of their own pictures that supposedly required no extra shadow
fill-in lighting) and using nothing but the very best camera optics on
Earth, and yet how the hell did they manage to always exclude or hide
the extremely nearby and always vibrant planet Venus?

Why was their Apollo moon always looking so unusually eroded, as a
rolling soft terrain and only that of a pastel off-white as well as
kept so nicely UV inert for as far as their unfiltered cameras could
see?

Are there any such locations of extensive lunar terrain reflecting
above 0.5 albedo as having been independent astronomy recorded, much
less of their .65+ up to 0.75 albedo required for most of those Apollo
landing sites? (our full moon averaging at .07 doesn’t exactly suggest
that it’s on average very reflective, but then obviously we outsiders
don’t have the same “right stuff”.

You do realize that a fully earthshine illuminated moon is getting 50+
fold better illuminated than Earth ever gets from moonshine. So, why
not go with a whole lot less contrasty and way less glare prone
mission, not to mention considerably cooler as well as their having
considerably less X-ray dosage (though roughly stuck with the same
gamma dosage)?

What about all of that surrounding ionized sodium they’d somehow
entirely missed out on?

Are you saying that such a considerable surround of ionized molecular
sodium vapor came from someplace other than the moon itself?

Have you actually looked at any of those Apollo mission images,

including their own metric mapping that doesn't seem to offer the
likes of soft eroded and pastel light-gray terrain, looking as

anything obtained from that unusually smooth, light pastel gray and UV

inert surface via those Apollo landings?

What the hell ever happened to all those physically dark, paramagnetic

basalt and multiple minerals of its metallicity bedrock and meteor/
asteroid deposits that should have existed as razor sharp and
physically dark?

Are you suggesting our naked moon is actually covered with a layer of
guano that only looks dark and measurably having such a deficient
albedo when viewed from Earth or even from orbit?

The JAXA version from their initial camera format was rather correctly
bluish from all of that UV reactive amount of secondary/recoil moon
light, because at least at first they kind of forgot to optically
narrow bandpass filter it and/or didn’t bother to subsequently
PhotoShop the blue out. Shame on them, though at least they returned
good science of the moon plasmasphere.
http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/en/communication/com_information_e.htm#NEW_20071214A
http://www.jaxa.jp/topics/2007/img/topics_20071031_e.pdf
Those initial bluish images are stacked half way down the page.

Here’s those somewhat more natural mineral/metallicity color images as
having been properly PhotoShop filtered in order to remove that pesky
UV secondary/recoil of such a bluish tint.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_Galileo.html

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/Press_release_01.html#15th
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_03.html

And only because I'm always such a nice guy, we have this following
contribution by our very own "kT"

"Japan First Back To The Moon!" / kT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/f38a85929879b6a0
I believe that topic intro is absolutely right on the money, at least
Japan being of the first other than Russian or those of our various
lunar orbital missions, however China is not exactly sitting on their
extremely wise old butts, are they.

Here's the latest HDTV images, except having those moon surface
saturations of somewhat badly skewed color fully removed. In other
words, our moon is getting depicted as entirely color blocked, as
artificially limited to gray-scale, and otherwise only Earth is
getting artificially accommodated in full living color.
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/20071113_kaguya_e.html
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/img/20071113_kaguya_01l.jpg
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/img/20071113_kaguya_02l.jpg

Here's those unfiltered original images of their off-color saturation
imposed tint, via all of that pesky secondary or recoil worth of such
a bluish/violet hue look-see at our naked moon (images 01 ~ 13 are
kind of true blue moon):
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/img/20071021_kaguya_01.jpg
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/img/20071021_kaguya_03.jpg
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/img/20071021_kaguya_05.jpg
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/img/20071021_kaguya_10.jpg
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/img/20071021_kaguya_11.jpg
You don’t seriously think that they’d intentionally put a purple
filter in front of that lens, do you?

Besides the matter of JAXA/NHK having only turned on their HDTV color
pixels as for accommodating those color pixels of Earth (by adjusting
your gamma to 4x alone gives us that sort of proof, or otherwise by
simply replacing their image black with most any other color), though
it's still every bit worth an as-is look-see for taking notice as to
how extremely dark and otherwise somewhat of an average coal like 0.11
albedo or actually
of a slightly sooty darker kind of dusty deep soft lunar terrain of
such minimal albedo, meaning that it's very poorly reflective of the
visible spectrum, as otherwise correctly representing that which our
extremely cosmic dusty and electrostatic charged moon really is, as
well as for having been so clearly HVTV imaged w/o those pesky color
saturations except for their accommodating within the very same HDTV
FOV as hosting a very colorful Earth, as having been illuminated by
the very same raw solar spectrum that has unavoidably skewed the moon
itself by the unfiltered and subsequent excess amounts of those violet
and UV photons, of which CCDs are by rights extremely sensitive to.

Now then, and I'm quite honestly serious about this next part; do we
see anything of that naked lunar terrain that's looking as though
being the least bit NASA/Apollo (65%~75% reflective) 0.65~0.075 albedo
worthy, looking as though much like a certain guano island as having
been xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated and otherwise physically
modified in order to suit their supposed pastel gray moon look, and
thereby spinning everything rather nicely on behalf of those hocus-
pocus Apollo landings? (that’s kind of a silly loaded question, as I
didn't think so)

Now try to further imagine how much brighter than Earth those little
violet color skewed pixels worth of Venus are going to look. Actually,
with the HDTV's far better than Kodak film DR(dynamic range) is why
the likes of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn should also become part of those
future JAXA/KAGUYA(SELENE) obtained images, along with a few of those
most bright of background stars such as Sirius, that is unless having
been intentionally spectrum filtered out or subsequently PhotoShop
removed.

With using a proper optical spectrum filter (of which KAGUYA may not
have had to work with) is where we'll get to see the true deep golden
brownish color of our moon, along with certain other raw secondary/
recoil photons of those cosmic and local deposited mineral elements
which should become downright interesting, even though color skewed
unless illuminated via the extremely bluish earthshine because,
there's such a great deal of secondary/recoil UV that'll always tend
to saturate most everything into giving us that somewhat purple/bluish
or violet hue or weird tint.

