Stats: PHP...
Anthony Ritter
history and where it's going.
From surfing on the 'net, it seems that there is a fair amount of sites from
Europe, the UK, Australia, etc. using both PHP, mysql and Linux as opposed
to US sites - in general - which still use Perl, ColdFusion or ASP as server
side scripts.
1. Why is it that the majority of American sites are not savvy to PHP since
it is both open source and free along with it being written as a language
for the web?
Or, is that since PHP, Linux and mysql were all developed in Europe, there
was already a strong user base to begin and with it a lot of documentation
in the way of tutorials and classes in schools and universities.
The other two questions..
2. Is there any way of gauging - kind of like a browser stat - of what the
percentage of websites being used today using PHP vs. ASP vs. Perl etc.
would be as their server side language?
And 3....where are the majority of PHP driven sites located. Meaning what
is the percentage of sites using PHP in the United States vs. ASP, Perl,
etc.
Thank you and happy holidays to all...
Tony Ritter
Anthony Ritter
Vista - scanned for PHP, ASP and CF sites and they came back with the
following from a October 2000 survey:
Alta Vista:
ASP 74%
PHP 4%
CF 21%
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Northern Light
ASP 73%
PHP 13%
CF 13%
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CJ Llewellyn
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Whithin the past 6 months I've added PHP to the list of languages that I
develop in. I'm an American. For the past 5 years I've been working with
ASP. So I have a good grasp of both ends. I've also done CF in a
maintenance mode.
Here's what I think:
1. Why is it that the majority of American sites are not savvy to PHP ...
Microsoft came in just at the right time with Windows NT4. At the time a
lot of companies were webifying there business they were looking for
something that did what they needed and that wouldn't take a lot of time.
IT departments in the US are just as crowded for time as any other. They
didn't have time to train or develop in UNIX. Microsoft also has good
advertisting and IT director are often influenced more by a floating
butterfly and the promise of stability than a text report that compares
different systems side by side. So Microsoft won the first round.
But that's changing, my company is switching to Linux (Redhat to be
specific) and we are on an accelerated migration path for all our systems.
Even the desktop machines will get Linux (although at this point we're
looking at Mandrake for those machines)
2. Go to PHP.net. They keep pretty good ideas of how much they're growing.
And they are...quite quickly I'm happy to see.
3. I don't honestly know. I do know that major companies are investing big
time to switch from ASP to PHP for a lot of reasons. But I also know that
MS .NET is a solid improvement over the NT4 technology and that a lot of
companies are jumping on that band-wagon. Perl? It's going to always be
around when PHP and ASP don't give you what you need. I don't even put Perl
in the same class of "Web Programming Language" Perl is better grouped with
C and other base languages. So it's not very fair to say that Perl is only
used in say 5% of websites because that 5% may be sites that couldn't use
PHP or ASP for some reason.
Now I have a question since I've answered yours if you would be so kind.
What impact does Microsoft have over there? How are they viewed? Is it
unusual to see an IT department running Windows? Are most IT people UNIX
trained? The US couldn't escape the "Microsoft is easy and we have good
advertising" shit. Did Europe?
Rob Madole
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CJ Llewellyn
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>What impact does Microsoft have over there? How are they viewed? Is it
>unusual to see an IT department running Windows? Are most IT people UNIX
>trained? The US couldn't escape the "Microsoft is easy and we have good
>advertising" shit. Did Europe?
Novell was the largest implemented server system before NT 4. Then
Microsoft started there advertising campaign to get everyone to
switch.
Suddenly everyone was overtaken by the cost benefits of a single OS
stratergy. They handed M$ a virtual monopoly and now they are just
beginning to count the cost.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_1710000/1710589.stm
Matt Durell
on Sat, 15 Dec 2001 20:29:10 GMT
'CJ Llewellyn' issued the following statement:
>On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:57:17 -0600, "news.newsfeeds.com"
><r...@intruos.com> typed with two fingers:
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>>What impact does Microsoft have over there? How are they viewed? Is it
>>unusual to see an IT department running Windows? Are most IT people UNIX
>>trained? The US couldn't escape the "Microsoft is easy and we have good
>>advertising" shit. Did Europe?
>
>Novell was the largest implemented server system before NT 4. Then
>Microsoft started there advertising campaign to get everyone to
>switch.