And to further rethink that there should be much more of truth to come
via JAXA/KAGUYA(SELENE) once those full color spectrum images of the
moon have been properly adjusted for allowing their more natural
mineral color/hue saturations, plus those other instruments start
reporting their new science data, as well as from whatever China can
uncover and share is just around the very next corner.
--

Are we still having to accept that the physics and science of
photographic contrast and color/hue saturation simply doesn't apply
here?

Did our sun somehow manage to stop producing UV for each of those
Apollo missions?

Did the absolutely vibrant and bluish earthshine also get turned off?

Of course our Mook has openly admitted as to having absolutely no
observationology skills, expertise or any way of otherwise deductively
interpreting or comparing one image of anything from any other, so
other than having blindly and totally dumbfounded accepted everything
as to whatever the cloak and dagger mainstream status-quo of our
mutually perpetrated cold-war era has to say about our moon, you can't
even be the least bit certain any of those unfiltered Kodak moments

were ever obtained from that naked lunar surface to begin with.

How is it that some government agencies that force everyone to sign a
strictly enforced nondisclosure contract can be explicitly trusted,
and otherwise most other government agencies can’t be trusted as far
as anyone can safely spit into the wind?

Do try to remember that I’ve never stipulated that some portions of
our Apollo mission stuff didn’t make it to that surface, because
technically that capability had existed for accommodating one-way but
only somewhat controlled soft landings.

How is it that all of those NASA/Apollo mission photos via those
unfiltered Kodak moments that even Kodak will not forensic
authenticate as supposedly 100% truthworthy, and yet those of the NASA/
Magellan mission looking at Venus still can’t be trusted?

Why yes indeed, it seems as though they totally screwed us and did a
really good job of covered their butts at the same time. The entire
mutually perpetrated cold-war that was public-funded as well as bogus
as WMD and otherwise very profitable for those above the top 0.1%, so

they and those Russian oligarchs obviously dumbfounded and snookered

us and perhaps especially yourself beyond the point of no return.

Even their LRO mission can't reconcile the relative mineral or

metallicity darkness of that paramagnetic basalt moon with what those

Apollo missions and their Kodak film reported.

Perhaps next time when they actually set foot on that naked moon is
when they'll return only after having placed enduring infrastructure
and interactive science that we can all learn and grow from.

Meanwhile the best science remains as remote via orbit, because thus
far everything placed on that surface has been inert and otherwise
passive.

Do you have any fly-by-rocket lander of that technology era that
actually works?

Do you or can anyone not at LLPOF risk, have direct access to any of
their original raw data?

Can you or anyone explain how Venus was always kept so invisible from
lunar orbit as well as from any FOV including that physically dark and
paramagnetic basalt surface?

It seems the mainstream status-quo isn’t required to know how analog
film works, any more so than understanding how camera optics work, or
how contrasty that physically dark lunar environment had to work, not
to mention its thermal extremes as well as for the unavoidable local,
solar and cosmic radiation that had to have been recorded by all (each
and every mm2) of their Kodak film.

Another totally predictable joke, as well as pathetic:

“NASA has begun drafting guidelines to protect the Apollo 11 and
Apollo 17 landing sites, listing them as off-limits, and including
ground-travel buffers and no-fly zones to avoid spraying rocket
exhaust or dust onto aging, but historic, equipment.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44994619/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.TqI99WH-UY0
According to all of those NASA/Apollo era Kodak moments, that were
sufficiently rad-hard and immune to extreme thermal trauma, whereas
not even their own landing retro-thrust directly applied as their
purely fly-by-rocket controlled down-range and otherwise applied as
directly under each and every lander for several seconds prior to
their soft touchdowns, and yet somehow having never managed to
dislodge or blow away any significant volume of that crystal dry moon
with its oddly monochromatic pastel gray dust that always clumped
perfectly for terrific surface tension. In fact, none of the
physically dark basalt bedrock of the moon was ever exposed.

So, do tell, as in our supposedly trustworthy NASA needs to start
sharing as to how the hell any observational flyover, that’ll likely

be a km or higher off the deck, is going to possibly disturb any of

our precious Apollo squat?

Just because most if not all of it was robotic, with no outward signs
of human activity, is really not a very good enough reason to keep
hiding the truth by way of heaping one excuse after another as to why
no another soul or their technology can be allowed to get anywhere
near those abandoned landing sites.

From the physically dark lunar surface, the Earth is obviously
appearing as way bigger than the sun, and its vibrant bluish tint/hue
plus IR can’t be so immeasurable as suggested by all things NASA/
Apollo. So, why would all handheld as well as tripod situated cameras
be configured so as to always exclude anything other than the moon?

Was there always something obscuring any FOV including the planet
Venus?

At least there are a few independently honest folks doing the right
thing, by preparing for the near future that’s taking at least some of
us off-world. Of course only they get to use their true ID, whereas
most others here as ZNR certified redneck FUD-masters that are usually
devout Semites or some other faith-based cloaked as Atheists and
politically independent, seldom if ever use their true Ids, and yet
not one soul of their kind is ever caught policing a damn thing of
their own kind. It’s a wonder we’re not deep into WW3.

Bigelow Poofs and China could establish a moon base in record time:
http://www.space.com/13331-china-space-race-moon-ownership-bigelow-ispcs.html

Here's one more better jab, for the revised record:

Your total lack of understanding Kodak film dynamic range(DR) plus
failing to appreciate the high quality of optics involved is noted, as
is your inability to deductively interpret any image because, you
obviously do not have that expertise, much less any trust for anyone
other than yourself.

Venus reflects at better than twice or actually offers nearly three
fold that of Earth because Venus gets to start off with 2650 w/m2, and

it most certainly wasn't an optically small point-source target to the
extremely fine grain of that Kodak film. You simply can not use the

whole Earth or whole moon area as reflected solar illumination as

justified overwhelming against those fewer pixels or film grains of

Venus, because that’s clearly an obvious case of LLPOF condition
physics and science cheating (aka intentional obfuscation). Also, the
average surface albedo of our whole physically dark moon being

accepted as 7% and otherwise by rights should have kept looking as

somewhat darker because of their polarized optical element that was
utilized, kind of adds further insult to injury. In other words, this
time you can't get away with your usual bipolar smarts and/or
conditional physics excuses forever, by pretending that you actually
know something from direct experience and personal expertise, because

clearly you do not know photographic squat, and no wonder you are

totally worthless in observationology because, you know even less
about SAR imaging.

You clearly do not know squat about traditional photography, much less
knowing anything about that Kodak film. Since you are totally
unqualified is why anything you have to say is clearly another sign of
your bogus ID and pretty much covering most of everything else you've
had to offer, as being at risk of disclosing exactly what a certified
FUD-master is paid to do. No wonder your actions demonstrate that you
can afford to care less about others.

I don't want to seem entirely ungrateful, but this time you are simply

overflowing yourself with butt-loads of mainstream status-quo

Notice those nifty mineral/metallicity colors of our moon: (why of
course you don’t)
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/compound-eye/2011/10/22/the-amazing-space-photos-of-ron-garan/
Did you by any chance notice them pesky stars over that nighttime
view of Earth and its greenish layer of atmosphere: (why of course you
don’t)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/116214152295449083654/photos/photo/5649904389172460674

Brad Guth

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On Oct 23, 7:09 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We're being raped todayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJko-mP6w

Obviously our wise old William Mook and most others (including our
DARPA and NASA) still do not have any working fly-by-rocket capability
as their prototype man-rated lander based upon that primitive Apollo

era technology, and yet most folks have chosen to 100% believe each

and every last word of those with all the “right stuff” as working
always behind closed doors while having supposedly told us only the

whole truth and nothing but the truth (you never know, perhaps some

day that could actually happen). And yet they as well as you still
can not answer any of my serious questions.

Gee whiz, you'd think they and especially yourself could at least get
Kodak to authenticate via independent forensics as to their own damn
film that supposedly never once recorded any X-ray or gamma hits, as
well couldn’t record any UV secondary/recoil photons and was also
immune to whatever thermal extremes. (modern CCDs having to be well
shielded, optically bandpass filtered, thermally regulated within a
narrow range and always having each frame cleared prior to whatever
optical exposure in order to alleviate those pesky issues plus
avoiding whatever stray X-ray and gamma hits)

BTW; with such terrific Kodak dynamic range (as clearly demonstrated
by way of their own pictures that supposedly required no extra shadow
fill-in lighting) and using nothing but the very best camera optics on
Earth, and yet how the hell did they manage to always exclude or hide

the extremely nearby and always vibrant planet Venus?

Why was their Apollo moon always looking so unusually eroded and/or
weathered, as a rolling soft terrain and only offering that of a
pastel off-white as well as kept so nicely UV inert for as far as

their unfiltered cameras could see?

How the hell did most all of their local contrast get essentially
eliminated?

Are there any such locations of extensive lunar terrain reflecting
above 0.5 albedo as having been independent astronomy recorded, much
less of their .65+ up to 0.75 albedo required for most of those Apollo
landing sites? (our full moon averaging at .07 doesn’t exactly suggest
that it’s on average very reflective, but then obviously we outsiders
don’t have the same “right stuff”.

You do realize that a fully earthshine illuminated moon is getting 50+
fold better illuminated than Earth ever gets from any similar phase of
moonshine. So, why not go with a whole lot less contrasty and way

less glare prone mission, not to mention considerably cooler as well

as their having considerably less X-ray dosage (though roughly stuck
with the same gamma dosage)?

What about all of that surrounding ionized sodium they’d somehow
entirely missed out on?

Are you saying that such a considerable surround of ionized molecular

sodium vapor came on later and from someplace other than the moon

itself?

Have you actually looked at any of those Apollo mission images,

including their own metric mapping that doesn't seem to offer the
likes of soft eroded and pastel light-gray terrain, looking as

anything obtained from that unusually smooth, light pastel gray and UV

inert surface via those Apollo landings?

What the hell ever happened to all those physically dark, paramagnetic

basalt and multiple minerals of its metallicity bedrock and meteor/
asteroid deposits that should have existed as razor sharp and
physically dark?

Are you suggesting our naked moon is actually covered with a pastel

layer of guano that only looks dark and measurably having such a
deficient albedo when viewed from Earth or even from orbit?

The JAXA version from their initial camera format was rather correctly
bluish from all of that UV reactive amount of secondary/recoil moon
light, because at least at first they kind of forgot to optically
narrow bandpass filter it and/or didn’t bother to subsequently

PhotoShop the blue saturation out. Shame on them, though at least
they returned good science of the moon plasmasphere that our NASA/
Apollo team entirely missed.

http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/en/communication/com_information_e.htm#NEW_20071214A
http://www.jaxa.jp/topics/2007/img/topics_20071031_e.pdf
Those initial bluish images are stacked half way down the page.

Here’s those somewhat more natural mineral/metallicity color images as
having been properly PhotoShop filtered in order to remove that pesky
UV secondary/recoil of such a bluish tint.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_Galileo.html

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/Press_release_01.html#15th
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_03.html

And only because I'm always such a nice guy, we have this following
contribution by our very own "kT"

"Japan First Back To The Moon!" / kT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/f38a85929879b6a0
I believe that topic intro is absolutely right on the money, at least
Japan being of the first other than Russian or those of our various
lunar orbital missions, however China is not exactly sitting on their
extremely wise old butts, are they.

Here's the latest HDTV images, except having those moon surface
saturations of somewhat badly skewed color fully removed. In other
words, our moon is getting depicted as entirely color blocked, as

having been artificially limited to gray-scale, and otherwise only

You don’t seriously think that they’d screwed up or having

photographic contrast and color/hue saturation simply doesn't apply
here?