>
>Suddenly everyone was overtaken by the cost benefits of a single OS
>stratergy. They handed M$ a virtual monopoly and now they are just
>beginning to count the cost.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_1710000/1710589.stm
and http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23413.html
basically, as CJ says, M$ have had a stranglehold over both public and
private sectors in the UK for many years, and people are just starting
to realise that there _might_ actually be an alternative... how much
of this is just scare tactics to put the frighteners on M$ to reduce
their bulk licencing costs i don't know, but at least it's a move in
the right direction.
i don't think there's much difference in the deployment of M$/non-M$
systems between the US and Europe, the pattern has been fairly uniform
as far as i can see.
as for UK 'IT people', my personal experience is the unfortunate one
that _most_ of them think that computers only do what uncle bill lets
them do.
m.
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CJ Llewellyn
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>as for UK 'IT people', my personal experience is the unfortunate one
>that _most_ of them think that computers only do what uncle bill lets
>them do.
No, you need to investigate further.
M$ told people that, if they had a single OS their TCO (total cost of
ownership) would drop dramatically.
The fact that M$ has proved to be totally hackable (attackable!) has
raised the cost of ownership.
M$ has promoted the concept of Engineer Certification, ie, to qualify
for the exam, you have to convince people that not talking about
security problems is the best way to avoid hackers attacking your
network.
Then M$ declares your skills out of date, and you have to recertify.
This is increasing the TCO, and more to the point, people have taken
on board that one OS stratergy is good.
This ignores best fit stratagem.
If your salesman does 30,000 miles a year visiting clients, do you
give him a Vaxhall (GM/Opel) Corsa, or an Omega? (big fuck off
expensive car - limo for the Uk market)?
At 30,000 miles you want to ensure that your salesman does endure any
physical discomfort.
Now this story did have a serious point, anybody care to explain it to
me?
Oh yeah, best fit stratergy.
Linux is also very good at the same things that NT is good at, and
Novell neglected to their cost.
You can develop software for NT and the same OS that it will run on.
The same goes for Linux, but with one big benefit. You can then move
your code from Linux to say AIX or Solaris, with little or no effort.
Try that with windos!
well good night from me
Matt Durell
on Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:45:52 GMT
'CJ Llewellyn' issued the following statement:
>On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:03:14 +0000, Matt Durell
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>
>-snip-
>
>>as for UK 'IT people', my personal experience is the unfortunate one
>>that _most_ of them think that computers only do what uncle bill lets
>>them do.
>
>No, you need to investigate further.
oh.... _must_ i?
[snip]
>The fact that M$ has proved to be totally hackable (attackable!) has
>raised the cost of ownership.
good point... obvious, but good ;-)
[snip]
>Now this story did have a serious point, anybody care to explain it to
>me?
i'm thinking you've had a drink tonight cj.. you're not usually this
informal ;-)
m.
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>i'm thinking you've had a drink tonight cj.. you're not usually this
>informal ;-)
You might just be right about that.
Matt Durell
on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:34:58 GMT
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>>i'm thinking you've had a drink tonight cj.. you're not usually this
>>informal ;-)
>
>You might just be right about that.
welcome :)
Rob Madole
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> 'CJ Llewellyn' issued the following statement:
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> >On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 01:18:46 +0000, Matt Durell
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> >>i'm thinking you've had a drink tonight cj.. you're not usually this
> >>informal ;-)
> >
> >You might just be right about that.
>
> welcome :)
>
I'm starting to wonder if Miscrosoft has any fans anywhere anymore.
One note about the "totally hackable" comment. When the NIMDA virus hit my
company that was the turning point for me. It completely killed one
NT4/IIS4 server that had about 200 websites on it, a lot of them high avail.
commerce sites. I was VERY pissed at Microslut for about a week.
For us, money hasn't been the KEY factor of operating. We wanted software
that would do the job.
Now we find out that it won't do the job. It has cost us time and support
money, and MS is clenching down on liscensing for software that doesn't
provide you with an equal value to what you're going to have to pay.
So screw em. I'd like to shove one of those big expensive wireless mice up
billy-boy'z ass. Why wireless? Because it's harder to pull out :)
CJ Llewellyn
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>billy-boy'z ass. Why wireless? Because it's harder to pull out :)
Nice one ;-)
Alec Horn
timely manner.
Alec
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