Did our sun somehow manage to stop producing UV for each of those
Apollo missions?

Did the absolutely vibrant and bluish earthshine also get turned off?

Of course our Mook has openly admitted as to having absolutely no
observationology skills, expertise or any way of otherwise deductively
interpreting or comparing one image of anything from any other, so
other than having blindly and totally dumbfounded accepted everything
as to whatever the cloak and dagger mainstream status-quo of our

mutually perpetrated cold-war era has to say about our moon, you can't
even be the least bit certain any of those unfiltered Kodak moments

were ever obtained from that naked lunar surface to begin with.

Another totally predictable joke, as well as pathetic:

“NASA has begun drafting guidelines to protect the Apollo 11 and
Apollo 17 landing sites, listing them as off-limits, and including
ground-travel buffers and no-fly zones to avoid spraying rocket
exhaust or dust onto aging, but historic, equipment.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44994619/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.TqI99WH-UY0
According to all of those NASA/Apollo era Kodak moments, that were
sufficiently rad-hard and immune to extreme thermal trauma, whereas
not even their own landing retro-thrust directly applied as their
purely fly-by-rocket controlled down-range and otherwise applied as
directly under each and every lander for several seconds prior to
their soft touchdowns, and yet somehow having never managed to
dislodge or blow away any significant volume of that crystal dry moon
with its oddly monochromatic pastel gray dust that always clumped
perfectly for terrific surface tension. In fact, none of the
physically dark basalt bedrock of the moon was ever exposed.

So, do tell, as in our supposedly trustworthy NASA needs to start
sharing as to how the hell any observational flyover, that’ll likely

be a km or higher off the deck, is going to possibly disturb any of

our precious Apollo squat?

Just because most if not all of it was robotic, with no outward signs
of human activity, is really not a very good enough reason to keep
hiding the truth by way of heaping one excuse after another as to why
no another soul or their technology can be allowed to get anywhere
near those abandoned landing sites.

From the physically dark lunar surface, the Earth is obviously
appearing as way bigger than the sun, and its vibrant bluish tint/hue
plus IR can’t be so immeasurable as suggested by all things NASA/
Apollo. So, why would all handheld as well as tripod situated cameras
be configured so as to always exclude anything other than the moon?

Was there always something obscuring any FOV including the planet
Venus?

At least there are a few independently honest folks doing the right
thing, by preparing for the near future that’s taking at least some of
us off-world. Of course only they get to use their true ID, whereas
most others here as ZNR certified redneck FUD-masters that are usually
devout Semites or some other faith-based cloaked as Atheists and
politically independent, seldom if ever use their true Ids, and yet
not one soul of their kind is ever caught policing a damn thing of
their own kind. It’s a wonder we’re not deep into WW3.

Bigelow Poofs and China could establish a moon base in record time:
http://www.space.com/13331-china-space-race-moon-ownership-bigelow-ispcs.html

On Oct 23, 7:09 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We're being raped todayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJko-mP6w

don’t, and obviously all those with the right stuff throughout our
entire Apollo era didn’t have any clue. Perhaps it’s a wonder they
were even potty trained.)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/116214152295449083654/photos/photo/5649904389172460674

William Mook

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Oct 23, 2011, 8:54:29 PM10/23/11

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Brad,

Listen to yourself! You're attacking me and totally ignorant of how
to do a simple radiosity calculation.

TO PROVE YOUR POINT DO THE FOLLOWING:

Get a camera, attach it to a telescope. Point it at the moon, adjust
its exposure so that it takes a nice clear image of the moon. THEN -
without changing magnification or F-stop, point the telescope at
Venus, and see if you can take a picture that shows Venus when you're
looking straight at it.

You won't be able to do that.

Then, adjust the F-stop to see where Venus becomes visible.

Now, point the telescope with the NEW F-Stop setting back at the
Moon.

It will be over-exposed.

Do this. Then you will see why Venus wasn't (or won't be) visible
standing on the MUCH brighter surface of the Moon in broad sunlight.

William Mook

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Oct 23, 2011, 8:55:16 PM10/23/11

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Brad,

This has nothing to do with the film. It has to do with radiosity.

William Mook

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Oct 23, 2011, 8:58:17 PM10/23/11

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Brad,

Here's the real problem;

Geo-engineering going on right now -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzW5Kb8u0Og

They're using GNA and not doing as I suggested of using a planar array
of material that is cut and folded - to avoid interference with DNA.
That's because they DESIRED interference to re-program our DNA.

They'll be ready by 2012.

So, this is what we're fighting right now.

Everything else is secondary.

Brad Guth

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Oct 23, 2011, 9:17:44 PM10/23/11

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On Oct 23, 5:58 pm, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad,
>
> Here's the real problem;
>

> Geo-engineering going on right now -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzW5Kb8u0Og

>
> They're using GNA and not doing as I suggested of using a planar array
> of material that is cut and folded - to avoid interference with DNA.
> That's because they DESIRED interference to re-program our DNA.
>
> They'll be ready by 2012.
>
> So, this is what we're fighting right now.
>
> Everything else is secondary.

So how many mainstream publications are publishing this investigative
research that you and others have uncovered?

How about "Mother Jones", as they'll publish damn near anything
(especially when it's true)

Brad Guth

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Oct 23, 2011, 9:52:20 PM10/23/11

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Obviously you've never taken a real photograph using film, whereas I
most certainly have, as well as having developed film and enlarged
that FOV image all the way to seeing individual grains of that film.
Trust me, it's not rocket science, but obviously it's a science of
skill and expertise that's entirely over your big head.

Pixel per pixel, or grain per grain, that paramagnetic basalt moon is
a physically dark asteroid or planetoid, with an average full-moon
reflectivity rating of 7%. In other words our moon absorbs 83% of the
visual spectrum, though absorbing 99.9% of the solar UV, but otherwise
it's not very good at absorbing IR.

If it was half as reflective as you claim we'd have to wear
moonglasses and take care not to get moonburned without a sufficient
application of moonblock (aka same as sunblock)

Get yourself a new grip on yourself before pretending to know anything
about this issue. This may require some actual reading comprehension,
so that kind of eliminates any sort of positive/constructive outcome
on your part. As is, if you took a test in photography-101, you'd get
an "F" or a test score of 0.0

Don't even try to bullshit your way out of this one.

William Mook

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Oct 24, 2011, 9:12:25 AM10/24/11

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Take a photo of the moon - and without changing the settings - take a
photo of Venus.

What do you get?

If youcan take a picture of Venus like that - post it - with an
explanation.

* * * *

You are being altered today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzW5Kb8u0Og

This is the most important thing - everything else is secondary.

Brad Guth

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Oct 24, 2011, 12:48:13 PM10/24/11

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Are you actually that easily snookered?

Are you really less smart than a dysfunctional 5th grader?

You have previously stipulated that you can't actually compare images
nor interpret any image taken by or provided by anyone, and yet you
now claim as being a world class expert in all things photography and
optics even though you haven't a clue as to there basics.

Your hidden but clearly devout believe that our government never lies
to us or otherwise misleads or applies FUD is also noted, as in LLPOF
noted. So, your FUD-master status cloak as William Mook is officially
blown. So what's new?

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Oct 24, 2011, 11:46:49 PM10/24/11

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I urge you to sit through it and take its findings seriously. Its the
most important thing that is happening today.

The reason I say that is because there are some experiments you can do
to invalidate what she is saying.

What got my attention is the video that shows particles flying at UV
light sources aimed at the sky at night. I thought - damn - that must
be a snowstorm mis-reported. That can't be right!

So,repeat the experment with the intention to invalidate the report.

I invite others to do the experiment.

There's shit flying around the sky

They're using GNA and PNA - along with engineered versions of natural
cells. That's a dumbass thing to do since it interferes with natural
systems. THis is considered a 'benefit' to the idiots that are doing
this want to change our genetic code.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rXizmLjegI

Self replicating systems they're using copy DNA - think of a zipper
unzipping - the tab on the zipper is helicase - and then each single
side of teeth gathering molecules out of solution with the help of
other molecules riding along the zipper - to create two copies where
one existed before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bee6PWUgPo8

Polymerase Chain Reaction is another similar technique - using cycling
temperatures to make copies of desired molecules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KoLnIwoZKU

My self-replicating systems don't use this sort of approach, primarily
due to concerns about the tiny systems getting into cells and
hybridizing natural DNA.

Like I said, the systems now out there are DESIGNED to reprogram out
cells. Which is exceedingly dangerous.

Which is why Gates and others funded Seed Banks a few years back.

The systems I've designed use sheets of molecules that bind together
very similar to PCR, but after the sheets separate, they fold into
complex functional units directly and don't f**k up the cells that are
out there.

I am now working on systems that will seek out and destroy the geo-
engineering systems already in our environment.

I don't know yet how to fix hybridized genes - but I'm working on that
problem as well.

Damned idiots

William Mook

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Oct 24, 2011, 11:52:22 PM10/24/11

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On Oct 24, 12:14 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <0c24f7b8-bcca-4284-9a0a-900b27f21519

> @p20g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

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> > On Oct 24, 6:12 am,WilliamMook<mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Take a photo of the moon - and without changing the settings - take a
> > > photo of Venus.
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> > > What do you get?
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> > > If youcan take a picture of Venus like that - post it - with an
> > > explanation.
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> > > * * * *
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> > > You are being altered today...
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> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzW5Kb8u0Og
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> > > This is the most important thing - everything else is secondary.
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> > Are you actually that easily snookered?
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> > Are you really less smart than a dysfunctional 5th grader?
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> > You have previously stipulated that you can't actually compare images
> > nor interpret any image taken by or provided by anyone, and yet you
> > now claim as being a world class expert in all things photography and
> > optics even though you haven't a clue as to there basics.
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> > Your hidden but clearly devout believe that our government never lies
> > to us or otherwise misleads or applies FUD is also noted, as in LLPOF

> > noted. So, your FUD-master status cloak asWilliamMookis officially

> > blown. So what's new?
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> > http://translate.google.com/#
> > Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?
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> And now you turn on brotherMook!
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> I love it, a real kookfeud.
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> --
> BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

Brad keeps insisting I don't understand basic optics. Yet, he refuses
to acknowledge simple radiosity calculations - and the fact that if
you set a camera to expose the moon properly, you won't see any stars,
and if you set a camera to take pictures of stars, you will overexpose
the moon.

Now this is from 240,000 miles away!!! Imagine being ON the moon!
You won't see stars at lunar day without taking care to sheild your
eyes from the glare of the surface.

I invite Brad to take a picture of the moon that has stars in it.

I wish the other stuff wasn't real. It isn't. I will be producing
some special laser/microwave 'pointers' that anyone can take point at
the sky and put on a cloud show. Pulling the veil off this self-
replicating machine geo-engineering shit that's going on.

Brad Guth

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Oct 25, 2011, 1:59:39 AM10/25/11

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The fact that you get some kind of thrill or comfort out of replying
to certified ZNR FUD-masters is proof that you need to recheck your
comprehension of whatever you consider valid science that can be
objectively replicated. Apparently a thousand examples of how those
NASA/Apollo era photos still do not add up to what that physically
dark, paramagnetic basalt and otherwise UV reactive moon of
metallicity has to offer, isn't my fault.

Of course it's entirely possible that our perpetrated cold-war era of
ARPA/DARPA and NASA has always been 100% trustworthy and holding
nothing back. What do you honestly think those odds are?

If I supplied my own secret technology and then 100% controlled the
gathering and processing of whatever science, plus having delayed
publishing such results for a couple weeks behind those closed
nondisclosure doors, would you believe all of it according to only my
interpretation? (because that's exactly what our NASA is asking of us,
to impliedly trust them regardless of whatever anyone else has to say)

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

BDK

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Oct 25, 2011, 10:18:06 AM10/25/11

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In article <20a14de4-4e3c-4a6a-b355-d0e28e859cd2
@t38g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, mokme...@gmail.com says...

Brad has some sort of fixation on the moon being "dark". I don't know,
or understand what it's all about, but then again, I don't understand
what he's raving about 99% of the time anyway...

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> I wish the other stuff wasn't real. It isn't. I will be producing
> some special laser/microwave 'pointers' that anyone can take point at
> the sky and put on a cloud show. Pulling the veil off this self-
> replicating machine geo-engineering shit that's going on.

Oh boy, now you go off the rails again....Back to kOOkY Mooky.

BDK

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Oct 25, 2011, 10:19:06 AM10/25/11

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In article <d9b002d3-be67-45e7-91f1-3e6f5aee4940
@s32g2000prj.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?

Secret technology? BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Oct 25, 2011, 7:13:49 PM10/25/11

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We've got greater problems than that - tons of self-replicating
synthetic life is being dumped into the air every day - capable of
reprograming our DNA. So this is of paramount importance.

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Oct 26, 2011, 2:44:46 PM10/26/11

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On Oct 25, 4:19 pm, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad
>
> Look at this documentwww.occ.treas.gov/topics/capital-markets/financial.../dq210.pdf
>

Actually, their crimes against humanity are somewhat worse than

treason, and their punishment should fit those crimes. Of course the

mostly faith-based mainstream status-quo authority that's mostly
dominated by Semites thinks everything is operating exactly as it
should, and they see nothing the least bit wrong with their
obfuscation and denial, especially when it usually makes them look
especially good and others look bad.

William Mook

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Oct 26, 2011, 11:04:17 PM10/26/11

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Oct 27, 2011, 1:53:55 PM10/27/11

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On Oct 26, 8:15 pm, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I believe our present leaders are not working in our best
> interest.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3R_wYHbkjs
>
> Clark says it clearly. There was a coup in the USA on 9/11.
>
> The 1991 plan Clark discusses extends from the 1904 plan by HJ
> Mackinder the views conflict as inevitable.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History
>
> Henry Clay worked with the same engineers that built the US
> transcontinental rail roads in the 1880s to design a global rail
> network that assumes cooperation is inevitable. This changes
> radically Mackinder's assumptions and instills the basis of long-term
> cooperation.
>

> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/maps/landbridge_maps/Worldr...

>
> Libya's plans for Africa extended far beyond the development of
> Libya. Libya's plans were based on Henry Clay's original ideas of
> water development and rail development to transform the Sahara desert
> into a larger version of California's farming system based on
> irrigation of a desert.
>
> I have updated this plan using my ultra-low-cost solar panel
> technology. Adding hydrogen distribution pipelines to the rail-lines
> which also provide cryogenic cooling of superconductor magnets.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6397751668472829544
>
> Libya's Plans cost the country $33 billion over 30 years. A large
> fraction of its oil revenue.
>
> It was destroyed in a matter of months by NATO bombing campaign.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-cDezY3cTY
>
> Henry Clay's plans were to unite the world. I've updated these plans
> with my solar energy systems for Africa. This cost $600 billion.
> Less than the TARP bailout. Rail and solar power distribution for
> Africa sets the stage for agriculture on irrigated lands in the
> Sahara. This produces enough food for 21 billion people.
>
> The world's financial institutions have since 1999 repeal of Glass
> Steagal Act issued over $600 TRILLION in phoney derivative debt
> against approximately $40 trillion in real financial assets, essential
> bankrupting the world.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ezoOLR9bes

So, when are those corrected/revised history textbooks for K12s coming
out?

K12s are still not allowed to even read Usenet/newsgroup topics, much
less interact by contributing their questions and sharing their
interpretations. Most K12s don't even realize Google Groups allows
access to these Usenet/newsgroups, because their versions of the
Google main index page blocks and/or intentionally excludes any direct
menu access or searchable links to these Usenet/newsgroups. For them
it's kind of like Nazi Germany, and our mainstream media as well as
state and federal government thinks it's quite funny.

Our K12s are essentially kept Usenet/newsgroup illiterate if not
simply mainstream snookered and dumbfounded past the point of no
return. As Jewish oligarchs and Rothschilds would say; such a deal.

BDK

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Oct 27, 2011, 10:25:56 PM10/27/11

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In article <baf12498-0460-4624-b32b-
a46656...@e5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, brad...@gmail.com says...

> Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / ?Guth Usenet?

BWHAHAHAH! A1 kookrant, Brad. Nice job.

William Mook

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Oct 28, 2011, 3:36:17 AM10/28/11

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On Oct 27, 1:25 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <1e2cf19c-98ca-4e45-9419-a5452226bd13

> @v33g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...

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> > BDK: Check out these references.
>
> > Synthetic Life
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10132762
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> Yeah, I saw it before.
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> > Geo-Engineering

> >http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-government-is-already-geo-engineering...

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> And then you post nonsense from a kooksite.
>
> Why am I not stunned by your actions?
>
> Because it's the typical pattern.
>
> --
> BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

Calling someone a name is not substitute for a truly critical
analysis.

William Mook

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Oct 28, 2011, 3:36:44 AM10/28/11

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On Oct 27, 1:27 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <aeda432d-8bfb-498d-926a-47e7dd33d976

> @j15g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...

>
>
>
> > Yes, I believe our present leaders are not working in our best
> > interest.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3R_wYHbkjs
>
> > Clark says it clearly. There was a coup in the USA on 9/11.
>
> Did you actually listen to what he said? Apparently not.
>
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> > The 1991 plan Clark discusses extends from the 1904 plan by HJ
> > Mackinder the views conflict as inevitable.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History
>
> > Henry Clay worked with the same engineers that built the US
> > transcontinental rail roads in the 1880s to design a global rail
> > network that assumes cooperation is inevitable. This changes
> > radically Mackinder's assumptions and instills the basis of long-term
> > cooperation.
>

> >http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/maps/landbridge_maps/Worldr...

Yes I did.

William Mook

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Oct 28, 2011, 3:40:46 AM10/28/11

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On Oct 27, 10:25 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <baf12498-0460-4624-b32b-
> a46656842...@e5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

BDK thinks calling names is the same as critical analysis.

Here's something that flies in the face of my prejudices on this
subject, but given

a) the abject lack of progress since the 1960s,
b) the revelation of the horrific history of NASA,
c) the total silence from NASA on this subject,
d) the history of fraud from NASA and its contractors,

it is something that must be taken seriously.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MalYSn_qIU4

BDK

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Oct 28, 2011, 1:15:06 PM10/28/11

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In article <b7869742-e438-426c-b5dd-
89926b...@u13g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, mokme...@gmail.com says...

Sometimes, a kOOk is just a kOOk, and nothing more really needs to be
said.

BDK

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Oct 28, 2011, 1:15:36 PM10/28/11

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In article <59f0e84b-005d-46c9-bad5-
427760...@v33g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, mokme...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Oct 27, 1:27ï¿œpm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> > In article <aeda432d-8bfb-498d-926a-47e7dd33d976
> > @j15g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yes, I believe our present leaders are not working in our best
> > > interest.
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3R_wYHbkjs
> >

> > > Clark says it clearly. ï¿œThere was a coup in the USA on 9/11.

> >
> > Did you actually listen to what he said? Apparently not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > The 1991 plan Clark discusses extends from the 1904 plan by HJ
> > > Mackinder the views conflict as inevitable.
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History
> >
> > > Henry Clay worked with the same engineers that built the US
> > > transcontinental rail roads in the 1880s to design a global rail

> > > network that assumes cooperation is inevitable. ï¿œThis changes

> > > radically Mackinder's assumptions and instills the basis of long-term
> > > cooperation.
> >
> > >http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/maps/landbridge_maps/Worldr...
> >
> > > Libya's plans for Africa extended far beyond the development of

> > > Libya. ï¿œLibya's plans were based on Henry Clay's original ideas of

> > > water development and rail development to transform the Sahara desert
> > > into a larger version of California's farming system based on
> > > irrigation of a desert.
> >
> > > I have updated this plan using my ultra-low-cost solar panel

> > > technology. ï¿œAdding hydrogen distribution pipelines to the rail-lines

> > > which also provide cryogenic cooling of superconductor magnets.
> >
> > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6397751668472829544
> >

> > > Libya's Plans cost the country $33 billion over 30 years. ï¿œA large

> > > fraction of its oil revenue.
> >
> > > It was destroyed in a matter of months by NATO bombing campaign.
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-cDezY3cTY
> >

> > > Henry Clay's plans were to unite the world. ï¿œI've updated these plans
> > > with my solar energy systems for Africa. ï¿œThis cost $600 billion.
> > > Less than the TARP bailout. ï¿œRail and solar power distribution for

> > > Africa sets the stage for agriculture on irrigated lands in the

> > > Sahara. ï¿œThis produces enough food for 21 billion people.

> >
> > > The world's financial institutions have since 1999 repeal of Glass
> > > Steagal Act issued over $600 TRILLION in phoney derivative debt
> > > against approximately $40 trillion in real financial assets, essential
> > > bankrupting the world.
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ezoOLR9bes
> >
> > --
> > BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
>
> Yes I did.

Then you really didn't get it.

BDK

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Oct 28, 2011, 1:18:56 PM10/28/11

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In article <ff93a893-7d17-4187-be83-55aeba314e48
@j36g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, mokme...@gmail.com says...

Critical analysis? Where? When?

>
> Here's something that flies in the face of my prejudices on this
> subject, but given
>
> a) the abject lack of progress since the 1960s,

And a lack of budget.

> b) the revelation of the horrific history of NASA,

Revalation? About what? What are you claiming was hidden?

> c) the total silence from NASA on this subject,

Sometimes, keeping quiet and a straight face is fine.

This is an interesting commentary Brad. So, do you believe we went to
the moon? or not?

I have mentioned I have a very strong prejudice toward the belief that
we went to the moon.

Unfortunately, that is only a prejudice and a belief based on my
indoctrination at this point.

William Mook

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Oct 28, 2011, 7:30:18 PM10/28/11

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On Oct 28, 1:15 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <59f0e84b-005d-46c9-bad5-
> 4277607fc...@v33g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...

>
>
>
>
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> > On Oct 27, 1:27 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> > > In article <aeda432d-8bfb-498d-926a-47e7dd33d976
> > > @j15g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...
>
> > > > Yes, I believe our present leaders are not working in our best
> > > > interest.
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3R_wYHbkjs
>

> > > > Clark says it clearly. There was a coup in the USA on 9/11.

>
> > > Did you actually listen to what he said? Apparently not.
>
> > > > The 1991 plan Clark discusses extends from the 1904 plan by HJ
> > > > Mackinder the views conflict as inevitable.
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History
>
> > > > Henry Clay worked with the same engineers that built the US
> > > > transcontinental rail roads in the 1880s to design a global rail

> > > > network that assumes cooperation is inevitable. This changes

> > > > radically Mackinder's assumptions and instills the basis of long-term
> > > > cooperation.
>
> > > >http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/maps/landbridge_maps/Worldr...
>
> > > > Libya's plans for Africa extended far beyond the development of

> > > > Libya. Libya's plans were based on Henry Clay's original ideas of

> > > > water development and rail development to transform the Sahara desert
> > > > into a larger version of California's farming system based on
> > > > irrigation of a desert.
>
> > > > I have updated this plan using my ultra-low-cost solar panel

> > > > technology. Adding hydrogen distribution pipelines to the rail-lines

> > > > which also provide cryogenic cooling of superconductor magnets.
>
> > > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6397751668472829544
>

> > > > Libya's Plans cost the country $33 billion over 30 years. A large

> > > > fraction of its oil revenue.
>
> > > > It was destroyed in a matter of months by NATO bombing campaign.
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-cDezY3cTY
>

> > > > Henry Clay's plans were to unite the world. I've updated these plans
> > > > with my solar energy systems for Africa. This cost $600 billion.
> > > > Less than the TARP bailout. Rail and solar power distribution for

> > > > Africa sets the stage for agriculture on irrigated lands in the

> > > > Sahara. This produces enough food for 21 billion people.

>
> > > > The world's financial institutions have since 1999 repeal of Glass
> > > > Steagal Act issued over $600 TRILLION in phoney derivative debt
> > > > against approximately $40 trillion in real financial assets, essential
> > > > bankrupting the world.
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ezoOLR9bes
>
> > > --
> > > BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
>
> > Yes I did.
>
> Then you really didn't get it.
>
> --
> BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

Yes I did. You're the one who missed it dude.

William Mook

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On Oct 28, 1:15 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <b7869742-e438-426c-b5dd-
> 89926b6a8...@u13g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...

Right, why provide real substantive data to support yourself when a
name can be called? lol.

You're the kook dude, I guess you know that deep inside, which
explains your fascination with the name calling.

Sorry really.

Good luck with all that.

William Mook

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Oct 28, 2011, 7:47:15 PM10/28/11

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On Oct 28, 1:18 pm, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> In article <ff93a893-7d17-4187-be83-55aeba314e48
> @j36g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, mokmedi...@gmail.com says...

NASA's connection to MK-ULTRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo0md9ZhKNw

>
> > c) the total silence from NASA on this subject,
>
> Sometimes, keeping quiet and a straight face is fine.

Sometimes not - 3:40 on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb6ftx8LLws

> > d) the history of fraud from NASA and its contractors,
>
> Oh, where, who, and when?

Are you looking for a complete list? Or merely representative list?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41793329/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/nasa-fraud-ex-prof-guilty-pilfering-millions/#.Tqs-K3H823I

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/NASA-contractor-faces-fraud-charge-over-space-2078508.php

http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110113_9988.php

http://co2insanity.com/2011/05/13/fake-sea-level-rise-approved-by-nasa-in-climate-fraud/

>
>
> > it is something that must be taken seriously.
>
> > Part 1
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic
>
> > Part 2
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MalYSn_qIU4
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHA! Really? BWHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> Wow.

I hear if you break the pills in half, and take one before and one
after a meal, you won't have these outbursts.

Good luck with that.

Brad Guth

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Oct 28, 2011, 9:15:28 PM10/28/11

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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41793329/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/na...
>
> http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/NASA-contractor-faces...
>
> http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20110113_9988.php
>
> http://co2insanity.com/2011/05/13/fake-sea-level-rise-approved-by-nas...

>
>
>
> > > it is something that must be taken seriously.
>
> > > Part 1
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic
>
> > > Part 2
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MalYSn_qIU4
>
> > BWHAHAHAHAHA! Really? BWHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> > Wow.
>
> I hear if you break the pills in half, and take one before and one
> after a meal, you won't have these outbursts.
>
> Good luck with that.

BDK doesn't understand anything you our I have to say. There are
dysfunctional 5th graders smarter than BDK.

Brad Guth

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Oct 28, 2011, 9:48:10 PM10/28/11

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On Oct 28, 4:28 pm, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 28, 4:29 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 28, 10:21 am, William Mook <mokmedi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If anyone has films of the lunar module descent and ascent engines
> > > test firing I would appreciate a pointer to it. The 'Dark Mission'
> > > film claims the ascent from the moon would have had a visible red
> > > exhaust given the propellants.
>
> > > Like this;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALKvai4p7OE
>
> > > And the landing would have had a billowing smoke cloud like this;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y_x5QliKT4
>
> > > I just wanted to see any video of the actual Ascent/Descent engine
>
> > In such an absolute vacuum, the only significant exhaust color(s)
> > would have been in IR, unless looking nearly directly into their
> > rocket nozzle.
>
> Engines don't work that way Brad. Things generally go in one
> direction out the engine, to get good thrust in the other direction.
>
> The RCS is a hydrazine mono-propellant, and has a relatively clean
> exhaust, yet it is clearly visible (and clearly heard) on the Space
> Shuttle;
>
> STS-124 RCShttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ACrdk7vsMk
>

> STS-134 RCShttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzTUcRdqkas

>
> Something you don't want to hear from your mission commander -
> Negative Z is up right?
>

> STS-118 RCShttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ewbD2Pv5ag

>
> The hypergolic bi-propellant used on the Lunar Module Ascent and
> Descent Engines produces a red cloud of smoke like the Titan rocket
>
> Titanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-9pwtk0ZWU
>

> Geminihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em5kgHdh6Tw

>
> Red smoke comes from the reaction products.
>
> Red smoke would come from the operation of the Lunar Module Engines.
>

> Lunar Ascenthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOdzhQS_MMw

We went to the moon, but so far there's still nothing objective
proving that we walked on that physically dark, paramagnetic and anti-
cathode reactive moon. We have to take only the word of NASA/Apollo
or accept whatever from their trusty army of public funded brown-nosed
clowns and minions that have their motives, means and opportunity to
do exactly as expected of them, or else.

If you elect to believe most anything and everything our government
with agencies that brought us and sustained their bogus cold-war and
the likes of whatever their 9/11 and TWA flight 800 investigations had
to say, then I simply can't possibly top that one. Once again the
usual 1000:1 ratio seems to applies, whereas I have to prove 100% of
everything that's phony or bogus about whatever, and then they only
have to find 0.1% of anything I've mistaken or flubbed in order to
disqualify my 100%.

You really do need to work on figuring out which side you are on,
because you are currently 99.9% on the side of whatever our government
and its agencies have to say, even though it's systematically keeping
you down and out, as well as in hiding yourself from our reality.
Perhaps for income tax and a few other reasons is why you can't risk
staying in the US. Lucky you can afford multiple offshore homes.

Brad Guth

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HVAC is only here to screw with you and most everyone else, and once
again and again you get hooked and suckered in. Doesn't say much for
your supposed intelligence, does it?